Beth Martens Archetypes, Personal Power & Freedom in Law

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 1:47) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stelionesis. All right, everybody, welcome to episode 26 of Here for the Truth. Such a pleasure to have you all here. We've got another incredible guest today, but just quickly, as always, the first half of this episode will be available to the public and the second half to our members on Patreon. I just want to give a quick shout out to Charlene too, who's one of our Philosopher patrons. Appreciate you. And Kyle. Kyle's on the Philosopher level as well. So grateful to have you both there and thank you for your support. Absolutely. Today, we have Beth Martens. Beth is someone who I've become acquainted with and I would consider a personal friend and someone who I have deep admiration for, honestly. Here's a little bit about Beth. For archetype, purpose and business coach, author and coach trainer Beth Martens, her calling is a life or death thing. After a decade as a corporate VP in her family's firm, eight trips to India and a three year battle with cancer 20 years ago, she used archetypes to save her life. Today, she helps truth lovers find their sacred purpose and be valued for their life's work and survive the ordeals of their hero's journey. As a recovering feminist, she helps strong men to survive their missions and hosts the King Heroes Journey podcast to highlight important leaders, entrepreneurs, movement makers and purveyors of the truth. Beth, thank you for being here. [Speaker 1] (1:49 - 1:52) Such a pleasure. I'm thrilled to be here. I'm a fan of both you guys. [Speaker 2] (1:53 - 2:00) Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, really excited for this conversation. I heard your interview with Michael and David over on Unslaved and it was amazing. [Speaker 1] (2:01 - 2:02) Right on. Thanks. That was a lot of fun. [Speaker 2] (2:04 - 2:19) I'd love to start this with you. Your particular truth journey, how you came to be here for the truth, those key rites of passages and what that transition was like for you. [Speaker 1] (2:21 - 2:55) Yeah, a lot of layers, a lot of timelines and mostly in my past I ran with blinders on. I knew it was bad out there, but in order for me to do my work, I had to just, or I felt like I had to just do this and stay in my lane. And then at the time when my mother was passing, she was in palliative care and she was doing a very deep dive on the heels of 2017. I had a client walk through my door, telling me that she was a victim of satanic ritual abuse and child trafficking. [Speaker 3] (2:55 - 2:56) Wow. [Speaker 1] (2:56 - 5:55) And I'm like, wow, that sounds bad. But I really didn't, I mean, I understand what trafficking is, of course, but the ritual abuse I wasn't aware of. And so it took us a month to get to work together because I was, you know, helping my mom die and she did end up passing. And then I went down the rabbit hole because I couldn't look away anymore. Somebody, you know, living, breathing person was asking for my help and I needed to understand where she came from. And so, as you know, it's, you know, it's not, oh, just not one crazy person. This is a worldwide network and it's connected with all of these institutions that it pretty much covers every possible area of life. And so, again, I knew things were bad out there, but I had no idea how interconnected the whole thing was, how much it was tied to a global agenda. And then so I started putting the pieces together and I fell apart, like just completely messed up, right? Like your world as you know it dies. And, oh, it's all a lie. Every little bit of it is a lie. I had one friend walking with me at the time that was very fortunate because her and I could talk and I could say, oh my God, I found this. And we were supporting each other in the process. It wasn't really until the pandemic hit that I decided I was going to come out and start speaking all of that, which I knew at that point. But I feel fortunate that I was able to do all of that emotional work, like fall apart and put myself back together before things got really crazy. And now it's been a complete turnaround as you guys likely know that once you align yourself with the truth, anybody who's not aligned doesn't like you anymore. So I had a huge evacuation of people from my email list and my social media. I looked up one time and like boom, my Facebook numbers dropped by 150 in just like a morning. And it was a trial by fire, a lot of fighting, a lot of battles, took a lot of hits in that time. But in the end, it's been so beautiful because as they vacated, the truth community moved in. And I created so many amazing allies and friends and my podcast really started to take off, highlighting the strong men out there you guys are going to be on soon. And, you know, those that are that are really willing to take the hits and speak the truth, regardless of the cost, because they know that their soul is much higher cost if they sign that over to the wrong side. So that's how I awakened. I knew right from birth that things weren't right. My first word was no. I was always the kid that would point out things that weren't right. And I was just a pain in everybody's neck, they would get nervous to see me coming sometimes. [Speaker 2] (5:56 - 6:44) You know, you said something that we talked about on this show and that has just been a common thing among so many people that have been aligned in this path of truth is that these relationships are falling away. And that these incredible new deeper soul family relationships are coming in and it's just so amazing to witness. I mean, even just Joel and myself, you know, we met, when did we connect? March? And you're, you're my brother, you know, and some of the people who I'm connecting with now like that I consider like my closest friends and I still have a couple of my OG homies, you know, like that I've been hanging out with and we've been going down the conspiracy rabbit holes for years, but especially in this area, just people I've known in the last year, and like so much love so much respect and it's beautiful to see. [Speaker 1] (6:45 - 6:47) Yeah, most of my best friends are new friends. [Speaker 2] (6:48 - 7:53) Yeah. Yeah, me too. I mean, I've, I've had, I've had friendships of 20 plus years and, and this year I've been, you mean, uninvited from weddings, you know, I mean, of whom these people I thought with this, this falling out would never be possible, you know, but I mean, this, this line that's being carved between us is just becoming thicker and thicker by the day and by the minute. And it's really one of those things where it's very difficult to have feet on both sides at this point, particularly, you know, when once people have families, then they become accountable for decisions that they make for their families, you know, and it's, it's, it's a big divide, you know, but you know, in my opinion, it's always equivalent to something that's taking place inside us and like as you as you mentioned that evacuation of your friends on some level, it's equivalent to evacuation of lies within yourself, right? And the truth that you're letting in is the truth that we receive externally. And yeah, that's, that's my usual key message in this situation. [Speaker 1] (7:54 - 8:37) Exactly. And as you read in from my bio there that another major awakening time in my life was when I was confronted by losing my life. And having to face that in a in a very real way I was told by doctors I wouldn't survive, I've had a near death experience, there was no sign of me recovering. And they were offering me a stem cell transplant to give me half a chance to live. And that didn't seem right to me the the violence that a stem cell transplant is was something that I, I thought, well, you know, that could kill my soul, am I here to protect my body at all costs, or am I here to nurture and grow my soul, knowing that death doesn't touch it. [Speaker 3] (8:38 - 8:38) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (8:38 - 9:12) And so I went through that wall of fire and was able to see things inside myself that I hadn't seen before, like you said that, you know, most of the battle is in here, whatever is going on out there, it's reflecting your own inner conflict. And so that was that was a big window into me in for me to self honesty, it roots right back to that original word know that I had the rebel that I was being both without a cause and also in a very, you know, I was trying not to be a rebel because it got me in so much trouble in my life which I write about extensively in my book. [Speaker 2] (9:13 - 9:13) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (9:13 - 9:55) And as I was trying to, you know, be in the corporate world with my family's business and I wore a suit and I had this persona of being a normal person I was trying to go out with normal guys and, you know, make money and had got a house and a car and all those things that I thought would get the approval of my, my family. And then I nearly died of it. So it was a big calling like no this is an important part of yourself you're a fighter for a reason. You just need to know what it is you're actually fighting for. And, you know, rather than running from the fear of death and the fear of disapproval. I started running out of love for my life things that I'm passionate about and and care about. [Speaker 2] (9:56 - 10:17) Yeah, can you, can you talk a little bit about like that time 20 years ago when, when you, you know, were diagnosed and what was going on for you and and what decisions and choices you made to, let's say say no again no to more conventional ways of, of trying to handle the diagnosis and going on your own journey. [Speaker 1] (10:18 - 16:02) Yeah, the day I went to the surgeon to get the results of my biopsy I had, I had found a great big lump in my neck. It took me months to get diagnosed because I had a severe fear of the medical system. Now we can see it playing out full medical tyranny going on. And so, by the time I go for the diagnosis I was pretty sure the surgeon was going to say that you're just being a hypochondriac go back to work. I was already feeling tortured in my work. Some days I wanted to throw myself off the building, I was really leading a double life, being in business during the day during the week and then doing everything that I loved on the side, trying to hide, make sure that nobody in the business world knew that about me and also make sure that nobody in the spiritual world saw my business side because they didn't get along. And it was so much inner conflict that instead of just consciously deciding to get out of it knowing it was wrong. I invented a stage four lymphoma, and that's, that's what the results that I got that day at the surgeon, I never did return back to my office I, I knew it was over at that point. And, you know, not necessarily I was over but but my double life was over. And, and it was a three year journey I was really afraid that that was going to become the subject of my life. I did try to avoid the Western medical system like the plague because I was, you know, I knew too much about natural health at that point I had seen many people in my world be cut up and poisoned and all kinds of gory things with the medical system. And what you resist persists. So after many months of trying the natural route I even, you know, moved to Vancouver I worked with a high level naturopathic doctor there who treats people from all over the world they come from California, you know, actors actresses are he's very in demand. And I got some results, you know thousands and thousands of dollars later, but next thing you know I started to do the slow decline again and he sent me home to do what he thought was radiation it turned into 11 months chemotherapy the first time then I almost died, had a I really thought there was a moment where I was losing my life it was over. That was extremely profound because I got to see death for what it is a big fat nothing. It's just nothing I let I let death have me. And on the other side of that I found nothing but joy and self realization, a very strong awareness of, you know, not in detail what, but the blueprint of my purpose. And I saw that I don't get out of it, it didn't matter if I was going to die that minute, or 20 years or 100 years from then, I was contracted to this sacred purpose. And it wasn't just about me and what I did it was about me and how I was here to serve others. And so going through that experience. It actually gave me so much energy that I went into remission not only I didn't die but I healed to a certain extent. I was so damaged by the chemo at that point though I couldn't recover it was 18 months later I was rediagnosed. And at that point they told me I was going to die the second round of a stage four lymphoma or have a