Shane Bales Projects, Programs & Cults

(0:00 - 0:23) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stylianensis. All right, everybody, welcome to episode 13 of Here for the Truth. Today we have a very special episode for you with our guest today, Shane Bales. (0:24 - 0:45) Now Shane hasn't provided a bio for us and he's requested that we explain who he is on his behalf. So I thought the best way to do this was to bring it back to his initial blog, The Ruiner, and read you a paragraph from his introduction. So Shane was raised within quote-unquote Illuminati systems. (0:45 - 1:07) In Shane's own words, I was a member both by blood and by initiation. I was educated and trained by their members at the highest level and for several years assisted them in their goals. While I was a member and involved, a large portion of my job was to understand their plans, how they will be presented to the world, and what this would cause. (1:08 - 1:18) The Illuminati itself used to call me the keeper of secrets, which anyone reading this with experience will understand. Shane, thank you for being here. Welcome to Here for the Truth. (1:19 - 1:23) Happy to be here. I love you both. So this is going to be fun. (1:24 - 1:45) Yeah, thanks, man. Ever since I heard you with David in your conversation a couple years ago, man, it was really nice to connect and just really value a lot that you shared, even on that talk. And I don't know, Joel, if you wanted to start off with a question or... Well, let me kind of drop the disclaimer that is also on that blog. (1:47 - 2:14) So when I started writing the blog, I didn't write it for the general public to read. I had a group of people who knew me personally and had been through similar, if not the same things as I had, and also understood that I had a little bit of an overview that they didn't have of the different sections that they were in. So I had these people asking me questions, and it was a lot of emails, a lot of trying to keep up with each of them and answer all their questions and everything. (2:14 - 2:30) And it was a lot of work for me, and I was busy at the time. So one of them had actually suggested me writing it into an article form, stylizing it a little bit and putting it on a blogger for them. And then that way they could all just kind of access it. (2:30 - 2:41) And if they had questions beyond that, then I could just deal with the questions one on one. But that's how it started. And so it was really intended for about 13 people to read when I started it. (2:41 - 3:03) I think that number got to 20 or 21 by the time it ended. But in the process, it got found by a lot of different truth researchers on the Internet for reasons we don't need to get into. But basically a keyword matched one of the titles of one of the articles that I wrote. (3:04 - 3:22) And so it got picked up and put on forums. And the next thing I knew, it went from 20 people to thousands of people who were reading and following along. So I kind of changed the tone of it once I figured out that more than just my intended audience was reading it. (3:22 - 3:35) And so it did kind of take a little bit of a turn as it went, but it had an end date when I started it. It was really like, these are the topics I'm going to write about. And once that's done, it's done. (3:36 - 3:50) So that was the way that it was all approached. And I never intended to do any interviews or anything like that, because, again, when I first started, of course, I didn't intend anyone to really read it. And even once everybody was reading it, I still didn't really intend to do interviews. (3:51 - 4:32) But I guess I realized that the person, the character that I wrote that blog through isn't necessarily me as a human being and as a person. And that's because it was being taken so seriously and so many people were interested in it. I wanted to show the person behind the character and let people know that it's not as dark as they may have thought and that there was some tangible things that they could apply into the reality based on what they're reading instead of just freaking out about some of the content that was new to them. (4:32 - 4:40) Yeah, awesome. And it's a fascinating blog, definitely. And we'll drop a link in the show notes here for anyone that wants to read that. (4:41 - 4:53) I guess let's bring it back to the basics. So you were raised within Illuminati projects or programs, correct? Yes. Illuminati is a word that we use in this community for them. (4:54 - 5:56) Is that the word you're happy to use going forward? It's the word that I'm happy to use, because we all understand it's like an umbrella group that oversees a bunch of different cults, programs and projects throughout the world. Yeah. Okay. So on a basic level, what goes on in these programs? Well, programs themselves, it's a lot of testing human potential and testing human behavior and a lot of different type of simulations to see, you know, what would happen if you put humans in specific types of situations and how well they could interact with those situations. There's a component of it that's kind of what people think of as a mystery school where they're they're teaching you things that are considered paranormal sciences in the real world. Things about magic, law of attraction as different words that we know to kind of explain that as well as, you know, heighten heightening or nurturing psychic abilities and telepathy and things such as that. (5:58 - 6:37) And then there's the cult aspect of it, which I think more people are a little bit more familiar with because that involves a lot of the like ritualistic stuff that they do, a down that dark road, the rape and the sacrifice and the gross stuff that they do all falls under what I call the cults category. And then projects are something that they kind of you see that come out through, say, like a lot of Freemasonry where they work in community building and things like that. They would influence, say, Hollywood to implement, say, predictive programming and things of that nature, kind of culture steering, if you will. (6:38 - 7:12) So how ancient is this system? How long has it been here and how long have these cults and programs been going for approximately? About 13,000 years, give or take a few years here or there, just to round it to something easy. They have they also have part of their belief system goes back way further than that as well. There's even different categories like they have a frame of reference that goes somewhere between like the 13,000 to the 26,000, 30,000 year mark. (7:12 - 7:34) And then the next step behind that would be about 50,000 years ago. And then some of their oldest stuff goes back even much older than that to around 120,000 years. I just want to say real quickly, we didn't plan this, but you had mentioned that the blog was initially for 13 people and then you just mentioned 13,000 and this just happens to be episode 13. (7:34 - 7:53) Just saying, it wasn't planned. There's no coincidences. I've got so much I could go into, but you're asking me, do you have a question from you? Well, I guess I guess my question, too, is, you know, on your blog as well, you do write, it's a work of fiction and part of a creative writing project. (7:54 - 8:53) The author is not responsible for what readers choose to believe. This is not disclosure or a source of official information. So reasons for writing that also, why would a blog like this, if it was just intended for a smaller audience, why would it still be allowed to go on and go through to share this information? And why are you even allowed to be on this show with us talking about this kind of thing? Well, first of all, I've been out of that for a long time and I have no proof of any of it. So there's no way that I could possibly stand up in front of a court and point fingers at anybody and prove anything. So that's the built in buffer that. I have in terms of that, not a lot of people really do get out, my situation is not unique, but it's kind of a rare situation, somebody brought it up, kind of made the joke that it was similar to like John Wick getting out of his assassin organization. (8:53 - 9:05) Like you kind of do, you make some promises to them, you follow through on those promises. And if you do everything right, you play by the rules and they kind of, you know, let you go. They kind of just, you know, there's nothing actionable I can do to harm them. (9:07 - 9:24) The reason for the disclaimer, I actually put the disclaimer on after we went from the jump from like 20 people to thousands of people. That was when I threw that on because I was aware of the alternative community and how seriously they take this stuff. And I honestly didn't want to be a part of the lore that they create within that. (9:25 - 9:55) I know it's inevitable and I have tried my best to live up to that position with integrity and honesty. I've kind of gone against a lot of the things I said in the blog and saying like, you know, the way that I worded that it's meant to be stylized. Right. So it's not exactly what I mean. I do intend at some point in time in my life when I finally have the time and motivation to go back through it and make all of those things clear. But I've always been open to questions and clarifying things for individuals. (9:55 - 10:12) And I try my best to just in the talks that I do on my own to not erase any of the misconceptions about it, but definitely reframe them so that they make a little bit more sense. And so I think that answers both of those questions. If there's anything I missed, let me know. (10:13 - 10:53) No, no, definitely. Well, Joel, you can you can like ask something different real quickly, but I for some reason feel called to just even just ask you because it's current events like what the fuck is happening right now? Like these and your experience and the things that you know, like these last 16 months, what are they? What's happening? Well, there's a lot of different things in the world that indicate that we should be going through some type of I know people have a lot of different names for it and think about it in different terms, but basically some type of an evolution as a species on this planet. And technology is a big part of that. (10:53 - 11:17) And one thing that the Illuminati has tried their best to do over the last two hundred years or longer is move us farther and further away from magic by kind of discrediting it all and making us believe that it was just hocus pocus. And pushing us towards technology. And so they've been quite successful in that. (11:18 - 11:48) And I think what they're trying to do