Amy Lea Living Your Design

Joel 00:00:02.560 - 00:00:40.020 Amy Lee is a professional astrologer, human design analyst, and energy and nervous system practitioner devoted to helping others live and lead with alignments. Her work bridges the practical and the poetic, blending human design, astrology, semantic wisdom, and grounded leadership to guide individuals and visionaries towards deeper self trust, authenticity and ease rooted in the ethos of coherence over hustle. And Amy's teachings remind us that true success isn't born from force or striving, but from energetic clarity, rhythm, and the courage to live in alignment with one's design. Absolutely love that. Welcome to Here for the Truth. Amy. Amy 00:00:40.980 - 00:00:44.500 Hey Joel. Hey Erasmus. Thanks for having me. Excited to chat today. Joel 00:00:44.900 - 00:01:10.150 Yeah, us too. Us too. A couple big human design fans over here. I was introduced to human design through your assimilation when we met nearly five years ago, and your ASMOS has been into it for a lot longer than that. But one way we always like to kick off these conversations is we'd like to dive a little bit deeper into your personal hero's journey. So like, for you, what were some of the major rites of passage or main catalyzing moments that led you down your path? Amy 00:01:12.070 - 00:03:58.600 So I always go back to 2012. I'll try to keep it as succinct as possible. Sometimes brevity is not my, my strongest gift though. But yeah, 202012 was like a huge year for me. I think that was I probably the most catalytic year of my life. So prior to 2012, I was very much in the sort of party girl drinking. I was in my early 20s and in university and just pretty lost. I'm a projector, so I was also like, you know, burning the candle at both ends and just, you know, had a real interest in health and fitness and looking good. But it was all coming from this place of, you know, not loving myself basically. And I had just a really big year in 2012. I went through a really significant, like, relationship ending that was, you know, really, really difficult for me at the time. I had a family member pass away from cancer and then a couple months later I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. So I had this like very Pluto journey. And it really shifted like my whole direction all of a sudden, like I couldn't drink and do all the things I was doing. And that was the start of my, I guess, spiritual awakening too. So pretty young. So I was 23 when all of that happened and just changed my whole life. I lost a lot of friendships because all of a sudden I didn't want to go out, I didn't want to party I became interested in more like, natural health, eating organic, very obsessed with endocrine disruptors, having an autoimmune disease, you know. Anyway, and then that just led me on a journey into energy and health and healing and. Yeah, like just a. I guess a bit of a revolution for me. I went back to study. You know, I'd been. I'm. I'm a bit of a. I'm an eternal student. I'm a 51 as well. So. Yeah, yeah. So. Eternal student. Yeah. So I, like, I'm always studying and learning something, but I decided I was just going to start studying things more for the joy and the pleasure of it. So I went and studied fashion design, and then I went and studied astrology. And it was at the end of my astrology studies when I was starting to give readings, that I found human design. And then for me, that was like, the missing piece. I know a lot of projectors talk about finding human design and how they can be. A bit of bitterness about being a projector. No one wants to be a projector. Everyone wants to be a manifester or a generator. And for me, it was the opposite that I, like, I knew before I even looked my chart up. I was like, oh, my goodness, I'm definitely a projector. I know bitterness so well. Like, I. Joel 00:03:58.680 - 00:04:02.000 You kind of read the descriptors before you do your own chart and you were like, I'm. Yerasimos 00:04:02.000 - 00:04:02.280 That. Joel 00:04:02.440 - 00:04:04.360 Then you. Oh, wow, that's cool. Amy 00:04:04.680 - 00:05:20.720 Totally. I was. I had no doubt that I was a projector. And so for me, that was the missing piece. And then that's why I just became so obsessed with human design, because it helped me so much. You know, astrology had always was really helpful on my journey and my path, but it was really human design that gave me the language and the context for why I felt so different, why my energy felt different, why I constantly went through these cycles of burnout and fatigue, why I just felt like I couldn't keep up or was trying to keep up, but felt just contracted and like I was forcing all the time. And yeah, it was real. You know, it was really affirming for me to. To sort of realize, like, yeah, the reason things have felt so hard, it's because I've spent my whole life trying to be a generator. Like, or not even a generator, a weird generator, manifest a dysfunctional hybrid thing. That's, you know. So, yeah, and then that's just been my journey since then. I started my business in 2018 and, yeah, this is the longest job I've ever Had I had a real tendency of moving on in careers and jobs every two years because it's like, oh, I can feel that this isn't working for me. And the solution was always, okay, well, I need to change something, so I'll change my job, you know, rather than looking at the deeper kind of. Yeah. Energetic reason for that. Yerasimos 00:05:21.360 - 00:06:15.580 That's cool. Yeah. My wife is a projector as well. So, yeah, there was something else I wanted to say on that. And then I totally lost my train of thought. Oh, this is what I'm gonna say. Okay. So it's the one thing I do love about human design. I mean, I'm a fan of astrology. I haven't personally delved super, super deep into it, like, from of like where I feel comfortable, I could give someone a reading. But I do love what separates human design, especially when you think of type and strategy and authority. And so hearing you talk about being a projector like that is very unique in terms of the description of a projector and what they navigate that I think human design really highlights that I think can really allow a projector to really accept themselves and love themselves in such a unique way. Not to say that knowing your chart can't do that also, but I just feel like human design just adds something into the mix that I really appreciated. Amy 00:06:17.260 - 00:07:28.430 I feel like I love astrology, but there's an empowerment that you get from human design that you don't get, I think, from astrology. And like you said, the context that it gives you for why you're. How you can create success and alignment in a way that's truly sort of unique for you. You just don't get that with astrology and astrology. I don't know if you've dived into the history of human, you know, the teaching in that we were seven centered beings and we evolved into nine centered beings. And I think astrology is really helpful if it's adapted to being a nine centered system and useful for the nine centered being, whereas astrology was created by and for seven centered beings. And so that's why we see a lot of people going to astrologers and putting the astrologer in the position of the authority, like, tell me what to do. When should I get married? When should I do this thing? And the whole point of human design, in contrast to that is it's about empowering you as the authority. It always comes back to that. And so, yeah, I find astrology still to be really helpful if we look at it in that context and we're still empowering people to be the decision makers in the process. Joel 00:07:29.150 - 00:08:02.260 Yeah, totally. That's my general ethos when it comes to any system of self knowledge or divination. Did I just freeze? I'm back with any system of self knowledge. It's like you are the zodiac. You are a walking, living, breathing zodiac, and it's not something out there that's telling you how to live or what to do with all of it. Like, it's empowering you to recognize the unique blueprint of your soul, the unique reasons that you're here. And yeah, if it's not empowering you and if it's creating, like, disempowerment and, like, just more so outsourcing your power to someone else. And I think it's. The interaction is. Is wrong from the get go, you know? Amy 00:08:03.470 - 00:08:04.030 Totally. Yerasimos 00:08:04.430 - 00:08:21.790 Amy, what did your process look like? Of course, you were living this life, and then you were kind of investigating and learning, and then you came across human design and, like, what was that process like? Like, oh, I'm a projector. And then you read about being a projector and learned about being a projector, and then did you share what your authority is? Are you. Amy 00:08:21.870 - 00:08:23.310 No, I'm splenic. Yerasimos 00:08:23.390 - 00:08:35.690 Okay, so, like, learning about having a splenic authority, like, what was your deconditioning process? Like, what was your. Was your awakening into human design and kind of living more like yourself? Like, what was that like? Amy 00:08:37.130 - 00:12:21.580 Yeah, really unsexy. Like, I often described it like, it was actually a very unsexy, you know, process. Very uncomfortable in a lot of ways. I was so. At the time, I was working for fashion brands in, like, admin hr. And so it was interesting for me because projectors, we learn through the other. So I just, you know, I was learning about my chart, but I actually just started applying it to the. The not really telling anyone, but I just started, you know. Well, people would, I think, would guess because I'd asked for their birth details, but I started applying it in, like, my work environment and was using it to sort of observe the people around me. But I. When it comes to deconditioning, I really had to start with the sacral. And deconditioning the sacral out of just survival and necessity. So because I'd been through burnout so many times, and I was, you know, the fashion. I also, you know, it's funny as a projector, but I seem to choose industries that also just were quite hardcore as well. So, like, you go into the fashion industry and it's like, big hours, big demands. You know, which just really isn't very healthy for anyone, let alone a projector. So I had to start with the sacral. And so I really focused on that in the beginning. And that was sort of when you. When I looked at all the not self patterns in my chart, that was the one that felt most prominent at the time. Then I also have an undefined ego, completely open ego, and an undefined solar plexus. So then they were the next two sort of big journeys or patterns for me. And I had a realization. I was still working at the time, but I realized my whole career, every promotion, every raise I'd ever had was literally me being rewarded for my not self. Like, like everything. Being the good girl, proving overworking, overdoing, how can I please, you know? And my bosses would even say that to me. I used to work really closely with like the directors and the CEOs of the companies I worked for. And sometimes it's like they just liked me to be there and be in the space because it's like I was the problem solver, you know, And I would seem to find myself in these positions where I would be the person who understood everyone else's roles. So someone else is away and I could be filling the gaps even in someone else's role. So it was just like. But again, overdoing it and completely overextending myself. So. Yeah, but I always say deconditioning is really cyclical too. So I feel like I've gone through seasons of, you know, big deconditioning. And then I might think I've resolved that pattern. And then that not self, it kind of comes back. It gets really good at masking itself. I think it can be really sneaky. A lot of the process for me was, I guess, noticing the unhealthy things that I've been celebrated for as well, you know, because the not self, especially in work and business, is usually. It's often celebrated. You know, I'm so grateful I have a defined route in my chart because I think it could have been chaos if I had an undefined route as well. Because, you know, the find root person who can do the work of four to five people in a day, and they're celebrated and they're rewarded for that constantly. So I'm always grateful that I have that center defined in my chart. It gives me an anchoring and stability. But yeah, a lot of it was relational too. Realizing as a projector all the relationships that maybe weren't reciprocal, all the places I was trying to get people to see me and notice me and recognize me. Yeah, but I just wasn't such a. Joel 00:12:21.580 - 00:12:46.460 Dysfunctional kind of like rabbit and stick scenario when you're being rewarded continually for being not who you are. And then you know, your North Star in life becomes let me suppress my real self as much as possible and then just this not self and conditioned version of oneself becomes more and more to the egoic forefront because like oh, this is what people are paying me for. This is what I'm getting a raise for. This is what I'm. And like no wonder we see so much, you know, dysfunctional around us. Yerasimos 00:12:46.940 - 00:13:15.000 Yeah. Amy, also I'm curious your thoughts. Whether it's your personal experience or even with projectors or non energy types that you've worked with, do you find that they're the types that they essentially, if they're operating from the not self, they're more likely to be reliant on stimulants and coffee and other substances in order to keep up, you know. So I'm curious your thoughts on that. Amy 00:13:15.400 - 00:13:49.330 Yeah, totally. 