Kenneth Soares Subconscious Programming & the Courage to Face Reality

Speaker A 00:00:01.440 - 00:00:01.800 And it's. Speaker B 00:00:01.800 - 00:00:04.560 It's Kenneth Suarez. That's the right pronunciation. Speaker C 00:00:05.040 - 00:00:09.280 Yeah, I say Suarez, but you said it perfectly. Good. Speaker B 00:00:09.280 - 00:00:41.920 Perfect. Kenneth Suarez is a hypnotherapist, NLP trainer, and advanced EFT practitioner whose guided meditations and affirmations have reached more than 100 million plays worldwide. His approach senses on self responsibility, clear boundaries, and deep inner work. He helps people confront and dissolve the beliefs that keep them stuck, reconnect with their soul, embody genuine self worth, and courageously follow their inner compass rather than the noise of the masses. Kenneth, welcome to Here for the Truth, man. Speaker C 00:00:42.880 - 00:00:47.360 Thank you, my friend. I'm happy to be here and honored. I've been a fan, so Speaker B 00:00:49.840 - 00:01:22.220 appreciate that, man. Interesting story, man. Like you've been putting me to sleep for 11 years or something, I would say. At this point, I remember I downloaded Insight Timer, might have been 2014 or 2015, and your sleep meditations were the ones that I just came across and ended up becoming attached to. And so your. Your voice has been in my ear at night a lot. Then I remember a few years ago, I saw your. You follow me on Instagram and I see your name pop up. I was like, that's a familiar name. That's a familiar name. And then, yeah, hit me where it came from. Speaker C 00:01:22.220 - 00:01:31.380 Yeah, that's awesome. I'm glad I can put you to sleep or help you in that process every night. Speaker A 00:01:31.700 - 00:01:32.260 Yeah. Speaker B 00:01:32.420 - 00:01:54.380 All right, everybody that's listening, just close your eyes now. Nah, dude. One way we always like to kick off these conversations with first time guests is we want to explore your personal hero's journey. We want to get deep, we want to keep it real. And so, like, how does this story begin in terms of the major rites of passage, some of those catalyzing moments that, you know, really evolved your path? Speaker C 00:01:56.380 - 00:03:11.080 I've been thinking about it. I haven't written down anything. I'm just like, I've been traveling a bit around and thinking about, okay, so where does it start? Because, you know, you have. You have things all the way back to childhood and maybe certain, not necessarily, you know, particular events in childhood, but just, you know, the whole process of, you know, growing up. And for me, having parents that were quite critical and very, you know, you know, for me, for me as probably as a soul that appreciated freedom even as a child, I. It was like, it was a bit intense. So I think that whole catalyst of where I am now, much of it has to do with the way I grew up in terms of, you know, being pushed to do things I didn't want to do. Having strict rules around things. And maybe also, I mean, I love my parents and we're squared up now, but it was quite intense growing up for me. Yeah, just a constant criticism. Not, you know, the feeling of, Speaker B 00:03:12.810 - 00:03:12.970 you Speaker C 00:03:12.970 - 00:04:12.170 belong to a family, but you don't feel connected or you belong to, you know, a group, but you don't feel that, you know, sense of. Sense of connection. The way that I know connection now is I can look back at it now and see, yeah, I probably wasn't met in the way that I needed then, and maybe that's. That's the way for all of us in some way. But, yeah, growing up. Catalysts. I had a breakup when I was 18. That. That's. In a way, I was. I was very attached to that relationship. So when the breakup came, it shocked me. And I had to go through the process of, you know, having the grieving and all of that and then finding myself in that. Because I remember realizing that, hey, I don't. I don't need to be in a relationship. I can stand on my own two feet. Speaker A 00:04:13.130 - 00:04:13.530 Right. Speaker C 00:04:13.770 - 00:04:36.680 And then. Then it went on to. The years went by. I met my wife. That definitely triggered something in me because that opened my heart. And I didn't know what opening the heart even was because I wasn't. I wasn't spiritual. I wasn't into anything that had to do with what I'm into now. I mean, the things we're speaking about here now. Speaker A 00:04:38.840 - 00:04:41.800 What were you. What were you into before? Like, what were you into? Speaker C 00:04:42.120 - 00:04:50.280 Music and partying. So playing music. Playing music. Actually, I would say that saved me. Speaker B 00:04:50.440 - 00:04:50.920 Yeah. Speaker C 00:04:50.920 - 00:07:51.780 Through the teenage years, just having music, all that. I mean, therapy for me, listening to music. And I remember just sitting in my room and just playing that music and just, you know, feeling. Yeah. The anger and, you know, the frustration and everything. And that music helped me to actually process that. I didn't know that then, but I definitely used music in that way. So met my wife. Weird things started happening in terms of. Suddenly I just started being, like, really open to things. And probably because she was. She was doing some acupressure certification at that time. She was doing. She was open. She showed me some astrology things, and I was like, hey, hey. I was open to everything, it seemed. But as years went by, I remember working. I was in the capital of Norway, in Oslo. I was working there at a company which produce antibiotics for humans and animals. So I worked in the department that created antibiotics for animals. And while working there, I just started. I don't know what happened, but I started becoming really curious about the whole pharma industry. And I remember diving into that. That was 2006 probably. So there wasn't much information out there, but when I started searching, I just found things and it was like, holy shit, what is all of this? You know, when you come across how things function in reality, in, you know, compared to what we're told. So, yeah. We moved to the west coast of Norway in 2008. I worked at a job. Typical story, well paid, secure. It was a. I was happy there, but I was also dissatisfied because there is something in me that just don't match with having someone telling me when I have to be somewhere, how long I have to be there, what I need to do, what I have to do. So I think that just. It just built in me. I remember working there, I remember. Just started reading about things, you know. Yeah. In terms of. In the. May be, maybe more in the nlp, hypnotherapy, you know, path. I don't know why, but I ended up. While sitting at work, I ended up signing up for a hypnotherapy course or certification course, a foundational certification course. And I didn't know anything about what that was, but I was telling myself I have to find a way to. To be able to have success in what I want to have success and even if I don't know what that is. But people are doing things that they want to do in life and I'm not. I mean, I'm. I'm good, I'm in a good relationship. Speaker A 00:07:52.500 - 00:07:53.060 I am. Speaker C 00:07:53.060 - 00:08:01.460 I have good friends, I have everything. But what's that? The dissatisfaction and probably the yearning for more freedom. Speaker B 00:08:01.620 - 00:08:02.180 Yeah. Speaker C 00:08:02.260 - 00:09:27.530 Financial freedom, time freedom, all of that. And when I attended that hypnotherapy course, Well, first of all, my son, my wife became pregnant right before or right after I signed up for that course. So I was also thinking, There is no way I'm going to carry my baggage into the relationship or into, you know, the fatherhood. Me being a father. Yeah, the fatherhood. So that was also a catalyst for me because I made that promise to myself in childhood even, you know, I'm never going to be like this if I become a parent. Never. So, yeah, when I went to that hypnotherapy course, like I said, I didn't know what I could expect. I've never been in any course or any workshops or anything. So I was really like, I was nervous. I mean, I didn't know anyone. But after that first day after that first weekend, I just, something just clicked into place. Speaker A 00:09:29.050 - 00:09:30.250 How old were you at that time? Speaker C 00:09:32.650 - 00:09:35.530 I was 32. Speaker B 00:09:35.930 - 00:09:36.570 Okay. Speaker C 00:09:37.930 - 00:11:17.390 And I just knew, I remember saying it to, to someone else at that, at that course. I just said, I'm going to work with this, this is something I'm going to do. And the reason why did I something clicking place. Well, because they started talking about the subconscious mind and started talking about, yeah, you know, things are programs. What you believe in is because of your experiences, what you've heard here and there, you know, from religion, from tv, from school, from everything. I was like, holy shit. That's right. And it was not like something I had to learn. It felt more like it was just of course, like, of course that's how it works. So when I knew that I was like, holy, there's work to do here and I can do it. I have, you know, I'm learning tools on how to do this. The second weekend we did eft and I didn't know what EFT was. I didn't sign up for eft. I signed up for hypnotherapy. But it was like a one day EFT thing. And that was so intense going through that. You know, I was, for some reason, I raised my hand. You know, the teacher asked, you know, someone want to do a demonstration? I want to tap on you. And then, yeah, I had a neck problem or a neck pain. And we started working on that and all those emotions that came up and the way they just came to the surface and the way, you know, the way you ask questions and the way you just move around and, you know, drill into the core of things, I just loved that. So, yeah, after that I was just 100% dedicated on that path. Speaker B 00:11:17.470 - 00:12:26.940 Yeah, man, appreciate you sharing, dude. And it's like there's something that's really sacred about dissatisfaction, in my opinion, because without that feeling of like, like you said, you know, why am I being told where to be and to be there for how long? You know, and basically just, you know, being spoken down to and how my day needs to go about. Like without that feeling of like, something isn't right here. Like, this isn't satisfying to me. Like we never really shift and pivot or explore into the other realms that ultimately lead us to the more satisfying path, you know, and it's like so often for, I think for like most people, they're in these dissatisfying roles within their life, but they're just trying to convince themselves and override. I'd be like, oh, just be happy. Just think positively anyway. Just find ways to like, just be. Be grateful for all of it, no matter how it feels. Just feel satisfied, no matter what. But there's something within that, you know, organic, constructive dissatisfaction which we need to honor to move on to something else and to guide us to the more fulfilling thing. Speaker C 00:12:28.060 - 00:12:28.620 I agree. Speaker A 00:12:28.860 - 00:12:29.420 I agree. Speaker B 00:12:29.500 - 00:12:29.980 What do you. Speaker C 00:12:29.980 - 00:13:51.340 Oh, you go, no, that, that's. That this is dissatisfaction. Me was from childhood as well. I was dissatisfied with a lot of things. So in a way, you know, I functioned well. But yeah, I could just see that there was a lot of dissatisfaction. And that was, that is also a catalyst. So there is something about moving away from what you don't want and also moving towards what you want and having that a good balance there. But definitely for me, the negative events was. They were triggering me to, to move forward to where I am now. Yeah, yeah. And in that, if I can, if I can add to that, let's say that you go through heavy trauma. It's not about. It's not about saying that those experiences were okay, but more like they happened and I grew from them. And I'm grateful for having that opportunity to grow from it, but I'm not grateful for the events themselves. There's nothing like, oh, I'm so grateful that happened. That's, that's not like that for me. It's more like they happened. And I'm grateful for where I am now. And I, you know, use those events to my advantage. Yeah. Speaker B 00:13:51.340 - 00:14:24.350 And that's, that's the key difference between like, acceptance of something and approval of something. Like, I can accept something happened to me which, like, affected me and impacted me, impacted me negatively. But I don't necessarily necessarily have to approve that thing, you know, And I think one of the, you know, misconceptions, particularly on what some people would call like a spiritual path, is like, you know, this idea of like, you're talking about just having to like, be grateful for everything that kind of ever happened to me. But I think that distinction between acceptance and approval is kind of important. Speaker C 00:14:25.710 - 00:14:25.950 Agree. Speaker A 00:14:27.230 - 00:14:28.910 Sorry, guys. I broke up there for a little bit. Speaker B 00:14:29.390 - 00:14:57.030 No, you're good, man. You're good. Kenneth, I want to kind of talk a little bit more and dive a little bit deeper into like, the subconscious. Like, what, what is the subconscious in your own words and, and how you perceive it. Because I feel like we hear this word a lot where, you know, as people go along this self improvement journey, this word is brought up a lot. This idea is brought up a lot. But like, can you speak into the importance of the subconscious in far as how you understand it? Speaker C 00:14:58.390 - 00:18:51.280 Yeah, as far as I understand it, you know, with the year, as years go by, you. You kind of expand the. How you view things and you open up to more. Maybe it's not completely like this. Maybe it's, you know. But, yeah, the subconscious mind. I see it as just the parts of us that are the realm which things are automatic, where things get programmed into behaviors, beliefs, experiences. So it's like a. It's like a database