is kind of steer this evolution in such a way that it leads into what people call transhumanism, our kind of cyborg symbiotic relationship with technology machines. And I think there's a lot of evidence for that in the world. And I think a lot of the different things that, you know, the truth community points to right now, even if you go from like chemtrails or heavy metals and foods or, you know, now nanobots and certain types of materials. (11:48 - 12:39) Right. So not to get too specific to not plug your channel, but I think this is all kind of leading us towards a kind of augmented or drawing a blank on the word, a steered evolution, as opposed to the natural evolution that we should be having, which is where people's concepts of things like ascension and moving to 5D and all that type of like new opening or unveiling and all of that, which I believe is a part of what is happening with us. And I think that the powers that be, if you will, that people who have all these toys are trying to steer that in a way that takes us away from our natural abilities as humans and as individuals and pushes us more into a group of controllable robots, more or less, or making us more compatible with these technologies. (12:39 - 13:05) You think of like organ donation or like limb transplants or anything like that, that they've attempted, the body likes to reject these things. It recognizes it as a foreign body. So if you think about injecting us with technology or all of a sudden implanting us with technology, like say Neuralink or one of these things that are proposed for us, Google eyes, things like that, there's a good possibility our bodies are not going to like it. (13:05 - 13:31) They're going to reject it. And I think that some of this nanotechnology that we're experiencing right now is meant to make us more compatible with that as well as our climate is changing as a result of all of the, because basically what I, from my understanding, what actually spikes evolution is a change in frequency. It's basically the DNA of the planet starts to shift, so we have to kind of go along with it. (13:32 - 14:01) And I think as a result of that, you know, they have to try and control the weather. They have to try and control our awakening, if you will, and steer us back into something that they still do have that, you know, on and off switch control for through technology. And I would say that it's no coincidence that if they want to make us more like in a symbiotic relationship with technology, that the perfect thing to use this, have us fear nature more would be a virus. (14:02 - 14:23) You know, do you think that it seems like the perfect thing to, to have people to be afraid of touching one another, to be in contact with one another, to, to hug, to breathe fresh air, you know, it's not like they said, Oh, a bomb's going to hit the planet. You know, it was, it was there. It seems like it was specific and it goes along with what you're saying, that why this was used as the new, the new weapon. (14:24 - 14:35) Yeah. As well, as well as the weather changes, right? Like, you know, you got to stay inside because you might not be safe outdoors. Air quality is bad. (14:36 - 14:39) Sun quality is bad. All these different things that they're playing these days. Right. (14:40 - 14:58) And knowing from my background, what I'm seeing right now is I'm kind of testing the waters on a bunch of different ideas. Cause again, from my understanding they have a bunch of, they have a plan and a bunch of different ways to get themselves there. And so they'll kind of test different ideas. (15:00 - 15:10) Virus could be an idea. Climate change could be another idea. See what we kind of freak out to the most and then decide which one is better for them to get to where they want to go. (15:11 - 15:32) So I think we're kind of in the middle of that right now, where they're, they're throwing all this information at us just to see how we react and just to see what we really freak out and what we really don't freak out about. And then whatever the next step to get us to that place, which I believe is ultimately transhumanism is we'll be what they do next. I guess. (15:32 - 15:44) Yeah. You know, it's interesting that you said everything you said, because in the truth community, you know, different people will say things like, well, more and more people are waking up. So these Illuminati types, these elites are overplaying their hand. (15:44 - 16:08) So do you think because there were, do you think that's just like bullshit and it's actually not, we're just going to throw everything, but the kitchen sink or in the kitchen sink at everyone and see, see what sticks. I think they anticipated us to be honest. One of the things that I kind of spoke out about very early on was about them wanting to kind of discredit the truth community as well by making it appear crazy. (16:08 - 16:25) And I think a lot of, and when I was talking about the lore that I didn't want to add to that, so that's kind of what I meant. You know, there's a lot of different topics in the truth community. And then there's a lot of different rabbit holes to go down and some are deeper than others, some are a little bit further out into wool and than others. (16:25 - 16:38) Right. So yeah, it can be pretty, pretty easy for people to get on board with like, you know, maybe this was made in a lab, right. As opposed to something that is natural as opposed to, oh, they have clones. (16:39 - 16:44) Right. So that's a big deal for the average person. Exactly. (16:45 - 17:16) Maybe not even that, like more than the average person. And so what I was saying was like, they've kind of created that jump, right. And they've, they've accepted that they've made that far extreme, even deeper than it's supposed to be, or could be, or should be naturally so that they have that to point at when, you know, people are trying to give alternative health news or people are trying to, you know, talk about whether or not it was made in a lab or whether that that kind of thing, something that is at that level of conspiracy. (17:18 - 17:41) And then I think when I saw QAnon coming along, I saw that as like the other side of the plan, or at least targeting the other side of that audience, where it was like, they were throwing out all these false predictions and getting people to really, really believe in them and talk about them and spread the information all over the internet. And then when, you know, someone comes along and wants to talk about conspiracy theory, it's, it's crazy talk. Right. (17:41 - 17:52) And like, I'm, I'm automatically not going to listen to you because I heard about that Q shit. You're talking about Q, right. And, and then I said, the evolution from that would end up being that they can criminalize conspiracy theorists. (17:53 - 18:19) And what did they do after like, you know, the, the Capitol riot, they made all those domestic terrorists. Exactly. So that's, that's kind of like when, when I speak out against either side of that, like whether it's someone making outlandish claims to make money or whether it's someone making outlandish claims to keep everyone just believing that some savior is going to come along and ascend to them or take them away in the rapture or something like that. (18:20 - 18:41) Um, I feel a need to speak out about it. And I felt the same thing with Q where I was just like, okay, this is the other side of that, where you guys are taking something that's real and you're backing it with all these like crazy predictions and stuff that couldn't possibly be happening. Like, I remember reading one, one day where it was like, Justin Trudeau was arrested at 5 30 AM and then it's 1 30 PM and he's on my TV. (18:41 - 18:51) You know, it's, uh, there has to be some real world results to the things that these people are making claims about. And I think the same goes for me. Right. (18:51 - 19:37) So that's, uh, that's why I've tried to, you know, make some clarifications on these subjects for people, because it's, it is a dangerous slope and it's really easy for someone who came through the position that I came through to really take advantage of people. So, yeah. So in, in, in your view, just, just to clear it, um, you think that, um, for example, Trump wields no benefit whatsoever, whether he's in office or not, is, is it merely just two sides of the same game, um, as many would assume or what, what, what, what, what's your perspective on, on that hand that is being played? Definitely that, that it's, you know, it doesn't really matter who the poster boy is for any of these governments, really. (19:37 - 20:14) I think that they're, you know, that, that, that concept we hear of, of like the new world order, the one world government, I'm pretty sure that that's been in place for since the beginning, you know, and I think that this division was created so that it adds to the illusion of choice, you know, and, um, so, yeah, I don't think that that mattered matters at all, other than, um, it kind of, when I was talking about the different plans that they may have, um, it might be easier to pull one of those off if Trump's in place and if Biden's in place, just as an arbitrary example, right. Yeah. But we have other plans for, to use if Biden's the one in that place. (20:15 - 20:24) Yep. Yeah. Like, I mean, to anyone with discerning eyes, there's seems to be no doubt that transhumanism is the overarching agenda, right. (20:24 - 20:50) To have us so completely disconnected from anything, life, anything natural. And the opposing force is so obviously anti-life and anti-nature. But my, my question is this, how can you, how can you choke nature? How, how, how can you submerge nature? Like where is, do you think there's a point where this is actually doable to control this, this force, um, that we, that we can call nature? No, I don't. (20:50 - 21:10) I think that that's where they're gravely mistaken and always have been. It's like, I think that's where their, their ego self is really, you know, at the surface now and it could end up being their downfall in the end, depending on how the cards all get played. Um, either way, nature's always going to figure it stuff out and it's going to take over whatever. (21:10 - 21:51) It doesn't matter what we do to her as I like to call our planet. Um, yeah, she, she could shake her shoulders and get rid of us anytime she wants to, like we're really not, she knows that we're not, you know, worth dying for if you want to put it that way. So, um, I don't think they'll ever, and I see them struggling to control nature and to control the weather and to control all