Michael Joseph Self-Governance and the Inner Work of Freedom

(0:00 - 0:20) Coming up in this episode. I just feel like there's a lot of confusion in this whole, like, sovereign world that is a barrier to entry. You might see a lot of videos of people out there combating the system from a place of anger, thinking that they're the victim of something, instead of realizing that we chose this. (0:20 - 0:44) And it's a tough pill to swallow, but when you realize that it's all about self-responsibility, it washes away all that anger, and people find themselves through it without controversy, and they do it honorably and peaceably. You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. (0:45 - 0:58) I'm Joel Rafiti, got my co-host Yerasimos with me as always. First and foremost, thank you for being here. Thank you for taking time out of your day to tune in and listen to what us and our guests today have to say. (0:59 - 1:58) Hope the first week of January has been inspiring for you. It's definitely felt inspiring on our end. We're just more so tuning deeper and deeper into there is something really shifting in the energies of the time. And we've been through a process the last five, six years of things breaking down, of somewhat of a deconditioning process taking place, things fading away, and us coming to grapple with what is really ours authentically. And my personal feeling, not that I'm a psychic or a medium or anything else, is that we're really moving into a time of, okay, what is your authentic purpose? And can you move into authentic action creation now at this point in time? I think all the seeds that were planted the last five years are now really going to come to bear fruits in the time that we're moving into. And I think we need to move with the flow of action more so than ever. (1:59 - 4:42) Who are you? What is your purpose? What are your unique problems that you're here to solve? And let's just move forward with the next small steps, whatever that is. Don't get overwhelmed. Just what is the next thing that I need to do on the path of moving forward in my purpose? What do you think, bro? Well said. I don't really have anything more to add to that except keep kicking ass in life and keep focusing on what you truly value. Look at yourself in the mirror every day and ask yourself the simple question like, who am I and what really excites me and what really lights me up? And how can I do more of that? And how can I inspire others by me walking the authentic path? Yeah, that's really well said, man. And I'm sure we've mentioned this before, but we're really excited about the fact that we now have a vehicle that is available any place, any time for you to bring this forward within yourself. So as many of you know, we ran 12 live cohorts of our flagship program, Rise Above The Herd since 2022. And now it is a self-guided process, which means anyone can go to herefortheshoot.com forward slash R-A-T-H and undertake the program on their own terms, get lifetime access to it, and ultimately achieve incredible results. And we've had many people now flow through the self-guided program, and people are starting to finish it, which is awesome. And it's still as transformational. And I wouldn't mind reading just a recent experience from Peter, who said, this course has been genuinely transformational for me and stands out as the most authentic of the many courses I've taken throughout my life. What struck me the most was the way Joel and Erasmus delivered the material with honesty, depth, and a natural unscripted flow that never felt forced or performative. As a longtime listener of their podcast, this course became a powerful bridge between theory and lived experience. It provided a structure and embodied way to integrate conversations I've been deeply engaged with and learning over the past few years, rather than just intellectually consuming them. So appreciate the kind words, Peter. I'm glad that Rath was able to do its thing for you. And if you feel the call, Rise Above The Herd is available to you as well. Today, we have the amazing Michael Joseph joining us. And I think in this conversation, we really begin to break down and decode some of the illusion around this whole sovereignty commerce conversation, which is happening in this space. Michael comes from a really grounded way, and I think you're all going to really resonate with just the sincerity of this human being. So that being said, please enjoy this conversation. (4:44 - 7:13) Michael Joseph is the host of the LibertasHorizon.com podcast, executive producer and host of Liberty's Horizon Events and founding director of Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship. He is a staunch advocate for self-governance, educator on the invisible contracts that we've unwittingly allowed to bind us to a commercial corp fiction. He shares the foundation for self-governance, which are specific remedies that help self-determined people bridge way out of the Babylonian system and or administer your affairs within the system with more power and awareness, becoming the substance over the form. Michael, welcome to Here For The Truth, brother. Thank you, guys. Great to be here. This is my favorite subject ever. So thanks for the interest and let's unpack all the beautiful sides of all of it. Let's do it. One way we always like to kick these off with first-time guests is we kind of want to explore you first. Sure. I want to talk about your personal hero's journey. How did you end up interested in these subjects? What led you down the path? Any of the major rites of passage that come up for you, wherever you feel called to kind of begin that journey, man. Go for it. Yeah, thanks. My entire life, I've felt things weren't exactly in harmony in a lot of ways within humanity. I felt it all of my life. I could look at people when I was a kid and I could see that there was something that wasn't in full connection with source to them. I didn't understand what that meant as a kid, like I do today. And as I got older, my father was the one who really kind of helped me pierce the veil of some deeper sides of how the structure of the system works. So what I mean by the system, I don't know how sophisticated your audience is on some of these matters, but the system is that corporate side of things, the corpocracy that we've all been bound into through commerce and contracts, which I'm sure we're going to explore in our conversation today. But my father came from the lands of pharmacology. My father was in the medical field, his professional life. And when I was 12, 13, 14 years old, he was the one that brought forward some of the larger deceptions of what was going on with pharmacology in the medical industry. (7:14 - 8:36) So he was constantly talking about the deceptions of how the medical industry was being sort of captured by pharmacology. And he understood it, he probably understood it in a lot stronger way than I understood at the time, which I can speak of today, but I'm not able to talk to him anymore, at least physically, to be able to explore some of these matters with him and what his depth of awareness was. But I appreciated that he helped me not be naive to the possibilities of what we were told going through school and what we're told as we get in the college or what we're told in society that things weren't as they seem to be, right? So it's really my father who got me started on this journey. And I didn't realize that for many, many years down the road. And when I started diving into these deeper explorations of the corporate state, the difference between the corporate United States and the Republic, and I started having these discussions and talking to people about it, my father once said, how did you, he goes, you're so versed in this. Like, how did you become aware of this? So what was your inspiration? And I stopped for a moment and realized like, wow, dad, that was you. (8:37 - 10:41) You're the culprit, man. So yeah, that's kind of where I started. And from a very early age, I was exploring why I felt the way that I felt, why there felt like there was a disconnection between people. Why did there always seem like there was something that was dividing humanity's ability to connect? Why did it always seem like there was something that was causing this disruption or this, yeah, this disruption from us being able to connect with source, connect with God outside of the intellectual side, really connecting to God through our soul, through our heart, through our spirit. And then I ran across a guy by the name of William Cooper, who was the author of Behold the Pale Horse. And I was turned on to that in the mid nineties and had a chance to meet him before they took him out. And I think 99 is when they finally killed, I think it was three attempts on his life and they finally got Bill. And it was the first time that I was, you know, where somebody was putting into words or in the writing what I had been feeling and sensing. So it was a great relief that I wasn't, you know, that I wasn't kind of bonkers and it wasn't really necessarily coming from me. I was feeling things outside of me, which was nice. And that's really what brought me down the rabbit hole of diving deeper. I eventually found a few years later, I found the original Redemption manuals. Are you guys familiar with the Redemption series? I'm not, no. Oh, worthy of picking up just as a good background education. Essentially, it was a group of people that got together, people that had been, you know, deep patriots, if you will, that had been studying law and realizing that our system has been obfuscated by something. (10:43 - 11:54) And they were exploring what is the something? Why is the Republic, why does there seem to be something that's obscuring the Republic? Why are people's natural rights not protected seemingly? And why are people being put in prison for victimless crimes? They were trying to answer these questions. So they were creating all these series of articles and they were putting them together in books. Brilliant reads. And really, those are some of the people that are some of the legends that a lot of us stand on the shoulders of and bring this information forward. Yet we're, you know, we're 35 years more advanced in what we know and we're much clearer and our practices and our methods are much more perfected. And our realization, not only is our realization and our practices, you know, more perfected and more effective, there's millions, if not hundreds of millions, if not billions of people at this point that are coming across the same awarenesses and they're taking actions in their own lives. (11:54 - 22:11) And it's shifting. Not only is it shifting the way