Gavin Nascimento History of the Ruling Elite & the Psychology of Propaganda

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 2:16) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stelionesis. All right, everybody welcome to episode 17 of Here for the Truth and our first ever members only episode to our Patreon subscribers. It's great to be here with you. Today we have a very special episode with someone who I greatly respect and admire and I've looked up to for a long time and it's a pleasure to have him here Gavin Nascimento. I'll read you a little bit about his bio then we'll get into it. So Gavin is a life coach, activist, writer, public speaker and social media personality. Through his personal journey in life along with an insatiable appetite for learning he has developed a unique outlook and understanding of the system that we call society, how it functions and why. Gavin believes that the problems of our world both individually and collectively are rooted in our ignorance and this ignorance is deliberately perpetuated by the ruling class who profits from our exploitation and cites history and pragmatic logic as reason. Gavin believes that in absence of ignorance, however, mankind prefers peace over war, abundance to scarcity and freedom to exploitation. Thus the key to mankind's salvation lay in the acquisition and subsequent spread of unadulterated knowledge and verifiable truth. That's why we're here because a society without this as its foundation will always be relegated to some form of slavery. He also believes the only way to attain this state of being is for us to take personal responsibility for the well-being of our society. Those who are awake bear the bulk of this responsibility and must do what they can where they are with what they have. No one can do everything but everyone can do something. It is this outlook along with a genuine love for humanity and truth that has inspired Gavin to get involved in activism, writing, video making and public speaking. Gavin, welcome to Hear for the Truth, brother. [Speaker 1] (2:18 - 2:19) Thank you for having me, Kazan. [Speaker 2] (2:19 - 2:55) It's an honour. Likewise, man. And just reading that bio in itself has reiterated so many of the core values and the core topics that Yerasimus and I hit on every single episode and the way you've put that is absolutely beautiful, man. One place I'd really like to start because it's a core thing of what this podcast is about. It's the stories behind the truth. So tell us a little bit about your personal journey, the rites of passages that you had to overcome because I'm sure it was a lot for you to uncover the gold that lays within. And I'd love to hear a bit of that story, brother. [Speaker 1] (2:57 - 7:22) Well, first, I appreciate the very kind words. Thank you. Give me far too much credit. But as you can imagine, like everybody, it's a lot to unpack in terms of your individual story. But I've just taken a very unconventional path in life. People often they're asking like, what university did you attend and what prestigious school did you study at? And the reality is I got kicked out of school. I'm a former felon. I come from a very dark past. But I'm actually proud about that because everything I've gained in terms of knowledge is through struggle and self-education. And I can't remember who it was precisely. And I'm just going to paraphrase him. But he said that the only true education is self-education. And I wholeheartedly agree. If you're not critically thinking and seeking an independent path beyond the echoes that surround us in society, then you aren't really an independent thinker. So being born already in Johannesburg, South Africa, in the South, that's a unique path in and of itself. And in my parents, they were kids when they had me and my sister. My mom was actually 15 when she felt pregnant. And I grew up around fucking crazy people, man. I grew up around bikers and convicts and just those people that you're supposed to stay away from society's perception. But the perspective of these people and the reality are just totally, totally different. And this is something a lot of people don't comprehend in society is actually a very big difference between subjective perception and objective reality. They are not the same thing. We all can apprehend a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of objective truth. But no matter what, we're all limited by subjective perceptions. So from a young age, I was able to have a very unique outlook on life. I was also very rebellious and in my studies, at least I've noticed that a lot of people who have had the, I suppose, privilege of questioning authority, of being skeptical and healthy in their suspicions, they've been afforded the opportunity to think a bit more independently. And I think I have a theory that that's one of the root causes at the problem of society today is a lot of people, if they were surrounded from a very young age, paternal figures, teachers, and so on and so forth, and these authorities that are stellar job, where they basically gave them all the guidance they needed, all the love that they needed, they were never in a position where they had to question authority. And that's a big problem. But in terms of this particular path, I moved from South Africa when I was about 14 years old. And I moved to the US. And I went to high school and everything in the US. And I was somebody I was never, I never gave a shit about politics. As soon as you, you know, entered that into the conversation, I came with a joke, or I just avoided it because it just, it was seemed like bullshit. And it is all obviously bullshit, right? But when you're younger, at least for myself, you don't take any interest. But there's a saying, I think it may have been from Tacitus, the ancient Roman historian, who very cleverly said that just because you don't take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. And I think that's very, very vivid and clear today. And then eventually, I started to look into like, what's going on, you know, I'd actually started as I had crippling anxiety. I mean, I've got such a crazy story, man. I was already had a drinking problem when I was 12 years old, by the age of 19, I was alcoholic. It gave me crippling anxiety, I was super, super lost, I had PTSD. And when I moved to the States, I tried to conform and fit in. And it, I just started to lose myself. Like I was, I was just losing myself in a terrible, terrible way. [Speaker 3] (7:23 - 7:24) Where in the state were you? [Speaker 1] (7:24 - 9:29) Where in the state? I was in Florida in the Tampa area. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And I lived there for a long time. I lived there for like 14 years, you know, I lived there for a very long time. But anyways, I started to lose myself. And then I began to research because I got to the point where I was actually, I don't want to say suicidal, because that's when you actively trying to kill yourself. But I had a lot of suicidal thoughts. And I was trying to drown my pain with alcohol and drugs and so on and so forth. And then eventually, out of sheer desperation, I decided to do something I would have never done in the past. And that's read books. Because I used to be one of those people on street smart. That's all that matters. You know, that gives me advantage. Book smart people, who gives a fuck about book smart people, right? But you need a balance. You need a balance. Yeah, you need a balance of both. I hear bro. Yeah, yeah, you need a balance. Absolutely. And anyways, I started to research the mind obsessively. And if you research the mind obsessively, psychology, psychiatry, and so on and so forth, what you invariably come to learn is about CIA experiments in government propaganda. And that's actually where it started big time for me. When I saw that they were doing this crazy shit. How can you keep quiet? And yeah, it just from there just started to snowball. Yeah. And actually, sorry, just one other thing. I started off wanting to just purely motivate people. That's actually what it was. Yeah. And then of course, you realize like, you can't just motivate people without giving them knowledge. That's disingenuous. Like you just be positive, be happy. But at the same time, in order to be empowered and be the best version of yourself and create the best society that we can, we have to equip people mentally with the necessary defense, the shield, the weaponry to fight back against the insidious deception and the encroaching manipulation. Because that's a very, very real reality that we are dealing with in this world. [Speaker 2] (9:31 - 9:34) Absolutely, man. And we're all seeing it right now. [Speaker 3] (9:37 - 9:50) I'm curious from your point of view, obviously, this podcast is here for the truth. We have different guests that come with their own different thoughts. But this is a question I'd like to ask is like, in your opinion, what do you think has been going on the last 16 months? [Speaker 1] (9:52 - 16:12) I would actually date it back far longer than that. You know, what's going on now is something that I like to say is analogous to the Protestant Reformation. Not in the most fundamental ways, but what happened with the Protestant Reformation, just to give a little bit of context, was back then there was the Roman Catholic Church, and it was the preeminent power. That was the head honcho. You could almost say it's not entirely, but for the sake of discussion and for the sake of the argument at hand, it's somewhat like the World Health Organization in terms of being a global authority that people believe in. That's what it represented back then. And there was this preacher, and his name was Martin Luther. He's actually who Martin Luther King Jr. is named after. And Martin Luther, I actually read his diaries, and he speaks about Rome and the Vatican as being like this amazing, incredible place. And as somebody that comes from a so-called third world country, it's interesting to note that because there's very similar perceptions of the United States. It's like this magical land of milk and honey, and people don't really know what it's like, but that's what you see portrayed because that's the seat of empire in modern day politics. So it was similar back then. Anyways, Martin Luther, he was all excited. He wanted to go to Rome. He considered it to be like heaven on earth, but when he got there, he saw it was fucking corrupt as hell. Paraphrasing him because they obviously had different terminology, what he found was a police state, very brutal, very corrupt. And there was actually a pope named Pope Leo X, and he was from a very powerful family. This family has had popes. They've had royalty. They initially started as a banking dynasty. They still have power behind the scenes today, and that's the Medici family for many, many centuries, something like seven or eight centuries. Very powerful family. Still around today. And when he saw what they were doing, because him and a guy, I think his name was Johann Tetzel, they were engaging in a very clever little business proposition that they had going on over there, which was called the sale of indulgences. Not sure if you guys have maybe heard of that before, but what it is, to just summarize it and break it down and put it in layman's terms, is you basically tell people, if you pay me a price, I will get your distant relative, I'll get your uncle, your grandfather out of purgatory. So if you think they're in purgatory and they're suffering, you can give them a get out of jail free card if the price is right. Likewise, if you sinned and you did something horrible, if you pay me the right price, your sins are forgiven you. Now for us today, that shit sounds ridiculous. How could they fall for something like that? And that's exactly what they're going to say about us in the future, looking back on this bullshit. But when Martin Luther saw this, he was outraged. He was, I mean, he was livid. He couldn't believe it. So he decided to do something that very few people did, which was challenge the authority of the papacy. And he wrote something called the 95 thesis. It was 95 critiques of the papacy, 95 things that he saw that he didn't like, that they did wrong. And what he did was he nailed it onto a local door, and it was meant for just local debates. But something revolutionary took place at that time. And that was the invention of the printing press. And somebody, we still don't know who it was to this day, they took this 95 thesis, and they printed and spread it all throughout Europe. As a result, what ensued, what followed from that revolutionary information sharing was revolutions in the literal sense, all across Europe. You guys may have heard of the word Protestants, right? Protestant comes from to protest the Roman Catholic Church. This is where the Protestant Reformation comes from. So