Hodgkin's lymphoma, which it was. They statistically people don't survive it so that's when I went into daily chemotherapy had no resistance whatsoever to the medical system at that point I actually gave myself to them. I buried my rebel and just handed myself over. I still fought with the doctors but not successfully I tried to integrate the natural medicine with the Western medicine to no success whatsoever because they just simply don't don't talk to each other there's no there's a complete mismatch there. And then I took that deep dive okay what is killing me. By that point I'm doing everything right I changed my diet I got serious counseling I did energy work. You name it that thousands of dollars in supplements and all kinds of natural I probably nine different people on my team, helping me but there I was still a dying person. And it was at that moment when Carolyn Miss published the sacred contracts. I've been following her work already I got a lot out of it I grabbed that book off the shelf not knowing even what it was about. And it turned out to be all about archetypes that I had only studied about in university, never actually use them to do any inner work. And very quickly led me to this realization that, you know, if you're coming from the unconscious primarily it's fear based, and it's going to draw in what you're afraid of. So there I was I was afraid to get sick and die, and I was in that exact situation. And by seeing the one archetype that was so out of alignment the rebel. I saw the error of my ways I shone light on it I, I came clean you know there's a certain self forgiveness that took place. And I literally went from being a dying person to a living person practically overnight I recovered so much energy that I healed and never had to look back. I refused the stem cell transplant with confidence, still not not knowing if I was going to live or die because I couldn't see the future, but I was willing to face my death head on and and know that it's a reality it doesn't doesn't bind me it's not my enemy. It's a, it is a big fat illusion, because life is eternal. And, and then looking back I get to see oh wow that's you know and then I got to decode How did that work. It was, it was a mystery to me. [Speaker 2] (16:03 - 16:26) So, like, literally this external conflict, which was created by an aspect of yourself, which you didn't realize you suppressed is was was kind of the catalyst for for your deterioration. And the moment you recognize the suppression of this integral part of yourself, and you release that and you freed that your body begin to recover. [Speaker 1] (16:28 - 16:37) Exactly. And I often say this maybe you've heard me say it already but you know I don't know how to heal from cancer. Yeah, but free, free energy does. [Speaker 2] (16:37 - 16:37) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (16:38 - 17:05) So getting the keys to freeing up your energy that is is locked in the unconscious by tacit agreement, you know, we've got, we've got a matrix that's never going to tell us to do this deep inner work it wants us afraid. Every single day there's fear coming down the pipe and it doesn't matter if it comes from mainstream media, it, they've got a whole plan for us to on the other side. Right, there's all the fear porn that that were victim to as well. [Speaker 3] (17:05 - 17:05) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (17:06 - 18:03) But if you understand like what am I doing here. I'm not living to avoid death. That's not the purpose of life to avoid death death is inevitable. You know, if that were the point then we all fail at life. Every single one. And so my, my focus came really to the soul and what kind of work can I do there, because you can completely heal the soul and still die in your, in your physical form. So there was a great deal of freedom came of that and I wasn't in that intense place looking for the solution to death now I was like okay how can I live how can I make the best use of it whether it's moments or years I don't know, of what I have here and and get on my hero's journey, which I didn't understand in anything beyond academics at that stage of the game but that was really the beginning of me saying to God, okay, I accept this calling I'm coming, whatever it is. [Speaker 2] (18:03 - 18:13) And did the medical professionals you are working with that they think it was some miracle that they have did what were their what was over their responses. [Speaker 1] (18:14 - 19:52) It's a great question. I love answering this one. It's a little bit gory but my, my oncologist it was actually the first time when I when I refused that stem cell transplant. It was the first time he never argued with me, and I was fully expecting it I thought he was like you're gonna die you're gonna die like he had done many times. But at that time, you know whether he went into apathy or he just recognized that I was resolved inside myself. I wasn't coming from fear anymore I was making this choice out of love for myself. And, and so they let me go. And I'm like, Oh, that was easy. Okay. And a few months later I learned that he took his own life. Before that, I think it was probably more like six months. I had, I had healed enough that I was back to work one of the things that I did it at the time I'm not doing that right now but as a musician I was going into the hospitals and playing music for people who are receiving treatments. I was literally in the very same ward, where I had been hooked up to an IV, and my oncologist walked by me while I'm la la la singing like a little birdie. And I saw him and I got all excited I'm like I want ran up to him Hey Dr. Rubinger. I'm not dead. I said I didn't die. Like, look, I'm here. And and he looked at me and I said you don't recognize me and he said yeah I do, and he just walked away. He was completely flatlined. He wasn't interested. He wasn't curious. He wasn't even happy for me that I was still there. There was something obviously very dark in him I don't I don't even take it personally, but it was an eye opener just to see that yeah, who wouldn't be curious. Well, how did you do it. What happened. [Speaker 2] (19:53 - 20:38) It's like a strange full circle to to have that exchange with someone, you know, I mean, in a kind of transition that's between you that's and it's actually experienced that manifest physically between the two of you that's, there's no coincidences Beth, I'm sure you know very well. And, and what's interesting there is something that I think you see on many fronts is that to be curious about something like that would then force you to come to the potential realization that a lot of the stuff that you know may not be right. You know, and that you know that triggers such a deep level of cognitive dissonance that it's like no I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing, because there's so many things that are that come along with that so predictable on some level. [Speaker 1] (20:38 - 21:27) Yeah, it sends people that inner conflict sends people into apathy, because they can't stand the pain of the conflict. They have to numb out they have to dissociate and and that's in a way where most most doctors are anyway because they see so much suffering they're literally trained to dissociate. Yeah, they're told if you get emotionally involved, then you won't be doing your job. So they're not feeling, they're only thinking. Yeah, and they don't have access to that deep curiosity it takes courage to have curiosity apathy compared to courage like courage is way up in the energy scale, compared to apathy. And they feel helpless they're they're bound by all kinds of rules and restrictions and associations, really binding them even if they knew any different they couldn't do any different. [Speaker 2] (21:27 - 21:48) It's very true. Gotta have compassion on some level for for these doctors that are trapped within this system, where you know I mean they're just negating themselves on so many levels and probably even the initial curiosity that got them interested in wanting to serve, I guess, as a doctor as well. [Speaker 1] (21:49 - 22:56) Yeah, most doctors actually unconsciously and this I knew as a young child too because my family's full of medical people you can tell how much they probably love me now. Not at all. But they yeah no it's been a total divide. Yeah, but most doctors and medical professionals get into it unconsciously that the outside thing is that they want to help people but the unconscious thing is they want to help themselves. And because they don't know that and there's no training whatsoever like in the whole shamanic world I studied anthropology and, you know, you would you would become a healer because of your own damage, but that was known and you were you were trained and cultivated to walk through the fire of that initiation, whereas this all remains unconscious and they never do find their own inner healing in the process so so they go, you know, many of them end up drug addicts, they've got access to all the drugs. Got a cousin that went down he's a doctor and next thing you know, he's got access to all of these opiates and, and, and couldn't couldn't withstand the temptation of that. [Speaker 2] (22:56 - 23:52) Well, our greatest wounds become our greatest gifts. As it said, you know, and it's just curious because talking and linking back to the hero's journey it's these organic rites of passages in figuring out our own darkness, which allows us to evolve into understanding our gifts and how to offer them. But we live within this society, which kind of has allowed us to bypass these rites of passages, and so most of us really aren't discovering who we are, aren't discovering our true organic path and aren't really using, you know, the negativity in our lives or the difficult circumstances, as the kindling to spark and reignite. You know, I mean that that that journey in our true soul essence. How do you how do you perceive the hero's journey, and the lack thereof that I guess in today's society. [Speaker 1] (23:54 - 26:42) Yeah, without judgment most people are trying to avoid their hero's journey. Now the beauty is it's it's the biggest archetype of all. And you can't get off it so even when you're refusing the journey, that's still actually a marked place on the journey. Yeah, I, I've mapped that out on the child archetype it's denial refusal of the calling. I just want to hide under the covers and watch Netflix, until it's all over. We are creatures of comfort. Right, we've been taught to value comfort, instead of seeing pain as a source of unharvested energy and going into it to see it for what it really is to transmute it, like all the words of describing that I always feel don't quite match it, but you can prove it to yourself. When you go into your pain and honestly that's how I got sick with cancer in the first place. I used my whole spiritual life after having gone to India eight times I was an ardent meditator very, very into my practices, but I use them all to get out of here. Because it was so uncomfortable, the more I got out, the less well I became. So it becomes this double bind. It's where most of the populations are at right now, they're, they're not well whether it's emotionally, physically, mentally, or all of it. And, and that discomfort nobody's been taught that yeah that that discomfort won't kill you. Avoiding that discomfort is, is definitely going to be the death of the deeper part of yourself. So then, you know, it's a warrior kind of an attitude that's definitely one of the archetypes on the hero's journey, the, the, the archetype after the child when you come up out of denial and you say yes God I'm coming, whatever it is, I'll do it. Then you move into the rebel archetype which I was talking about earlier and let yourself get mad. Right, all of a sudden you're seeing you're not in denial, and it, it sends you into that like, what, what are you doing to my world. What are you doing to the children, what are you doing to me, but you can't stay stuck there either you have to move forward into the warrior archetype where you start to actually make goals, and you do the training you do the hard work. You make it hard for yourself, instead of always waiting for the world to make it hard for you. And it will. So you have a sense of being in control of your life, and you start championing for others because that's truly the hero's journey you cannot take it without, you know, you have to slay your own demons and dragons but it's not complete if you don't bring the elixir back to your people. So there's the warrior that moves you forward. I don't know if you want to hear the whole thing. [Speaker 3] (26:42 - 26:43) Yeah, amazing. [Speaker 1] (26:45 - 32:40) So good. And so, so conquering the the lack of discipline of the the warrior that moves you forward into a true service to humanity, with a nurture archetype