the system is, people are starting to lean into their own power again, but it shifts the quantum measure. Like even us having these conversations right now has an effect on the quantum measure. And I'm a big advocate of that level of awareness, you know, as above as below. Yeah. Well, thank you for that. I kind of want to go back, like, through your research, through conversations you've had with people, like, when did this all start? Like this enslavement of humanity and using law in a certain way? Like, I'm just trying to get to like the foundation of it. He literally read my mind. I wrote down, what is the obfuscation and how did it start? Yeah. Well, we're pretty telepathic these days and we spend all this time together and it's like, we finish each other's sentences. We ask the same questions. It's pretty wild to notice. I feel like it's happening more and more and more. I'll put a, I'll put a ring on it soon. I want to be there for that. Okay. Oh yeah. So yeah. In your experience, like where did it begin? Yeah. I can't say I've got a solid answer for that. I've gone down the rabbit holes. I put pieces of the puzzles together. I've looked at so many different sides of histories. I've seen so many different perspectives. And the deepest truth is it's a little bit hard to completely and utterly know. Yeah. So I don't go down those rabbit holes that often. I just tell people there's a lot of brilliant folks and researchers out there that are going down those rabbit holes and bringing forth information and they're way more into it than I am. Yeah. I know enough to bring me to the point of how the, how the system enslaves people, how the system functions is through commerce and contracts. So what I've done is I've, I've distilled all that historical stuff, all that high minded ideas and pontifications, and I boiled it down to what, what we can actually see, taste, feel and act on. Yeah. But certainly it comes from, you know, and big aspects, aspect of it comes from the crown. It comes these world controllers that for whatever reason, I'm not going to claim I understand why they want to do it. I just know, and I don't need to know why they're doing it or what their intentions are to know that it's happening. Yeah. So like, right. Generally speaking, we can agree that the foundations of the United States of America were a set of pretty good ideas. Yeah. And which over time became infiltrated and corroded and subverted into something that wasn't that. And that's something that even in the current generation's minds, we no longer really perceive it as. So maybe a good place to start is like, what is a Republic? Well, a Republic, there's a lot of different Republics, but a Republic is a group of people and assembly of folks that come together with a set of principles and this in a particular way of governance. That is where there's representatives that represent the people. So there, there's a distinction between a constitutional Republic, which is what the United States is and democracy. So democracy, the easiest way for me to explain democracy and the simplest form is that democracy is more the mob rules. And it's not really backed by a set of principles. So during the whole COVID push and, and this virtue signaling thing that took place, this emotional, emotional state of things is I would ask people what protects me or what protects you from our virtues? If my virtues and values are different than yours, what protects me from that? You're telling me I need to wear a black shirt because that's something that you have a value on or a virtue on. But if you're forcing me to wear a black shirt, where's my protection from that? Well, that's where principles come in. And that's what I love about the constitutional Republic is that no matter what element of governance comes into play, the governance itself is limited and it can never overcome the basic principles that are created. And a democracy, the principles and values or the values change all the time based on whims. So that's where they manipulate people through emotional States and lots of propaganda and why there's always such a sway of things through social opinions. Right. And they always talk about democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, but it's almost spoon fed to us. Yeah. It's spoon fed to us throughout much of our education growing up that it's the like most ideal situation, you know, it is, it is the situation. And yeah, we just programmed with this idea that democracy is the ultimate form of governance. Yeah. It's a propagandized for sure. But a democratic state can still find its way into socialism, can still find its way in the communism, can still find its way into those tyrannical systems. And the thing that's fascinating and what I've just learned through my own experiences is that the United States of America, the Republic, the principles, the constitution itself is still the highest law of the land in United States of America, the Republic. And it's just that there was another system that kind of overlaid it called the United States corporation. And we found our way into that corporate system through a series of contracts. And all that does is move us into a different set of rules or a different jurisdiction. And the jurisdictions lie within those contracts. And it seems massively overwhelming to think that just a simple contract can bind us into a whole different set of rules, but that's really how it works. And when you realize the jurisdictions and the contracts you're in, then you have a lot more power to decide what jurisdiction you want to be in. So can you give a basic summary of the differences between what is the ideal? And obviously this United States corporation that we've entered into or many of us are in. What is the ideal? What do you mean by ideal? It means the constitutional Republic and how we can return to being governed or under that governance. With awareness, education, I think is probably the number one tool and instrument that I love to bring forward and millions of us do. When people are aware of the simple truths that the constitution protects, which is article one, section 10, clause one, I'm going to paraphrase. It basically says that the state cannot impede or impair upon the obligation of a contract. So long as you're not harming somebody else, somebody else's basic principles, then the state cannot make it right or wrong and they can't make it go away and they can't be part of it. So when people are aware of that, then they realize, oh, wait a minute, I can self-govern outside of this corporate governance system that's portraying themselves as our government of the Republic when they're not. They're kind of like a private club that we found ourself into. And with awareness, we can move out of it and we can be people of the land again that are protected by these principles, these natural laws, these God-given laws that naturally we govern ourselves when we're not being manipulated by something outside of ourselves, we govern ourselves quite well. And I say this from experience, not perfectly, we're still human, we still have a lot of things we're working through and we have a lot of healing to do as a humanity. We've just been messed with a lot and we have some healing to do. But I think the first point of order is awareness, basic education that there's a difference between a corporate state that bounds us into these contracts that are ruled by these statutes and codes of that club, or we can guide ourselves based on natural laws and principles that are still the highest law of the land. Really that simple, it doesn't have to be complex. Yeah, I know you have a lot of information and education on your sacred Honor Educational Fellowship and you have an amazing foundational video that people can go to, which I'm sure you can talk about later or share the link to that. Sure. But if someone was new to you, let's say you ran into them on a park bench and they're like, well, what do you do? And then you start talking about it like, what do you mean corporation? Well, I don't have no idea what you're talking about. How would you go about explaining that to this person in the most foundational, basic way so they can understand the differences? And then we can maybe weave into more specifics. Is that cool with you? Yeah, totally. And of course, that depends on the flow of the conversation and what comes out. You know, I usually don't sit down and start grilling people and I let it find its way out naturally. And if there's an interest in there or an opportunity, I just drop a little nugget. But really what I tell people is that if they ask me what I do is that I teach people self-governance. Oh, that's interesting. What do you mean by that? Right, exactly. What do you mean by that? So there's many different ways that we can talk about self-governance, but it still always boils down to self-empowerment, where we're not giving agency away outside of ourselves. We are in self-agency. In the word of law, we're sujuris. We don't have something outside of us telling us what to do. We are free will. So I like to teach people self-governance within themselves and then teach them self-governance with that same principle and idea from a corporate system. (22:11 - 23:40) So there's a distinction. I usually tell people there's a distinction between United States Federal Corporation and United States of America, the Republic. And then I say, are you aware of this? No, I'm not. Please tell me. So yeah, so there is a distinction between the two. And one is a corporate body that was essentially established in 1872 under what's called the Organic Act. And that created and housed the jurisdiction of the United States Corporation in the 10 square miles of Washington, D.C., and that's where their jurisdiction lies. And so, believe it or not, you can opt in to be in that jurisdiction or you can opt out of that jurisdiction into what's called natural law or law of the land, law of the people. And depending on where they go from there, I explain to them a lot of people are suffering from heavy-weighted taxation. They put their wealth and their assets into a position to where it can be taxed away, or they put their private property into a position where it can be confiscated. So I said, most people are suffering from one of those two or both of them. And I say, believe it or not, you can learn ways that you can protect your property, your wealth from being confiscated or leaking the wealth away through taxations and other forms that the system will be glad to take from you if you consensually give it to them. (23:41 - 24:43) And then I'll use you talk about consent. The system relies upon your consent. We