Tommy John The Naked Truth

(0:08 - 0:31) All right, everybody, welcome to Here for the Truth, episode 12. Today we have Tommy John, aka NakedTJ. Tommy John is a performance coach and perpetual student and the leading unapologetic voice across the globe in the medical freedom movement of today. (0:31 - 0:58) A former professional athlete and published author, Tommy is both scholar and teacher, patient and facilitator, private and general. He owns and operates the Tommy John Performance and Healing Center in San Diego, and with over 20 years of clinical experience, he's impacted countless lives with his proven way to live, utilizing the eight essentials to performance and healing. A system for harnessing action, steps to adapt and thrive in this lifetime. (0:59 - 1:22) At the core of his work, his patients relearn what it is to be truly sovereign and free within their bodies. Forgiven these liberties, the body self-heals, regenerates and holds the power to cure itself from anything, to actualize any vision, dream or desire, but we must be free. Wow, love it, and I agree. Tommy John, welcome. Thanks, gentlemen. I appreciate it. (1:23 - 1:27) Yeah, man. Are you based in SoCal? San Diego. Encinitas. (1:27 - 1:31) Cool, man. I'm in Topanga Canyon. I'm right outside of Los Angeles. (1:32 - 1:49) Beautiful, beautiful. Well, man, tell us. Why are you here for the truth? Why am I here for the truth? You know one of those times where you're like, you both drank at the same time. (1:50 - 1:54) Something's going on. You guys are both like something. You both sipped at the same time. (1:55 - 5:15) It's that LA-Sydney connection, I think. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I've been questioning why we're born at this time, why we're seeing what we're seeing, right? Like why I went through what I went through. I mean, when you start to analyze and pull apart every little thing that you've ever gone through, you really can pull the curtain back, so to speak, on your parents, pull the curtain back on your schools, pull the curtain back on your priests and youth group directors, pull the curtain back on colleges and education systems and food and, you know, especially, you know, medicine. And then I fortunately had, it's just not random, the people you bump into. I'm wearing my brother on my forearm right now. He was in the allopathic psychiatric fucked up model of that, and I got to train his psychiatrist. So I got to pick the brain of an allopathic psychiatrist. You want to know how fucked up that world is? Like there's things that I can't unhear. And there's things that I've seen that it's like, okay, why am I hearing this? Why am I going through this? Why am I? And I can't deny it. I can't be quiet. I can't. And at first it was just have a successful practice, help as many people as you can. And as a benefit, you'll get whatever you give through, you know, and I'm totally fine. You don't even think about it. It just keeps coming. Okay. Then I publish a book under the guise of youth sports injury epidemics, but it's really like a complete life survival guide for all families, like everyone in the family, if they did it right, because if you want healthy kids, the parents have to be healthy. It's just the way it is. And so then all of a sudden, now my book can get to people's homes without having to come see me. So that made me feel better. And then all the shit goes, the biggest fairy tale ever told in the history of mankind in 2020. And now I'm like, okay, what's my role? And for a little while there, I was with the health freedom for humanity group until they got rid of me or asked me to step down because my posts were too aggressive. And they were upsetting a female doctor in the group. And she was having meetings about me wanting to keep me quiet and saying I was pulling people apart and all this other shit. So I was like, ready to give in everything I had to expose and, and not even expose the other side, or if you even want to think sides, but I really went and dove in deep, because I've seen freedom platforms, just disgusting. I've seen allopathic, holistic, naturopathic, medical doctors, disgusting. I've seen trainers, physical therapists, grasping technique, massage therapists, nutritionists, disgusting. I've seen schools disgusting, like, there's just so much disgusting all over the place. I'm like, what the hell? Who do I interview? What do I do? Like, what's my mission? And I think you guys have seen my whole thing. I'm just like, fuck it, I'm just literally going to post my hot, like the things I do on the daily reg, the things I do to put myself in the best position possible to be the strongest, most resilient, connected human that I can each day in each day out. And if I do that, that's my service to society. Like, that's my ultimate service is to be a better version of myself today than I was yesterday. If I want to protest, I damn well better be a fucking healthy protester. If I want to talk about masks, then I got to come home and be healthier than I was yesterday. (5:15 - 8:02) But I'm not gonna bark about masks, bark about protesting, bark about germ theory, bark about, you know, interview whoever, and then continue to just spiral down in this devolved state that we are as a nation in America, and then globally. So I think it was just really, what could I do to just, and then it turned into this inspiration. Everyone's just like, you have not stopped this entire time. And truthfully, I'm like, God, really, what I'm doing is just now just louder living my life. But I've always just lived this way. And it was like, oh, did you change because of the, you know, the pandemic in quotes? I'm like, no, I just lived harder during this time, you know, and I feel like there's truth in that if we're, if we're talking like capital T, I feel like there's a truth because if, if everything it is to be a human right now is being threatened, our belief system, our spirituality, our purpose, our connection with each other, our relationships, our sleep, our outdoor exposure, our belief in ourselves, our nourishment, our movements, everything, everything's being checked, then what's the greatest protest? I stole this from Sarah G. He said, be the healthiest version of yourself. I'm like, damn, that's pretty rad right there. And that that doesn't matter what's going on around us. If we all just did that would be pretty, pretty good. At least the decisions will be a little more clear. Nothing's gonna be easy, but it'd be clear what we're supposed to do, where we're supposed to go, who we're supposed to be with while we're doing it. So yeah, man, dude, I'm on the same page there in terms of how I live my life. And I think the I think this this pandemic has highlighted who we really are, you know, and so when people come up to you, and they're like, well, are you just started doing all this? No, I was but you know, life circumstances, it's like that pressure that builds it then causes us to be like, no, my realness is going to come forth on a whole nother level. And the other thing that I love that what you said is because, you know, charity starts at home, man, and a lot of ways you got it, you got to handle you got to handle this. I don't know two by two fucking square area of, of you, you know, because most people they, they're non selves that get absorbed by the crowd. They get absorbed by the crowd. And then they take on the identity of the crowd. And are they individuals, and this is something Joel and I talked a lot about in the show, like, what does even fucking mean to walk an authentic path? And authentic for you as an individual, like what you your authentic path may not be my fucking authentic path. And it's like, each person needs to really look in the mirror and ask themselves, like, well, what is it? What's my purpose, especially during a time like this, you know, I've had to come face to face, like, well, what is my mission? Well, you know, what can I do? What's my part, you know, and fucking part of it is even doing this podcast, you know, just like bringing people on and being like, yo, let's celebrate people who are doing what you're talking about. We may not all fucking agree on every single thing, but that would be fucking boring. If I was surrounded by 37 of you's or 37 of Joel's, I'd be so bored as fuck. (8:04 - 11:00) And like, that's why it's like, I just want to be an individual fully peel away the layers of conditioning peel away the lies, because, you know, something that's been real for me is this realization. And I think it's come, come to me over time. But like, almost every maybe every fucking thing that I was told is a fucking lie. I know, right? I mean, that's like the biggest trip, dude. Like everything. Yeah, all of it. And that's like, that's the dark side of the soul. And a lot of ways that come up where you have to just really face it. You know, what a cool what, like, I know you guys probably could answer this. Like I did a video in 2020 2020 is the greatest year of my life. Yeah. And everyone's like, what I'm like, but the the what I realized about myself what I realized about where I fit or what I'm supposed to do has become so much clearer. And the the work I've done for for myself has improved that my life has infinitely gotten better. And, and again, that right there, my awareness of holy shit, none of this stuff is even real. That's now every that's gonna wreck everybody's world who's not willing to do the work right where I was like, wait, this is amazing. All things are starting fresh. Fuck, let's go. Everything's done. There are no rules anymore. It's all starting fresh. Do you understand like what a huge opportunity this is for everybody to just literally, you want to start a business, you don't need a license, credentials or a degree, start just start, you want to start fresh and change your location, you want to start with your relationship, you want to get a fucking divorce. Like, I mean, everything is being exposed right now. There's such a, it could be one of the greatest times of our lives if we if we did it right, in my opinion. Yeah, man. I've told so many people 2020 was the greatest year of my life. And people look at me like I'm fucking tripping, you know, my wife, I know Topanga. I mean, we were kind of set up. We were living this quarantine life, whatever you want to fucking call it. We were just doing our thing, working from home, creating