which might sound feminine but men King heroes, especially have that nurturing side they want to help they want to serve. And then people need to learn to do that with good boundaries because if you help people and kill yourself in the process which many of us are familiar with certainly myself, then you're good for nothing and no one. So by getting those boundaries it moves you forward into the second half of the journey which is all about soul, out of ego like who am I am I okay, and into the soul of the journey where it's now between you and your soul you and God, and you stop referring outward. Many of the truth community are in that first archetype called the lover because the highest value is is for truth and beauty. And then you can see it in the truth community to the shadow there being obsessive compulsive seeking of usually lies. They're not finding truth they're finding the lies, and there's a certain step in that that oh I've been lied to but now what, what it what it is the truth. And it's not a bunch of facts. It's, it's the blueprint of who you are so that's the lovers expertise, and that moves them forward into the hedonist archetype, which is the pleasure seeker it's one that has a very bad reputation, even the word hedonist there's no nice word for hedonist, that would be an insult if you called somebody that but I feel personally that's my job to to bring the hedonist into light of course there is the, the dark side of it where life becomes a pleasure many people are stuck here that all you know I've got my bills paid and I can take my vacations, and I have the toys that I want and I've got the everything set up and I'll just stop here. Right, really tempting. But the next archetype on the journey is the king, very big leap from the hedonist the leisure of the hedonist to the workaholism of the king. That's actually where I found myself when, when I began to write my book and see how this journey was all fitting together. And so by slaying the demons of emptiness in the hedonist you know always just pursuing the pleasure, and really, it's not even pursuing pleasure it's just wanting to release pain or to relieve pain not release it, then, then what you what you find is pleasure is a path to the divine. It's not, it's not an accident it's not it's not just a temptation that we need to write because you can see all those puritanicals that tried to X pleasure well they end up the closet pedophiles and the, you know, people that are always hiding their pleasures rather than celebrating them and using them for divine purpose. And so that moves you forward into the king archetype. This is where you agree to take on much more responsibility and for way more than your own self, helping people takes on a new scale, however big or small your kingdom ends up being, and you slay the demons of power. Right when once you start to get notoriety and appreciation and I've been I've been watching this in myself because I get a lot of good feedback from my people these days, and it's a joy and a pleasure I never got that before nobody ever really liked me at all. And, and then so you know there's there's some vulnerability and I've been approached by we'll talk about this more in your second hour but I've been, I've been people many people have tried to seduce me. And I don't mean that boyfriends I'm talking about, you know, like, from a power perspective trying to get me, you know, Dolores Cahill comes and says oh Beth I'm such a big fan of yours. And for five minutes I'm really romanced by her but the next five minutes I'm going like huh, that makes no sense. Well, what are you trying what are you trying to do here. And so, when the king slays the demons of power and really turns into a servant of the people, putting their own what we would call ego although that's a big, that's a big subject to get into as well. To the side in in service, then that moves you forward into what appears to be the last stage of the hero's journey the alchemist. And the alchemist is the largest part of the journey it contains the most, you know, both shadows and gifts of course they're inherent, as you're hearing, and the alchemist is the visionary the one who can see far. The one who can transmute energy. The one who can do inner work in order to change the world outside rather than always wrestling with the outer demons or even wrestling with the inner demons to see that no those aren't my demons, that's my power in disguise. The alchemist falls down when they use that visionary power to see everything that's wrong, makes them super grumpy in fact that was the source of my cancer that grumpiness was really a big part of it. And, and by slaying those demons, then you and you know in the hidden and that what we consider to be witchcraft and the magic with a K all of that kind of stuff is wrapped in there. And, and by slaying all those demons you turn into you gain sage wisdom you turn into an instrument of returning humanity back to nature, and where does that take you full circle to the beginning of the journey again back to the child. That's how God humbles us right so it doesn't matter how many times you get to the top, you're, you're, you're always at the beginning again. So that's one of my missions just to make people realize that don't don't worry if all of a sudden you're lost and confused, it just means you're on the next leg of your hero's journey. [Speaker 2] (32:41 - 32:50) So this is, this can be throughout an entire life but it could also be in different phases so you go through the whole journey and then you come back around and you go through the journey you come back around. [Speaker 1] (32:51 - 34:06) Yeah, it's actually very similar. Now this is all my inner perception right I these claims, I just want to qualify that I can't prove it out there I just know it inside myself, very much like astrology. So astrology has you know multiple heavenly bodies multiple influences that any one time. It's really complex. In fact, the reason I do the archetype work is to help oversimplify it. So people have a point of entry, and they can begin doing work right away without a whole bunch of, you know, knowing this huge complex picture. Many times, when, when I was fighting for my life, it was all inward turning very quiet. And I saw the complexity of the inner life. It's staggering. And without hours and hours and hours every single day to explore it. It's overwhelming. Right, even just touching down on it for some people can feel like yeah that's going to take me off my game. And so by, by just seeing the shadows, seeing the places you're getting stuck it's like oh every time I turn off my computer I get mad and okay well what archetype is that and, and what part of myself is, is going to sleep in that way. And I think I forgot your question your SMS. [Speaker 2] (34:06 - 34:27) No worries I was just curious you were going through this, this hero's journey, and you said how the you know there's a process where you're an alchemist and it brings you back to nature and back to the child, and that a person can go through this journey multiple times in a single life, and it can also be applied to the whole life as well as it kind of both as well. [Speaker 1] (34:27 - 35:02) I think so yes because you know you can you can place yourself on the hero's journey I have a quiz at my website where in 10 minutes you can find out where you are at. Now, you are actually at all stages of the journey at all times in different areas of your life. And so there's a lot of different it's very, very much like the astrology lot of different influences. But, yeah, so that's, you know, the, the journey, what I do know about it clearly is that it doesn't end. It's built not as a circle but as a spiral. [Speaker 2] (35:03 - 35:04) Exactly. [Speaker 1] (35:04 - 35:07) Yeah, it either goes up or down. It's your choice. [Speaker 2] (35:07 - 36:11) Well, I mean, this is, in my view, the oldest story in the book, and it's something that's so inherent to our nature as humans, and it's a story that was depicted in the Tarot, right. Tens of thousands of years ago the edges of these images can be seen in ancient Egypt in the Book of the Dead, and people don't realize the first 22 cards of the major arcana literally depict a hero's journey right the fool is the is the forever child archetype. And the fool is there the entire way through the journey, and he goes through his dark night of the soul through Scorpio and Capricorn and the, it's called the Nadir which is where the sun is least present where the sun is furthest away, and it comes out the other side So, like many people forget that this is really it's, it's our essence, it's this, what I refer to it as this underlying oceanic experience that is that is always with us, and avoiding it is yeah it's a, it's a prickly it's a prickly road. [Speaker 1] (36:12 - 36:37) Yeah, because it doesn't nothing just goes away. That was, that was my big discovery it goes into the unconscious, and it has way more power over you in the unconscious. I mean you have way more power when it's in the conscious because then it's something that you can use I see, I see all of those archetypes as a kind of palette of God. Here's all the colors that we can color with and we came with some primary colors of our own. [Speaker 2] (36:37 - 36:38) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (36:39 - 36:57) But as long as you're in the unconscious it will feel like you're getting colored now that the metaphor falls apart at this point. But, you know, your own archetype, your own inner life archetypes, because there's many, it will feel like your enemy. Yeah, right like it was killing me. [Speaker 2] (36:57 - 37:04) Well what's that Jung quote, until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate. Right. [Speaker 1] (37:06 - 37:08) Exactly, exactly. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (37:08 - 38:17) And I mean this this this this this leads us into the topic of, I mean, repression, you know, and the repression of who we really are, why we're really here, what we really came here to do. And the fact that we live within a society, and the culture that is constantly deterring us like, like a magnet on a fly trap away from that hero's journey away from who we really are away from what we're really meant to be doing. And the strength and the courage that it takes to peel back away from that and realize that all the demons that are buried as a result of that, and then begin to slay them and wield that sort of discernment and sharpen it and continue on forever, you know, it's to me that's what awakening is, it's that realization of, I'm here and I'm unlike anybody else and no one's like me. And I've got a unique path that really I cannot affirm it by looking at anyone else's path. It's I've got to look at my life. I've got to look at my experience. I've got what I've been through. What choices did I make. Right. And how can I correct that. [Speaker 1] (38:19 - 40:17) Exactly. It's a path of taking radical self responsibility. And, and, you know, most people, they have the idea or a lot of people have the idea especially supported by modern psychology, which was created by our perpetrators, by the way, that, that, well, I'll just sort out. What's my problem and what's your problem? What's my fault? What's your fault? What's my responsibility? What's your responsibility? Because most of our conflict takes place, or at least can be seen the symptoms of it in relationships. And this is different. This is about assuming responsibility for how everything is showing up how everyone is showing up. You know, in my, in my best moments I remember crying at my window which there's a number of moments like that and like, you know, and I and I just said to myself, why did I dream this dream. And right inside there was the answer. I dreamt the dream. Here I am. And I just fully owned it. This is, this is, this is what I've created. And it's not so much about the truth of that. It's more of a technique, because what happened in that moment is I got flooded with energy. I got flooded with happiness. I got flooded with inspiration and ability to take action. Right, because as long as you see that it's, it's not your responsibility, you're off the hook, whoo, right on. But, but then you can't do anything. It's not, it's not your, it's not your project anymore. Yeah. And that's, that was a big thing for me with cancer I was really desperately trying to find who was to blame. Oh well it's the water it's the food it's the poison it's the fluorescent lights it's the stress of the corporate world is the, you know, hungry ghosts out there that can't get enough. And, and I said okay well I can find hundreds of reasons to blame. And then I said to myself but who's responsible I could only find one answer for that and it was me. [Speaker 2] (40:19 - 40:39) Yeah, that's the key personal responsibility