consent to all of these things. And now we can get biblical about that aspect. You know, if you want to get into the energetic elements of Beelzebub or Satan, it's always about deception. He always paints a really nice picture of all the beautiful benefits he's going to give you, but you got to sign your soul away, right? If you take any of the benefits now, you're part of that contract. So I just like to make people aware of the distinction in a simple form that there's a difference between the two and all of these places that you, all these elements of self-sovereignty and self-empowerment are being obscured away from the trickery of these contracts. And we find ourself into this corporate state. So you said 1872, the corporate fiction was kind of put into place. Is that right? Yeah. So it's interesting. That was like less than a hundred years from 1776. (24:44 - 25:05) Yeah. It's just interesting to me, like why it didn't last that long, why it became subverted so quickly. And it's like, for me, like I think about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, these feel like pretty divinely inspired writings and documents, you know? Yeah. (25:06 - 26:15) Like where do you think these ideas were born from and came from? Do you think planet Earth and humanity was just kind of ready for this new level of freedom and independence? Like it's just so interesting to me how these men kind of came together and brought this information forward, then ratified it, then stood by it with such conviction. Like what do you think about the founding in that sense? Well, the thing that's really fascinating about it is, you know, and I think you guys can probably concur with this as we're in similar chat groups together and we're down similar rabbit holes, is can we really trust our history? Can we really trust where any of this stuff actually comes from? I'm not so sure, but I do know based on my life experience, that tells me that the system is what it is. So, you know, based on history, at least one side of history, there were a group of Puritans that wanted to get away from the rule of the crown or rule of the Vatican. (26:17 - 26:56) And they found their way to the United States or they found their way to the new land because they wanted to practice or be in their own religious expression without impedances. They didn't want somebody else to tell them how they should lead or practice their lives, and they knew, based on their awareness and connection with God and source, that they shouldn't have somebody telling them what they should do with their land or taxing their land or putting them into a position where they're being overlorded by the feudal system, where they basically have to work to give all their work and land and labor to somebody else, and they're left with penance. They're left with pennies, left with hardly anything. (26:57 - 28:25) So people just got tired of it, and they looked for a way. But I don't think the United States, the development of the new world is necessarily new. I think we probably have done this over and over and over and over again in the history of humanity. It's just for some reason or another, the United States is probably one of the newest ones that's in recorded history, I guess we could call it that. And it seems to be a lot, maybe we're just in this cyclical space within the cosmology that we're back in a space where enlightenment or awareness is coming back into play in our cycle. And there's a different energetic that's going on based on our placement in the universe. And we as a humanity, as conscious, potential conscious beings have the opportunity to make a shift and to find ourself into thousands or maybe millions of years of peace and harmony as we're cycling in and out of souls incarnation, right? I mean, there's a whole lot of different ways to look at it. But in simple form, I think when people are repressed so hard and so long and tyranny just rears its head so strongly down upon a group of beings, that eventually they're going to come to the point where they say, we have nothing left to lose. We're going to lean into something that feels natural to us. (28:25 - 30:25) And I think that's how this country was birthed. These group of people came together and said, this tyranny needs to end. We know it's not natural and we have nothing else to lose. We're going to lean into what feels true and free. And I think the energy behind that, the truth behind that is what paved the way for this to happen. And it didn't take long for it to start falling apart. Like the energies, that evil energy or whatever you want to call it, finds its way through means and tentacles of infiltration. And it wasn't but 25 years later that we got the war of 1812 that was trying to install central banking systems again. I mean, it was always about somebody trying to come in and control the system. And it finally broke through after the Civil War. And it's been a downhill spiral in the United States and the whole world since that time period. And now it's reaching that tyrannical space again, where people are saying, no, this is not natural. We're done with this and we want to change it. Well, it's interesting because it seems like this kind of natural process that occurs within this duality. And we can see it even just in interpersonal relationships. If you're in a relationship and it just gets too much, too much, too much tyrannical, something's got to give usually. And so, why not? Of course, you would think it happens in the same exact way. And we see it over and over again, depending on how that looks. But yeah, if you're dealing with hundreds and hundreds of years of tyranny, then what comes out of that? And then the cycle continues. So, it's interesting to think about it in that way, that it was just a natural response to more and more control and more and more tyranny. And I feel like we're seeing that in a sense now with what's been going on, especially around COVID and things post-COVID and especially with the way technology is being used to impact humanity and control humanity. (30:28 - 31:42) Yeah. There seems to be something. So, the way I break it down on a more kind of esoteric fashion is that we have the imitators and we have the creators. And it seems like the imitators are the ones, through whatever reasons, are not able to create the same way the creators are. But they can imitate really well. They can utilize structures and manage things really well. They can deceive well, but they're not good creators. So, I see us as the creators and they're wanting to utilize our creative energy and force to develop a world that they're wanting because they don't have the capacity to do it or the capability to do it. And I think that's probably a bigger picture of it. There's a utilization of our creative force that they're wanting to put to use for their benefits. And they have to use a series of deceptions and propagandas in order to confuse us away from our true power and our true potentiality as individual beings and collectives to utilize our energy for what they're wanting to create. And I think that's kind of a simple way to explain. (31:42 - 32:55) And who those beings and entities are, I don't know. I just know that it's happening. Yeah. Hey, what's the... Because I'm obviously Australian. I'm not American. I was born in Australia. But I observe America. And it seems to me, and obviously we've discussed this in the past and there's truth to it, that Americans have come to learn, whether it's partly groomed or partly natural consequence, to kind of hate themselves, hate their own nation, so to speak. And so, how do you perceive that? And do you feel like that part of the path forward is that they come to look on their history and their founding with more reverence again, as opposed to self-hatred? Because it's a big faction of what we're seeing in terms of the tearing down of the Western values and principles, is this inward motion of self-destruction, like, oh, we now fully believe that we created all the world's problems because we're colonialists and we're white and we're conquerors and all the rest of it. (32:56 - 33:56) Well, if I was somebody that had a nefarious intention and I was trying to manipulate an entire mass of beautiful people, the best way to do it is to confuse who they are, to confuse them from what their past is, and to be very clever at turning it into a story that makes you look like you're the one who did it. It's absolute evil genius. And it's such a, it can be a deep well, or it can be a simple well. And I think the deep well is where get into the over-intellectualization of where all these things come from and the cycle babble of how the system is created, all of these nuances that pits us against each other. It's the oldest maxim of war, divide and conquer. And they're absolutely exquisite at creating these scenes and these dramas and these theaters to make us pit against each other in every way imaginable. (33:56 - 35:20) And I think that's just what it is. And they have to figure out a myriad of different ways. So the system of education has been taken over and all the historical elements of what happened before are completely bastardized. So that's why I say be careful of our history, look at it with half-closed eyes and look at it from a lot of different perspectives. But I think the most important thing is let's see what is actually going on right now, what's going on around you, what's going on in your community, and what's going on in your household. And those observations are what help us see the truth. Because if we're busy looking at history books or looking at our phone or going through chat GPT or all these sources that are informing us outside of our own agency, I think that's where we start getting confused. Well said, man. I mean, definitely speaking our language in terms of focusing on your inner life, your families, your communities, things that are within your control. Because like you said, there are many dangling things out there in the world that are distracting us and taking our attention away from what truly, truly matters. And so obviously there's many different angles people go about educating others to put the focus back internally. And so I love everything that you're doing with Sacred Honor Educational Fellowship. (35:20 - 35:34) Because this is a subject that I think a lot of people are like, this is too much, this is overwhelming. I don't fucking know where to go, where to start. There's everyone and their mother is talking about sovereignty and they have a course or they have a class. (35:35 - 35:52) And then this person got the land patent, but nobody was in prison for freaking three years. And