Joel & Yerasimos Choose Your Tower and Climb It

Speaker A 00:00:01.680 - 00:00:34.010 All right everybody, welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. My name is Joel Rafidi and today we have a very special guest with us. He's the four times reigning backgammon champion against Joel Rafiti. You're Asmos Stylianesses is in the house. Welcome. Your arsenal first and foremost. What did it take to get to this point? The first ever four game winning streak in our relationship. And could you just speak into the kind of perseverance that is required to achieve a feat such as this? Speaker B 00:00:35.370 - 00:01:22.870 Well, I think Alex Honnold will understand what I'm about to talk about here. Well, first of all, I just want to commend you for, you know, being humble enough to admit that currently, you know, things aren't going as ideally for you on the backgammon front. But yes, you are correct. This is the first four match winning streak between us and I think it just, you know, it's, it's taken some practice but it's also taking an enormous amount of belief, like a belief in myself and the belief of what's possible. And also as we're playing too, like truly visualizing like the roles that I want and that I need. So, you know, using the power of imagination and just knowing, like knowing that the outcome is already here. And so I think there's been some shifts there. Speaker A 00:01:23.030 - 00:01:28.790 I mean, as they say, impossible isn't something that can't be done. It's just something that hasn't been done yet. Speaker B 00:01:29.750 - 00:02:04.150 There you go, you hit the nail on the head. And you know, sometimes it's always nice to like, you know, get a gift from your opponent when they make like one little tactical error or like a technical area error which, which helped me in the last match, but just feels good. I just feel like my Greek ancestors, you know, that grew up playing this game, it is a Greek pastime. Are, are super proud of me and I just want to keep that legacy alive and keep the lineage proud. And so, you know, I don't know when it's going to happen. I'm going to be going for my, my fifth match in a row and we'll see what happens. Speaker A 00:02:05.030 - 00:02:06.390 Nice man, very nice. Speaker B 00:02:06.630 - 00:02:15.210 How are you, how are you feeling on that? And, and what do you think needs to shift or change so you can kind of end this, this era of domination? Speaker A 00:02:16.410 - 00:03:29.400 Yeah, it's an interesting question, that's for sure. Self belief hasn't wavered, confidence hasn't wavered. It's interesting. I do find myself slipping and reverting to a little bit of a victim mindset in terms of wanting to blame the technology that we're using in order to play this game, as I do feel for some, for whatever reason that, you know, in person games do tend to, I guess, maybe suit my style a little better. You are, you are making me vividly question as to whether, you know, the power of your mind is impacting the quote unquote randomness of the AI roles. And so, yeah, it's an interesting thing to kind of navigate. So I think coming into the games, I do think I can reduce my error rate, that's for sure. But I also believe that I need to not be, not be diminished at times when roles don't seem to favor me and I need to have belief to hang in there longer and not revert to, I guess, blaming the tech itself. Speaker B 00:03:30.040 - 00:03:46.550 Well, well, if you're still actually watching or listening at this point, it's, you know, it says a lot about you and you're, you know, you're willing to grow and evolve and be humble and, you know, I think that's why you're a great man and I look forward to our continued battles. Speaker A 00:03:47.030 - 00:03:48.190 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:03:48.190 - 00:05:40.720 But anyway, anyway, like I said earlier, Alex Honnold would understand what I'm talking about. For those of you who don't know, Alex Honnold is probably one of the world's best. Someone make the argument the best mountain climber or not mountain climber, but like climber, rock face climber, rock climber. And recently, just two nights ago, he accomplished something I don't believe has ever been done before. There was a Netflix live stream of him climbing Taipei 101, which is this just magnificent building in Taipei that I believe is like 101 stories. And then there's like the spire and all that. And I watched it live. I believe you did as well, or at least some of it. And it was just incredible. I mean, he's someone that I've kind of been following for a while just because I really admire excellence as someone who's like a former athlete but definitely not a rock climber or like a professional athlete. I just value what it takes to achieve a goal and to become the best at what you want. And so he kind of kind of came up. His name would come up on the Internet and I was just fascinated by him and his life and his training and. And then the documentary Free Solo came out, I believe in 2017, where he was the first and only person to free solo El Capitan in Yosemite. So Free Solo for anyone that doesn't know is climbing without any harness, without anything, just you, your hands, your body, and a bag of chalk hanging from behind you. And yeah, watching, watching his climb of Taipei, even though the announcers were like, annoying, they probably could have Netflix. He probably could have did better on that front. It was incredible. Like, it's just like, oh, yeah, cool. I'm just gonna like walk up to this building, look up, and then just start like climbing. Speaker A 00:05:41.600 - 00:06:25.890 It's kind of ridiculous. It's kind of ridiculous. And like he just normalized climbing a building, you know, like real life Spider man. And like everyone's just there watching it and it's like he's making it look so easy, you know? But yeah, I mean, I'm with you in terms of valuing personal excellence and it's an incredible feat in my personal opinion. And you know, he had been thinking about it for 12 years. And the thing is, when you think about the power of like, visualization and self belief, like, he climbed that building like, who knows how many times in his mind. Every single, every single hang, every single whatever it might be. And then he executed. Yeah. Speaker B 00:06:25.890 - 00:08:27.610 And when you see him doing it too, it's kind of like, like if I was to go into the kitchen and like make myself a cup of tea, like, obviously it's not the best analogy, but it's like, but it's like he's just done something so many times, but it just sort of feels like he, like he gets up to like the top of the thing and he like, oh, look, someone's looking at me in the window. And then maybe he like, talks to the people, like through his whatever, microphone. And like, obviously there's intense level of focus and physical exercise, but like, he makes it look, you see, he makes it look easy because he's been doing it for like three, four, three decades, you know, and like he literally lived in his van for 10 years and would train. I remember seeing other videos of him where it's like he has his like, special equipment where he's like doing pull ups with his like, fingers and he's also like doing pull ups, just like squeezing things this way if you're watching the camera, like not like a normal pull up and he's not like a small dude. And like, like his grip strength, it's just, it's just wild to me. And it's so cool that someone realized at a young age that like, this is what I want to do. Like, he almost, he embodies the ethos of rise above the herd in the sense of I Know who I am, I know what I'm about, I know