Joel & Yerasimos The Authentic Path: Revisited

(0:00 - 0:12) So Rise Above the Herd is our 10-week group coaching program that Joel and I created. This is what, two and a half years ago now? We've had 11 amazing transformative rounds. And this is our 12th round running it. (0:12 - 0:28) And it will be our last and final live round guiding individuals in this container. So, you know, if this is something that you want, if this is something that you've been hearing about, or if this is your first time hearing about this, like this program changes lives. I mean, you can go to the website and you can read all about it. (0:28 - 0:40) But if you really want to uplevel your game, if you're not happy with the life that you're living, you know, maybe you're fully successful and made lots of money, but you're not happy with who you are. And you want to take the next step in your life. You want to grow self-esteem. (0:41 - 0:46) You want to be more empowered. You want to have better relationships. You want to get to know your body on a different level. (0:46 - 1:02) I mean, we pretty much have a program within a program. We have Dr. Sophie Fletcher that's leading five nervous system workshops during this as well. So if you want to increase your somatic intelligence as well and just become ultimately just a better version of yourself, then come on this ride with us. (1:02 - 1:05) We start March 4th. It's 10 weeks. Okay. (1:05 - 1:16) And it really is one of a kind. So you can go to the website here for the truth.com slash wrath to read all about it. And also there's an opportunity for you to book a free call with Joel and myself. (1:16 - 1:24) If you have any questions about anything. Yeah. So we look forward to welcoming you in the program and we'd love to go on this journey with you. (1:25 - 1:38) You are now listening to the here for the truth podcast hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the here for the truth podcast. (1:38 - 1:58) I'm Joel Rafiti and I have my co-host Yerasimos with me. Here we are 225 episodes in to this podcast. And we started this podcast, episode one, May 2021 with walking the authentic path. (1:59 - 2:28) We recorded a little kind of series early on when it came to walking the authentic path, but it's been a while. So we kind of want to revisit this idea and kind of re-explore this theme of what it means to walk the authentic path, take the road less traveled, live the uncommon life, which usually requires uncommon courage. And I guess through reflection and through our own stories and shares, kind of see what can be extrapolated and what value can be brought to this conversation. (2:29 - 2:51) So Yerasimos, how are you doing, man? I'm doing well. I'm just smiling and laughing actually, because I'm just thinking about the origin of our relationship and how it came about. And even just thinking about the first episode and thinking of the visuals and we just got on Zoom and we didn't have a microphone and my camera angle was like all janky. (2:51 - 3:16) And it's just, yeah, man, I look back with fondness and just to see where we've come and how this journey, I think, exemplifies what it means to walk the authentic path, where we made a decision. We met, quote unquote, I want to say randomly, but I think a lot of people know our story, you know, you reached out. There's many that probably don't. (3:16 - 3:39) So it might be worth exploring the origins a little bit. Okay, sure. Well, for maybe people that are new to our podcast, that haven't heard us talk about it before, that haven't listened to the earlier episodes, going back to 2021, well, actually 2020, my wife and I were invited on the Unslaved podcast with Michael Bazarian and David Whitehead to talk about awakening somatic intelligence and the importance of the body in personal development. (3:40 - 3:56) And Joel also was a member of the Unslaved platform. And I'm sure he can fill in certain elements too from his end. But one day I went on Instagram and, you know, on Instagram, if you don't follow someone and they send you a message, it shows up in your requests folder. (3:57 - 4:24) So I had, I think, a couple of requests that day and I go on and I'm like, oh, Joel Rafiti, who's this person? It wasn't like some random message like, I'm going to grow your followership, 500,000 people, or hey, do you want to promote my gold jewelry? I read the requests that come in. And so I go, oh, who is this guy? Like, you know, he was a conscious hip hop artist. He was into divination work. (4:25 - 4:40) And of course, you know, he messaged me saying that, hey, he got a lot of the episode, a lot out of the episode with Sophie and myself. And then what began there was an exchange. You know, he, you know, Joel had been involved with the Sydney Freedom Community. (4:41 - 5:10) He had done an amazing track on vaccines that, you know, really, you know, really had an impact on me as someone who has kind of delved into this issue for a while as well. And so we realized that we were connected in a lot of ways and we had some similarities and we both cared about the process of seeking truth and that we wanted to just connect further. Initially, it was just about like, hey, maybe we get on an Instagram live and talk about our work and what we do. (5:11 - 5:29) And then we, I think, then got on Zoom quickly to connect and meet one another. And then we decided, well, we both had the desire to start a podcast or at least do a podcast. And we said, hey, let's just get on Zoom next week and press record and see what happens. (5:29 - 5:44) And what happened was episode one, Walking the Authentic Path, where we just talked about our journeys. We talked about, you know, the things that we've gone through that led us to that moment in our lives. So, I don't know if you want to add anything to that and then we can chat some more. (5:45 - 6:09) Yeah, it's kind of wild to think about for sure. But yeah, so this all happened around a very interesting time of my life personally when I was kind of rethinking consciously and in kind of forced ways as well, what my life would look like and what my kind of path would be. At the time, I had a falling out with my family business. (6:10 - 6:29) I used to like my entire life. Before that point, I was kind of just working within a family business with my dad and my brother in the construction industry in Sydney. And so, I walked away from that because it kind of just felt toxic, it felt suffocating, it felt crushing to my soul in certain ways. (6:29 - 7:15) And so, like something like that puts you in the point where you have to like really reconsider like what do I want to do? And what that brings to mind and I think this is going to be a common theme throughout this discussion is what am I interested in? And I really think that the authentic path is really just an incredibly convicted pursuit of one's interests. And by pursuing one's interests, that's going to lead you on a journey and force you to learn and force you to evolve in ways which I think are more so aligned, obviously, with who you were born to be. And so, at the time, I left the business and I decided that I'm interested in tarot. (7:15 - 7:30) I decided that I'm interested in divination. And this also came through Michael and Unslaved. So, I joined Michael's Mystery School and I spent a period of time when I was just in a library in the south coast of Sydney, studying tarot, studying divination. (7:31 - 7:41) And in the back of my mind thinking, okay, eventually, maybe I can build a business or build an income from this. It's something that I'm really interested in. It's something that I felt passionate about and therefore, I thought I could be good at. (7:42 - 8:05) And so, I went along that path. And in the