then this person tried to get pulled over and then he said a few words. And then I just feel like there's a lot of confusion in this whole sovereign world that is a barrier to entry for many. (35:54 - 36:57) Yes. So that's another one of those situations where people are looking at their phones and they're looking at YouTube, little blurbs and memes, instead of actually looking in law books and looking at court cases and looking at what actually can happen. Because the way the system likes to function is the ones that aren't centered when they haven't grounded themselves in the truth, then they're leading themselves through anger. The lens that they're seeing through is retribution. I say this through my own experience. When I first started learning this, I was angry and I lived, my heart was full of anger and I was confused and I wanted to fight the system with my fist. And thank God I came out of that because I realized how damaging that was. And I had to walk away from it all until my spiritual journey began. And what came through me at the end of that or the middle of that experience was combat it with love. (36:58 - 37:15) Now the word combat is not even really in my lexicon anymore, but that's what came through 25 years ago. And I realized what it meant is that everything is love and what isn't love is the perception that it's not love. So I come from that standpoint. (37:16 - 38:12) Of leading my life through that lens. So my point by saying this is you might see a lot of videos of people out there that are combating the system from a place of anger, thinking that they're the victim of something instead of realizing that we chose this. And it's a tough pill to swallow, but when you realize that it's all about self-responsibility, it washes away all that anger and people find themselves through it without controversy and they do it honorably and peaceably. And now the system wants everyone to see those videos where somebody is mad and they're combating an officer on the street. And then they ended up getting arrested because they're looked upon as a combatant or that they're being, um, the word just slipped away. But that's really what this, that's part of the propaganda. (38:13 - 41:22) So a lot of people do it to themselves. They might have good information, but they don't act upon the information with goodness. And then they find themselves in trouble and then that's what becomes propagandized and people get, become afraid. That's what I haven't seen for years and years. Yeah. Well, you know, you said at the beginning of this conversation that like it starts within. And so anyone can get information, anyone can read something, but like who is the person that is utilizing that information? How are you communicating? What is your level of emotional intelligence? What interpersonal dynamics are at play? I mean, we see it even just in our world. Anyone, everyone that's, that's questioning anything mainstream or people that are into conspiracies, like there are a lot of people that are into this stuff and have a lot of knowledge that are really unhealthy from an emotional standpoint, from a psychological standpoint that are just like warring online with strangers or saying the same thing over and over again. And it's like, what happens when you are grounded in purpose and a deeper knowing, like you do, I think, approach things from this place of love, this groundedness, this, the way you communicate, you know, even how you even debate someone. It's just, it's not in this contracted, like I have to beat you and win. I'm smarter than you. The evil ones are taking over our consciousness. It's just like a, it's like a quieter matter of factness and take it or leave it, you know, kind of thing. So one of the things that I like to bring forward a lot is, is that the system rewards people for intellectualization. I mean, just look at our whole academic system. They give you a piece of paper for, for achieving intellectualization, which is a lot of memorization, a lot of analyzation of things in a particular way based on information that they've been fed. So if we only listen to our mind, if we only listen to the intellectual side of things, then our minds can be manipulated. Our hearts cannot, our guts cannot. When we learn to tune back into our hearts, into our gut, then that should be our inner barometer, not a book, not a, not a chat GBT, not a, you know, it's, it's, we know the truth within ourselves. It's a matter of tuning back into ourselves and finding that truth. So I think that's a tricky thing for a lot of people because they want to argue with you intellectually. They want to try to beat you with their mind instead of listening to their hearts. And I think the ones that find the most success in these spaces is when they're tuned into the frequency of love. They're tuned in the frequency of their heart. It changes the field around you. There's plenty of science that proves that at this point, just look at Dr. Emoto's work with water. That'll tell you everything right there. How we think, our words, our actions and our deeds dictate the field that is around us. And it changes. So you can have two identical situations where let's say somebody is getting pulled over and one person is, is grounded in themselves and they see who's before them. (41:23 - 41:35) They see another living sentient man in love, in a place of love. And that field is held, that resonance is there. And they could have the same kind of conversation with that being. (41:35 - 42:09) And it changes the outcome positively opposed to somebody who doesn't know who they are and they want to argue. They want to be mad because their heart is being obscured by over-intellectualization or anger or something else going on that's, that's the filter between their truth. And then they find themselves in trouble. It's powerful. So that's the part of the deeper side of how powerful we are as beings and how exponentially powerful we are as a collective. And they, they, the system wants to keep us divided from that higher truth. (42:10 - 42:52) Yeah, man, that's beautifully said. The kindness and sincerity in your eyes is really inspiring, Michael. I just really, really appreciate the passion, man. Thank you. Thank you. I had a question, but I lost it, but I just wanted to share that. He'll circle back. Yeah. How have you, like, have you changed as a human being, you know, through your life, you know, in terms of maybe some of the things you learned or some of the awarenesses you had, or maybe some of the mistakes that you made and you had to, that forced you into a realm of deeper self-reflection and self-knowing and healing that has kind of brought you to who you are right now, looking at us through these squares with palm trees in the background. (42:53 - 43:25) Right. Well, I think the two biggest things are getting out of the realm of being a victim and then sharpening my discernment. When I, so I saw, let's see, when was this? Probably in 92. Believe it or not, I was watching this interview with one of the guys who is in this big popular series back then called Dallas. My mom used to watch that. Huge, huge. (43:26 - 45:15) So it was one of the characters in that, and he was just talking about his own personal development, and he said something to the degree of self-responsibility. When I realized that everything that happened in my life was my doing and that I was responsible for everything that happened, my life changed immediately. And that just rode through me like a lightning bolt, and it affected me so deeply, I think I wandered around in a daze for a couple of weeks until I really got what it meant. That was one of the most profound, I wish I could remember the guy's name, and I don't know if he's still alive, but I'd love to send him a love letter and say, bro, you don't know how much you affected me with that statement. And I was 22 at the time. I love that you said that, because I feel like so often, Hollywood or cinema or movies or entertainment can just get all thrown into one. Fucking mind control, programming, that's all garbage, and yet storytelling is part of our history. There's so much power. Some of the lessons that I've gotten in my life, some of my favorite memories are from watching beautiful movies or television shows that had such an impact on me. So I love you hearing it. One of my favorite movies of all time, it's on a lot of people's lists, but I just love it, is the Shawshank Redemption. And that one line at the end that he says to Red, he goes, get busy living or get busy dying. That single line can be applied to so many things and just sticks with me. It has inspired me for decades. Anyway, I just love that I ask you this question and then you have a moment from this old TV show from the 80s and 90s that hit you. (45:16 - 50:41) So I want to dive deeper down the rabbit hole of getting out of the path of victimhood and then sharpening the discernment tool. So one of the things that became, as I went deeper down the research of the quantum understanding and the power of our spiritual selves, and then I started realizing because my level of self-awareness became richer and richer. And one of the things I started seeing within my own self is the algorithm of potentiality that I could see within my lens of life. Meaning every choice I make in my life opens up a whole new set of potentials. And I started sitting and just imagining sitting in a room and seeing 25 different things before me. And I would think, wow, I could go over here and engage with this person. And then suddenly I could see in my mind's eye all these potentialities that would open up and then another whole set of doors would open up the potentialities. And that rocked my awareness. Like, wow, we really have the power to choose and to carve our own life. And then I started realizing what I was speaking of earlier about energy, the way we think, the way we feel affects everything around us. And we magnetize into our perceptions the experiences that we feel worthy of. So I realized in my life at one point why I was having trouble with success in certain ways is because I was bringing people into my life based on how I felt about myself. Right? So I was having trouble. I was having trouble getting good workers. I was having trouble, you know, finding people that were honorable and they were going to do good work. It's because I didn't see myself as good. Right? And then when I found the goodness in myself, I started surrounding myself with better people and I found more success. So what I realized is as I'm sitting in a room of potentiality, I needed to lean into my heart frequency to see what was the best path for me at that very