that just, you know, it just files everything. And then what's in those files will have an effect on our thoughts, our, you know, emotions, the behavior, the actions, the choices we make, and on everything. So it's kind of. You would believe, since it's part of the mind and probably connected to a more expansive wisdom in a way. If you think of just life, the intelligence of life or the wisdom of life, they say that the subconscious is connected to that or to hold the consciousness field. But at the same time, it seems kind of. It's very, very literal. So it's, it doesn't, it doesn't differentiate between. This is. This is good for me, this is bad for me. It's just like, okay, whatever you put in there will, with time, just become a part of that mind, that subconscious mind. Maybe we could say just call it the mind, a part of the mind. Or maybe it's the, you know, it's definitely the subconscious. I would say it's connected to. It's connected to the body, to the brain, to the whole system. So it's mind, body, energy, and maybe, I don't know. Is there a subconscious mind? When you ask me that, it's like, yeah, there's definitely a layer beneath the conscious level of thinking. There's definitely something beneath there. And that's probably the subconscious mind, also called the unconscious mind. So I would say, as I see it, the part of the mind that we're not conscious of but that we can become conscious of and that we can communicate with in the right way. And that's where, you know, that's why I have a thing with. With language pattern with, you know, using in the guided meditations, for example, when I, when you listen to me in this Getty sleep meditation. So I'm talking to the subconscious because the subconscious mind or that part of mind listens in another way. So words, the way I speak, I use hypnotic language, even though I call it guided meditation. But there's a way of, you know, sneaking around the analytical part and then just, you know, having the words pass by into the subconscious where change can happen faster. You know, if I use my conscious mind to change, I'm using. I also have to use a lot of willpower, which is good willpower. I think that is part of, you know, the ingredient of change. There is also. Can the subconscious mind be influenced in a way with words, in a way that it's programming itself to make the change easier? Certainly it is. So I think it's. It's a. It's a part of the mind that. That listens without our conscious awareness. So everything in environment gets picked up. I mean, that's why people get programmed by the news, get programmed by things we hear. Repetition over time. That's why repetition is used in, for example, the news in schools and everywhere. Because repetition seeps into the subconscious. Speaker A 00:18:52.640 - 00:19:14.940 Yeah. When you were kind of getting. Going down these, let's say, more rabbit holes and researching and figuring out how things were behind the scenes, was this something that your wife was hip to as well, or was this kind of a journey you guys have been on together or did it at all ever caus any type of, you know, disagreements? Speaker C 00:19:16.780 - 00:20:37.930 Good question. I think I re. When I went down that I started the rabbit hole thing. That was me. I went down things and I shared things with her, of course, because she was open to it as well. I was probably. I'm. I'm a bit more intense on things, so I'm. When I start something, I just, you know, like I said in the beginning, I'm dedicated to things. When I start something, it just tends to go a bit far. But I was, Yeah, I went into those rabbit holes, you could say. But let's, let's go further ahead in time then to, let's say to 2020, when everything happened with the whole scandemic and everything then. I mean, then we were together on it because then it was when we have children together, we had to, you know, navigate the who in the way best for our family, our children. So from their problem, we, you know, we went into things together and there's never been any disagreements or in a way, the only thing that we might disagree on is, or might, you know, point out is, okay, now you're spending a bit too much time going into stuff. Speaker B 00:20:38.480 - 00:20:39.760 Yeah, yeah. Speaker C 00:20:40.160 - 00:20:53.840 Because that can be. I mean, that can be a trap as well, in my opinion. I mean, it's. When you. When you do, let's call it research, when you go to. Into the rabbit hole. Rabbit holes, some of them are. Well, they're not light. Speaker A 00:20:54.159 - 00:20:55.000 Yeah, they're dark. Speaker C 00:20:55.000 - 00:20:55.760 They're not fun. Speaker B 00:20:56.720 - 00:20:57.080 So. Speaker C 00:20:57.080 - 00:21:03.040 Yeah, they're dark. There's something about, you know, having a balance there for me. Speaker A 00:21:03.850 - 00:23:35.750 Yeah, I love that you say that brings me up, brings up a memory for me, I guess. Now what is eight years ago? Eight years ago we were in Switzerland and my wife was working on her dissertation and she was getting into, and studying all about trauma and things related to that. And I was continuing my, my research, you know, just exploring different subjects, very curious about what was going on in the world. And of course, like you said, I was going through, I was being exposed to things that were really dark. And so my, my wife, my wife is working on her dissertation, like diving deep into trauma and research on the human body and touch. And I'm studying all this stuff and then we would go for our nice little walk in the mountains. That was her, her downtime. I'm sitting there wanting to share about all this stuff. Yeah, I remember we had this conversation. She's like, the walk is for me to relax. I know that you're learning all this stuff, but like, you know, it was, it was not the time or the place. But like you hit on something that's very important and something that Joel and I talk about. There is a journey with all this stuff. And I think that some people get stuck in like the doom and the gloom and needing to share the doom and the gloom and needing to beat people over the head with knowledge and convince people. But like what is after that? That at some point you come to this realization. Acceptance. Acceptance to some degree because we don't have control over a lot of this stuff that we delve into and we, we, you know, want to expose, let's say. But then it's like, but where do you spend most of your time? You, you're married, you have a family, you're growing a business. And so there has to be that balance. Sure, maybe not completely stick our heads in the sand. It's good to have awareness. But I, I find that now more people are kind of moving towards and speaking about this idea of like creation and what are you building and what are you focusing on as opposed to just giving more and more energy to these so called dark things. And I know it's a place where I'm at now. Sometimes I have a part of me that comes in, it's like, what do you mean you're osmosis? Why aren't you, why aren't you studying more and why aren't you like posting 47 times a day on social media. Like, what do you mean you're just going to be in the garden and hang out with your cats and then, like, do some stuff with Joel online? Like, come on. And I'm like, yeah, I think so. I think that's. That's what I'm gonna do right now because it feels pretty awesome and pretty amazing and I like the way my system feels and. But, but there's. Speaker B 00:23:35.750 - 00:23:36.030 But. Speaker A 00:23:36.430 - 00:24:03.960 And I think it's provided me some compassion because I understand people are on their own journeys. So I also don't want to get caught up and go, oh, look at these people that are. That are just like, you know, doing this, that, and the other, and posting all the time. Which I can. I can definitely come from that place. But I think sometimes I'm like, listen, everyone's doing what they're doing. I don't know what their unique journey is. I just know this is where I'm at right now, and I think this is what ultimately matters. At the end of the day, in my opinion, Speaker C 00:24:06.120 - 00:27:07.220 my time and energy is my most valuable assets. You know, I'm protective of them. You know, where do I spend my time and where I spend my time, my energy flow sensor. So, you know, for me, I agree with you, Rasmus. It's like you. If it feels good to be in the garden playing with your cats, then, well, that's a good thing. That's the balance thing. You know, we have to. In the end, it's like, okay, these things are happening and they've probably been happening for thousands of years, and there's probably not even. This is probably not even an earthly issue. There's probably some connections to other things, so we could go into that as well. But I mean, what can we do? Well, I'm certainly not going to. I'm certainly not going to allow my time and energy be wasted into, you know, go too deep into things is probably a trap in and of itself, you know, in terms of distracting us into settling into ourselves, connecting with ourselves, focusing on things that are important in life, focusing on things that strengthen us, builds us up, have things that have a positive effect in our surroundings. So, of course it matters where the attention goes. If I put too much time and attention into something that is going to take away from other things. And for me, I do have a thing with becoming too focused on something. It's like if I make music, create music as well, I. I just create this bubble around me. So it's. It's difficult for me to actually be present If I'm way too deep into something. So for me, I. I need. I have internal boundaries, which I must have to protect myself a little bit from, you know, not getting too caught up in things. Plus, nowadays it just feels like either. Either people just ignore that we do live in an upside down world, everything is inverted and all that, or they're becoming a bit too intense about it, which is both of them are imbalances in a way. So having knowledge about things, but then using that knowledge to our advantage to take care of ourselves and our families and build communities, you know, build. Build tribes of people, networks of people, connections that. That have the same values and standards in terms of knowing, you know, what's going on to a certain level and then creating from that place because those things are showing us in a way where we don't want to go. Speaker B 00:27:07.700 - 00:27:08.260 Yep. Speaker C 00:27:08.900 - 00:27:11.140 And for me, that's. Yeah. So. Yeah. Speaker A 00:27:11.540 - 00:27:12.100 Thank you. Speaker B 00:27:12.580 - 00:27:13.060 Sorry. Speaker A 00:27:13.860 - 00:27:25.380 Well, I just want to say real quickly, first of all, well said. What do you, like, how do you notice within yourself, like, what are the signposts? Whether it's in the past or even now, you know, because it's. Speaker B 00:27:25.700 - 00:27:26.260 It's always. Speaker A 00:27:26.260 - 00:27:47.540 I feel like it's always a dance, you know, how do you notice, like, okay, I'm a little too intense right now. I'm feeling imbalanced. Maybe I'm not spending enough time and attention on the things that I know deeply. I value more. Like, what is the, like, somatic experience? Or even just even from a mental place like that. You go, okay, it's time to regroup and reassess. Speaker C 00:27:48.260 - 00:28:57.840 Yeah. Several things come to mind. You. You said you asked somatically. For me, it's more in the mind first, but I have external cues. My son usually asked me, so what are you doing now? What are you so focused on now? But that can be anything, you know, just as long as I'm in that bubble and my wife as well, I. I can sense that kind of. Yep. There might. Might, you know, a disconnection, and she gives me. She doesn't always say it verbally, but, you know, you. You learn to pick up cues and it's like, okay, oh, shit. Yeah, maybe I need to rebalance a little bit and slow down a little bit. But for me, this is everything that takes my focus. I just have to be careful in my body. I can just become. If I tune into my body somatically, it's just a more heavy feeling. Like feeling a bit drained is like, almost. Especially if you go, let's say going down rabbit holes At a certain point, it's like, okay, yeah, this. I. I need. I need a break. Speaker B 00:28:57.840 - 00:28:58.160 This. Speaker A 00:28:58.640 - 00:28:59.520 I'm tapping out. Speaker C 00:29:00.560 - 00:29:43.050 This doesn't feel good anymore. And it doesn't have to be that the information is really negative, but it's just. It can be like an overload in the end. And I can handle. I have a capacity to handle a lot. But there comes a point anyways where it's just, okay, I'm too far off now, so I need to rebalance. And it's also about creation for me. I like to create things. If I. If there's. There's a time for studying and there's a time for creating, and I need to. There needs to be a balance there. I'm not just going to consume. I need to produce something. So I. I need. I. I want to have more in the. On the producing end, on the creational end, than on the input end. Speaker B 00:29:44.070 - 00:30:28.610 Yeah. Yeah, man. I was going to say the exact same thing. When you're asked, Must ask the question. It's like reality is going to give me the feedback straight away. Especially, like, in the energy I sense coming from my wife or coming from my family or coming from within the home. Like, that's where the signpost is primarily, where it's like, okay, hang on. What's. What's really happening in terms of how you're prioritizing your time right now? Because that, that disconnect shows up in subtle ways, which ultimately can have, like, pretty, you know, large ripple effects that last for, like, days or weeks or whatever it might be. When you shift that energy in subtle ways, when you're a little bit more just disconnected, when you're a little less present, when you're a little less attuned, you know, it's the emotional reality of what's happening in your house as well. Speaker A 00:30:29.090 - 00:30:54.780 I. I remember in 20. In 