100 or we become addicted to sacral energy too. It's like we can start to rely on, we need to plug into the sacral being in our life or we need to go to the cafe or you know, we need to get that as well. Yeah. I find people who have defined roots tend to do a little bit better with things like coffee, you know, so. But undefined roots, it can be a little bit more, I don't know, like not dysfunctional but maybe not as supportive for the undefined route. Yerasimos 00:13:49.650 - 00:14:11.350 Yeah, I have a completely open route and I mean I only have three centers to find but completely open route. And I like stimulants. Even though I've had my fair share of experiences with them in my life, they don't, they're not ideal for me. You know, I might can enjoy them once in a while. But Yeah, I went 11 years without any types of stimulants because it was. Wasn't ideal. But. Yeah, that's interesting. Joel 00:14:12.790 - 00:14:45.470 Yeah, something you said is really interesting to me. Like with the deconditioning process which is like you kind of went through the not self themes intentionally like sensor by sensor and I don't think many people actually think about it that way. Like I'm intentionally deconditioning this not self theme as opposed to, you know, we call human design, you know, the deconditioning process in general. And we kind of just do it more so haphazardly by like living my strategy. Whatever. I'm going to decondition. But I feel like there's a way to do it more effectively maybe if you're actively working with a center at a time, you know. Amy 00:14:46.750 - 00:16:44.530 Yeah, I find that to be. For me, it was the most helpful approach. And it's usually the way I break it down for clients. And it's not that like, I mean nothing really functions as like exists in a vacuum in the chat. Everything's all the dysfunctions feeding off the other dysfunction, you know, and it's all kind of present usually in this kind of mishmash of dysfunction that you have. But for me, just bringing intention to like, I'm really going to pay attention to all the ways I'm trying to prove myself or all the ways I'm. Because for me, as a first line projector to completely open ego, I can get really hooked on self improvement and like obsessive about it, you know. So I went through seasons where actually recently I had another season. I was like, I'm just reading fairy smart and romantasy and fantasy books and I'm not reading another self help book. You know, I had like 18 months of like no personal development. You know, I am just, I'm okay right now, you know, and I think there's still even fun to find. There's still a place for personal development. But it's when it becomes, you know, the, you're stuck on it, you know, and the motivation behind it is like there's constantly something wrong for me. So. No, but what, what I find when people start their human design journey, there's often one or two of those undefined centers where it's like really easy to recognize, you know, like, yeah, this is the pattern. This is the thing that's keeping me stuck. Like I can see this. And then with time it's like we can, we can start to see the other patterns that might be there. You know. For me, I also have a completely open head center and that was the one. Yeah, I was for years, like not an issue for me. I'm fine. Like that's not even a thing for me. And then it was like three or four years into deconditioning, I was like, oh my goodness. Like, Amy, that is like actually what's derailing you right now, you know, So I feel like we can have seasons where certain patterns become, you know, more to the. Maybe move more to the forefront. Yerasimos 00:16:45.490 - 00:17:38.470 Yeah, I have a completely open head and root and for me that was a big one. The head just feeling like pulled in all these directions and thinking about everything and Feeling like. Like if I got a text from someone about a question, I'm like, I have to spend the next four hours figuring out, trying to solve this person's issues and send them all the links. And. And then before I know, I'm like, where. Where'd my day go? You know? Yeah, that was a big one for me. And also the openage, you know, like, this need to convince people that I have the truth and that I'm certain and that, like, they need to believe what I believe. Like, it's. It is interesting to see how they. They. They play into each other and how they dance together, because I have an undefined throat as well and an undefined ego center. So it's like, let me prove myself by also attracting attention, and I want people to pay attention to me. So it's all these things then. Yeah, it's very interesting, for sure. But I definitely, like, kind of going by them one by one and just trying to get clear, like, especially with the. Amy 00:17:38.550 - 00:17:38.950 The. Yerasimos 00:17:39.190 - 00:18:00.810 The heart center, like, what is the underlying motivation for the things I'm saying and doing and how I'm enacting? And am I. Is it. Can I tune in and go. I'm just trying. I just want someone to pat me on the back. I want someone to, like, tell me I'm okay. I want someone to, like, say, you're awesome. You're so smart and you're so funny, and you're so that. And it's like, yo, chill, bro. Chill, chill. Just live your life. You're good. Joel 00:18:01.930 - 00:18:11.610 Yeah, me. So I got a completely open heart center too. So it's interesting dance for sure. Especially in relationship. Am I good enough? Am I doing okay? You know? Yeah. Amy 00:18:12.250 - 00:18:17.210 So what centers do you both have? So you're both emotional and sacral. So you've got those centers. Yerasimos 00:18:17.650 - 00:18:19.330 Joel's way more defined than I am. Joel 00:18:19.970 - 00:18:27.090 Yeah. So I. For me, it's head is open and Ajna and hearts are completely open and the rest are defined. Amy 00:18:28.930 - 00:18:30.610 So define G slain. Yerasimos 00:18:30.930 - 00:18:32.210 Your six centers. Define. Joel 00:18:32.210 - 00:18:33.130 Right? Yeah. Yerasimos 00:18:33.130 - 00:18:33.529 Yeah. Joel 00:18:33.529 - 00:18:34.370 And you're free. Yerasimos 00:18:34.690 - 00:18:37.010 What's completely open for you? You have open heart. Joel 00:18:37.010 - 00:18:41.210 Completely and completely open. Arjuna and completely open heart. Gotcha. Yerasimos 00:18:41.210 - 00:18:48.920 And then undefined head. Yeah, Yeah, I. I just have G center definition, sacral definition and solar plexus definition. Amy 00:18:49.160 - 00:18:54.040 Yeah. Okay. Beautiful. And do you know what channels define your sacrals? Yerasimos 00:18:54.200 - 00:19:01.640 Yeah, I have 214. 59. 6. Joel and I both have 59, 6. Amy 00:19:02.040 - 00:19:02.840 Oh, nice. Yerasimos 00:19:02.840 - 00:19:10.100 214. And then why am I forgetting? It's the one to the right of 214, 25, 29, 46 clean up discovery. Amy 00:19:10.260 - 00:19:10.620 Yeah. Yerasimos 00:19:10.620 - 00:19:12.020 Yeah. So those are my three channels. Joel 00:19:12.980 - 00:19:16.420 Yeah, for me I've only got one channel off my sacral which is the 59 6. Amy 00:19:16.900 - 00:19:21.860 Yeah, that's nice. You have that in common, like friendship, companionship through that. It's beautiful. Yerasimos 00:19:22.020 - 00:19:55.990 Yeah. And I also find too through that too is like with the podcast and even just I've noticed this in person in my relationships, like people open up to me like very deeply and I found that we've had multiple clients, multiple guests on a podcast tell us that like I've shared something on this podcast that I've never shared before. So I think, I think that plays into it a little bit. But yeah, and then I'm a left angle cross of education. So 12 is my personality son and then Joel's left angle cross of uncertainty. 14 personality son. Joel 00:19:56.070 - 00:19:56.510 Yeah. Yerasimos 00:19:56.510 - 00:20:56.580 So anyways, it's been a fun journey. You know, I, I as someone who also loves self knowledge and personal development and it's been really cool to see how these systems and different systems have really just allowed me to get out of the compare and contrast game and be like yo, this is, this is what I'm about. This is who, who I am. I don't need to be anyone than, than who I was born to be. Now the process born to be but the process of that is obviously where some of the work comes into play. But it's definitely been a fun journey and I've loved it for relationship reasons. Like when I met my wife, we both knew human design, but very briefly because we've been together almost 11 years and so just as we've come together, she's a 35 projector, I'm a 51 generator. It's been really cool in, in that sense to really get one another in terms and then also trust and then honoring each other's emotional wave because we're both emotional authorities. That's supported us in partnership too because a lot of times her wave would trigger my wave and my wave would trigger her and we just, you just have more self awareness around it and just allow a person like I honestly. Joel 00:20:56.580 - 00:21:06.200 Don'T know how emotionals can relate to each other without understanding emotional waves. Like I just think it'll be like my former self the way I used to formally rel. Chaos. It's chaos man. Yerasimos 00:21:07.400 - 00:21:27.560 Yeah. And, and I'm curious your thoughts on this because you know, a lot of you know, they're like generic relationship advice is like don't go to bed angry. But then my Wife and I always say like no, no, go to bed angry. Like, like go to bed, move through it, wake up and we're. You're in a different state. Instead of let's just start arguing while we're deep in a wave. It's like, no, I just need my space. Joel 00:21:27.720 - 00:21:31.240 Yeah, try, try force a resolution. Well, like it cannot be attained right now. Amy 00:21:32.720 - 00:23:11.090 No, exactly. I actually taught a course on this at the beginning of the year and use that as an example of like this is very unhelpful advice, you know, for emotional but also for split definition people. So my partner, he's an emotional 24 managen but single definition. I'm a split definition projector. So even though I'm splenic sometimes if someone's giving me information, I actually still am. Like, I don't know, hang on, like I need to go out in my day, I need to go walk my dog, I need to go get a coffee and then I'm assimilated and like okay, I've got the data and I can kind of, I know what to do with this. So I think for a lot of people it's like actually you know, there are so many things that indicate like maybe I'm not going to be clear right now and it's not the best thing to like have this out, you know, in the moment. And also I think it's. Yeah, I think understanding the emotional wave for everyone. So for me being undefined there also it's like important for me so that I can be very aware of like oh, when am I picking up on your way? You know, when, when am I amplifying just what's going on for you? And then how can I keep supporting and encouraging like you just to take your time? Even if maybe I know what's going to happen, you just keep taking your time and keep feeling into it. So I think, and the emotional center is so interesting because with the world's just not really designed for it yet, you know, being the newest center, it's like we understand that splenic survival fear awareness. We understand that Ajna logical intellectual awareness that we're still learning about that emotional awareness like, like for everyone, even people who are undefined there. Yerasimos 00:23:11.250 - 00:23:44.940 I mean just look around. I mean I wouldn't say society and humanity is like super emotionally intelligent. I mean it's, it's, we're, we're in a, in a stage of infancy with that and literally. Yeah, yeah, but we're moving towards, I think maturity. Is that also a piece of what the, the shift to 2027. The new cross is about as well. I'd love for you to talk about that a little bit because everyone throws it out there. Oh, 2027. And so if you can kind of give people your summary and your thoughts on that, that would be helpful. Yeah. Amy 00:23:45.020 - 00:24:54.080 Oh my gosh. Where do we. There's. So I was wondering if this was going to come up because it's such a, you know, it's such an interesting topic. So, so yeah, we're definitely. We're meant to be attuning more