moment based on frequency. And that's what I mean by chiseling your discernment. I could choose all kinds of different things and not one is right or wrong. There's no judgment in that. It's just a path. It's a choice and you can choose better or you can choose a path that brings you into a place that is more desirable in your frequency or you could stay at the frequency or you can change your frequency to a lower frequency and bring on a whole different set of experiences. So it's all about self-awareness, getting out of the way of victimhood and making better choices, discerning more wisely in your life. Yeah. You touched on something really important there, man. It's a core aspect of our work and what we teach in Rise Above the Hurt as well. And Nathaniel Brandon says, your self-concept is your destiny. Very simply, how you perceive yourself ultimately determines everything else. It determines what kind of relationships you bring in, what kind of colleagues, workers, what kind of dreams you envision for yourself, what kind of work you do. It literally all boils down to the single interaction within the self of how do I feel about me? What is my reputation with me? And that's the work. That's the work. That is the work. Yeah. And I have a motto in life, all things true are simple. And when you lean into the truth of that, all this other intellectual hyperball shit just washes away and you get into the simple truths of life. And that's a simple truth of life. Yeah. And really, if you just leave these simple truths and guide yourself in that way, life does flow a lot easier. Choices are not as grappling to make that are positive. And life becomes smoother and life becomes more powerful. And then you start affecting everybody else around you in a positive and powerful way. That's awesome. And then you see the impact in real life and you go, oh shit, there's something to it. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun. That's when life really starts getting fun. Oh yeah. For me. Same here. We were just talking about it before, before this call, you know, just when you shift, when you change and then all of a sudden, like why this person just come into my life? Why this opportunity present itself right now at this moment? And then again, then there's more choice points. Oh, this person, you know, invited me to something. Do I say yes? Do I say no? And so it's like, think about how many choices in a day, potentials of choices that we make are there before us and what do we do? So I get it. Like, and I feel like I'll just keep saying this till the cows come home. But like, there are certain things that are out of our control. You know, we can't always control like who we're born to and the time period we're born into the culture, et cetera. But at some point our life becomes this, you know, culmination of all these different choices that we make. Yeah. So it's like, you got to look in the mirror and take responsibility. (50:42 - 52:19) Some people might challenge that we, that we do or don't have a choice as we incarnate into this life. Well, of course, but I'm saying I agree. I agree with that. I mean, on some greater cosmic level, again, I don't know. I don't know for a fact, but let's just say I don't either. Like I'm a three-year-old child. Like I, what control do I have over a parent beating me or not? You know, sure. We can, we can talk about that in terms of, yeah, your soul wanted this lesson. So then you can grow and evolve. Great. That's one way to look at it. But just trying to make it as practical and real as possible. It's like, okay, you're, you get to be an adult age. You can recognize, oh wow. Like my childhood was shit. Fuck. I talk to people this way. I relationships. Maybe I need to do something about it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. You've probably answered aspects of this question, but I want to ask it anyway. Like what does it mean to you? Like when you'd sell someone, like you are a creator, like you are the creator. Like what does creatorship actually mean to you? Wow. That's a great question. Well, let's see how, what is my deepest truth in that question without, so I could get down the esoteric element of that. But if I want to talk to somebody in the most simple way is as a creator, you have the ability to harness source around you at any time. (52:19 - 53:48) And you can put those, those sources together and you can, you can be part of a creation. Every breath we take, every utterance of everything that comes out of us is an aspect of creation. Every thought we have is an aspect of creation. It's the building of something through actions, through imagination. Everything boils down to the quantum intelligence, the quantum awareness, awareness, the quantum potentiality. It's almost hard for me to answer the question without going down that rabbit hole. Go for it. Go down it. So it's as simple as sitting on a beach and you have sand before you and you have a creative idea to move your physical self through this plasma field and immerse yourself into a more dense field of sand and morph that into a different structure. So just think about that. Just if you take a moment to embrace the beauty and power and grace that we have just to be able to move our beings through this plasma field and to affect change with something as simple as sand and turn it into something else, that's magnificent. And everything we do in our life is just that simple. (53:49 - 54:37) We're always in creation. Every step we take, every breath we take, every thought, every word, every deed is creation. Individually and collectively. That's the power of what I love to share with people is the way you think affects everything around you and the way we think affects everything. Yeah, it's interesting in our old place where we lived in Santa Monica in our and I guess our healing room where I used to see clients one-on-one my wife did as well. One of my favorite quotes was we painted it over like you know the top of the wall and it was the most creative act you will ever undertake is the act of creating yourself. And so again it's like there's so many people out there that are like well I'm not creative and it's like it just goes to what you're talking to right now. Like you are. Your life is a creation. (54:37 - 55:10) You cannot be creative. Yeah, exactly. Hey, what are some of the most I guess in your personal journey spiritual texts or teachings that have inspired you? And spiritual I mean keep it broad can be self-help, can be you know psychological anything like what are those core teachings and texts that really hit you the hardest and were like oh this is I'm running with this? Wow, that is not an easy question to answer. (55:12 - 56:06) So I have a pretty enormous library. A book collector I've known spirit told me 25-30 years ago to collect as many original copies of books and DVDs as possible because the digital age will manipulate and that's what I did. Not really fully understanding what that meant. So my point of saying that is I the way that I flow is when something inspires me I'll go through it and I'll read it and I'll whatever resonates with me I integrate it and then I put it away and I don't necessarily remember where that source came from anymore. It just rates. So I could go through my library and point out books that go oh yeah right yeah yeah here brought forth this now this one here collected this dot over here but to remember that is a is a map that I'm not good. (56:07 - 1:34:12) I get it. It can be challenging if you're like a big reader and you might have some general ideas of a few books that like impacted you because you were traveling and you're sitting on a beach and you read this book but generally speaking yeah it's like it just kind of like you it just the knowledge melds with your unique essence and then shifts it in a unique way that's only yours you know because it's like right hundred people could line up and read the same exact book but how is it going to kind of like fuse within them and their imagination and their essence and their spirit to make it their own. Do you know what I mean? So seed of the soul Gary um yeah I know you're I know you're talking about so seed of the soul was a really brilliant weird weird like a ethnic last name maybe or something like krusik or um something people can look it up see the soul I think what is it who calls zukav yeah zukav that's it yeah that's it he wrote several books I think that was his first one that was most impactful brilliant brilliant book and it helped me get into the deeper side of and I think I was maybe a little bit more I don't know maybe I was like 30 when I read that one or something when it came out and it it helped me look at myself as an as an element of soul and helped me with a deeper understanding of of of choices and that there's a distinction between our spirit self and our physical self and and it helped me move away from a lot of fear you know because that's a lot of the system tries to build their lives based on fear fear is a great motivator and I was trying to work through why I had so much angst and fear in my life and when I realized oh I'm really this spiritual being that is eternal and I can move beyond this physical field and I will still have an element of consciousness in life with beyond this and that helped me relax a lot so seed of the soul was a fantastic book as was the celestine prophecies right which is a fun um adventure book that talked about the truth of spirit and the potentiality of our consciousness an amazing those are two amazing books and both of those were books that impacted me when I was in um I think the celestine prophecy was in my mid 20s and then um see the soul I think it was like 30 or I think I don't know yeah I was like about 22 with celestine prophecy and it had a huge impact on me and I was going to ask you like do you are there any books that you reread and then like they hit you because in a different way because it's in a different place in your life you know because when you said celestine prophecies wow I haven't read that in like over 20 plus years like if I were to read that now how would I relate to it oh so yeah there's there's a lot of books like that um and sometimes I don't read the whole book I just read chapters or bits and pieces and yeah I honestly there's been so many of them I don't really I don't know if I've ever read the celestine prophecies over again I've read seed of the soul three times um autobiography of a yogi is definitely a great book to read at different phases of your life because it you you have different levels of awareness that makes sense to you I mean just about any book you could read