2020, like, right when it started, I was on my phone, like, 10, 11, 12 hours a day. Like, I was on my phone talking to all, like, my conspiracy homies and stuff. And, and my wife at some point was just like, yo, what's up? And I could just feel it. And I, and I, and I. I think for me, what did it. All of a sudden, I had three massive headaches three days in a row. I was like, okay, I need to chill. Speaker B 00:30:54.860 - 00:30:55.260 Yeah. Speaker A 00:30:55.260 - 00:31:49.900 And so I, like, stop. My wife and I just sat on the couch and watched, like, light TV shows for a while. I was like, oh, wow, this is so nice. Life is great. I feel amazing, you know, and then at that time, which was really good for me, I had some men in this men's circle. They were. They put together a small group where we're like, we're gonna get on Zoom every morning at 6am Monday through Friday for 45 minutes. And then I decided to join them. And so I was getting up, you know, 6am 45 minutes, you know, several men coming together, being like, hey, what are we focusing on? How can we take care of ourselves? What are we building? And that was kind of. That got me out of that initial of just like, I need to know everything that's going on, what is happening? And it brought some balance to me, and it just. But you have to go through that. You need to get the data. You know what I mean? It's like you get the data, and then you realize, okay, this is an ideal for my relationship. This is an ideal for my family. This is an ideal for my mission, you know, but then have the. The ability to Then shift and pivot is what's important. And the difference. Speaker C 00:31:50.540 - 00:32:26.380 Yeah, for sure. And also. And also. Actually, I think there's a lot of people diving into things that. That aren't necessarily built to handle it. You know, my. For example, my wife, she's very sensitive. So we talked about this some days ago. It was like we. There were some things we. We saw and read about and talked about a couple of years ago. And it's like I told her, well, you probably shouldn't. You probably didn't. You know, you should have stayed away from that because. Speaker A 00:32:26.940 - 00:32:27.500 Yeah. Speaker C 00:32:27.820 - 00:33:04.640 Yeah, I think. I think it's affecting you more than you. More than you know, and it's. It's. I think it can tear down the system as well. Let's say you have. Let's say you have immunity, and you have a capacity to hold a lot of things. And, you know, but even then, you have. I. I had to work myself. It triggered a lot of things in me. And I'm talking about. We're talking about rabbit holes, but, you know, just. If we go into things happening and. And we're talking about dark, then. Well, it does. Has. It does have an effect on. On our system. Yeah, of course, man. Speaker B 00:33:05.120 - 00:33:38.130 And it's like the deeper you go down, the more you tend to make associations, even coming back to the subconscious realm all around you. Like, okay, you become interested in the car. You start seeing that car. Anyway, say you start diving down a certain rabbit hole about, you know, some brutal, heinous shit going on. Then all of a sudden, you start making connotations and connections to everything that's going around you. Every piece of news, every new event, every. And like, that. The meme of like just your life constantly being this, this board of connecting dots that might not even exist becomes a reality, you know? Speaker A 00:33:38.130 - 00:34:07.690 Yeah. What lens do you see the world through? Yeah, you know, like you're filtering experience that comes in through what. And so if you're, if you're coming from the part of you that's like, oh, everyone's out to get us, this world is 100 inverted and everyone's satanic, like, you're gonna see that more and you're gonna judge that from that place as opposed to, wow, I'm building, I'm. I'm creating. Like, life is amazing. Life is beautiful, you know, so again, again, it comes back to the balance because I like to have awareness, but then to a certain point. Speaker C 00:34:08.490 - 00:34:19.530 Yeah, yeah. And it's about being able to, to know about something and then don't let. Not letting it, you know, affect you to the degree where you just become. Speaker A 00:34:20.090 - 00:34:43.590 Yeah, and you said, and you said something really important because it's like everyone, everyone, but we're different. And so some people have more capacity. So it's, it's. It falls under the umbrella of self knowledge. If you know that you're more sensitive, if you know that your nervous system doesn't have the capacity for this. And like, what are you doing exposing yourself constantly to this stuff? Speaker C 00:34:43.830 - 00:34:46.470 Yeah, it's like, I think it's a bit addictive, actually. Speaker B 00:34:46.710 - 00:35:48.850 Yeah. It's its own self. Own form of self sabotage, you know, for sure. Especially when, you know it's bad for you particularly. I want to ask you guys this question, and I know you guys have been, you know, researching and going down these rabbit holes a lot longer than I have. For me, you know, like 2014, 2015, I really started getting, you know, deeper into some of this stuff. But it's like back then I was really, really, really, like, interested in it. You know, again, like your ASMR said, feeling the urge to inform everyone, let everyone know, do my job, to expose as much as I can. But now I sit here today in 2026, and it feels like it's become a sport for the masses. And there's just a part of me that's like, you know, when as soon as a large group or there's mass gravitation towards these rabbit holes and these ideas which I was exploring, what I felt back when I was kind of super niche, like, there's a part of me that's Like, I'm over this. There's too many people that are circling around this now. You know, like, it's lost that whatever it might be, you know, it feels like it's old news almost, because it Speaker A 00:35:48.850 - 00:36:38.730 is to some degree. You know, like, once something gets let taken on by the masses, it's different. It has a different quality to it. But yeah, I think, you know, Kenneth and I were kind of in the same realm in terms of when we started being exposed to some of this stuff. You know, mine was right after 9, 11, but like, majorly with the pharma stuff. It was 2005, 2006. But again, back then it wasn't as popular. You know, there weren't as many people to talk about these things. But yeah, I just, But I think again, because it's coming from a, like, for me, it's coming from that place of I've gone through this process, I've gone through this journey. This doesn't matter to me as much anymore. So then you're seeing it matter to larger groups of people, and you're like, okay, I'm happy that you're doing this, but it doesn't matter to me. So, like, I can't relate in the same way. Speaker C 00:36:39.210 - 00:37:04.100 Yeah, I was actually from, from 2010 to 2018, or especially maybe 2012 to 2018, I was a bit into the new age realm, so I was, I was ignoring things. I didn't want to put any attention on it anyway, so I had a good, a good break there until 2020 came. Speaker B 00:37:04.100 - 00:37:04.540 Boom. Speaker A 00:37:05.020 - 00:37:05.420 Yeah. Speaker C 00:37:05.420 - 00:37:13.740 But I was like, holy now, you know, now it's, you can't even ignore it now because, yeah, it was, it was there in our face. Speaker B 00:37:14.220 - 00:37:23.180 That was a good time. That was a good time, man. I, I, I was in a similar phase during a similar period. It felt good just to be flying above it all for a while it was. Speaker C 00:37:23.180 - 00:37:25.500 And then it had, Someone had to ruin that. Speaker A 00:37:27.660 - 00:37:45.580 What do you think is the, because you bring up the new age, and obviously it seems more and more people are, are wearing the costume of spirituality, saying the right things, reading the right books. Like, what do you think is the, the main issue that you see in different spiritual communities around the Around. Speaker C 00:37:45.580 - 00:37:45.860 Yeah. Speaker A 00:37:45.860 - 00:38:00.090 Around the world that seem to be like, you know, performing spirituality as opposed to living it, whatever that means. And even for you, can even explain and define to you what does it mean to live spiritually? Speaker C 00:38:01.370 - 00:40:01.820 For me, to live spiritually is to be yourself and live on the right side of what is good, with moral integrity and with, and wanting to Know what actually that is. And wanting to know what truth is, not just what feels comfortable. Because if you. In my opinion, if you walked a spiritual path, you will not. You will have to meet yourself and you will have to confront yourself and all that shit you're carrying, you know, the baggage you have. So I think the problem is that the popular spirituality sees things that you can just override, that you can just, you know, think positive and it's all good, but it's not all good. You know, you can do whatever you want with that. You can. You can probably override your negative stuff for a while, but it will seep through, it will come through in some way because it cannot be neglected. So I think people say, you know, raise vibration. So let's say. Let's say you're. Let's say you're. When you work on yourself, you raise up the levels of your energy, because I think the more connected, authentically connected you become to yourself, to your essence, the more your energy raised in some way. I would say, let's say we come in with a. With a frequency of energy, but the more we clear things out, the more integrated we become, the more it raises up. But the more it raises up, the more things will light up as well in terms of shadows and things we need to look at within ourselves and in the world. So, you know, for me, in terms of talk, since we're talking about 2020 and. And from that time, I was really. I was actually disappointed about how many people that call themselves spiritual that just fell for everything and. And didn't. Didn't stand up for themselves. And then, you know, they just, you know, ran and took the shot. And I want to travel. Speaker A 00:40:01.820 - 00:40:02.340 I'm. Speaker C 00:40:02.340 - 00:40:36.030 I'm helping people. I'm listening to my intuition and people that I know that I never. I mean, it's. I don't want to, you know, judge them for making their own autonomous decision. It was their choice. But, yeah, honestly, I was a bit set back by. I thought that being spiritual meant standing up against things that are wrong. I didn't think it was just going along. But of course, there's. There's so many. There's so many aspects to this. Speaker A 00:40:36.030 - 00:40:36.550 I know. Speaker C 00:40:37.270 - 00:40:46.770 And people were talking about just. I follow my. My intuition is telling me to get the shot, let's say, as an example. And it's like, are you sure that it. Speaker B 00:40:46.770 - 00:40:52.090 I think. I think that shit's broken. Sorry, buddy. I think that's. I think that thing's broken. Yeah. Speaker A 00:40:52.090 - 00:40:52.690 But people. You. Speaker B 00:40:53.250 - 00:40:57.410 He's saying, like, Their intuition, I think if their intuition's telling them to get the shot. Speaker A 00:40:57.970 - 00:41:14.350 Yeah, like, like. And again, even in that world, in that community, it's like, well, spirit told me I should take this intuition. Like, it's like these words that, that people use to justify decisions that are coming from maybe self sabotage or fear or uncertainty. Speaker C 00:41:14.670 - 00:42:28.260 Yeah, yeah, I noticed that. And that was my. I had discussions with people about this and it was obviously me that was ignorant. So I think that the whole problem is the avoidance side of it because it feels good to be in like that floaty, drifty state. You know, I just meditate two hours a day or I listen to a guided meditation. So I'm all good. I'm doing the inner work. I listen to some affirmations today and I'm thinking positive thoughts and you know, I'm doing this or that. I'm, I'm sending, you know, doing some mantras and doing yoga and praying to this deity and yeah, so I think there's, like you said, performing, there's so much performance, but I don't think that being spiritual is about performing anything. If it is, it's about performing for yourself in terms of really confronting yourself and living, as I said, make having an. Intentions. Intention to live in harmony with truth, objective truth. In terms of what is reality, who am I? What am I doing? What is my mission? Speaker B 00:42:28.660 - 00:42:28.940 What. Speaker C 00:42:29.170 - 00:42:54.370 What am I here to do? I mean, it doesn't need to be something grand, but it's more like. Yeah, in that realm, it's not to avoid what's, what's painful. I mean, this sounds cliche because there's probably thousands of people explained this to you before, so. But you're asking me. So in my, in my case, from my view, it's. The problem is the avoidance of reality. Yeah, yeah. Speaker A 00:42:54.540 - 00:42:55.740 You're speaking our language, man. Speaker C 00:42:55.980 - 00:42:57.260 Which is, which is, which is the Speaker B 00:42:57.260 - 00:43:27.670 roots of like poor self esteem, you know, because self esteem asks us to develop a friendly relationship with facts and a friendly relationship with reality. And it's only from that state of equilibrium where I see, I can see reality clearly for what it is. I feel appropriate to life, I feel appropriate to reality that our self esteem has a proper foundation to raise from. But the moment we ignore, deny, avoid reality, whether it's internal or external, then there's this foundation of self esteem completely crumbles. You can't build upon that. Speaker C 00:43:29.590 - 00:45:37.730 There's also, I think another issue is lack of knowledge or lack of accurate understanding of, for example, how our mind works. Yeah, you know, how, how are we programmable. I mean, I just think about that little aspect of whatever you repeat over time becomes a program that you believe in. And people cannot distinguish, most people cannot seem to distinguish between