to the solar plexus awareness. The cross that we're moving into, the cross of the sleeping Phoenix, has the 55 in it. And so the 55 is spirit abundance, spirit awareness. But it's also just been in our evolution. So when we were seven center beings, the solar plexus is just in general one of the newer center that emerged, they say when we evolved in 1781 from the seventh center being to the nine center being, it was the spleen and the solar plexus split and it was the G center and the ego split. So yeah, But I think it will be the new beings being born really post 2027 that will probably have a lot to teach us about this awareness. But the solar plexus, you know, have you guys explored this with like the raves and the, the evolution? Yerasimos 00:24:54.240 - 00:25:22.590 I have a little bit, you know, some of that stuff can get a little bit more like esoteric in terms of, okay, babies are being born, what are these people going to be like? But for me, looking into the shift has been more like individual based in terms of just like our need to build more capacity within our nervous system to have more, you know, intelligence or more, more capacity within our nervous system, cultivating greater emotional intelligence. That's kind of the, the kind of the angle that I've kind of been taking it. Taking it. But I'd love to hear more in your take. Amy 00:25:23.390 - 00:26:06.990 Yeah, well, have you listened to the telepathy tape? Yeah. So I think that kind of the precursor. So I think that's speaking to the type of awareness that will develop in the solar plexus center for a lot of the children being born post 2027. So it's more. And I always try to take this with a grain of salt, but what the teaching is in human design is that there will start to be babies being born post 2027 who are telepathic, basically, and they don't need words and language to communicate. They're communicating through the solar plexus and through Emotional frequency. So that's the, I guess mutational evolution for the species is more into that. Yerasimos 00:26:07.630 - 00:26:40.050 Do you think, do you think, though, that with that is going to come, even being, let's say, your motor skills are also going to be okay as well? Because it seems like with telepathy tapes, you know, and we can get into a whole reasoning why a person maybe becomes autistic or a savant or whatever that's, that's. We don't need to have that conversation. But, like, are. Are people in the future going to be able to like, move, like, move and connect like how we are, but then also have this ability to maybe like, just not have to use as many words? Do you know what I mean? Amy 00:26:41.410 - 00:27:06.610 So he sort of speaks of there being children who do appear to be like, highly autistic, but then there will still be people who are. Have access to motor skills like we do as well. So it's like there's this overarching evolution that the whole species is going through. And then there's like this, I guess, more micro experience that these certain children will have in that as well. So. Joel 00:27:08.870 - 00:27:10.350 So this is coming from Ra, you're. Amy 00:27:10.350 - 00:27:55.020 Saying this is part of his sort of teachings and predictions of 2027. He Also, you know, a lot of what he did, I, again, I take with a grain of salt, but a lot of what he did say, you know, he talks about a fertility crisis. He talks about, you know, by 2024, you want to start buying gold and silver and that money's going to change and currency's going to change. So, like, there's a fair bit of what he's. He has said that has kind of played out so far. So we'll, we'll see. But the gift will be these, if these children are born, that they're so much more intelligent than, than we are. Right. And they are so much more emotionally and intuitively attuned and tapped in. But we might think there's something wrong with them, but there's actually not the perfect, you know. Yerasimos 00:27:55.180 - 00:28:21.630 Well, and I think that's what like, the telepathy tapes has kind of shown, you know, because it's easy to be like, oh, let's have pity for these people, these kids. And then you realize, whoa, whoa. They're what they're capable of, what they know, what they sense is beyond anything that, you know, we're experiencing right now. I mean, I mean, I've witnessed it in person. Like, I've seen telepathy in person with like, an autistic savant. And I'm just blown away. Like, just blown away. So, yeah, yeah. Joel 00:28:25.470 - 00:28:39.460 What have you come to understand as the relationship between, like, human design and the nervous system in your kind of study? Because I understand that, like, you're into kind of both worlds. So how do you go about bridging those worlds together? Amy 00:28:40.580 - 00:30:17.740 I love this. Thank you. So I find human design works really well with parts work to begin with. Yeah. Really just seamlessly, like, they go together so beautifully. Because often the not self, you know, you can really map the. Also the protector part, what. You know, and the vulnerable sort of part beneath with the nervous system. What I have found is oftentimes the not self, though, is where we feel safety and comfort in a lot of ways. So the nervous system can actually be. We can be quite attuned to our not self, even though we might sense that it's not healthy. There's something in that pattern, you know, that gives us a sense of what. But I know this, you know, and I can feel safe. So a lot of the times, the deconditioning journey, it's just. It's learning to find the safety in more being your true self, which can feel a bit frightening. Right. Like sometimes being, you know, fully expressed in your definition can feel a little bit confronting. Because a lot of people have experiences where they're made to feel too much, you know, or they're made to feel like, oh, that quality or that energy, you know, that's not. That's not it. Like, we want. We want you to be doing, you know, this other thing here. So for me, it's usually a process of that, like gently learning to find safety in the true self and recognizing all the ways that we revert back to the not self, which can also be like a comfort zone in a lot of ways. The not self, you know, like our life's things aren't working. I'm just going to revert back to that old habit of pleasing everyone or I'm going to revert back to that old habit of just rushing through my days and just doing more, you know, and hustling. Joel 00:30:17.740 - 00:30:22.260 It feels so familiar. So it feels safe in a sense when it's not really. Yeah, yeah. Amy 00:30:22.260 - 00:30:45.550 And in a lot of ways, the not self gets results for people too. You know, it can create those sort of micro wins where you think, oh, this is working. And, you know, it's when you look at it sort of in the big picture, though, that you realize, well, maybe I was making money. Yeah, but I'm. I hate my life or I'm I'm unhealthy. Yerasimos 00:30:45.550 - 00:30:48.870 I'm unhealthy, you know, like I'm dealing with all these physical issues. Amy 00:30:49.670 - 00:31:15.450 Yeah, totally. So it goes. It all works really beautifully. Like in my mind, I'm a quadrite though, in human design. So I'm like, all right, all receptive, non linear flow. So it's like when I learn different systems, like even with the gene keys now, it's like I find that I'm not really differentiating things into different buckets. It's just like everything's in there as like a bit of a soup. So to me it just all works really cohesively. Yerasimos 00:31:16.090 - 00:31:26.350 Yeah. What do you say when people go, oh, I'm a projector, I have no energy. Like, can you talk about that more? Because I feel like projectors get, oh, I don't have a sacral, I can't do anything. I need to sleep all the time. Joel 00:31:26.670 - 00:31:28.670 And manifest as in reflect as well. Amy 00:31:28.670 - 00:33:14.120 Yeah, yeah, look, it's a bit of a thing because I think when people, when undefined sacrals find human design, they do often go through like a recalibration period where they're more tired at first, you know. So I usually try to remind people, like, okay, you're not going to feel this tired forever. You know, you're deconditioning. So this is why like starting with the sacral for those energy types is usually really important in the beginning. But there should be a recalibration process that happens where it's like, you might be more tired, but then you find your baseline and whatever that is for you. I actually really don't like the whole projectors aren't here to work thing either. I think that gets really misinterpreted as well. We live in this 3D world. I certainly work, but it's. What kind of work work are you doing? What kind of like. And for projectors, work really centers around where are we giving our attention. Like, that's the main thing. Someone's getting our attention and we're receiving for that in some way is the ideal. But no, and it's funny with manifesters because I think like I see manifesters as just really seasonal beings. So once they go through the recalibration, once they stop trying to generate, once they start listening to their body, they should then be still having seasons where there is a lot of energy. You know, when they're in a surge, when they're in like a creative impulse for something, like they do have access to some form of energy. That's what Makes them a manifesto. But it's all about surrendering, I think, to the off season for them, like, leaning in, not pushing through when they are in a rest cycle, like, learning to be okay with that, and then they get the benefit of the next surgeon. Yerasimos 00:33:15.950 - 00:33:16.190 Yeah. Amy 00:33:16.190 - 00:34:33.590 And, I mean, reflectors are interesting because some reflectors are just like little energizer bunnies, though. You know, they're so unique. Yeah. But for all of those three types, though, just learning to rest before they feel tired. Like, the thing I always say to people is, like, by the time you feel like you're exhausted, you're actually probably too far gone, you know, so coming up with strategies to just stop before you get to that point. But no, we've still got energy. I'm an energy projector, though, so I've defined root. So I feel like, for me, I've just really had to attune to the root center and move with the pulse. That happens naturally for me. And, I mean, one of the most helpful things for me was having a season of not plugging into sacral energy, though, which for me was Covid. You know, when everyone was in. We're in lockdowns, I was probably the only. I feel like I might have been the only person in the world that was like, yes. Forced rest. Like, I am like, yes. Like, I was excited for the. For the first one. It was like two weeks. I was like, I can do. This is amazing. This is a holiday. But then I was living alone, and then all of a sudden, not plugging into sacrals every day. So I really got to decondition through that necessary, you know, forced period of, like, don't. Not getting to plug into all the sacrals. I had been. Yerasimos 00:34:34.150 - 00:34:37.350 My wife would joke all the time that, like, projectors were loving the lockdowns. Joel 00:34:37.350 - 00:34:43.030 Yeah, just give yourself force lockdowns. Put mandates on yourself. Yerasimos 00:34:43.750 - 00:34:45.670 Yeah, it's really funny. Joel 00:34:45.670 - 00:35:02.870 Yeah. My. My eldest daughter's a reflector, and my wife's a manifesto. My other two daughters are MJ's. But, like, with the reflectors, like, there's definitely, like, some sentiments out there that reflectors are just, like, frail and passive and all the rest of it, but she's not that at all, you know? Like, she. She's a powerhouse in her own way, for sure. Yerasimos 00:35:04.550 - 00:35:04.950 And even. Amy 00:35:05.510 - 00:35:42.850 Even the way that, you know, reflectors are talked about being so fluid and transient and needing, you know, I actually. I have two reflector besties, and I watch both of them. I'm like, you're actually really solid, like, They. I feel like that Teflon coding, the sampling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't feel like they're frail or sensitive at all. But I think it's helpful to watch for them when they start to feel stale, stagnant in environments that maybe that's not the most supportive space for them, but they can be real powerhouses. Reflectors. Joel 00:35:43.010 - 00:35:53.570 Yeah. The interesting to watch is the four others of us are all emotional. So seeing how she gets impacted and is amplified by everyone else in the house's emotions, that's sometimes interesting to navigate. Yerasimos 00:35:56.140 - 00:36:09.020 Amy. So when you work with someone. Okay, that someone comes to you to have a human design reading, do you have a certain process? Do you. Does it depend on the person's chart and what they're looking for? Like, how would you go about working with someone? In a reading? Amy 00:36:09.820 - 00:38:28.740 Yeah, in a reading. I always