over and over and you find different um nuggets or depending on your perception and and the dowdy ching is also another book that is hard to get through because it's not designed to get through it's designed to um open up portals so that's probably one of the most powerful books to where you could simply read a paragraph and put the book down and just meditate on that paragraph for days weeks months and then open the book again to something else there's a lot of great books like that but the dowdy ching was is a very very powerful book for me yeah the doubt edging was big early on in my journey I've read that down real times for sure okay let's talk about um sacred honor fellowship what is the mission of sacred honor educational fellowship well the the biggest mission at all is to help people realize is that they have more power and choice in life than they've been told it's kind of that simple yeah and we come from the the lens of self-governance we come through the lens of natural law or god's law which are those principles that we were talking about earlier which basically is to live and let live so long as somebody else is not stomping on your living yeah and only is that simple um so the deeper side of that is is it's all about the components of education so we love to create that distinction between the commercial state um you know uh the corporate state the commercial state which are intertwined and what is natural the republic and these are things that we've discovered that are pretty much all around the world we've got natural elements of existence of what we call god's natural way and the people the creators and then we have these man-made governing systems that don't fit within the natural principles so when you realize that very clear distinction and that you actually have more choices to self-govern your life away from that particular system where you're not leaking your wealth and legacy away and you're not putting your property into a position to be confiscated it's a immensely powerful position to be in and then you start learning oh and i can still engage with this corporate system with a lot more awareness a lot more power without leaking my wealth and putting my property into a position where confiscated so that that's the crux of it so are you able to lay out a simple pathway of what it looks like for an individual to unbind from the corporate fiction i think the first thing that a lot of people like to do because it's rather simple if you will is to change your political status so what does that mean in the united states um you've got the federal corporate person you've got the u.s citizen or the 14th amendment citizen so if you're that 14th amendment citizen there's a corporate entity that you're essentially managing whether you're aware of it or not there's this managing side over here of this corporate person that's a corporate fiction and you can separate yourself from that 14th amendment citizen back to a state citizen which is the pre-civil war political status as a citizen of the state where you're now protected by those bill of rights those principles that we were talking about earlier but if you're not aware of that then you're you're bound by all those statutory rules that you're afflicted by absolutely anything anything that you do in that in that corporate system you're found wrong and you're being punished and fined with some orient orientation of energy either you're going to give them some kind of federal reserve notes or you're going to give time that corporation is going to give time inside of a jail cell whether you've hurt somebody or not and that's how that system functions or you could step away from those things and you could be in the natural system so that's the first thing that people do and it's it's quite easy to do and we have it quite perfected it's a process that we've that's been used for i think 19 years now very successfully and it's not hard to do now a lot of people get confused they think that's what makes them sovereign no it is not what makes you sovereign is you the awareness of who you are and the power that you have this is a political status change and it's a simple action you can take that changes your political status in the system so the system now would would recognize you as a state citizen instead of a u.s corporate citizen so this is like when you change your passport like the status of your passport and so like so and there's no difference like if you make the change and you go out of the country and you come back in like at border control they're not like hmm you're different uh we need to you know it's just not at all nope the norman glacier of the passports themselves now please understand this is just the way that we do it there's a lot of things that people are doing there's state national folks and american national things we don't prescribe or subscribe to that in any way at all because it's not visible in law at all state citizen is not even visible in law anymore it's called a national not a state national not an american national not even american it's national that's fully visible in law so we only act in things that are fully visible in law because it just makes it easier i'm all about making things easy and practical for people so that's the first thing most people do so they do that status change they get a new passport the norman glacier the passport looks exactly the same in the united states of america it's just in the system you're not subject to all those statutory infarctions and such especially if you haven't harmed anybody if you've harmed somebody well that's a different matter so that is the first thing that most people do and usually the easiest thing and it's an important thing for people to do i think but and how is that used like okay i go through this process and now i've shifted my status in what can you give me like a real life situation where something would occur and then a person utilizes this information and knowledge and goes well i'm a national now like you can arrest me or whatever like what's how is that knowledge and these actions that this person has taken to change their status how does it help them in real life situations well the simplest thing is when you're a state citizen you're not subject to all the federal tax codes that's probably like the biggest thing that most people learn and they they love and lean into so a lot of people that are employees of our corporations when they're in that they're in that status it puts you in a position that you're no longer in the status or needing to pay those income taxes as a federal citizen that's pretty huge for a lot of people um i don't personally use it for that because i set things up in a totally different fashion but there are people that need to do that so there's one the other one is when you're traveling there's a distinction between traveling and driving if you're driving using a driver's license now you're in the jurisdiction of that particular corporate state but if you're traveling privately and you are in your private conveyance or your vehicle and you want to give them identification which is a smart thing to do because that relaxes them you don't want to argue with somebody with a gun on their holster i give them my passport card and when they pull it up into the system there's a code that they understand and it's a do not detain code which means essentially if you haven't harmed anybody you're not in their jurisdiction and they give you your credentials back and you drive away and that has been our experience it's not a license to be an asshole it's not a license to be belligerent always contain or hold yourself in a place of honor and law enforcement is specifically educated on this code when it comes up of course they are they have to be they won't they don't like to tell you that's part of their kind of rules that they can't give you information it's not their position to educate you yeah but we actually have a video where there's a sheriff after much much prompting the sheriff did admit that what was on the code in his system said do do not detain code so so as long as they're not hurting anyone so let's say they're speeding that's pretty basic then it's like they you give them the information they go back and then they come back to you and they go have a nice day but like isn't there the potential for like hurting someone by speeding like how does that work there's always a potential to hurt someone absolutely they can't they can't and then then we're getting into what was that movie called minority report minority report right oh we we think we we think it's gonna happen put you in prison for it okay cool so i'm i'm just throwing examples out there so that's one okay let's say the the cop comes to your front the front window and he just sees like a like a a bag of cocaine on your on your driver's side and then oh you shouldn't be what are you doing with that and you're like here's my passport and then he goes back and he's like have enjoy the cocaine have a good night like i'm just i'm i know these are a little ridiculous but i'm just trying to like you know he's trying to find some boundaries yeah just trying to get it yeah just to understand this principles more clearly well i still always come from a place of honor uh and and also reasonable sensibilities okay i mean if you're pumping blow in your face and you gotta blow all over your dad you should hide it hide hide before the cop shows up to your window there's like blood dripping from your nostrils okay i don't know how to answer that question other than saying have some sensibilities okay good cool no i figured but i was just curious even just from a legal standpoint like if like if that makes you immune like you being an idiot with like you know cocaine on your nose and like like like a baggie on the winch like whatever that's called in the car that you know would you would you get away with it that's what i'm wondering it's okay i'm just being a little ridiculous but well well so if you want to get into the legal and lawful side of things cocaine all of those are statutory commercial um you know corporate rules they're not natural there's nothing in the constitution says you can't take natural things and put things in your own body and damage yourself there's nothing in there that says you can't do that you want to kill yourself all right it's up to you just don't hurt other people so lawfully no there isn't anything they can do if you're out of that jurisdiction they really can't do anything however it doesn't mean that they won't that they couldn't kidnap you yeah and they couldn't yeah yeah yeah doesn't mean they won't try to make your life more