coming back home, focusing on what we can control. Yep. No, absolutely. I mean, I've got a, this is this is a bit left field but this everything you said just reminded me of a poem that I wrote, actually in April and I've never shared this so this is a first for everyone. [Speaker 1] (40:40 - 40:41) Awesome. [Speaker 2] (40:42 - 41:13) It's, it's a few stands as it goes, what is the truth that I'm ignoring what is wanting to be seen what is hiding from my view restless turbulent under stream. How do I bring you forth. How do I summon you to the surface. What is the reason, what is your purpose. Does this pain belong to me. Have I misplaced your key. If I take responsibility, can I set myself thus free. Yes, I will take the lead. I will bear it all. I will be the cause sink or swim or so. [Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:17) Wow, that just nailed it. [Speaker 2] (41:18 - 43:34) World premiere of Joel's new poem. That's excellent. That's amazing bro. That's what it always comes down to man whenever I reach these crossroads these difficult situations where I just want to fucking scream I just want to blame someone. You know, I mean, when I really sit with it always. The question is, where do I need to take responsibility for my circumstance right now. What part of this am I responsible for, you know, and these are questions that I asked myself out loud in these dark moments and it's what it always comes back to man you're involved somehow. And then take a personal responsibility is the more empowering thing to do because again we can all sit here and say well my mom did this my dad did this my brother did this. My teacher did this etc etc etc. And it doesn't mean we need to like fully forgive evil acts, but what are we going to, what do we do with it then this is our life this is what's been given to us like we're going to sit there and wallow in our pain and complain and blame or, you know, we ultimately we have the power to make these choices to take heroic acts to heal to grow. And I just think it's the most important thing to do in one's life you know is being a true individual. You know, because I have conversations with people all the time and it's like I just hear like the blaming and the complaining and it doesn't mean you want to repress that either and not feel into what happened in your past, but at some point where, what are you weighing in more, you know, at some point, it's like you have to take up arms for yourself. You know, it's like that inner call to arms of, I'm going to keep fighting and keep growing and build that resilience because it's that resilience that we have that's going to keep us on that healthy path in life, you know, dealing with these conflicts that come up. Absolutely. And that also reminds me of, you know, I mean the whole negation of free will thing right like without free will, how can you be responsible for anything and this is somewhere where I see so many people in the truth community trapped as well, you know, I mean, it's like, Oh, you know, I mean, everything is just the way it is everything's playing out the way it needs to the way it has to play out. I can't, I can't take any action I'm responsible for any part of it, you know, it's just, but yeah, to me it's a, it is it is a delusion. [Speaker 1] (43:35 - 45:02) Exactly. Yeah, that that blame and many people mistake self responsibility for self blame. And, and that doesn't help you one bit because it's it's actually going sideways, and there's no pain in it, you're avoiding the pain by by blaming yourself and, you know, to be the end of you, right, I've been through death many many times I'm a Scorpio, you know that already because I gave you all my details there. And no stranger to death it's one of those things and it's the gatekeeper experience that if I have any, any one message I created an entire course about this to be able to face it, that, you know, as long as that that fear of dying is there then, then it's it's your master, and you cannot serve to masters you're not going in the direction of the divine, you're not serving the divine as long as you're blaming yourself or anybody, and avoiding all of that, you know, you need to see the illusion for what it is it's not enough to for someone to just tell you, oh that that that snake it's really a rope. You have to go over there and hold that rope in your hand and slay that that rope that you think is a snake and realize oh big fat illusion, nothing here. [Speaker 2] (45:02 - 45:13) Yeah. And our architects of control you know they're turning up the dial on this fear of death. Coming up every single angle that's all they have. [Speaker 1] (45:14 - 45:15) Yeah, it's boring. [Speaker 2] (45:16 - 45:19) Yeah. It's like, all right, come up with something new already. [Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:22) Exactly. Exactly. [Speaker 2] (45:22 - 45:38) But what they're preying on is the fact that the masses aren't willing to go there. Right, and they're not they're not willing to figure out for themselves that there's nothing to fear. Okay, and that's, and that's the, that's the illusory barrier between between most people and what's on the other side which is life, obviously. [Speaker 1] (45:39 - 46:12) And that's what has them lining up for the slaughter, because their unconscious programming says they're, they'll be safer with the perpetrator. This is the victim archetype one of the primal archetypes of the course I was mentioning that it's Stockholm syndrome you you you turn towards the very one that's causing harm to keep you safe, and you believe it, and you'll go right to the end with that perpetrator. Because it's so frightening to to face yourself and find it like even more frightening than death is your is your power. [Speaker 2] (46:13 - 47:07) That's right. And, yeah, exactly. And I mean, what what most people are scared of when it comes to freedom is that you can't have freedom without responsibility. Right, it's, it's, it's not possible. And that's that is where the power lies, it's in discovering that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm loving this conversation. Yeah. Fresh air. We're gonna get. I don't know, we, what are we like 45 minutes in 3535 minutes anything. Well, you know, I'm really curious, Beth, like, was it just Carolyn muses book that got you into the archetypes in a certain way or have you been. Have you explored them or gone down the young rabbit hole like what's been your journey with archetypes like how did, how did you find them. Was it just Carolyn these or. I'm curious. [Speaker 1] (47:08 - 50:57) Yeah, it's it's breadcrumbs right so in my university days I did a degree in anthropology. And so study cross culturally how people are, you know, the cosmology from culture to culture changes and I was always looking for the common thread between cultures, knowing that there is something uniquely human I hate using that word now because I'm really into a lot it means monster but you guys get what I mean. And so searching for that common thread that transcends culture. And so intellectually I was able to do it with archetypes to see that doesn't matter where you go. The warrior is the warrior I worked with people from all over the world and there's never a cultural barrier because the archetypes are universal had people from other cultures other languages go like Beth How do you know me you're like reading my thoughts and it's like no I just read archetypes, and they are universal. So that was my first foray into it and and then and then not again until I was sick with cancer so Carolyn this was my, my second foray into it and frankly, when I get a little bit of knowledge out there, I always do the vast majority of study in here. And then I'll go out and you know I studied about young and some young but I could never relate to it much at all because it's so academic until I run into his book. What is it dreams memories reflections reflections. Yeah, and it was he's much more authentic voice he was no longer afraid that the academic institutions were going to disapprove of him so he was much more honest he was just giving talks and recounting stories in his dreams and how he put things together so that was, you know, there's there's one really important piece of knowledge that I got from that book and it was basically that anything that's not your creative expression turns into neurotic addiction. Right so the there are two. There's actually, actually the same energy the creativity that is aligned with our, our, our divine nature that's what we do we're made in the image of God we are creators, and, and but if you don't create, then it can sue it's a it's a it's a consumption and it eats you alive. So, so that was very important but that's really all I took from young. If young and I had a discussion today we wouldn't really agree because he would describe archetypes as a kind of creature or entity. And I don't see it that way to me the archetypes are the blueprint that God created, you know, maybe palette blueprint lens, through which God sees that makes us all so unique, it's the same light of God the same life coming through us, but each one of us entirely unique. Wow, what are the chances of that incredible variety, right, one life but but all these expressions. And to me that's like God playing just going like how many varieties of myself can I create that are that are all special and unique and purposed in a certain way, and fitting together perfectly that was a big discovery of all of this work with archetypes how it is collective consciousness this is this is where we're, we're actually one, it's this is not just a spiritual saying about oneness that that's the truth of it. And then to see how, how do we fit with our, with our people with our communities with our humanity. How are we here to be part of that humanity to both give and receive in a very natural organic way that doesn't require any, any accounting. Yeah, that's something I think we're going to probably get away from and probably sooner than later, frankly, because we're being spit out of Babylon really fast. [Speaker 2] (50:57 - 52:01) Yeah, yeah, I've just loved, you know, working with archetypes in my own way because I was an actor in a previous life. And so when I was living in New York City my first acting teacher was heavily influenced by archetypes by psychology by Carolyn nice etc and I just found it really fascinating just to see like how my life and my family system and my upbringing, maybe, you know, allowed certain things to come forth and push other things more to the unconscious and so it was this process of like, you know, honoring that development process but then calling on these archetypes initially in service of telling stories but then what did that do to me as a human being. I just felt like it supported me and being more whole and more integrated. The other thing is I'm curious your thought on this is your view of archetypes and the dream world. Because I found that there were times where these energies these archetypes would come to me in my dream world to knock on the door, you know, from the unconscious to go hey integrate me or hey pay attention to me, you know, things of that nature so I'm curious your thoughts if you work at all with dreams or have you do you have your own practice around that. I'd love to know. [Speaker 1] (52:02 - 53:23) Yeah, it's not a long answer because I for who knows what reason I, I'm only fitfully tuned into dreams. Partly it's, it might be because my life is so full I don't need content from the outside there's, you know, there's been a not that I've had prophetic dreams necessarily but certainly many powerful dreams, lots I could recount and yes they're all archetypes. They're, they're all actors on the stage playing out parts of yourself when when you're dreaming of a person I really do feel it's it's part of yourself that you're that you're dreaming in the process so yeah for those people that dream a lot it's it's super valuable to look in and see what what archetype is being expressed there and it's not necessarily obvious on the outset that that just because somebody is fighting that that's the warrior archetype it might really be coming from a different place. And because you can get the same very same identical behavior whether it's in your dream or your real life, but if it's coming from a different motive it's it's a different archetype, and it has a different reason to be all together. But yeah, that's, you know, the symbols and the archetypes are definitely the makings of that dream world, but I'm not the dream expert I have a client that is no worries, it's just cool to see like where like let's say someone's a people pleaser identifies [Speaker 2] (53:23 - 53:37) more with being a people pleaser in that nature, you know what may be present in their dream life, you know, or even in their daydream