have sort of questions that I get people to answer, like before coming in, so that I. So I just, I. To people now. Like, I used to offer sort of specific readings for specific things. And I've. I just realized over the years what works best for me is. This is the session. Tell me what you're wanting to get out of this. Because some people come and they just want to learn more about how to create more opportunity or how to get unstuck. That seems to be a big thing. I seem to attract a lot of people in transition and particularly people going through Pluto transits in their astrology. So usually what I'm doing is also, even if it's not a full transit forecast, even if we're just looking at someone's design, I'll still look at their transits so that we can speak about the current season they might be in. And I find that that can actually be often the most helpful thing. Just sort of affirming, like, yeah, you're kind of in a winter or yeah, this has probably been really shit, like, and. And it's not going to last forever, you know, and you're coming out the other side of it now. And here's what I see the lessons having been in your chart or the way you can kind of hopefully work with that. Yeah, that energy in a more helpful way. So, yeah, they tend to be. But yeah, I attract a lot of people in transition, like going from one thing to the other. So between jobs, between works or something feels like it's not working anymore. And a lot of that, the longer term work I do with people is a lot of that, like continuing to. It's really a portal for deconditioning. I see it as, and continuing. Continuing to sort of just illuminate all the ways that not self is distorting their decisions or distorting the process keeping them stuck. You know, that's really how. Because I work with a lot of like executives and business owners and people who aren't in this world of human design and astrology. And so that's how I always describe the not self. It's like these are the patterns keeping you stuck. This is the distraction, right. This is distracting you from what you're actually meant to be doing. And so, yeah, that's what a lot of it is. How do we stop distracting ourselves? Yerasimos 00:38:29.460 - 00:38:42.730 Yeah. The other question I have, because it's been brought up, I think, many times, like, how does a person differentiate between sacral response or splenic response and condition, like traumatic response, you know? Amy 00:38:43.690 - 00:39:50.000 Yeah. So the way I describe, say, splenic awareness is there's a calmness to it. So even though it's connected to like fear and survival, it's not manic. And so usually when it's like a kind of manic, chaotic, activated, charged fear, it's often. Usually like you're picking up on someone else's stuff is the way I try to describe it. But they are quite different, you know, I think the sacral is more of a felt experience is what I. I don't experience that as a projector, but from what clients have said to me, like, a lot of people actually feel the sacral response. The sacral response also comes with energy to do. So if something's a yes. And, you know, for you guys, it's a bit different being emotional. So it's like, yes, over time, if there's energy available to do, then that's going to be the biggest indicator also for sacral response. It's the sounds, it's the feeling, you know? Do you guys make sacral noises? Do you notice yourselves? Yerasimos 00:39:50.960 - 00:39:54.240 I feel like a lot of times I'm like grunting or making noise. Amy 00:39:54.240 - 00:39:57.480 Yeah, yeah. It's so funny. Yerasimos 00:39:57.480 - 00:40:15.340 Like my wife might present something to me or. And I'm like. I just like, wave my hand and I just like, nah, just. I just know it's not for me. Granted, of course I'm an emotional authority, but like, not with every decision in my life isn't going to be like, oh, I'll wait 24 hours to let you know what to have for dinner tonight. You know what I mean? Amy 00:40:16.140 - 00:41:36.540 Totally, totally. It's so funny, my female clients, because they're so. The grunting and the Sacral noises are so conditioned out of sacral beings. Like it's like that's not polite. We don't do that. Yeah, it's so funny. My female clients will be like, I actually am grunting. You know, I've had people say like literally say I'm grunting. It's like, yeah, let it out, you know, pay attention to that. So whereas this, you know, splenic awareness is going to be softer, you know, splenic awareness doesn't come with the same sacral generative type energy. So it's very nuanced. I think for each person. It's just about attuning to what does this actually feel like for me in my body. And that's why I tend to focus on the not self though. Like if you can keep bringing awareness and attention to the not to the not self and catching, you know, all the ways, you know. Because the not self can really distort the decision making process. It can make your response hard, you know, hard to hear, hard to feel, you know. So if we're still illuminating that and bringing awareness to that, it actually makes it easier to sense when it is your authority. But I think it's something you slowly as well gather evidence for over time of this, this is what it feels like for me. This is, you know, and I have evidence for this working even when it didn't make sense. Yerasimos 00:41:37.660 - 00:42:04.430 Yeah. And the thing too I, I think about with like a three line, you know, that's constantly in this refinement discovery process. It's like that yes may not lead them to something that's like all roses and butterflies. That yes may just lead them to the next stage of that refinement process. So it's like to have that ability to self reflect like oh yeah, that was a correct decision for me. Even though it led to, let's say crashing and burning. Because who am I after the crashing and the burn, you know what I mean? Amy 00:42:04.750 - 00:42:28.360 Yeah, totally. It'll never be perfect. Right. But they won't keep making the same mistake over and over as well. They'll make it, they'll learn, they'll transmute it and they'll have wisdom to then share from that. Yeah, I, I'm third line. Even though I'm a 5:1, I've eight third line planets in my chart. So I actually a lot of the time feel like I'm a third line and that I'm just you know, doing that. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Joel 00:42:30.600 - 00:43:15.750 Yeah. Have you found, I guess since more so living Attuned to your design? Because I guess there's like, it's a question in the back of everyone's mind, like, if I let go and decondition from all these things that have led to like, prosperity, you know, in the way that I've been doing them, am I still going to be able to attain that or access that now by trying to like, decondition and live more attuned to who I am? And so how, how is your relationship? So I guess, quote, unquote, prosperity shifted or evolved since coming more so into your design. Like, were there, obviously there were fears around, you know, stop trying to prove my worth, stop trying to overwork, etc. Etc. So how have you come into prosperity through living your design more so. And is that something that has felt more coherent to you now? Amy 00:43:17.830 - 00:44:25.650 Yeah, definitely. And I would say the prosperity I experienced before human design, it never felt like that. It felt like it was achieved through struggle. I actually have the channel of struggle though too. So it's like when I'm not self, I'll struggle for all the wrong things. But it felt so even, you know, money, different things like that, it always felt difficult and it felt hard. Whereas the experience for me since really anchoring into my design and living my design, I feel like I still work hard. Like, I feel, you know, because my ethos is coherence over hustle. And I feel like people misunderstand that a lot of the time. Like, I'm definitely not the. Like, you do nothing and you just attract. You know, I've just, I have desire, motivation. Like, I can be very like, you know, this is what we're. What I'm doing, this is what I'm making happen. But there is a sense of flow. And for me, it's the difference between pushing a boulder up a hill, which can still be satisfying. You know, you get there and you're like, fuck, yeah. You know, can still be satisfying in lots of ways, but difficult versus pushing. Joel 00:44:25.650 - 00:44:26.930 The right boulder up the hill. Amy 00:44:27.570 - 00:45:49.870 Yeah, well, for me, you know, because I'm a projector, success for projectors is a little bit different. Like projectors, we tend to overcomplicate things. And actually for projectors, the process should be much more easeful. When we, when we finally let go of all the mental conditioning that's keeping us stuck trying to generate and trying to manifest, it's like, actually it is like a slipstream. It should be. So that. That has been more of the experience for me and. But it's been a process of precision too. Like really learning what do I actually want to focus my energy on. And the more precise I am with this is what I do. You know, it's these three things that I really do in my business. It's like, then the success. Everything just feels like it's so much more in flow for me personally. So. And you know, living my design has opened me up personally to definitely newer levels of prosperity. And I would say even, you know, not just in like money and things like that, but even in relationships. Like my relationships now are so much better than they ever were. Like even not just not romantic, but just even like that is, but also friendships, relationships with my family, my parents, my siblings, like all of that area, those areas of life are just so much richer for me now. Joel 00:45:50.830 - 00:45:51.230 Yeah. Amy 00:45:51.230 - 00:45:53.310 So it's. For me, it's prosperity in so many. Joel 00:45:53.550 - 00:45:54.030 Yeah. Amy 00:45:54.270 - 00:45:55.230 So many ways. Joel 00:45:55.390 - 00:46:12.860 Yeah. It's because, you know, from my perspective, those relationships are now being, you know, formed and deepened based on the foundation of truth, based on the foundation of self knowledge, self trust, self acceptance. And of course, like that's the, that's what we need for any form of prosperity is to come from that, that level of strength. Amy 00:46:13.980 - 00:46:23.740 Yeah, totally and complete, like radical acceptance of the other, you know, and not expecting people to be like me when they're not. Yerasimos 00:46:24.060 - 00:47:09.150 You know, that's the thing I love about human design is just like I don't need to kind of force someone into my world to do, say, act and think the way I do. It's like, hey, I'm going to be myself to the best of my ability and I'm going to allow you to be yourself the best of your ability. And yeah, I agree with you 100. My relationship, since I've, you know, gotten to know human design and you know, explored it within myself to just become richer and fuller and, and more grounded. And I mean, no drama really. Like, I don't really have drama in my life, you know, like in my primary partnership with my wife and even with my friends. I mean, Joel gives me sometimes, but it's okay. Hit, hit. Joel 00:47:09.390 - 00:47:37.130 But that's, that's the thing. Like there's no blankets ideal. You know, it's like the ideal is different for each person. Like so often we can find a self help book. We can, you know, see how Hormozi achieves success or how anyone else achieves success. Like they can build completely differently, you know, so trying to force yourself down a pathway or into a philosophy that maybe isn't necessarily attuned to how you're built can be Extremely frustrating, too, you know? Amy 00:47:38.250 - 00:47:38.610 Yeah. Yerasimos 00:47:38.610 - 00:47:56.010 I mean, sure, you can be inspired by others, but you have to filter it through the lens of, like, reality of who you are and the kind of person you are and what, you know, your authority is saying and what you're drawn to, as opposed to. Let me just judge myself because I didn't make a hundred million dollars over in one day, you know? Joel 00:47:56.570 - 00:47:57.050 Yeah. Amy 00:47:58.650 - 00:48:20.660 Yeah. For me, I feel like it's given me so much more peace and even just simplicity in my life, you know, I'm not wasting my. Even just the amount of mental space we waste thinking about those things, ruminating on those things. Why am I not doing that? Why haven't I created it that way? You know, should I do that? It's like, just don't think about those things anymore. Yerasimos 00:48:20.980 - 00:49:06.050 Yeah. Especially in relationship, like, with my wife, like, she doesn't want to be around a frustrated generator, so she's not going to force me to do something that I don't want to do. And, like, so she's like, she trusts and honors, like, the things that I'm into and that I'm lit up by and excited by, as opposed to forcing me to do something that she wants to do. It's like, yeah, we