of these things, and they're doing a lot more harm than good, both within people can try and try to control the nature of humans, as well as trying to control the nature of the weather, the nature of, uh, waters, um, or nature of the way trees grow or any of the different stuff that they've been messing with without us knowing for a long time. (21:52 - 22:06) And I mean, it doesn't take long for nature to take things back when we're not in the way. Right. So, um, I don't think that it's, it's ever really going to get to that point where we do so much damage to our planet that the planet doesn't recover. (22:06 - 22:21) I think that if we do too much damage to the planet, we don't recover. And, um, you know, whether, you know, whichever you value is more important there, I'll leave that up to everyone's own personal feelings or opinions. But, uh, I, I think you're right. (22:21 - 22:37) Like there that's, that's going to be the end, that's going to be the one thing that they'll never be able to truly control and they can convince us to do it for them. That's about it. They can convince us to give away our true nature to the machine, if you will. (22:37 - 22:43) I like to give it up to technology, but that all comes down to choice too. Right. So, yeah. (22:44 - 23:08) You know, I really want to, um, explore this idea of they, you hear, you hear it all the time and everyone in the truth community, alternative research community, they're doing this, they're doing that, they, they, they. So it's like, who are they? And you, in your blog, you talk about the structure. You talk about the Draco and the parents and the covens and projects. (23:08 - 23:23) And so talk about that a little bit. Well, I mean, at this point in time, it's a lot of humans that have had this structure created for them by intelligences that are not human. Let's just leave it at that. (23:23 - 23:41) But, uh, and a lot of the reason why they're having it's, you know, people might say that they, we're waking up. So they're having a hard time holding onto things. It can appear that way because they're not used to running things the way that they have had to over the last 50 years, maybe a little bit longer than that. (23:41 - 23:46) Um, without let's call it outside help. Got it. Right. (23:46 - 24:06) So, um, those structures, the people at the top of that, and again, like these aren't, you know, the people that you see in the public sector, like it's not the Donald Trumps, it's people who, you know, you're not going to read about history books ever, you're not going to find an internet presence for them. Like they're not talked about. You're not going to see them at pictures of parties. (24:06 - 24:11) Like they've been running things in their own little world for long enough. Now that they don't need to do that. That wasn't always true. (24:11 - 24:47) Like if you go back far enough in history, um, you know, mutual respected person of ours is like Michael DeSerrion, who's done a really good job of going back to that and back in those days, like, yeah, they were still written into history books and they still were included in society, but they realized that eventually that's going to have to stop. And, um, you know, they slowly started phasing themselves out in terms of the people with the most power, uh, occupying positions of power. So people like Bill Gates and Fauci and Schwab and all, they're just the higher level pawns. (24:48 - 24:52) Yes. The highest relative to the average, the common person, you know? Yeah. Yeah. (24:53 - 25:12) And, and, and still like they're, you know, as much as Bill Gates may be gross, he's still just acting on someone else's behalf. So how'd you become the keeper of secrets? I mean, I don't laugh to him. Like, I'm just, I'm just so curious. (25:12 - 25:25) Like, I love that name. Um, is that it was about, so like I was saying, there's a bunch of different programs, there's a bunch of different projects, a bunch of different cults involved. One thing that they had done with me was kind of give me an overview of them. (25:25 - 25:39) And they didn't do this with a lot of people. A lot of people were very like narrowed into whatever their cult was, whatever their program was, whatever the project was. And in order for me to get that overview and interact with them, I had to be a really good at keeping secrets. (25:39 - 25:58) So that's, uh, that's what it was is I'm, you know, I'm very good at keeping secrets. If I need to be in a place in my life where I do my best to ever, ever, ever have to keep a secret. I try to be as transparent about anything, but I mean, if you as a friend were to come to me with a secret, your secret would be safe with me. (25:58 - 26:08) But, um, in terms of world secrets anymore, I'm not playing that game with that for, for anybody again. But yeah. Well, if I do tell you a secret one day and you share it, dude, I'm taking that title away from you, man. (26:08 - 26:11) I'll just deal. You don't get it anymore, man. I'm deleting. (26:11 - 26:19) I wouldn't deserve it. I probably don't deserve it anymore. But when I was, when I was younger, I did, I was very good at that. (26:20 - 26:23) Um, let's, let's play a game. Yes or no questions. Flat earth. (26:23 - 26:29) Yes or no? No. Moon natural or synthetic. Synthetic. (26:30 - 26:34) Ooh. Okay. You just opened up a can of worms. (26:34 - 26:49) So, you know, in terms of flatter, it just feels like in the last few years, that's growing even more as a movement in the truth community. And I'm going to be the first one to say, I have not gone down any rabbit holes relative to that, relative to that. My intuition says one thing. (26:49 - 27:08) Um, but I know people that I admire and that I respect in a lot of different areas who have gone down that and have adopted that as their worldview. And so I'd love for you to chat about that a little bit, because, um, that's, it feels like it's, it's like one of the things you just said before, where. People get lumped into a certain category. (27:08 - 27:20) So if you talk about natural health, if you talk about one thing, it's like, well, whatever your flatter, you know, it's like, it's the word that's used to discredit and make everyone a tinfoil hat, conspiracy theorists, et cetera. Yeah. I don't, uh, I don't believe that the earth is flat. (27:20 - 27:49) I, um, I got really interesting because of what I was talking about earlier, actually about me understanding that there was going to be a lot of disinformation programs run through our community. Um, when I would see one that I kind of understood or I remembered or I knew, um, I would kind of focus in on it. I would want to learn everything I could about it just so that I could, uh, kind of play devil's advocate with people who believed it, if you know what I mean? Like, I want to know why they believe it, um, well enough that I can explain to them why it's not that way. (27:49 - 28:19) Right. Um, and I mean, this is, would just open another can of worms, but I think a lot of the things that perceptional or perceptions, uh, lead us to believe that the earth may be flat has to do with us being in an unnatural environment or what you might call a simulation. Um, I know people who've made video games and it's really hard to program, like, you know, regular 3d physics into a video game, right? And therefore every world is flat in a sandbox. (28:20 - 28:37) So, um, personally, I think that's where some of the anomalies that, you know, maybe can't be explained away, uh, do come from, but for the most part, you know, we don't all understand science. And so we can't all just go based on just our perceptions all the time. Right. (28:38 - 28:55) And, uh, I think when it comes to physics, especially astrophysics, that's one of those places where, you know, trusting the experts, at least a little bit could do us some good. Um, whereas a lot of the people in that community don't seem to, like they've kind of thrown the baby out with the bathwater in terms of trusting anybody. Right. (28:55 - 29:12) So, um, to me, it's completely preposterous. I don't understand how, I mean, if you really want to understand that concept, go take a deep dive into, into astro-theology, you know what I mean? Look at, look at the true meaning of the polar axis and the polar axis tilt and the precession of the equinoxes. And there's just no possibility that you can come out of that and be like, okay, yeah, the earth's flat. (29:13 - 29:23) Just, yeah. That doesn't make sense. And just in a lot of other different things that I've interacted with, just tell me that like, it's just not possible and it's not true. (29:24 - 30:12) So, but it's, it's an interesting, you know, again, it's one of like, like you even pointed out that it's, uh, one of those things that are put in front of us to take something to an extreme, you know, like, uh, there's a lot of things that you would come through if you went down a flat earth, um, rabbit hole, so to speak, that are useful, like questioning authority, like actually questioning is what NASA has shown us the truth, you know, are they telling us the truth about everything? What are they keeping from us? Why are they keeping it from us? Those types of questions are very valuable. But if it may require someone to have the conclusion in the head that the earth is flat in order to, to do that, I'm not so happy about that conclusion. So I like this yes or no game, um, that you started Joel. (30:13 - 30:32) Um, so moon landing real or video created by, created by, uh, Stanley Kubrick. Well, maybe a combination of both. You know, sometimes things don't go to schedule, but you still need to show someone something. (30:33 - 30:38) So you might want to film something on a soundstage just in case. Gotcha. Okay. (30:38 - 30:51) Well, you mentioned the word, so simulation, yes or no? Personal feeling is yes. Yeah. But like simulation in what? Like the matrix movie kind of thing or very similar. (30:51 - 31:06) Yes. Well, I've, I've listened to the entire Requiem for a Machine series. So I do have a bit of a backstory here, which all of our listeners, um, won't, but so basically what comes out of that is that we're living within a replay. (31:06 - 31:10) Right. Yeah. Kind of like an interactive movie. (31:10 - 31:52) Yeah. Um, where certain things are kind of on the rails in terms of like, you know, this is going to happen to have this effect kind of like planned cause and but the actual details of the cause, um, can change. Uh, yeah, I mean, again, it's, uh, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, I did that series because I do believe it and, um, and