difficult and cause more issues and it goes back to what i said again in the beginning like how do you approach a situation yes all right you convinced your ass he's changing his status now based on the answer for the record um i live a sober life but i was just curious you know nothing to see here folks nothing yeah love it okay so obviously a big pool for individuals is like how can i pay less tax little tax or no tax you know and you kind of hinted before that you've set up your i guess personal business in a different way you're gonna explore that for a little bit for those that are curious sure so i'll open up the door a little bit more to the fellowship and and what we share so we within the fellowship itself we have what's called the foundation for self-governance and it consists of four pathways and the four pathways are national status passport trifecta alloydale land and equity and they all work uh individually powerfully in their own way but as we've bound them together they work magnificently in the world of self-governance when you're wanting to build your life in the private ledger so i come from the lens of private ledger public ledger public ledger is that corporate united states the corpocracy the banking systems uniform commercial code all those contracts that bind you into their rules and then you have the private ledger which is everything that's protected within the principles of the constitution and natural law which is outside of the corporate united states so each one of those helps you build the life in the private ledger so you can build true wealth without leaking it through taxation and without putting your properties into positions where it could be compensated through contracts and all kinds of rules that they have they're very very good at that very clever yeah so the first one was national status passport which we talked about and by the way they're not in any order some people come in and they go right to equity some people go right to trifecta most people go to trifecta and then they do their national status passport and they do a load of land if they've got land so there is no particular order it's just where are your needs what are you up to what do you need help with if you've got a major crisis a lot of people like to come in and express equity to settle and close that matter in the public system why they're building their life in the private if they don't have a lot of major tax matters or legal matters then they'll build their life um in the trifecta which is set a set of structures church trust and private associations or unincorporated associations it's where you're building your life in that private ledger this is where you start building your wealth through trusts and through private associations you're establishing your business through private associations and you're not contracted in with interstate commerce right so you're not putting yourself in the position where they can come at you and say hey you owe us taxes hey you need to be a tax collector on our behalf with sales tax even though we're not paying you for it you didn't consent to it yeah right so it removes you from all of those statutory oversights you're you're leading your life now in the private and it's really not that hard to do you build your life in that private ledger even if you've still got public entities you move those public entity elements back into the private eventually or you remove those public entities like llc's and c corps and s corps and you build it all into the private so as a for instance sacred honor educational fellowship is a private association it's an unincorporated association which means we didn't ask the state for permission to exist and we've been around for years we don't have any public presence we don't have any contracts any licenses any permits no bank accounts nothing within sacred honor educational fellowship we have no public presence period not even social media so we're not in their jurisdiction in any way at all they couldn't bring us into the those courts because we don't have any recognition at all it's like this so how does that work though like obviously like you offer services and education and people donate or pay money i don't know what lingo is so then how is that like you just stuff it under your mattress or like do you have a bank account but like this is where i'm confused don't you stuff it under the mattress i hide it in the curtains he stuffs all the stuff on the mattress i stick it in my socks really stick it in my sock the big socks um no the so the way that the trifecta works it's three parts church trust and private association the church is what creates the jurisdiction it's the divine law and then it doesn't it doesn't want to navigate in the babylonian system of commerce so it bestows open a trust now according to law that church and trust are bound as an integration that the private association like sacred honor is also an integration of that church through contracts so the integrations come through contracts so we teach people integrations we teach people how you integrate them all together through contracts and through a body of association so people that are part of the church that are part of the trust that are also part of the association are now all part of the integration and it's very visible and very recognized in law if it's ever challenged so sacred honor doesn't hold the bank account but the trust does gotcha okay so everything goes into the trust right so we navigate a lot of the affairs the fiduciary affairs through the trust and this is for example if you if you were to have like social media that would happen through a trust um not necessarily so social media um most of the time if somebody's going to do something social media it's going to be through the association at least i think that's the prudent thing to do okay we just we sacred honor has some social media presence we just don't lean into it that much gotcha gotcha we like to be like exceptional when it comes to remaining private however we're probably going to express a little bit more in social media as we go it's just that so it's have you ever gone to a shoe store for instance and you bought a pair of shoes from nancy's shoes but on your credit card statement it says uh the shoes wait sorry wait what what it says something different than the store name when your credit card yeah yeah yeah so it's no different so people we have lots of members so sacred honor only holds the members we tend and care for the members we have we have a symbiotic relationship with our members but all the contributions and donations and everything that they make all goes into the trust and the trust manages those affairs and it keeps it clean it also separates liabilities so there's a lot of very very clever reasons why we build these integrations in with each other and allow the trust or trusts to be the fiduciaries and also the trust help divide up the liability of assets so if one trust finds its way into trouble it doesn't affect all the other integrations uh-huh etc etc yeah can you explain the land patent thing because you know you're we're hearing a little bit more talk uh in the mainstream even like i feel like why am i forgetting his name robert de santis was talking about we shouldn't have to pay taxes on the land you know where we live and you know even in this whole sovereign i hear people talking about it like shit like take control of your land again i don't know if they're using that language but where you don't have to um pay taxes on your land it just seems like that's a huge expense for a lot of people depending on where they're living so what does that process look like and the most basic level obviously i know you educate people more deeply but what does that even mean can you explain that for the people listening so when this country was founded one of the most important things that the founders realized that when when you find your way into a system of commerce then your private property or your property can be put into a position to be taken away from you so before the constitution was ratified during the paris peace treaties which was part of the ending the resolve of the revolutionary war the the land patents in essence were put into order so basically what that meant is that the crown even though they had no authority to do this anyway but i'm not going to go down that rabbit hole granted the lands to the united states government to in a trust so the land could be granted to the people who claimed it that means granted that means given so the old stories of the pioneers who went out west and they stake their claim yeah those are land patents or paper patents and they didn't pay for those these were people that were um homesteading they were going out west to homestead and then those lands were granted to the ones that claimed it so and that means that the land was claimed to be unencumbered which means not taxed or not taken away through any kind of commercial encumbrance like a mortgage or some kind of a liability like that which is all commercial this is a private natural law thing where people could hold their sovereign selves on sovereign land without the fear of it being taken away from the system taken away by by them from the system to be clear so that's what the land patents were originally designed for and they're still there they lie dormant today and there's methodologies that we share with members where they can what's called perfect their land patent and there's a way for to do it and it's it's very effective it's hard is it harder for some than others depending on like the history of the land and and that's right so yeah sometimes they can be kind of complex especially in the original 13 colonies um the information is a little bit harder to find when you're doing historical research all the way back to the original grants but it's very rare in our experience it's very rare for people to find overly complicated situations and matters at least in what we call mainland united states hawaii it's a different animal um not all patents not all the lands in hawaii were patented it's a more complex matter um but in simple form most people can pull forward their land patents they can perfect them and then they can record them in the county recorder's office where the challenges lie is enforcing them because the system is so ignorant of truth in law that they allow the county attorneys to tell the the clerks rely upon the county uh attorneys to tell them what to do and when do how to do it because they don't know they haven't been educated on true law they've just been educated on statutory commercial system and that's all against