what I value. And I want to go after that and give it to the world just because I want to do it. Oh, I get paid now. Okay, well, that's cool. He said he would have climbed Taipei if he wasn't paid anything because it was something he wanted to do. And in a situation like that, it's cool that he's built up some notoriety because this would have never happened. Like, it's illegal to just roll up to buildings and climb buildings. Like it has to be sanctioned. And there was so much that probably went into it for this to even happen. So, like he just did this. You know, if you're a copycat, if you try to go do that or on another building, you're going to probably get arrested. Like, whether that's right or wrong, I don't know. But anyway, it's just, it's just wild to me. It's, it's, it's amazing and I don't know, I just like witnessing feats of human performance because it makes you think about what is possible. Speaker A 00:08:28.870 - 00:08:33.830 Can you imagine the collective trauma that would have been inflicted upon the millions of people watching, including kids? Speaker B 00:08:34.470 - 00:10:01.180 Yeah, well, they did a 10, they did a 10 second delay. So if anything were to happen, that it would be cut off. But then again, like the two or three thousand people with cameras that are watching and pointing up to the sky would have footage and it would be on the Internet in like a second. Just like the whole Charlie Kirk thing, you know. So I'm happy that didn't happen. I think he had faith it wasn't going to happen because he's, he's so good at what he does. And even just like I try to think about his wife, you know, his wife who was highlighted in the, in the free solo documentary. And they start, I think they were just started dating at that time, but it's been like almost 10 years. They have two kids together. Like, she's just there, like she's talked about it. She's like, I have to hold, I have to hold the field of like positivity and not bring any doubt into what he's doing, you know. So it's like, I think about that just in like totally having your man's back. Like your man has this idea and this mission and how he wants to live his life. And like, you have his back, you know, you're not there to beat him down. You're not there to see doubt into him. Like, you're there to Support him. And you also know, like, he's the. He's like, the best at what he does. So it'd be one thing if it was just like, I just was like, yo, Sophie. So I don't know, I'm so inspired by Alex's climb of Taipei. And, like, you know, I lived in New York City, so I think I'm going to fly back and I'm going to see if I could climb the Empire State Building. Like, and then, like, if she were to be like, oh, I totally. I totally believe in you, husband. Like, you know, it's not. It's not very rational there. Speaker A 00:10:01.580 - 00:11:46.740 Well, I mean, throughout history, you know, there is definitely a track record of great success being held and supported by, you know, great women. For sure. There's no doubt about that. There's something through the mystery of sex itself, which I think inspires, empowers, and can enhance, you know, success. There's no doubt about that. And, you know, one thing that was really solidified for me, you know, we had that community call with Friends of the Truth the other day, and we're talking about intentions and manifestation and things of that nature. But it's like the power of preparation, the power of definite, organized planning to execute on a vision alongside the vision cannot possibly be understated, you know, And I think this speaks to, you know, very much some of the pitfalls of the, like, oh, just. Just manifest kind of community. Like, more often than not, you're not just going to sit there and hold the vision and not doing. Do anything. And then your reality shift. I think reality responds to, like, a deep, internal, felt sense of what you're doing, where you're going and what you're bringing forth. And, like, it's so much more potent when the thing that you're looking to manifest or bring into creation starts to have the actual tone of reality within your system. Like, it feels within rage. It feels like it's there in the. In the ether of possibility, which is enhanced when one plans, when one organizes, when one prepares. Okay, I have this goal, I have this vision. What are the steps by which I plan to execute this vision? Speaker B 00:11:48.100 - 00:11:54.660 Yeah, what's the couple quotes that you say when you pray, move your feet, or when you move, when. When you move, God moves, or something like that. Speaker A 00:11:54.660 - 00:11:55.220 Yep. Speaker B 00:11:55.620 - 00:12:25.050 You know, so it totally aligns with that. And yeah, it is. It is incredible. You know, it is incredible. But again, like, in situations like this, or even, like, when you think about, like, a great performance on the. On the athletic field or even in a movie. You know, there's an amazing actor. Like, you just see the magic, you see it happen. You don't see the hours upon hours upon hours upon hours upon hours of grinding on your own, you know, riding self doubt, moving through challenges. You know what I mean? Like, you don't see any of that. Speaker A 00:12:25.530 - 00:12:25.930 Right? Speaker B 00:12:26.570 - 00:12:51.890 And that's, and that's just what it takes. And it's kind of really cool because when I watched Free Solo, I believe it was in that movie. And it wasn't another interview, but it could have been an interview where they highlight that like, you know, they did a scan on his brain and his amygdala doesn't process fear stimuli in, in the same way as probably a huge percentage of the population. So it made me think that that's. Speaker A 00:12:51.890 - 00:12:54.850 Was that a genetic thing or is that because he's exposed himself? Speaker B 00:12:55.090 - 00:15:54.480 So. So yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I'm gonna say. So it made me think like, well, it would be interesting if they did this test when he was 15, you know, before he started climbing. Because he talks about that, you know, he's like, I have put myself in so many positions and so many circumstances where fear is there, but it's like that saying in the coaching world, feel, feel the fear and do it anyway. Like, how many times has he been in a fear based state and he's moved past it? And even from a nervous system lens, which maybe not he would even talk about this way, but he's like consistently building capacity, building capacity within himself. Like I'm sure when he was like 4 years old, like climbing some little thing in his house. Okay, that was the first instance. Then he's 7, then he's 10, then he's 15, going to climbing gyms, constantly building, building, building, building. And I watched another recent, it was a clip that showed up on my Facebook feed where I don't know what it was from, but someone was interviewing him and he goes, it's so interesting to like see how triggered and how people bug out and have anxiety over like the littlest things. You know, it's like, it's like he was, his example, he was giving, he's like, yeah, I'm at the airport and like these people are freaking out because their flight is delayed a little bit. And I'm just like, yo, chill. Like you're in this, you're in this like temperature controlled building. You have food and water everywhere. Like, okay, you'll be a little late to your, to your thing. Like it's not that big of a deal. But again, like if you're someone that has literally put yourself in a position where you can die, I mean that's the potential outcome on countless occasions. Like how does that cause you to relate