our life. And it was just like, all right. And like when this shit whole when this whole shit went down, it was like, Oh, this is the thing that I've been waiting for for decades of just reading things that's gonna Oh, so right. Okay. All right. Let's go. Let's see what happens. So yeah, that's cool, man. What a trip. I love it. Yeah, man. Kill him. Kill him with realness, bro. Because that's, that's exactly what it felt like when when this time happened, like you're right, man, all this all the structures, which we felt like were keeping us contained, they just started crumbling away, right? And yeah, that fucking sucks for the shape and the herd member that just was to fit in. But for the individual that has non negotiable morals, and non negotiable values is like, fuck, yeah, here I am. Let's go. Yeah, man. It's amazing. And, and I'm gonna be honest for me, like, I still have that part of me that has compassion for there's a lot of people that have fucking suffered during this process. You know, like, I don't want to lose sight of that when I'm just being like, yo, I'm fuck everything's great, because everything is great. (11:01 - 12:52) And, man, a lot of people, you know, have have suffered during this for whatever reasons. I mean, you can say they should have fucking just kept their business open. They didn't. I mean, there's so many factors at play. But all I know is, man, I'm grateful. I'm grateful to fucking be alive during this time. I'm grateful to be doing my fucking part. I have a quick question. Are you from the West Coast? Or did you grow up somewhere else? So I was born in Fullerton. When my dad was with the Dodgers. My dad was playing baseball for a while. He was with the LA Dodgers. I was born in Fullerton, then we moved to Jersey when he was with the Yankees, then back out to Anaheim. He's with the Angels, the A's, and then back out east in, like, fourth grade or third grade, and then we never came back. So it's almost like California. I came back when I was 37 to open my practice here. But it's almost like California was like, you know, I'll let you go, but you're going to be back. You just got to go discover. Oh, I asked that question because I was like, you got some East Coast in you. And I was born and raised in New Jersey, dude. So like, Oh, no way. Yeah, did Wayne, New Jersey, northern northern Passaic Bergen County area. I was Creskill. Okay. Yeah. I grew up in the diner business, man. I'm Greek. My dad had a had a fucking New Jersey diner for 35 years, man in Wayne, New Jersey, dude. So I don't know, there's just a little bit of an extra like umph with people that have spent a lot of time in the East Coast, man, a little bit more of a they say it real, I like loves New York City, because you'd walk down now, you might not like what somebody's gonna say to you. But it's the God's honest truth. It's just like, it was just like, up front in your face. I feel like I grew up in Jersey. And then we went to Florida and went everywhere. Everyone's like, Where'd you grow up? I'm like, I don't know the things that I held on. Like, I have more vivid memories of like, all over Tenafly. And, and, and, you know, on our bikes, and wiffle ball and going to friendlies and going to Yankees games. (12:52 - 14:47) And, like, there was, there was this, like, autonomous, like, reality. And then there was like, also bullying. And you could get your ass kicked. And you could, like, it was like, really cool. Like, there were some times where I was terrified, and I would get my ass kicked. And then I would go get better and stronger and come back and kick your ass on the baseball field or you know what I mean? There was like, it was like when life was real. And then things kind of kind of twist a little bit. But I have vivid vivid memories of Bergen County, and the GWB and crossing the bridge and going to Yankees games. And I mean, yeah, that's like a great man. Actually, I just went back to see my parents. I didn't see him in a bit. And then I brought them here to hang out for a few weeks. Nice. So yeah, dude, Jersey. I didn't like fucking Newark Airport. That's for sure. But no other conversation. No, my first beer was Jersey Shore. Oh, Jersey Shore. Yeah, I had a Fatweiser. Oh, shit, dude. Seventh grade. Seventh grade was my first beer on the Jersey Shore, like the boardwalk. I bet it was really hydrating. Did you have like, what's that rule? Did you have one glass of water in between every drink so you don't get hungover? Oh, no. So listen to this. So I so I was a binge drinker of the best, the worst kind of drink you could possibly do. And so it was college and later early professional years. And then when I was in pro ball and everything else, and we'd we'd go hard Friday, Saturday. Good. And then my brother in law played for the Chicago Bears for 16 years. So we go Bears games, I'd start drinking on the train down to the game. It was six, six beers on the hour and five minute train ride on the way down. I pissed at the Jimmy John's then go to the game, sit with my sister, drink like six tall, like 16 ounces. And then we go out to like five in the morning. And it was just like, headaches. (14:47 - 14:56) The headache would ruin you. Right? Like it was the headache. And I'm like, I could do this. It's just the headache. I'm like, there's got to be a thing. So here's, I want to just preface this. (14:56 - 15:21) I'm not suggesting you do this. I'm not medically trained at all. I'm not anything, whatever the fuck. But here's what I noticed. And I was batting 1000 with this bear with me. Okay, so it's more than a water. Okay. There's a point in time where the alcohol amount starts shifting to leaching fluid from your body. There's a point it's not like right off the start it there will be a point. (15:21 - 15:34) You determine this point by the color of your piss. As soon as your piss color turns clear, you're now in deficit. At that point, and this sounds so scientific, because I've run tests. (15:34 - 19:06) Okay. At that point, for every beer shot or glass of wine, you have to have like a, like a small pint glass of saltwater. It has to be saltwater and an air on the side of more salt like you can go a lot of fucking salt. But now here's the thing. For every drink after that point that you notice your urine turns color, you you have a beer, you have a pint of the saltwater, you have a shot pint of the saltwater, if you keep trading off, you can drink as much as you want. And you will not have a headache, you'll be groggy, but you won't have a headache. I did it 27 times. And I never had a headache. And then I let everybody know because people started watching me, I'd like be at this really great time, I go peel out, and we go dump a bunch of salt and crush a glass and come back. And I could go forever. I mean, I went to sailing school in the Keys. So there's like fucking rum runners with a floater on top of 151. And like, I would do every single one boom, core, a pint glass of saltwater. And then literally, my sister got on board, she would carry this like a little baggie, it looks like Coke. And it was like Himalayan salt, right? And he's like, clubs and bars down Chicago. But if you kept doing it, and you stayed with it, you were good. And then one night, I did a beer, I finished my beer, and I was sitting at the bar, and then shots come around, because everyone's celebrating. And I fucked, I forgot. And I like just took a shot. And I actually forgot, like, I didn't even realize. And then I went and did my water and kept going the next day, like a headache on like a three scale. And I was like, wait, why I haven't had a headache in like six months of binge drinking, like the worst kind of drinking you could possibly do. And so that was it. So I am a, again, if you desire to try it, go right ahead. There's there's healthier salts than others. I can't say it's healthy for your kidneys. But I will say that I was at Wrigley Field for some from some marathons. I was that Bears games, I was I was at, you know, day drinking to the max. And if you it's when your pee changes. And one time there was like, I was peeing, and it was like midstream. And it goes from yellow, yellow, yellow, and it goes to clear. And I'm like, well, and I would literally go right to the bar right to wherever, boom, saltwater. Welcome to here for the truth where you don't want to get drunk or hungover, not drunk, hungover. Listen to Tommy John, I'm promoting, I'm promoting a way to biohack. So you can be a binge drinker to the most. Yeah. So this is so random. I don't even know why I'm bringing this up. But maybe because it's free association, we're talking about piss. And like, and you just brought up the term biohacking, people are all talking about drinking their own piss. Like, what's your thoughts on that? Dude, so somebody asked me, Raleigh, the boy is a friend of mine, and he swears by it. Now, I do know. Ancient times, they swore by it, they would therapeutically use it in medicine regularly. I have no experience in it. So I can't and I'm an experiential person, I will not read a book, I will go do it. And I'll go do it for three to six months. And I'll pour myself into it and see what he tells me that that's my that's how I learned. And I can't speak about it, because I've never done it. And truthfully, anything I do is because I want to. Yeah. And I just don't want it doesn't sound like something for me. You know what I mean? If all of a sudden, I get a craving. And I'm like, I don't maybe I don't know. You know what I mean? I'll do it for sure. And I'll report my my findings. But I do know, historically, there's there's some pretty reputable societies who used it clinically. So I can't say anything about it, though. (19:06 - 19:53) You think there's anyone actually doing it that is craving their own urine? Like, man, this is urine, like, man, you know, if they like flip it, and they turn it into medicine, it's like, some of the herbs I'm taking is some of the things like, do I really crave it? Like, but I crave like the way it feels and what I know I'm allowing myself to do. Does that make sense? Like that? There was that. That's like this, not spin, but like the love of living. That's like, all right, I'm gonna do this. I think maybe like, I tried it once like years ago. And I didn't like the warmth, like the warmth of it. Yeah, it's coming right on my body. So like, maybe if I was making like an iced urine latte or