midst of that, yeah, I heard that episode with Yerasmos and Sophie and I messaged Yerasmos at the time and we connected and Here For The Truth was born. And in the moment of even recording episode one, like there's no foresight to think that we'd be here now 225 episodes later with completely different lives, you know. (8:05 - 8:23) It's an immense amount of experiences under our belt individually and together in this process and kind of here we are. But just to kind of give some brief tidbits, it's like I was living in Australia. I now live in Mexico. (8:24 - 8:37) I was working in the construction industry. Now, I work in creative media, personal development, coaching. I felt kind of like every day was burdensome in the past. (8:38 - 8:56) Now, I feel kind of lit up and creatively inspired every single day with the freedom to pursue my interests. And I really think that's what's most important more than anything else. And we go through life and we enter into this system. (8:56 - 9:36) And we enter into a system of coercion from, I think, for most of us from the moment that we're kind of born, moving from hospitals, moving into schooling systems. And what this system of coercion does is when freedom is minimalized, we become confused about who we are. When we're not given the bounteousness of time and space initially to pursue the things that interest us, even as kids, to watch the things, to eat the things, to explore the things without constantly being told, oh, don't have too much of that. (9:36 - 9:52) Or maybe this isn't going to be good for you. Or maybe there's a stern limit here. And by these perceived authorities at the time that hold a lot of weight within our psyche, then we question the pursuit of our interests from a very, very early point. (9:53 - 10:17) And we feel as though pursuing our interests might lead to danger or might lead us to scenarios where we're going to be in trouble. And also, generally speaking, this is connected to the reality that the tribe or the collective or the masses of people aren't really creatively pursuing their interests. So when you do so, of course, it's going to lead you astray from that familiarity and from that comfort. (10:18 - 10:55) But I'm so fucking glad that within my life, there remained a core within me, like a light or something, which always whispered to me like, what choice do you have? Do you really want to be doing anything else? And there were certain moments where that light became very dim and I felt so buried psychologically. But I'm so grateful that there were times where I mustered the courage to be like, hell no, and to shake all the dust off me and to continue the path of pursuing my interests. Now, I know I've gone off the track here a little bit with the origin story. (10:55 - 11:06) But I think that's so important. I think it's the most human thing that we can do. Yeah, well said, man. (11:06 - 11:24) I hear you. And something I talk about often, especially in Rise Above the Herd, is how you have to be willing to disappoint people. And by that, I mean, your parents, your peers often, your social group, your friends. (11:25 - 12:06) People that project certain ideas on you or expectations on you on how you should live your life. If you're really honoring something deep within and it goes against the dictates of mom and dad, your teachers, then you have to be willing to face that. When they're like, are you sure you want to do that? Are you sure you want to leave that job? Are you sure you want to move to the other side of the world? Are you sure you want to drop out of college or whatever, whatever the case may be? And to talk about my personal story a little bit, I know I can probably chat for an hour on this, but I grew up in a Greek family, first generation Greek American. (12:07 - 12:27) My mom and dad came to this country. My dad came to this country with nothing and worked nonstop to build a foundation for a family. I think as is the case often when you're the child of immigrants, they have this idea on the path that you should take. (12:27 - 12:38) Especially in America, in the 80s or even before that, oh, you should be a doctor. You should be a lawyer. You should be a whatever. (12:38 - 12:57) Insert any profession that is looked upon as the ideal in, let's say, the Western world. And for me, school was one of those things where you just, I went to and I was able to get good grades and great. I didn't really think a lot about what I wanted to do. (12:58 - 13:08) I went to college in Boston and then I ended up, because I grew up in the restaurant business, I was like, oh, okay. I like making people happy. I like being of service. (13:09 - 13:17) This is cool. So I actually went to school for hotel and restaurant management. I thought I was going to become this big hotelier at some point. (13:17 - 13:21) Maybe in a parallel universe I was. I am. Maybe you are. (13:21 - 13:31) Maybe I am. But there came a moment where I was just like, this isn't what I want. I did the post-college job for two years. (13:31 - 13:40) Now this is, we're looking at right now, I graduated college in 2002. So I got a job working for a hotel company. I was managing. (13:40 - 13:50) I was wearing a suit and tie every day. And then it was post 9-11. So the climate in the hotel industry was a whole different thing. (13:52 - 14:07) And then I just had this moment, many decisions that happened in my life, especially since then, where there was something that came to me, like a thought, like an idea. And it was like, yep, that's it. That feels right. (14:08 - 14:16) And I went, I don't want to do this. I didn't want to work in the corporate hotel world. And so at 24 years old, I left. (14:16 - 14:27) I left this path that was laid before me. I think a lot of people, especially that I was working with, thought I was going to be in New York City or traveling around the world and working in that business. And then I was like, no, I don't want to do it. (14:28 - 14:40) And I took the time. I think this is what's important too, is you take the time to figure out who you are and what you want and to go towards the things that interest you. So I packed a suitcase full of books and I went to Greece. (14:40 - 14:49) This is where my family's from. And I did nothing but read books for like three months. And from there, it's like you start seeing what you're drawn to. (14:49 - 15:05) And obviously, I'm a student of human design, a teacher of human design. And so it's like, as a generator, those things that you're responding to, like a fuck, yes, or uh-huh, I'm into that, or no, I'm not into that. And that kind of guided me for the next period of my life. (15:06 - 16:09) And so when I'm speaking to all you here, it's like, what are those things that you know deep down inside of you that excite you, that lift you up, that you go, I want more of that, or I want to do that, or I want to read that, or I want to take that course, or I want to travel to that place? What's keeping you, too, from maybe going after the things or exploring the interests Joel mentioned before that you really want to explore? And so Joel mentioned it before, when we started our podcast, we had no idea where this would go. But we both followed that thing. What's the next thing? And so when I look back into my life, if you told me when I left my first post-college job in 2004, that 21 years later, I would be on Zoom with my business partner... Well, Zoom wasn't invented yet. (16:09 - 16:13) Yeah, exactly. Zoom wasn't invented yet. But I'd be on... Exactly. (16:13 - 16:41) I'd be on this thing where you'd be able to talk to people from all over the world, with my business partner, who I would have met online because my wife and I... I mean, if you told me I was going