Cailee Anello Homeopathy and Healing Through Self-Knowledge

[Speaker 2] (0:13 - 1:43) All right, everybody. Welcome back to Here for the Truth. This is our seventh episode. We're really fired up. We got some amazing guests. We got an amazing guest right now, Kaylee Anello, right? Is that how I pronounce your name? Yeah, you got it. Cool. Cool. So Kaylee and I connected, I think last year we connected, right? We all connected through the Unslaved Podcast, which is pretty awesome. Shout out to Unslaved. It seems to be a place where a lot of people that are seekers come together. That's for sure. Pretty amazing work that David and Michael are doing there. So I want everyone to welcome Kaylee. I'm going to read a little bit about her bio right now. Kaylee is a functional nutritionist, a human design guide. You all know I love human design. and a student of homeopathic medicine. Having spent the last seven years immersed in natural healing and the divination arts, her expertise lies in being an objective observer, an intuitive guide for those who have become disconnected from their bodies and their purpose on the planet. She has a unique ability to make abstract concepts tangible and applicable to everyday life to facilitate the healing of mind, body, and soul. All I know is it's 2021 and there needs to be a lot of mind, body, and soul healing. So thanks for coming on the show. [Speaker 3] (1:43 - 2:21) Before we go anywhere, let me jump in with something here. Let me jump in with something. Because off air, Kaylee was telling me about how she's not sure that her son is in Aries in the telescopic system astrologically, okay? So in the telescopic system, her son is in Aries, but it's not Aries that matters, Kaylee. It's what's opposite Aries, Libra, justice. Did you say the objective observer in your bio? Objective, fairness, balance, clear judgment, equilibrium, the tarot card of justice, Libra rising, Kaylee. Thanks for being here. [Speaker 1] (2:21 - 2:22) I think you just did a magic trick. [Speaker 3] (2:25 - 2:26) I can be a magician. Let me get my cup. [Speaker 2] (2:28 - 2:47) I love it, dude. Dude, I can't wait for my cup to come in the mail, dude. It's on the way. I really can't wait. Here for the truth. So Kaylee, well, Joel, do you have anything you wanna start with besides that? Or we wanna go into having you talk about yourself, Kaylee? And well, first of all, why are you here for the truth? It's a good question. [Speaker 1] (2:48 - 2:50) How can you not be here for the truth at this moment in time? [Speaker 3] (2:50 - 2:51) It's a good answer. [Speaker 2] (2:51 - 2:53) Yeah. Yeah, that's true. [Speaker 3] (2:54 - 2:55) What are you doing if you're not? [Speaker 2] (2:55 - 3:01) Well, let me ask you this. What do you think keeps people from being here for the truth? Because we're here. We created this podcast. You're on this podcast. [Speaker 1] (3:02 - 3:02) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:04 - 3:05) What do you think's the reason? [Speaker 1] (3:06 - 4:40) So I have a couple answers to that. One of them is it's kind of like, I was lucky enough to have mentors that came into my life. They were people that I really looked up to when I was in college. And then I trusted that I knew that they had a good head on their shoulders. I knew that they were leading healthier lives than my parents and other people, other adults around me that I'd witnessed in society. And I was like, they know something that I don't know. And they're living a better life than I've seen other people live. They were in their late forties. And I was like, there's something about them that just feels right. And so when they kind of introduced me to this world, I trusted it. And it just felt intuitively like, honestly, it felt like a remembering for me. It was just something that I knew like right away. I was like, yes, this is right. And then I researched it for myself. So yeah, so my answer is one, kind of having somebody to guide you in the beginning who you trust. Like, I think it's kind of hard to just go on the internet sometimes and like, what does this guy know? You know, like you don't trust the person, you don't know the person. So there's that. People don't want to know the truth is another answer. It doesn't fit in, you know, maybe their life is too fixed already. And they're like, this is how life is. This is how I was raised. This is how I want life to be. So I'm gonna put the blinders on and I'm just gonna la la la, pretend it's not happening out of, you know, that's my, it was like a choice, you know. [Speaker 3] (4:40 - 4:44) In a house burning down, but not looking at the flames. [Speaker 1] (4:45 - 5:23) They're like, I, they, you know, I was kind of talking to Joel about this off air. It's like, it's kind of traumatizing, honestly. When you first learn about this, it really is kind of like a trauma where like, oh my God, like these people are psychopaths and don't have my best interests. It's not like an easy thing to realize and to accept. So it's like, some people are just like, I can't, I literally can't accept that. Like, I'm just gonna bury my head in the sand and listen to Dr. Fauci, which funny story, I saw a I love Fauci bumper sticker the other day in Portland. So that just says everything, you know, so. [Speaker 2] (5:24 - 5:40) Wow. Yeah. What, like, what was it that drew you to, I mean, obviously there's a lot of different paths in the