have this relationship where we're together and we do things together, and at the same time, like, she's in her little world doing her thing, I'm in my little world doing my thing. And, you know, it's definitely beneficial because. Yeah. Like, which I'm gonna. She's gonna guilt me and emotionally manipulate. Manipulate me into going to some event that I don't want to be at, and then I'm going to be there the whole time, you know? This sucks. I don't want to be here. Who wants to be around a frustrated generator? I don't. Joel 00:49:07.650 - 00:49:10.610 Yeah, sorry. Go. Amy 00:49:10.850 - 00:49:15.330 Just like, no one wants to be around a bit of projector either. Right. Like, that's the worst. Like. Joel 00:49:16.450 - 00:49:17.810 Or an angry manifesto. Amy 00:49:18.290 - 00:49:20.370 Yeah, no, that's probably the. Actually. Yerasimos 00:49:21.890 - 00:49:30.860 I mean, I. I had two manifesto parents. Both my mom. My mom and dad are both manifesters. So that was interesting, but also great at the same time. Amy 00:49:31.980 - 00:50:02.100 I love manifestos. I have a few manifestos in my real life, and they're actually. When they're in their true self, they're so. The peace, the piece that they emanate, it's just so lovely to be around. And I think they can be a real thing for manifesto women with the closed and repelling aura, you know, when they learn about that, it's like, what does that mean? Like, am I cold? It's like manifesto women especially can be so warm and so inviting and it's so special when they let you into their aura. It's like, thank you. It's like the sun's shining on you. It's so lovely and so beautiful. Joel 00:50:02.660 - 00:50:22.020 Oh absolutely. And it's like, but it's like that doesn't. There should be no pressure to be that all the time for a manifesto, especially in like modern day like polarity teachings. Like the woman just needs to be constantly soft, constantly flow, constantly overtly feminine, you know, like that doesn't necessarily fit 100 of the time for a manifesto woman. That's not supposed to. Yerasimos 00:50:22.740 - 00:50:23.140 No. Amy 00:50:23.300 - 00:50:28.900 Does it flow better for you when your partner, when she's initiating, like do you find that everything just kind of works out? Joel 00:50:29.200 - 00:50:51.600 Oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely. You know, and that's the other thing like with the manifested like, and the same goes for any relationship. Like we can't read each other's minds. But particularly for the manifest, like for her to inform like where she's at, what she wants, what she expects, what need. Like, it's just so much easier for me to then to respond and for our day to be in flow when I know, you know, where she's at and what she wants to, to have peace today. Amy 00:50:52.320 - 00:50:54.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Beautiful. Yerasimos 00:50:54.810 - 00:51:58.120 I, I, when I first learned about manifesters and then I went home to New Jersey at the time and experienced my mom after having this information, it all made sense. Like, it just made sense. I was able to just like accept her more and realize like she's just always informing, always. I mean, if I were to call her, she, she'd pick up the phone and just start informing about what her day was, what's going on, what she's going to do later, you know, when she's going to put food on the stove. What like, it's just she just naturally like is herself and that in that way. I don't know if it's because she was thrust into like so that behavior to some degree because she, her mother was like shot and killed in the mountains of Greece when my mom was 6 years old and she was the eldest of her siblings. So she had to become like, like mom in some sense, you know. And so it's just like this leadership and this, this initiation kind of quality was just kind of there and innately. But then like her life circumstance, you know, allowed it to really shine in a sense, if that makes sense to you. Amy 00:51:58.920 - 00:52:07.560 Totally. That's really beautiful. That she is so like empowered in that, in her voice and is using that in a healthy way. Because a lot of manifestos have conditioning that shuts that down. Yerasimos 00:52:07.800 - 00:52:08.440 Oh yeah. Amy 00:52:08.520 - 00:52:10.760 They grow up with parents who try to control them. Yerasimos 00:52:11.800 - 00:52:19.100 You know, my mom has nine gates coming off of her throat. I've never, I've never seen that in a chart. Nine gates. Amy 00:52:19.570 - 00:52:21.170 Wow, that's. Yerasimos 00:52:21.170 - 00:52:37.970 Yeah. And she was the person like even growing up in like our community or in church group or whatever, like when she would talk, everyone would just be, they just like turn their head. Like she just has that, you know, it's softened a little bit. She's 82 now, but she was, she's fierce in that way. Like, you didn't, you didn't mess with my mom, you know. Joel 00:52:39.330 - 00:52:50.600 Yeah, well, I mean, very often, like, I've noticed that, you know, manifesters are generally raised to be the biggest people pleasers in some sense. Why do you think that is? If you have any perspective on that? Amy 00:52:51.160 - 00:54:55.710 Yeah, so what. Because of the, the throat center is one of those centers we like, we really feel and notice, like, like you said, when a manifesto enters the room, when a manifester speaks, everyone actually really feels that because all energy in the chart's trying to get to the throat. Because that's where we, in human design, we manifest, we take. That's where action happens from. And so usually what happens or what can happen often is that a manifesto child is born. And through no fault of theirs, definitely, and not, you know, no fault of the parents or teachers or anything, but there can be this sort of weird mechanical thing that happens where people feel that throat energy and the impulse is control, dominate, keep this safe. You know, this is, whoa. Like, it's like they feel the power of the manifesto. And so their default is, I need to lock this down. And so what happens is a lot of manifesters then learn, oh, if I speak up, mom says no. If I speak up, someone interferes. If I tell people, if I inform and tell people what I'm going to do or if I ask permission, it's a no, you know, so they need a lot of resistance in childhood usually if, you know, especially if people aren't aware. And then, so, yeah, manifesters can be so shut down in the throat and they can really learn from a young age to be secretive and to keep what they're doing under wraps, you know, and so they'll, they'll still be initiating, but they won't be informing and telling anyone. And then what happens in, when they're adults is they actually then meet more resistance. So it's this whole unlearning of like, oh, hang on, if I do inform, it reduces resistance. But they're patterning through childhood is usually the opposite happens. Yeah, yeah, because they're naturally going to take kind of take charge. You know, can you imagine in a classroom, like with a teacher, you know, especially like our parents, generations, like in the 60s, in the 70s, like, you know, they, they would have felt like, oh, this is a big energy and I need to control this, this person. So, yeah, conditioning can be really deep. Joel 00:54:55.950 - 00:55:13.980 Yeah, makes sense. How has your relationship with like the divinity or like synchronicities shifted since living more attuned to one's design? Like, do you, do you sense synchronicities are more abundant in that sense? Amy 00:55:15.420 - 00:56:58.270 Yeah, more abundant. And I'm not trying to force it as well. You know, I often say, like, I don't feel like I even like, actively manifest anymore. Like, you know, like 10, 10 years ago, I was very much in the. Like, I'm manifesting, I'm journaling, I'm doing these big New moon rituals where, you know, I'm doing all sorts of things. I'm smoke cleansing myself and I'm, you know, doing all of these things to create what I feel like I need. And I feel like my experience now of synchronicity and flow and the divine is that it just happens the more I live as myself and the more I move as myself. I feel like I've really tapped into though, that state of passenger consciousness that they talk about in human design, which is really the flow state that, that you achieve once you're living strategy and authority. So now, like, just even in my day to day, like the way I manifest is follow my strategy and authority and I'm just constantly creating and then, yeah, there's beautiful synchronicities that happen. There's also for me, a lot of wisdom in the things that I find myself not doing too, you know, like, like now I sort of. I look at everything as being more a clue from my body, you know, And I know if I'm in that state of passenger consciousness where the mind is just witnessing if there's something that I'm not doing, more often than not it ends up being there's a reason for it and it's actually the intuition and the intelligence of my body being like, actually, no, don't do that, that thing. So, yeah, I don't know if that answers you, but I feel like my connection to the divine feels just more effortlessness. Like effortless now. Yerasimos 00:56:59.230 - 00:57:01.950 Yeah, that's a good, that's a good word, you know? Amy 00:57:01.950 - 00:57:08.670 Yeah, yeah. It's just, it's there and it's present and I just get to be me every day and then I'm tapped into that. Joel 00:57:10.430 - 00:57:11.390 Yeah, yeah. Yerasimos 00:57:11.390 - 00:59:48.650 It's just feeling to just be you. Right. Such a good feeling to, to not live in this state of constantly self criticism or, or self censorship or over analyzing every gesture, every word out of your mouth. To just really be in that state of like you're just, you're just, you're flowing through life. I know everyone uses that word flow, but just you're flowing through life doesn't mean everything's always going to be perfect and amazing. But I just feel like, you know, the, the signature is present so much more, you know? Yeah, that's what, that's what I found for sure. There's this like. For me, I just feel like this underlying contentment and satisfaction in my life, in my relationships in, and how I'm just spending my day to day and just more blessings keep coming into your life and you're not trying to do it because all you can do is do the best you can to be you. And then the appropriate circumstances come in front of you and then you're responding appropriately. And then what comes from that? Like what comes from correct decision making? I mean, like how many decisions do we make in a day? And if we have a technology or the ability to make more correct decisions, what is, where does that lead us? So yes, we have certain things out of our so called control in terms of where we're born, who our parents are, the time period we're born into. But like once we get to a certain place or even a certain age, it's like we have this ability to choose and how are we choosing and then where are those choices taking us? And so that's another reason why I loved human design. Because there's this like unique way of deciding, you know, it's. It's like, oh, there's a thing called authority. Oh, what is that? Like, Like I. And so grateful I learned about being an emotional authority where I can just kind of be like, all right, I'm on a wave. Just even telling myself I'm on a wave and to chill has impacted my life in so many amazing ways. And even before I knew human design, when I'm thinking back to like my teens and my, my 20s maybe. Yeah, it's my late 20s. I like a lot of the major decisions that happen in my life were through honoring strategy and authority. Like, not forcing, waiting, responding, but then not jumping into something right away and going, I feel like I need to take a little time and feel into it. And then I'm like, okay, cool, this is the path I'm going to take. And then where. Where does that. Where has that led me? And so, yeah, it's. It's. It's been a fun experiment so far. I'm looking forward to seeing how it continues. Amy 00:59:49.770 - 00:59:53.130 That's really beautiful. So you had the evidence for that working for you? Yerasimos 00:59:53.940 - 01:01:24.710 Yeah, well, even. Even, like, you know, as I got into more personal development or years ago when I started coaching or doing bodywork sessions, and like, you know, people go through courses or they pick up a book and they're like, you need to do life this way. This is how you need to do your business. And you should create a website right now. And I'm like, I'm just gonna chill and, like, wait and see what happens. And then, like, I'd get emails or text messages, and then I can go, oh, yeah, I want to work with this person. I don't want to work with this person. And so, yeah, there's definitely evidence for it, and there's more and more evidence for it. And I feel like even Joel and myself, we met, what, four and a half, five years