to be married back then, I would have been like, because it was like something that I was like, no, I'm never getting married. It's not my thing. That we'd have this business and that we would have created what we've created and that I would be living in Topanga and have chickens and fruit trees. (16:41 - 16:52) And I would have thought you were tripping. Like, there was no way that was going to be my life. And I couldn't even... I wouldn't have been able to think what the pathway would be to get to that point. (16:53 - 17:12) Yeah. But when you're just... Now, it doesn't mean you can't have a vision and have things that you want. But I think that when you just are trusting yourself and making decisions that are in alignment with that deeper intuitive voice within, you have no idea where one decision is going to take you to the next decision, which is going to take you to the next decision. (17:12 - 17:28) Yeah. Very often, the stepping stones look nothing like the outcome. And ferociously pursuing your interests step by step is far more important than pursuing a rigid objective. (17:29 - 17:47) Because where the pursuit of your interests takes you on a daily basis is something that usually you can't dream of. Where you end up, there's no way to envision that ending point. Not that there is an ending point when you start that journey. (17:48 - 17:52) So like, great. Have an objective. Aim for something. (17:52 - 18:37) But I think what's more important is like a regular check-in with myself of am I radically engaged in my interests today, as opposed to just single-mindedly continuing to pursue an objective that might need intuitive reassessment that now is feeling flat or is now feeling less than ideal. And like, there's so many examples throughout history of like businesses and entrepreneurs and individuals who now like whatever it is they're doing looks nothing like the steps that they took. I'm pretty sure Nintendo started as a toy company and etc, etc. (18:38 - 19:19) Like there's a bunch of examples that aren't coming to mind right now. Um, like again, like even just reflecting on my own journey, like when I left the family business, the construction business, and I decided to pursue my interest in tarot, that currently looks nothing like this podcast and personal development kind of business. But my interest in tarot, which correlated to my interest in the knowledge of Michael and the Unslaved podcast, led me to listening to a conversation with Erasmus and Sophie, which led me to sending a message, which led to us jumping on Zoom, which led to us feeling like, oh, wow, this feels amazing. (19:20 - 19:53) Let's find a way to monetize this so we can keep doing this, so we can keep experiencing this joy in recording podcasts and in talking to our mentors, which led us to the creation of Rise Above the Herd, our group coaching program, which then continued to feel amazing to inspire others. And so, as the steps evolve, your interests evolve and your interests morph, and this is how the authentic path ultimately is formed. And to me, like this life of pursuing one's interests, like this is the natural life. (19:54 - 20:09) Children, they learn the most when all their learning comes as a byproduct of them pursuing an interest, as opposed to a forced rigid system upon them. In terms of, I'm just going to tick a box. I'm just going to write the essay. (20:09 - 20:30) I'm just going to finish the math sequence, whatever it might be. But when they have a vision in mind, then they learn everything as a result. And this is the same process, like even like with us and starting the business and building a podcast, like by having an interest, our knowledge base is forced to expand to meet the vision of the path that we are walking. (20:31 - 20:37) And this is how people learn. This is how people develop skills. This is how people become really good at anything. (20:38 - 20:49) It's not because they force themselves to do the same thing over and over again. It's because what they were doing felt like play. It's the thing that they wanted to keep getting back to. (20:49 - 21:05) It's the thing that they wanted to keep doing, like children. They just wanted to be immersed in that little creative bubble, tinkering and morphing and playing and figuring things out, right? Problem solving, ultimately. And like, what a gift. (21:05 - 21:17) Problem solving is when it is connected to the pursuit of one's interests. And like, obviously, we're advocates of human design. Human design is something that's supported me immensely. (21:17 - 21:34) I think this is a universal principle. But even just looking at the human design statistics with two-thirds of the world's population being generators, meaning that you are here to pursue your joy. You are here to pursue what lights you up. (21:34 - 21:47) The axiom, follow your bliss, right, is meant for you. And yet, two-thirds of the population are living antagonistically to their design. They're living frustrated lives. (21:48 - 21:59) They're living rigid schedules. They're unable to schedule themselves in a way that lights them up. They don't have the freedom to pursue their interests. (21:59 - 22:52) And so, there's this core of frustration within the collective of all these generators that aren't fucking generated, right? And this path, like, it might be easier in the future as we raise children with more of a freedom maximalist mindset because there's less of that necessitation to disappoint people in that regard. My kids, by them going against me, by them being rebellious, by them being disobedient, by them saying, Dad, I want to do this instead of doing this, which you thought, that's not going to disappoint me, right? That's going to gather my support for them. So, I think in a healthy progression, that's different. (22:52 - 23:20) But because of the conditioning that has been so ingrained in today's society, pursuing your interests to this degree requires a level of uncommon courage, okay? It requires the credo of the entrepreneur, which at the core is the ability to take risk. It is the one who takes risk. And taking risk is going to lead you down this authentic path. (23:20 - 23:29) It's going to lead you down the path less trodden. And it's uncertain. It's unfamiliar, okay? And this is something that we've spoken about almost forever now. (23:30 - 23:59) And it's like, what we need more than anything else is to build that capacity for uncertainty because in building that capacity for uncertainty and discomfort, we build our capacity for truth and authenticity as well. We give our soul's incarnation in this unique period of time right now, the best opportunity to live out what we're really here to live out. So, let that purpose breathe. (23:59 - 24:08) Because for the majority of us, that purpose is just so suffocated. I'll end my rant there for now. It was a good rant. (24:08 - 24:22) And I just piggyback on that regarding the uncertainty is, again, you have to be a person of high self-esteem. Your nervous system needs to be as healthy as it can be. No, I don't think anyone's perfect in these regards. (24:23 - 24:47) But can you navigate these challenges, these basic challenges in life? Can you navigate the uncertainty when you make a decision? Do you have the ability to say no? Do you have the ability to set boundaries? I mean, if you're involved in a relationship that you're not happy with, if you're working a career that doesn't fulfill you, at some point, you have to be able to say no. Like, no, this is not working for me. I deserve more and I want more. (24:48 - 25:17) And then what do you do? Now, I think as you continue on in life, you know, in the decades past, and you're kind of going against yourself and you're betraying