other people that I know very well also did and had asked me to, to spell it all out in that way, so I did, and, um, I, I prefer that people don't listen to it, you know, I would, I have not, not because I feel like I sound stupid or anything like that. (31:52 - 32:07) I just mean like, I would, I would much rather have people believe that they are in the natural environment and that none of that is true. Um, I don't think that it matters whether I'm right or wrong. And, um, yeah, I, I, I, I don't even like my own idea. (32:08 - 32:55) So last one, if we're talking matrix, are we all in stasis pods right now? Um, if I'm right about the rest of it, then yes, we would be. How do we, so how do I unplug bro? Like where's the red pill? Well, I mean, I think that that's at this point in time, you know, the end of our movie, our own personal movies, um, which I, you know, I don't want to, I'm going to say it now, but I didn't just want to say death because, you know, there's going to be one or two people that would be like, oh, I want out of the matrix. And so that seems, you know, and I never want to, uh, I never want to encourage that as a matter of fact, and I, you know, if you, if you do end up watching the series, you'll hear me say it like for the people who have kind of encountered it on their own, or kind of felt like this might be the case on their own. (32:55 - 33:09) Um, watching that series is actually very empowering. Whereas for people who, you know, don't feel that way or haven't already come to that conclusion on their own, it can seem disempowering. So that's why I kind of don't recommend it. (33:09 - 33:27) That's why I don't, I never promote like my own stuff, right? Like I'll, I'll promote your show, but I don't promote my own really. So it's, uh, one of those things where I'd like, I'm going to put this out here and I would prefer if people could just take their own responsibility for it. I'm happy to explain, like answer any questions like I'm doing now. (33:29 - 33:46) Um, but yeah, I think that, uh, at the end of the day, it's, uh, shouldn't change how you live your life. So your goal should still be the same regardless of whether I'm correct or not. So again, and I'm just curious. (33:46 - 34:29) I like just having this conversation and seeing where it goes, but like, okay. So I, my life ends, I die a long life and my spirit, what's that? A soul spirit incarnation. Do I get like, what, what do you think? Again, I'm curious what you're, what do you think happened? Does the idea of incarnation in the way that we've learned it through different spiritual traditions, accurate, or is it just more hogwash? No, I believe it is accurate, especially that that is the organic world, right? Is that you would go into, I know there's lots of different worlds, words for it, but, uh, the terminology I always use for it as though we live incarnation for planet earth and, um, you know, you've probably heard things of like life reviews and then looking back over your experience there, that all happens. (34:29 - 34:48) And then from there you can choose to incarnate here again or in another realm. Um, and so many of us, if not all of us have probably had experiences incarnating all over the place. So that's, you know, feeds into our memories at times and it feeds into our art at times and it feeds into a lot of different things here at times. (34:49 - 35:02) But, um, yeah. So if, if in an organic setting, I believe that's the way it works. And, uh, that's definitely what, on what I was raised on, um, was that the soul is not something that is contained by the body. (35:02 - 35:17) It exists at multiple levels that, uh, we can't even perceive while in the body. It just happens to have the ability to attach itself to DNA, essentially, to drive these cars that we call bodies. I love it. (35:18 - 35:29) I love it. I just need to sit with that for a second. So at some point in time, we all chose to be here to have this experience. (35:31 - 35:52) Yes. And did we, did we have, uh, did we have insight as to what this experience might entail as to what the challenges might be? Yeah, I think we maybe not because there's other people having experiences in here and their experiences are probably going to bump into us. So some things will kind of happen, you know, call that randomly. (35:52 - 36:10) I like to use the word happenstance. Um, some things will happen. Um, that maybe weren't intended or weren't in plan for, or, uh, taken into account, but it's still, um, I think that the way that we set up our incarnations, it's still not outside of a realm of possibility that we're, we've accepted. (36:10 - 36:29) When we choose to incarnate and that's a hard thing, you know, it's maybe not so hard for the three of us, but I mean, obviously if you were in a third world country right now and you heard me say that you'd be like, fuck you, dude, sorry for swearing on a show. But yeah, like, you know, that guy, I understand that. I don't think we'll get taken off, um, big tech platforms for that. (36:29 - 36:50) Maybe for the conversation we're having, but not this curse word. Um, but yeah, I think that, uh, I think that that's a lot of how it works is you kind of, you know, kind of like choosing a video game character to go play, you know, like creating your own avatar or your own, uh, the name in an RPG avatars. Yeah. (36:51 - 37:00) Yeah. I'm so curious about that. Cause lately I've been having this conversation with people around like, well, yeah, you, you create this soul contract and so you, you know, what's going to happen or to some degree. (37:01 - 37:40) And it just made me think about that because, uh, a few weeks ago, one of my closest friends was, uh, was murdered and, um, and you know, the human part of me obviously has gone through, you know, just waves of emotions and navigating what you would do when someone close to you and you care about passes, but then there's that part of me that like understands or at least wants to understand and believe the things that we're talking about right now that like his soul, like that was an agreement that he made on some level. So it makes me feel like I, it gives me peace, but then it also is like, what the fuck, I don't know. I just wanted to share that. (37:41 - 38:10) Cause it's, uh, I think a lot of it is that from our soul level, our perception is just infinitely more, um, nuanced than it is from playing within these brains. Right. And I think that there's certain things that we can't grasp because of the emotions that we feel while we're living at it, you know, like how could murder possibly be good? You know, like that's a, that's a very valid question, but maybe from some higher level of perception, there is a purpose and a reason for it. (38:11 - 38:29) Right. And, and maybe it does do some good in a bigger game that we can't see. So I think a lot of that plays into why some people might not like that idea that we, you know, kind of choose our destiny, so to speak, before we even end up going through it. (38:30 - 38:46) But the, for me, I feel like, um, the concept of free will isn't, isn't diminished by that. I feel like we always have free will. Even if that were the case of that's you exercising your free will to choose that scenario in the very first place. (38:46 - 38:52) Right. So the, the foundation of the entire experience was you having free will. And I said, that's what I was saying. (38:52 - 39:14) Like, I think that like, there's kind of milestones that we hit that are important for our development and important for our, our time here. But I don't think that like every choice we make along the way was predetermined either. I think that we, we've set ourselves up with scenarios that we can, we can interact with, like, um, you know, exactly, exactly. (39:15 - 39:34) And I think that depending on it, kind of like the choose your own adventure series, you know, um, like you were depending on what your choices are. Yeah. And depending on what your choices are along the way, it might shift the outcome, but you've already been able to look at all of those different outcomes anyways, and understand that you can accept all of them. (39:35 - 40:38) And so therefore your free will along the way can steer you to one or the other, or maybe none of them, maybe it ends up creating something new and who knows, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of possibility out there. And I think, uh, you know, it's, it's kind of a problem for humans that we, we think kind of narrowly in this way. Um, when I say problem, I just mean, I think that we cause ourselves a lot more emotional pain than we need to, uh, based on our lack of understanding and, uh, you know, going back to the other part of the conversation, it was actually the thing that I had to do for them was work for this paranormal, um, let's call it like a group, like we, we would go around and we would collect, you know, ghost stories and we would collect actual evidence of the afterlife and, uh, they would tell us that, you know, the reason why we were doing this was because they wanted to create a reeducation package for schools where they put all this information in schools and just taught, you know, kids, when they go to school, Hey, like when you die, like, you know, shit happens, you're not just dead, you know, and, uh, here's a bunch of evidence. (40:38 - 40:46) Here's a bunch of video. Here's a bunch of audio. Here's a bunch of things that we can show you to, uh, to teach you about this and prove that to you. (40:47 - 41:23) And so for a few years, I worked to that end all to find out that really, they just wanted all the information and all the evidence so they could shove it somewhere where nobody would ever find it. Right. And, um, that was kind of my John wick moment of realizing that I had just had my blood oath called in, if you know what I mean, so, yeah, well, I feel like we see little pieces of that that come out into the mainstream, even in terms of this idea of past lives, where you have like a four year old who literally is like, this was my name and this is how I died and this is this and this is that, and then they go back and it literally matches, like you can track that back with an actual person. (41:23 - 41:34) So I find that to be really fascinating. So I go, okay, well, is this part of the simulation and where it's like, they didn't fully erase the memory of someone in the new character, uh, the new avatar. So it's just, I don't know. (41:35 - 41:50) I'm just, I'm just like thinking out loud. The simulation would be. If such a simulation exists, it would be mimicking the organic, right? So