ago, whatever it is now? And, like, how do we even approach this podcast? How do we approach our business and the work that we do? It's like using human design as well to really trust ourselves and to, you know, not make emotional decisions and not respond when we're in a heightened state or a lowered state, or even not to judge ourselves when we're in that. The ebb and the flow, like, maybe we're not feeling super motivated, you know, we don't have the willpower, you know, as two undefined heart centers and not to beat ourselves up and be like, I don't need to fucking prove myself to anyone. Like, things are going to ebb and they're going to flow, and there are different seasons. And again, I'm not saying this to say it's perfect all the time, but you just build greater and greater awareness. And how does that serve me? How does it serve Joel? And I said, how does it serve what we're building together? And so to have the common language and the compassion for self and other. I mean, you can't even put a. I can't even put, like, a price on that. Like, it's. It's priceless. Amy 01:01:26.950 - 01:01:34.070 Do you find now that there's less sort of justifying and explaining your decisions as well. Like, do you feel like. Yerasimos 01:01:36.070 - 01:02:10.660 Yeah, in some ways. I mean, because it's just like, this is my decision, this is what I'm doing today. Or I mean, in a business sense, obviously we're having more conversation and things and we're bouncing things off of one another, but. And maybe we kind of check one another like, hey, let's just, let's wait, let's just not. Let's wait, let's not move forward. Let's not send the email out yet. Let's not make an announcement to our community, like, because, you know, we two generators and we can get really excited and kind of feed off one another, but we also have to check ourselves and each other at times. Like, like, let's come back to this tomorrow. Joel 01:02:10.980 - 01:02:51.160 Yeah, I have like a lot of creative energy and like when like I get like an idea or a burst and like the high of my wave is like super strong. Like this is like God speaking to me right now kind of thing. Like in the past before really understanding my emotional wave and my human design, it's like the impulse want to grasp this idea and act on this idea like immediately and execute on it. Almost as if it's this scarcity relationship with it. Like if I don't take advantage of it right now, it's going to go away, it's going to disappear, you know. But being more discerning on what ideas are actually worth executing on has been so massively beneficial to me over my time with human design, for sure. Amy 01:02:52.600 - 01:02:58.800 Do you sometimes just run with it a little bit when you're in the high of the wave? Like even just like as a way of moving the creative energy, but. Joel 01:02:58.800 - 01:03:19.640 Oh, definitely, definitely. But it's, it's when like I can run with it as long as possible, when it's just me, if it's less consequential, but if it involves engaging someone else or bringing someone and impacting consequential things. And I'm probably not going to do that, you know, but I'll, I'll. I'll exhaust that if it feels right in the moment. Just within, you know, my context. Amy 01:03:21.720 - 01:03:48.170 Yeah. Something I find for emotional, particularly generators and many gens is there can be something in the. Like even if it's not a definite yes, the starting to bring some structure to it or the starting to play with it, which then sort of still informs the wave process. So it's like it's such a dance in like we're not fully committed, we're kind of trying it and we're seeing how we go with it, but then also not wanting to waste days of energy on something or that's not gonna go ahead. Joel 01:03:48.250 - 01:03:48.650 Yeah. Yerasimos 01:03:48.650 - 01:03:48.970 And. Joel 01:03:48.970 - 01:04:13.480 But when there's real lit upness there, it's. It's never a waste for me, really. You know, like, even, like, as a musician, like, I'm a hip hop artist and a songwriter as well. Like, if I'm lit up about a track or an idea or a verse or whatever, it might be, like, it feels good just to be in that process. Even if I listen to it the next day and I'm like, nah, this ain't it, you know? Yeah, there's always. It's always a worthwhile activity for me personally. Yerasimos 01:04:13.480 - 01:05:04.320 Yeah, yeah, but that, but that's honoring the authority because you're doing the thing. Like, for instance, how many times have, like, I taken out my notes on my phone and, like, wrote a response to someone, like, someone coming into my DMs and like, going off on me because our podcast episode was on some controversial subject. And then like, you know, I might get on, be on a little bit of a wave, but I don't respond right away. I take out my notes and I get that energy moving. I get it out, I put it away. I come back the next day and I go, oh, yeah, I'm going to delete 70% of that and reword the 30%, you know, or just not send anything at all. And so I feel like you kind of have to go through the process, but it's like the finality of it, like, it's usual. Announcing, I created a new track today. Meanwhile, like, on the day that you did it, as opposed to, okay, let me go through my process, let me be creative, let me generate. But doesn't mean I'm gonna then, like, release it to the world. Amy 01:05:04.880 - 01:05:05.360 Yeah. Yerasimos 01:05:07.200 - 01:05:09.280 Yeah, yeah. Amy 01:05:09.280 - 01:05:09.920 Beautiful. Yerasimos 01:05:10.480 - 01:05:27.050 What. How do you go about navigating? You touched on it earlier, but your partner is an emotional authority and you're a spleenic authority. So how do you navigate that in relationship when making decisions or being out and about? Like, what does that look like? Amy 01:05:28.560 - 01:05:41.120 I think it helps that I'm. He's very aware of human design too. It was one of the sweetest things when we met is that he started researching human design, but not his design. He was researching my design. And, like, that's an act of love. Joel 01:05:41.120 - 01:05:46.320 That's a massive love, you know, to choose to know someone in that capacity. Sorry, go on. Amy 01:05:46.720 - 01:07:16.800 It was so nice. And he'd be Telling me things. Yeah. About me being a 5:1 and me being a projector and meetings like. So he's done his own little journey, learning about my design. For me, I guess the experience I have is me being really aware of wanting to sort of encourage and empower him to wait and make decision. Like not rushing decisions, letting him have enough time to go through his wave. So even at the moment where just sort of navigating, like are we going to travel through November, December, where are we going to go? We've got some time where we can be a bit nomadic. And even though I have kind of a feeling of where we might end up going, I'm actually just sort of leaving it. Like he's going through his process with it. Right. And collecting the data. And so I'm just very aware of him needing to go through a considered and deliberate decision making process. And we usually end up at the same place just taking a different, different sort of route. He's really good at listening to me. I think if I. And like. Oh, like. So an example yesterday we went for a walk and I was like after the walk I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm going to walk down that way again. There's. There was just some groups of people there and I was like, I felt really anxious while I was there and I was really amplifying someone's stuff. And I know it was someone's stuff because I'd come back and I feel good. I feel grounded. I'm like, there was just something off for me. And so. And that is kind of how that splenic awareness works. Oftentimes it's like you get the no. Joel 01:07:17.290 - 01:07:17.610 Yeah. Amy 01:07:18.170 - 01:08:18.760 Or for me it's like if it feels a bit charged, like what am I picking up on in the field? So he's really good at listening to me with stuff like that. If I'm like, something doesn't feel right or this isn't really what, you know, I'm not getting a strong yes for this. Yes. I think it's really just through awareness of the other. You know, Even for me, like we've had conversations, you know, it's so nice to sleep in bed together, you know. But as a projector, like I definitely still need some nights on my own in my own aura every now and again. I know RA in human design was very like, you should sleep alone all the time. Which a lot of people do. And it works in this season. That's not what I want to do. But I make sure I incorporate either Some nights or some naps when just he's a 2 4, 2. So we're very good at giving each other like he's a hermit. So it's like we're very. And I'm first line body. So it's like giving each other the space and the time alone. I think we're both very supportive of that. Yerasimos 01:08:20.200 - 01:08:20.560 Yeah. Amy 01:08:20.560 - 01:08:20.920 Yeah. Yerasimos 01:08:20.920 - 01:08:28.200 My wife and I have separate bedrooms. Yeah. But we go to bed together. Like we're together, we spend time together and then I get up and go to my room. Amy 01:08:28.600 - 01:08:29.080 Yeah. Yerasimos 01:08:29.080 - 01:08:37.569 You know, because we just, we just sleep better. You know, we sleep better that way, but we still need the connection and the contact. It's not like. Yeah. So. Joel 01:08:37.569 - 01:09:09.469 Yeah. Hey, I want to ask you because this is kind of like a common frustration that's been expressed to me by manifesting generators that I know. And it's like the frustration that comes from being interested in so many things and feeling the urge to start so many things, have so many creative endeavors, but like not knowing which ones I should actually be following through on on like a long term basis. You know, it's kind of like this, this idea of like just juggling all these pots and feeling like you're moving nowhere, so to speak. So do you have any advice for MJ's in that capacity? Amy 01:09:10.509 - 01:10:59.030 Yeah, sometimes I feel managers, they can make things difficult for themselves because they sometimes something can be good and right for them, you know, and I actually think a bit of a not self distraction for them can be not giving something like the devotion and the love that really sort of wants and requires. I think a big thing for them though is recognizing like I don't have to monetize every single interest that I have or every single hobby. I don't have to make every. Yeah. Like I can enjoy these things and because what happens to them, it's like they're like, it's this ecosystem, right. So like, you know, if, if they have a big response to golfing, even though that might not have anything to do with their coaching business, it's like giving the space for that each week actually has a flow on effect because they're there in response but then more satisfied but then better in their coaching business as well. So I like to describe it to them as I look at it like it's this flower. You're a flower, your business is a flower. You've got all these different petals, right. And you're kind of nourishing all of them. It's this ecosystem. Everything helps. Everything. But also are you self Sabotaging by not giving the space, giving and even like the. Yeah, I think devotion, like the devotion to like your. What your craft is, what your mastery is. Right. What your thing is, what are you building and what are you uplifting. So sometimes it's a matter for them of finding ways for them to innovate within that container too. Because that's often that I want to start something new, energy I want to start, you know, that that's what the impulse is. And it's like sometimes you can just be doing that within the container of that existing business as well. So it doesn't always have to be we're starting from scratch. Joel 01:10:59.110 - 01:11:08.390 You can be wearing like many different hats within the same business or the same craft or the same industry without having to have the hats outside of that, you know, and it makes much more sense that way. Amy 01:11:09.350 - 01:13:02.980 Yeah. And yeah, I, I think showing up to like that business and what you've created with like, yeah, this is what I'm really wanting to uplift and build. I mean. And then also I think it is a matter of saying self acceptance though, in that they're not all designed to finish everything they start. Like you were talking about before Joel with like your music, it's like sometimes they'll start things and they might shift, but there's still something in that, you know, like there's still something in that creative process. They're learning something even though they might not use it. Also, always trialing things is big for them. Like before you commit to it, just give yourself space to trial it and see dip your toes in. Does it feel good? Does this have longevity? Do I really want to be doing this? And then, you know, maybe it is a matter of bringing