health world and the truth world, et cetera. Like what was it that drew you to homeopathics, holistic health and that kind of thing? [Speaker 1] (5:42 - 9:54) I did not feel good. That's basically it. So basically very ill health runs in my family. If you look at my family, there's a huge history of addiction, mental illness, physical illness. It's like rampant and everywhere. And so, you know, maybe this is my Aries son, Joel. It's like, I'm like, you know what? There's a better way and I'm gonna fight for that. And I'm gonna get there and I'm gonna figure it out because I'm not going down this road. I've seen where it leads. And so basically when I was in college, I had some like mild digestive issues. It wasn't anything crazy, but then I got an injury that just wouldn't go away. And it was kind of like, just like a smack in the head of like, hey, you're maybe not on the right path. I was in school. I thought I was gonna become a psychiatrist of all things, which, you know, I would never do now. So I basically had fallen in with these practitioners because of that, because I like, he was also a chiropractor. So it was like a husband and wife practice. And so basically they kind of put me down the rabbit hole of natural health. And I was like, okay, I need to heal myself because I wanna help other people and I can't be a good practitioner if I'm a mess, right? So it was basically that it was like, I just, I was so vigilant in finding another path because it just like life circumstances were not gonna take me down the way I had seen it take other people down. So I guess, you know, I just, I had a bit of like a fight in me and I just fell in love with it too. I really liked learning about it. It made sense to me. You know, I had gone to like conventional medicine and it's like the typical story where they don't listen to you or, you know, you just, they get a prescription and it just, it never resonated. It never felt good. And when I found people that really truly you could tell they really cared about their patients and their patients were getting better and their patients were getting off medications from, you know, some of the worst diseases being reversed. I'm just like, wow, that is amazing. And how can I not wanna share that with people? But the reason that I chose homeopathy in particular is I have a background in psychology. I've always loved psychology more than anything. Even in high school, I like managed to take psychology three times. Like they just had different versions. So I just kept taking the same class because I loved it so much. And it's just something that always fascinated me. And so like I had always wished in my mind that I could become a therapist, but actually like take the person through more tangible solutions so that they could heal themselves on all levels. So I always wanted that. And I didn't wanna get my master's. And so when I found homeopathy, it's like, wow, I basically am a therapist, except I let the person talk to me. I don't talk at them. I don't try to fix them. I don't try to diagnose them. I just put patterns together and say, hey, there's something in nature that resonates with your experience that can teach you something that can help lift your vitality, expand your consciousness in a way that is really gonna open up your life and your perspective. And so, I don't know, maybe I like psychologically profiling people. I mean, I like human design. I like astrology. I like, why are people the way they are? Why is the world the way it is? So, and homeopathy helped me a lot. It really helped me on my healing journey, just I've seen it work wonders, especially even for like generational trauma. Like I said, it came from a pretty gnarly family history. And so that was the only thing that really touched and healed that. And it was just remarkable to me. And so I wanted other people to experience that. And I just thought it was, it's becoming more needed every day. So that's basically that. [Speaker 3] (9:54 - 10:38) I love it. It's such a classic common theme with all seekers. It's that there's something within us where it's like, we look at our lives and we see that things aren't right. We sense that things aren't right. It's the little spark or willpower to actually change that, to use our discernment and not capitulate to completely outsourcing it and deciding, you know what, I'm here, I'm alive. I can do something about this. And then we look for that something and we find that something. And what we always say, our greatest wounds become our greatest gifts, right? So what we need to heal ourselves, all those challenges that we've overcome is ultimately our offering and it's our service. And it's such an amazing thing. [Speaker 1] (10:40 - 10:45) Exactly. And I think what's... Yeah. No, no, you can go, you can go. I was just agreeing. [Speaker 2] (10:46 - 12:10) Yeah. I was gonna say that, you know, there's this whole idea of pain being a great motivator for change. And so it's like, are you able to actually feel into what's wrong in your life? Because a lot of people, they don't get to that point where they like know something's wrong, but they're on the hamster wheel. They're filling themselves up with substances or addictions or distractions. So they can't really get to that root kind of discomfort or pain or understanding of self that I think can act as a catalyst to move forward. So I'm always so curious, what is it for