yourself more and more and more, when that moment comes, it's going to feel like the end of the world. It's going to feel that much harder, as opposed to, let's say, someone like, you know, you know, a few years of maybe living more of an inauthentic journey, and then they go, you know, fuck this shit. I want to make a change. (25:17 - 25:53) But you go 10 years, 20 years, doesn't mean that you can't do it. It just means that, like, you've accrued a certain amount of maybe debt of, like, living more of a quote-unquote lie, that then when you do make this choice, like, you're going to have to, like, face certain things that have been buried in your unconscious that are going to bubble up to the surface. But ultimately, on the other side, is a level of satisfaction, is a level of appreciation of self that, like, is, in some ways, I want to say, unfathomable. (25:53 - 26:40) Like, it's an amazing feeling to be able to make these- Yeah, it's priceless to make these changes. So, like, again, always, I'll say there's no better time than now, okay? Wherever you are in your life right now, whether you're 25 years old, 30, 40, 50, look in the fucking mirror and go, who am I? What do I really want? What am I really excited by? What are the things that aren't working for me? And what do I need to do about that? And it may require you to make a decision that will lead to pain, that would lead to immense amounts of pain. But I just don't think you can make drastic, drastic shifts in your life without facing the pain of maybe ignoring certain deeper aspects of yourself that are finally coming up to the surface. (26:40 - 26:58) Because your body is giving you signals all the time. And the question is, are you listening or are you not listening? Yeah. So, it does, like you said, Joel, it does take a certain amount of courage to go against the grain, because most people in your life have expectations of how they want you to live. (26:59 - 27:32) Yeah. Eventually, the debt of living inauthentically has to be paid one way or another. And I believe if you don't consciously face that pain and steer the ship towards congruence, coherence, and authenticity while you're alive, it's just my personal anecdote that I think the pain of death will be that much greater as a result in those moments, in that replay that people talk about the pain of regrets, the pain of not living my life. (27:33 - 28:02) And when I look around, it's like, are most people really living their lives? Or are they living out lives conditioned onto them by society, by family, by peers, by culture? Like Carl Jung said, the safe road might seem nice, but really, it's like hell. It's a paraphrase. And it's like hell, because it's the death of the soul. (28:03 - 29:04) It's the death of the spirit. We continue to accrue this inauthentic lifestyle until that voice and that whisper of authenticity, that deeper essence within us is like barely flickering anymore. And it's like, what could be worse? What could be worse? And when I think about from a macro level, like this human experience, what always comes up for me is like, what choice do we have? If we genuinely want to live great, satisfied, authentic lives, if we genuinely want to honor the reason that we're even here, not that anyone knows for certainty why that is, and it's like, what choice do we have but to meet each moment with as much consciousness and as much authenticity as possible? And I feel very invigorated by sharing that purpose and by inspiring others in that way, because I know what it felt like. (29:05 - 29:45) There was a point in my life not too long ago, five, six years ago where like, I had these revelations and there was a part within me that said, that's it, like just wear the burden, just succumb to this life. There's too much, you're not strong enough. How can you shift this around? How can things change? But bit by bit, by paying attention to that deep, still voice and facing all the inauthenticity that I'd allowed to fester within me, despite the pain has led to incredibly fruitful outcomes for me on all levels. (29:45 - 29:57) But the path to here, I'm not going to delude anyone by saying it's easy, because it's definitely not easy. Exciting, yes. Worth it, yes. (29:58 - 30:10) Easy, no. Yeah. You know, I think back to, well, first of all, I'm going to go back to when I got my job post-college working for a hotel company. (30:10 - 30:17) I personally requested, I was like, listen, I want the summer off. I like stood up for something, I want the summer off, I'll start in September. And they said, sure. (30:18 - 30:41) And so I was like, okay, my dream of being able to put on a backpack and take my life savings that I'd saved from like working at my dad's restaurant and working in college and to just travel was something that was an interest. It was something that was kind of a dream of mine. And the reason it was a dream of mine, not to get into the full story, but it relates to because I fell in love with Australia. (30:42 - 30:54) So of course, I ended up getting into business with someone who's Australian. I studied abroad my third year of university in Australia. And I remember when I was in Australia, growing up in the US, you're not really taught like you can just take off and travel. (30:55 - 31:07) Like the US is kind of like you go to college, you get the job, you do the thing. But when I was there, I met all these Brits and all these Aussies that were like, oh, yeah, I've been traveling for like a year. I think I worked for two months and I traveled three months. (31:07 - 31:23) I'm like, wait, what? You could do that? You could just like work, save money and then like throw on a backpack and travel around Asia or wherever. And so, that seed was planted then that I wanted to do that at some point, like a longer trip. But anyways, after college, I was like, okay, I'm doing Europe. (31:23 - 31:42) I'm going to backpack Europe for a couple of months. And like that was the first really huge, I mean, Australia played a big role, but that was the first big thing for me was, wow, I can like create my life in a way that other people may not agree with. And it was just funny even thinking back to when I was studying abroad in Australia. (31:43 - 32:22) I remember when I told people, this was in, this is like pre-2000, so 1999, 2000 is when I did it or 2001, I'm forgetting the dates now. But I would tell people that I'm studying abroad in Australia, okay, in the US, like family and friends. And they're like, really? Aren't you afraid of all like the fucking crocodiles and the snakes and all this shit? And I'm like, you do realize there are like cities in Australia as well? There's places that are like, I'm not just going to be living- Urbanized? Yeah, like I'm just not going to be living at like Crocodile Dundee, which is so many people's experience of Australia then, which is hilarious to me. (32:23 - 32:38) And so again, you have people who don't really know that are trying to convince you to not do certain things. There were people that were trying to instill fear in me to not study abroad in Australia. And I was like, you're crazy, I'm going. (32:38 - 32:52) You know what I mean? And so the same thing with like deciding to take my savings and just spend it on experience and travel. And like even in that trip, I packed books with me. I was not a big reader. (32:52 - 33:04) I did what I had to do in school. But to read for pleasure, to read for joy, to read like, oh, I'm interested in this. For me, that started actually primarily, I wouldn't say 100%, post-university. (33:05 - 33:28) You know what I mean? What did having the time to read, to reflect, what did that do to me? That had a huge impact on me. And yet people judged me. And then if you