something, maybe? Yeah, no, but for real, like, I don't know, it's it. I don't wake up in the morning and go like, I can't wait to drink my fucking piss. (19:53 - 19:56) I'm gonna try my urine. You know, I don't know. I don't know. (19:56 - 20:05) Well, I know people even put their, they've talked about how they put their semen, like in smoothies, because they want to replenish themselves. They don't want to Yeah, I have all that. But I don't know. (20:05 - 21:54) Again, another thing. I'm like, I don't know if I I will retain it. But I don't know about bringing it back in. Yeah, same here, man. Same here. But honestly, I'm not throwing it out. I just know, like, it'll speak to me. Like, I swear, I go on feel on everything. And if I feel it, I'll do it. And I will totally be transparent about it. But I just can't right now. It just doesn't seem like it's something I should do. Well, apparently, there's benefits post birth like placenta smoothies and the drug placenta pills. So it might be on a similar thing. Dude, I gotta I want to ask you, man, because like, you're such a scientist in the real essence of what of what science is. When did you discover that about yourself? Like we're wearing your upbringing, your childhood, you start realizing that, you know, my life is through experimentation. That's pretty, that's an awesome question. Um, I've always been, I was always shy, until I got to know people like I was quiet, and I'd stand on the outside because I just wanted to observe. I observed Mattingly stance, right? Like I observed, you know, Mike Pagliarulo, how he played third, like I would observe these guys and just observe, I wouldn't go ask that because I had access to Hey, could you show like, I would just observe, and then I'd mimic and I'd try. And so I think it started way way then in sports really, because everyone's like, Oh, your dad was a 26 year major league. I bet you had to pitch. I bet you had to throw like him. I bet you wouldn't know. I was just a kid for like 17 years, really. And then I got kind of got good, you know, but I would just mimic and imitate. And that I think is our biggest thing as children is we imitate what we're watching. So parents, you're not, you're not laying down rules, you're you're invoking these patterns by them watching you, they're watching everything you do. (21:55 - 29:33) And that I was one of those people. So I would observe, I'd observe teachers when nobody else was looking at them. Do you know what I mean? And you just pick up on stuff. And I was such a people watcher, and observer. And I was just fascinated by how everybody did stuff differently. And then it really took its toll because I got after my freshman year of college, I was invited to play in the Cape Cod League summer baseball program. And I had an infection in my shoulder from a dye injection just to see what achiness in my shoulder was going on and it got infected. So the hospital created an environment that my body was trying to survive for what they put me in, and it created this response. Well, while I was in PT, I started really observing what everyone was doing. And I would ask questions as to why they were having me do this. And they don't like that because they're just doing algorithmic shit. Nobody's thinking for themselves in there. It's just repeat, you know, your shoulder, you're this, you're this, you're this. So I started to really observe how everybody would respond differently. And then it really became, I had all these beliefs, you know, jogging is healthy, stretching is good, water and fat is bad. And, you know, icing injuries is effective and all these things. And then I get in with these two other guys, John McNulty and Vladimir Tregus. And we were working at a place called Synergy Fitness and Sports in Northern Chicago and Northern suburbs of Chicago. And I really, all those things that I had preconceived that I had learned and grown up on that I thought, like, oh, the Yankees do this. The Yankees take 16 Motrin throughout the day on start day. So I was taking 16 Motrin throughout the day as a sophomore in high school. Every day I'd start in a pitch, 16 fucking Motrin. Just so you didn't have to get them in your body, dude, get them into your body. You have to build up a tolerance, get it in, get it in. Not thinking that inflammation is a fucking good thing or a healing response, because that's not what, but again, my dad didn't know, we didn't know. And it wasn't like, it was just observe and go. So again, through that experiment, I fucked up, like, but I learned real quickly what NSAIDs can do and what this stuff can do. I was on Vioxx. Dr. Joe, who did my dad's surgery, wrote me a prescription for Vioxx from my first two professional seasons. Vioxx is black labeled. They took it off the shelves. I took that shit for like two seasons. So again, you want to find out like what's in the books, do it. Like just go take it and do it. And so we started pulling the curtain back on rehab and orthopedic. And I was seeing stuff that I was like, wait, nothing is true. Nothing we learned. And I had a bachelor's and master's, which meant nothing. I was a professional athlete. And I was like, this is not what's going on in pro sports. My brother-in-law was, again, is the bear's longest tenure bear of all time is my fucking brother-in-law. Every player they're coming to us. We were doing the opposite of what these organizations were doing. That's when I was like, oh, my fucking God. And now we started to experiment on using principles of nature that have been around forever. Groups around the world have been doing what we were doing, but America took it and spun it and made it this billion dollar thing to warp. I mean, and this was just orthopedics, guys. It wasn't even like psychiatry or cancer or vaccines or obstetrics, like having birth in America. There's like 20 other places you can survive the first five years of your life in a jungle is one of them over America. We're not good. And I'm just speaking about America. But still, that's when I think it kind of took shape is my curiosity as a kid. And then it got to this point where I had two people that support it, which helps that you have you have groups and we've roundtable. We do shit for like six months and then get together and talk about what we're feeling or measure things on ourselves. And we're like, wow, debunked, debunked, debunked. And now I'm 21 years in and I'm still learning and I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing. And I still like go back to children as being my I said, like a cat, a woman and an infant are my three like guides right now. And then before then, if I've exhausted those three and I still have the question, I'll possibly get to somebody else. But for right now, I'm going to go with those three. Like that, I think is that that that experimentation and again, I only knew it in my field, my area of focus. And then I met Dr. Cassie Huckabee. And she was saying paralleled experiences as a black sheep and naturopath school. And she's got people from cancer to any kind of cancer, MS, ALS, Parkinson's, type one diabetes, everyone's HIV, reversing everything, reversing everything, basically doing the opposite of what we're saying. I'm like, I knew it. Like I just didn't have the experience in this side, because I'm not in that field, right. But she's over there doing the same thing. So again, we come down to what else isn't true, you know what I mean? What else and and again, the only reason she knows the extent of her medicine is because she healed herself. The only reason I know the extent of my medicine is because I experimented, she experimented I'm willing to literally talk every now and then it's like, what are you doing? She's like, running myself through some experiments. Like, how you doing? She's like, I think I overdid so like, you know, and then I'm at the office, like put myself through holy shit, like shifted this and did this. And then, oh my god, oh my god, just a realization, but constantly learning as to why I'm a student still and will ever forever be a student, you know, and so I think that's where it started. Awesome, man. Did you have a question, Joel? Do you have one? No, no, I was just gonna say, man, I just, I love that process. You know, it's like the dance, we talked about this a lot, the dance of opposites. It's like, I know, because you're learning, and you're sharing. And on the same time, on the flip side, I don't fucking know shit. Yeah, you know, because obviously, I've heard you speak and you sound like someone who knows and yet at the same time, there is on the other side is like, I know to the degree that I know at this present moment, because I'm open to be humbled like that in the future anytime. And I think that's important when you're a teacher and student. And both of them kind of they're both. They're both operating simultaneously. Yeah. And it's something that I try to use as a guide in my life. I mean, I could be selfish with the best of them. And of course, be a motherfucker. But hopefully I try my best to try to stay stay grounded and humble when I can. You know, what's cool is I always like any new person I have, I'm always just like, what am I gonna learn from this person today? And I'll go and I literally will see it be like, boom, that right there. Holy shit. Like, you know, and this person was an ankle or was a big toe or was a shoulder. I'm like, you're not you're you're Jocelyn. And guess what I learned from you today. And they love hearing that too, because there's that honesty. And there was even a guy that came into my office. You mentioned something I always say, like, like the people I work with, they'll leave breadcrumbs behind and I just follow the breadcrumbs as to what they need. And I'm very, very humble to the human body. And I'm the least amount of stuff I need to do, but I'm following them, not the other way around. And I make that damn clear. And there was a gentleman who came in and he had XYZ issue and some stuff. And I was looking at him. And I was like, I had two other chiropractors shadowing me at the time, and a pretty full office. And I was sitting there on the couch or to where I start. (29:33 - 30:02) And I'm like, you know what, I don't think I'm your guy. I'm like, there's things that we could definitely do in here that we get your system in a position to be able to adapt to anything, anything you're going to