the reason why I say it's analogous today, is we have another information revolution, which is the internet, absolutely unprecedented. No time like this ever before in human history. All right, it's, it's special, people have no idea what we are living through right now. It's, it's next level special. And this event that we see now, has slowly been coming for quite some time. For me, I mark the, the catalyst event is actually being the protest preceding the Iraq War. To this day, they are recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records as the largest protest in human history. It took place on all seven continents, including Antarctica. And for the first time, I would say in human history, on every single continent, people around this world knew that we have a hell of a lot more in common than with the people who love us. And in spite of those millions, I mean, 10s of millions of people protesting against that war and that invasion, the ruling class went ahead and still did it anyways. And to me, one day when the books, the history books are written, it's going to reflect back probably on that as being one of the major events. And then slowly what's taking place, and it actually hasn't been a slow process, it's been happening exponentially, is people are awakening quicker and quicker. Even this event right now. I told many people when this was going on, this shit is going to blow up in their face, because every single time that they come with these repressive actions, and so on and so forth, every time they do that, then there's this blowback. And then just one other thing I quickly want to mention. With the Protestant Reformation, after that took place, the Vatican created a secret society known as the Jesuits, the Society of Jesus. You may have heard of them before. Dodgy as fuck, right? Done all kinds of just crazy shit. They've been kicked out of many countries, also big in education, Georgetown University, many lower education, all kinds of stuff. Lots of control, lots of influence. But they were created to engage in something known as the Counter-Reformation. And the Counter-Reformation was to discredit what the Protestant reformers were talking about. And so now, what we are living through right now with the censorship, it's a counter-revolution. We are already engaged in a revolution. There's no going back now. [Speaker 3] (16:12 - 16:16) You're saying the Counter-Reformation now is what's going on with all the censorship? [Speaker 1] (16:21 - 17:10) Is that about a virus at all? It's actually been a whole year now. It was over a year ago that I uploaded a five-hour presentation on this. I looked through all the studies meticulously, the conflicts of interest. I mean, every facet you can think of, I explored on this particular topic. It's got nothing to do with the virus, nothing at all. This is just a very clever chess move on their part. That's what it represents. In a way, though, they are a bit slow to react. And that tells me that they're not as high and almighty as so many people tend to think. We engaged in a major psy-op, and part of the war to go is to present yourself or to appear as being strong and ready or weak. And I think we give them far too much credit. [Speaker 2] (17:12 - 17:39) Definitely. I mean, from where I'm looking, it's come across as quite rushed, desperate, and sloppy at times. Desperate, big time. And to me, I'm curious, because to me, it feels like that this wouldn't have been the way that they wanted to roll this out if they had all the time and all the power. So it's curious to me what the catalyst for the desperation was, right? [Speaker 1] (17:40 - 18:26) For sure. There's a lot of things going on all at the same time. Many, I think, which are beyond our scope and our perspective. But there's so many elements to what's going on in the world, man. There's high ranking scientists and so on and so forth, everything from the 9-11 movement to even exposing how fraudulent all of this is. Where you have actual scientists, actual doctors, actual experts. And it's just, you can't compete with billions of minds. I mean, we're not living in the dark ages anymore. They're trying this old bullshit methodology. And it's, yeah, I don't see it working. But unfortunately, out of sheer desperation and psychopathy, they're probably going to keep on going forward. [Speaker 2] (18:27 - 18:56) Yeah, well, I mean, I'm in Sydney, Australia right now, and we're in week six of another stage four lockdown. At the moment, you can't walk outside and exercise in more than groups of two for longer than an hour. You can't be outside stationary. You have to be moving to be exercised, and you can't even sit. If you do sit, there are helicopters circling Sydney with megaphones calling the police to that spot where you're sitting. Like it is. It's next level. [Speaker 1] (18:57 - 19:34) Yeah, it is. It's crazy. It's genuinely crazy. Because if you sit down and you objectively sift through the actual science, rather than listening to the media, which most people do, and then it says, a scientist said, it's funded by the big pharma vaccine companies. Oh, I'm listening to the science. No, because if people actually look at the objective science, it is indisputable that natural immunity, which is very easy to gain for the overwhelming majority, natural immunity has been proven to be just as efficacious, if not more reliable than a fucking fast-tracked experimental vaccine. I mean, it's silly. [Speaker 2] (19:34 - 19:38) But what we're dealing with is a population that's immune to knowledge, by the looks of it. [Speaker 1] (19:39 - 20:03) Absolutely. That's why, like the bio that I sent you, if a society does not have unadulterated knowledge and verifiable truth as its foundation, I don't care if it's communist on the surface, I don't care if it's communist or capitalist or socialist, I don't care if it's religious or atheist, it doesn't matter. The key is you need to have knowledge and truth. That's what guides people to a better society. [Speaker 2] (20:04 - 20:18) Yeah. And that's where the lines are constantly being blurred, and that's where the war of distortion is on. It's on that knowledge, right? People are confused. People don't know where to look for knowledge. People don't know where to look for truth. Even in the truth community. [Speaker 1] (20:18 - 20:24) They don't even know what truth is. That's the worst part. They don't understand what that concept even means. [Speaker 2] (20:24 - 20:36) And some people have been pushed so far to the other extreme, where it's like, oh, now everything is a lie, right? Absolutely everything that we've ever been told is a lie. There's no truth. There's no true science. There's no true physics. There's no true history. None of it is true. [Speaker 1] (20:37 - 21:16) Yep. Absolutely. One of the very clever ploys that I saw with that was that documentary, The Social Dilemma. I'm not sure if you guys have actually had the opportunity to watch it. I did see it. Right. So like any really good, clever deception, what they did was they had some very, very intelligent, brilliant insights with some very skillful, clever, subtle deceptions. But if you actually follow the paper trail, what you're going to actually bump into is organizations like the Open Society Foundation. Also, what was that dude's name again that was involved with the whole Pizzagate thing? What's that cat's name? [Speaker 2] (21:16 - 21:18) Podesta? Yes. [Speaker 1] (21:18 - 23:24) John Podesta. Yeah. You can trace it back. He's in there. So if you follow the money and the way agents of deception work is they try to put as many masks, as many buffers as they can, things that look legitimate, right? The sheep, the old proverb. I mean, it's simple, but it's absolutely true. The wolf in sheep's skin. That's how they operate all times and always. And anyways, that documentary right there, so many people have cited it, it is so full of shit because what they are suggesting is, oh, we need a centralized authority to regulate information. We need to have somebody who controls this. Otherwise, there is no consensus that we can all agree on. So what they are saying is that truth is subjective. Truth is not subjective. Truth is objective. Right. Truth is just another word for reality. People try to make it this mystical thing that if I encounter it, if somebody talks about it, you know, he has to look like a fucking wizard with the great white beard and he has to say some weird shit and talk like, oh, and on 2D and all this kind of stuff. And it's completely, it's ridiculous. It's just what is reflected by reality, right? And don't get me wrong, reality itself is mystical, but there are certain aspects of reality that can be measured. And at the same time, whilst none of us can comprehend the totality of what reality represents, each of us can ascertain certain fragments of objective reality. That's why, for example, if you get in a plane, you don't want to get in a plane with a guy that's spent his whole entire life being a surgeon, right? You want to get in a plane with a pilot. Likewise, correspondingly, if you're going to get operated on, you don't want the guy to be a mechanic. So we can all ascertain certain levels of truth. And some people, such as ourselves, are a bit more concerned with studying objective reality. And there is a way to do such a thing, right? If a million people say, oh, no, it's my opinion, you go jump off a cliff and, you know, nothing's going to happen. And one person says, okay, I'm calling you out on it. That's bullshit. Go jump off the cliff. Let's see what happens. And they fall down. That's the truth. That's reality. [Speaker 3] (23:26 - 23:55) I love that you brought up the social dilemma because there was a period when it came out where everyone was like, have you seen the social dilemma? And I'm like, it's on fucking Netflix. Like I'm going to watch this shit. Okay. Let me watch it. In the beginning I was like, oh, okay. They're making some good points. And then they slip in the subtle bullshit, like throwing things around vaccines and conspiracies and flat, you know, and they always love to conflate all that shit. [Speaker 1] (23:55 - 24:13) Like, like, okay. 9-11 where there's more than 3000 architects, engineers, scientists in a four year peer reviewed study. I'd like to just fucking bring that shit up. And first responders and even family members of the victims, they're going to conflate that shit with flat earth. Yeah. That's what they do. [Speaker 3] (24:13 - 24:23) They try to throw all that stuff together and discount it like that. And then everyone just goes off because they've been subconsciously programmed like, well, yeah, you know, it's a conspiracy, obviously. What are you, a flat earther? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (24:24 - 28:00) You know what that is? That's when they manipulate something called our associative memory. The associative memory, you may have heard of it before. It's actually from classical conditioning. So the associative memory, maybe you hear a song and it reminds you of a particular memory, or you smell a certain cologne and you remember somebody from the past, whatever it may be. It's where two things are associated. And normally it's the more emotional the association, the more dismissive or impetuous and impulsive you become. And this is used in every facet of our society, right? This is why, like with the whole invasion of Iraq, they constantly made the specious association of Saddam Hussein with al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction. When he was a secular leader, he actually despised al-Qaeda. I'm not saying he's a good guy, but that's the reality. That's the objective truth. And likewise, you see it also in very simple things with corporations, right? You go to just the shop and then you see Spider-Man or Captain America or these highly evocative emotionally causes a lot of excitement for kids. You see it on an unhealthy candy bar, right? So you see it on GMO cereal because it creates unconscious excitement. That's the associative memory. Even, for example, when you're watching a Super Bowl ad, it's just a couple of seconds long, but all of their tactics are geared towards the associative memory. And there was actually an experiment, if I can just throw this out there quickly, I'm sure your viewers would be very interested to hear it, and it'll help people make a lot of sense about the propaganda that gets used now. It's called the Little Albert experiment. And the Little Albert experiment was actually done by a psychologist, a behavioral specialist. He's considered to be like the father of behavioral modification in many ways. His name was John Watson. And John Watson, what this dude went ahead and did was an unethical experiment on a baby, just a couple months old. And he wanted to see if he could condition and