this is what I believe versus what is, what is the truth, what is the fact here? What I believe is the truth, but it's a subjective perception of something that might be close to truth or far away from it. You know what I mean? What we will be, what we believe might be. Well, some of it might be very close to objective truth, reality, and some of it might be far off, but it feels true for us. And I think that's the problem. If something feels true, then it is true. I had a post, I had a post on Instagram and it said the first slide said, even if something feels true doesn't mean that it is true. And that post didn't get many likes, not many people like that one. And probably because it's provoking, because, hey, go with what you feel. Everything that feels good is good. No. Well, some things you do feel good. It can feel good, but it's not good for you and it's not good for people around you, you know, so what feels good isn't necessarily what is good. So there's a lot of these misconceptions that I think is the problem and is the reason that I, you know, just didn't, I didn't find any enjoyment in, in being in that realm anymore. Because, you know, the whole New age thing, I just felt it got worse and worse in terms of. I'm all for spiritual or positive thinking, of course, resourceful thinking, solution oriented thinking, optimistic thinking, but when you use that to just, you know, yeah, is this just. Speaker A 00:45:37.730 - 00:46:30.190 Yeah, that wasn't my world exposed to it, on the fringes of it. But, you know, and this is the issue, you bring up knowledge. Like people that jump straight into spirituality without an understanding of like the subconscious of the architecture of the psyche. I think that's where things get quite dogmatic and can get dangerous, you know, and so it's like, sure, you know, adopt some of these spiritual principles that are powerful, but like, I feel like there needs to be a foundational understanding of knowing who you are, knowing, knowing, you know, understanding your physiology, understanding the makeup of your, of your mind. I think that's important. But I think a lot of people don't have that foundation. And then it's like, oh, I just read this book and I'm just living in the moment and love and light and positivity and no judgment. And it's like, you know, like you said, it's something's going to come back to bite you in the ass in the future if you're coming from that place. And I've just seen it over time and time again. Again. Speaker C 00:46:30.430 - 00:48:08.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something about the Pacific. You become passive to things that you should actually be aware of and, and maybe speak up against and, and, and do something about. So. Because it's negative. It's too negative. It's too, you know, and it's also, I think for me it's like the, the whole, that period of my life was stepping stones towards where I am now anyway. So for me it was like just a part of the journey. And I think it, it is good for me because when I talk about bypassings, even though I don't even like the word spiritual bypassing either because it seems like to be more and more overused now, but the, the whole avoidance, avoidance thing in spirituality, when I talk about it now, I feel I can talk about it from also coming from that place because I've been there in a sense on some of those things, some of those beliefs. And I can view it from a different point of view now. You know, it just a different perspective, been there and then walked around it, you know, researched it, investigated it, felt in, tuned into it and decided that, okay, this is actually not, this is not, this is not a belief that is supporting me in the long run. This, this whole thing is, you know, I'm done with that now. I'm moving on. So it's not necessarily negative. Maybe people in that New Age communities, in those New Age communities are also under stepping stones towards something else, something more whole and something more real, for sure. Speaker B 00:48:08.580 - 00:49:09.510 And I mean, this is where discernment is such a uniquely individual experience and something that can only be sharpened and refined through experience and over time. And like I said, it's an individual process. Like for you, you immerse yourself in the thing, you do the thing, and then all of a sudden the signal from within starts asking some deeper questions about what is actually good for me in the long run. What are the real fruits of these beliefs that I'm choosing to adopt in my life day after day after day? And so you make ultimately the choice to extricate yourself from one set of beliefs and then ask yourself, okay, what are more correct ideas based on my personal individual values, goals, etc. You know, and so like the real path of truth, the real quote, unquote awakening path for me is always an individual process. And so whenever we find ourselves gravitating or trapped towards a group idea or a group set of beliefs or group aesthetics, whatever it might be, like, listen to that inner voice. It's like, hang on a second. You know what else is here? Speaker A 00:49:11.190 - 00:49:23.060 And also, well, I was gonna say, and also what's good is to have these kinds of conversations because, like, yes, you have to go through a journey, but like, maybe it just has to be a three year journey and not a 15 journey. Speaker B 00:49:23.060 - 00:49:23.340 Yeah. Speaker A 00:49:23.340 - 00:50:01.430 You know what I mean? And so it's like, it's like suffering, pain. I think it's kind of built into the human condition. But do we really need to have as much of it, you know, based on experience? And I think this is where it's important to like, have these conversations and to be open to this stuff because you go, oh, yeah, cool. I went on that path. I read that book. I kind of bought into that. But you know what? I'm going to now trust something deeper within me. I'm getting that hit. It doesn't feel, it doesn't feel true. Let me move on as opposed to, but my whole social group is here. Everything I believe in, my partner's here. And then let me stay in it for another five years and continue to, like, deny something deep within. You know what I mean? Speaker B 00:50:02.230 - 00:50:45.140 Yeah. Hey, Kenneth, I want to ask you this question because obviously you're an individual that's very knowledgeable about, you know, the subconscious mind, etc. So how do you go about being like a good caretaker for the subconscious of your children? I don't know if you have more than one, one child. You're your child or your children. Like, how do you go about that process? Because it's this fine line as well. Like, you can't just shield them from everything they need to be. They need to experience, they need to follow their interests. And it's like, obviously they can't be exposed to everything as well. So how do you, how do you personally grapple with being a caretaker of, you know, the subconscious of your kids? Speaker C 00:50:47.140 - 00:50:52.660 Good question. My daughter is 10 now, soon in April, and my son is now 15. Speaker B 00:50:53.140 - 00:50:53.580 Wow. Speaker C 00:50:53.580 - 00:52:27.130 So how am I taking care of them? Like you said, you can't shield them because they have to go through their things as well. So in terms of, I mean, from there, when they were very young, I always, I, I consciously, you know, imprinted them with, with programs, empowering programs. I, I, I used to really, you know, create stories for them. So if they had issues, let's say in kindergarten or there Was something, you know, going on. I was like creating metaphors to, to, to, you know, influence their subconscious to you know, solve the issue or to, you know, just, just boost their sense of self esteem and self worth and all that. In terms of their own experiences in life, taking care of them, there's a balance between, you know, just doing too much for them versus letting them learn on by their own experiences. So I do my best to tune into when I need to physically intervene and take and help them with things and then where I need to lay back and maybe just present different solutions if they want and then, you know, go help them in that way. Was that what you meant by how I take care of their subconscious or more? Speaker B 00:52:27.130 - 00:53:01.040 Well, I mean, like for parents today, particularly, you know, ones that I guess lean towards the truth seeking kind of realms, there might be this like this stifling fear that kind of, that can come about where it's like, wow, my child shouldn't watch anything, shouldn't be exposed to anything, shouldn't listen to anything. You know what I mean? And obviously at the same time, like we understand the power of the subconscious and we want to, you know, build a good foundation for their own personal self image as well. So I'm just curious if you had any. Speaker A 00:53:01.040 - 00:53:07.800 And protect their innocence in a world of technology that like they can expose the things like earlier they should. Speaker B 00:53:07.960 - 00:53:09.320 Which can all feel like a very Speaker C 00:53:09.320 - 00:54:27.340 overwhelming task for, for a parent that's not necessarily easy. But. Okay, we have, we don't watch the news at all. So, so that's, but we never did anyways, so no news. And actually my daughter, she complained to me. She, she goes to regular school now and she complained to me that when they had their, you know, when they had their, what do you call it, you know, the half an hour they, where they eat their lunch. Yeah, they were, the teacher were putting on the news for the children to watch and I was like, okay, it was like child news, but it was like in the air, in the, in the time where, for example, Charlie Kirk was stabbed. It was like, we're shot or whatever. And they were showing that to the children while they were sitting there eating. So I called, of course I called the teacher and I, I told her what's going on. Why, why are you showing children this? I mean, my daughter is coming to me saying, I don't want you to be online because if you, if you get too exposed, then someone can come and kill you. You know, so she was already thinking those thoughts of, you know, seeing someone being on A stage. And then. Speaker B 00:54:27.660 - 00:54:28.540 That's crazy. Speaker C 00:54:29.100 - 00:54:51.120 Yeah. And I called the teacher, talked to her, and she was like, no, we have to. It's like the school, blah, blah, blah. And I said, you don't need to show children the news to, To. To share with them what's going on in the world. Having a dialogue with them versus showing images of people getting killed. There's a big difference. Speaker B 00:54:51.200 - 00:54:51.840 She's 10. Speaker C 00:54:53.120 - 00:54:53.600 Sorry? Speaker B 00:54:53.600 - 00:54:54.880 She's 10, you said? Speaker A 00:54:55.120 - 00:54:57.040 Yeah, 15. 15, right. Speaker C 00:54:57.200 - 00:54:58.880 My son's 15. My daughter's 10. Speaker A 00:54:58.880 - 00:54:59.800 Daughter's 10. Wow. Speaker C 00:54:59.800 - 00:55:24.490 Yeah. So. So. But they stopped. Actually, they stopped in her class. They don't watch the news when they eat now, after that phone call. And I wouldn't give up either because she was coming with all these, you know, arguments. And I was like, there's. There's nothing that can be said here that will justify having the news in front of children. And that was hard for me as well, because I'm, you know, talking about the subconscious. Of course I know it's. It's getting programmed with these fears. Speaker A 00:55:24.570 - 00:55:35.410 Yeah, well, and also I'm curious if it gets programmed more, if they're watching it while they're doing something enjoyable. They're eating food, they're pleasuring themselves, they're nourishing themselves. Like this is in the background. Speaker C 00:55:35.410 - 00:55:38.600 Like, of course it's. Of course. I mean, you're in a. Speaker B 00:55:38.600 - 00:55:39.000 You're. Speaker C 00:55:39.560 - 00:55:47.200 You're in that state of just absorbing. And like you said, you have something associated with it as well. Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:55:47.200 - 00:55:47.520 You're. Speaker C 00:55:47.520 - 00:58:00.270 You're. No, you're. You're not having class anymore. So. Yeah. And in terms of, you know, things happening in the world, how do I protect my children's subconscious in terms of TV and technology? Well, that's, That's a dance on it. So my, My daughter loved the game. You know, she play some Roblox or Robux or whatever it's called. It's horrible. And I can't stand that she's on that screen. So we have to have, you know, boundaries around how much time we can our children uses on screen. My son is 15. I let him control things a bit more, but I'm on him. I'm like, okay, just, you know, be aware of what you're spending your time on. Be aware of. Be aware of absorbing versus or consuming versus producing. I just want him to, you know, be conscious of that. How are you using your body today? Have you worked out or have you just sat, you know, sat there on your phone scrolling? Because. Yes, I'm. I'M pretty. I, I can feel it's annoying for me to see them just sit on a screen. So having boundaries around that, of course, but it's, it can become a thing where you. Because everyone. That's the problem. All their friends, they have. They, you know, no boundaries on screen. They have iPhone. The iPhone. 