to like so many other little things that people make a big deal out of? And I can't remember what the exact thing he said. Maybe, maybe you'll, you'll remember. I don't know if I send it to you, but it was like if you, if you don't feel or expose yourself to fear in certain like ways, healthy ways, you're just going to like make up shit to be scared about. Like you're just, you're just going to be impacted by the littlest things. And you know, I mean I think about that too within me. Like, you know, where in my life am I comfortable? Where am I? Life is idle time, you know, I mean I feel like I have always a lot of things happening, but where, where am I not pushing myself and, and putting challenges and, and little and more stress into my life that's gonna continue to allow me to expand and grow. Now I think there might be differences between men and women around this subject. You know, Alex Honnold is a man and you know, how he goes about things may be different. That doesn't mean there aren't women climbers and women who align with that. But I just feel like generally speaking there might be differences in terms of how much challenge, how much fear you need to, you need to face in order to keep growing and evolving. Speaker A 00:15:55.360 - 00:16:00.000 Yeah. Are you asking the audience what is your proverbial Taipei 101? Speaker B 00:16:01.680 - 00:16:03.280 What is what is mine? Speaker A 00:16:03.280 - 00:16:05.600 No, what is, what is anyone who's listening, like what is that? Speaker B 00:16:05.680 - 00:16:06.760 Oh, what is your. Speaker A 00:16:06.760 - 00:17:43.100 Yeah, what is your, what is your tower? You know, and it's like, it doesn't necessarily have to be like some huge monumental feats, but ultimately this conversation that is beginning to be sparked around fear here is speaking into the electric fence of fear that is keeping you playing small, keeping you fostering a level of inauthenticity in your life like we always talk about and building the capacity to tolerate a little more stress and a little more fear can change the trajectory of your life in monumental ways. When begin to venture to places where previously have felt uncomfortable to venture towards. And I mean even in the whole context and schema of embodying one's deeper sense of truth, what are the things that you are tolerating in your life out of fear of speaking up, out of fear of being judged, out of fear of causing Cracks amongst the status quo, which is keeping you in a state of playing small, of depression, of uncertainty, of a lack of value. And I mean, we all have it. And again, like on my personal journey, like that deeper inner voice is calling you towards something which most likely on the conscious surface of things is going to feel scary at times. Yeah. What happens when time and time again you train yourself to move towards it, to embrace it? Like, is fear just random or is fear a signpost of a path? Speaker B 00:17:44.140 - 00:19:00.440 Yeah. And think about our recent episode that we had with Lucy Biggers. You know, she's talking about her story, she's talking about like being like kind of entrenched in like the climate dogma and being a climate activist. And then like slowly within herself realizing there's some things that don't make sense. But my identity, my friendships, you know, my attention that I get on social media or within my community, like, is based on this. And so, like, what, what is, what is going on when you. And I say this often, like when you go to sleep at night, right before you fall asleep in the morning, when you wake up, when you're just with yourself, when you're with your thoughts, like, what is happening, what is coming up for you, there's a reason it is. If you're feeling that angst inside, if you're feeling the anxiety, if you're feeling the contraction, there is a reason for it. You know, are there things that need to be said in your relationship? You know, are there things that need to be said, like with dear friends of yours or in your working partnership, Other conversations that like, you need to have with your parents because, like, you're not setting healthy boundaries or like letting them know who you are and where you stand and that their expectations and their projections on how they want you to live don't match the truth of who you are. Speaker A 00:19:01.800 - 00:19:03.000 And it's not totally different. Speaker B 00:19:03.080 - 00:19:15.560 You don't have to climb a mountain. You don't have to climb a mountain or climb a building. Sometimes you just need to pick up the phone. Sometimes you need to like, have a certain type of conversation. Sometimes you need to leave the relationship. Speaker A 00:19:15.880 - 00:19:16.320 Yeah. Speaker B 00:19:16.320 - 00:19:19.080 Sometimes you need to quit the job that you're miserable at. Speaker A 00:19:20.360 - 00:19:44.090 And most of the time, like, you are very much so complicit in the gatekeepers that you've planted all around you right through your, through your silence, through your compliance, through your lack of self assertiveness around the deepest values of your being. Like, this is a world that you're building by choosing to not assert yourself. Yeah. Speaker B 00:19:44.810 - 00:21:32.230 You know, like, there's data everywhere. If you're willing to look inwards, if you're willing to take responsibility, you can sit there and go, okay, this is my life. Why is this my life? Why am I in this relationship? Why am I doing this kind of work? Why do I live where I live? Like, what led me to this place now where I'm having this, let's say, dark night moment of crisis, which I think is, I mean, it feels like a moment of crisis. But ultimately, because I could think about personal examples from my life, it's like moments of deep opportunity, you know, it's a deep invitation to take a look at yourself and go, how can I kind of reclaim agency and ownership over my life and make certain decisions that are going to shift the trajectory, trajectory of my life that's going to impact usually everything and especially how you feel about you and how you relate to your external world, you know, and those are these, this is the heroic journey. These are the difficult decisions that need to be made. Now, for some people, they may be easier than others. We don't come into this earth everyone on a blank slate, everyone in the same starting point. You know, some of us are grown, are born into families where maybe there isn't a lot of love, maybe there is more neglect. You know, some of us are born into families where maybe there is some more financial security. But look all around you, there are instances where people who were born into like, love and everything and their lives turned out a certain way. There are instances where people were born with nothing and their lives turn out a certain way. What is that common thread? Well, there's a mystery there. There's some things we can't really understand, but outside of that, it's the individual and the choices that they make in their life. Speaker A 00:21:32.630 - 00:21:57.750 I mean, I know people that were raised very financially secure, very emotionally secure, and they feel very hollow in their lives today. And I know people who didn't have it and yet feel fulfilled and purpose driven and lit up, you know, so we're all dealt a certain deck of cards, so to speak, you know, and it's your job to play your cards accordingly. Yeah. Speaker B 00:21:57.910 - 00:22:37.020 And stop getting sucked into the compare and contrast game. Like, it doesn't mean you can't look for inspiration to others and see, oh, wow, that's pretty amazing. But ultimately your life is