brainwash this baby's associative memory into becoming fearful. So what he did was he put a bunch of different stimuli in front of this baby, a burning newspaper, a mouse, a rabbit, just different things. And then he wrote down the initial observations. And he noticed that the child didn't have, the baby didn't have any, it was kind of neutral, in fact, with the mouse and wanted to play with the mouse. Then he went for a second round. But this time, every time he gave the mouse to the baby, and the baby wanted to play with the mouse in the beginning, he made a horrible sound with a hammer in the background, which is one of the few things innately babies are actually fearful of, are these loud, horrible, sporadic sounds. So every time the baby went for the rat or the mouse, he struck the hammer, and the baby would cry frantically. And he did this over and over and over to associate the rat with the loud noise. And in the third round, after seeing his observations, what he went ahead and did was he didn't do anything with the hammer, but he gave the rat to this baby, little Albert. And just by seeing the rat, the baby hysterically and frantically cried. And that's precisely how propaganda works. Even now, for example, with these lockdowns, there are many, many, there are literally thousands of doctors, thousands of scientists that are saying it's bullshit. But the media doesn't give them a platform. Who does the media give a platform to? Donald Trump, QAnon, these extreme right-wing groups. And don't get me wrong, if you guys are into that, I mean, I'm not trying to put you down or whatever. [Speaker 3] (28:02 - 28:09) We're here for the truth. We're here for all opinions. We're not here to be like, yo, we're right, you're wrong. And I'm neutral on that, man. [Speaker 2] (28:09 - 28:13) We've had people here on other sides in the middle. [Speaker 1] (28:14 - 28:46) Yeah. And it's just the thing is what they are trying to do is associate everybody that is challenging these lockdowns with those who are easily discredited or extreme right-wing figures or racism or some bullshit. And it's that little Albert experiment tactic. That's all it is. It's the associative memory, where if you can get them to associate something with a highly evocative topic that makes them very angry and dismissive, that's precisely what they do. Their critical thinking skills are no longer existent. [Speaker 3] (28:47 - 30:41) I even think about that, and I think it relates to some degree when you think about Hollywood programming through movies and through television shows. I'm really watching an old show that I loved from 20 years ago called Six Feet Under and watching it with my wife. And there's episodes where it's like they're glorifying allopathy. They're just like, something's wrong with you. Oh, take this pill. Oh, I'm going to have to take this pill for the rest of my life. So you have the audience who we fall in love with these characters and the stories. And yet then it's like they're putting pharmaceutical industry, they're pulling the medical industry on a pedestal. Oh, did you go see your doctor? Did you see your doctor? All these little things have just been going on for decades, our entire lives that you don't think about. Yeah. And it's like 20 years ago, while I was into some of this stuff, not to the degree I am now, anytime I watch anything mainstream media-wise, it's like, okay, there's that, there's that, there's that, there's that. You're just pointing out the subtle or not so subtle programming. And it's pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild. And then you wonder if you're an individual who hasn't gone down these rabbit holes and hasn't explored these areas of research, and you've just worked your nine to five job and you've been watching Hollywood all the time, then of course, 2020 comes and it's like, this virus is going to kill everyone. You're like, well, of course, oh my God, we've been primed. Our subconscious has been primed through all this media to be fearful. So it's like the solution is to explore these alternative realms of information, which I think more and more people are doing because they're realizing the mainstream media is dying and it has been dying. And more people are open to podcasts like this, all the work you've been doing and people in a similar boat. [Speaker 2] (30:43 - 31:53) It's developing that psychic community, right? And that's what this knowledge provides for us is particularly that. And from one level, all the programming, all the conditioning, et cetera, is designed to break down that psychic community. So there is no barrier. And so that we're just open to receiving everything in the same way that I guess you could even throw the new age movement into that category as well, right? We just accept everything. We resist nothing. We don't have that tension to actually think critically anymore. It's just, you know what I mean? Things are what they are, whether I question it or not. And like you were saying before to bring that home with the whole QAnon thing and the attack on the Capitol, whatnot, like from one perspective, that's just leading down the path of considering anyone that questions the narrative as a conspiracy theorist and all conspiracy theorists as extremists and hence terrorists, right? I'm a domestic terrorist just so you all know. Exactly. So then the next correlation that comes is conspiracy theorist equals terrorist. And what do we have, right? [Speaker 1] (31:54 - 32:50) Yeah. It's an interesting time to be alive. You see, the fundamental issue as well is I would say for the first time in history, human history, the majority, maybe not, I would actually probably say it is a majority of the public are politically aware, but they are not politically awakened. And those are two very different things. Because if you are new to politics, politics will eat you up and spit you out. It'll use you, abuse you and play with you like you are Pinocchio. You'll be just a puppet. And unfortunately, people are going through some growing pains. If anything is getting fast track right now, besides the vaccine, it's people's awakening. And a lot of people can't cope with it, unfortunately. Suicides, drug overdoses. It's a challenging time. It's a very challenging time. [Speaker 2] (32:50 - 33:22) At the same time, it really does feel like they amped up the show of the left, right, the red, blue, right? It feels like, for sure, it feels like the reality, the reality TV literally left the TV and became the political stage, right? And it's such an intense thing, man. It really, really is. I mean, there's so many people still there sitting, holding out hope that a politician, you know what I mean, of the likes of Donald Trump or whatnot, whether correct or not, is going to be the answer. So let me... Oh, no, go ahead, man. [Speaker 3] (33:22 - 33:35) Well, you can go. I was just curious, because I'm kind of in my bubble in the US, and the US seems to take like center stage politically across the whole planet. Like, what's the left, right thing? Like, what do they do in South Africa? You know, how... [Speaker 1] (33:35 - 33:52) Oh, no, it's similar bullshit. No, it's similar. It's very similar in most countries. I tend to take an interest in the political theater in different countries, and it's usually a two-party system. And then there'll be like a third one, that it looks revolutionary, and it's going to change, but it's bullshit. [Speaker 2] (33:53 - 33:54) Let me ask you this. [Speaker 1] (33:55 - 33:57) It's the same thing, isn't it? It's the same thing. [Speaker 2] (33:57 - 34:23) Let me ask you this, because say no one has dived into this whatsoever, and someone was leaning to the right and was leaning to Trump or whatever. It looks very, very, very clear to that person that it was a rigged election, right? Right, right. So is the planning that advanced that they're going to fake rig an election to develop some kind of emotional response? [Speaker 1] (34:24 - 35:10) For sure. So that's a good question. I'm glad you asked that, because something I like to always go into with people is history. History, to me, if you research it meticulously or assiduously, and it takes a lot of time to do that, because you normally have to look at multiple perspectives. And that's especially true, and it becomes especially more difficult the deeper you go into history. But if you look into ancient Rome, and this was over 2000 years ago, in what precipitated the initial so-called Roman Revolution, there were these two brothers, the Gracchi brothers. And their names were Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus, for people who want to pick up the breadcrumbs and go chase the rebels. [Speaker 3] (35:10 - 35:13) I've watched Gladiator, bro. I know. [Speaker 1] (35:15 - 41:35) Listen, Gladiator was actually brilliant. It was science fiction, but there was truth in it. Stephen King, I think it was, he's the science fiction writer. He brilliantly said that fiction is the truth inside the lie. So fiction can be used in a way to communicate greater truths without them getting themselves into too much trouble. So anyways, with the Gracchi brothers, they actually came from a noble family. There's actually some interesting conclusions that can be drawn between them and the Kennedy brothers. There's some similarity there, where they came from elitist families themselves, but then they decided to challenge the establishment. But anyways, with Tiberius Gracchus, he was, he came from the military. And what he noticed was when he was coming back to Rome, the people that he served with, they were actually becoming unemployed, they were becoming homeless, because the ruling class had huge scores of land, and they had all of these slaves, and they were producing goods for absolutely dirt cheap. And all of these military men, they were small scale farmers when they came back, and they couldn't compete with these guys, because they had slave labor. Obviously, slave labor, you don't have to pay for. So you can make your prices a lot cheaper, you can undercut the competition. Tiberius Gracchus, what he found was the ruling class were holding more land than was legally allowed, and it was huge amounts of land, like stupid amounts of land. And he came up with a proposal where he was willing to not only compensate them for that land, but he was also going to make it tax free. It was a sensible proposal. Now, what he did was back then they had something that resembled a form of democracy, a republic that was democratic, they had something like that, they had elected officials and so on and so forth. He was elected as the Tribune of the People, means he represents the people, the people's interests. And he ran on the ticket that he would make sure that everybody has a home, everybody gets food, everybody has a place to live. And of course, he was he was voted. Now, back then, there was a group called the Roman Senate. Now, of course, I'm sure when you guys hear Senate, the first thing you think about is politics. But the fact of the matter is the American Senate, and the term Senate that we know today, it traces its historical lineage, its genesis to ancient Rome. Back in ancient Rome, the Roman Senate had nothing to do with the government, or at least that's what they told everybody. All it did was it controlled the finances of Rome. Now, traditionally, what the Tribune had to do, or not had to do, but it was just something that was normally done, is they would go to the Roman Senate, which was just an advisory council. That's how they were advertised. They just gave advice. They weren't a part of the government. They just kind of gave advice, like the Council on Foreign Relations, something like that. But he never did this, which I find to be very interesting, because he was obviously an insider. And I think he knew that if he went to them, they would have given him bad advice. So they would have told him not to do it, but he didn't do it. That wasn't against the law, he didn't have to go to them. Instead, he had it passed. But then when he had the law passed, he couldn't get the financing from the Senate, which controlled Rome's funding. So eventually, they were going back and forth between Tiberius Gracchus and the establishment of Rome. And they were going back and forth, back and forth, until eventually, because I can obviously tell the story for a long time, to give you all the details, until eventually they declared martial law. And then the smokescreen of a democratic form of government was completely shut down. The whole voting ruse was exposed for what it was. And people finally realized that the whole entire time they believed they live in a democratic republic. This Roman Senate, this advisory group that had nothing to do with the government, they actually controlled Rome. That was over 2000 years ago. Now, if they understand