it'd be looking at all the rules and parameters of planet earth and how it deals with souls and all of that. (41:50 - 42:00) And it would have to basically mimic all of those things. So it would have to be able to mimic ghosts. It would have to be able to mimic souls or, um, any properties associated with that. (42:00 - 42:17) Like say like, what are these telepathy, anything like that? Um, even like say cryptos or like, uh, strange creatures, stuff like that. It would need to be able to, it would mimic all of this stuff. So, um, if there is a mimic and if there is a simulation, it's simply overlaid over the organic, right? It's yeah. (42:18 - 42:46) And it's again, like just a, just a rip off of it, you know? And I think that's where like, you know, some of our glitch like anomalies that we observe, especially now that like, uh, everyone's got a phone and, um, mass communication is available, you hear about it more and more of like, you know, uh, this plane in the sky just all of a sudden stopped. And just kind of, it was just kind of there for five minutes and then continued flying off. Like none of that had even happened or like the birds stop. (42:46 - 43:08) Like there's videos and stuff like that. And I think like there's, there's certain amounts of that that does happen. And, um, that's to me kind of some of the stuff that I think are lead to the simulation theory, um, Seeming evidence, or at least, uh, like seems like evidence towards something like that going on. (43:09 - 43:56) And that would make sense if that is the case because, um, you know, what machine has ever been perfect, right? So like, not even the human machine is always perfect, right? So, so I kind of want to go back again, cause I'm just fascinated by your story. You know, you were born into this family and you were involved with all these different projects. And I'm curious, like, were you identified as someone with like certain abilities, high IQ in order to be placed in a certain position versus someone else? And then being involved with all this that you're speaking about and that you've spoken about on the blog, what was it that made you go? Nah, I don't want to continue on this. (43:57 - 44:21) I want to go live a quote unquote, normal life as normal as it can be. And my, my answer for your second question, maybe totally forget your first question. But, um, but, um, I had, I had, I had a kid and, um, the possibility of my child having to go through the things that I went through was just not something I could have. (44:21 - 44:40) You know, like I couldn't, I couldn't feel okay with that. Um, Oh, that's, that was what the other question was, was like kind of why I was selected. It does have a lot to do with, you know, my, my predisposed natural abilities or my natural understanding of things. (44:40 - 44:55) Um, something that I'm just very good at, it seems is getting other people to talk. I can typically get people to kind of tell me their whole life story very easily. And I can get, uh, people feel comfortable with me. (44:55 - 45:16) I like, even it's very rare that I can't have a civil conversation, even if I really don't like someone. You know what I mean? So, or if it's, um, someone who has a lot of power over me, I don't tend to treat them any different than someone who has no power over me. So, um, I treat everybody with kind of the same baseline of love and respect. (45:18 - 45:31) Um, I'm human. So, you know, I have my own triggers, my own buttons that you can push, but especially when I was younger, uh, I was very good at controlling all of those. So, uh, that was a lot of what I was used for. (45:31 - 46:03) If you want to put it that way, um, what they utilized me for was like communicating with people or, uh, mediate difficult conversations or, um, be the first person to interact with, uh, an individual that maybe doesn't want to interact with anybody. Right. So, um, I've had different people describe it to me, like a word that, uh, a friend used recently, and I, they used to always say with solace is that I create a feeling of solace and people when I'm talking to them and, uh, that gets people pretty open with me. (46:03 - 46:21) And so, um, I was really good at say, you know, getting confessions out of people or, um, you know, getting people to admit to something they had done that they didn't want to admit to. And so that was one of the things that I was kind of utilized for that I have natural skills in. It's good to know. (46:21 - 46:30) Um, Joel, if you and I ever get into a disagreement and we're upset with each other, we're going to call Shane. Okay. Just so you know, I'd be happy to do it. (46:30 - 46:40) Thank you. Well, I was thinking the preface for the question was why don't you have the special abilities? Oh, why don't I listen, dude? I do. I just don't like to talk about them. (46:40 - 46:44) Okay. Well, I think everybody does. It's just different degrees of it. (46:44 - 47:37) And I think what ends up happening is like, they'll identify like a child with like a heightened predisposition to it and they'll choose them to nurture that ability as where like a lot of, a lot of people have it, you know, knocked out of them as opposed to nurture, um, you know, people like myself who went through these programs, projects, and calls, we had that aspect of our nature nurtured. So, so I, for some reason I keep thinking, I don't know if it's, maybe I read it on your blog, but I just keep thinking of like the born trilogy, like born movies, and I just makes me think of like, again, are other people that have been in your position? Like, are there, is there certain projects or things that they go through where their memory is like erased in terms of what they can, what they know and what they can share if they do somehow get out or they're allowed to leave or, again, I'm just like kind of fascinated with the nuts and bolts around that. And if you want to talk about that, please do. (47:38 - 47:47) Well, yeah, there's, there's, um, a lot of truth to that. Like that's the most common thing. Um, obviously like, you know, option a is just take them out, kill them, get rid of them. (47:48 - 48:00) Um, option B would be to erase it and let them go live a regular life somewhere. Um, hope that they never remember. And then, um, an option like mine is kind of rare, but they get something that they want out of it. (48:00 - 48:24) So, um, it works and, uh, like I'm not doing any harm to them. Like there's, you know, like they're half of your audience is probably laughing at me in a way, you know what I mean? So that's, that's kind of what I expect when it comes to the greater, you know, like the mainstream, like, I'm never going to go on the news and talk about this stuff, right? Cause first of all, I am a sane person. So I realized how insane this all sounds. (48:25 - 48:40) And, uh, therefore I wouldn't do that. Um, what I try to do is try to, you know, bring it into some regular context for people so that it's not as crazy. Like, and that's because a lot of people make it sound crazier than it is. (48:40 - 48:52) You know, um, there's like different concepts, like, like the secret space program and people being out there fighting space aliens and stuff like that. Right. And there's not a lot of truth to that. (48:53 - 49:30) Um, a lot of the technology that they used to make people believe stuff like that is coming out into the mainstream right now, like, um, how they've, you know, they're releasing technology where they can talk to people in their dreams and they can create specific, like stylized dreamscapes and, uh, things like that, um, being able to induce dreamscapes through the use of like DMT based drugs and things like that is that's kind of what they've been doing in these programs. When I said they were testing people's abilities to do different things. A lot of it was run in very, very, very convincing simulations where people believed something was going on. (49:30 - 49:54) That wasn't really going on. And, um, unfortunately people getting out of there and not remember, not knowing that part of it or not realizing that part of it is what leads to a lot of the lore that I've spoke about where, um, well, you know, they, they come out and they have these ideas of fighting ETS and space and, and blowing up ships and all of this stuff. And so they talk about that publicly. (49:55 - 50:26) And then anybody who did go through these things and did manage to get out you know, ends up speaking publicly, um, has a really hard time with it because they, they have to kind of battle all of this other, other speakers and other things that people have said. And, you know, going back to the way that I came forward, um, even when I was writing the blog and, um, it was, you know, people had noticed that it became the thousands of people reading it. Even at that point. (50:26 - 50:51) Uh, the only reason anybody knew who I was was because of this little personal spat that I had with David Wilcock and Corey good from if you've ever watched them on TV, um, because David had asked me to do the cosmic disclosure thing. And I just refused because I knew where it was going to be taken. Um, and then, uh, through that, like I, you know, I, I knew Corey before and after. (50:51 - 51:01) So once I heard the final version of that story, I had to say something. I'm like, no, this is not true. And like, I have Skype messages between the three of us that can show that this is untrue. (51:01 - 51:19) And so I had kind of done that, but that's the problem, right? Is that, uh, you know, and I get asked this question about that particular individual all the time. Like maybe he believes what he's saying. I don't believe that he does, but there are people out there who are saying similar things that do believe what they're saying and they have every reason to. (51:20 - 51:49) Um, I'm sure you guys have both looked into the human mind more than just a little bit and understand like kind of how impressionable it is, um, and how, you know, write a bullet is like, you can, you can write memories into people. You can, you can gaslight people into believing just about anything you want them to believe if that's what you want to do, um, through MK ultra style programming as well, like you can, you can do whatever you really want with a person if you have enough access to them. So, so again, that's another phrase we hear so often in the truth community. (51:49 - 51:55) MK ultra people just throw it around. It's MK ultra the person that celebrity Britney Spears, MK ultra. And it's like, well, okay. (51:55 - 52:48) What is it? What exactly is it? What, what, uh, programs