17, 9 years old. I mean, why, yeah, why are, why aren't, why aren't parents more strict around, you know, screen time and how to, you know, when do you give them phones or children? My daughter doesn't have a phone yet. My son got a phone when he was 12. So we do our best to, to restrict things but not be too strict. Because with my daughter, she is so willfully strong that I think that. And she has my, you know, need for freedom. I can, I. I see it in her. So if I push too much, if my wife pushes too much, it's almost like I'm afraid she will rebel too much when she becomes older. So there's a balance of, you know, Speaker B 00:58:00.430 - 00:58:02.430 it's such a dance, man. It's such a dance. Speaker A 00:58:02.430 - 00:58:02.750 Yeah. Speaker C 00:58:02.750 - 00:58:03.150 It's. Speaker B 00:58:03.390 - 00:58:23.520 Each child's unique. Each child's different as well, you know, and it's like, you know, setting, setting boundaries and like you said, not wanting them to, like, turn away from you too much or question you too much or start hiding things from you. I've got so much empathy for parents, man, especially today. Like, it's. It's such a minefield to try to try, grapple with, you know. Speaker C 00:58:23.840 - 00:58:25.680 It is, it is. Speaker A 00:58:26.080 - 00:59:12.960 Hey, Kenneth, you know, you work in the field of hypnotherapy and meditation and affirmations, and how can that be used for children? Like, and at what age, like, can you play things for them while they're. While they're like, in their crib or when they're like, you know, a five year old? Because, you know, I'm a student of, like, human design and I appreciate astrology and these other systems that can kind of highlight, you know, certain unique elements of you. So is there a way to even, like, would you think, like, even conditioning those characteristics in them at a young age, you know, like, while they sleep? So, like, they believe that, like, I am X, I am Y, I, M, Z. That is maybe in alignment with like, this sole blueprint of theirs? Speaker C 00:59:14.160 - 01:00:58.890 That's a really good question. And yes, you can. You can. Because even when they're in, in the womb, I was, I was speaking to my children were. While they were in the womb, maybe my wife. I used hypno. We Used hypnobirthing. So I, you know, my wife was scared to death about having, you know, having to birth a child when my son was. Before my son was born. But we did the old hypnotherapy thing. So in that process, yeah, she calmed down and I was. When I gave her affirmations of relaxation, relaxing, affirmations of being strong, I was also influencing my children in the womb. So I played when they were younger, I played recordings for them. My daughter still listens to it. So I have like guided meditations or hypnotherapy recordings, which I've done. And I just put them on when, you know, they, so they go to sleep listening to that. And I've been thinking about that a lot because I have to say this. And it's, it's related to what you said, Erasmus, with the whole imprint you come in with because, okay, my son and daughter, completely different personalities. I mean, they have same, the same things here and there about different personalities. Both of them have grown up in a home where they've been supported but also challenged. So, so it's not like, oh, you can do everything you want in the whole world. You're best, you're so blah, blah, blah. But it's more like, you know, just more grounded in a way. I'm not like dissing people, doing, doing it like that. But I want my people, my people, my, my children to be. Also be realistic. Speaker B 01:00:58.890 - 01:00:59.410 Realistic. Speaker C 01:00:59.820 - 01:03:20.610 Yeah. But in terms of building up self worth and self esteem. Yes, that's a focus because it seems to be for some reason. I mean, we come, we. We don't come in as clean slate. So we, it's not like we come in and then we are programmable and then we grow from that. It seems like we come in with a personality and then what we as parents, you know, influence our children with. Will affect them and influence them in many ways, but they still have their personality. So even though, for example, with my son, I've been up and really focused on building, helping him build self esteem and confidence and that is. He has that as well. I mean, we homeschooled him for when he did that and he, he grew a lot from that and he's, he come in, came into puberty and he's just, he just seems like to blossom, but he has. Yes. You know, it's challenging for him to set boundaries because he don't want to hurt people. It isn't that he has to be liked, but he hates hurting others. And even though, you know, I've Done what I can to build up in a certain level of, you know, just, you know, an assuredness within him that it's sometimes, you know, when you say no, people will get hurt and it's not because you did something wrong, it's actually just because they are reacting on you, setting that boundary. And you know, they have their stuff, you have your stuff and our lot, but it. That seems to be something he has to go through anyway. So even though I, you know, poured in all those affirmations and all those hours of working and, and even working with him on stuff stuff, it still seems to be part of his imprint. And you're talking about human design and astrology. I was into numerology for some years, really into it. And when I looked at his charts now, it was quite a few years ago since I went into charts looking at it, but I went in to see his challenge number and the challenges he has are identical to how the patterns he is in now. So it seems that we come in with that imprint. Speaker B 01:03:20.610 - 01:03:23.410 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A 01:03:23.410 - 01:04:16.960 It's like. And it's like, yeah, we have this imprint. And then as a, as a parent, and again, I'm not a parent, but my wife and I like to be and plan to be. It's like, how do you support that input as best as you can, you know. But again, they're going to be, they're going to be on their journey and all you can do is give as good of a foundation as you can and they're going to go in, they're going to learn their lessons. The other thing I was thinking about, because again, thinking about being a parent and being in this world, my mind always goes like, how to like optimize or how to, how to create something that can be beneficial. Like we talk about affirmations and now with AI, I was telling my wife the other day, wouldn't it be interesting, like right when the kid's able to talk, that you can take a voice recording of their voice and then make affirmations in their own voice to play for them, let's say at night or while they sleep. So I was thinking about that if that would be. That would be even more powerful if they were like saying I am statements like in their own voice as opposed to someone else's voice. I don't know what you think about that. Speaker C 01:04:16.960 - 01:04:53.180 Yeah, very smart. That's an awesome idea. Also, I would combine that with the parents voice because it seems like the inner voice that we have as adults. Much of it is even if you're not conscious of it is coming from our parents voice. You know, if we criticize ourselves, it's usually the parents criticizing. So we, but we'll listen. We listen in. In our own voice though. But. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Playing. I mean, I remember we had our children look in the mirror every, every night before they went to bed, they looked in the mirror and they said something positive about themselves just to be, you know. Speaker B 01:04:53.180 - 01:04:53.580 Yeah. Speaker C 01:04:54.140 - 01:05:26.590 Standard thing. But everything I would say everything helps. And as long as it's backed up with they having real life experiences that shows them that, you know, what I'm saying is actually true. So it's something about giving them feedback as well, you know. Okay, Adrian, how. The way you, the way you confronted me there, that was good. I mean, you, you, you, you just, you disagree with me. You, you told me, you asked me good questions. Awesome. Speaker B 01:05:26.750 - 01:05:27.390 Yeah, exactly. Speaker C 01:05:27.390 - 01:05:29.360 You know, so, so affirmations. Speaker B 01:05:29.440 - 01:05:29.840 Yeah. Speaker C 01:05:29.840 - 01:05:38.920 Yet lifting them with positive words, but also, you know, having that, having that integration where you feed back to them that they're. Speaker A 01:05:38.920 - 01:05:41.400 Yeah. The reflection back in the moment, you know. Speaker B 01:05:41.400 - 01:05:41.840 Yeah. Speaker A 01:05:42.000 - 01:05:47.360 It builds like the neural pathway. Oh, it's okay to stand up for myself. Oh, it's okay to question authority. Etc. Speaker B 01:05:47.600 - 01:05:48.080 Yeah. Speaker C 01:05:48.080 - 01:05:48.400 Yes. Speaker B 01:05:48.400 - 01:06:43.870 Especially for kids, like kind of like in those early years, like zero to seven. Like everything we're discussing I think is great and beneficial, but like, it's one thing to be told you're good and you're powerful and you can do all the rest of it, but it's. And to be told that you're loved. But like, for me, the main thing that programs the subconscious at that age is the experience of love, you know, so ultimately, without the. Without like them fully experiencing mother's love, father's love, and knowing that they're genuinely like, worthy of their existence and it's a pleasure for them to exist in the world and in the reality and to see that reflected in you when they observe your face, the smile, you know, the, the feeling of your eyes, the tone of your voice. Like, doesn't matter how many affirmations, how many subconscious programming, how many stuff. Like without that baseline of like, you know, it's. Yeah. Speaker A 01:06:43.870 - 01:06:59.850 Everything we're talking about is like the bonus stuff. I feel like that has to be the, like the foundational. Not like I beat my kid, but it's okay because I give him affirmations every night. You know, when he cries, I say, quit being a little bitch, but I say, hey, you know, like I give him affirmations at night. So it's totally okay. Speaker B 01:07:00.090 - 01:07:00.450 Yeah. Speaker A 01:07:00.450 - 01:07:02.290 You know? Yeah, I totally hear what you're saying. Speaker B 01:07:02.290 - 01:07:07.530 They're like, it's like, it's like a drop in the ocean compared to, you know, what you can actually do with the ocean. Speaker C 01:07:08.330 - 01:07:18.560 It's, it's, it's, it's, you know, everything affects everything, but definitely walking the walk, talking the talk. So they have to experience that. Definitely. Yeah. Speaker B 01:07:18.560 - 01:07:39.400 I mean, and also, you are the number one programming agents. You know, your, your, your behavior, how you communicate, how they witness you communicate with others, how they witness you repair with others, how they witness how you hold yourself, how you strive for your sex success, how you deal for challenges like that is 95% of what's programming the trial, in my opinion. Speaker C 01:07:39.400 - 01:08:10.320 Yeah, and they're. And they're also, you know, we're being programmed by osmosis as well. So it doesn't matter if I say or what I say or do. They will also pick up on my unconscious, you know, beliefs about things. My. The energy will affect all time. And that's why also when I started learning about subconscious and, you know, the energy, you know, that we are and that works for us, it was like, oh, shit. So even if I try to hide my insecurity, my child will feel it. Speaker B 01:08:10.400 - 01:08:10.960 Yep. Speaker C 01:08:11.280 - 01:08:24.320 You know, even if I try, even if, like I said, you can say something, but if, if you're, if you're emanating something different, there will be this, I don't know, for a child, it's probably confusing. Speaker B 01:08:24.320 - 01:08:38.040 They pick up on the disconnect and energetically, for sure. You know, Carl Jung said the greatest burden the child has to carry is the unlived life of the parents. So, like anything that's like, unlived within you, it's like that's going to imprint them as well. For sure. Speaker C 01:08:38.040 - 01:08:38.400 Yeah. Speaker A 01:08:38.400 - 01:09:01.140 Well, this also relates to what we're talking about before about, like, the spiritual community. You can put all this love and light language over things, but what's really happening underneath. But back to what we were saying before, I remember reading in some book, like, I'm not even like a big fan of affirmations, of just telling people you're smart, you're amazing. Like, praising effort, I think is much better than just telling a person they're incredible and they're amazing because I feel like that can build something within them that isn't ideal. Speaker C 01:09:03.300 - 01:09:18.620 I think that with affirmations, there's probably. Okay, so. So just the affirmations that I create, I, I don't like either. You're smart, you're good, you're good enough. You're valuable. Okay. Speaker A 01:09:18.620 - 01:09:18.980 They're. Speaker C 01:09:19.060 - 01:11:14.860 I mean, basic affirmations. But I like to. I like to hammer things in with using language that speaks more to the soul. If I can say this, I don't know, but. And also adding. Adding kind of a. Kind of reframes within the affirmations. Not, not just saying like one sentence, but it's, you know, serving them as statements, which makes your mind just. Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. I mean, you can create changes with affirmations, especially when repeated, but it's not enough. And it's, It's. It can probably, if you think of maybe it lifts you up from a level. So let's say someone is depressed and they listen to some affirmations and it was like, oh, this really helped me. You know, it can be medicine in terms of where you are in your life. Maybe you just listen to something. Something really simple as well. I mean, remember, you're good enough the way you are. You know, of course we have these things that we need to be like this and that. But sometimes something simple, some warm words, especially if they're said or served, I would say from the heart. That's been a thing for me. When I do things as well, I don't just do them. I want to. I really mean it when I say. And I think it's. Yeah, it can. If it hits in the right time, at the right moment. I think even the simplest things can. Can lift someone to finally take. Take those steps needed. So. Or maybe. Maybe there were just seeds that were planted and then in the future that those seeds starts to grow in some way, even if you're not conscious of them. Speaker B 01:11:15.100 - 01:11:15.660 Totally. Speaker C 01:11:15.740 - 01:11:43.090 I just said, yeah, I think it can help in several ways. But I agree with praising. I mean, praising effort or praising the like with my children praising them when they did something, when they spent, when they focused on something, concentrated on something and made something. I. I'm aware of not just praising the, the outcome, but you. Speaker B 01:11:43.090 - 01:11:43.570 You must. Speaker C 01:11:43.570 - 01:11:54.800 You spend a lot of time working on this. Right. I bet you had to concentrate and focus and think through things and solve things and good job, you know, so there's. There are ways because. Speaker B 01:11:54.960 - 01:11:55.440 Yeah. Speaker C 01:11:55.440 - 01:12:01.360 You know, you can say to your child all the time, oh, you're so good. Oh, you're so good. Oh, you're so good. Speaker B 01:12:01.360 - 01:12:01.720 You're. Speaker C 01:12:01.720 - 01:12:42.380 You're good at everything. Wow. Of course that maybe that feels good, but maybe, you know, I've talked to. I remember this woman telling me I grew up in a home where I was told every Day how valuable I was, how good I was. And when I grew up, met real life, I mean, my parents told me I could do anything, but that wasn't true. I mean, I had to. I had to make a real effort. It was hard, it was challenging. So I had this, you know, inflated sense of how easy everything was and how good everything was because I. So, yeah, there is a sense of that. Like I said, things need to be grounded as well. Speaker B 01:12:43.020 - 01:13:00.380 Yeah, for sure. You know, I think I read. I read this recently, but it's like, you know, for as long as mankind has existed, like, you know, the best form of parenting is, like, high standards and high supports. But very often today. Oh, am I here, guys? Speaker A 01:13:01.580 - 01:13:02.820 Yeah, you're there. I hear you. Speaker B 01:13:02.820 - 01:13:07.500 Wow, that's crazy. You guys were both so still just then I was like 100%. Speaker A 01:13:09.260 - 01:13:35.580 I looked up something because I wanted to remember what it was from. And it's like a growth mindset versus a fixed mindset. So when you're praising effort as it just. As as opposed to just praising innate intelligence or innate creativity, like you're creative, you're smart. That leads more to a fixed mindset, which then leads to, I think, kind of what you're saying. These people, they grow up and they don't really know how to move through and have resilience and grow through life. It's just like, I'm smart, I'm beautiful, I'm great, I'm amazing, that sort of thing. Anyways, you were saying, Joel? Speaker B 01:13:35.580 - 01:14:17.790 Yeah, I was saying, like, high. What's needed is high standards and high supports. But often what children get today, particularly in, like, extreme gentle parroting paradigms. Paradigms is just the high support without. Without the high standards, you know, and so they. They need to. They need to feel what you. Exactly what you're saying, Kenneth, in terms of, like, things require efforts. There. There are certain expectations that are necessary. Yes, I'm here to hold you and support you along this journey completely. But it's like there is a. There is a balance and there is boundaries and there is a sense of, like, what's going to lead you further in life as opposed to, you know, what's just going to, like, completely dissipate your focus and all the rest of it. Speaker A 01:14:18.750 - 01:14:36.990 It's just natural. We go from one extreme to another, like hardcore authoritarian parenting. So what's going to come out of that? Like, extreme gentle parenting. But then, of course, it's up to the individual and obviously unique situations with children to figure out what works. But, you know, it's Cliche to say, but there has to be like an integration of opposites and balance to some degree. Speaker C 01:14:37.550 - 01:14:55.870 I mean, yeah, different situations will, will invite. You know, in some situations you have to be more authoritarian anyways. And in some situations you can be more gentle. But it's, it is that balance and, and also being able to, being able to just meet people where they are as well. Speaker B 01:14:57.060 - 01:15:03.540 Yeah, dude. Like just having, having emotional intelligence in terms of like what's happening in the situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Speaker A 01:15:05.300 - 01:15:14.260 yeah. I think it's something that humanity is evolving towards is definitely the emotional intelligence, but it's a little messy, but I think that's the next stage of human evolution. Speaker C 01:15:14.900 - 01:15:30.620 I hope so, because it seems like it's trendy to be an empath or very sensitive. But you know, that's. It seems like, I mean, that's not emotional intelligence. That is not the same as emotional intelligence. But people think. It seems like people, you know. Speaker B 01:15:30.620 - 01:15:31.020 Yes. Speaker C 01:15:31.020 - 01:16:36.450 Interpreted as. That's emotional intelligence. But that's. For me, I mean, that's lack of emotional boundaries. You don't have boundaries in terms of taking things in. And, and also the, the whole. I mean, it's back to if we lack understanding of how we function on the basic level, then everything will just be confusing. Everything seems to be about me, you know, everything. All the emotions were just in reactive mode instead of responsive mode, you know, unconsciously reactive instead of consciously responding to life. So that's the goal. Maybe just being, becoming emotional intelligent also means for me becoming more consciously responding responsive to life instead of reacting to everything. You know, just taking a step back and just taking a bit easy to react to everything. And even, even when we get triggered, I mean, this probably comes with time and when you work on yourself, you're able to, even you can become triggered without lashing out or without reacting, you know. Speaker A 01:16:36.610 - 01:17:29.510 Yeah, you're building capacity within yourself. Because I don't believe in repression either. Like, if I'm triggered, I want to still at least have a sensation of something that maybe I am angry at someone. Maybe I do want to punch someone in the face, but it doesn't mean I'm going to go and punch the person in the face. That isn't ideal. But maybe I need to go do something or just be with myself or just feel the blood going through my body and then, okay, let me move on. Because I'm not an advocate of completely pushing things down and repressing them. It's just like the great Viktor Frankl quote, between stimulus and response, there is a space and within that space lies our ability to choose, and within that choice is our freedom. And so we're being impacted, affected by stimuli all the time. But, like, are we instinctively immediately reacting to those things? Or like you said, do we have some space and can we consciously respond? Can we communicate with vulnerability and strength at the same time, as opposed to just vulnerability or just strength? Speaker C 01:17:30.550 - 01:19:01.250 And we have to. I think that's the inner work as well, you know, moving towards that, that way of, you know, just being present when something happens and, you know, choosing your response more than just reacting. And if, you know, if we react in some way, like you said, emotions are there. So if you're angry, well, that anger is there for a reason. And it's not negative. You just. Why is it there? Is it because you need to set boundaries? My son was angry the other day and I asked him, you know, why you're angry now? It's just a friend of mine. He never listens to what I'm saying. Okay, so the anger is telling you that there's something you need to tell them. Maybe boundary you need to set. There's something you need to do. So in terms of emotions and emotional intelligence, emotions are there to. I see them as feedback. You know, we can use all negative emotions as feedback to, okay, what's going on here? Okay, if you feel, if. If I feel guilty about something, is that guilt a valid guilt? Is it like, distorted? Am I creating because of, oh, shit, what will they think of me now? Or am I feeling the guilt because I've actually done something, overstepped my own boundaries and standards in terms of what is okay or not? Do I need to apologize? Do I need to make amends? What do I need to do here? So the guilt is telling me something. Suppressing it won't help me. So why, you know, why not face it and then use it as a spring to, to evolve? Speaker A 01:19:01.730 - 01:20:02.200 Exactly. And like, I'm an advocate of having some conflict and expressing yourself. Hopefully you can then communicate afterwards and have repair. Like, that is what bring. Brings relationships to, like, a healthier place. It's not the absence of conflict. It's not both parties just pushing things under the rug. Because then when what ultimately happens, then there's blow up as opposed to, I'm a human being. Okay? We've grown up the way we've grown up. Many of us have been traumatized in our ways and like, maybe we don't communicate as consciously and we're going to have our moments, but then what do you do afterwards? How do you Come together? How do you take personal responsibility? How do you understand your inner work and your inner life and what. Why. Realizing why I was triggered. Oh, I understand. When you said that, you know, I responded in this way. It reminds me of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, where you two people can come together because it's a dance, a relationship, and have some communication, and then there's more trust and then there's more understanding and then the bond grows, you know, as opposed to. No, I don't want to ruffle any feathers. I don't want conflict. You know, that's. It's a whole nother thing. Being fearful of conflict. Speaker C 01:20:03.230 - 01:20:27.550 Yeah, it's probably. I mean, when you have that, the point of view that you had there, you told me now that, you know, conflict is sometimes needed, so it's there for a reason. And sometimes we need conflict for change to happen. I mean, the conflict is the initiation that will change things. So maybe conflict isn't that bad. Speaker B 01:20:28.680 - 01:20:28.920 No. Speaker A 01:20:29.560 - 01:20:39.800 Yeah. I mean, I don't. I mean, it can lead to things that maybe aren't ideal, depending on how the people involved and how it's handled. But generally speaking, like, there's, like, I don't know, there's. Speaker B 01:20:39.800 - 01:20:40.080 There's. Speaker A 01:20:40.080 - 01:20:59.670 It's, It's a moment that's ripe for, for evolution and growth. And if you think about even creativity, can you imagine creativity without conflict? Can you imagine, like, even within the artist or within multiple artists working on a project if it was just like, okay, I don't want to share my thoughts. I don't want conflict. Like, oh, you're the boss. You just decide everything and then we'll just do that. Speaker B 01:20:59.830 - 01:21:51.240 I mean, I mean, tension is required for growth at, at all times. And like, circling back to, like, you know, our, I guess, criticisms of the new age spiritual community is that it places, you know, no conflict and no tension on a pedestal, as if that was what we need to strive for is to have zero conflict and to have zero attention. I think that's where a lot of people really become disconnected from reality. Because you can't avoid conflict, you can't avoid tension. There are challenges. Life can be difficult. There are always things which need to be resolved and repaired. And if you can't be attuned to that level of reality, then, yeah, I mean, that kind of is the groundwork for some level of base psychosis, in my opinion. When you think reality should be a certain way. But it literally cannot be any other way than what it is. Speaker A 01:21:51.800 - 01:22:09.640 I mean, we. You see that all the Time even just with people projecting their ideals and perfection onto the world. Like on geopolitical events, like, yeah, oh, how dare there be conflict. Something's wrong. Everyone's just serving some agenda all the time at every moment, as opposed to conflicts happen. Let's see what comes out of this. Speaker C 01:22:09.960 - 01:22:15.360 Yeah, there's also, with conflict, you, you, it's impossible to avoid because if you Speaker A 01:22:15.360 - 01:22:15.720 avoid, Speaker C 01:22:17.550 - 01:22:58.840 if you need to say something to someone but avoid it, you avoid the external conflict, but you create an inner conflict. Exactly. And you can, you can try to repress it or suppress it, but you're. It's eating you up. And if you don't do something about it, it will, it will seep through your skin as, you know, eczema or psoriasis. It will, it will eventually will fester in the body as some form of disease force because it needs to get out. So, so there's no escape from conflict in a way. And, and that's probably, you know, when we, we see conflict as chaos, isn't it? Isn't it in Chinese language where the symbol for chaos and opportunity is the same? Speaker A 01:22:59.480 - 01:23:00.360 Oh, I don't know. Speaker C 01:23:00.360 - 01:23:01.360 I think it is interesting. Speaker B 01:23:01.360 - 01:23:02.040 Very interesting. Speaker C 01:23:02.600 - 01:24:00.370 Yeah. So, you know, in conflict. And I can just see through my life the times when I held back because I didn't want, not because I feared conflict. But, you know, sometimes it's, it's uncomfortable because you have, you have to. Yeah, yeah. And it's not just like it's conflict in two minutes. Sometimes something is a conflict for a long while and it's, you have to go through a long process of, you know, getting to, to a solution. So of course I understand that people avoid it, but there's no avoiding the inner conflict. And for me, that is worse. And it also, for me, that goes against my standard of wanting to live an authentic life. So if I know that I'm avoiding a conflict or avoiding say something because I'm afraid of conflict, I have to say something because I have to face my own avoidance. I have to face that part of me that don't want to go into it. Speaker A 01:24:00.440 - 01:24:00.680 That. Speaker B 01:24:00.840 - 01:24:10.040 And also because you've learned, you've learned that the cost of ignoring that inner voice is far greater than the potential cost of going through the conflict. You know what I mean? Speaker C 01:24:10.200 - 01:24:25.