something like that from over 2000 years ago, do you think they would ever in a million years, do you think they would ever in a million years allow the presidency to be captured? There are families, guys, there are families that have been in power more than 1000 years, like the Colonna or the Orsini, which goes back in England, which goes back to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha before it, and then that goes to the House of Betten. That's over 1000 years. Do you think these people who have been in power for years are going to allow Donald Trump to come piss on their parade? No, it's just not going to happen, man. And then another good source to actually look into is, I'm sure you guys have heard of Professor Carol Quigley. At some point, he's one of those researchers, because he did something that helped to illuminate the way that the ruling class operates in an unprecedented way. In his book, Tragedy and Hope, it was either Tragedy and Hope, no, it was Tragedy and Hope, or the Anglo-American establishment, it was so long ago that I read this, I think it was Tragedy and Hope, in which he meticulously details, and he was a very dry historian. I mean, he was the teacher to the former President Bill Clinton. And he did it in a very objective way. I mean, his book is very difficult to read, because he's an historian. He's an academic, it's like 1000 pages long, it's crazy. But in there, he documents how they themselves had written. And when I say they, I'm talking about the bankers, the international bankers, you know, JPMorgan, Rothschild, Rockefellers, these interests had made it a habit where they would control both sides of the political party. And this has been a recurring theme. I remember, for example, with George W. Bush, and John Forbes Carey, from the opium smuggling Forbes family, smuggling massive amounts of opium, that's how they made their name. They both came from skull and bones. It's a recurring theme. It's like George Carlin said, it's one big club. And that's it. [Speaker 3] (41:36 - 41:48) So the whole like, Trump upset over Hillary Clinton, you think that that was staged? Like that was a plan? It wasn't? Yes, that it was. Presidents are selected, not elected kind of thing. [Speaker 1] (41:48 - 45:47) So I remember the climate very well at the time, the alternative media. Because I mean, I've been working in, you know, within alternative media for fucking a long time, man, over 10 years. And watching all of this stuff unfold has been very interesting. Because the alternative media, I was looking at the polls. The polls were showing that people weren't trusting establishment media anymore. This was pre-Trump. Trump coming along, fake news, this, fake. Long before Trump came along, the hard working people behind the scenes in the alternative media who were not getting a paycheck to bullshit. They through their hard work of exposing the system through the internet, again, through free flowing information, because this was pre-censorship. At least this level, there was censorship back then, I encountered it, but not this level. Pre-Trump, pre that era, there was already a huge effort underway with people were becoming aware that the whole establishment is bullshit. Trump came along. And then moving forward, they associated the alternative media with Donald Trump. And the big issue with Trump is the guy, you know what, he dropped some truth bombs, but then he says some stupid bullshit as well. And that's a wonderful way to undermine sensible debate. Because then, okay, you've got the circus show. Instead of going to the architects and engineers for 9-11 truth, let's see what Donald Trump is tweeting. Instead of going to the more than 40,000 doctors and scientists that are saying that the lockdowns are bullshit, let's go listen to what Donald Trump is saying. And then everybody gets associated with it. I cannot tell you how many times I've been accused of being like a Trump supporter. But then beyond that, let's just establish, it drops some objective truth bombs, right? Because people are like, oh, you know, he's fighting the system. So let's just explore that very quickly. And then we'll move forward. First of all, Donald Trump was instrumental in fast tracking a vaccine. He appointed, the dude that he appointed to hit it was from GlaxoSmithKline. GlaxoSmithKline is one of the most corrupt corporations in the world. Unethical experiments, bribing doctors, scientists, I mean, just all kinds of fucked up shit. He also claimed when he was running for president, just like all of them do, made all these bullshit claims that he was going to reinvestigate 9-11. He was going to go after the Saudis. He ended up doing a massive business deal with the Saudis, didn't do shit about 9-11. He also said that he would legalize marijuana, didn't do shit about that. Said that he would arrest Hillary Clinton, didn't do shit about that. He said that he would audit the Federal Reserve Bank, the private Federal Reserve Bank, which is analogous to the Roman Center from the past. He didn't do shit about that. He said that he would go after the bankers. He didn't do shit about that. In fact, he pardoned, that's just what I can remember off the top of my head, right? Those are big things. Those are big things. And we need to hold these feet to the fire. And the last thing, and this is a very important point that I make. Imagine right now we were having this discussion, but we were given access to millions, not just millions, hundreds of millions of people around the world. Imagine if we had that platform right now. And imagine if we had foreknowledge that we were going to have that platform. I can tell you right now, as an earnest truth seeker and speaker and warrior, I would pour everything out. And you know why? Because once you unleash the knowledge, once you unleash the truth, then people can guide themselves. Then the revolution will live on whether you make it or not. Has Donald Trump done that? Has any president done that with a platform that he's got? Hell no. And the thing is, just based on what we know, we can do some amazing things to wake people up, to empower them. That cat has got access to declassified, I mean, to classified documentation. I mean, it's comical. It's ridiculous in my mind, based on everything that I know, that this dude is, you know, oh, he's up, he's fighting for the system, he's fighting with the aliens too, or whatever he's doing. It's bullshit, man. [Speaker 2] (45:49 - 45:56) Man, I would love to have David Whitehead and Gavin on together and have this debate. That would be fucking amazing. [Speaker 1] (45:57 - 45:59) Is he a Trump fan? Let's rock and roll, brother. [Speaker 2] (46:00 - 46:33) I don't know. He's got some views. You can check out the episode and he makes some very valid points. He makes some very valid points, which makes a lot of sense. And he's someone that's personally gone through all the drops, et cetera, as many have, and have put some things together. But this just shows more clearly than ever the levels of confusion that can be dropped upon society. I just don't trust these fuckers, dude. [Speaker 1] (46:33 - 47:06) I don't trust these fuckers. And you're right, cousin, but now remember what I was saying. Truth is reflected by reality, right? They're one and the same thing. Is it aligned with reality when I say that Donald Trump claimed he would investigate 9-11 but he didn't do it? That's aligned with reality, right? So it's the truth. Is it aligned with reality that Donald Trump said he would audit the Federal Reserve and he didn't do it? That's also aligned with the truth. Is it aligned with reality, and therefore the truth, that he said he would prosecute Hillary Clinton and put her in jail? Yes, it is, and he didn't do that. So these things are aligned with reality. [Speaker 2] (47:06 - 47:15) Yeah, and just objectively, if this person had the interest of the people, you're right. Of course, you're in this position. When you just fucking drop everything, wouldn't you just dig? [Speaker 1] (47:17 - 48:27) Can you imagine you had his platform? You know what? All you do is you sit down there, and this cat also has access to information that we have no clue about, right? This is just the stuff that we know about. He has access to shit that we have no clue about. Now imagine you could get the best advisors, you could get all these different individuals, aggregate that knowledge, come up with something really skilled. You could even drop billions of dollars because he's rich to create a Hollywood movie. You could do all kinds of things to reach people in an unprecedented way, but has he done that? No, he's a showman. That's what he is. This is what I tell people about actors, right? Good actors go into Hollywood, but the best actors go into politics. That's it. And Barack Obama before him was the same shit. Yeah, same shit. Yeah, it's the same stuff, man. And people just never learn. I mean, I'm shocked with Joe Biden. I mean, I'm still trying to figure out that chess move, but he's just a fucking clown. That dude is just something else. [Speaker 3] (48:28 - 48:37) What was the thing I said to you, Joel, the other day? It was like 700 million, 500 million, 300 million. I'm like, what the fuck? [Speaker 1] (48:38 - 50:19) What do you think is the chess move? What it could potentially be, right, is I see a lot of people around the world right now, where they're calling for the fall of America, the fall of capitalism and all that bullshit. Not realizing that agents of deception, man, they don't give a shit about your ideology. They don't care about the constructs that you believe in, because they create these constructs. So the American empire, as a concept, it will fall. And the reason why I'm talking about this is because a tactic that, and this is based on my own interpretations and my own experiences, a tactic that has been commonly used in so-called third world countries, if you put just ridiculous leaders in place, people that people know overwhelmingly is so corrupt, that they become a very easy individual to blame. Oh, this shit's falling apart, because look at our politics. Look at this clown that's in power. It is possible that he will be the beginning of the proverbial end for the American empire in a sense, but it's not going to be any major changes. Because like I said, you've got families that have literally been in power for over a thousand years. Some of them claim to have, like the Orsini, they claim that they date all the way back to ancient Rome and the emperors. I don't know if that's true or not, that's what they claim. You have these families in power, and they don't care. Sure, you get public awareness and opinion to be against the United States. Okay, we'll have that fall as a construct. We'll just come up with another one. That's all it is. So that's purely speculation. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. But Joe Biden's a fucking, he's a clown. Anybody can see he's a clown. Stevie Wonder can see he's a fucking clown. You know what I'm saying? [Speaker 3] (50:21 - 50:44) He can hear he's a clown, that's for sure. Apparently Stevie Wonder can see. Is that the biggest PSYOP? Is that the PSYOP right there, dude? That'd be wild if you can. Real quickly, I don't know why I just feel like bringing this up. We're talking about politics, we're talking about Hollywood. So Mel Gibson supposedly making some movie on the Rothschilds that I keep hearing. Have you heard anything about that? [Speaker 1] (50:44 - 51:04) Have you heard that? No, actually, I haven't. No, I haven't. But look, I'm also somebody, I don't really watch much TV. Obviously, you got to keep a pulse on things to some extent, right? Sometimes you got to watch these things just to know what kind of bullshit they're cooking up and stuff. That's interesting though. I'll give it a watch. [Speaker 3] (51:04 - 51:15) Yeah, I mean, I don't know when it's coming out, in the alternative world, I'd heard he's making a movie about something. They're saying, because he's a fan of Trump and etc, etc. [Speaker 2] (51:16 - 51:22) He's got one coming out on child sex trafficking with the other outspoken actor who was the actor for Passion of the Christ. [Speaker 3] (51:22 - 51:28) Oh, Jim Caviezel. Yeah. That's a Mel Gibson movie? It's a Mel Gibson movie. Oh, I don't know. [Speaker 1] (51:28 - 51:30) It's a Passion of Christ, as far as I know. It is, yeah. [Speaker 3] (51:30 - 51:33) Well, yeah, that one, but the movie with Jim Caviezel. [Speaker 2] (51:33 - 51:48) How far does this go, man? How far does this construct extend beyond us? So what level are these strings pulled? Thinking about how far ahead they're thinking about our psychology, right? [Speaker 1] (51:48 - 52:05) It's a tough one to gauge. It is a difficult one to gauge. And you can get, you can tumble down that rabbit hole forever, because