or what things would, what rituals would be in place to MK ultra someone? Well, it's, uh, you know, the basis of MK ultra is like, you know, splitting the brain into various alters, creating, you know, basically DID in humans or dissociative identity disorder in humans, and then programming the different alters to do different things, or at least teaching them to do different things or just, uh, uh, trying to mold the personalities as they're developed. So you, it's, you know, there's a natural process where a person goes through a lot of trauma and then there's the unnatural process where you cause a lot of trauma. And then while they're in that traumatized state, give them, uh, various types of symbology, put them through different types of, you know, experiences, um, make them watch, you know, uh, clockwork orange style, listen to the same song and watch it. (52:48 - 52:57) Watch all this, you know, that type of thing is MK ultra. And it is kind of like a blanket term now for, you know, trauma-based mind control. Right. (52:57 - 53:13) But, um, but that's what it is, is trauma-based mind control. And it's just that, you know, they, the MK ultra that we read about, like that was the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, you don't think they didn't put that to bed. They just got a lot better at it. (53:13 - 53:25) Right. So, um, now it's like kind of a, a cultural thing that kind of have us all MK altered, if you will. But even the term MK ultra, I put that on the same, you know, category that I put like the word Illuminati. (53:26 - 53:31) It's just a word that we can use to sum up a concept real quick and easy for people. Cool. Yeah. (53:31 - 53:37) And I'm happy that you said that. Cause I was just curious about that. Cause again, it's a thing that you hear often, but, uh, I liked the way you put it for sure. (53:38 - 53:46) Yeah. Well, the thing is now all like all programming through any media is just blanketed as MK ultra or any, any, any conditioning. Um, exactly. (53:47 - 53:55) Yeah, exactly. And then it just makes it sound more extreme than it is. I shouldn't say worse, but it makes it sound more extreme than it is in a lot of cases. (53:56 - 54:03) Yeah. But there, there, there is a manipulation obviously taking place, but it might not be as extreme as that specific exercise, I guess. Um, yeah. (54:04 - 54:39) So what, uh, what in your opinion are the primary solutions for any human to embody to counter these forces of control? Oh, a lot of questioning, like obviously, um, getting in touch with yourself spiritually, so to speak, and getting yourself, you know, my embodied soul kind of in line in alignment is where you need to start, because if any of that's off, then you're very, it's very easy to manipulate you. Right. And, um, that's more or less everything we're talking about in terms of like mind control, like you're being manipulated. (54:40 - 55:17) So the best thing to do is like understand how the mind works and understand how your body and your soul work together and create your reality in the way that it does, and therefore learn how to control it as well. Like being able to know why you feel certain ways about things so that when those feelings pop up, you know how to manage yourself through them. Obviously we're never going to be perfect, but, um, that's a big part of it is just always trying to maintain some sort of balance within yourself so that when these different information sources come in, you're not pushed one way or another and you're making more, um, objective choices, you're making more rational, balanced choices. (55:19 - 55:43) Uh, otherwise they're going to push your emotions all over the place and bully you into this corner. Like, you know, shame you into that corner and all of that. So, uh, know thyself as that old phrase, right? Just, just understand where your weaknesses are so that when someone comes along or something comes along that plays on them, you, you know, you kind of catch yourself before a mistake has made couldn't agree more. (55:43 - 56:11) And that's, I mean, that's, that's the primary benefit that I've got understood of using the divination arts to know myself better is, you mean, we tend to avoid our shadow and avoid our challenges, but understanding where, where we're weakest is actually primary to, I mean, really, really understanding the truth of that, those two words, which is know thyself. Um, yeah, definitely. And yeah, it's like the, the reason why they have the power over us, they seem to have, it's because they know us better than we know ourselves. (56:11 - 56:29) And so the best way to counter that would be to get to know ourselves really well. Right. And, um, you know, get to understand others, you know, really kind of boost up empathy with other people so that you're not shying away from the darker aspects of others or yourself, but like really kind of diving into those things. (56:29 - 56:59) Why are they there? How can we fix this? You know, that, that has been such a big, huge, big, huge, huge, big part of my journey. Um, is that like, I don't know what it is that was built into me, like even back in the days, like when I started my journey and like my twenties and as an actor, like I really enjoyed kind of exploring these parts of myself, you know, and, and dancing with the darkness you can say, and, and, um, I don't know, it's just been a really interesting journey. You know, I don't, I don't shy away from it. (56:59 - 57:20) You know what I mean? Of course there's times I do, but in general, I've been really curious about that and other people and myself. And I feel like it's, it's supported me having more compassion too, because I can be super self-righteous. I don't, not that, but having more compassion because it's like, I know it within myself, so I see it externally and I go, okay, well, you know, I know that I'm capable of that. (57:20 - 57:24) You know, I've met that part of me. I've had dialogue with that part of me. I've tapped in. (57:24 - 57:43) And, um, I think that's also another reason why it's easier to see things happening in the world. And because I know that in me, you know what I mean? You can only meet the darkness in the world as far as you met the darkness within yourself. And this is the entire dichotomy or the purpose of the great hermetic axiom as above. (57:43 - 57:59) So below as within, so without, right. Um, which is obviously something that we speak about often, but yeah, man, definitely an individual's willingness to know their own darkness is that's that that's growth right there, right. You can only extend that as far as you're willing to dive in. (57:59 - 58:47) Um, how do we, as, as, as, as a collective where, how do we, how do we counter this, this shit show that's, that's taking place right now? Um, where do you see this going? Is, is that, is, is Babylon just falling? Is the old system just going the way it's going? Is there possibility for those stepping outside? How, how's that growth going to look for you? Is there going to be breakaway civilizations? Is there, what is it? I think that's, well, I think that the breakaway civilization may be people more like the three of us than, you know, the, the elites going that way. Right. Like I think that, I think that technology is going to about to take over in a hurry that we're going to be pushed a lot more into staying home and going to virtual reality than going out and actually doing human things. (58:47 - 59:15) And I think that, you know, there's going to be people like myself who are not going to want to stay home and go into virtual reality. So, um, I think that's where the breakaway civilizations start to form and, uh, it's already kind of happening, you know, I think because of the state of the world right now, a lot of people are kind of coming together, looking for self-sustaining options, trying to get off grid, so to speak a little bit more because of what's going on already. And because I don't think that this is changing anytime soon. (59:15 - 59:23) I think it's just going to get like. Call it worse or at least a little bit more severe. Um, I think that more people are going to be pushed to do that. (59:23 - 59:49) So, um, I do think for a long period of time, we will have a situation where there's kind of two different versions of society, the one that's kind of following the transhuman agenda and the one that kind of steps away from it. And then where that leads in the future, like I can really only speculate based on previous models. My idea is probably that like, you know, the, the breakaway civilization that is us will probably reproduce at a much slower rate than the other one. (59:49 - 1:00:07) So, you know, we, we might eventually just kind of, I don't want to say die off, but like, um, fade out. And, um, you know, who knows, like you, you can have all the ideas that you have in your head, but just because you have all those ideas and all those beliefs doesn't mean your children are going to hold them. Right. (1:00:07 - 1:00:13) And it doesn't necessarily mean really what you show your child. You can't necessarily make them hold those beliefs. Right. (1:00:13 - 1:00:21) So you, you never know what could also happen. Like you children from that breakaway civilization could wake up one day and be like, yeah, I'm going back to transhuman, but I'll see you guys. Right. (1:00:21 - 1:00:42) And so, and I think that that, uh, is a lot more likely than not. And so I don't know how long it'll last is basically I'm over explaining why I don't know how long it'll last, whether it's two different versions of society, but I do think for a long time, it will be that way. And, um, you know, for the people who really don't like the idea of all this technology, then they're probably really happy to hear that. (1:00:43 - 1:01:04) But, uh, like, yeah, I don't think, I think this is where humans go next is this, you know, pairing ourselves with technology. And, um, enhancing things like AI and enhancing things like virtual reality and all of those different components that will eventually lead to a matrix. One day. (1:01:04 - 1:01:17) Oops. Did I say that out loud? Cause I was just about to say, like, so people are either going to have the choice to be like, Whoa, and no Kung Fu or not like to have to spend 15 or 20 years learning Kung Fu. Yeah. (1:01:17 - 1:01:34) Kind of thing. And then, I mean, like, you just imagine the problems that could arise and that I'll be, I'll use the having a child example again, you know, dad, I don't want to take 15 years to learn Kung Fu. I could go get implanted into my mind, like tomorrow, you