in someone to help at some point too. Right? Like that you don't have to. I think that's what human design shows really beautifully. It's the. That we're not here to do everything and be everything on our own as well. So it could be that there are really aligned collaborators or co creators who come in and kind of help you bring that thing if it's meant to be brought to life in that way. But yeah, where the, it's, it's a dance for managing because it's like on one hand they are meant to move really quickly and they are meant to skip steps and they are meant to create efficiencies. And then also it can become a bit chaotic and they skip important steps and they jump from thing to thing to thing too. So it's, it's, it's finding the dance. If they are in their response, though, you know, usually if they're doing that, it's because it's not self, you know, and it's because they're. Maybe they're not really, like, responding. Maybe they're doing things again. It's the motivation behind it. It's coming from a place of I need to prove. It's coming from the undefined route. I need to rush, you know, so it could actually be it's their not self kind of hijacking them. And then they're using that beautiful motor to throw energy that they have to take action. They're using that then in a really distorted way. Joel 01:13:03.780 - 01:13:38.810 Yeah. No sound advice. So this is obviously going to be theoretical, but on, like, a deep soul level, how do you perceive human design? Like, is. Would you say human design is like the design of the soul? Or is it like the design of, like, the equipment, the vessel or the machinery or the personality that we needed in this life to execute on the deeper gifts and the deeper essence of who we are? Like, what aspect of self is colored by human design, in your opinion? Amy 01:13:40.330 - 01:15:47.070 I love this. To me, you know, I definitely believe we come here with the design that we need. You know, we come here with the design that's going to equip us for, you know, the purpose that, you know, for navigating the lessons, the soul lessons that we've come here to learn. You know, I do. I really believe we come here to kind of go to school, and it's a process of evolution. And so I think we have the perfect design for that. I guess the way the chart is in human design is that half the chart is your consciousness and your personality that comes from out there, from the cosmos. And then the other half of the chart is your form and your design that they say comes from the earth. And that's the part of you that has the reincarnations here on earth. So this is where I guess the deeper teachings in human design is like reincarnation. It's your design. You know, they call it your design crystal, personality crystal. Right. But the design crystal, it's not a physical crystal. It's really just like a part of your energy, a part. Like, it's almost like we're two parts of a soul that's held together in unification in the quantum. Yeah. So that we can experience this 3D world, but that's the part that keeps reincarnating. And so we can have different incarnations with the design crystal and then different personality crystals. So. But Yeah. I believe we have the perfect design crystals for what we need to do in this life. And I think the nodes, like, for everyone, like your lunar nodes, are really interesting to explore. They are a big. There's a big emphasis on them in human design and in evolutionary astrology in that that's the trajectory. Right. We haven't come here just to stay stuck and stagnant. We come in here and there's a very specific path that we're kind of here to follow and evolve through. But I believe in reincarnation and all those things. So when I hear that, I'm just like, yep. That just makes sense to me. Resonates for me. Joel 01:15:48.510 - 01:15:48.990 Yeah. Yerasimos 01:15:49.790 - 01:15:51.230 Oh, Joel, you can respond. Joel 01:15:51.230 - 01:16:23.700 Yeah. I was going to, like, add to it. Yeah. For me, when I really feel into it, I feel like, yeah, human design is kind of like. Like you would, like you said, like more so, like the design of the vessel or the equipment that I needed to execute. But I don't feel like it's like this permanent texture of the essence of my soul, which I feel like is more so timeless. And perhaps in future reincarnations, I would choose different designs for kind of different missions. Yeah. Amy 01:16:24.260 - 01:16:33.220 Yeah, totally, totally. And we've all probably had incarnations as different types, right? You've probably had a life as a manifesto or as a reflector, right? Joel 01:16:33.460 - 01:16:33.940 Yeah. Yerasimos 01:16:35.460 - 01:17:15.130 That's cool. I want to go on to this subject and hear what you have to say. I feel like after people get into human design a little bit, they start looking into maybe some of the more. I don't want to say esoteric, but getting to environment and digestion. So how do you work with those. With people in terms of environment and even, like, you're a cold thirst or, you know, you're supposed to just eat in sunlight. Like, have you seen, like, deep transformations with people that follow, like, their digestion according to human design? I know there are different people in human design that maybe don't put as much value into that as others. And so I'm curious your thoughts. Amy 01:17:18.410 - 01:20:33.310 So I. Those deeper layering layers. My understanding is that that didn't come through with the initial download of human design, too. They were kind of developed over time by ra, so I always try to keep that in mind. I do talk about this with clients every now and again. I don't put a ton of emphasis on it. I put most emphasis on the process of deconditioning, getting unstuck, learning how you're distracting yourself. I think I've seen it be helpful. It's Been helpful for me. You know, I think the understanding of cognition can be helpful. I always though with determination because the way people nourish themselves, you know, people can have a lot of trauma around that. You know, people. There's a lot of like, even like with women as well. Like, I'm always very conscious, even like eating disorders and things like that, you know, and telling someone no, only eat at night and just sip liquids during the day, you know. So I'm always very mindful. I tell people to take it with a grain of salt and to just approach it as an experiment and see if it's helpful and if it feels useful and if it makes life better. You know, I think that's the whole thing with human design in general. If it's not making your life better, if it's not enriching your life and if it's not bringing more flow, then maybe it's not the right system for you or it's not the right system for right now, you know. And so I think that with determination because I have watched people be very like. I think it's easy for people to make that a mental process to. Rather than. I'm just living it. I'm just living my design like that should be. Ideally with human design, that's the point. You learn about it so you can forget it and you can just live your life and you're not mentally clocking. Oh, I do this because of that in my chart. And birth times aren't always accurate too. And that stuff really depends on an accurate birth time. And a lot of people don't. They have estimates. So if you don't know your exact birth time, I would experiment with it. I think the environment stuff can be helpful. Like there's really kind of like practical things you can do if you're. If it feels like the right environment for you. It's like I'm valleys. And that feels. That feels really true for me. Me too. Really true for me. Like, just the capacity that my body has for being in densely populated areas like that I can go plug in. Feels really nice. But I don't enjoy living in really busy cities. But I love going to like, you know, London. Like I love plugging into the city and the frequency of it for a season. So yeah, I think with all the environments, they're really just like practical things you can start implementing and playing with and the same with determination, but I don't know. So for me I'm nervous touch determination, which is more situational. And so the teaching in human Design is. It's less about the ingredients, it's about the situation. But I'm also a type 1 diabetic, so it's like actually it is about the ingredients and for me in a lot of ways and that I can't just be eating shitloads of sugar and like all sorts of things. So yeah, I probably take like, I try to approach it like middle ground, like. Yeah. What's your experience with it being it's. Yerasimos 01:20:33.310 - 01:20:56.050 The same exact as you. I don't put a huge focus on it. I feel like I explain it in a similar way that you just did. Like, sure, have some fun with it. Oh, you found something on a website. Experiment with it. But I mean, I'm cold thirst. And I. I've lately been experimenting with it more and having like kind of more smoothies and things of that nature. And I've been enjoying it. But yeah. And so your touch cognition. Is that what you said? Amy 01:20:56.050 - 01:21:04.330 Or nervous touch determination, which is more being in environments where there's stimulation. Yeah. Around you. But I. And then I'm feelings cognition. Yerasimos 01:21:04.490 - 01:21:05.130 Gotcha. Amy 01:21:05.130 - 01:21:16.560 So I feel feelings cognition. Feels very true for me to like the spidey senses experience being very peripheral in how I take in data and information. Yerasimos 01:21:17.280 - 01:21:19.760 Joel, what's your. I'm. I'm touch cognition. Joe, what are you? Joel 01:21:19.760 - 01:21:41.560 I'm. I'm taste. And it's. It's very resonant for me, you know, in terms like even like taste beyond like physical taste. It's like how my office is designed. Like, is it. Is it suitable to my taste? Like what I wear on a certain day, like matters a lot. Does it suit my taste? You know, it's like more. So style feeds into that as well for me. Yeah. Yerasimos 01:21:41.560 - 01:21:46.680 I just need to touch everything. I love touching everything and feeling everything. And I'm very tactile. Joel 01:21:47.000 - 01:22:04.370 Yeah. Yeah. What are some of the biggest fallacies or distortions that you see in the way human design is practiced on a mainstream level? Biggest misunderstandings perhaps? Amy 01:22:05.330 - 01:22:54.080 Yeah, I think so. I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that it's a rule book, you know, or that like I think the not self will see it as a rule book. The more you actually attune to your design and live your design, like I was saying, the more you actually stop thinking you're not thinking about it because you are just kind of living day to day. So instead of it sort of boxing you in, it should actually be like liberating you from all the boxes you've been put in throughout your life that weren't really correct or coherent for you. That's a big one. I think the other big one I see, though, and is that, you know, living your, you know, living your design will help you make six figure, seven figure months or like everyone can be a millionaire just by living their design. Like that stuff really kind of irks me because. Yerasimos 01:22:54.080 - 01:22:54.680 Nonsense. Amy 01:22:55.240 - 01:23:37.800 No, yeah. And it's just. Yeah, I think, I think there's a lot of, you know, people saw like human design, like, because it does, you know, there is that the connection to prosperity. Right. And there is the connection to your version of flow and your version of abundance. And I do really believe it can help you live your most enriching life. But I don't know. What I witness in people is when people come into human design, it actually, the goals become less about that and it's more about like, for generos, how satisfying can my life be? How content can I be? You know, for projectors, how much space can I have? How much time and freedom can I have? How successful can I feel in the way that I'm guiding and giving attention to other people? Like that's more important than certain dollar amounts. Joel 01:23:38.120 - 01:23:43.880 Yeah, the dollars ultimately come as a byproduct of that. Yeah, yeah. Yerasimos 01:23:44.040 - 01:24:06.380 And. And maybe not everyone's meant to be a six figure, seven figure person, you know, and so. Yeah. But I found that just like going for satisfaction and like healthy satisfaction, not like short term gratification, has led me to a place of feeling. Yeah. Like great or even brought like opportunities or finances into my life. Yeah. Joel 01:24:06.460 - 01:24:15.340 Yeah. Can. Can you speak more into that? I know that's your kind of ethos is coherence over hustle. Is there anything more that you want to kind of say to extrapolate that point? Amy 01:24:16.920 - 01:26:28.910 Yeah, well, yeah, there's so much I could say about this, I guess. So my feeling when I started to say that, you know, I obviously as a projector hustle in general, hustle culture doesn't feel right or