do. But to be totally honest, the only other person I trust in medicine is Dr. Cassie Huckabee, who we already talked about. Here's her number, here's her information. If you're going to invest in yourself, and do some work, go to her first, whatever's left over, she knows what I do. If I feel like a fit, or if I feel like a fit right now, you can totally stay. (30:03 - 30:53) But I just want you to know that this is more in her wheelhouse. And I just think you're going to do better with her. And he's like, wow, like he had been dicked around by allopathic. He'd been dicked around by naturopathic. He was really thankful that I was honest with him. I'm like, yeah, and today's visit is nothing. I'm not charging you. You know, like, here's your information. Go dude, let me know if there's any way I can help. He left. Well, the two chiropractors shadowing me were like, Oh, my God, because you're taught that how much money can you make off each person? Do you know what I mean? You're taught to like, well, how many services can you get out of each person? And then Oh, yeah, we want people better. You know, you don't you don't have any fucking idea what you're talking about. And the guy was like, what about our role in adaptation? And I'm like, you're totally right. There is a place for me and her and you and everybody involved. But honestly, the adjustment and the service I gave him was telling him the truth. (30:54 - 33:55) And that's what that did in his head, and his heart and his system, I think is better than anything I could have done with my hands, anything I could have written on a paper. And he was I mean, there's young, these two young chiropractors and we're just like, and I even had an epiphany right there where that just kind of spilled out of my mouth, right? I was like, holy shit. Again, this is 20 years in. And I just turned this guy away. Because he wasn't it's not sometimes. Sometimes we're not the ones that need to be it's just a conversation. It's just trust you. Like, we don't know who to trust anymore. Right? Like, and that's the thing, trying to be this authentic, your whole podcast has the word truth in it. Right? Like, that's, that's the thing. Who do we trust? Now? I feel like everyone's trying to sell us on something. You know, it's like, can we just have a conversation and not talk about a fucking MLM? Or can we just have a conversation not talk about how we're going to be selling something in a scheme of some sorts? Like, let's just, let's just share, let's just connect. And that's all I did with this gentleman that was really suffering really, really badly. And I hugged him hugged him and sent him on his way. He called Cassie and he's on his way. So, you know, that's really the kind of the point of this podcast is to have fucking conversations, man. Not like, oh, hey, this is who you are. Now, what do you do? And how can you help people? It's like, well, no, how do you become you? Right? What's your journey? What's your story? Because I feel like we're starving for role models and I mean role models in the sense of, you know, that ego ideal, that thing that we can strive for, take those qualities. Like you said, I imitate these people. I look at these people. I can maybe wear some of those qualities or strive for those qualities. And like, based on our malignant culture and celebrity culture, and even professional athlete culture, it's like, this is what the younger generations are looking up to. And it's like, yeah, okay. We're not on some fucking mainstream platform here, but it's like, if even one 20 year old or 16 year old can hear any story, any hero's journey that one of our guests shares, and it goes, oh my God, like I thought this person was like, perfect and amazing. And then they went through this and they put a fucking gun to their head and they did this one. Holy fuck. Like, you know, maybe I can, maybe there's something I can do and I can persevere and fight through. And I just, that's what I love about human beings is just even having these stories. I love knowing about people. I love learning about people, man. So the fact that you're from fucking Jersey too, or at least for a little bit of time is dope. We get a little bit of a bad rap in Jersey. It's like, man, I've met so many dope ass people from fucking Jersey. I know, I know. And it literally was my most, it was my favorite time. My friend, my friend group there was amazing. It was just, dude, it was such a good time. We would go to pizza at Uno on Saturdays, then go to RKL movie theaters. And then there were arcades. We'd go to Lavalette, Seaside Heights. We'd go to Cape May, LBI, Yankee stadium. I mean, I lived in Jersey. I think you got more of the Jersey experience than me. Cause my parents are like off the boat, Greek immigrants. So like, I didn't really go down to the Jersey shore. (33:55 - 34:26) I was kind of spoiled with Greek beaches. I was like, I ain't going to that fucking shit hole. Okay. Wait, three foods. So one of my, one of my, one of my clients, he was going back to go get his master's and he's staying in Connecticut. Okay. And I'm like, Oh my God, East coast food, man. There's three things I miss. The, the deli sandwich, just any pure deli sandwich, right? Like what do you mean? Like ham salami, like Capricola, like all that shit. (34:26 - 36:07) Thick man, like thick, a cold pickle, like fuck, like good. Right. A bagel, like a legit Jersey bagel. And then of course a New York slice, like, like pizza, New York style pizza. Like I went, I went on a, I was promoting my book, blah, blah, blah, plug, whatever. Went to New York city was with my dad and his girlfriend. We had, we had four days interviews and all this shit. I had five whole pies by myself because I knew I was going to like Lombardi's Tony's. It was like on the side. I'm like, yeah, large pie, please. Like I just could not get enough of this. And when you come back West, there's still, there's some good places, but it's, it doesn't compare. And those three, give me, give me any other that like Northeastern, like you guys. Well, for me is I grew up in the diner business. So Jersey's kind of the diner capital of the world. And I love Taylor ham and cheese, you know, like Taylor ham and cheese on a hard roll. You know, my dad's diner had something called something new in a sandwich, which was Taylor ham, egg and cheese on a hard roll, you know? And I used to have the guys in the back, like put home for like a home fries in my, my Taylor ham and cheese. And this shit was, that shit was dope. And the rolls, it was like that. There was just something about the bread. It, man, there was, there were food memories. There were many food memories I had in Jersey for sure. So many, man, so many. Yeah. I want to, I want to quote you on something here. You said a happy diner is better than a sad salad. I did say that. Yeah. And the fact that we don't enjoy a food anymore. Right. And we've completely separated nutrition from enjoyment and from mindset. Do you want to speak on that a little bit? Yeah. You know, and that rolled off my tongue. (36:08 - 38:40) I think I was on the Weston a price podcast and I've been following Weston a price nourishing principles for about 18 years now. It just makes the most sense to me, but I'm not on a diet. I've never done a diet at all. The diets never made sense to me, but I have worked in the field and I would work with people and they were just punishing themselves with food. And there was so much guilt and shame around food. And I was like, and then we were told, you know, you're lucky that you can eat whatever, because you work out all the time. Actually training and fat loss is like spooning out a forest fire. It's not you're we've sold that that works so that you keep coming back. But the people on the treadmill look exactly the same the year later. Like they look exactly the same only they're like wasted more and they're injured and they're just like mushy. So like there's something bigger than that. And we've become so disconnected on purpose. Really. We don't know when we're hungry. We don't know when we're supposed to eat, how much we're supposed to eat, where it's supposed to source from food is accessible at all times. You know what I mean? And so I, it was one of those things that I put myself through regular fasts, not to lose weight, not to get ready for a vacation, but truly it came from feel where I just felt like I didn't need food anymore. I was like, I just don't like eating right now. I'm going to take three days off. And I started with water fast for like 10 years, three day water fasts for like every turn of the season. And then I started doing absolute dry. Cause I really wanted to mentally challenge myself. Absolute dry is no food, no water, and no water touches your skin directly for three days. And then I would break it by jumping in the ocean. And it was really not difficult, but it taught me, if you can stare hunger in the face with all these choices around us and say, no, like literally say no, like think about the control you can have in other areas of your life, you know? And that really was what it was about giving my system a break, obviously, but you learn how valuable food is and our connection to food. I mean, take a fruit with what fruit has evolved to make it look the way it does taste the way it does. So we consume it's seeds and we go deliver the seed somewhere else is our agreement. And that fruit in us continuing their species, it gives us nourishment. And then it also learns how to be more resilient in there from the land because it wasn't polished. It's actually organic and free. Now we don't even know what that is. (38:40 - 40:24) You know what I mean? But like these fruits have evolved and gotten tough and resilient. Now we're accepting this nourishment imprinting on our DNA. And now we're going to pass it on like, fuck, this is like here. Do you know how unbelievable fruit is just fruit. And then you go into these things like I celebrate with food so much. I love making it. I love sourcing it from a farm that I trust. I love picking out my vegetables and my fruit. And everyone's like, oh, it must be difficult to look the way you do and eat the way you do. Dude, I celebrate flavor. I swear I get hammered on flavor. Sometimes I swear I don't drink much anymore. Like those days are over. I don't desire it. But I know I'm intoxicated in some fashion on flavor and