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think depression is that. Yes, depression comes from people just avoiding, avoiding, avoiding, avoiding for such a long time. We become depressed. They say it's a chemical imbalance, but it's not. It's, it's, it's anger. Speaker A 01:24:25.400 - 01:24:26.600 And self betrayal. Speaker C 01:24:27.470 - 01:24:34.830 Yeah, and, and the core emotions, anger and sadness locked in the body for too long and it seeps, it becomes depression or something else. Speaker A 01:24:34.910 - 01:25:13.400 I mean, you've worked with, you're a human being, you have your own personal experiences. You've also worked with people as, as, as we have. And it's like, how many times have you heard like, just like for months and years have been doing this conversation in my head, like with this person, my, my sister, my brother and my mom. And then they finally have the conversation and then the result isn't the thing that they imagined it would be for years and years or months, you know, and so it's like, yeah, sure, sometimes it may lead to like a blow up and greater conflict, but a lot of times, like the great Seneca quote, we suffer more in imagination than we do in reality, 100%. Speaker C 01:25:14.120 - 01:25:57.530 And, and actually also since we are imagining the conversations, there are ways of discharging some of that energy, making it easier to go into conflict. For example, if you actually sit down and write what you want to say to them, that the writing in itself, and then you read through it, you will notice that, okay, fuck, this is actually about me. This conflict is about me not, you know, taking responsibility in this. I'm blaming them for this. So you can get a lot of insight in writing it. But also I've noticed if there's something in the past, if there's something I want to get out, and then I'm thinking, is it, sometimes you have to weigh up things. Speaker A 01:25:58.730 - 01:25:59.690 Is it worth saying? Speaker C 01:26:01.530 - 01:26:53.240 So yeah, is it worth saying because will change, happen, what will be the outcome? Okay, let's say so writing it down, reading through it, letting it just be for a couple of days, then go back to it. It's, it's like you're emptying your mind. Empty. You know, you're, you're, you're dissolving that energy and you can look at it more objectively and you may decide, yeah, actually I need to have this conversation. But now it's much easier because I'm not in all this, you know, chaos within me with all these thoughts and all this imagination about the outcome, what will happen, what will they say and all the, you know, discussions that we're having. So, so I think there are ways we can approach having these difficult conversations by first working within and then approaching it. Speaker A 01:26:53.400 - 01:27:40.540 Dude, I agree with you. And there needs to be discernment. It isn't like one rule for everything, because who's the person that you want to have this conversation with? What's their state of consciousness? Will they understand it? Will they get it? Maybe they're dead. Maybe they already died. And you have a chance to say the things you wanted to say and you're keeping inside so you can write it out. I trained as an actor for years, and so, like, you can do imaginary monologues to people. You can talk to them as if they're there. You know, there's all these things that we can do to help move the energy, even if we can't have that conversation. But yes, in a lot of instances, the healing is going to come from speaking your mind and communicating to a person, hopefully as healthy and consciously as you can, as opposed to just like running up to a person and screaming at them at the top of your lungs. Yeah, it's probably not going to go as well as you would like it Speaker B 01:27:40.540 - 01:27:49.460 to go and, and giving yourself the grace in the process to develop discernment. Because in the beginning, as you go down this path of having these conversations, they might not turn out ideal. Speaker A 01:27:49.460 - 01:27:49.780 No. Speaker B 01:27:49.780 - 01:27:58.740 So don't get caught in the perfectionistic trap of thinking this has to go a certain way before I can have the conversation. Like, very often you learn, like, on the path as well, you know, and. Speaker A 01:27:58.740 - 01:28:14.100 And because you go into the conflict, and then the conflict is going to show you where you need to grow, where they need to grow, where the relationship needs to grow. So, yeah, I definitely just be human, be real, go through the process, honor yourself, honor the other person, and then keep growing and evolving from it, you know? Speaker C 01:28:15.300 - 01:30:02.970 Yeah. When you mentioned people that are dead, I've done a. I've done quite a few sessions where people, for example, have. I mean, they're angry at one parent and the parent is dead. Then actually the eft tapping, just tap through the points while speaking your mind and pour that out. Exactly. I mean, imagine that I'm your dad. Yeah, exactly. What you want to say now and, and speak with the energy that you want to express, I think. I mean, it seems like it's very helpful. So I think that's work we can do with ourselves as well. But most people, in my experience, most people want to be guided through things like that. And it's good to have someone else, you know, but there's a lot of things we can do if we. If we want to dive into. Okay, how can I. How can I release this? You know, how can I work through this? How can I say what needs to be said? Even. Even we talk about the conflict thing with people that are alive. I mean, you can go through a conversation, look yourself in the mirror and imagine that person being the other one, the person you want to talk to. Or, you know, with a gestalt therapy thing, put a. Put someone on the chair in front of you and just have that conversation. You know, tune into. Not. Don't be above the person or below the person. Meet the person, soul to soul, and speak out. I think there's a lot of ways we can approach what we think is conflict and then we can dissolve it to actually to a place where we can go into that and have a conversation instead of expecting. Speaker B 01:30:03.670 - 01:30:03.990 Yeah. Speaker A 01:30:04.550 - 01:31:03.430 100 just different ways of expression, you know, because so much stuff stays inner, internal, and we start like mind things. And so the more we can bring it out, the more we can tap and speak. It's like we get it out. We get it out of our body, you know, And I just think that that's something that I think is hard for people. So I get it when you say, like, sometimes it helps to work with someone, but there are tools. Anyone listening this, it's like, you know, you don't need to know. Tapping perfectly. Just tap and speak from the heart. Share what you want to share and then see how you feel after that. Notice what's happening in your body. Oh, wow. I feel like this pit in my stomach is no longer there. I feel warm in my belly. Like these things, it's like building that the muscle to really tune in to your physiology, tune into what you're feeling and what you're thinking. It's very. I think it's just important is as we want to not just outsource all our stuff. Sure we need helpers, sure we need mentors, but also we have the power, we learn, we apply the knowledge in our lives and so we can make changes so we don't have to just be like subservient to our teacher, to our mentor. Speaker C 01:31:03.670 - 01:32:35.120 Yeah, yeah. And that's the things we work, you know, that's the things you guys are really good at, you know, letting people take that, you know, control, self, agency and step into. Step into that power of. Of being able to walk your own steps. That doesn't mean walking alone, but sometimes we have to walk some steps alone. Yep, it's. It's necessary to do that. It seems like. But it does seems like the problem in the new age as well. There's so much like people. It seems like people just want to look up to something or someone to tell them what to do or tell them how to do things, how to Feel. And of course, there's always mentors and people that influence or people that inspire and people that are on that path that are going to help us. But there's just something about being overly dependent on others. I think that when we come to the place of being able to stand on our own two feet, that that is when the world becomes a better place as well. Because there's way too much dependency and attachment to. Yeah, to validation, approval, acceptance, you know, and it all comes from, in my opinion, lack of self worth is a huge problem. You know, self worth and self esteem. If you don't have that, then it just seems like, you know, things fall apart. Speaker B 01:32:35.840 - 01:32:36.400 Yep. Speaker C 01:32:36.480 - 01:32:38.880 What do you, you guys think about that? Speaker B 01:32:39.280 - 01:32:40.480 Oh, dude, you're just. Speaker A 01:32:40.480 - 01:33:11.700 I agree. Yeah, we're very aligned, man. I mean, I've been loving this conversation because we're, we're so aligned. I mean, we come at it from similar but different ways. But the foundational principles and the understanding of what we think, what I think we think is needed to live a fulfilling, satisfied, grounded life, you know, feeling good about ourselves, being in healthy relationships, I think is there, you know, and it, and it starts within. It starts with self concept. It starts with self image, you know, and what do you need to do to improve the self image and to have self esteem that's going to impact every single thing in your life? Speaker B 01:33:12.820 - 01:34:30.740 Yeah. And like, again, let's. You know, it's like this overarching idea of like, ultimately being the captain of your own ship. And like, everything that you guys were speaking about before in terms of, like, the different ways to like, dissipate this psychic energy when you need to talk to someone, when there's something within you that feels stuck. Like, to me, that's what real wizardry is, you know, understanding that you can be your own alchemist, that you can, you can give yourself the right dosage of medicine that your psyche and your soul kind of requires. And there's these different avenues, there's different tools in your tool belt, and you have this intuition when and how something needs to move, when and how I need to engage a teacher, when and how I need to just be with myself and dive deep into something. Like, you have this. Us as human beings, man, we have this incredible inbuilt inner guidance compass system, yet we just neglect it. And for the majority of people running around there, they've collected dust and rust and they're not being used at all. And so, like, it's like this guidance system that's completely off kilter and needs to be told where to go. But, like, that is defective in my opinion. Your guidance system, it knows where to go. Right. We just need to listen to it again. But very often when we go through that path of listening to it, the thing that it asks us to do is going to cause resistance from our conscious mind. Oh, we can't do that. Speaker C 01:34:30.900 - 01:34:33.380 Oh, that's too negative, man. It's too negative. Speaker B 01:34:33.460 - 01:34:42.010 Yeah, we can't have that conversation. Oh, that's going to disturb the status quo way too much. There's no way. Right. But no, we need to raise the bar for ourselves. Speaker A 01:34:43.370 - 01:36:25.270 Yeah. And also, you know, man, like, knowing yourself and having knowledge, like, oh, wow, in these situations, I tend to lean towards fight. Oh, in these situations, I tend to flight. I tend to freeze, I tend to fawn. Okay, I know this about me. What can I do so I don't have to fully engage? Like, for me, I lean to fight, and I just lean to fight anger. I get triggered. You know, images start coming in. I feel it in my system, like, but it's not going to lead. Especially in situations that aren't literally trying to save my life. Like, of course, if someone's attacking me, cool. But a lot of times it isn't, like an imminent threat. It's just someone disrespecting me or someone speaking to me in a certain way. And it's like, okay, it wouldn't be wise for me to choke this out. It just wouldn't be wise. And so I am learning over the years different tools to recognize things within myself, to understand it. I use this all the time. I just squeeze my forearms and, like, let out growls. I'll step away. I'll go in the bathroom. If I'm driving, I squeeze and someone cuts me up. I squeeze my steering wheel. I feel the muscles in my freaking biceps, in my chest. And then I do that. Five seconds later, I'm just like, oh, wow, I was at a 10. Now I'm at a 7. Maybe if I do it again. Now I'm at a five. Now I can speak clearly to someone. Now I can actually speak to my wife and not, like, act like a to her. So again, it's like, you are. You become the master of your own instrument. It's not about completely dissolving away and repressing the fact that you might have some anger you might want to fight. It's like, how do you navigate that? You know, if you completely shut down? Why? What do you need in order to not live in that shutdown place? Speaker C 01:36:25.650 - 01:36:47.970 Yeah, well, the Problem is when we only think it's negative, having negative emotions, and we don't want to feel that. So we. What's the. What's the need of learning tools to, you know, to work with that when you don't need to express them, you just need to suppress them and. And just think positive, and then everything is good then. And you ascend to 5D and all of that. Speaker A 01:36:48.210 - 01:36:50.050 Can't wait to see in 5D, kind of. Speaker C 01:36:50.130 - 01:36:51.410 Yeah, me too. Speaker A 01:36:51.410 - 01:36:56.020 But it's. What's. You have to love being human. Love all of it, you know, to some degree. Speaker B 01:36:56.170 - 01:36:56.450 Degree. Speaker A 