isn't sustainable for me, you know, that, that busyness and that just kind of doing it. I actually think, you know, through the work that I've done now with so many people, that hustle mindset actually keeps a lot of people safe, stuck. Because it's this kind of just do more, you know, if you can just do more, if you can just show up more, if you can get more done in your day. It's not like I even saw something the other day that was like the top 1% of people aren't more talented than you. They just do more in their day. And there's no context or conversation about, but how do you work out what the right thing to do is? So there's lots of people running around wasting time and energy and their precious life force and then the years of their life life just running around thinking, if I just do more, I'll create success or I'll do what they've done right? And so to me, that's what coherence over hustle is. It's like, let's just have a deeper conversation. I'm definitely not saying don't do anything. And I'm definitely not saying, like, you just sit back and you just manifest and you don't have to take any action, like, but it's about working out what the coherent action is for you and getting out and working out all the ways you're destructive, Distracting yourself with, you know, I like to say misaligned and ineffective busyness, which is, you know, I work with a lot of people who have that root center undefined. You know, I think because I have a defined route and I feel like I'm quite a healthy route. Like, I really, like you guys would have seen when you email me, you get this responder that's like, I'll get back to you in several days when I can do. Like, I really don't function with any urgency. So I attract a lot of undefined roots who are in. In that. Where they've just been conditioned to like, if I just do, do, do, do, then I'm valuable, then I'm productive, then I'm worthy. And they get stuck in this hamster wheel where it's like, actually, I'm not getting any results. Actually, year after year after year, you know, it's this monotonous experience of things just stay the same, or I don't actually make any progress in my work or in my relationships. And I'm just kind of looping on this. So, yeah, that's what it's about. Coherent action rather than mind. Joel 01:26:32.340 - 01:27:10.400 I mean, the right or as you say, the more coherent decisions over a longer scale are so much more potent and will lead to so much more progression in your life than just like every decision, like every single day. Like, quit pulling all the levers constantly, which is just going to be, you know, completely draining. And yeah, I mean, that's probably the. In today's day and age when it comes to, like, entrepreneurship, that's like the biggest deconditioning factor that there is is like us just comparing ourselves to all these People, how everyone else has done it. And like we said earlier, like, the way someone else got there is not necessarily the way that you're meant to get there and could lead to very disastrous consequences for yourself. Yerasimos 01:27:10.960 - 01:27:55.660 Yeah. And I think many of, many of us can say, because I could just speak for myself, like, I know some people who, you know, they come across on social media. They have all the followers, they have the money, they have the finances. But what's the state of their relationships? What's the state of their relationship with their kids? What's the state of other areas of their life? It's not always, you know, ideal. And so, you know, you have to look at things from a more holistic standpoint. Ultimately. I. I have this one question for you because I'm curious. There are some people out there that have taken upon themselves to change names of profiles and lines. And what are your thoughts on that as opposed to maybe going from like, the, like, source material, what Raw has, you know, was given or what he, you know, developed? Amy 01:27:57.020 - 01:29:20.980 My opinion on this has changed. I've gone back and forth over the years, you know, because I feel like I, you know, I'm very aware that I don't know for sure about anything. All I can really trust is sort of what I perceive and what feels right for me. I've had the biggest impact from the information where the language was retained, you know, personally, that's felt like it's had, you know, so even, like with some of my channels, you know, where people will change, you know, I have judgment and struggle and people will change, struggle. And it's like actually hearing struggle was really helpful for me. Like, Amy, you are creating so much unnecessary struggle in your life. Like, that was hearing that word was, you know, in. In human design, they talk about like, mutation, right, like, where it's like an activation and there's like actually like a cellular shift. Like, that's what I think felt when I really heard that. So for me, it's been helpful, but I also think it's whatever's going to be helpful and useful for the individual. And for some people, the softer language is a really nice entry point for them. You know, a lot of people find human design through the softer language because they're the people who've changed it are a lot of the people who've, you know, become really big in human design. And if that leads someone to where they're meant to go, then I think that's. Yeah. Can be really beautiful. Yeah. What's your experience been. Do you. Do you Guys, like, have you been. I mean, I was material. Yerasimos 01:29:20.980 - 01:30:29.190 I tend to. Yeah, I tend to go with source material, you know, but even with. I mean, I've heard stories that, like, the OG source material is very different. Like, there was only two strategies, you know, like. And so I feel like it's evolved over time. And there's some people who are 100% purists that aren't into, like, anything that didn't come from the voice. So, you know, at the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. Like, are you. Are you taking this information and are you applying it? And is it. Is it improving your life? And are you getting more of the things that you want and less of the things that you don't want? Are you feeling more of your signature? I mean, those are my thoughts. And as for the name things, I mean, I would just more. I look at it more as like another descriptive term. In addition. In addition to like, like, I might say, you know, martyr, heretic, and then maybe throw some other words in there too, and then it might land for someone in a different way. Because also a lot of people just have no clue when they hear martyr, like, what that even means. So can you share your thoughts just on that, like that one, you know, line? Because that seems to be the one that gets people a little bit, you know, I don't know, confused. Amy 01:30:29.830 - 01:31:08.410 Yeah, the third line. Yeah, I. That's one I often will use, like alchemist, mad scientists, like experimental. So, yeah, I'm the same. I try to use other words to give context to it. The third line, I mean, the third line is really. They're about transformation, you know, so it's trial and error. Transformation, martyr is. It almost feels like it doesn't explain to me. It doesn't give enough, Enough context of the richness of the third line. You know, the third line in human design is the most equipped for making money. They talk about too, because of the resiliency, because of the ability to, like, try, fail, get up. Joel 01:31:09.690 - 01:31:12.570 All of entrepreneurship is risk and experimentation, you know. Amy 01:31:13.530 - 01:31:39.940 Yeah. So they have such a gift when it comes to business because of. Because of that. Right. So, you know, I try to give context. This is how I work with the gene keys too, because I actually really love the gene keys interpretations, which to me just add so much richness. But it's like I can't really separate even the gene keys now from the gates. It's like that is just woven into how I explain or talk about certain gates now. Yerasimos 01:31:40.740 - 01:31:41.140 So. Amy 01:31:41.780 - 01:31:52.900 Yeah, but the original, like, download of human design didn't have the energy types. Like, it wasn't even the classifications of the five energy types. That's something that RAO kind of came up with. So there wasn't projectors or generators. Yerasimos 01:31:54.870 - 01:31:58.070 So was it, like to wait and to do? I think were those the only two? I forget. Amy 01:31:58.070 - 01:32:47.570 Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And so, yeah, and there are people who are real purists with that, and then there are people who are really pure purists with the more updated version of it, and then there's people who change it there. The thing with human design, too, is, you know, part of the teachings around people who have individual circuitry is that they are always going and they. They actually teach this, like in the human design school, like, if you're an individual, like, you're going to come in, you're going to learn what you need, and then you're going to take it and adapt it and run with it. So it's like the people who are doing that, it's probably actually just what they're wired to do anyway, you know, and so I feel very, like, neutral about it all now, But I've definitely been in more of the purist camp where I've been like, it's just source material, you know, because that was what had the big impact on me. But I've really softened in that over the last few years. Yerasimos 01:32:47.810 - 01:32:49.090 Yeah, thanks for sharing that. Joel 01:32:49.330 - 01:33:00.470 Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much for your time. Firstly, secondly, like, what kind of closing message might you have for those listening at this, at this point, if there's anything kind of coming through. Amy 01:33:02.390 - 01:33:48.730 I would love to just encourage people, like, if they're new to human design, look at it as this system you can go away and experiment with, you know, and that can potentially, hopefully bring more flow, you know, and ease to your life, but not something that needs to be taken too seriously or that we need to be too rigid about, you know, and. Yeah, that, you know, I think, I think with where we're going, leading into 2027, like, the most powerful thing we can all do is really try to step into our own authority, you know, and so there's one thing you're going to learn about, like, your, your strategy and authority, like, being really solid in your decision making, I think is the. Is the best way to prepare for how things are changing. Yerasimos 01:33:49.210 - 01:34:26.040 Yeah, yeah, well said. I, you know, there's so many elements of human design, but I always keep coming back to strategy and authority and all the readings I do with people, the conversations I have, like, if you can really work on that and make that a focus. Like, I think that that's going to support you because, you know, it's easy to get lost in a lot of the complexities and the shinier things. But, like, it's so foundational and it's also. That's the thing that separates human design from these other systems out there. Again, not saying that it's better or worse, but I found that there's something really practical to strategy and authority that I could hang my hat on that can support me. So, yeah, thanks for saying that. Joel 01:34:26.200 - 01:34:34.360 Yeah. Amy, where would you like to direct our audience in terms of those who resonate? How can they get in contact with you, work with you, etc? Amy 01:34:35.640 - 01:34:50.680 So I'm on Instagram, so it's amylee co. I'm also newly on Substack, which I'm really enjoying as a platform for longer form sort of content and writings and things like that. So, yeah, they're the best places to connect. Joel 01:34:50.680 - 01:34:54.080 Awesome. And you offer individual readings still at this point in time? Amy 01:34:54.080 - 01:35:04.360 Or sometimes I tend to open my calendar up like last minute for the month ahead, depending on what sort of availability that I have. But yeah, so I still do them sort of seasonally. Joel 01:35:04.520 - 01:35:08.620 Yeah. And what's your main kind of offers regarding human design? Amy 01:35:09.980 - 01:35:38.060 So I teach now more human design and astrology. So I have, I guess I call it like an advanced training, but it's really like an intimate mentoring space where people come in. I have the courses, the resources, and then we do mentoring calls. So I do that, I do readings and then I do executive mentoring where I work with CEOs and directors, but I only work with like one or two people in that way at a time. Yerasimos 01:35:39.340 - 01:35:39.780 Cool. Joel 01:35:39.780 - 01:35:53.500 Yeah, amazing. Well, thank you for being here. Thank you for accepting our invitation. And we really appreciate all the knowledge and wisdom that you've shared. And I've got no doubt everyone's going to get so much value from this. So thank you so much. And everyone else, thank you for listening. Take care.