the deeds not the land patents so land patent is called superior title of all the lands and it still reigns supreme today the supreme court has no bones about the power of the land patents where the where the confusion comes in is sometime in the 40s 45 46 prior to that when you would buy a piece of land they would actually give you the land patent with your deed as you were recording it in the county recorder's office the globalists wanted to obscure those land patents they wanted them to go away so they hid those now the county recorder's office don't even know what a patent is they might hear about it now there's a lot of people talking about it so they're being taught oh that doesn't work that's that's nothing that you can record here so we have methods to help people get things recorded where you're not actually talking about your patent at all which is prudent the important thing is you're getting it recorded gotcha so let's say someone goes through the process of getting it recorded but then you're dealing with those people that aren't educated on it and then you choose not to pay your yearly property tax and then either i mean they probably wouldn't show up to your door but they'd send you a letter and then there's ways to then handle like responding to these letters in a way and then you may have to end up in court or not like i'm just yeah yeah so so this is this is our awareness and practice if somebody it's really rather prudent to just go through the entire process from the very beginning you're done perfecting the land patent and getting it recorded it's best to just go ahead and take it all the way to the supreme court if you've got the if you've got the means and the time you want to bring that land patent all the way to supreme court and supreme court has never swayed away from the direction of the land patents which means that the county now has no power over that land they can't tell you what to do when to do how to do it and they can't tax that land or anything that's on that land unless you're hurting somebody if you're hurting if you're doing nefarious shit well that's a different matter but if you're being an honorable man or a woman tending to that land as a good steward you won't have any so if you're growing coca plant on your property you're okay i just kid that goes under your mattress yeah it goes under your mattress not even any socks that goes in your mattress yeah yeah so so there's there's many different ways to enforce it so one thing that has been true in my observation and from a lot of my observations over the years is when the people start shifting with their awareness the system starts changing to counterbalance that so now that there's more and more people in practices of self-governance um and claiming their land patents and such now the system is making it more challenging for people so enforcement is something that you almost have to follow through with from the very beginning so there's many different ways that people can express enforcement and one is you can ride it all the way to the supreme court um you can use what's called equity jurisprudence and discharge that the notices or the the tax presentments that the county gives you you can actually discharge them um or you can actually uh bring the matter to the local courts and you can i'm just being very simple here you can bring the courts and you can have the courts prove that the county never had any authority or power to tax or regulate the patent and courts can't prove it and then when you've got that proof then you ought you um get what's called injunctive relief which means the courts file an injunction or a notice to the county stating that they can't take any actions on your land so there's ways to enforce it um and land patents are probably one of the kind of trickier things that are just because when the world economic forum and the globalists say you will own nothing and be happy they mean it um and they're leaning into that harder and harder every year yet we're getting smarter and smarter as well and more effective yeah i think we're going to title this episode how to be a legal cocaine supplier you're right right how would it move the first thing i just i just came to my head when we were talking about the driving thing then of course i had to follow up with with that do we need to have an intervention is there any different hey any of your service are any of your services applicable to people that are u.s citizens yeah so so equity itself is recognized internationally so the way that so the way equity works it's it's a challenging subject for me to pick apart in just such a short a short minute here but i definitely recommend people go into the fellowship become a general member it's complimentary and you could watch um edumentary that i put out last year called breaking the spell great great edumentary thank you thank you it's an hour and four minutes long it's an hour and four minute commitment to your life to help rewire start that process of rewiring how you see yourself within the system and how the system really functions and it's very inspiring and it's not designed to watch once it's designed to go over and over as you're learning so we have a lot of members that as we're going through their learning process they go back over breaking the spell and it really helps them break things down and that's as we were talking earlier how many times what books have you read three or four times in your life and it's that this is one of those documentaries that you watch and it opens those doorways as you learn yeah man no i we i really love that we watch we watch it together actually i think oh cool you could have a second career as a voiceover artist i think if you ever decide so i've heard that a lot in my life actually yeah not for real for real it was very very well done like the the production quality um just the way it's able to impart the message so coherently like it definitely hit me for sure so i do recommend it michael man anything you want to say in closing before we wrap this one up oh my gosh um anybody who watches this whatever doubt mechanisms that might come forward whatever fears that might come forward i absolutely assure you that you can do this you can learn this you don't have to go through 10 years of law to apply self-governance and the way that we've established the foundation for self-governance within the fellowship is that it's it's a way for you to put things into practical application while you're learning you don't have to go through all of the law and learn 10 years of law in order to apply to this and you don't even need to learn all of those things you just need to understand who you are and how you're placed in the system and how you can work within that system with a lot more power i assure you you can we have a lot of people that come through and they know absolutely nothing and as a year down the road as they as they have learned and put things into application it's astounding how they see life differently through the other side of the lens only after a year and some people do it sooner but you can absolutely do this and it is probably one of the most empowering things that you can not only do for yourself in your lifetime but you can do for your children and your grandchildren and your family and your community i love it man yeah and what is the exact um website that people need to get to sure um the easiest thing to do is to go to sacred honor ef dot com and should i put it in the chat or no we have it we have it we'll put it in the in the notes so people have it yeah yeah sacred honor ef.com it's complimentary to become a general member you've got some options you can become a um an active member and it opens up a doorway to a lot more educational information and then you can join some live calls and ask the directors questions and then when you're feeling most confident you can join any one of those pathways and start putting the self-governance into practice so it's designed to be the doorway is open for you to run through it to dive headfirst or to crawl and toe dip and gain confidence and awareness and move along at the pace that makes most sense to you and it's just full of support it's mostly about support supporting people through their journeys appreciate it man it's been such an honor to spend the last 90 minutes with you i'm glad to be connected and i think people are going to get so much value and empowerment from this conversation so thanks for doing you man i appreciate it thank you both thanks for the interest and thanks for the work that you're doing and because it coincides oh for sure yeah for sure let's do this brother yeah man definitely all right everyone else thanks for listening and we'll see you next time take care man really resonated um with michael for sure so glad we're able to get him on and have that conversation and i feel like people are going to get a lot out of that uh for sure man i mean for me it's definitely peaked my curiosity more so into how we can have more self-governance even in what it is that we do and again it's like education is so important it's like from the outset we first hear these ideas hear these things and it feels like you mentioned like there's just this huge barrier of entry into actually making these things applicable and practical in our real life but i think you know knowledge is power and applied knowledge is even more powerful than that so yeah well said um yeah i really enjoy the conversation and i just love just love the conversations and learning about an individual and their story and who they are uh and also seeing a person's commitment to the inner work you know you know that's what we're all about here and so great when you talk about applied knowledge well who is the person applying the knowledge and that's important uh and we talked about obviously in the episode so um yeah i'm excited that y'all were able to listen to this and can't wait to see what comes from it totally we've been having some pretty amazing conversations inside our membership community friends of the truth at the moment we are 75 of the way to our forever 200 member cap um we're up to tier three pricing now so it's 27 monthly which is still you know a steal as they might say um and we have 15 spots available at that price so if you've been feeling the call if you've been teetering on the edge it is incredible value to jump into this space be seen laugh receive wisdom from some incredible human beings previous podcast guests that are members natasha nasarali from our previous episode hosts a bi-monthly call we have monica bravo inside we have meli 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