yours. It's very unique. These cards that you're playing are unique, you know, and so it's like, okay, so your friends value certain things. Well, maybe you don't. So what? Like fall in love with yourself and who you are and the things that you truly value and what you want to bring into the world and life you want to have. You know, you don't need to be Alex Hormozi, and you probably aren't going to be based on a whole variety. Speaker A 00:22:37.020 - 00:22:42.830 Of factors and I mean, what do you necessarily want to be? You know? Speaker B 00:22:43.550 - 00:23:16.880 You know what I mean? Like, you know, I mean, I think about that with me. Like sometimes I have a part of me that's like, you're osmos. Oh, why'd you stop acting? You could have kept acting and did all this and why'd you do. And I'm like, I don't know. I like my life. I like who I am. I love what we're building. You know, sure, we could build harder and stronger and faster and. Yeah, let's 10x by next year. Okay, cool. We do what we do. But I like my life with my wife and my community in my garden, you know, there's things that I just enjoy and even the idea of bringing a child into the world, like, I want to be there for the child. Speaker A 00:23:18.080 - 00:23:21.360 Is that, is that the actual voice of that part has in your head or. Speaker B 00:23:22.080 - 00:23:24.240 Well, is it just like high, high pitched voice? Speaker A 00:23:24.640 - 00:23:29.440 No, like, is that how it actually speaks? Like in that cinematic erasmos? Speaker B 00:23:30.480 - 00:23:39.230 Well, I would think so. I think sometimes I can be a little extra cinematic. But it is, it's like you're hearing it, you know, you're hearing the, the pull, the energy of it. Speaker A 00:23:39.630 - 00:23:40.030 Yeah. Speaker B 00:23:40.030 - 00:24:13.870 You know, and it's like. Because then it's like, it's easy to. Especially if you have a big inner critic, it's easy for you then to like, latch on to things and like compare and judge yourself. And I think we all have those moments. I know I do. But then I kind of have to slow down and tune in and just be like, what, what feels right? Like what. I don't, I don't need to have 7 million followers on Instagram, you know, like, but you also have to be honest, like, like where, like it's, it's, it's not as easy. It's like. But where can you push yourself more? Like, are you, are you coming from a place of resistance or fear? Like it's. Speaker A 00:24:14.110 - 00:25:55.930 But do you have a long term plan and a long term vision? Have you found something you're willing to commit a decade of your life to? Because so much of your values, your energy, your actions are going to orbits and be prioritized around a long term vision? Like, genuinely, the. The older that I get, you know, I'm only 35, but the older that I get, like, so much of the helplessness and the quiet desperation and the just general feeling of apathy that I see people experience is because there's not a long term vision that they're committed to and they're willing to build around. And I really think that's the most important thing, you know, and that's not necessarily to say that you have to know what your life is going to look like in 10 years, but are you willing to at least start painting a picture of? Here is. Here is a group of interests that I'm really passionate about that add value to other people's lives and let me formulate some kind of container or vessel that I can pour my unique group of skill sets and passions and interests into that makes me feel alive and enhances the quality of life for other people. Like, what other problems that you're most interested in solving? And then can you commit a good chunk of your life to becoming the best at solving those particular problems? Because we're like, we're creators. And another way to say that you're a creator is to say that you're a problem solver. Speaker B 00:25:58.090 - 00:26:18.340 Yeah, well said. I mean, listen, I know those of you that, like, listen to every one of our podcasts, like, realize that we say similar things sometimes and like, but these are foundational, core elements of creating a life that you are proud of. Creating a life where you look in the mirror and go, like, you know, I truly like who I am. Speaker A 00:26:19.540 - 00:26:48.810 Yeah, dude. I mean, that's. That's what it's about. Like, what else is there to do if not to perish in the pursuit of creating a life that you're genuine, that you're genuinely proud of. And this is like the crux of the kind of life that we're talking about begins with the refusal to live a limp, flaccid, half lived life. Like before. Speaker B 00:26:49.210 - 00:26:50.330 Before you can. Speaker A 00:26:50.730 - 00:27:18.980 Before you can commit to a life like this, you have to have a part of you that's like this. That when things feel hollow, when things feel shallow, when things feel like they're lacking vitality and lacking creative, whatever it might be, like a. Nah, this ain't the way. This ain't my way. Doesn't matter where I am. Let me, let me figure it out. Let me pivot, so to speak, here. Let me get. Finish it, Finish it. Speaker B 00:27:20.020 - 00:27:25.860 Well, I just can't. I keep thinking about, like, the visuals of limp and flaccid And I was like, I don't want that life. Speaker A 00:27:26.100 - 00:27:30.740 No, man, you know what I mean? We want to be real AF here. Speaker B 00:27:31.700 - 00:27:37.850 Yeah, we want real life, you know, and we want to live, live a life like lit up, man. Speaker A 00:27:37.930 - 00:29:00.220 But literally the metaphor, the metaphor is not far off. You know, like William Reich, to talk about like one's vitality being measured by, you know, the strength of one's ejaculation. Like in a real sense, like bio energy to him was that. I don't know how that would apply to, you know, women and I don't know how that would be measured in a bioene energetic sense from Reich's work in that. But it's like that sexual energy that is life force, that is vitality, that desire. What, what is your relationship to authentic desire? Rights. And how, how is that translated into the life of things that you actually want to pursue? Don't give up on that, you know, like, and this is like also the importance of keeping that little boy or that little girl close to hearts. Because that is the part of you that dreams that had visions that explored, that played, that solved problems that, you know, was in touch with imagination and with the faculty of imagination. And we go through lives and we're just conditioned and beaten out of us this idea that our desires are worth pursuing or that it's worth having authentic desires in the first place. Speaker B 00:29:01.860 - 00:29:54.810 Yeah. It's like again, I go back to like Alex Honnold. I don't know his life, but when he was like living in a van in his 20s, you know, like, I don't know, were there friends of his? Were there his parents? Were his parents friends? Like, when is Alex gonna get a real job? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I have no idea his whole story. But it's like, but you, but you just have that much belief in yourself and you're gonna do it. And I've talked about it in previous podcasts. Like, I mean, I had old friends that made fun of me, you know, because I was like, I left like, let's say my post college path. You know, I was living in my friend's little closet on the Upper west side, you know, like taking acting classes and like going, yeah, what's up? And. And then like, you know, spending leisure time that I had because I made some savings and saved my savings and. Or saved money to have them become my savings. Speaker A 00:29:55.180 - 00:29:55.420 Yeah. Speaker B 00:29:55.420 - 00:29:59.340 And then like spent time like to figure out who I was. Speaker A 00:29:59.980 - 00:30:00.380 Yeah. Speaker B 00:30:00.380 - 00:30:24.290 You know, because it's like on some level, like we have that like you said earlier, we have that, like, this childhood innocence, this wonder, this curiosity. We start getting, like, close to the things that we're good at, the things that we were into and interested in. And then it's like this, like, this. This social amoeba, you know, like with parents. Oh, my thing's moving now. Whoa. Like, my AI camera is doing some crazy ass. Hold up. Speaker A 00:30:24.290 - 00:30:30.010 Yeah, bro. Sorry, bro. I'm just on. I'm just on our website, updating your bio, and I'm just adding. Alex Honold expert. Speaker B 00:30:32.250 - 00:31:35.430 Yeah, man, it's amazing. But, like, like, it's like what I was saying is like, this, this. This thing, like parents, culture, friends, like, come in and just, like, just suck out this, like, almost the uniqueness or not or not even suck out. They, like, they like, bury it, bury it with this conditioning and this programming and these rules. And so, like, part of our job as we, you know, we get into our. Our late teens and our 20s and 30s and even beyond, it's like, how do we kind of just like, loosen up that the grit that has been built over time, you know, of just like, everyone's expectations, everyone's else's rules of how you should live and what you should do, you know, and that's what, like, midlife crises and all these other crises are. Is that, like, the power of the individual, the psyche so often is just trying to push through all that muck to come out and just connect with you again and to knock on the door of your essence, of your spirit and just be like, what the are you doing? You don't want to do this. Speaker A 00:31:36.390 - 00:31:36.950 Yep. Speaker B 00:31:36.950 - 00:31:45.970 Pick up the instrument, pick up the paintbrush, Start a business, you know, like, travel to another country. Like, what the. Speaker A 00:31:46.610 - 00:31:47.250 Yeah, man. Speaker B 00:31:47.970 - 00:32:04.610 You know, it's not gonna be easy. And it gets harder the longer you wait. And that muck in the. In certain parts just kind of crystallize and take hold of your apparatus of moving through the world. You know, it's. It's even harder. Speaker A 00:32:04.850 - 00:32:52.960 But I mean, this is. This is what the pursuits of divinity really is. This is what a divine life really is. This is what a spiritual life really is. It's like living a purposeful life. It's not apologizing for who you are. It's not relinquishing your unique curiosities, passions and interests. It's protecting the divine real estate that is your consciousness at all costs. It's not abandoning that. It's not disassociating from that. It's not detaching from that and saying oh, I'm just above it all and floating above it like some spiritual schmuck. It's none of that, like if you aren't actively curious about leading, living and bringing forth a deeply purposeful existence, you're not spiritual in my books. Speaker B 00:32:54.320 - 00:33:42.750 Yeah, I agree. It's just like you just like it's a false dressing. Like you just dressed up and you play the part, you play the role, but you know, how real is it, how grounded is it? You know, you don't, you don't. While you can choose to do all these things that look super spiritual, you know, again, I agree with you. I think the most spiritual thing you can do is like know who you are on the deepest levels. Truly your gift in this world and give that gift in the world, like whatever that is. And it doesn't, it doesn't have to be this. I gotta start a company. I have to invent something. You know, there are many people listening. Like I love like being a parent. I love nurturing the next generation of humans, you know, like, Exactly. I love my job. You know, actually, you know, I'm in the corporate world and I love my job. I enjoy it. Speaker A 00:33:42.830 - 00:33:43.310 Cool. Speaker B 00:33:43.390 - 00:33:56.350 Not everyone's meant to be an entrepreneur. Not everyone's meant to do xyz. That's why it's, it's a. It's a solo journey into the self of you getting very, very clear on, on you and what you're capable of. Speaker A 00:33:56.510 - 00:33:56.870 Yeah. Speaker B 00:33:56.870 - 00:33:58.110 And what truly want. Speaker A 00:33:58.810 - 00:34:51.600 Yeah. And I mean this, this is what it means to be a personalist is to be interested in the personal. Right. Doesn't matter what everyone else is doing. Doesn't matter what your neighbor's doing, your brother's doing, what your family's doing. Like your path is yours. Your path is unique. And for me to be interested in the unique emanation of my path because you know, like turn to, turn to the great myths, turn to mythology. Like turn to the hero's journey, turn to the, the Michael Meads and the Joseph Campbell's and come back to the recognition that your soul has a unique blueprint. There is a unique map that is inscribed only to you. And if that's the truth, if that's the case, if God divinely anointed you with one path and one path only that you can walk, then everything that is an avoidance of that path ultimately is blasphemy. Speaker B 00:34:51.670 - 00:35:02.950 Okay, enough of this deep stuff. Let's talk about Alex Honnold again. Well said, man. I mean, it's just like again, it can be easier Said than done. Speaker A 00:35:03.270 - 00:35:04.150 Truth, yo. Speaker B 00:35:04.550 - 00:35:28.490 Yeah. This is what it means to be here for the truth. And I just keep saying it over and over again. It isn't what is happening out there? What are all the things happening in the world? Like cool. That's part of it. But again, back to our OG episodes. Episodes one, episodes two, and we had a few other ones after that. Walking the authentic path. What is that? What is your authentic path? Speaker A 00:35:29.050 - 00:36:46.210 Like, we, we've been having this conversation through the broadest spectrum and variety of political landscapes imaginable. And the conversations out there by some of our colleagues and our peers and other people in the truth community and freedom oriented individuals. Like it's just always regurgitating and recycling whatever the political landscape tends to be at the time. Yet we keep having this conversation reminding you that it doesn't matter. The world is going to do what the world does. And in my personal view, it's all self correcting in some, in some level anyway. Like we're swinging across psychological pendulums which are objectified outwards onto this political atmosphere. Right. But through it all, think about how much time some people have wasted just continually commenting on the events of the day, the week or the month, trying to force their personal beliefs, force their opinions, force their worldview, whatever it might be that could have been spent actively grounding, bringing forth, creating, producing the pillars of greatness in one's life by pursuing purpose. Speaker B 00:36:47.010 - 00:36:47.490 Yeah. Speaker A 00:36:50.210 - 00:36:50.610 Comments. Speaker B 00:36:52.210 - 00:37:35.140 So which are our personal beliefs that we're, we're sharing and doing? But again, it's like what really matters ultimately? And in, and in other way and in. How are you allowing external things to really distract you and pull you away from the importance of everything that we're talking about in this, you know, world events, you know, the, the, the, the political group that you align with, the new event of the day, the social media algorithms, you're just