spices and what these this nourishment is. And then I also I had clients come in and they would do, you know, chocolate cake at night or blueberry muffins in the morning. And they're like, I bet you're going to tell me to stop doing that. I'm like, fuck, no. Your body somehow wants chocolate cake at night. How the hell do I know what it needs? I know you're asking for it. So we're going to listen to it. Here's what you're going to do. Don't cut it because then you're just going to be like, you're going to feel guilty that you're you're having it one, you're going to eliminate it and you're going to go crazy because you really didn't realize why you were doing the first place like there's no connection to the whole process. So how about we go with where you're getting it? Okay, I get it from Costco. It's like 50 ingredients. Okay, you're going to make chocolate cake from scratch. It's like five ingredients. So now you make it from scratch and you eat it you wonder you one realize that your body's getting food your brain goes Oh, shut down full and you'll be full in like a slice. Great. And the contents were a good flour sourced a good egg, a good butter, raw butter, honey, maybe avocado or something like that cacao like, okay, rearrange that that's like eggs toast. (40:24 - 41:21) And like, you know, cocoa, butter, honey, syrup, like, I mean, it doesn't really matter. But these people are like, Oh, my God, now I've regulated my cravings. I didn't deny myself anything. I feel good. I'm, I'm like sharing it with my husband or my kids, instead of eating and shame anymore. And now three months later, they may be noticed that they don't want that anymore. It's shifting to something else. But when you make stuff from scratch, we start connecting to sourcing start really realizing when you're hungry and when when you're supposed to stop. And that's why I never deny myself somebody's like, I bet you splurge you do a splurge every now and then my whole life's a splurge. No part of my eating approach is negative. Anything I consume is in celebration. It is not in punishment. It is not in guilt. It is not because somebody told me to, it is straight up, because I'm celebrating this motherfucking life. And so that came out of my head that it literally is the power of our beliefs and perceptions is so much greater than any ingredient. (41:21 - 44:19) That it is a happy donut is healthier than a sad salad, because there's a bunch of miserable people sticking to some diet. And I've seen the fallout is not pretty. It's not sustainable. And then there's people celebrating with bacon and alcohol some nights together, and they smoke real self rolled cigarettes. And they're, you know, make it's like, wait, these people are living to like 124. Ha, like, there's something bigger that we're missing here as Americans. And we've got that you have to have a six pack, you have to be lean on the cover of a magazine, and you got to be to be healthy, or not dead equals healthy. And so I just started, I said that, and it really stuck. And then I literally will celebrate with a donut. And everyone will then question me and go, well, if that was true, I'd have donuts all the time. And I'm like, okay, give yourself donuts all the time. Allow yourself see what happens. Just see and then you'll realize like, I don't really feel good. Or I don't like this. You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden, you realize what your your blend is and what your dances you start to discover self. So you know, the thing too is I love all that man is you're tapping into creativity when you're making your own food, too. You know, like, there's there's effort involved. There's a creative act that's happening, where you're going, you're reaching to the kitchen, you're taking the eggs out, you're doing that thing, as opposed to like, I just pick something off the shelf, and I'm coming back and I'm eating it. So there's something there's a self nourishing this I know you this this word is so it's buzzword, but self love, there's something about making food and nourishing yourself, that for me, is like the simplest act of self love that I can do is like, getting nutrient dense foods, healthy foods, and even not even not that like, I used to be much more, I don't want to say restrictive. But I, you know, like, I haven't drank in eight years, I haven't had caffeine in eight years, like, that's just not my thing, because I'm pretty jacked up. Anyways, I have caffeine. Yeah, of walls, you know. But like, I also didn't have chocolate for eight years, because of theobromine. I was like, No, I don't want any stimulants, any depressants. But like, fucking a few months ago, I was like, I'm fucking having chocolate. Nice. No, it's not like integrated chocolate back into my life, you know. But it's just it's just an interesting thing, man. Like, I love the happy the happy donut versus the sad salad, because again, that internal dialogue is so huge. I get to have a piece of cake. I'm like, I'm with my loved ones. I'm celebrating life. This is amazing. This is great. Or I could have the fucking don't the donor or the cake and be like, Oh my god, like, I can't I shouldn't be eating this right now. What the fuck? Like, like, what the fuck is that gonna do? No, no, it's a spiral. Yeah, I've just been dabbling and tapping in. I'm starting to like learn about German new medicine. Oh, nice, which is really, really cool. And I think, based on what I know, you've talked about a lot about like disease is, is, yeah, what it is. Yeah, it's like an adaptation of the body. We're trying to get back to homeostasis and healing. So I really love that, that idea. And even just the idea of these internal conflicts that exist within us that are the cause as opposed to like, I had seven donuts. Now I'm gonna get fucking cancer and diabetes and all that shit. (44:19 - 48:20) It doesn't make sense, right? Yeah. Dude, we interviewed Stefan Lanka before I left the and he's big in German new medicine. And again, that was when I interviewed Dr. Cassie Huckabee as well. I said, if you were making a dictionary, would sickness and disease even be in your dictionary? She's like, No. Yeah. And she's speaking from experience. And so I was like, God, this is just so empowering. And it's upsets and triggers a lot of people. I get it. But I feel I feel amazing that there's like no randomness to it. Like our bodies aren't attacking ourselves. It's a real great conversation and dance that we get to have in this life right now. We should be so fortunate to be in these things in this quantum infinite suit, called a human body. That's just will never science will never be able to pull it apart. And I love it. I love that we won't discover it. It's so empowering. Like that idea that paradigm of like, nature isn't wrong. No dysfunction going on in my body. There's a reason why it's happening. I'm actually really grateful. I don't know if you know, Dr. Melissa cell. She's a like, I first heard about she's become a friend of mine. That's I first heard about CNN. And I'm just like, Oh, this is dope, man. Like, this is talking about like, when you challenge all the things that you knew up until this point, even someone who's been into like a lot of more holistic alternative stuff. Like ideologies like that, that paradigm even fucking flips that on its head. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you have you had it on the show? You should have on the show? Yeah, we are. We're going to. She's awesome. Probably. Yeah. Maybe September we're gonna have a rag girl. Yeah. Yeah. She's cool. What's happening into here a little bit is this. The disconnect is the reason why we have these skewed ideologies. I think that stems from we've been conditioned to not figure things out on our own. And when you don't figure out something on your own, you're never going to build that muscle and understand what comes with that and the beauty and the happiness that actually comes with learning something and realizing what's good for me, what's not good for me. And it's that self experimentation, which is, which is missing, because we just outsourced all our knowledge, all our trust, all our power, all our authority to these powers that be for so long that you know, I mean, that's that willingness is just not there anymore in this instant gratification lifestyle, which we've all become so accustomed to. My question is, what do you think? Like, obviously, on a broader level, we know what breeds this corruption and breeds these ideologies. But in your direct experience, what is it that breeds it? And what is it that prevents someone with authority with a degree with a doctor title from actually, what is it that builds up the resistance from them actually questioning these paradigms that they're just playing out over and over again, with no real outcomes? And no real benefit? So I mean, money and power, right? Like there's, it's it's, it's the scariest thing. Yeah, dude, it's what's that? Is that all it is for you? I mean, think about the like control money power control, like, there's a reason that they chose health to roll in a complete overhaul of everything. If that's what you guys think, like our health is our number one. And now they can shift anything. They can change everything law, school, spirituality, food, medicine, tech, anything else you want to like, it's done, right. And so and if you I know people personally, that are Kelly Brogan, man, Dr. Kelly Brogan took out a life insurance policy before she released her first book because her mentor died. Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez. He was having people heal cancers of all kinds. He's dead. Like said, I mean, the list goes on, right? So it's like if you do, and if you do speak up in these institutions, they shut you down right away. And you can't thrive. Dr. Larry Pileski, I said, you know, I had him on my podcast. And he's, he's up in Jersey, I think. (48:20 - 51:07) He's in New York, right outside of New York, Dr. Larry's totally mad. And so he's just like, you can't have the, the freedom to have, you know, free thought and critical thinking in just that model. And the second you do, you're either silenced, you're censored, you're killed, or otherwise. And so it's like, well, fuck, man, how do it's like, what do we do? And literally, when I was with this freedom group before it just fell a fucking part, it was like every single one of us was like, okay, this is a hill we'll die on. Or so I thought Dr. Ben Tapper is one of the disinformation doesn't he's a buddy, man. Like, he moved in the middle of wilderness guys got like a family of seven. Like he knows exactly what's up, but he'll be damned to leave the world to his kids as to where it's headed. So we got to realize that it's one of those things that I don't think we have any concept and I don't want to know of, of who controls what? Yeah, I just don't think we have any idea. I mean, it depends on how deep down the rabbit holes and what a person's willing to entertain to like, like, there's different levels of conspiracy or, you know, it's great. I think what we do know is that whatever the force is, it's anti life and it's anti nature and it's trying as damn hard as possible to hold nature submerged, right? So that's why I say and to dehumanize. I even know a farmer, there was there was a storm in the Midwest. And I was like, a hurricane, it was an inland hurricane. And I asked him and he's just like, No, he's like, TJ. No, like, off the record, I'm gonna say he's like, the clouds are coming from a different direction. And he's a fucking farmer of like, 30 years, like the guy knows the farm, like Earth and weather, like I would know possibly muscle, you know what I mean? Or whatever. And so I just don't think we get it. So okay. I said this because Dr. Joey had me on. What was that stupid radio app? I was on it for a while. Like, you raise your hand. Yeah. And I was trying to do stuff on there. And he had me on and we were talking about he asked me what book I was reading at the time. And I said, David White's essentials. It's a book of poems that he wrote in 2020. In response to this, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. And it's connecting back to nature. He's like, what's at stake now? He said it so beautifully. He's like, they're attacking exactly what you said, Joel is like, they're attacking everything it is that's natural. Like what's going on. And so he just wrote beautifully about love and nature and trees and Earth and all these things. It was fantastic. So I get into the whole thing. Well, Joe was just waiting for me to finish saying so that he could say his book, which was David Ike's new book. And I'm like, that's fine. (51:08 - 55:59) But I said, here's the thing, I feel like we've become an expert in really bad things. I think I've said that. And that's the thing, people can recite all this bad shit. But they don't know what's in their fridge. Or they can recite all this bad stuff. And they don't know when the last time they had a long discussion with their child, about, you know, the power of them, them, their, their potential, you know, and that or they haven't sat outside in the sun and just put their feet, you know, on the grass. I mean, but they know, you know, Judy Mike, if it's his last speech verbatim, and it's like, Jesus Christ, you guys, like, we're not gonna make it man. And I've said this, and I still will say this to this day, if this whole thing stops right now, we're not changed. We're not any better. There's a group of us, but there's a huge mass of people that have gone far worse. It hasn't changed us enough. Yeah. And so this is where it gets real shitty, is where I don't want it to stop. Because we have to have a stimulus, we have to have something that's major, to create a healing response that's even better, because the body's designed, otherwise, we never made it this far. A healing response is always greater than the trauma, always, it always is that the potential for the healing is there, or we wouldn't have made it. So we still have a ways to go to where I just don't think a lot of us are scared enough. Yeah, a lot of us are ready to make those changes. Or a lot of us have really grasped, like, what's at stake here? They're like, Are you really not gonna fly? You mean, I'm not getting the vaccine? I'm not gonna fly? Yes. Like, have you missed me talking question at this point? They don't get it. You know what I mean? They don't even get like, what this the extent of what's at stake if you just go del big tree before I just kind of lost focus on a lot of what he was saying. The last time we interviewed him, he said, it doesn't matter what industry you go into. It all brings it back to the same point. You know, like, it's all being attacked by the same force, or whatever you want to say, you know, and so I was like, Well, I don't know shit about shit. And I'm not about to be an expert in that stuff. I'm going to go over here, go within go on myself go, and I'm in paradise. You guys are in paradise, like, like paradise is where you are, right? Like Mandela had paradise in prison. You know, Frankel had paradise in a concentration camp. Like, it's what we can make of it. And you said it, man, you said two by two. I interviewed Oli Olerton, who's a former SAS, like special forces badass. And I wanted a men's man's perspective. It was like maybe last June. And he's a father. And I was getting all these women and I just wanted a man's perspective and a father's perspective. And he said the same thing all the women were saying he's just like this whole thing's bullshit. Fuck mass fuck all this stuff. You got to stand for what you believe in. We got to set home for our kids be good examples. He said, Here's what we learned in the shit. When we had a team of 12 or a team of 14 or whatever, and stuff's going crazy, things are blowing up, your buddy's leg is off and everything's going. You worry about one meter square. So one meter square rule, one meter square around you, you take care of everything that's in that one meter square first, make sure it's exactly how you want it. And then you go figure out everybody else. And then the force can go in and they accomplish mission. And he goes, we need people to go in one meter squared on themselves. And I thought that was amazing. Because we've all been saying this everyone else is like, yeah, I'm ready to march. I'm ready to fight. I'm ready to join a group. But have you done anything? Have you improved at all? This last year and a half? Because if you haven't, what the fuck are you doing? You had a year and a half? You know, like, like, and I know it's like scary, but enough of this scary shit, like it's over. We're all scared. We're all going through shit. Stop. Let's go. Like, let's wake this up and go and figure this out. And if we go one meter squared, and each of us does it Kelly Brogan said again, she goes, you owe it to humanity to heal. Because if you do, then you raise your consciousness level and then affect. I mean, just right now speaking about this is affecting the three of us and then anybody listening and then that's going and then that's going right. So we owe it to humanity to get ourselves in a position to be better than we were yesterday. And that's in the face of and in spite of like to know like, I'm just like, anytime I see an injury, anytime I see something come, I'm like, Oh, oh my god, this is so cool. Because as great as they seem, we're greater, the potential in us is greater. And that's what I look at. Somebody will come in and be like, TJ, look at my ankle. Oh, it's pretty fucked up, right? Holy shit, we do this, right? You're going to be better than you were prior to this moment. And even better than you've ever dreamed. Like, hell, yes, let's go look at that healing response. And they're like, okay, wow, didn't. But that's literally it. Like what an opportunity 2020 is given us if we do it right. We should ascend to levels we we aren't even we can't even comprehend. We can't even imagine that are possible, because we have it all inside of us. Fucking love that. (55:59 - 56:48) gave me goosebumps, man for a little bit there. Yeah, yeah. No, it is this idea of Okay, I get it. We want to resist. We want to investigate. We want to understand who are these people? What's going on? Yeah. And some people are are built that way and drawn that way. I like to go down rabbit holes straight up. And what are we building? What are you focused on building? What are you putting your focus and energy on? Like, what life are you creating? You know, and it's just like, even like, I think about my wife and me and like, we moved to Topanga, like the writing was on the wall, we were in Santa Monica. And like, before this shit even happened, even right when it happened, like, end of February, March of 20. Oh, wow. Okay, we this no, no, no. You know, like, no way we got a we got a, we were gonna leave the state. But like, anyways, the stars aligned, and everything worked out. We're in Topanga. And we're creating our life, man. We're having freedom gatherings. We're bringing people together. (56:48 - 59:56) We're swimming, we're fucking living our life. And yeah, yeah, dude, like, that's what it's about. And we're fortunate. We're blessed. And yeah, we've created that, you know what I mean? Like, that's our reality. And I just think sometimes there just needs to be a little bit of that balance of, okay, where's this energy going? What's the frequency? What's the vibration of it? And then where else can you put it? You know, in that one meter square? Yeah, man. I love being alive during this time that my fucking soul, whatever you want to believe. Yeah, chose to incarnate during this time. And I'm hanging out with you two motherfuckers right now. We're keeping it real. And I love this shit. I love it, man. I'm what I know. I know you said you're not interested, but I'm more curious than ever brought into your human design astrology. That's what I do, right? And then fuck now. I'm like, Who the fuck is this guy? I fucking love it. I know you said, Let's chat afterwards. One thing I want to say is I feel like where I'm looking from, I feel like it's part of the agenda, the inversion to have us constantly focused on repeating the negativity, trying to go down these rabbit holes, trying to explore the dark side constantly. And as you speak, so you create, and we're constantly recreating it, right? We were perpetuating the cycle by regurgitating this 24 fucking seven on social media, etc, etc. I do it. I mean, I throw out memes and funny ass shit. And yeah, sure. Information and like, Hey, yo, this is what's happening, you know, but what are you gonna do? I enjoy it too. My, my response, my response. And I, again, I do stuff on feel. And I keep trying to promote this, that if we do the