then what you do is you start to explore the realm of infinite possibility. And in the realm of infinite possibility, you'll just get exhausted, right? [Speaker 3] (52:05 - 52:05) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (52:07 - 52:08) It's a tricky one. [Speaker 3] (52:09 - 52:51) So based on that, because we can sit here and we can talk about all this stuff and what's happening and go down the rabbit holes. Though, what is the solution, like for each individual person? What do you think needs to be done for more awakening? Because you said something before that I really liked, you talked about politics. And one of the first things that really woke you up was psychology. And something that I say often, teachers of mine have said, the answer isn't in politics, the answer is in psychology. It's in self-knowledge. It's understanding yourself on the deepest level, because these social engineers, these architects of control, they know us better than we know ourselves. So we have to fight fire with fire in that sense. [Speaker 1] (52:52 - 54:43) Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, brother. That's precisely what it is. We need self-knowledge. The thing is, once you actually gain a rudimentary and an introductory understanding, you don't have to be like a fucking, like I said, I got kicked out of high school. If I can learn about this shit, anybody can learn about this shit. It's not rocket science. It's just about putting in the time, the energy and effort. And then when you learn the fundamentals, because that's all it takes. You just learn some fundamentals that they use and you learn a bit of history and you see the patents and you see the tactics that they use against us. Once that happens, you have now armed yourself to protect yourself. And then these things no longer work on you. So I wholeheartedly agree. A good place for people to start, anybody that may be listening now, and they just feel overwhelmed by all of this shit. And I'm sure I can completely empathize with that. I've had the privilege and the good fortune of becoming disillusioned over a very long period of time. A lot of people right now, they're being slapped very hard with a lot of information. And for anybody, that's a lot to digest. But I would say for people, a good place to start is just by researching neuroscience, how your own brain works. Classical conditioning as well is a good one. And actually a really brilliant book, possibly the best book that has, at least that I know of, that's been written in modern times of how the ruling class operates and the tactics of propagandists is Edward Bernays. He wrote a book called Propaganda. And the reason why he was very frank in naming the book Propaganda is because back then it wasn't considered like a dirty word. And he's a good guy to look into. Actually, he's got another book too. I think it may have been Crystallizing Public Opinion. I can't actually remember. But he's a good guy to look into. [Speaker 3] (54:44 - 54:56) Well, I love that you said that because while you're in the middle of getting your recommendations, one of the documentaries that I refer to people, especially people who are more visual, is The Century of Self by Adam Curtis. [Speaker 1] (54:56 - 55:02) Absolutely. Which goes into Bernays. That's actually what put me on to Edward Bernays for that documentary. [Speaker 3] (55:03 - 55:25) And I feel like it's a good bridge. You're not going to be like, hey, go research about the Illuminati and all these books. And it's just like, here, it was on the BBC. Yeah, like the BBC created it, whatever, 16, 17 years ago. And I thought it's intelligently made. It's what, four or 50-minute episodes, something like that. It's amazing how many people do not know who he is. [Speaker 1] (55:26 - 55:26) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (55:26 - 55:29) And they're like, who's that? [Speaker 1] (55:29 - 56:21) Yeah. And just to put it into context for anybody that's listening now, Edward Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century. Now, bear in mind, on that list, Al Capone didn't make that list. Michael Jordan didn't make that list. And not one single president made that list, but he made that list. That puts it to perspective how influential that dude is. And I can go through the list. He has literally pioneered the tactics of propaganda. He's known as the father of public relations. He's the nephew of Sigmund Freud, the father of psychoanalysis. He's done so much crazy shit that still goes on today. He pioneered front groups for corporations to use. CIA does the same shit. Also, manipulating the associative memory, he did the same thing. He got a woman to smoke cigarettes. Just crazy stuff. There's a quote. [Speaker 3] (56:21 - 56:22) Oh, you have a quote by him? [Speaker 1] (56:22 - 56:23) Which one? [Speaker 3] (56:23 - 57:03) Do we have the same one? Which is the conscious and intelligent manipulation, that one? No. You can read your quote. I'll read this one. I love this quote from Bernays that I've shared so often. But the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed. Our minds are molded. Our tastes formed. Our ideas suggested largely by men we have never heard of. Anyways, it keeps going on and on and on, but that's just a quote that I- Yeah, and that's from the book Propaganda, man. [Speaker 1] (57:03 - 57:05) People need to read that book. [Speaker 3] (57:07 - 57:19) Yeah. And then another good book that's a short read from the late 1800s. Was it The Psychology of the Crowd by Gustave Le Bon, which it goes into- And Gustave Le Bon actually, yeah, and he actually influenced Edward Bernays. [Speaker 1] (57:20 - 57:25) That was Gustave Le Bon and Wofford Trotter. They were big influences in Edward Bernays. Yeah. Wow. [Speaker 3] (57:26 - 57:29) Knowledge is power, my man. Critical thinking is power, though. That's for sure. [Speaker 1] (57:29 - 57:51) Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. There's no substitute. I tell people there's fucking no substitute for critical thinking, man. You can have all the knowledge of the world. It doesn't mean shit if you can't think for yourself. Yeah. Are you familiar with the work of Michael Tesserian, Gavin? I am. I am familiar. I haven't heard from him in a long time. I think he actually follows me on Twitter. I haven't heard from him in a long time. [Speaker 2] (57:52 - 58:07) His platform is called Unslaved Now. All his work is locked behind this platform. That's actually how Yerasmos and I met. Yerasmos was a guest on his podcast, and I was listening to it. Oh, awesome, man. That's fantastic. And then I reached out, and we started this podcast. Then we both ended up on Michael's podcast together. Oh, that's beautiful, man. [Speaker 3] (58:08 - 58:09) What, two weeks ago? [Speaker 2] (58:09 - 58:09) Oh, wow, that's awesome, man. [Speaker 3] (58:10 - 58:12) Yeah, it was pretty cool. And he's a propology. [Speaker 2] (58:12 - 58:13) That dude is a propology. [Speaker 3] (58:14 - 58:14) Oh, yeah, yeah. [Speaker 2] (58:14 - 58:21) And he's someone who's introduced us to understanding the psychology of the crowd in a much deeper way, and the names that we've mentioned. [Speaker 3] (58:21 - 58:21) For sure. [Speaker 2] (58:22 - 58:26) Yeah. But he would disagree with you on Martin Luther. [Speaker 1] (58:28 - 59:39) Yeah, look, as far as Martin Luther goes, I'm not a fan of him. Let me just clarify that. Martin Luther, it's a classic case of somebody that what he did was extraordinarily hypocritical. He came into power. Some way, some how, he must have done a deal. He was instrumental in compulsory education, in mandating compulsory education. And the compulsory education system can actually be traced back to him. And what he did was there were all these revolutions in Europe, like the peasants' revolutions. And you know what this dude did? It was extraordinarily hypocritical, man. Slapped the shit out of that fucking guy. He sided with the new establishment, which is interesting because that means there's a lot more to digest and pick apart there. He sided with the new establishment authorities, like the order of the Teutonic Knights, and what became Prussia, the military power. He sided with them, and he went ahead and he stated that, I think it was the divine right of kings, which is a passage from the Bible, where he claims that all authorities, all earthly authorities have been picked by God. [Speaker 2] (59:39 - 59:44) And isn't that the fundamental associative memory, right? The state and God. [Speaker 1] (59:45 - 59:56) Oh yeah, absolutely. We can also explore that, man, because that's the rulers going back as far as you can remember. We can even talk about the Anunnaki. That's an interesting one as well. No, really, there's a lot of shit. [Speaker 2] (59:56 - 1:00:19) I'm happy to, man. Before we go on on this one, let me drop this quote by Martin Luther. Even if those in authority are evil or without faith, nevertheless, the authority and its power is good and from God. Therefore, wherever there is power and where it flourishes, there it is and there it remains because God has ordained it. [Speaker 1] (1:00:21 - 1:01:56) And you see something that he also very conveniently did there, is he exempted himself from that because he violated that shit himself. Yeah, he did. He violated that shit himself. He went after the Pope and he called the Pope the Antichrist and shit. And look, it was very powerful because for the first time he defied and disobeyed the Pope and that created a collective disillusionment because that's the power. The authority is fucking, it's imaginary. Even the shit with all the masks, it's imaginary. That's why it's such a brilliant chess movie. If you can get everybody to wear masks, it creates the illusion of a consensus. It creates a perception. And if you can dominate perception, you can dominate people's interpretation of reality, right? But if you look at objective reality, this virus, whether people believe it's real or not, it's not deadly for the overwhelming majority at all. Not fucking at all. But anyways, yeah, Martin Luther, I'm glad that you actually mentioned it because I don't want anybody to misinterpret that I'm a fucking fan of his. He was a bigot. And I mean, there might have been some weird shit going on there. What's interesting about, as well, just very quickly about the whole Protestant Reformation, that history is very well taught, right? People know a lot about that. What they don't realize is there was something called the Radical Reformation. And the Radical Reformation, you know what they did to these dudes. These were the guys that were straight up anarchists. We don't want any form of government. The so-called Protestant Reformation, they just kind of veered away a little bit, but not all that different to the traditional power structure. The Radical Reformation, they were just full-on freedom, no governments. And a good number of these cats were just outright murdered because that's what they do with the real truth warriors. They eliminate them. [Speaker 3] (1:01:57 - 1:01:59) Yo, bro. Why are you still alive then? [Speaker 1] (1:02:01 - 1:02:06) I'm still putting in the legwork. I'm still putting in the legwork. [Speaker 2] (1:02:09 - 1:02:16) All right. Bring us home, bro. Where's this link all the way down the lines of Anunnaki? [Speaker 1] (1:02:17 - 1:04:20) Well, look, that's where we enter the realm of speculation. But the reason why I actually mentioned it originally is how you were saying, like, isn't that the ultimate form of classical conditioning and the manipulation of associative memory? So, you know, in the past with the Egyptian pharaohs or in Rome with their emperors, what they would do, their claim to fame was they would associate themselves with divinity, with some kind of gods. In ancient Greece, they did the same thing. Well, a lot of people in the world today, in fact, just about everybody that I've come across, they don't consider the potential and the possibility that the Anunnaki themselves did not create human beings, as many people believe. But that's actually a form of ancient and old propaganda, because if you can convince people that you are God, then they will worship you. It's a very tried and true and played out mechanism, but it's been used over and over again, like the great mystic Ernest Hone said, we are bound by nothing but belief. So if you can get this element, you know, these Anunnaki characters and they get people to convince them, oh, you know, we are gods, you need to serve us, that people will bow down, they'll capitulate. And the reason why I say this is because I don't buy the story that we were created to be slaves, humans make fucking terrible slaves. And you might be saying, but the Qur'an you gave and all these people with a face mask, if we were such great slaves, it wouldn't require 12 years