EPISODE 55 · FEB 3, 2022 · 1H 27M
Mike Winner The Creative Life
EPISODE 55 · MIKE WINNER
The Creative Life
Mike Winner spent a decade in Hollywood producing reality TV, throwing underground raves, and DJing at hipster clubs — all while secretly knowing the system was a fraud. He met Dr. Bear Lando in his mid-20s and started getting the real education: germ theory as control paradigm, natural law as the only law that matters, sovereignty as the only game worth playing. But knowing the truth and living it are different things. It took moving to the Smith River, becoming a father, and co-creating Alpha Vedic and Music & Sky Festival for the knowledge to land in his body. This conversation covers punk rock rebellion, the wife who grounds him, the slow tech movement, Trump as psyop, and why discernment beats paranoia every time. Mike doesn't play cloak and dagger. He grows food, raises kids, fights fires, and builds the infrastructure for people ready to reclaim their lives.
- The unschooled creative Mike's path: punk rock skater in Orange County to altar server considering priesthood to Hollywood DJ to tech entrepreneur to permaculture homesteader. The through-line is refusal to force a direction. Hollywood was a decade-long detour from what he was actually here to build. Kids made him grow up. The hero's journey doesn't care about your résumé.
- Meeting Bear Lando early Mid-2000s, Mike meets Dr. Bear Lando through his son Bryden. Bear introduces him to germ theory as fraud, maritime law, birth certificate as corporate fiction — all 15 years before most people heard those ideas. Mike's been marinating in terrain theory, consciousness work, and esoteric history since his mid-20s. Alpha Vedic grew from those late-night conversations.
- Controlled opposition paranoia Mike distinguishes real intelligence operations from projection: intelligence ops do exist (Tavistock, 60s counterculture manipulation), but the current obsession with calling everyone controlled op is itself the psyop. When you don't know yourself, you project shadow onto public figures. Discernment requires embodiment. The question isn't 'Is Malone controlled?' — it's 'How is this affecting my actual life?'
- The wife who grounds him Mike meets Blakely while DJing at the Shitty Kitty in Santa Barbara. She's a nursing student with no TV, playing board games instead of watching pop culture. She lets people cut in line at the ATM. She's worn masks for 10 years because she refused the flu shot. Mike sees it as weakness at first — she sees it as being the reed in the wind. She grounds his fire. They broke up and got back together 10 times. Married 12 years.
- Alpha Vedic as co-op Products first — Bear's 40 years of bio-terrain specialist work turned into accessible formulas. Podcast launched 2017 when almost nobody was talking about germ theory publicly except Amanda Volmer and Stefan Lanka. The 'scamdemic' brought validation: Andy Kaufman found terrain theory through their podcast. Alpha Vedic is family-run, permaculture-based, self-funded through community. Off Patreon as of episode date.
- Slow tech movement Mike's pitch: slow food movement was the French response to McDonald's invading their culture. Slow tech is the sovereignty response to convenience-as-enslavement. Cordel (his blockchain project) decentralizes everything from hardware up — you own your data, but you sacrifice mobile immediacy. No live-streaming from the subway until mesh networks exist. Trade speed for sovereignty. Reclaim relationship to technology.
- Music & Sky as private sovereignty 2020, heart of COVID lockdowns: Mike and partners throw a festival in Joshua Tree. No temperature checks. No waivers. No security. Private land, location announced week-of, old-school rave roots. 250 campers, zero incidents. 2021 doubled in size. Sobriety-focused, consciousness-focused, terrain-theory-friendly. If you want to wear a mask, fine — you'll look weird, but we don't care. It's proof that sovereignty works when people take responsibility.
- Trump, Q, & organic movements Mike was open to Q early on — saw parallels with cypherpunk culture, anonymous, crypto. Hoped Trump was the 'righteous billionaire' taking out the cronies. Now sees it clearly: as long as we give power to leaders, we get played. The organic movement that woke up behind Trump is real — the energy was real — but the figure at the center was the co-opt. One person can change the world (Gandhi, MLK), but discernment is everything.
- Evacuation from cities Mike moves to Smith River (15 miles from Oregon border) in 2016 — pre-COVID, pre-collapse narrative hitting mainstream. Ahead of the curve. The forgotten wild areas are filling with people who refused to comply. Timber and fishing towns devastated by globalism now seeing an influx of sovereign-minded families. Mike's community is growing. He's positioned as a guide for others making the exit.
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"I never would have thought 10 years ago as a Hollywood independent producer that I'd be growing my own food, drinking my own urine, and a volunteer firefighter in the middle of millions of acres of forest."
Mike Winner
"Most people are essentially babies walking around in grown-up suits. That's why we're in the mess we're in — people gave away personal sovereignty at a very early age."
Mike Winner
"The psyop in itself could be the idea of calling people controlled operative. That is the psyop — separating us. When we start creating tension because we're so concerned with who's controlled op, the psyop's working no matter what."
Mike Winner
"My wife doesn't ever watch pop culture, doesn't know the gossip, doesn't watch the Oscars. She's literally always grounded in how she can be of service to whoever is around her. She naturally flows that way."
Mike Winner
"We need to radically reconsider our relationship to technology. We've opted in to our own slavery for the sake of convenience."
Mike Winner
"As long as we give our power away to so-called leaders, we will continue to be played. It's all about decentralization now."
Mike Winner
"The whole idea of sovereignty is everyone coming to back everybody up. Everyone has trust and faith in knowing we are vital living men and women who aren't afraid of some mysterious bug."
Mike Winner
"People are so disempowered they do not believe anyone can organically rise and organically build themselves up to a place where they can earn money from living their truth."
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