life it's like these, these qualities these archetypes they, they come to you in these different forms, at least that's what I found from my experience. [Speaker 1] (53:37 - 55:04) And I like your, your background as an actor too because that's very close to what's really happening is the ability to put on and take off those clothes, their persona. Now, you know, at the very most surface, it's, it's personality at the, at the depths of it it's soul's purpose. So you have access to that whole range of experience depending on your intentions if you don't have that intention you won't. And, and you can you can play with them it is it is a thing that you can play with it, it's once you realize that it's your tool given to you by God. Now here's one little thing you said about calling on archetypes and I always feel like I have to be a poster child for this because for many years I called on all kinds of things, gods and goddesses and archetypes and, you know, directions and you name it I was calling on it, but I had a huge awakening that, especially because I had to wrestle a whole lot of demons that calling on anything but God is is opening yourself up to these you don't need to call on them. They're there for you. Okay. And, and if anything like don't call angels petition God to call angels, and that will never steer you wrong because demons show up in disguise. They are very seductive they can easily make you think that you're in an angelic realm when when it's not the case at all so anyway that's my commercial for not calling on anything but God. [Speaker 2] (55:04 - 55:10) I love it. We had Bernard Gunther on last episode we're talking about hyper dimensional occult courses. [Speaker 3] (55:12 - 55:16) I love it. He's on my show as well. Yeah. So good. [Speaker 2] (55:16 - 56:04) I think that's the perfect place to end the first part of this episode to our public audience, we're gonna let you go here. This is the amazing amazing Beth Martens go check out her website Beth Martens.com do her free quiz King Hero or Merpreneur for the ladies and check out her book. I'm sure there's a lot to take away from you to our members stick around and if you want to join us on the side we'd love to have you on our Patreon community. We're probably going to get deeper into current events and what's playing out in that regard. Thank you. Alright so our members welcome back to here for the truth gets to continue this discussion with the amazing Beth Martens. Beth, I'd love to, I'd love for you to paint this little picture of Canada right now. [Speaker 1] (56:06 - 56:07) Yeah, can I swear. [Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:08) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (56:09 - 58:56) That's just gonna say it's a shit show. I'm here in sleepy Manitoba honestly when I was getting on a plane to go to an archipelago in in 2019. Was it no 2020 actually it was, it was literally just before the pandemic I had very quickly finished to publish my book before I went off to an archipelago. People were just starting to have masks on, on planes on the way home and I and I saw yeah, that's never going to come to sleepy Manitoba, right, nothing ever they don't find us here, we're just, we're just a little prairie town. And we're the capital of the park province but nonetheless it's very inconsequential especially now since everything is become decentralized away from Winnipeg. And then lo and behold, you know, here we are, boom, get home, literally, I think two weeks after that lockdown major you know everybody's her what's going on two weeks to flatten the curve as we know that didn't happen. And we've had an extremely heavy handed government here. I'm, I'm on the one hand I'm shocked but on the other hand I shouldn't be shocked because we're all sitting ducks. We've had a good life everybody feels like oh it's so lucky I'm a Canadian. I have all these privileges we have a wealthy society we can have free education, free education, education, not free not education. And we have the biggest landmass in all of the world with the biggest volume of natural resources, right so not very many people lots of natural resources where we're really attractive they want us. And so yeah the restrictions here have been off the charts the Manitoba government has slammed us it's the one province in in Manitoba and I believe the only place in the world, although maybe I heard of one more now, where the government mandated that a child, 12 or older can get vaccinated without parental permission or consent or presence, a 12 year old, and that even includes 11 year olds who are going to be 12 in the same calendar year. Can you imagine that making a life changing decision for themselves. It actually tortures children. So that that's, you know, anyway, just one example. You know we've got the usual mask mandates. Now, the province mandated every single public sector worker has to be vaccinated by, it was supposed to be October I think 31st, but they fast track the whole thing. Yeah, you either get that double jab or you're fired. Yeah, and it happened so our school teachers went back to school yesterday, and those that are not willing to vaccinated were turned away without pain. [Speaker 2] (58:56 - 59:09) But what's the legal recourse because are these mandates laws like if someone was really willing to go the full distance and learn the law, like what's what's available to them. [Speaker 1] (59:09 - 1:03:28) Well, this is a very big subject of mine maybe you know already Matt Beller and myself hosted the Choose Freedom Law Summit because as of last summer, I realized that I couldn't go on anymore without some bearings in law, we knew it was wrong. And, but, but without having the clear knowledge about who you are and what true rights are, then, you know, you're kind of lost, it's one of those things you can guess that I can intuitively know but if I don't have the knowledge so I dove in resentfully hating it, actually, I'm still shaking that off because I said there's so much creative work that I want to do now coming full circle realizing how incredibly creative the law is. And you're absolutely right mandates are not law orders are not law statutes are not law, any man made law is not law, it doesn't stand. But if you don't know who you are, and you don't understand that your rights come directly from God, they can't be given or taken away. We've never had rights from our governments, we've only had privileges. Then you start to see through these things and they stop being able to control you in the same way, because for the most part, it's all based on consent. Now they're going against that and they are forcing people they're going against that covenant of free will. But as soon as they have to move to force. Then, if there's a whole different level of liability and cost that comes down on them, and they know it. And the revelation I had just the other night, is that every time they have to force us that we don't just hand over we don't just prostitute ourself because, you know, for here, oh, it was just sick or it's still sick. Oh, you want to go to that the big billboard would read if you want to go to that football game, get your jabs. You want to go go to a movie get your jabs. Big one Vax to win we had this huge, you know, $10 million lottery. If you if you you got entered into only if you get vaccines there's breads and circuses at every turn, all of our vaccinated are so happy because they're just skipping through and consuming all their usual entertainment. But at the end of the day, you know, those of us who see through it and and know that it's wrong and have a connection to God, because if you don't, you actually have no standing, I don't care how much you know about the law if you don't know who you are and what your connection is there, then you don't hold true authority. Authority means, by the way, that that you write your experience you author, your experience. And if you don't have the knowledge of who you are that you are that spark that that creative being that's imbued with all of the creative power, not just a little bit of it but all of it. Then you're going to let somebody else write your world and and the one who writes the the law controls the law the one who writes the document controls the document so we've just been really passive in not putting our voice out not making our own claims, not responding to all the contracts that are leveled at us. We've got we've got military weapons leveled at us in the form of products through commerce. Right, it's it's more clear than ever, whether it's it's 5G and smart meters and the geoengineering we're talking about. And of course these vaccines, they're all weapons against the people. And so, in a way it's it's it's starting to get fun and, you know, we're not just taking it there they're saying that my child can go and get a jab without my consent. And I'm just saying no fucking way. And I'm doing it with legal instruments and I'm going to follow it through. And we've got a decent group here if anybody from Manitoba happens to be watching we have Manitoba law and action group now, and we're pooling our resources we're studying, and we're taking action, and it feels amazing, actually like what you know it's there's no guarantee doesn't mean that I'm going to win against the school division and win against the Winnipeg Regional Health Authority or I'm going to win against the Manitoba Department of Education and Health. But I'm going to win my soul. I'm going to stand up for my child. I'm going to claim the truth and if I die doing it, it will be worth it. [Speaker 2] (1:03:29 - 1:04:10) Yeah. Wow. I agree. I've got to go. Now I was gonna say my mind when you go. Yeah, no, same here. Um, on that note, there was a video that went viral viral I'm like using that word because anyways, a video a video that was going out there, you know that was popular. I don't know last month or whatever and I believe you had Patrick King on your show, like what was what happened with that because I felt like there was this thing like we won but then, but then maybe like it wasn't as explained. Yeah, give some context of what happened. [Speaker 1] (1:04:10 - 1:05:30) Yeah, that was a really fun joke that God played on me because I one night I'm sitting there and I'm, I'm seeing some of his footage and it was like this we won kind of thing going on. And I'm like, I want to have him on the King Heroes journey. And so I just mentioned it to one person and they contacted him next thing you know in five minutes I had his email in 25 minutes he said yes to an interview the next day. So it's like boom I've got Patrick King on my show amazing. I even scooped Alex Jones, he was on my show before he was on Alex Jones show. As a podcaster I was pretty proud of myself. Well, and then I announced it and the messages started flooding in that he's controlled up, and that his claims aren't true and that they're they're using him to make all these false headlines. So by the next day, I, I realized, you know, I wouldn't have booked him if I knew it at the time. And I decided to go ahead with the interview anyway but to come with some hard questions and not be there you know to give my audience reasonable doubt about what, what, what his claims are in his position and now I'm absolutely no doubt in my mind that he is a manufactured plus you know the company that he keeps with. I don't know if you guys know Chris guy like he's known controlled up and all those guys. They're in a cohort. It's so easy to identify them now they hang around together. [Speaker 2] (1:05:30 - 1:05:48) Gotcha. I definitely smelled a fish. We were in the, we were in the same boat we're like, man, let's let's get him on but something deep in my core was like, wait, wait. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he was on some big time platforms as well it wasn't just yours right. [Speaker 1] (1:05:49 - 1:08:20) No, he was everywhere I managed to, I managed to catch him after his first interview on the, the stew computers. Yeah, stupid also controlled up which I didn't know at the time. And yeah he went on to do a whole lot of interviews I even hooked him up with a few of them. After that, I saw him every time I saw his interview he would tell me, he would tell the audience that his papers were coming the next day the transcripts of this court proceeding they never materialized. Right, it was always tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow and it just never happened. So, yeah, you know, there's a lot of people out there like him that are presenting these either either oversimplified solutions that nobody could really get any traction with whatsoever, or, or they are outright taking you sideways by making you feel like there's hope that these things are being done for you, that there's all these big wins and you're winning right and there's nothing I call it hopium I'm sure you've heard that term by now. Yeah, that people think oh great Rocco Galati is handling it oh great vaccine for choice, vaccine choice for Canada is handling it, Bill Victory is handling it there. I'm good I can just, you know, go on my merry way and do whatever I want to do. But that's not where we're at right now it's, it's not the Old Testament days where, where Moses could lead all the people we have to lead ourself. We have to get through the eye of the needle, whatever that means for each individual. Sometimes people come up to me and like oh thank God you're studying the law. I'm like, I can't do it for you. Yeah, doesn't matter how much I know it's not it's not going to help you if you can't stand. Right, even I had another fellow on my, on my program with from Angelic Law, Daniel Terry is his screen name, and, and he claims to be this alternative lawyer. Again, same message, I'm the Savior, I'm going to do it all for you. You know, he, he, because we're behind the scenes I'm going to say this to he tried to seduce me by saying that he would do anything for me get me out of my taxes, get me a low, a low deal, or a lotium land title as he has he calls it. And he was going to help us with our notice of conditional acceptance that we're sending so he's going to send this magic letter but that we didn't get to see. He was trying to be my Savior and I just saw right through it and went like yeah this, I don't get out of this job. Nobody's going to do it for me. [Speaker 2] (1:08:21 - 1:08:45) And it comes back to the personal responsibility again and the Savior programming that we keep seeing over and over again Trump's going to save us that person's going to save us like you said and it's like, No, at the end of the day we need to take up arms for ourselves pick up the books, read self educate, you know, do what we have to do for ourselves but if that's self the Savior programming is so it's ancient, it's ancient. Yeah, exactly. [Speaker 1] (1:08:46 - 1:09:20) And if people just do stuff for you. The next time you're in a situation you've got nothing. Maybe they helped you through one situation but unless they can be there around 24 hours for every situation that comes up in your life you're screwed. Right, it's a parallel with the, as you're saying Savior archetype but also the nurturer archetype where people are always wanting to do for others, what they really could or should do for themselves and enabling them disabling them in the process. Other you know that's how Jesus says teach them to fish. Don't just give them fish. Give them skills. [Speaker 2] (1:09:21 - 1:11:22) Yeah, and I mean there's there's great personal power that can be unlocked in taking the reins during this during this crazy time, you know, I mean, I'm dealing with three three fines, which now I'm taking to court proceedings, personally, and it's it's it's a process for me as well, you know, but yeah, of course, it'd be much easier just to just to pay the fine and let them walk over me. There are $1,000 each. It's $3,000. One of them was for sitting at the park eating a cucumber because I wasn't exercising during my during my hour of freedom outside of a stationary and that's a big that's a big problem. You know, we can't have that. So yeah, but the point of the matter is you mean it's yeah, it can be a hassle to go and have to learn something new. And so, you know, I mean take responsibility but to come out the other side empowered with the knowledge and to have it have the experience, right? I know that's going to change me in a profound way. Whereas if I just roll over and say I don't want to deal with this take my money, then I'm going to I'm going to resent myself as a result of that, you know, and that's going to come back and bite me in the ass. Exactly. Part of that alchemical work, you know, we've talked about this before, is that when you do stand up for your rights when you do stand up to this perceived authority, all of your stuff, all that trauma, all that things, it bubbles up to the surface, you know, even just a simple act of walking into a store, not wearing a face covering, and then someone coming up to you that you know is going to say you're not doing the right thing. You need to follow the rules and you do this. It's like, it's like you notice that you feel that shift in your nervous system. And in the first time someone does it, it may be more intense, but then the second time it's less and less. And then it's in essence, you're almost stepping into on some level and correct me if I'm wrong, this warrior archetype where you're solid in your truth and you're like, no, I'm exempt from from putting this over my face, etc, etc. [Speaker 1] (1:11:22 - 1:13:19) That's beautiful. I love how you said it to I am exempt took me a long time to switch out from that I have an exemption, which is is wrong because then you're putting you're placing yourself under their jurisdiction, you have their exemption their permission not to muzzle yourself. And, and I switched it over a story that there was there was a day where the restrictions all of a sudden were leveled and it was like everybody has to wear a mask in any public place at all. And I was just not going to I was used to having my little, you know, tiff and and fight I was very fighty at the beginning not not skillfully but I was going to fight everybody. And one a lot. And so then that day, it was it was over my my lack of humility I think caught up with me the pride and I got absolutely slammed into grocery stores, which is really the only place I go anymore. And the second time I didn't feel safe I thought that this guy was going to be waiting for me outside that's how threatening it was. And it caused trauma. It caused PTSD it caused me for a few, I don't know five, six weeks or so after that to wear a mask. When I went grocery shopping, I thought that's it I'm not going to die on this hill that's too much for my nervous system I'm just a girl. And, you know, use that excuse. And, and, but I couldn't stand it. I couldn't live with myself I felt sick about it I felt like my soul was dying by putting that stupid mask on, and I knew I had to get to the other side of it. So I asked a friend to help. And we went to the first store the first time without the masks. While we go in. Nobody says a word to me except somebody in the produce comes over asking if they could help me that they're not telling me I'm, I'm wrong or I should put a mask on they want they want to help me. But my nervous system was acting like someone was trying to kill me. [Speaker 3] (1:13:19 - 1:13:19) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:13:19 - 1:15:55) So that's how I knew I had PTSD here I was in no danger, but my system was acting like it was in danger and so then I had to walk my talk and do this work and, you know, go inside and find that and slay it. And I did, I never again have put a mask on. And I've managed to navigate. Sometimes I get refused and oftentimes I managed to go in and have a conversation you know. It's funny because I was with a friend one time hope you don't mind these, these war stories. You know, and she was scared to not wear a mask but I was sort of coaching her so we both walk into the store. We both got stopped by different people. The one said you have to wear a mask and I said, under, under whose authority are you saying this, and, and, and she said well, show me your exemption then. And I said, under the Personal Health Information Act that's a violation that there's a $50,000 fine for that she's like, okay, go right in. That got to her. Meanwhile, my friend got stopped and turned away, so it was, it was very strange to be in there and then I started talking to her she says to me, you're putting us in so much danger we could get a huge fine because of you. So we started just talking about it and talking around it I was able to say guess how many of those COVID tickets go to court. Zero. Why? Because they're not valid, because no crime has been committed whatsoever because there's no law. And, and then I managed to get my friend in anyway you know so it's a long story for, for just that there are ways to navigate because you're only ever dealing with a living man or a living woman. And you must notice that that the restrictions are different everywhere you go. There's one grocery store if I drive 45 minutes I can get to it's a pain in the neck. They don't say one word to me in there except how can I help you. Whereas, you know, I go up the street to the same chain. That's two minutes away from me and they're Nazis they shame me, they make it hard for me even if they let me go without the mask, it's demoralizing it's like you don't want to be there. Give them your business it's I feel like that's a it's a, it's a, an honor for them to have my business, you know, I see, I've given a lot of money to that company over the years and so yeah I just don't want that that really disgusting feeling. And at the end of the day that boldness is, is invaluable whether you were successful or not, it doesn't matter by being bold like that. You're telling God that you're fearless. Right. And when you, when you give God that message. The angels come in. [Speaker 2] (1:15:55 - 1:15:56) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:15:57 - 1:16:06) Yeah, here's one exactly my little, my little thing is called the angel. Yeah, there's so much support. Go ahead. [Speaker 2] (1:16:07 - 1:16:51) Like, if you're not in the arena, if you're not in the, in the game, it would easily seem incredibly overwhelming, and it appears as though these petty tyrants are just trotting on whatever semblance of law or constitution, there could be, you know, and it's completely disregarded. So I'm just curious, like, from, from, from your perspective, like, how do you, how do you see what legs really are there for us to stand on when it appears as though, you know, I mean they're just walking all over absolutely everything, and it doesn't matter what what nature says. [Speaker 1] (1:16:51 - 1:19:10) Yeah, it's, it's that knowledge that even if they were to kill you over it, that they have no power over you. They literally have no power over you. And it's just that we, we lack that knowledge and that conviction that they can overpower you. Right, so you see all kinds of people navigating. We've had 24 speakers on the Choose Freedom Law Summit by now, highly recommend it by the way, a lot of different perspectives but the common thread is is that knowledge of who you are. Now you can say who you are and you can agree who you are but if you don't feel it then it's, it's just not there, as if it's not there. I had another experience so I was driving along with my son, and I was actually really upset about something nothing, nothing related to anything COVID. And I was just trying to kind of hold on to myself and not have a display in front of my son, and I was driving behind a very slow truck, and I got annoyed, and I passed the truck. Well, as I'm passing the truck I realized it's a cop. And so next thing you know the sirens going, and he pulls me over, and he comes up to me and he says, Are you okay. And I said yeah why, and he goes you just blew a stop sign. So I passed a cop blowing a stop sign. My emotional state like a real boner movie like this. And he says I'd like to see your license and registration which is the classic thing right and I looked down at my purse and I just said to myself, Beth, don't pull anything I've been studying all these things I know a lot of little tricks now. I just said to myself, you know, just take the ticket don't don't pull a stunt here you're not in any shape for it. So I take my, my driver's license out of my purse, and I go I'm just about to put it in his hand and I turned and my hand put it on the dash instead. Wow. It was like God did it. I was planning not to. And he's like, Oh, okay, he wouldn't touch it, he wouldn't grab it, he went around he looked through it, and he sees that my signature is written without prejudice. So between the fact that I didn't put it in his hand it means he couldn't create a security out of it. He couldn't joined her with me. It meant there's no money in it for him. And so he didn't touch it, he looks at it, he comes around again he says you're free to go. [Speaker 2] (1:19:12 - 1:19:36) See, these are the, this is the next level of my evolution as like a truth warrior and a freedom fighter is really dialing in and understanding the nuance and the specificity around this subject, you know, so I hear you talk I've heard some of these words, you know I've seen videos online, and it's really fascinating to see. Yeah, and it's good. [Speaker 1] (1:19:36 - 1:20:24) I was just gonna say there's no guarantee it would have gone that way I was dealing with a very nice compassionate person. First thing he asked me is, am I are you okay. Yeah, he actually cared. So you don't know