of mandated schooling and it wouldn't require a trillion dollar propaganda campaigns and incessant meddling with our minds. And above and beyond all else, we wouldn't have an imagination. Imagination in and of itself is revolutionary, because it can think beyond the system. So either that means invariably two possibilities. Either that's a bullshit story, it's a form of ancient propaganda, or they were incompetent geneticists. What are the two? Either way, that doesn't make them the fucking gods in my book. So I don't know if it is, I don't know if they are real or not, but they certainly don't qualify as gods in my book. My god is humanity, integrity, and truth, their principles. And that's what gods mean. And those are the only things that are infallible. [Speaker 2] (1:04:21 - 1:04:47) Well, there's no denying that there's a natural cosmic order to things, right? Like if anyone really is to observe reality and understand what the great hermetic axiom, as above, so below, as within, so without, is really pointing at, and this continually unfolding process that is human, that is spirit, that is God through us, then yeah, I don't believe that either. [Speaker 1] (1:04:49 - 1:05:03) Yeah, no, I just don't buy it, cousin. And don't get me wrong, I'm aware of my ignorance of the little, little, little, little, teeny, teeny bit that I think I know, but it just doesn't make logical sense. It just does not make logical sense. [Speaker 3] (1:05:03 - 1:05:04) So do you believe in aliens? [Speaker 1] (1:05:06 - 1:05:12) Well, it depends on how you define aliens, but I definitely believe they are possibly both. [Speaker 3] (1:05:12 - 1:05:13) Is there a galactic federation? [Speaker 1] (1:05:15 - 1:06:37) It's interesting you mentioned that. There was a hacker named Gary McKinnon. He actually hacked into, I think it was NASA's computers, and they did try to pursue him. They tried to get him to come to the US to prosecute him. And he claims that there is. He claims when looked into the information, they have entire spaceship fleets that are named after, just like we would name vessels and so on and so forth. He also claimed there was an entire department dedicated to photoshopping UFOs out of images. And it was a very quiet story. They didn't pay much attention to it. So it always goes on my radar. And then there's other interesting stories like Phil Schneider, the guy about the underground bunkers, and how he suicided himself. His friend also suicided himself, and he specifically said he would never commit suicide. He claimed there's all kinds of different alien species already on Earth. So I think it's, objectively speaking, if it is true that there are, you know, they say there's hundreds of billions of Earth-like planets in our galaxy alone. And then based on what they claim, there's allegedly two trillion, with a T, trillion galaxies in the known universe. That's unquantifiable. And to imagine that there's some other species there that has already mapped out the entire universe, galaxies, and so on and so forth, and probably come here and colonize this place. And what's going on in this place is probably going on multiple planets. It's a logical possibility to consider. [Speaker 3] (1:06:39 - 1:06:43) So cool to think about. Yeah, I just love thinking about it. [Speaker 1] (1:06:43 - 1:06:46) Look, I think that we're going to get a lot of answers in our lifetime. [Speaker 3] (1:06:47 - 1:06:48) Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:06:48 - 1:06:57) Well, whatever's going on right now in our world, I can tell you with, I mean, I don't want to say I can tell you, but I suspect, and I confidently suspect that it's coming from the highest levels. [Speaker 3] (1:06:57 - 1:06:58) Gotcha. [Speaker 1] (1:06:58 - 1:07:00) And the highest level may not be with your authority. [Speaker 3] (1:07:01 - 1:07:04) Yeah, that's my, that's my suspicion. [Speaker 2] (1:07:04 - 1:07:10) So do you think, do you think this is like a counter to a greater natural disclosure that is happening? [Speaker 1] (1:07:12 - 1:07:20) When you say a greater natural disclosure, do you mean are you like insinuating in terms of the reports that have been coming out about UFOs and stuff? [Speaker 2] (1:07:20 - 1:07:43) Well, are there, are there, are there opposing forces? Is there, is there one force that wants humanity to be aware of something further than what they know in terms of a galactic family, quote unquote, and could what we're experiencing now be some kind of counter to stop or prevent that in some kind of way? That's just an idea. [Speaker 1] (1:07:44 - 1:08:54) I think that what you're saying actually happened already many, many thousands of years ago, maybe tens of thousands, maybe even millions of years ago. I think that's why we have a collective amnesia and that's why very clearly when you go into, there's a good book, The Forbidden Archaeologist and just similar information. Graham Hancock has also got some interesting stuff where there's very a clear and concerted effort to ensure that people do not awaken to the past, that they do not look into the ancient history. So my suspicion is, and again, this is just me purely speculating, that there is truth to that. It was actually not long ago there were scientists that speculated that human beings come from Mars. They were very serious about that. But my suspicion is we are currently faced with a situation where the enemy, thousands, possibly tens of thousands, maybe millions of years ago, gained the upper hand. So that collective awakening, I think this is a struggle that's been a long time in the making, man. What a great time for us to be alive. [Speaker 3] (1:08:55 - 1:08:55) It is. [Speaker 1] (1:08:56 - 1:09:17) It's a privilege and it's so interesting to consider why. Is it chance? Is it choice? Is it fate? Like why are we here specifically now? But whatever the reason may be, we are here and whether we go down swinging or we wave that flag triumphantly, everybody, anybody, needs to stand the fuck up and fight back. [Speaker 3] (1:09:18 - 1:09:26) Yeah. You're doing a lot of speculation, which I appreciate. What do you speculate is going to happen in the next two to three years? [Speaker 1] (1:09:28 - 1:10:34) Very difficult to say, but I think the push towards transhumanism is going to become clearer. There's a lot of possibilities, again. So depending on how this all plays out, depending on how the population responds to the measures being taken against them, there's other cards that can be played, right? There's other chess moves that can be implemented. They can impose an internet blackout, which I'm surprised they haven't already done, because that's probably the most skillful move on their part, because that's really what's undermining them. That's what's been undermining them. If there's one thing that they need to reset, it's the internet. There could also be some massive civil war, as predicted in the social dilemma film, because that'll also justify rolling back on the internet. It could be an unprecedented false flag, some kind of alien invasion, real or simulated. There's a lot of possibilities, but I think in the next three years, we're already living through some crazy shit now, but I think it's going to get crazier. [Speaker 2] (1:10:35 - 1:10:50) Isn't the reality that we're currently living through a depopulation event? It's taking place right here, right now, in the form of this vaccine? Our immune system is being completely shot from this constant mask wearing. [Speaker 1] (1:10:51 - 1:14:04) The thing is with that, we can speculate, but what is indisputable in reference to depopulation is currently around 8% of the world's population, which is half a billion people, around the UN's universities. It's a mainstream source. They claim that 8% of the world's population, roughly half a billion people, are being pushed into poverty. I've surfed through science all the time. That's why when this stuff started, I knew what was coming. I know about these studies. There's decades of these studies, and they span continents. When unemployment goes up, deaths go up. Heart attacks go up. Every disease you can think of goes up. When stress is accentuated, premature death from all causes goes up. Social anxiety, all of that, deaths go up. An additional 130 million people are also starving to death. This was just a report that came out in 2020. In that way, and that's the World Food Programme that said that, in that way, we have mainstream sources talking about 130 billion people, at least, starving to death. That is depopulation because it's unnecessary. Then the other thing is half a billion people that are being pushed into unemployment. Then, of course, suicide spikes also with unemployment. Suicide spikes when there's this huge social isolation. Social isolation also accentuates the risk of premature death. There's that. That is clearly depopulation. It's indisputable. It doesn't matter how we feel about it. The world is getting depopulated because of these lockdowns. That's the reality. They blame it on the coronavirus, but the coronavirus is not a fucking policymaker. Governments are policymakers. They are the ones that make the decision. In terms of the vaccine itself, from what I've looked into, there's a couple of possibilities with that as well. Sukrit Bhakti, he had a pretty insightful take on what the vaccines do. He's an immunologist. He's also a microbiologist. He's somebody that he knows about this stuff. He's a Thai-German expert, highly cited. Of course, now they're trying to undermine him because he's been so vocal against all of this. He's had a pretty good explanation in this one interview. In other ones, not so good. Scientists aren't the best at communicating their thoughts, unfortunately. But he explained that what this does is it hypersensitizes your immune response. Even if you don't have a bad reaction initially, in the future when you encounter other coronaviruses, which you undoubtedly will, because we have been encountering coronaviruses since we were born, pretty much. All of our lives, there are many coronaviruses. The next time that you encounter one, it could be a year from now, it could be two years, it could be three, four, five, your immune system is going to have a hypersensitive immune reaction to that that could potentially be lethal, which is very, very dangerous, very, very dangerous. Then, of course, there's also the prospect of it being used like for some kind of nanotech, right? They could be putting some shit inside you. [Speaker 2] (1:14:05 - 1:14:08) Yeah, who knows? Linked with the 5G? [Speaker 3] (1:14:09 - 1:14:10) Keep that shit away from me. [Speaker 1] (1:14:11 - 1:14:17) Yeah, it's very eerie how it has very much coincided with the release of 5G, all of this. [Speaker 2] (1:14:18 - 1:14:34) Oh, absolutely. I mean, I've said this before, but I think for anyone with discerning eyes, the slow, but not so slow, tiptoe, but not so tiptoe towards transhumanism is quite obvious. [Speaker 1] (1:14:35 - 1:14:49) Absolutely. And at this point, it's so obsessive and rabied and uncompromising, this push. I just don't see how people can't be just a little fucking suspicious. I mean, damn, you know? [Speaker 2] (1:14:50 - 1:15:20) Well, let's get into that. I mean, convenience is the killer, right? Comfort is the killer. And that's all they've been conditioned to want and care about. It's the removal of responsibility. It's the disintegration of the self, of the individual. So however easier life can be for me, I'm going to take it. You know what I mean? If you're going to give me a donut for a vaccine, then fine, I'll take the donut. Yeah, homosexual style. [Speaker 3] (1:15:20 - 1:15:31) It beats questioning every belief that has been handed to me or that I've absorbed into my consciousness from day one of birth. They're like, nah, thinking, self-knowledge, challenging my beliefs, nah, fuck that shit, give me a donut. [Speaker 1] (1:15:32 - 1:15:33) All right. [Speaker 3] (1:15:33 - 1:15:34) I'm good. [Speaker 1] (1:15:34 - 1:16:12) Give me donuts and free beer and fucking concert tickets and enter me into the lottery. I mean, it's so silly, this shit. Well, look, one of the saddest things in all of this that I've as well seen is where you see certain individuals that you would never think they would fall for this kind of shit, fall for it. And even celebrities who seem like pretty fucking cool people are just being a fucking mindless echo in all of this. Like, for example, I saw, let's say The Rock. The Rock is an extremely fit individual. He doesn't have to fucking promote vaccines. That's highly irresponsible. [Speaker 3] (1:16:13 - 1:16:17) Yeah, but I believe he's got some dirt on him. [Speaker 1] (1:16:17 - 1:16:19) Look, and that's also very possible. [Speaker 3] (1:16:20 - 1:16:34) I'm really curious about that whole idea of compromised positions by some of