fast forward however many years later in 2008, after I had been living in New York City, pursuing an acting career, which is what I had a dream even when I was younger to do, which was the big part of my journey. (33:28 - 33:34) Again, it's like, I'm working the post-college job. That doesn't work well for me. Oh, I want to pursue this thing. (33:34 - 33:46) I move into New York City. I'm living, my friend built a tiny room for me in his apartment. And I'm living there for really cheap, going through my savings, taking acting classes, going to Central Park. (33:46 - 34:03) I created something for me that, yeah, sure, was it comfortable? Were my college friends making fun of me? Because I was literally living in a closet in New York City as I was taking acting classes and doing these other things. Yes. But when you feel something within, you're like, no, this is what I need to do. (34:03 - 34:09) This is what I want. I don't need to be climbing the ladder right now. It went against my soul. (34:10 - 34:32) Again, working that job post-college, I was like, wait, I remember looking in the mirror one day. I was like, wait, this is my life? This is it right now? Some of the adventures that I had before, some of the dreams that I had, they're just done? I'm just going to keep doing this? And I was like, fuck that shit. But again, I didn't know how things were going to unfold. (34:32 - 34:46) But you follow the thread. You follow that thread within you. And again, you have to deal with, there were people thinking I went insane because I left this job that was going to be my career path to do something that a lot of people don't do. (34:47 - 34:52) Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm a three times university dropout. (34:52 - 35:04) I remember the first time. So I finished high school at the age of 16, which is relatively young. And I got admitted into Sydney University, which is the most prestigious university in New South Wales. (35:05 - 35:35) I was there for, I think, three days. And I just felt this pit in my stomach, this pit in my soul while I was there on campus, had zero conversation with my parents at 16, 17 years old, went up to the front office and disenrolled myself and signed myself out. You know, and it's like Middle Eastern parents very much so like wanting me to be educated, to pursue something right and proper. (35:36 - 35:45) But I'm very grateful that I've always had that part of zero fucks given. When it came to shit, I just felt wrong. And I just didn't feel right. (35:46 - 36:11) I think that's really important. You know, it's really important to cultivate that zero fucks given when it comes to the pursuits of the things that are genuinely aligned with who you are and saying no to the things that just don't feel right. I think we all have those moments when we first tiptoe into like the system or tiptoe into the rat race or not that there's anything wrong with nine to five jobs. (36:12 - 36:14) Some people love their nine to five jobs. Some people love the system. I get it. (36:14 - 36:42) But like when we first tiptoe into something that we don't realize is going to be the next 30, 40 years of our life, I feel like we probably have that seed of, you know, I don't know if this feels right. But then bit by bit, we just continue the cycle and continue the process until the weight of that just becomes too much, you know. I get it too for a lot of people like, you know, not everyone has the same starting point. (36:42 - 36:46) Okay. I get that. You know, sometimes people put themselves into debt. (36:46 - 36:52) You know, I have to be honest, I was very fortunate. I didn't have debt when I came out of college. So I had a step up there. (36:52 - 37:09) I mean, without a doubt, a lot of people, they go a couple hundred thousand dollars in debt out of college and like, okay, fuck, I got to take this job. I got to take the job on Wall Street, you know, in banking or whatever in order to like be able to make the money to pay off my debts. So I understand that I had a leg up in that regards. (37:09 - 37:18) But still, there are also people who are in the same boat. And for whatever reason, they stick on a path that they don't want. So there's no one formula. (37:18 - 37:33) You can't just say like, oh, well, okay, rich kids are fortunate or poor kids don't have a chance. Like I've connected with, I've met with people all across the spectrum that have at some point in their life been like, this is my life. And I want to live it. (37:33 - 37:41) I want to live it. And I'm going to make the choices that I want to make for myself. And there's people who have been more, quote, unquote, privileged that have done that. (37:41 - 37:56) And there are people who have been handed fucking nothing that have done that. And I also know people that have been given everything that threw their life away on drugs and alcohol and a bunch of other stuff. So again, you can play the compare and contrast game. (37:56 - 38:06) But ultimately, it's like you got to bring that gaze inwards and go, great, I exist. I've been given this life. Okay, maybe I experienced some hard times, some trauma, some things that went on in my life. (38:06 - 38:18) But now what? I'm sitting here in this moment. What am I going to do about it? What's the next thing I'm going to do? You can sit there and play victim all you want. And again, I'm not saying that you can't be a victim and that we aren't victimized. (38:19 - 38:28) But how long do you stay in that state? At some point, you have to kind of pull yourself up and go like, this is my fucking life. This is the cards that I've been dealt. This is the game that I've played up until this point. (38:29 - 38:47) What am I going to do from here on out? And so to what degree do you take self-ownership and go, oh, man, I got fucking problems. I repeat the same patterns in my relationships. Maybe I may be part of the problem instead of sitting there pointing the finger all the time at all my ex-partners. (38:48 - 39:06) What do I need to do? Let me point the finger back at myself and go, I can control what I can control to the degree that I can. Instead of trying to sit there on your throne and pointing the finger at everyone else and being like, you're wrong. You're the reason I have all these issues and problems and go like, fuck it, take responsibility. (39:06 - 39:21) Something we talk about and we stress and is a major element of building self-esteem is taking self-personal responsibility in your life. And it's not easy. It is not easy. (39:21 - 39:26) And you have to make the time too. And so many people too, they don't make the time. They're distracted all the time. (39:27 - 39:30) And they're working their job. They're trying to pay bills. They're trying to survive. (39:30 - 39:38) I do. I understand that. But again, you have made choices beyond just like where you come from. (39:38 - 40:01) You have made choice after choice, after choice, after choice, after choice that has led you to the moment that you are right now listening to these words coming out of my mouth. Okay, so now what? Okay, you can fucking again, like rationalize and justify, but you live the life. You've made the choices. (40:01 - 40:04) You've made a left turn. You've made a right turn. You got into that relationship. (40:04 - 40:07) You stayed in that job. You left that job. You told your mom to go fuck yourself. (40:08 - 40:11) You'd said this. You said that, like whatever. And you're here now. (40:15 - 40:19) Okay, let's go. You're going to be fucking dead one day. What are you doing about it? Yeah. (40:20 - 40:26) Nice, man. But yeah, I mean, I hear you. It's never too late to start correcting that compass. (40:27 - 41:08) It's never too late to start deciding to