what you're going to run into they have guns. And, you know, you can very well be prepared to comply under duress only. And you tell them that I'm not consenting to give you my ID but if you're threatening me and you have a gun, then I'm going to only comply under duress. And that alone when they know that they have to force you they have to order you what happens, they start taking on liability, and most of them know it. You might have to go up the ranks a little bit talk to supervisors to get somebody who understands that liability but they need your consent to make that jointer. [Speaker 2] (1:20:25 - 1:20:58) I understand a little bit and you kind of enter the field of commerce right it's just offers and claims that are being made, and once you realize that game. You can play within it on some level. And from what I understand it's never about refusing an offer. It's about providing a counter right because they're obliged to answer your claims being your questions as well. So, it's like, are you threatening me, am I am I being threatened right now, and putting me. [Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:21) Yeah, yeah, exactly. Are you, are you, are you going I'm I don't consent I don't want to do this, but if you're ordering me, I will. Yeah, and they don't want to do that. For them. So, yeah. What was I going to say that was related to the first thing you were talking about also shoot I forgot it. [Speaker 2] (1:21:22 - 1:21:26) That's all right. Um, have you had Tom Barnett on the Freedom Law Summit. [Speaker 1] (1:21:26 - 1:22:02) Absolutely. Yeah, he's one of my favorites you know the after 24 there's a lot of speakers there's a lot of good ones in there but Tom is very clean. And I like, he's very practical he's very playful. That's another thing that is a really great quality in law that it's not so serious, you do get to a point where you're not afraid of. I'm not, I'm not totally there I'm not 100% there but you're literally not afraid of authority anymore. You're not afraid of somebody who sits and tells you, you have to do this you have the law I'm going to, I'm going to punish you I'm going to harm you I'm going to take it, take you to jail, you know, take you to jail. That is a harm. That's an abduction. [Speaker 2] (1:22:03 - 1:22:03) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:22:03 - 1:24:33) And, and you get to a point where no they're, they're just a man or a woman just like me, they're not above me. And I shouldn't fear them, and it does back up to that basic you know if you if you fear unconsciously for your life, then they're much more likely to be able to to handle you. And, and still, you know, there was one person that I interviewed one of Alphonse Fasciolo's protégés, and he was literally standing outside there was some kind of a kerfuffle it was COVID related and he was just standing outside of his place in a bathrobe to see what was going on. And the cops came down the road and they said, get off the street in their Megahorn, and he looked down at his feet and he saw he was on the sidewalk he said okay I'm okay. I'm not on the street I'm on the sidewalk, but they meant, get out of sight. So they drive right up to him six guys get out of the car, they come they they take him by the neck and throw him to the ground. They smash his face into the concrete haul them off. Right, that's what he was dealing with because they, they saw him as belligerent by not getting off the street. Meanwhile he didn't say one word he has it all on video, you can see it was a total attack. So these things can happen. Now he was a complete rock star because he didn't consent to anything. And, you know, the next day they just simply had to let him go he didn't get fingerprinted he didn't give over information, all kinds of things never happened because he didn't commit any crime and they know it. So yes, they can haul you off to jail we've had several rally leaders here. There was a warrants out for five of their arrests one day they still haven't got one of them, because he's a church minister he stays either in his church or in hiding. And they can't arrest them in the church for some reason they're not breaking that rule, like they they break the rest of them. But you know it's not the end of the world going to jail, I don't want to go to jail and it doesn't sound fun they do actually torture you in there they woke up my, my friend every five minutes throughout the night, made sure she was completely sleep deprived. You know they there are a certain number of them, maybe half of them that enjoy causing suffering that's why they get into that line of work. It's not pleasant, but it doesn't kill you. And you come out of it the other side if you don't if you don't comply and you stand your ground, then, then you see who you are, and the power that you have. [Speaker 2] (1:24:33 - 1:26:14) Yeah. So I went to the freedom rally here in Australia in July and I received a fine for being present, and then there were other ones planned and I've had visits from the cops, since asking me about future plan protests, what I know about future plan protests, then the day before, they checked on me to make sure I wasn't going to the next one, so they're fully ID'ing everyone involved like some kind of minority minority report kind of scenario. And I feel what you're saying, and what comes up to me and what I'm tapping into from most people around me is that it's not so much like for me, I don't feel like it's my personal fear, but I feel like it's what's the consequences on my children if I choose to be arrested and I choose to go to jail, and where is my real responsibility in handling these scenarios, being a father of two young daughters, you know, because in my initial scenario, I refused to provide my ID for sitting in the park eating a cucumber, because I know I committed no crime. And he said he's going to arrest me if I don't provide it. And my wife was there and my two young babies were there, you know, and in my head, I'm like, do I want these girls to see me get hauled away by this guy right now, you know, and like if I was by myself, that's the decision I probably would have made. But I decided to, I guess, quote unquote comply, because I felt as though the perceived benefit was not worth the potential trauma that I might be, you know what I mean, playing part in for my girls. [Speaker 1] (1:26:15 - 1:26:42) Absolutely. And you could never judge anybody for that and parents have at the hardest the Bible said it right in these times, because it's and I haven't figured this part out like how God seemed to have created some kind of double bind. Because if I'm willing to die for freedom and then I leave my child in this world unprotected. Yeah, then what is that so it's it's a pretty I'm still working on this one I'll get back to you. [Speaker 2] (1:26:42 - 1:27:24) You know, so am I like, I know you've had a near death experience. So have I, but mine was very, very different. I was in the ocean and I completely gave up. I thought I was done for good. But I tried to get back so many times to shore. I couldn't. I was in a rip. There was nothing I could do. And, you know, I gave up. But the feeling that came up for me was you fucked up. You just you fucked up right because of who I'm leaving behind, and who I'm letting I'm letting them continue their life right without without me. It was nothing other than you fucked up, you know, and you're right. It's like it's a bind. Yeah, I didn't even know that man. That's the first time I've heard that story. [Speaker 1] (1:27:24 - 1:27:47) Wow. Wow. So powerful to come up the other side. And then you get a second chance, right? Like that you can then it's very often the case. I don't know if this happened for you, but there will be a maybe a mending of ways or a deeper appreciation of the riches you have in, in being that in that role in having those children and, and that family. [Speaker 2] (1:27:48 - 1:28:51) Yeah, absolutely. Well, what happened was like, I mean, I could, I could no longer see the shore. So my last resort was just screaming at the top of my lungs, hoping that some kind of miracle available to me. So I was yelling, yelling, yelling, yelling. And then there was a surfer did deeper, deeper behind the rip. And he was wearing all white on a white surfboard. I shit you not. And he's like, I'm coming, mate. I'm coming. And he grabbed me and we just shared the deepest embrace afterwards. I'm like, thank you, man. Like, he literally saved my life, you know. But, but truly what you say is correct, because I feel like I stepped deeper onto my hero's journey after that event. Lots of things. Like I started learning about the tarot and humans, human design and about myself. And I finally decided to no longer commit energy to things that, you know, main weren't, weren't aligned with me being certain businesses I was involved with, et cetera. So, yeah, it was, it was a life changing experience in that regard for sure. I think that surfer wearing all white knew that here for the truth had to be born. And so we came in and saved the day. [Speaker 1] (1:28:51 - 1:28:53) Yeah. Just saying. [Speaker 2] (1:28:53 - 1:28:54) For sure. [Speaker 1] (1:28:56 - 1:28:59) Exactly. Wow. Great story. Love it. [Speaker 2] (1:29:00 - 1:29:00) Thanks. [Speaker 3] (1:29:02 - 1:29:02) Hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:29:03 - 1:29:05) It's hard to, hard to go somewhere from there. [Speaker 1] (1:29:08 - 1:29:10) It's a good showstopper. No, I mean, that's, go ahead. [Speaker 2] (1:29:10 - 1:29:33) No, I just, I love, you know, I love the personal elements of this and the stories and, you know, we talked about at the beginning about this bifurcation of not just your humanity, but just the bifurcation within families. And so like, what has been your experience. In your with your family like the last, you know, 18 months 17 months especially as you've been speaking out more. [Speaker 1] (1:29:34 - 1:34:17) Yeah, it's, you know, as I mentioned earlier, my family is full of medical professionals so not surprising that they were hook line and sinker in with the narrative. And they're the first to sign up for the job, of course, and, you know, so very quickly actually last summer I was invited to upstate New York for a little truth or retreat it wasn't an organized thing I was just invited I was totally honored because it was a bunch of big podcasters and I felt very special. So I drove 6000 kilometers from here. Yeah, I blew the border right like the border was totally closed but I managed to get through a huge adventure and I was super proud of myself to drive that far alone through the United States a person that gets lost a lot and, you know, so it's just amazing. And I, I made sure to tell my family before I was going, because I didn't want to have them go like, Oh, Beth you went to New York you terrible person you lied and everything like that so I told them and they're like oh great have a good trip they nobody really thought twice about it at the moment but when I got home, then they demonized me, and they demonized me so badly that when I went on our annual camping trip. You know, they treated me like the pariah, they didn't want to be around me they were they were nobody nobody was like outright mean to my face because my family's not like that they're they're mean behind your back. But I was ostracized I was, I was pushed out they had to have a big family meeting, whether I was invited to the family meal or not. In the end they decided I could come but made my son could come, but we couldn't touch the food so we had to be only served for like just like really demoralizing humiliating. I rolled with it it was, you know, but it was a camping trip to end all camping trips I managed to find a truth or couple on the other side of the campground we hung out and got high and instead it was just like, you know, it's nuts. And so that's been, that was very difficult I had one, only one person was brave enough to talk to me about stuff. And, but right away he got bitch slapped by my sister, and, and that was over he wouldn't talk to me again. So it was a kind of a write off and very sad because honestly, the, it's not my loss, they, they really weren't my people, if this is only an exaggeration. It wasn't, it wasn't the creation of conflict, it was just an exaggeration of what was already there but I wanted that family for my son, that extended family right it's, it's something that I've had my whole life for better and for worse and it's just, it's really gone, they, they claim not to have rejected him but nobody will reach out to him or have any relationship with him. Outside of me engineering that so you know it was it was devastating I had my own nephew that I had been a champion for when everybody in the family rejected him for another reason I was always checking in on him giving him money, bringing