getting sucked along. Just, you're getting, you're, you're, you're being moved by the wind of whatever's happening. And that's like, that's what's filling your psyche up. That's going to impact your, your thinking, that's going to impact your feeling, that's going to impact your relating. Speaker A 00:37:35.730 - 00:37:36.050 Yeah. Speaker B 00:37:36.370 - 00:38:13.660 On such deep levels. And again, I'm not a huge advocate of completely sticking your head in the sand and going la la la, nothing's happening. But you have to be the master of yourself, the master of your instrument. You have to truly understand what you can handle, you know, and again like there are people out there, like this is I guess this is their mission. But is it their true mission to like, fight against some things and like, ignore, Ignore spending time with their families, you know, ignore going after and building something within themselves. Just fight, fight, fight the external, Fight the external. Speaker A 00:38:15.420 - 00:39:36.650 And it's not to say, not to have, like, opinions, like I have opinions, obviously, you know, but it's like I constantly hear like, you know, people always, you know, the classic axiom of like, divide and conquer. You know, to me, like, divide and conquer, it isn't something that applies primarily to the collective. It actually applies primarily to the individual. Don't be divided within and conquer yourself. And when your attention is constantly split in all these different directions, you are divided within. When you lack purpose, when you lack ambition, aspiration, when you lack a definite goal, you are more prone to being divided within. When you have definite purpose, definite goal, clearer knowledge of who you are, you begin the journey of being able to conquer oneself. And I think we need to apply these things which we're so desperate to change in the collective and in the external out there, turn the gaze within and apply these things to ourselves. And only then, in my personal opinion, have you actually done something real to contribute to the collective. When you become more real, when you become more whole, more centered, more integrated, more clear, more definite in who you are and what you're here to do. Speaker B 00:39:37.930 - 00:40:14.860 Yeah, well said. You know, and I think then a lot of that noise in the external world and the polls, lessons, just lessons like you, okay, care. Part of you may care, you know, it's curious, but it doesn't just like hijack you. You know, you're standing on two feet as opposed to just kind of hopping from one foot to the other, bouncing back and forth, you know, like a feather in the wind. So, you know, it's like we keep beating the horse dead on this subject because I feel like it's so foundational and, you know, it's just something that is primary. Speaker A 00:40:15.320 - 00:42:25.990 Yeah, yeah, totally, Matt. And like, there's so many conversations happening these days about freedom and like, what is freedom? Boundaries, borders, immigration, you know, all of, all of that is coming to the forefront now and is being examined by a great number of eyes and ears and minds, etc. And yet I think about, you know, the close conversation of freedom as a. As, as it happens on a collective level. And I think about what freedom means to me, within myself as individual and for me as an individual, like, real freedom is not felt without constraints. At the times when I thought I was the most free, the most woo woo, the most, ah, I can just float around and do whatever I want and be whoever I want and all the rest of it. Like I didn't really feel freedom within at those points in time. Like freedom for me has felt most maximized in my personal life as I've gained responsibility, as I've gained constraints in my life. As paradoxical as it sounds, through becoming a co owner of a business, through being married, through being devoted to three beautiful girls, these so called constraints which have entered my life have ultimately led me to feel more free because I feel as though like my focus in terms of where I'm pouring my energy towards is becoming contained and also more potent in a way. I don't know if that makes sense or if you can add any color to what I'm saying there, but it's like when I'm just leaking when I was in the times in my life like 10 years ago and I'm just like leaking everywhere thinking, oh, I'm free, just bouncing around and floating around and you know, nothing really matters and the past doesn't matter and I can just be, be whoever I want, do whatever I want. I didn't really feel free. Speaker B 00:42:28.560 - 00:42:32.640 Hey, I hear what you're saying, man. I don't really have anything to add to that, you know. Speaker A 00:42:33.360 - 00:42:37.920 You don't? That's it? No, I don't. And this podcast right here. Speaker B 00:42:38.800 - 00:45:47.480 Yeah, well, you know, again, and just anyone listening really ask yourself these deep questions. And it has to move beyond this, a cerebral exercise. You have to open up your system to the depth of feeling that comes with the knowing that there may be areas in your life where you're betraying yourself or you're not honoring who you are, you know, what does that feel like? You know, if you see, if you notice that you're relying on habitual behaviors, substances, activities to distract you or to self soothe or to self medicate, you know, you have to really ask yourself why, you know, and what would your life look like? What would you feel like if you weren't doing these certain things? And it's up for you to determine, you know, what that is. You know, some people will be like, well, you shouldn't have that glass of wine every day after work, or you shouldn't have those two cups of coffee every day, you shouldn't smoke weed every day, or you shouldn't scroll on the Internet, you know, 10 hours a day, or you shouldn't fantasize on a regular basis about like things that probably aren't aligned with who you ultimately want to Be, you know, like, what in your life is keeping you from feeling the truth of your reality, of your experience? What would life look like if you weren't constantly distracting yourself? What would your. What would. What would come up if you decided to sit on the couch for an hour with no book or no phone and no TV and just be there with yourself? Could you do it? Would you keep fidgeting? Would you get up? Would you start opening cabinets in your kitchen and closing them and turning on the faucet and then opening cabinets and, like, just doing like this. Just like the. The grand duality of being and doing. You know, we live in this world of opposites, but being and doing is like this massive pair. And it's like doing, doing, doing, doing, doing, doing, doing. Great, cool, do things. But what happens when you just be. Can you. Is it painful? Is it stressful? Does it bring up anxiety? And then does that cause you just keep doing? Or reach for something that's gonna, you know, help you regulate something external? So, you know, I don't have all the answers. I have my own issues. I'm on this journey just like everyone that's listening. But it is the assignment of life. You have been given this gift of life, of vitality, of life force. You exist. You're here. You're aware that you are here. What are you doing with this gift? What are you doing with the gift of life? I mean, I just want to play more backgammon, you know, but. Speaker A 00:45:48.040 - 00:45:50.760 Play backgammon and read Alex on Old's Wikipedia page? Speaker B 00:45:51.160 - 00:47:35.030 Yeah, yeah. And hang out in my garden with my cats and dog, my wife? No, but, yeah, but