make each decision with radical truth imbued in it starting now. And like this really requires us to see clearly, to see ourselves feel clearly and to see reality clearly and to not rationalize the kind of reality that we're experiencing. But if you find yourself playing small, if you find yourself continually settling for things that don't feel right, for things that feel less than what you're capable of, then the starting point is why. (41:09 - 41:48) What is it within me that makes me agreeable to shit that doesn't feel good or to shit that feels like it's less than my potential and less than what I'm capable of? Because I personally don't think that that is the ideal human experience. And I think for the radically honest person, like that why is going to plant a seed which will ultimately lead to shifts and changes in one's life. And that why will bring up messages from within you. (41:48 - 42:10) And then the question is, will you answer the call of those messages bit by bit by bit, step by step by step until you find yourself with breathing room again, with an element of freedom again, with an element of feeling like, fuck yeah, this is my life. I'm alive. I get to live it. (42:10 - 42:15) I get to pursue my dreams. I have potential. I have time. (42:16 - 42:29) I have time and freedom to be creatively inspired. And like I said, pursue my interests. And to me, there's nothing that feels better than that. (42:29 - 42:51) There's nothing that feels better than getting to be the captain of my own life, the captain of my soul, and to be the adult that decides and dictates how I spend my time. How productive I am. And like so many people are here like, oh, I'm undisciplined. (42:51 - 42:55) Oh, I'm unmotivated. Oh, I don't know what I like. Oh, I don't know. (42:56 - 43:03) I don't believe that. I don't believe anyone is really undisciplined or unmotivated in that regard. I just believe they haven't found a genuine interest in their life. (43:04 - 43:15) Because when you have a genuine interest, it calls you forward in so many ways. There is a genuine excitement that comes from that. Like a kid with a new toy, you make the time. (43:15 - 43:24) You make the hours. The hours feel like minutes when you're exploring one's genuine interest. And the reason I'm harping on about this is this is the path out. (43:25 - 43:43) This is the path that will lead you towards the authentic life, the authentic path. And it comes back to know thyself. What do I like? And we have to believe that the things that we like and the things that we're interested in are not random, and they're not futile. (43:43 - 44:06) They're not just like child things. Because I've seen people create the most incredible lives, build the most amazing businesses from things which from the outset would have seemed like stuff that never would have given birth to such formidable businesses and incomes and lives, etc. And there's a seed. (44:06 - 44:24) There's a seed within the things that you're genuinely interested in. And more than anything else, I just implore people to make time for that. Because even just in the process of that, so much creativity is inspired and animated within your system, which is going to feed other things in your life. (44:25 - 44:32) The way you show up to your relationships will be different. The way you show up to your existing job will be different. The way that you think about your career will be different. (44:34 - 44:48) And you need to... You know, I don't want to say need to. It's natural to be thinking greater than you currently are. It's natural to be thinking about what's possible for one's life. (44:49 - 45:37) And so, if you're not on a semi-regular basis, thinking about a grander vision of what's possible and what's being built, then yeah, I would probably make the claim that you are struggling with low self-esteem. Because I think the ability to dream and the ability to feel as though our dreams are within reach and that we are personally competent and capable of walking a path that leads towards that vision is a symptom of healthy self-esteem. Yeah, if you're listening to this right now and maybe you're not 100% sure of your path or you're not fully fulfilled with what's going on in your life right now, you can take a pause right now. (45:37 - 46:08) Just take a pause and sit down with a pen and paper if you want or just lay down on your bed and pontificate and think about the things that you're interested in. They don't need to be super rational very often, okay? A lot of the times, there might be something you love doing 10, 15, 20 years ago as a hobby that you can make a life out of to some degree. Again, I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but look at the world today. (46:08 - 46:21) Go on freaking YouTube, okay? And again, I'm not saying you have to start a YouTube channel. Just saying the potential and the opportunities out there in our technological age, in the information age are abundant. There are people out there. (46:21 - 47:01) There are kids out there, and I said this on a call recently with someone who joined Rise Above the Herd, that are making millions of dollars reviewing toys on YouTube, okay? There are people talking about video games, things that they love on YouTube, on other platforms that I don't even know they exist, okay, that are making a living. So again, like deep down inside, what are you excited about? What are some things maybe you did when you were younger that you don't do anymore, that you miss, that you want to do now? Bring that into your life. That doesn't mean that has to be your career, but it may just add more joy, more excitement, more pleasure in your life. (47:02 - 47:24) And then when you're feeling that, what impact does that then have on you, on your consciousness? If you bring 20% more excitement and playfulness into your life, that may change your thinking. That may shift how you look at your current situation. That may shift what you really want to do five years from now, or not even five years from now, six months from now. (47:25 - 47:41) So again, it's not about like, oh, this thing that I'm choosing or this activity that I'm involving myself in has to be the thing I do for the rest of my life. But you know yourself, hopefully, and it's like, follow that. Follow that thing bubbling up. (47:42 - 47:49) Oh, I want to start painting again. I want to start drawing. Oh, I danced when I was from age 14 to age 24, and I haven't danced in 15 years. (47:49 - 48:00) Oh, what would it be like to take a dance class? Yeah. What would it be like to learn a new craft? Make the time. Make the time. (48:00 - 48:10) In this modern world, I don't know many people that maybe are the most amazing time managers, perfect time managers. We live in technology. We have our phones. (48:10 - 48:16) We have the internet. We distract ourselves. A lot of times we distract ourselves with things that don't ultimately serve us. (48:17 - 48:33) I'm guilty of it. But again, if you can carve out one hour from that time that maybe you're potentially wasting to do something that's going to lift your spirit, ask yourself why you're not doing that. Yeah. (48:36 - 48:42) Embrace challenge. Embrace adversity. This is the call to adventure. (48:42 - 49:10) This is the call to heroism. All the obstacles between where you are now and where you want to be, don't let that be something burdensome on your psyche, but let it be literally like a child going on an adventure or playing a video game when you're a kid. Being able to see yourself at a starting point and problem-solve your way to the other side, like to me, that's exciting. (49:10 - 49:38) That's invigorating. It doesn't have to be all woe is me because of all the things that led me here