personal work, you'll know what decisions you're supposed to make. Because everyone was like, Am I supposed to move? Am I supposed to whatever? You'll know, because it'll just be so clear. Things will just start being so clear. It was clear to you to move to the topanga like everything was in the on the wall. You said it like it was just go. And you were rewarded. And you'll continue to do this. Like this is why I moved to California. This is why I went to school is why I did what I did. Like, so when I'm getting messages are like, what am I going to post today? Or what? There was a shift where I'm like, I can't post any more of this crap. Like I just can't do it. Okay. So what am I going to post then? Here's what I'm going to shift to. And then if people so somebody was asking me about shedding, and somebody was sharing something about Bill Gates, and some was sharing a bunch of stuff. And I was just literally like, or Hey, have you seen the latest on? And my response was and I said this on a I was with David avocado wolf and who's the girl in North Shore, the movie, the surf movie. She lives out in Topanga. It's Damn, come on, guys. I don't know. It's a it's a 80s actor, actress. Whatever she she was the movie. Can I can I go North Shore? It's called North Shore with Laird Hamilton. And she's the head. But she lives up in Topanga. Okay. And she was it was her. It was like a panel of eight. And it was David, I've got a wolf and and Nia peoples, Nia peoples. Yeah. So Nia people. (59:56 - 1:01:03) All right. Okay. And so she was on there as well. Like there was all this stuff. And I dropped this because I was on America's frontline nurses. It was some Canadian nurses up there and, and they were having me on. And I was like, I just kind of rolled it because I didn't really, really think about it. But I said, we'd be that whole, we become experts in really bad things. And when somebody reaches out and say, Hey, have you seen the latest on shedding? Or have you seen what do you think about shedding? What do you think about Bill Gates? What do you think about all this stuff? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm too busy signing my balls. And I said that. And I was joking. But I was like, not joking. I was like, No, I for real. I'm like outside signing my balls. I'm I can't read this stuff. Like, I'm too busy making a meal. And I was literally there's so much weight in that, like be so busy living just a fucking monster life that you just have no time to even not be you're aware of it. You're aware and you just come in. It's like, Oh, that's kind of fucked up. All right. You know, I'm gonna go over here and go on a flower walk. I'm gonna go surf. I'm gonna go you know, I'm gonna go do I'm gonna go sun my balls right after this conversation. I'm gonna send my balls and jump in the pool, dude. That's what I'm gonna do. And I'm gonna enjoy it. (1:01:03 - 1:02:01) My neighbors are too close to me at the moment. I think I may have a ball sunning party here soon, soon, dude. Dude, you'll start a trend. Joel, you'll start a trend, man. They'll look over. They're like, okay, what's up? Dude, okay, I'm gonna keep it real right now, dude. I went the morning after I send my balls, dude, when I wake up, my fucking dick is harder than it is when I don't send my balls. For all you men watching, dude, there's a reason for it. It's not just because we like to see ourselves. Every hit to steal. It was Pete Evans. When we talked, he said every cell is a solar panel. And then Dr. Cassie like Cassie is morning sun is one of her biggest medicine prescriptions. Morning sun on everything. Everything. It is vital. And we've heard so much even the sun is the enemy. It's gonna give you cancer. (1:02:03 - 1:02:27) Everything they want to attack, I'd do more. It just makes sense. You know what to do by what people are trying to attack. That's why I feel, we talked about this earlier. I was looking at everything that people were doing and didn't seem to work. I just did the opposite. And then it's so clear. It's like, oh, we can blame our parents or no, you just use that whatever you're supposed to do the opposite if you weren't, if it didn't make sense to you. And that wasn't ideal. (1:02:28 - 1:04:16) And so right now they want us terrified of each other, terrified of germs, terrified of the sun, staying inside, then it must mean we should be going outside. We should be going away from cities. We should be going into the sun. We should be, I think if we just look at what they're asking and we just go the other way. I know you're not into degrees and all that, but my wife just finished her dissertation on the interrelational dynamics of touch. So when she started fucking her thing four years ago, I don't think she thought that this was going to be one of the most fucking controversial subjects out there. And it's like, when you get into it, you know, and I read her, I read her paper, you get into it, like what it touches. And this is one of her quotes. It's not a luxury. Like it's necessary. We need it for survival, you know, wither away and die. And so it's like the more we can hug each other and touch each other and even skin to skin, that's, that's even more important. So it's just like, you know, let's, we all just need to be naked, sunning in the sun, hugging each other, dude. And we're fucking good to go. I don't know what's the problem. I mean, I don't know, Joel's holding us up there. He's also like, I don't know how many miles between Sydney and the west coast of the US, 10,000 miles. We're in the middle of winter as well, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. You're in winter. Even more important, dude, deal with the cold, bro. Get sun on those balls. That's what I'm saying. Fuck that. Shoes and socks, stocking cap, let it fly. I'll make it work. Hey, what's up with the ponkins? Dude. So, okay. There's, are you, are you doing the Illuminati eye? I'm Illuminati and I'm Satan, man. Are you position? So here's, here's where it started when my, when my second account got deleted by the Ig powerhouses. Okay. That was pretty comical. Cause I wasn't even really doing much. (1:04:16 - 1:05:22) And I remember I was laying out son of my balls, no shit. And I was doing a post, a pretty, a pretty vanilla post and an account got deleted. I'm like, this is fucking unbelievable, dude, fuck you. And so I'm like, you're not going to stop me. I'm going to create IPNs. I'm going to go fucking like, I'm going to create accounts. Well, I couldn't create an account under Tommy John. It had to be only this neighborhood cat. So my name's Omi, this cat. And it's hilarious. People that have no idea who I am. They're like, reach out like, excuse me, Omi. We'd love to have you on our podcast. I'm like, you don't even know like what's going on. Omi is the name of the neighborhood cab, but that's cool. I'll get back to you. So then I reached out to dr. Cassie. I said, Hey, I was deleted. And she's like, dude, this is bullshit. And she knows a little bit more about what's going on as well. And she's like, you know what, maybe you should just post pine cones, just joking. And it was actually kind of hilarious. So I posted her quote, maybe you should just post pine cones. And on this new account, it was like my first post. And, and then every morning, I would do a pine cone morning pine cone. And I'm all about habit, if there's something I can do better than most is be consistent and like obsessively consistent. (1:05:23 - 1:10:01) Well, then all of a sudden, I covered one eye randomly, because it was like artistic, and it just looked fucking cool. And then the little not whole gang came out. And they were like, Are you luminati? And you're, you're, you're promoting Satanism and pedophilia. And I'm like, okay, now I have a new mission. And that's every morning, just to prove how easy it is to control people. I'm just posting a picture and says morning pine cone, and tag Dr. Cassie. And it blows people's brains in two. And then they're just like, I don't I don't understand why you're what is it? What is it? Like, the like message me like, is it pineal gland? Do you eat them? Do you and then finally, I was like, can you eat them? So I look it up and you can. So then I do a video where I just end the video non on one. I didn't eat it. I just bit it and then cut the video and spit it out. But I'm just literally trying to fuck with how easy it is to manipulate people, which is part of the reason why we're here now. Yeah, like part of that reason. And so I'm, I'm kind of poking fun at how, how disastrous we are. But there's no significance behind the pine cone other than Dr. Cassie suggestion. And I do burn them in my apartment because I love the smell of campfire. And so I have a Pyrex like casserole dish and I just light like fucking little fires in my in my living room. And it like wafts up forest fire smell. So that's it. There we go here. I'm here for the truth, the naked truth on that. We got it. I'm charging my pineal gland. It needs to be over the middle of your forehead. You're doing it wrong. You're Satan. Well, now I'll go. I'll go with, well, the organization I'm a part of has told me that in my initiation process that I need to post these pictures with no questions asked. I'm hoping to become admiral. I mean, I'm like just completely making up shit because it's fun. It's really entertaining. Yeah, man. And to me, the reason for that is people don't really know themselves. There's the, no, they're not grounded. There's, there's no center. It's just, where can I get information from? You know what I mean? And what can, what is it that I can seek externally to fucking gratify whatever it is that I'm looking at right now? And yeah, think, think about this with as funny as what I'm doing is on such a smaller scale. What if I had billions? What is my scale now? I wonder if I could get people to believe that there's a, I wonder what we could fucking do. Like I'm going to, I'm just going to do something on the news and I'm going to shift the weather and I'm going to fucking release mosquitoes and I'm going to block this. I mean, literally like I'm being fun, but that's what they're doing. I don't think they know. I don't think they think they're being evil. Just like, do you know what I mean? I just think they have no, they have a work sense of like reality that I'm manipulating people with a pine cone picture that if I