01:36:56.450 - 01:37:04.010 And ultimately be the conductor of your own inner orchestra. You know, we have people pay lip service to wholeness and integration, but this is what it is. Speaker B 01:37:04.090 - 01:37:04.450 Yeah. Speaker A 01:37:04.450 - 01:37:42.150 Okay. It's embracing your hand, your humanity as fully as possible and putting your arm around these different aspects of yourself and going, you are a part of me, but I will not let you take over the wheel. I will not let you control me. I will not let you sabotage my life. I know you're there, and I understand that you have a certain way of being, but I'm not going to let you take over. I'm going to make more conscious decisions. I'm going to build a life of health, you know, of connection, of depth, not of the opposite, even though those exist within me. But I ultimately get to choose. I get to choose how I want to respond, hopefully. But that's the work. You know, it's messy, it's weird in the beginning, but then it's just. Speaker B 01:37:42.150 - 01:37:42.630 You're just. Speaker A 01:37:42.790 - 01:37:44.550 You're playing. You're living life. Speaker B 01:37:45.030 - 01:37:45.510 It's. Speaker C 01:37:46.230 - 01:38:58.270 Yeah, you have to set that as a standard, though. You have that. Yeah, exactly. And you. And you have boundaries that say, I'm not going to allow myself to fall into this place. Or. I mean, if it's like you come to. You guys probably notice you come to a certain point where, well, of course you can have bad days, but you have a certain limit to how much do you allow yourself to stay there? Do you allow yourself to stay there for just, you know, marinate that? Or do you go through. If you go through the process of acknowledging the emotions and going into the root of, why am I feeling this way? What is going on? Why is this showing up? Well, then you process everything much faster and you come back into balance again faster. But I don't think you can do that without standards and internal boundaries that keep you there. And also, there needs to be an, you know, the more work you do, the more. The easier things is you you snap back into balance again faster because you're used to it. You've done, you know, gone through the process several times. So I think it's a matter of standards and. And boundaries. Speaker B 01:38:58.350 - 01:39:27.570 Dude, it's. It's a very common reality where like, one relationship breakup or one loss of a loved one has dictated the trajectory of someone's life for multiple decades, you know, and they've just never really gotten over it or never really dealt with it, you know, and it's like, it's. It's an interesting observation. It's a very, very, very interesting observation where like, this has just filtered and clouded our life for multiple decades because of our lack of being able to integrate the experience. Yeah. Speaker C 01:39:27.730 - 01:39:56.220 And all the other people have to pay, Pray, the price for it. Yeah. So if you. If we carry that trauma into our relationships, then our partner has to pay. Pay the price. Our children have to pay the price. So there's something about. For me, it's. For me, it's. I have an obligation to actually work on myself, to show up at the best version I can, because if not, my environment has to pay the price for me not showing up. And that's how I think about it. Speaker B 01:39:56.220 - 01:40:00.620 Yeah, because it's your moral duty in that sense, as a living spiritual. Speaker C 01:40:00.620 - 01:40:02.700 When, you know. When you know about it. Speaker B 01:40:03.110 - 01:40:03.470 Yeah. Speaker C 01:40:03.470 - 01:40:17.110 Then. Then. Then it is a moral duty for me. It is. I. There's no other way for me because I know about it. I can't unknow this. I can't just look the other way now and just, you know. Yeah, man. Speaker B 01:40:17.350 - 01:40:36.500 It's almost like walking into your house and seeing a sink full of dirty dishes and a living room in complete disarray and just choosing to ignore it and let everyone else deal with it. You know, like, if you know it exists and you know it's there and you know there's power and peace and more presence on the other side, then you deal with it. Speaker C 01:40:37.060 - 01:40:41.860 Yeah. Yeah, we would think that would be the case. Speaker B 01:40:42.340 - 01:40:42.980 Yeah, but. Speaker A 01:40:43.140 - 01:40:44.060 Yeah, we would think. But. Speaker C 01:40:44.060 - 01:41:59.820 Yeah, when it comes to the point. No, but certainly there seems to be a more willingness to look deeper. There seems to be more. There's. I'm. I'm noticing a shift in people talking about inner work and all that. Even though maybe we have a different definition of what does that mean, doing inner work? Because, you know, listening to guided meditation is not necessarily, you know, deeper work. It's maybe a part of the process, you know, go deeper into, okay, what are the traumas and things I'm holding on To. And that was the thing when. When I started hypnotherapy thing and went into past life regression therapy, where we learn techniques to ask the subconscious mind to signal yes and no signals through the body. And then you can ask direct questions of where is the root cause of this pattern or this emotion or this behavior. And then the subconscious mind can indicate where it comes from. And then you can ask the subconscious to go into those events and clear them out by feeling them. So when I. The first time I went into. And you know, I went into a past life, I had a. Is it okay to share the story? Yeah, I don't know. Speaker A 01:42:01.340 - 01:42:02.060 No, we're good. Speaker B 01:42:02.220 - 01:42:02.740 I had. Speaker C 01:42:02.740 - 01:42:32.340 I had a back pain so in my. So from the. In my solar plexus and back here. And it was. I had no idea where it came from. So I was. I was doing the training and. And the teacher asked for someone to volunteer. He wanted to do a demonstration. And I really didn't like to be, you know, exposed, you know, being in front of people, going through and feeling emotions, all that. But my hand was like, why is it. Why is it up? It just felt like I had to. Speaker B 01:42:32.340 - 01:42:32.780 But he. Speaker C 01:42:32.860 - 01:42:46.160 Of course, he chose me to. To come up and do a demonstration. And I went. When you go into past events, it's almost like you don't. You're not sure if you're imagining it or if it's actually real. Speaker B 01:42:46.240 - 01:42:46.680 Yeah. Speaker C 01:42:46.680 - 01:45:54.500 And sometimes maybe we are imagining it, but metaphorically they relate to the pain or the, you know, the problem you're working on. But I went back into something that seemed like a past life. I had this feeling of being pulled by the hair, just on the ground, you know, several people just pulling me. And then I was tied up to a pole. And the anger that I felt, I was. I was captured for speaking up about something and for being too. Yeah, too. Too much of a rebel. And the amount of anger that I felt in my body in that demonstration, it was like I was present physically in that room, but at the same time was like. Like I was in something else. And it felt so extremely intense in my body. I never felt something like that. And probably that was. That was like a smack in the head for me to. To, you know, be aware of your body and your emotions because I was probably just, you know, suppressing them up to that point. But anyways, we worked through that anger and the sadness that was underneath it, because beneath anger there's usually always sadness and fear. Anyways. Work through that until it calmed down. Like, you Said Erasmus. You know, you start at a 10, then it goes down to 7, then went down to a 4, then it. After crying and just getting things out after a while, down at zero. And then you sit there and you think, what the hell happened? I didn't even believe in past lives or I didn't, you know, I just learned this a month ago, what's going on? But having that experience of how emotions are connected and the back pain disappeared after that. They, what happened on that pole? They put a spear in my stomach and it went out exactly the exact same place where I was having the back pain. And like I said, I don't know if that was metaphorically just in that past life, but that spirit went right through me. And that was where the anger came from because I was so angry for being caught. I was angry for dying prematurely. I was. There was so much going on. But that event changed the way I looked at you know, working how, how trauma should be worked with. So the regression part of hypnotherapy is not just going into past lives. It's also about, you know, this life, the womb, the birth. You know, it could be anywhere. But we have emotions that are trapped in our energy field which our subconscious mind is connected to. So our stuff can be from, from other, other places. We even carry the ancestral. We can carry ancestral trauma as well. That, you know, we have patterns that we are not even ours. We're just playing them out. And now we have an opportunity to do something about it. Speaker A 01:45:55.140 - 01:46:08.420 Yeah, dude, thanks for sharing that. Well, this is a perfect segue into like, how do you support people? How can people get to know more of you and your work? And of course, if you have any final messages for the audience, feel free to share that as well. Speaker C 01:46:11.520 - 01:47:59.200 Right now I don't work one to one right now, or I do sometimes in, in the office, here at home. But you know, I'm just, just a, a quick, you know, backstory. From 2010 to 2018, I was working one to one with people. Therapy, coaching, doing courses. Yes, training people in NLP and eft. And then I have seven years now where I was really on the online thing, you know, inside timer. It took off there. YouTube, it took off. I have several channels there. And now I'm in the new seven year cycle. So in this seven year cycle, how do I show up? Well, workshops. I'm going to do tapping workshops definitely, because I've done a lot of them. And just after all that feedback, I just see that as a great way to work deep with people without necessarily going into the trauma personally for people, but going as deep as possible into issues. Yeah. To turn things around. So I'm doing workshops in the future. You can find out about that if you follow me on Instagram. If you sign up for my newsletter, you can find the link in Instagram in the bio there. And then also my YouTube channel, the guided meditations and affirmations. I mean that's a way to work with me even though it's not like, like this. But, but yeah. So. And in the future, I will do more group mentorship things maybe long to like more long form one to one work. I don't know yet. I'm in the beginning of this, of the seven year cycle now, so I'm, I'm, I'm starting, starting off with the workshops and then I'll see about what, where it takes me. Speaker B 01:47:59.280 - 01:48:43.960 I love it, man. We'll have your Instagram link in the show notes just below here. And bro, it's been such a pleasure connecting with you and, you know, feeling into your vibe and your essence and your personal philosophy and the way you live your life. And it never ceases to blow me away. Just like the synchronistic nature of reality. Like I mentioned, man, like 2015, I remember like playing your meditations, you know, my wife and I. And then so he'd be here like what, 11 years later and like have a conversation with you. Like you're just a random person, like not curious. Oh, who wrote this meditation? Like just a random voice. Then all of a sudden realities kind of merge and connect and this, it's unexplainable, ultimately. Yeah. You know, but it's so cool. Speaker C 01:48:44.360 - 01:49:23.080 Yeah, it is cool. And when, when you told me in the comment on Instagram a couple of years ago, hey, I'm following your meditation, I was like, I've been following you here and you know, your, your, you know, your posts and everything. Love it. And then I have to tell you this as well, to both of you. Like, I think it was four or five months ago, I was listening, I was at the gym and I was listening to one of your podcasts episodes. And when I listened and while I was, while I was training, I was thinking, I'm going to go on that podcast. Speaker A 01:49:23.400 - 01:49:25.080 I love it, I love it. Speaker C 01:49:25.160 - 01:49:36.440 And I was thinking that and I was smiling. Why did I think that? But probably because I wanted to. And who knows, maybe it was in the air somewhere. Speaker B 01:49:36.760 - 01:50:11.050 I mean, that's how reality creation works, man. It's like you have this real thought connected with this visceral emotion that. That feels like that reality is already present. Then for whatever reason, like, you come into my field, you know? You know, in a more way where I'm kind of considering you as a podcast guest. Like, wow, Kenneth would be interesting. Like, it impacts me in some subtle way, you know? And then one day, all the. All the dots connect, and I send a message to Kenneth saying, hey, man, would love to host you, and here for the truth. Are you down? You know, and, like, we have so many of these stories personally between your osmos and I as well, and it's just. Speaker A 01:50:13.310 - 01:50:30.990 Well. And I. I. To be honest, I. I didn't know you, man. I wasn't connecting you on Instagram. I didn't know Joel brought you up. And I looked at. I was. All right, cool. I think we could have a conversation. I like the words that he uses. You know, I had no idea until you said it. When we started this podcast that you listened to our podcast, I had no clue. So this is cool, man. Very cool. Speaker C 01:50:31.150 - 01:50:34.990 It's been an honor to be with you guys. Appreciate it. Thanks. Speaker A 01:50:35.150 - 01:50:41.670 Thank you for being you. Thanks for doing what you do. And, yeah, we'll probably have to have another conversation down the road, bro. Speaker C 01:50:41.990 - 01:50:42.790 We love it. Speaker B 01:50:43.270 - 01:50:46.390 Everyone, thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next time. Take care.