know, like, what are you going to say to your child? And that's what they have to say. (1:01:34 - 1:01:58) Explain all you want, but like, they could end up presenting you like, you know, people will rebel against parents just for the sake of it, depending on their, their, their various archetypical makeup rates. So. I guess I'm curious here too, within that implant against this is again, this is hypothetical, but would the program be that you have gone through the blood, sweat and tears? Like, like, how do you just know that? You know what I mean? Like, this is where I go. (1:01:58 - 1:02:20) Like, can they, will you have memories and experiences of like day one in training when you like broke your hand, trying to break a wood board? Well, I think that that technology isn't very far off. And I think they're already kind of exampling it to us. So I think that we'll have that answer probably within your lifetime, to be honest, as to what that feels like. (1:02:20 - 1:02:40) And I'm curious if there'll be people that are dancing between worlds, like, I don't know, maybe I wouldn't mind like one program of Kung Fu or something, but then fuck everything else. I'm making a joke, but it's just, I don't think anybody knows exactly how it's going to play out. And I don't think they, they, the proverbial, they even really know exactly how it's all going to play out. (1:02:40 - 1:03:06) And, I think that just once we get there, we'll kind of have to deal with it, you know, and, that all comes down to everybody's own personal choice in so far as they have real choice, as opposed to the illusion of choice, because obviously the laws in the world and these other things, they, they aren't getting any lighter. So, yeah, interesting times. It's really interesting times. (1:03:06 - 1:03:23) And I just love human connection, human touch too much. So like, for me, this is like the Hill I die on to some, to some degree, because I just care about it too much. You know, I'm a Greek man, like passion and emotion and love and food and, and connecting, like, that's just part of my blood. (1:03:24 - 1:03:31) Like you, you, you're going to try to take that away from me? Like, nah, bro. Nah, I'm acting all hard right now, but like, I really believe that. Like, it's just. (1:03:32 - 1:03:35) I agree with you. I feel the same. I should say, I feel the same as that. (1:03:35 - 1:03:49) Like it's a, it's the Hill I'm willing to die on. So, yeah, I have all these other questions, just the things that are flashing in from when I read, I read your, your blog and I'm just like, I want to, I want you to hear about this. I want to hear about that. (1:03:49 - 1:03:52) Ask him about the giants. Ask him about the giants. That was it, dude. (1:03:52 - 1:03:59) Tell me about Andre the giant. I mean, the giants. Oh, do we really have to go down this road? Um, you don't have to do to your free will. (1:03:59 - 1:04:07) You can say, go fuck yourself. Like, I love you, Ross, the most, but I'm too tired right now, man. I'm gonna go make music. (1:04:07 - 1:04:21) Hurry up. That's not untrue, but I have to say, wait, which part of the music are telling me to go fuck yourself? The music, the music, not to tell you to go fuck yourself. I would never do that. (1:04:21 - 1:05:02) Um, so, uh, depending on what you've looked into, um, there's a lot of evidence that supports the fact that there used to be giants on this planet, you know, it's in various types of scripture, it's in lots of different things. And, um, I think it's, it's almost true for a lot of different species that have gone extinct over time that they actually haven't, it's just that the world's a really big place and, uh, there are ways to hide certain things and they do do some forms of disclosure with that in movies. Um, what ones did I recently watch that kind of played on that idea? Oh yeah. (1:05:02 - 1:05:26) Like the, the newest Godzilla and King Kong movies, uh, they kind of play on this idea where like, there could be an island out there that they just keep stuff on, you know, and, and just contain it to that island and none of us know any better. And there's also technologies like our history goes back a lot further. And we've, we have had, you know, much more advanced technology on this planet than we do today. (1:05:27 - 1:06:03) And, um, there were some programs put in place and I'm sure that like most people could imagine that stuff like this might happen, it was like finding a buried bomb shelter, right? Uh, people forget that they're there. So at some point in time, there was a program where they had put themselves into these stasis pods, I suppose, in order to, you know, survive whatever they felt was going to happen. And, um, those pods got lost and they got left in them and they never got woken up and then flash forward a few thousand years later, very idiocracy style, um, someone digs them up and, and now we have to deal with that. (1:06:03 - 1:06:38) So that was what I wrote about was, um, and again, going back to one of the things that they liked to bother me to do was to communicate with stuff that they don't know how to communicate with. And that was one of those such things. When I say this type of communication, like, um, I post some of it on, on social media, some of it's not too spooky, but if you hang around with me in person, you'll see a little bit more spookier things with my interaction with animals as an example, um, you know, you've heard the phrase like horse whispers or others said that one lady, who's the Jaguar whisperer. (1:06:38 - 1:06:48) Like there's a certain wavelength you can get on with animals that they understand you kind of with their words. Right. And, um, that's true for everyone. (1:06:48 - 1:07:05) Like that's true for all of us. So, um, with that particular discovery, if you will, that was, uh, something that they wanted to, wanted me to personal joke cropped up just then when you said a certain word. Um, that's I'm not laughing at anything else other than that. (1:07:05 - 1:07:23) So that's all good. Um, so how old were you when, when this took place? Uh, my memory with numbers is bad. It was a little bit before I wrote the blog, probably two or three years before I wrote the blog. (1:07:23 - 1:07:36) So probably like 30, 29, 29, 30 ballpark. Um, I was actually out at the time. Like, so then that was when I was 26 that I was officially let go. (1:07:37 - 1:08:24) Um, they still kind of made my life miserable and well into my thirties, but, um, and in some ways, like maybe they still do, and I don't even recognize it anymore because I stopped paying attention, but yeah, I was, uh, it was kind of like, I was, I had been out for a little while and then it was kind of a favor that they had asked me for that they had called in and, um, yeah, it's, it's a crazy thing to talk about with anybody who, you know, maybe hasn't already gone down a few too many deep rabbit holes. So, um, I, I, I, that's why I'm kind of stuttering and stumbling because I'm trying to like, in a way, respect your audience's time, because we're here for the truth, bro. We listen to this and we honor your truth. (1:08:25 - 1:08:42) You know? So yeah. And we've talked about this so many times and it's definitely something I speak about, like, what is a truth seeking journey? What is that? Like, does a person have the window of tolerance to take in ideas that maybe one part of them goes, this shit's fucking ridiculous. Yeah. (1:08:42 - 1:08:55) You know, I think that's really healthy to be honest. Yeah, I agree. But to still be able to hold that, like, you know, I think when I first heard your interview with David, I was just like, what? Like, this is crazy. (1:08:55 - 1:09:13) And even though I had, I had dabbled, like I've heard things like that. Um, it just made me think of one of my favorite sayings is like, truth is stranger than fiction, you know, or fiction is truth, depending on as if you look at it from Hollywood standpoint and like predictive programming, things that get put out there. But I just think it's fascinating and I'm open to it. (1:09:13 - 1:09:37) Yeah. At the same time, I completely get how it's can be very confronting for someone that's never even attempted to, to consider the, these perspectives because it is very reality shattering, right? For the average person that's never actually dived deeper into what might be possible. Um, and those are the barriers that we hear the work through, right? As we absorb information, the new walls come up and you deal with those walls and consider past them. (1:09:38 - 1:10:19) On that particular topic, if it was something that was going to really impact our lives and somewhere, if it really mattered outside of the fact that, you know, planet earth has inhabited things a lot longer that we've, we tend to talk that talk about it doing so, then I would be, you know, then I would be screaming it from the rooftops, you know what I mean? That'd be like, you should probably pay attention to this. But I also realized it's almost like fluff, like at the end of the day, like it's going to have nothing to do with our future moving forward, right? Like that's a big part of our very ancient past and yes, it would be nice if the evidence for it were to be released. And I think certain museums actually kind of recently are starting to do that, where they're starting to bring out these giant femurs that they had found. (1:10:20 - 1:10:53) And, um, I think Ecuador was one of the places that had displayed a 30 foot skeleton, right? And so, um, these things are slowly creeping out and that's what people call disclosure, I guess, but, um, slowly creeping out into mainstream science and slowly being verified and, and, and slowly coming out. So maybe one day this topic will be revisited, uh, in such a way that it's actually meaningful, but it's not really meaningful. And the other thing too, is like, like I'm the guy who calls bullshit on a lot of this stuff that I even talk about, because I hear so many people out there talking nonsense about it. (1:10:53 - 1:11:06) And I don't believe a lot of the whistleblowers that are out there. Like I don't, I never would have chosen to do this if it didn't fall onto my lap the way that it did. And I wasn't kind of presented with this responsibility to do something about it. (1:11:07 - 1:11:25) And I'm not one to just run away. So, you know, I thought like, what's the best way to face this? Well, then I'll just stand here and my truth as people say, and I'll just do my best to approach it with integrity and just be honest with people. Like, no, I, I, I don't like, you know, I don't believe a lot of