literally had billions upon billions and the world was my game and I had access to everything, guys, what could we do? I mean, what could we do for the good? Right. But I mean, if you were just a little bit, you had a bad morning and I was just like, you know, my posts where I'm like, fuck off. Like, what about a billionaire that goes into the news and tells people to fuck off in his way of, you know what I mean? Like just, and they get with other billionaires. Is it just a big game? And they, I don't know. Right. I'm just trying to see on like a grander scale. I can control people with a pine cone picture. Yeah. What can they do with the news and the education system and big pharma and big tech? Well, we're seeing it. Fuck. And big ag. I mean, you can, you can, you can literally make the board, the board game out of the world. Now, what I, what I truly believe is that nature's a motherfucker and she's going to come back and be like, fuck you. Now, what I hope is when you pull back and we look at like the earth and you and the three of us are just little bacterias, right? Like, I hope the earth is like, you're a probiotic. I'm going, I'm going to keep you here or I'm going to need you somewhere else. You know, like, that's kind of what I hope. That's why I hold faith is that as powerful as we think nature is a beast, this power inside, we, we have never seen anything like it. We don't have any concept of what it's capable of. It's infinite. It's, it's, it's unreal what they're going up against, what they're trying to wield. And that's why I'm like, fuck you. Like you can try. It's not going to happen, but you can try. I just hope I'm around to see. And if not, then we move forward. (1:10:01 - 1:10:44) We move on, you know? Oh yeah. There's going to come a point where she's going to shake her shoulders. Yeah. I'm good. We'll surf that energy wave out, go freaking figure out like the etherical plane and the Akashic records and tap into some really gnarly information. Come back as a cat. I mean, I said before, but you were in your monologue. It's like, yeah, I heard you say, what'd you say? I said, why a cat? You said, Oh, I'm in a cat. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So I am, I grew up with all animals. Uh, I love all animals. Like there was a puppy in my office today, a little bulldog. And I just, but there's something now we had cats more than most. (1:10:46 - 1:11:26) Um, just now of my, the way I'm observing connecting now, I just, when I'm looking at them, like there's something deeper that I feel like they know. And there's something, there's some element that they are, where they're always just a cat. That's a cat. They don't give a fuck. Like there's some element that we can find inspiration in. They're not trying to please anybody. They're not, they'll just flat out walk away from you, but they're always a cat. Do you know what I mean? Like they're always just, and not getting into a deep, but like other cultures would think that they could see different realities and planes. And again, infants, like, why can kids see ghosts or, or whatever, you know, cause they're more connected to source. (1:11:26 - 1:16:36) So it's like, I feel like it's a source of something. I don't know exactly what it is. Um, but I'm just feeling pulled towards cats. Um, and there's a neighborhood when he's like 16 years old and we just have these connections. I don't know, call them, I don't call them downloads or anything else, but I just, I just feel like there's something there that there's an autonomous expression to that. I feel like we could, we could tap into as humans under, uh, being exposed to what's going on now as well. So that's all cool, man. I like cats. I mean, I'm more of a dog person, but I like cats. I love dogs. I love, I know cats are really interesting to observe more. So I think in a certain way, there's a complexity to them that I'm, I'm like even more fascinated. I think it's because they're like, they're not just all about my shit. They're like, I don't need you to get the fuck out of here. That's what I'm saying. There's something there that makes you just like, what is it? Or all of a sudden we'll just like, look at the wall. Yeah. It's like, what are you seeing right now? Like literally what can you see that I can or can I, if I could simplify enough and not give a fuck, you know what I mean? If I could get on a cat's level on a cat's level and not care what anybody thinks. Ah, I wonder, I wonder. I think you're definitely embodying the cat energy there, man. But not giving a fuck. My last fuck, my last fuck left the building when that second account was deleted. Yeah. I was like, okay, I'm, I'm done. Here we go. You know, you, you speak on levels and like, I never had a huge following. I got like a couple of thousand followers, but like three weeks ago, I just got seriously, like my story engagement went down 95%. Like, it's not random. And I'm like, like, but for me, it's like, oh, you want to play? Like I, it makes me want to just fucking do this shit more and be more fired up even on a podcast and like, just like even more awesome fucking people just keep coming on and post more shit and speak out more. You know, it's just like, fuck you. You ain't going to play that. Fuck you. And we'll use them against them. Like we'll use everyone's like, I'm getting off IG. They're stealing our information, dude. Everybody has all our information. Fuck off. Yeah. That's right. I'm going to stay back on there because there's millions of people and the platform's great. And I'm going to use their power against them. Fuck you. Like I'm literally going to infiltrate and be a healthy infection. You should just make another account. Your SMS just came to me. Just fucking make another account. Yeah, maybe dude. Yeah, for sure. Might as well just start. Yeah. A hundred percent. We'll see what fucking happens. Fuck them. It's fucking good. They're going to fuck with this Greek from fucking Jersey that grew up in the fucking business. You know what I'm saying? Dude, you don't even know. We'll dump you in the fucking Hudson. That's right. I'll throw some cheeseburger deluxes at your face and some fries and gravy. Oh man. On that note, man, this has been a fucking awesome conversation. Like I didn't, I didn't know where this was going to go, but so resonant and man, I love how you're showing up. I love, I love how real you are, how authentic you've become and even more so through everything you've been through the last couple of years. It's dope to see, man. We appreciate you having you on here. I appreciate you saying so. And we got to do a round two. I'm sure there's, there's more we could get into. Oh yeah, man. We definitely will dude. Hit me up for sure. And I enjoyed this. And dude, if you're ever up in LA, man, like, Oh yeah. Like come up to Topanga and fucking kick it, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Balls out, bro. You know, we don't fuck around. That's what we're going to do. Nobody even realizes. Oh man, we're going to ship out some fucking slices from New York. Let's go. It's great, man. It's like, it's nice to connect. I feel like we've been in my periphery cause we have some mutual friends, man. So it's nice to back down here and have a real conversation. So got it. Thanks for being real, man. Of course you guys be good. Definitely. Everyone. Thanks for listening to episode 12 of here for the truth with Tommy John and naked TJ. Go follow him. Go check it out, dude. It's anything, anything else Shout out before we go website, book socials. No, just realize that degrees that are burned my degrees are ashes and Idlewild. Um, it's literally, literally like, just take back yourself. I just can't express enough how you being the most unapologetic, unedited, uncensored, real sunbathes, highly meditated, nourished, connected, resilient, strong, how that's just so needed right now. If you're sitting there in your flat or you're sitting there in your, your fucking studio apartment, you're paying like 3000 in like 300 square feet in New York, or you're wherever with your family, or you're wondering what you can do, what can I do to help? What can I do to help right now? We've talked about it. Take care of yourself in some way. Find some way that you can do something today different than you did yesterday, something. And I talked about those eight essentials in the intro. It's a belief in something greater than yourself, your purpose, your relationships, your sleep, naps, your breath, meditation, prayer, your outdoor light exposure, your nourishment and your body movement. If you take an inventory of those eight, you write a paragraph of those eight. (1:16:36 - 1:18:13) And then next to and nobody's going to judge this shit. Fuck everybody. This is your living document. It's your document. It's your life, what it means to you next to each column, two columns, medicine toxic. And you just start writing things that are medicinal in that category based on what you believe it is. And then you got to be fucking honest. And you got to write things that are toxic, you know, hooking up with that chick or hooking up with that dude, you know, that's not healthy. You got to like write that down as a toxic thing. You got to write down your late bedtime, you got to write down. And then all of a sudden, you're gonna have this massive living, beautiful document. And all you got to do each day, just start adding more into the medicine columns and scratching off more of the toxic and it's it's simple. It's sustainable. You can move forward and make you your own guru. I just saved you medical bills, I saved you PT, I saved you rehab nourishment, you it's literally your own thing. You can do this. And it's literally pulled those eight from the people that have people getting in position to heal themselves. It's not complicated. It's simple. It's not easy. But if you literally just start to look at those eight right now, you don't need a course, you don't need a seminar, you don't need a news story, you don't need a politician, you don't need a teacher, you don't need an organization, you will start to discover who you are. And that's what we need to show up our human beings starting to discover who they are, who their authentic self is. And we will see some of the coolest shit humanity has ever seen in the history of human. If we start to discover this. That's all a fucking man. Take care guys.