again, it's like, you know, the whole concept of the eagle ideal, you know, like, what is the ideal? Like, who holds that? Who are these people? Like, you mentioned a lot of these great authors and writers and literature. Like, what are we. What are we flooding our minds with? Are we just, like, paying attention to these, like, people on social media, these influencers, these celebrities? And I'm not. I'll probably think our audience is present, probably just glued to, like, TV celebrities. But, like, who are the people that you're holding that are just, like, they're there for inspiration, not so you can judge yourself and go, I'm a horrible human being and I'll never be them. Or even, like, I have to be them. But just who in you. What are the great minds, the great thinkers, the great people from the past or the present that holds something for you that are holding up a mirror of what is possible when you get clear on who you are, what you value, what you want to bring into the world and feel that. And those moments when you feel inspiration, let it flood through your entire system. Those moments, indulge in it. When you do something different that goes against your internal status quo, that guides you to something pretty awesome. Can you sit with that feeling of like, ah, man, this feels amazing. And just let that kind of reverberate through you so it becomes more of the norm. Want to build that within yourself. You want to build what's possible, you want to build that capacity, you want to build that joy and that bliss inside of you. So it becomes like a baseline. Speaker A 00:47:35.910 - 00:47:36.390 Yeah. Speaker B 00:47:38.070 - 00:48:31.010 And that gets pushed out into the world and who knows what's possible for that from that. First and foremost, yourself, your family, your community. And again, I'm not to bring like human design in, but we're two generators, 70 of the population generators. Satisfaction, frustration, signature, not self theme. Are you satisfied? Truly lit up? Satisfied, Fired up. The work you're doing, the relationships you in, it doesn't mean you have to be that way 100 of the time. But generally speaking, the baseline. Are you lit up? This world will change. If the majority of the population which are generators, are truly lit up about the things that they do and what they want in the world and what they're bringing forth. That's just gonna again, be contagious. Speaker A 00:48:32.210 - 00:50:17.340 Yeah, man. Well, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, the ethos which has been echoed by many great minds of the past. You know, this idea that self concept is destiny. How you feel about yourself on the deepest levels, in the deepest recesses of your mind. What's happening in your dream state? What's happening in the moments before you sleep? What is that hidden mechanism of the reputation one holds with oneself in the quality of that reputation and the power of the quality of that reputation to create your reality, to create your life. How do you truly feel about you? And these are why these questions are so important. Like, where do I feel powerlessness in my life? Where do I feel helplessness in my life? Who do, who am I afraid of being judged by in my life? Who am I afraid of being criticized by? If I like, change my social media strategy or like make a post, you know, a creative post, or, you know, remember my past in a different kind of way. And I suppose so many people so often like that, you know, came through, rise above the herd and do our programs and all the rest of it, like the things and the people that are holding them back, the Most are, generally speaking, like, like the most non critical people in existence, you know, like a third cousin removed or like an auntie that you haven't spoken to in 10 years or a neighbor from like three layer three properties ago, you know, and it's like we give these people real estate over our lives each time we hold back, expressing ourselves on a deeper level because like, oh, what's this? Speaker B 00:50:17.340 - 00:51:26.620 What are they going to think? Oh, they're going to judge my post or what I share in my stories or you know. Yeah, yeah, like I just had someone come into my inbox like, who was like, I know Lucy. I can't believe that, you know, she's, she's, she's spreading a dangerous narrative, you know, and it's okay, that's your opinion. You can think that like, but it's just like, well, I'm not gonna share a post again because like this person that like was a neighbor at some point, like thinks like negatively. Oh no, I don't want her to be upset, you know, like, and this happened obviously when you think about 2020, I mean, the amount of friends that dissolved away, the amount of unfollows that occurred. Okay, cool. Like, you know, the more you step into who you are, the truth of who you are, and you live that and you express that your outside world is going to shift and change. We talk about reality creation. That's reality creation is truly honoring the self. Honoring the self and living from that place of honoring. And you know, some people may fade away, but then who fades in? Speaker A 00:51:28.380 - 00:51:30.220 Yeah, exactly. Speaker B 00:51:30.220 - 00:52:43.700 Oh, wow, Joel, you faded into my life. That's pretty cool. What has happened since you faded into my life and I faded into your life? Oh, there's some cool stuff happened. Look at all the people and friends of the truth, look at the people arise above her. And this goes vice versa. These people came into our lives. How, how have they been nourished and uplifted and vice versa. And it happens because you answer the call. You answer the call within yourself that something is missing, something is off. I don't want to live this status quo. I don't want to go through the motions. I don't want to remain in stagnation. I want to do something different. But what happens? Oh, you know, you're just a conspiracy theorist. You know, be serious. You know, you shouldn't just climb mountains all day. That just be like all. I mean, just think, insert like everyone listening, insert the things that you've heard out in the world that you've heard. Parents, teachers, things that You've read in books, read into, read in articles, you know, and it's like, you know, get in the arena. What's. What's the quote? Who is it from again? Theodore Roosevelt or something? Speaker A 00:52:43.940 - 00:52:44.980 Man in the arena. Speaker B 00:52:45.220 - 00:53:16.780 Man in the arena. You know, I even apply that to, like, the. The people in the truther, alternative world that's just like, you know, high and mighty, you know, that think they know everything about what's happening in the geopolitical space. And it's like you're sitting on the outside. You're not in the arena. You don't understand the depth of what's going on on some geopolitical stage. And it's so easy to be on the outside and go, everything's fake and gay. Speaker A 00:53:17.180 - 00:53:20.860 Just projecting your idealism and just chopping down anything that you know. Speaker B 00:53:21.820 - 00:53:33.740 You know, oh, okay, my idealism, which is nice to have ideals, you know, doesn't fit in the. The box of what reality is. And so then it's all. It's all bs. Speaker A 00:53:34.060 - 00:54:20.600 Yeah, the whole quote, it is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming. But who does actually strive to do the deeds, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends him in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievements, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat. Speaker B 00:54:22.120 - 00:55:42.610 Oh, my goodness. You mean it's