it. (1:11:25 - 1:11:33) I don't think Tom, Dick and Harry are telling the truth. And I don't think Sarah Jane and I'm throwing out arbitrary names here. None of these are actually meant to be anyone in particular. (1:11:33 - 1:11:57) I don't think that they're telling the truth. I know that it sounds like the same thing that I'm saying, but I didn't want to say it and they're really getting off on doing this. So, you know, what, what I found through continuing, this is just that like the fundamental things that I was taught about how we should be viewing our world and carrying ourselves, people can find all of that in various. (1:11:58 - 1:12:07) Uh, teachings, um, various like divination arts is an example of that. You know, there's various paths to get there. But, um, I did learn it all. (1:12:07 - 1:12:13) So I feel like I can sum it up in a way that a six-year-old can understand it. And so that's kind of what I try to do. Yeah. (1:12:13 - 1:12:23) No, I mean, it's, it's very obvious in the way that, um, you present this information as well, that, I mean, there, there is this hesitancy. It's like, I really didn't want to be here. I didn't want to be the ones that bear this and to hold it. (1:12:23 - 1:12:45) But, um, there's certainly is real integrity in the way that, um, you, you present this information and thank you for that. Sensationalize anything, you know, I don't get that vibe from you. And then, and then, and then I turned around the corner and I was in the forest and then Bigfoot came up to me and we shook hands and had a steak together. (1:12:46 - 1:12:54) No. Yeah. I mean, I, I, uh, I, I don't do that and I wouldn't do that. (1:12:54 - 1:13:08) Um, you know, maybe if the three of us were sitting around a campfire one night, I will share some crazy experiences with you, but I, I try my best. A lot of people want that. And, um, I've, I've wrestled with it personally. (1:13:08 - 1:13:30) And again, it all comes down to what I, what I think that I need to share what, um, my experience can help benefit other people and it's just the stuff that's applicable to everyday life. And, um, if it's, if it's not, then I'm just storytelling and, um, That's not what's that's, that's not necessarily what we need. I mean, there's a time and place for it, but that's not necessarily what we need. (1:13:30 - 1:13:50) Yeah. So do you think, um, blue beam is still on the cards, project blue beam? I think that they've gotten way better at it to the point where they just kind of can completely rewrite our sky if they want to. Um, I don't think that like that, that blue beam fake alien invasion thing is going to happen. (1:13:50 - 1:14:32) Um, I think it's just talked about, but yeah, I mean, no, just because like, I, it's, and this is kind of me putting their hat back on and saying like, that's kind of petty, you know, like, um, going that route, like what's currently going on seems a lot more appealing to that type of psychopathy. So, uh, great. So things like, when you think of like star Wars and things like that, is there's less certain levels of truth there in terms of like galactic Federation and all these different things going on in communication, or is that, is this just more sensationalization of maybe some kernel of truth? I think that these things exist in the universe. (1:14:32 - 1:15:02) I don't know that planet earth has anything to do with it. You know, um, and I always thought that the opening line to star Wars was interesting a long time ago in a galaxy, maybe not so far away, I think would probably be the accurate part of that. I think that like, um, and, and what I know from my time on the inside is that they, they know a lot about history that they just don't tell people, right? Like they literally start things back in Sumeria, like what 12,000 years ago and, and just run forward. (1:15:02 - 1:15:35) Is it even that far back? They're willing to admit like 5,000 years, 7,000 years. Like, uh, but, but they know that it's, it's way, way, way, way back from that. They have a lot of different things in their vaults, so to speak, um, as of that and, um, you know, certain people who go on to be celebrities or direct movies and things like that, um, sometimes come up through these programs, projects and cults, and, um, they see these things and then it'll be something that they add into their movie or. (1:15:36 - 1:16:14) Um, it's also, if you're studying magic, you'll find the idea of the magician showing their hand and, um, letting you in on the trick, right? Um, and I think that Hollywood is a group of magicians and that's exactly what they're doing is kind of letting you in on a trick. And so I think that part of that letting you in on the trick, uh, has to do with the fact that, yeah, they know that, you know, human history goes back way, belong way before this current group of controllers were ever in control. And, um, a lot of different stuff has happened and some of it may resemble what you see in something like a star Wars. (1:16:14 - 1:16:24) So, yeah, I'm happy that you brought that up because there's another thing within the whole truth or community here. Often they go, it's a spiritual law. They have to tell you what they're doing to you. (1:16:25 - 1:16:33) And so I'm curious if that plays into what you just kind of spoke about at all. Like that's something, yeah, it's the same concept. Yeah. (1:16:33 - 1:17:00) It's like they, you know, if you study just any type of, you know, I'm sure you guys have probably studied like sales. Like you're still, you're not, you're still leading them back to the truth, right? Like there's, there's still like this truth that you keep circling around for them, um, in order to make the sale. And I think that, you know, that that's part of this topic as well is that, you know, it's a truth sandwich. (1:17:00 - 1:17:13) Um, yeah, you know, Hitler and Hitler, obviously pretty famous quotes about that. Like, you know, um, because there's always got a little bit, be a little bit of truth to a lie for people to accept it. Hmm. (1:17:15 - 1:17:30) I think we've dived into a lot, a broad number of topics, um, and I don't want to overwhelm people too much. I think this is a, it's a good spot to stop for part one. Yeah, definitely, man. (1:17:30 - 1:17:45) We looking forward to having you back on and diving deeper. There's so many questions that I do have. Um, but yeah, bro, um, man, really, really appreciate your presence and you showing up and you speaking forward in, in the way that you do. (1:17:45 - 1:18:01) And yeah, as your, as your response said, the way that you're not there to sensationalize anything, it's just breadcrumbs, breadcrumbs to dive deeper for those that are willing to perhaps look that a little bit deeper, you know? Um, so yeah, thanks. Thanks for being here, man. And thanks for, thanks for being in your truth for sure. (1:18:02 - 1:18:12) Thank you for having me and thank you guys for what you're doing. Um, I know I appreciate it because it's a, it's a resource I can put, send a lot of different people to, right. So, yeah, thanks man. (1:18:13 - 1:18:25) Yeah. Really appreciate you. Really appreciate the humility that you, you kind of move forward in the world with, and even in this, in this conversation, man, I just, I just love the kindness that's in your heart that I could definitely feel and notice. (1:18:25 - 1:18:51) And, um, I'm grateful that we connected and I can't tell you how, how grateful I am to have you on this show, man, because it's, uh, I think it's important stuff, not just the storytelling element of it, but even like having this knowledge and information and what do we do about it day to day, you know, what are the solutions, how can we utilize our free will to uplift ourselves and the people around us in the best way possible. And I think it's really, really important. Well, thanks guys. (1:18:52 - 1:19:00) So I love you both as well. Again, very happy to see you guys doing what you're doing and, uh, anything I can do to, uh, assist in that journey. I'm, I'm always available. (1:19:01 - 1:19:08) So available to you guys is what I mean. I'm always available, but I'm always available to you guys. Can we go on a trip together to another galaxy? Dude, that'd be pretty fucking cool. (1:19:08 - 1:19:14) I mean, I'll see what I can do, but you talk to some of your peeps, bro. I mean, you got some connections still, I think. I don't know. (1:19:14 - 1:19:30) I I'm pretty sure that like the galactic Federation is mad at me for saying that they don't exist. Oh, good, man. Maybe next time in my next, uh, iteration in the simulation, I'll, uh, I'll be the, um, the descendant of the keeper of secrets. (1:19:33 - 1:19:43) Uh, no, I appreciate you, dude. I love to make jokes, but, uh, really, really for sure. I appreciate you and who you are and, uh, just happy that we finally got a chance to connect in real time person. (1:19:43 - 1:20:02) I appreciated the jokes too. I liked that. So there was some laughter and like, I, I like having conversations with people who aren't, you know, balls deep into all of this stuff as, as the expression goes, because it just, it feels like you're, you're closer to my view of a lot of stuff than a lot of my peers would be. (1:20:02 - 1:20:11) I hear you, man. Yeah, definitely. We also like, I just, I'm, I'm a serious deep dude, but I don't like to take myself too seriously sometimes, right? I feel like that's heavy, man. (1:20:12 - 1:20:17) And I like making jokes and things like, you gotta know how to play it, man. You gotta know how to laugh. You gotta take joy out of things. (1:20:17 - 1:20:22) Otherwise this world's going to get really fucking miserable in a hurry. And so, you know, right. That's the thing. (1:20:22 - 1:20:38) Like, like it's, if you don't have to, Dave, you can easily lose your humanity as well in trying to discover too much. I feel, um, because there's the, the, the stuff that I want to do as a human, which is super trivial and I enjoy doing that shit. You know what I mean? So it's like, there's, there's that balance always for a second there, Shane. (1:20:38 - 1:20:43) I thought they took you out, man. I thought, I thought they came in. They're like, okay, that's enough. (1:20:43 - 1:20:49) That's all we're allowed. What's all we're going to allow to deliver 10% battery warding on my phone. No worries. (1:20:50 - 1:20:57) All right, guys, thank you for listening to here for the truth. Um, thank you all for being here and we'll see you next time. Take care. (1:20:57 - 1:21:04) Cool brother. I guess. They think you're in a delusion. (1:21:04 - 1:21:07) Somebody set the alarms and I'm in a DeLorean.