and because I didn't have the perfect conditions for me to be able to pursue my interest and pursue my authentic path. But let the challenge excite you because I mean, that really is... I think on the other side of it, anyone will tell you this looking back, the greatest joy was the journey and it is the journey. (49:39 - 49:47) I'm really grateful. This is a trivial side note. I don't know how many Dragon Ball Z fans are listening right now. (49:47 - 50:03) Most of our audience is middle-aged women. But Dragon Ball Z was the original anime, Goku, Gohan. As a kid, I watched Goku before school every single day face a new opponent that seemed impossible that he would ever defeat, that he would ever overcome. (50:03 - 50:20) And each and every single time, he evolved and he leveled up. And somehow, no matter what, he saved the world every single time. It plants a seed of like, we're meant for adversity. (50:20 - 50:29) We're meant for challenge. We're meant to see the mountain. We're meant to see impossibilities and figure out ways to conquer them, to move them out of our way. (50:29 - 51:03) And this is where the greatest joy in life comes from. This is what it means for a life well-lived, I think, personally, is to be in the depths, to be in the Joseph Campbell's underworld, right? And to go on the journey, to slay dragons, to overcome obstacles, to meet allies, and to come out the other side, to have gifts and then to return the gifts and to return your learnings to the people and to enhance the collective knowledge that we all have. Yeah. (51:05 - 51:21) I think what's also... Have you ever watched Dragon Ball Zero? Was that post you? I think it's post me. I never heard of that before. But again, you bring up a good point too, in terms of like the things that you watch, or let's say if you're a parent, the things that your children watch too. (51:21 - 51:40) I'm not saying you have to be like so hardcore. I mean, I watch a lot of crazy things in my life and different types of movies, but like, you know, do they inspire? You know, what are the stories being told? You know, if you read books too, what stories are being told in those books? You know, our media impacts our consciousness. You know, I don't care how conscious you think you are. (51:41 - 52:16) Like there's elements of programming that can play on your subconscious, even when you're aware of the subconscious programming that goes on with movies and television, et cetera. But when you are choosing to watch something where there's a great story and there are characters, you know, see if you can move beyond just living vicariously through these characters, which happens very often. And it's something I've spoken about before, where, you know, we have these great epics that we go watch and we get that like hit, that emotional hit, witnessing someone, or maybe going like living vicariously through them. (52:16 - 52:51) And then we go back to our lives, but we don't take the lessons and we don't apply them to our lives. So, you know, as you're watching some of these stories that are inspiring, like see if you can apply some of the lessons to your own life, you know. But part of it too is like, you know, what in your life are you using to self-medicate and self-soothe from reality, from your reality of what is going on within you? And I think for a lot of people, that's the first step of like, oh, I'm self-medicating with food. (52:51 - 53:27) Oh, well, what would it be like if you didn't? Oh, I'm self-medicating with weed on a regular basis. Well, what would life be like if you didn't? I'm self-medicating with alcohol and porn. Well, what would life be like if you didn't, you know? And for a lot of people, when we remove these self-soothing mechanisms from our lives, that's when I think the real work starts, where things that have been kept suppressed within you start bubbling up to the surface and you got to face it. (53:28 - 53:40) You got to face emotions that you didn't have access to. You have to face parts of you that, you know, you were, you know, pushing down. And I mean, I love that process. (53:40 - 54:16) I don't know if I'm just built a certain way, but I've always appreciated this personal development process and like have excitement and curiosity of like, oh, what don't I know? Oh, what can I, how can I keep growing? How can I elevate my relationships? How can I elevate my relationship to self primarily, you know? And it's been hard and it's been confusing and it's been challenging and there's times where I want to quit and there's times where I get complacent, you know? I'm not immune to complacency, you know? Especially times you create a good life for yourself and it's like, oh, well, I have a lot of great things in my life. Oh, that's cool. And there's nothing wrong with that. (54:16 - 54:29) It doesn't mean you have to constantly be in struggle and constantly be uncomfortable. We're talking about duality here. There's a balance, like dance between discomfort and oh, okay, now it's comfortable. (54:29 - 54:49) I can indulge in this. I can enjoy this, what I've built and what I've created and feel safety in my body and safety in my surroundings, right? But again, it's the dance. It's the, what do you talk about often, Joel? The infinity symbol, you're kind of going out in the world and coming back, going out in the world and coming back, you know? And you face challenges, you overcome them. (54:49 - 54:55) Maybe there's a plateau and you face new challenges and then you come back and go, okay, cool. I'm cool right now. I like where I'm at. (54:55 - 55:18) Oh, no, now what's the next step? And it's been the story of my life and I feel like there's just so much more coming. There's so much more calls to action for me to grow. I mean, I just, you know, I started jujitsu, like Sophie and I started about a year ago and, you know, I'm training under, it's like the Gracie University system. (55:18 - 55:36) So, in the beginning, you start just learning moves, you know? You're not really actually like rolling and like, you know, going at more full speed. And so, it's great, obviously, to learn the techniques and everything and then you have to test and then you get onto the next level. So, I haven't done that yet. (55:37 - 55:57) But last night, I stayed for like the master's class and I was able to kind of like roll a little bit. And man, it's like, fuck, you like, you learn all these moves but then you're in it and you're like, you freeze. You're like, you forget how to do it when you're actually like going maybe a little bit more full speed and there's people there that are helping you. (55:58 - 56:07) And so, to me, it's like, it's so humbling and yet, oh, it was so exciting. I got up with the biggest smile on my face. Because it brought me back to my wrestling days 25 years ago. (56:07 - 56:16) I haven't done that level of like activity. Two, it's humbling because my physical body isn't what it was back then. And of course, the knowledge I have isn't then. (56:16 - 56:19) But I'm like, man, I want to learn more. I want to get better. I want to have more skills here. (56:20 - 56:32) But like right now, I quote unquote, suck, you know? And so, you know, it's kind of cool to like be faced with that and to go, man, these people are so much better than me. I want to get better. I want to improve. (56:32 - 56:37) And so, there's so many different areas in our lives where we can apply this to. Yeah. I love that, man. (56:37 - 56:45) I love that. And we constantly need something that's calling us to get better. That's calling us to improve, you know? And that can be jujitsu. (56:46 - 56:53) That can be an idea. That can be a business. That can be a relationship, you know? But we're never there. (56:53 - 