these people in power. And then what's the right trigger or the right life, the world event to cash in on all these with some of these celebrities? Yeah, it's a very real thing. [Speaker 2] (1:16:35 - 1:16:47) Well, the latest article now is Jennifer Aniston has ditched all her unvaxxed friends. So just the little programming, right? The little set of division kind of thing coming in there. [Speaker 3] (1:16:47 - 1:16:57) And it happens, there's these little themes in the media that happen all at once. So you just see this full pronged assault from every angle from, you know, on the internet. [Speaker 1] (1:16:57 - 1:16:58) It's so obvious. [Speaker 3] (1:16:58 - 1:17:11) Yeah, it just seems so obvious to me. They use the same languaging at a certain time. And that seems to be the thing right now, what you're saying, Joel. So I don't know. It's interesting to think about. So what are you guys? [Speaker 1] (1:17:12 - 1:17:25) Go for it. Sorry, go ahead. No, you go. Okay, cool. No, you go. Okay, I'll go. No, you go. You go. Let me ask you guys, are you familiar with Plato's allegory of the cave? Yes. [Speaker 3] (1:17:26 - 1:17:29) Yes. Though I'd love to hear your interpretation and explanation of it. [Speaker 1] (1:17:30 - 1:17:46) Yeah, it's just basically when the media, they overwhelmingly focus on one thing, it's the same old bullshit. You know, that story is from over 2,300 years ago, and it's just shadows in the cave. That's all it is. They're shining up the shadows, and they want you to see those shadows. It's as simple as that. [Speaker 2] (1:17:47 - 1:18:17) How are, like, what I understand is, how are people still paying attention to the media? How are still people giving any worth to anything that will go on Netflix? How are people still being gaslighted by this mechanism, this organization that has lied to them over and over and over again? Such confusion, such to and fro, right? I mean, that's the basis of psychological warfare, is the fact that none of this makes fucking sense, and they've changed their minds on these things. [Speaker 3] (1:18:17 - 1:18:18) People love their chains. [Speaker 1] (1:18:18 - 1:18:36) Oh, bro. Yeah, look, it's like Voltaire said, it is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere, and that's the fucking truth, man. Very, very difficult. And interestingly, you just reminded me, Netflix, and this is so bizarre, but Netflix, I think it's the grandson of the great-grandson of Edward Bernays. [Speaker 3] (1:18:37 - 1:18:38) Edward Bernays. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:18:38 - 1:18:40) No fucking way. No way. [Speaker 3] (1:18:40 - 1:18:41) Yes. Yeah, it is. [Speaker 1] (1:18:42 - 1:18:42) No joke. [Speaker 3] (1:18:43 - 1:18:45) Is his name Mark something? I don't know. [Speaker 1] (1:18:45 - 1:18:56) I can't remember his name. And then the other dude that's involved with him has got connections to military intelligence. It's ridiculous, man. And that's how these cats normally operate. It's like generational. [Speaker 3] (1:18:56 - 1:19:06) These families, man, you know? There's generations. They'll change their name, they'll marry into this family, you know, they'll be a descendant, but the shit goes way back. [Speaker 2] (1:19:06 - 1:19:28) Like, just on Netflix, thinking back on it, like, I turned... I'm not vegan now, but I was vegan for a long time because of those two documentaries on Netflix, right? Cowspiracy and What the Health. And now we see the whole vegan fake meat agenda coming out, plus, obviously, the climate change string. But yeah, man. [Speaker 1] (1:19:28 - 1:19:32) Climate change has been coming for a long time, ever since Al Gore's fucking bullshit documentary. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:19:32 - 1:19:37) What a joke. Yeah, Mark Bernays Randolph is his name. That's insane. [Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:48) Randolph. I wonder if he's in any way... No, no, I'm thinking of something else. Never mind. That's fucking insane. [Speaker 3] (1:19:48 - 1:19:50) Getting ahead of myself. Yeah, if it says here... [Speaker 1] (1:19:50 - 1:20:26) But that's how it is, cousin. That's how it is. I mean, like, just off the top of my head, the Bush family, they've got generations as well of different criminals. Obviously, we've got Prince Scott Bush who worked with the Nazis. But if you go further back to the Walker bloodline, so George Walker Bush, the Walker bloodline were prominent family, I mean, slave traders. These people go back, man. And they've been causing death and destruction on our planet for an incredibly long time. And while we argue and blame each other for the bullshit that they've created, they just laughing all the way to the back. [Speaker 3] (1:20:27 - 1:20:47) Yeah, it's like that one meme that has been going around for so long of all, like, I think Bush and all the old guys laughing. You know, they're like laughing and then people just put whatever they want on it. And it's the truth, man. That's why I think like multiple times a month, I think, man, I wish George Carlin was alive during this whole thing, man. I'd just love to hear what you have to say. [Speaker 1] (1:20:48 - 1:20:56) He's actually got a really awesome video where he talks specifically about people's fear of diseases. Because I made a meme. [Speaker 3] (1:20:56 - 1:20:58) The meme system one. Yeah, it's great. [Speaker 1] (1:20:58 - 1:21:00) Yes. Yeah, I made a meme for him. [Speaker 3] (1:21:00 - 1:21:02) Fucking swimming in the Hudson River or whatever. [Speaker 1] (1:21:02 - 1:21:04) Yeah, he was brutal, man. He was fucking brutal, man. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:21:05 - 1:21:15) What's the cool thing, bro? Sorry? What's that one called? The George Carlin. I mean, just do Google, like search online for George Carlin germs or something. Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:21:15 - 1:21:44) And if you look, if you can't find it, I'll send it to you. But you should be able to find it that the dude who has, I think he does those comic drawings, you know, where they draw all the guy talks and stuff. He made one specifically on that as well. I've noticed whoever that individual is, he's slowly trying to wake people up, you know, but in an innocuous way, a kind of gentle way. I think he just got rid of Instagram. Oh, he did? No, really? Yeah, he did. Yeah, it happens, brother. [Speaker 2] (1:21:44 - 1:22:30) Man, on that note, I've got this quote here. I wonder if you can tell me who it's by. The greatest threat to mankind and all of life on this beautiful planet is not climate change, overpopulation, terrorism, racism, resource scarcity, or some deadly disease. No, the greatest threat to mankind is the same today as it was over a thousand years ago. We are ruled by parasitical psychopaths who plunge us into war, manipulate us against each other, and flood our minds with fear, hate, bigotry, and ignorance with every chance that they get. By the 21st century philosopher Gavin Nascimento. It's insane, bro. It's insane to think how far back these people have been pulling the strings and they're really just the same people. [Speaker 1] (1:22:31 - 1:23:54) Yeah, look, the allegory of the keg is also something that I like to mention to people. It's a really good start to points. Also, Ancient Rome is a very good case study because what people don't realize is back then, if we were alive to back then, let's say, right, we're having this conversation, what was being advertised by the propagandists which represented the media or the architecture, which was also a form of propaganda back then, what was being held up to people is that they lived in a democratic republic. They believed that. And if you had made the claim that one man, Augustus, Gaius Octavius, who was the first emperor of Rome, that he was really in control of everything, people would have said that you are batshit crazy. Oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist. But now in hindsight, historically, we know that this one guy was really pulling all the strings. His successor later on, was it Caligula? Oh, no, no, Tiberius before Caligula. Tiberius, he didn't even live in Rome. He lived on an island in the middle of nowhere. And he was the emperor. He controlled the place. So when we say stuff like this today, people think it's nonsensical, it's bullshit, it's ridiculous. But that's why history is so important, because it allows you to align yourself with objective reality, beyond public speculation, beyond subjective opinions, beyond things that can easily be manipulated when people have no knowledge of the past. [Speaker 2] (1:23:56 - 1:24:17) Absolutely, man. And one thing I'm noticing, I'm not putting everyone in the same boat, but with some sections of the quote, unquote, truth community, is that they disdain history now also, because it's like, on what level have we been lied to? I mean, where do we go to look for actual history now? I mean, what element of our history is still... [Speaker 1] (1:24:17 - 1:29:44) It's very, very difficult. That's where the work lies too. That's very difficult. It's discernment, bro. And it is about discernment. That's a big one. Yes. And the thing is that the methodology, see, that's what is so important for people to understand. The methodology of a ruling class, it hasn't fundamentally changed over the ages. They just, they remix it. That's all they do. You know, like I made that meme about, for example, with the so-called Bolshevik Revolution, or the Communist Revolution. And, you know, they had this huge Cold War scare, the Red Scare, and what they did with this was they used it as justification to spike taxes, to get people to pay higher taxes, to finance defense, also pass new restrictive laws to censor freedom of speech, to target certain groups, not just so-called communists, but also anarchists and anybody you wanted to lay blame on. And Emma Golden, for example, she was a famous anarchist. They deported her. And then this also resulted in record profits for the military-industrial complex. And it was also used as justification to invade democratically elected governments all around the world, right? In Congo, in Chile, in Guatemala, in all these different places that had nothing to do with communism. Well, in hindsight, we now know from Professor Anthony Sutton, brilliant researcher. If there's one person I'll tell people to look into, it's always Anthony Sutton's work. Absolutely brilliant, meticulous, great researcher, verified information, not just speculation and bullshit. He wrote a book called Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, where he showed that they were bankrolled. The communist revolution was bankrolled by Wall Street. The Soviet military regime was bankrolled by the Western establishment. So they brought this narrative. So they create the fear problem, right? You create a problem. You anticipate the reaction, which is fear. Fear is great for control. Machiavelli wrote about that in The Prince several centuries ago. It's one of the greatest mechanisms of control. Problem, reaction, and then you provide a solution, right? Oh, you know, we're going to pass new laws for your safety. We need more taxpayers' money for your safety. We need to go and invade this country for your safety. After that, then they did it with the war on drugs. Oh, drugs are this invisible enemy is going to come get you. What do we have to do? So we have to pass new stringent laws. We have to target certain individuals. We have to spend more money and send more people to prison, right? And then this results in record profits for the prison industrial complex. Then they do the same thing with the war on terrorism. And you've got the 9-11 event. Well, a four-year peer-reviewed study shows that from Professor Hulsey at Alaska University shows the official story is absolutely impossible. And the architects and engineers movement, they have showed it's fucking bullshit. It's absolutely bullshit. In addition to that, then also you have the FBI creating fake terror plots, as documented by Trevor Aronson in his book, The Terror Factory, where over 95% of so-called terrorist plots are actually concocted, created, and they are fake from the FBI. So when you see this repeated theme, you see problem, reaction, solution, problem, reaction, solution. Now, with this COVID-19 bullshit, you look at the lockdown, the study that kickstarted all of this came from Imperial College London. Imperial College London is a big pharma vaccine partner. So they have huge conflicts of interest. They also have a history of terrible predictions. The guy who led the study, Professor Neil Ferguson, yeah, Professor Neil Ferguson, this motherfucker, he's a past paid consultant of GlaxoSmithKline, the leading vaccine producer in the world and half in the world. Imperial College London also, I think it's two or three of their past presidents come directly from the big pharma vaccine industry. That same month they produced those results, they got over $90 million from the Gates Foundation. And then since that time, and then since that time, because this study was never published in the science journal, it was never fucking peer reviewed, but it's known that this was the study that kickstarted lockdowns all around the world. Since that time, independent researchers and other scientists have tried to replicate the findings and they said, and I quote, it is impossible to do. It is impossible. That's the shit that led us into this. And now when you look at the actual objective statistics in, I don't know about all the countries, but this I looked at just the other day, in the US and Italy, and I would imagine it's similar in different parts of the world. In these countries, 95% of deaths are people over the age of 65, less than 1%, less than 1% are in people under the age of 29. I mean, not mentioning that kind of shit is highly, highly deceptive, highly surreptitious. If you look at Worldometer, which is trusted for this statistical analysis all over the world, including Johns Hopkins University gets the statistics from them. Over the past year, more than 99% of people who have been infected have been in, I quote, in mild condition. And studies repeatedly show that natural immunity has between, I think it's 80 something percent to 100% reliability. And the World Health Organization, they documented that shit themselves last, oh, excuse me, in June in their own publication. So you see the same pattern, in ancient Rome, it was the barbarians. Oh, the barbarians are scary. Oh, we need more of your taxpayer money. We need to defend you. It's the same shit over and over and over. So when you learn about it, it becomes a lot easier to see through the bullshit. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:29:45 - 1:29:47) It's a loop. Loop, right? [Speaker 1] (1:29:47 - 1:29:49) That's it. Different context. Just remixing. [Speaker 2] (1:29:49 - 1:29:51) Time goes on as technology marches forward. [Speaker 1] (1:29:52 - 1:30:06) Just remixing it, brother. And each establishment, what they'll do is they'll expose our backwards and the corruption of the previous establishment. So then the people of this current generation think they're so sophisticated and fucking woke and all that shit. But it's the same old bullshit. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:30:06 - 1:30:21) This whole thing, we think, oh man, how can everyone just fall for this? But people think they're so woke or too smart to be fooled. Yeah, absolutely. It comes down to, I can never be fooled. I'm so smart. I have all the good vices. But who you're educated by. Yeah, exactly. [Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:59) Yeah, absolutely. And you see, that's the other thing. The foundation of all, excuse me, knowledge and awareness, and I'm paraphrasing somebody else who may have been attributed to Confucius or even Socrates. The foundation of all understanding, awareness and knowledge is the awareness and realization of your own ignorance. All of us are ignorant. It is inescapable. Because what reality represents is it's impossible to digest all of that. And like we were saying now, we don't know how many dimensions there are. We don't know how many galaxies there are. We don't know how many planets there are. What we know is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction. It's very, very, very small. [Speaker 3] (1:30:59 - 1:32:08) It's so humbling. And I always come back to that when people feel like they're so sure of themselves. And yes, I can be self-righteous at times and think that I have the answers. But it's like, man, there's so much fucking history and time and things. And you're gonna sit here, you've been on this planet for however long in this period. And you're gonna sit here and be like, oh yeah, that's fucking bullshit. That's bullshit. You're crazy. Like what? Like how many millions of years? What is the history of this planet? Who was here? What galaxies? What spaceships landed here? If they did, if they... Like just to be open to that possibility is so humbling, man. It's like, I'm in awe. It's awesome to think about that. It's absolutely awesome. And I think that's the driving force between... Can we talk? Driving force of why we do what we do. And we do it to certain levels. And even this conversation, this is humbling and proving my ignorance because there's things and rabbit holes that you've gone down and things that you said. I was like, oh, I haven't read that book. I haven't gone through that line of research. And so I'm open to that. I love that, man. I love when I connect with people and they're just dropping some wisdom and knowledge. I'm like, man, that's dope. [Speaker 1] (1:32:10 - 1:34:16) And see, that's a beautiful thing because that right there is the mentality we need to collectively develop. Because when we exchange knowledge and when we exchange ideas, we enrich ourselves, right? Like you don't lose anything by entertaining or learning something from somebody else. But when you engage in debate, you don't gain anything. The only thing you lose is your peace. You don't gain anything. You know what I mean? And let me not say debate. Let me rather say argument because you can have a civil debate. But when you have these rabid debates and it becomes a screaming match, nothing is developed from that, right? There's no value. Yeah, there's no value. I think one of the biggest things that troubles me, and fortunately, I've undertaken a very unique path that has allowed me to just put that shit so far from my site. It's practically non-existent, but it's tribalism in its various forms. And tribalism manifests in many ways. It can be, it's your sense of identity, right? Oh, I'm this religion. I'm atheist. I'm this political party. I'm a capitalist. I'm this skin color. For me, the most important thing is that we have an uncompromising commitment to the principles of humanity, to the principles of integrity, to the principles of truth, which is normally why people follow their political party or their religion. They believe those things represent those principles, but those principles are not in need of a mask. Only deception needs a mask. Those principles are self-evident. And if you allow that to guide you, it becomes so much easier. The world is far less complicated to us. And to interpret, because then you realize, wow, you get good and bad and everything. There's some good people and there's some bad people. And what I need to do is try my very best to strive to be a decent human being, right? I need to strive to find the truth because if my struggle, if my mission is to ascertain and pursue the truth, then even if I'm wrong and the other person is so quote unquote right, the truth is still established. So my mission is accomplished. [Speaker 2] (1:34:18 - 1:34:20) And I don't think anything more needs to be said on this podcast on that. [Speaker 3] (1:34:22 - 1:34:33) Thank you so much, brother, for coming on for real. It's a pleasure to meet you. Obviously, I've heard your name before in this alternative research truth movement, and it's great to have you on. [Speaker 1] (1:34:36 - 1:34:45) I'm so sorry about the beginning, by the way. I was thinking, fuck, man, this is, I actually swapped rooms. I took the table out the one room and shit. [Speaker 3] (1:34:45 - 1:34:46) It's all good, man. [Speaker 2] (1:34:46 - 1:34:55) I'm so glad things worked out and we were able to have this conversation because I am personally enhanced by it. And as I'm sure we all are. [Speaker 3] (1:34:55 - 1:34:56) Me too, brother. Thank you. [Speaker 2] (1:34:57 - 1:34:58) Good vibes, man. [Speaker 3] (1:34:58 - 1:35:00) For sure, brother. [Speaker 2] (1:35:01 - 1:35:09) What are you doing at the moment? Anything you want to tell our listeners, plug your platforms, any programs, coaching? [Speaker 1] (1:35:11 - 1:36:22) Yeah, look, I've been doing a lot of coaching for a long time. I've only got a handful of people. So it's not like I'm this highly sought after life coach, right? But I've got a handful of people that I work with and I am open to that, but I have limited availability. Right now, I'm trying to plug as well, my Patreon and my Subscribestar. I'm trying to push that because we do, we have to develop some independence. I'm a little bit upset with myself because I did see this shit coming. And of course, it's very human of us to have this vulnerability of this normalcy bias. You know, it'll come and whatever, I'll deal with it when it comes. Then when it comes, you get slapped on your ass. You're like, damn it, why? Yeah, so there's basically that. It's difficult to find time, but there are many other things I'm in the process of doing. I'm still writing a book. That's a big thing I want to do. I want to leave something. You know, I want to leave something to guide people and something that's good. It's tangible, it's palpable, not just random bullshit, things that you can actually verify. So yeah, I'm doing that. I'm doing a bit of the life coaching and then the Patreon and the subscribe store. I'm trying to plug that as much as possible. Cool, everyone. [Speaker 3] (1:36:22 - 1:36:33) So listen, you know, don't have those two cups of coffees a month. You know, hook up our boy Gavin here with his Patreon. Come on our Patreon, get a wealth of knowledge and information. [Speaker 1] (1:36:33 - 1:37:00) And just one dollar a month. Yeah, so just one dollar a month. I mean, come on, you can fucking pay a dollar a month. I mean, come on. Exactly. And listen, though, at the same time, and it's because you get people very skeptical and they're like, oh, this guy wants fucking money. People have a strong aversion to that, even though they give shitloads of money to the criminal fucking governments around the world. And I know they don't have much choice in that, right? Or they give money to all these products that fucking are toxic. [Speaker 3] (1:37:00 - 1:37:02) Or Netflix, like $15 a month on Netflix. [Speaker 1] (1:37:03 - 1:38:39) Right, so there's these things. But I assure you guys, there's nothing more precious than knowledge and truth. I know this for myself, because when I was having those suicidal thoughts, when I was suffering from anxiety, what literally saved my life was knowledge and truth. And it was from that moment, now in hindsight, like you guys were asking me about this, I recall very clearly now, it was from that that I realized, fuck, if I can do this for myself, I can help other people with this information, right? If I can come, because I was way down. I was weak. I was, my lip used to do the cha-cha. I couldn't even have a conversation on one-on-one with people. I couldn't even go to the store to get the alcohol to numb my nerves, to be social without having a panic attack. So when I realized I could go through that, coming from like the lowest of low, and build myself up and to become self-confident and to become stronger because of knowledge and truth, not because of myself. Don't get me wrong, I'm a tough dude. I've got the capability to endure pain, but I was at my wits end. The knowledge and truth was capable of saving me. And it's a duty of all of us to find a way to preserve and amplify the knowledge and truth that we wanna see proliferated in this world. Because by default, if we don't, the propagandists and the people that need to do harm, they are going to put terrible things out in this world. Things that are meant to enslave, things that are meant to exploit. And with all of that said, if you get people that are super skeptical, no matter what, I always tell people, I'm still gonna do my best to pursue this path, whether people are gonna finance me or not. It's much appreciated, but it's never expected. Of course. [Speaker 2] (1:38:40 - 1:39:09) It's time, bro. The winds are changing. You deserve it. Everyone out there that is on this path and pursuing this path of authenticity, of truth, of trying to enhance that in our world and to share that. I really feel that this is our time because Babylon is falling, bro. It's crumbling around us and people are looking now. And as soon as this podcast ends, bro, I'll be subscribing to your Patreon. I guarantee you that. Thank you, my brother. [Speaker 1] (1:39:09 - 1:39:12) You're a good man. Oh, what a legend. Cool, man. [Speaker 2] (1:39:12 - 1:39:27) All right, guys. We'll leave all Gavin's links in the show notes here so you can be directed to where he is online. Thank you for listening. Thank you for being here. Gavin, brother, absolute pleasure. And we'd love to do this again down the line, man. Definitely. For sure. [Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:32) For sure. Me too, cousin. Much love. Yeah, man. Thanks a lot, brother. Cool, man. Thanks. Cool.