like you could apply that to everything, you know, Like, I don't know that I have some opinions, but I don't know that's going on on some deep and nuanced level between nations historically, now, like, what's going on? Like, I could have. Again, I could have my thoughts on them, but, like, what's the arena I want to be in? I want to be in the arena ultimately of, like, living your best life of taking what you've been given, what you've been given by God, by existence, and making the most of it. That's where I focus most of my attention. Sure, I may throw some things out there about things that are happening in the world, but generally speaking, I know that I Ain't in that arena. Really? Yeah, just not so like, I need to check myself at times. There are things happening on such a greater scale that I can't even imagine to some degree. And like, just to like, just to like, just to label everything fake is like the most intellectually lazy statement and it just like bypasses you feeling and thinking something much deeper and nuanced. Speaker A 00:55:43.170 - 00:55:43.730 Yep. Speaker B 00:55:46.290 - 00:56:36.890 So, you know, again, mystery, uncertainty, it lies at the fabric of humanity, of society, of your own internal world. Can you sit with it? Can you be okay with it? Can you know the, the, the feeling of I don't know, of I don't really know what's happening. Do you have that capacity? This is the inner work. It's easy to point fingers, it's easy to blame, it's evil. Easy to make pronouncements and to be self, self righteous and to claim things because you're smart or whatever the case may be. But that, that subtle work of the inner world, of that dance between opposites, what is your relationship to that anyways? Speaker A 00:56:37.610 - 00:56:38.170 Wow. Speaker B 00:56:38.250 - 00:56:39.130 My soap box. Speaker A 00:56:39.450 - 00:56:52.840 I'm really glad I invited this full time back champion onto the podcast today. He's, he's pretty deep. Seems like he does have some to say outside of the field of backgammon. Stacking, stacking pips and stacking the quotes. Speaker B 00:56:57.640 - 00:56:58.440 Oh man. Speaker A 00:56:58.920 - 00:58:07.730 But you know, you, you know what I think about when you say like it's so easy to say everything is fake. I think about, you know, the John Go quotes, Iran at the shrugged. There are no evil thoughts except one. The refusal to think. You know, the refusal to think. The refusal to appropriately apply one's conscious mind onto reality and just. It's all fake. It's all a psyop. It's all a false flag. It's all conspiracy, it's all staged, it's all Satanism, it's all left wing, right wing, same bird. It's all that like, what if it's not? What if it's not? Yeah, what if there's a little bit more nuance? What if there's things that you don't know? What if there's. Yeah, what if there's a plan? What if there's like a divine orchestration happening? And what if we can't just go from like, you know, collectivism and government overreach into like this utopic libertarian idealism without any stages on that journey? Like. Speaker B 00:58:08.610 - 00:59:45.540 Yeah, well this goes back again to like projecting your ideal or the perfection unto reality, and then reality doesn't mirror back your ideal and Then you, you know, then you're like, okay, see, look, it's not. It's not the ideal. That means it's all wrong. Yeah, it's all fake. It's all the. The same old, same old, you know, not to say there aren't things out there that are fake, of course, you know, that are staged. But, you know, it's okay. It's okay to embrace nuance. It's okay to embrace complexity. You know, it's okay to also go, hey, I focus most of my energy on, like, what I can control, what I. What I can create. And, you know, I'm curious about what's happening in my world and what's going on there, you know, as opposed to like flip flopping one or the other. Don't waste your time at all with anything out in the world. Your thoughts create reality. Just think about this like it's. We're complex human beings again. Certainty, uncertainty, knowing, not knowing. What is your relationship to that? Anyways? Maybe we'll be playing a live backgammon match, live streamed at some point for our Friends of the Truth audience. So it seems that what that's. Speaker A 00:59:45.860 - 00:59:46.900 That's what they're. Speaker B 00:59:46.980 - 00:59:48.180 They're pining for. Speaker A 00:59:48.420 - 00:59:49.700 The stakes will be high, although no. Speaker B 00:59:49.700 - 00:59:59.220 One would want to watch it. Like, they're like, okay, great, we just have to talk the whole time. That's the only thing that would make it entertaining. As opposed to like, dice roll pieces moving across the board. Speaker A 01:00:01.140 - 01:00:38.540 Totally. I wanna. I wanna shout out a recent Rise above the herd testimonial that we received from someone who identifies as a secret agent. It says here he goes by Kenneth. We asked him, how likely are you to recommend wrath to someone? And he said 10 out of 10. Here's the thing. Are you convinced you're living your best life for real? What does your honest best look like? Are you there? What's slowing you down? What if those answers were within you? Take the course and fathom the quiet corners of your being. Take wrath. Thank me later. Rise and shine. Speaker B 01:00:39.340 - 01:00:40.220 Thanks, Kenneth. Speaker A 01:00:41.100 - 01:00:41.980 Thanks, Kenneth. Speaker B 01:00:42.060 - 01:00:42.540 You're. Speaker A 01:00:42.620 - 01:00:45.260 You're a great guy, Kenneth. You're a great guy. Speaker B 01:00:47.820 - 01:01:04.150 And if you want to meet Kenneth in person, he should be at Confluence in April. He was there last year. And we. And maybe by the time this episode is out, we will have our graphic and our discount code to buy tickets to Confluence. Speaker A 01:01:04.150 - 01:01:05.910 Well, we do. It's HFTD 10. Speaker B 01:01:06.790 - 01:01:09.030 Oh, is it. Are they. Is it active? Is it live yet? Speaker A 01:01:09.110 - 01:01:12.950 I think. I think it's active. We just haven't been sent out poster for whatever reason. Speaker B 01:01:14.070 - 01:01:26.720 Okay. Well anyways, again, for those of you listening, a few. A few months out is Confluence is a great event. I've been to everyone. This will be my fourth one. Joel and I are doing a workshop there again for the second straight year. Speaker A 01:01:26.720 - 01:01:27.200 Yeah. Speaker B 01:01:27.200 - 01:01:34.400 So really looking forward to that. And we should have a pretty solid contingent of our Friends of the Truth here for the Truth fam. That's going to be there. So I'm excited. Speaker A 01:01:34.880 - 01:01:42.880 Yeah, definitely be amazing to meet you guys at Confluence from to come through. We say it's a workshop, but really we're just playing backgammon live for 60 minutes. Speaker B 01:01:46.910 - 01:02:17.500 Also, we got to get Alex Honnold on the podcast. He might be too big now, but no, I think we could get him on the pod. So if anyone listening knows Alex Honnold, connect us. It'd be great to get into his personal story and his hero's journey and yeah, just talk about excellence and the desire for excellence and the. Just a desire for doing what you want to do, you know, doing what you want to do. Like sure, money is important, but like that sometimes it just comes because you're just so lit up doing what you're doing. Speaker A 01:02:18.940 - 01:02:23.060 Exactly, man. Exactly. All right, y'. Speaker B 01:02:23.060 - 01:02:23.820 All Right. Speaker A 01:02:23.820 - 01:04:04.500 It's another one in the books. Appreciate you. 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