57:15) We're never done. We're never complete. The knowledge reaches out to infinity and forever, right? And I think that's what's really important is having something that's constantly calling us forward, calling us into the next version of ourselves, calling us into the man or the woman that we aspire to be. (57:17 - 57:23) And that journey does not end by any means whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah. (57:23 - 57:58) How can you fall in love with your life? How can you fall in love with not just the good stuff, not just the feel-good stuff? How can you create enough space? And I think this is also where the nervous system piece comes in, which we talk about often. How can you create more capacity to experience more, to feel more, to be with more, as opposed to the minute something occurs or emotion comes up, there's an automatic process that's happening based on, obviously, earlier patterns or earlier experiences that's like, no, you're not going to experience this. You can't experience this. (57:58 - 58:06) We must shift. We must do something different. So, again, it's a very holistic process, everything we talk about here in terms of development. (58:07 - 58:15) There's mental work to do. There's physical somatic work to do. There's educational work, learning things to move from ignorance to a place of a bit more knowing. (58:16 - 58:27) All this stuff works together to serve you as you unfold in your life and as you move through different stages of evolution. Yeah. And it's calling you to make difficult decisions. (58:27 - 58:44) It's calling you to have threshold moments in your life where you make uncommon choices because it's these uncommon choices that break the patterns, that break the stagnancy, that break the habitual stuff that you find yourself in and call you onto a different path. They're pivotal moments. It's a pivot. (58:45 - 59:02) They're pivotal moments. So, it's really, really important that we find the courage to answer the call because in my view, there is nothing more expensive than a life half-lived. There's nothing that costs more than a wasted potential. (59:04 - 59:16) And I'm very blessed for the mentors in my life, for the moments in my life where I said yes to the unknown. I continue to say yes to the unknown. I continue to say yes to risk. (59:16 - 59:50) But I continue to say yes despite still grappling with fear and grappling with scarcity and grappling with uncertainty because I know that saying yes and continuing to answer the call in my personal objective experience has led me to a far more satisfying and fulfilled life than when I found myself previously shrinking in fear at the weight of what I saw in front of me. Yeah. And the reality is this. (59:50 - 1:00:01) If you're satisfied with your life and who you are, you're less in the work and the things that you're doing in your life, you're less likely to turn to a lot of this stuff that we use to escape. Yeah. Because what are you escaping from? Yeah. (1:00:01 - 1:00:18) I get there's some deep, deep rooted patterns in some people, you know, things that I grapple with that like, you know, it's like, all right, maybe this is a bit of a cross to bear in life that I have to keep working on. It's not about perfection. But generally speaking, if you're self-medicating on a regular basis, there's a reason. (1:00:19 - 1:00:26) And it's up to you to, one, first become self-aware of that. First to call it what it is. Yeah. (1:00:26 - 1:00:33) It's a form of self-soothing and self-medication. And then be like, okay, I don't want to do this anymore because I want more. Yeah. (1:00:33 - 1:00:39) I don't want to feel this way anymore. I want to feel something different. I don't want to keep attracting the same people into my life. (1:00:39 - 1:00:49) I want fulfilling, loving, mutual beneficial relationships where we honor one another's individuality and strengths. And we champion one another. That's what I want in my life. (1:00:50 - 1:01:02) If you're not getting it, you need to ask yourself why. You are the common denominator in all your experiences of your life, in all the conversations you have, of all the relationships you have. You are the common denominator. (1:01:03 - 1:01:12) Yeah. So what do you need to do to shift? Yeah. And no one is coming to save you, right? There is no white knight in shining armor. (1:01:13 - 1:01:31) It's you. It's you that has to steer the ship. It's you that has to make new decision upon new decision and rewire and repattern and shift your reality through genuinely giving your internal system reasons to change. (1:01:31 - 1:02:10) When we make new decisions, we're forced internally to morph and to answer the call and to adapt to the new path that we're taking. And there's zero doubt that expansion within correlates to expansion without. The more that we can grapple with, the more integrated we find ourselves, the more of the abyss we're able to peer into, the more that we're able to deal with our hangups around money, around relationships, around all sorts of things like the external morphs and adapts as a result to the version of you that you're becoming, to the new decisions that you're making. (1:02:11 - 1:02:30) For me, this is just a lived fact. Before we wrap this one up, I received an amazing message the other day from a friend Aaron who was part of I think Rise Above the Herd 2 or 3. He said, I just reflected on what I've achieved since I went through Wrath. I quit my job as a public servant. (1:02:30 - 1:02:45) I now work in the same industry in the private sector earning six figures with extraordinary flexibility to tailor my work around my personal life. And my wife is now a full-time stay-at-home mother. Those things were a dream two to three years ago, but now they're reality. (1:02:46 - 1:02:57) I can remember speaking the words of what I wanted in a Wrath call. Time to reassess and manifest some more goals. I just fucking love getting messages like this. (1:02:57 - 1:03:03) So much. Thank you so much, Aaron. We are so stoked for you. (1:03:03 - 1:03:21) Time and time again, people come into our world extremely heavy psychologically with the weights of what seems to be an incredible, burdenless task set forth in front of them. But they do the work. They engage sincerely. (1:03:21 - 1:03:26) They make difficult decisions. They're inspired. They're courageous. (1:03:27 - 1:03:32) And bit by bit, it doesn't take long. It doesn't take long. Things shift around. (1:03:33 - 1:03:40) Reality changes. They rise up to meet the vision that they hold for themselves. And I just think it's really, really incredible. (1:03:41 - 1:04:08) I also want to shout out Jess from Round 10 who sent us an amazing message last night. Jess was someone who came into our world, an incredible human being, incredibly sincere, incredibly empathetic, and dealing with a lot of pain in her life physically and biologically. And she had the vision that she wanted to move to Isla Mujeres in Mexico. (1:04:08 - 1:04:34) And she sent us some amazing photos, the color, the vibrancy of her in her new environment, feeling at peace, feeling amazing, and feeling really grateful for her experience inside Wrath as well. And yeah, Jess, we're absolutely stoked for you as well. We're so grateful that you came into our world and glad that you're moving onto broader and brighter horizons. (1:04:35 - 1:04:47) All that being said, guys, thank you so much for listening. Awesome to revisit this with your SMS. I will repeat that this is the final time that we are running Rise Above the Herd live. (1:04:48 - 1:05:23) This is the 12th round. Very upper pro, the 12th round being the final round for sure, zodiacally and all else. 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