him over for meals making sure he's okay, giving him gas money he never paid me back for. And then when he found out that I don't believe in the boogeyman, he told me never to contact him again that I should go in and get get psychiatric care and I should never message him again so that that was a real kick in the face I'm still, I'm still feeling some pain from that. But it was early, early on enough and and like I said that's you know so many as my family and and all of those other people vacated my premises I was flooded with with amazing people in the truth community, that the quality of communication went way up my transparency my authenticity, I thought I was already being authentic in fact that's like part of my platform is being authentic. And, but it was at a whole new level now I was hiding from nothing and no one, I'd lost everything already, there was nothing more to lose. And that was incredibly liberating, and has attracted the most precious beautiful community around me, I don't feel alone. One little bit there's there's so many good souls out there, very supportive, above and beyond. I've connected with people on the land with, you know, a great farm, where we're likely to be bugging out, even not too long from now. So, you know, it's it's a gift and and yeah it was hard it was it was definitely a rite of passage but I went I went through my worst fear that I would lose my family, unconsciously there is that idea that as long as you have family you're going to survive family shows up for each other. And when that was gone I had to face another level of that fear of of not surviving, and I did and here I am all stronger for it. [Speaker 2] (1:34:18 - 1:34:27) Mm hmm. I love you, Beth. You have family in Topanga Canyon, California just want you to know that if you ever find yourself here. [Speaker 1] (1:34:27 - 1:34:28) All right, I'll be right there. [Speaker 2] (1:34:29 - 1:34:32) Yeah, you have a place you can just, you know, go through the border without them knowing. [Speaker 1] (1:34:33 - 1:34:33) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:34:34 - 1:34:38) And I mean not that you not that you want to come here but yeah, I can offer you a place in Sydney. [Speaker 1] (1:34:39 - 1:34:56) I have a very dear client in Australia and I hope I hope you'll listen to this and. And then I just always fantasize he's he's got a friend that is bringing a boat from Mexico to Australia and that's their getaway plan maybe I shouldn't say this in public. [Speaker 2] (1:34:57 - 1:35:05) I bet private patrons only. That's right, that's right patrons that are listening right now please do not share this information. [Speaker 1] (1:35:05 - 1:36:04) Exactly, exactly. No, it's funny. Do you guys know who Jeff Berwick is. Yeah, dollar vigilante so he showed up on one of my videos yesterday and left a comment that he thought it was cool. I got in front of the Winnipeg school board trustee, the local division here that that oversees my son's school. And I got involved with a woman who is going to come and do a notice with us so I thought oh my god you're so brave to just jump in and learn the law and do this notice I'll be brave enough to come and speak at the school board meeting with you. So it turns out to be three of us that are that are basically already like very linked and very connected in truth. And we almost took a machine gun out at them, we weren't in person it was it was zoom but I opened my talk by saying this is a notice of liability. And I just hammered them so he comes on and gives me these kudos so now I have a fantasy that he's going to get me a private jet to Anarchapulco this year. [Speaker 2] (1:36:05 - 1:36:05) Wow. [Speaker 1] (1:36:06 - 1:36:09) Just saying that out loud in case it could possibly happen. [Speaker 2] (1:36:10 - 1:36:21) I can't remember why but I was thinking about Jeff Berwick in the first part of this podcast and I don't know why. So that's, that's really weird. Yeah, we'll get Jeff on here one day. [Speaker 1] (1:36:21 - 1:37:41) Good luck with that, he doesn't do interviews anymore. I was, I was very fortunate I interviewed him a while back for the King Heroes Journey. He had me on his podcast that got me into Anarchapulco. Then, then again the last year and then he did a, he showed something he actually showed my Pat King video even after I told him he was controlled up and called me a friend of his so I'm like, I'm a friend of Jeff Berwick. Small thrills like it just, I don't know it makes it makes this, because, you know, if you're just suffering through your freedom movement that's not that's not the truth. There's, there's a lot of that I'm not going to claim, boy I had my first tantrum in probably 20 years the other day yelling at God and smashing the plastic things in the, in the kitchen and very quickly I realized okay this is just draining the life out of me it's not working I have to go back to everything that I preach and tell other people to do. But it is the connection that makes all of this worthwhile in fact there's no purpose without connection. This is how we learn from each other we're we're a mirror to to show each other what's there the good the bad the ugly, so we can know ourself and and navigate in a way that is for the actually life, giving rather than sucking the life out of us. [Speaker 2] (1:37:42 - 1:38:00) Well said, I got a lot of love for the Canadian truthers you know yourself David Whitehead Jason Kristoff as well you know, I don't know if you're familiar with Jason if you've had no. Yeah, he's great we had him on our podcast was the two episodes ago, he's he's full on truth seeker. You should definitely connect with Jason. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:38:01 - 1:38:04) Okay yeah I'd love an introduction. Cool, cool. Definitely. [Speaker 2] (1:38:05 - 1:38:30) Man I think that's a, that's a beautiful place to leave this one Beth like honestly just so grateful for how you show up, and you mean your uncompromising willingness to stand and speak your truth is just admirable and it's inspirational and I'm so grateful that we became acquainted and that you joined us here, and then we're going to join you on your platform next week. Thank you so much, honestly. [Speaker 1] (1:38:31 - 1:38:32) Absolutely. My pleasure and honor. [Speaker 2] (1:38:33 - 1:38:44) Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much just for everything you're doing and how you present yourself just like the fierceness and just badassness that that you are and really really grateful that you spent some time with us today. [Speaker 1] (1:38:44 - 1:38:46) Thank you so much. [Speaker 2] (1:38:46 - 1:38:55) Before we bounce like to share with our audience a little bit about how they can reach you and maybe any offers that you currently have. [Speaker 1] (1:38:56 - 1:43:00) Yes, absolutely. Thanks for that. So my website bethmartens.com it's martens.com. You can find that quiz that you talked about so in 10 minutes you find out where you are on the path of purpose you get a little bit of insight into both the gifts and the shadows that you're working with and get get a sense of direction because that's often what people are lacking these days. My book, the is called journey, a map of archetypes to find lost purpose in a sea of meaninglessness. This is going through the eight archetypes that we talked about in the first hour, and all of the stories in my life that connect to it surviving cancer, being a teenage runaway, stealing a car going to jail, all of those kind of stories just to give it a little juicy juicy preview of that. And I have courses on the same material so there's one specifically for the king heroes out there the king heroes journey working through those archetypes so it's it's one thing to just read about them and be interested in them intellectually but to do that dive to do the emotional and spiritual work to let up the energy that's that's lost seemingly lost to you. There's also the merpreneurs journeys for women entrepreneurs, so that if you want to be valued for your purpose and frankly I think everybody needs to be valued for their purpose because that's how you fit with society, then that course is there. I'm just about to kick off my first I'm not sure when this is going to run but I'm about to kick off my, my third journey code coaching certification which is based on teaching people how to read archetypes you know that was this was inspired by the pandemic because instead of laying down and dying I prayed to God saying, what could I do to serve right now that would be helpful help to people but also inspire me and make me feel okay about going out and offering something when everybody's losing their job. And, and it is a good answer to that if you're losing your job because you can create your own private business. Nobody tells me what to do in my business. Right, they're not coming after me they're not restricting me they're not telling me what I can charge or what I can offer I can change on a dime, they can change on a dime, I can change on a dime to adapt. So that's really good that's going to kick off there's there's currently one spot left open if you hear this in time and you'd like to jump in then just send me an email beth at beth martins.com to be trained as a coach it's a seven month program it's like banking on the future, because sometimes you think like our weekend, even next month is it a given is the following month a given so by creating a seven month program then I'm just saying yep we're all going to be engaged for seven months learning this, this deep knowledge and how to serve others in a deep way as well. There's the primal power course which is available now you can just go and click button on my website. It can be done either as a standalone course or with coaching as well so I do business coaching one on one. There will likely be trainings such as that. You guys are familiar with in helping people to turn their passions skills talents and interests into a service based business that they can get out and and serve other people with as well so I think that's pretty much the lay of the land. Also, I know I mentioned it before but the choose freedom law summit I can't recommend that enough Matt Beller and myself got together we both had this the idea at the same time I picked up the phone I said hey Matt would you like to do this with me. He said, Oh my god I just had the thought yesterday to do a law summit. And we just went ballistic this summer we had Catherine Austin fits on and Alphonse fans Yolo and Robert Menard who is the kind of legend in the law world. Tom Barnett as you mentioned, Todd what's a burger. Dolores Cahill actually sought us out Mark metallic. So ton of really heavy hitters, so much knowledge in there we got nothing but good feedback. It's now open by donation and we make regular new bonuses today we interviewed Lena poo. She's like a beautiful beautiful woman highly recommend. [Speaker 2] (1:43:01 - 1:43:14) I was going to bring her up because you mentioned notice of liability and we met at the music and sky festival that was how we were there my wife and I were there. And, yeah, it was pretty awesome. So cool. [Speaker 1] (1:43:15 - 1:43:17) Yeah, she's a good one I like her a lot. Definitely. [Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:21) And there's a full on slave connection here as well I think between. [Speaker 1] (1:43:21 - 1:43:38) Well I met Paul and slave at music and sky as well and Paul enslaved in on your on your podcast or no, yes he's been on my show a couple of times and he's, he's on the Choose Freedom last summit and he just reached out to me wanting to do another show so I think I'll be having him on again he's awesome. [Speaker 2] (1:43:39 - 1:44:06) So yeah, such a good human. We connected up music and sky and he's coming on our show to in October so looking forward to it. Fantastic. Again, it's so great just like the silver lining of all of this are the connections being made that because of there's this line in the sand is that the connections that are had are coming from this really deep organic place and, you know, you can't put a price tag on that. [Speaker 1] (1:44:07 - 1:44:13) It's very satisfying at a deep soul level because again purpose and connection are the same thing you can't have one without the other. [Speaker 2] (1:44:14 - 1:44:22) Yeah. Well, my trouble. Thank you so much for coming on. Oh yeah, absolutely. [Speaker 1] (1:44:22 - 1:44:25) So much for hosting me. Yeah, huge pleasure. Thank you. [Speaker 2] (1:44:25 - 1:44:46) Likewise, and so all our members we appreciate you so much and we appreciate you value what we do. We appreciate that your patrons and you're listening to this and thank you and if you enjoy what we do please spread the word and we'd appreciate it. Thank you for listening to episode 26 with Beth Martens and we'll see you in a few days. Take care everyone.