people? Let's say like us or other people on the path of seeking, of taking personal responsibility for their health. Like, what is that thing? I'm so curious that makes a person go enough is enough. Like, I gotta take my life into my own hands and seek out these answers for myself, you know? And then we sit on the outside and we look at the world that we're living last 15 months. And we're like, well, why are people outsourcing so many decisions, especially around their health to people that they don't even really know, you know? That they just see them on the TV and they have this like love affair with authority. And it's just, it's fascinating to me. So I don't know if you wanna comment on that, what I just said or, but I just, I guess I'm just agreeing with what you both talked about, but like how to really just tap into like what you're, allowing yourself to feel what you're really feeling so then you can make changes from that place. It's just really important. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (12:10 - 14:23) Yeah, and you know, what's so interesting about it, I've thought about this a lot and it's like, how much of this was my choice and how much of it was kind of like a destiny? Like, I mean, I had to make the choice to, you know, do the daily things I had to do for my health and to grow. I had to read the books. I had to listen to the podcast, but like there was just something in me that it was like, I knew if I didn't do it, it would be really bad. I knew if I didn't, you know, I, again, I saw what happened. It's like, I mean, you know, my family history of addiction, luckily I don't have an addictive personality. Again, why is that fate? Is that my willpower? I don't know, but it's like, I saw that. It's like these traumas and these things like consume them. And it's just like, it was to this point where I was like, I just, I can't have that happen. And then it was so interesting because it felt like kind of life at that point. Like, I wonder what my transits were at the time. I need to like look them up where it's like, I was in college. I was having the typical college experience. I was 19. And then all of a sudden, like, I, you know, I was drinking alcohol, partying, all the typical stuff. And then all of a sudden my body started like rejecting alcohol. It was like, let's give you the worst hangover of your life so that you never, you wake up and that you actually see what you're supposed to do. Early on, I don't know why my story was so early. I have no idea. It was just like fate intervened. I met these practitioners. And then all of a sudden my body was like, you know what? We're just gonna like reject anything bad for you and like force you to live a healthy lifestyle and to go on this path like you're needed. Here we go, buckle up. So that's kind of how it was for me. It was just like, it was, it felt like there was very little choice in the matter, but I just, I love it at the same time. I really, I relish that because it taught me a lot about the human condition. It taught me a lot about myself. And I would trade that, you know, that journey for nothing because, you know, I almost see it as it was kind of like a preparation for things like 2020, where it's like, oh, I know what's going on. [Speaker 3] (14:24 - 14:55) Yeah, exactly. And I think that's a feeling that a lot of us actually share where it's almost like, in a sense, it does feel like we were prepared for this time. You know, it's like there's some of us here that, you know what I mean? We're not vigorously scattered looking for the answers as to why is this happening right now? Because, you know, deep down, we kind of saw it coming. So whether it's fate, destiny, whatnot, I don't know, but it's just super interesting to, I guess, observe. [Speaker 1] (14:57 - 15:58) Yeah, exactly. And it was just amazing because I really like how my teachers at the time had did it because they kind of just like dropped mini truth bombs every so often. They would just like sprinkle things in, like here or there, like, oh, you know, they like, like the first thing was like, oh, you know, they put fluoride in the water. I was like, what's fluoride? Or, you know, they have back masking and they like have symbols to like speak to your subconscious mind. Like you should Google that. And I would be like, what, what is this woman talking about? You know, it's this Hungarian woman. And she just knew she was very involved in the government there. And so she knew exactly what was going on. You know, she moved to Chicago. And so it was kind of like she was in the know and she was like, you need to look up this stuff. And then that's, that's who told me to look up Michael Tesarian's work. And I got into origins and oracles and agent manipulation. And that's where I was like, oh, shoot. [Speaker 2] (16:00 - 16:05) What's this like 11, 11 hour, 11 hour presentation, right? Agent manipulation? [Speaker 1] (16:06 - 16:45) That one's shorter, I think. But yeah, I mean, all of his presentations, like the origins and the oracles. And I was just so, it was like, you know, when I was in college and I was studying psychology, I was always like, is this it? Like, I was so bored because they, all they did was they basically taught us that humans were these things that you could control. I mean, literally like that's what we learned in psychology. It's like behaviorism. You have a tree and the dog salivates and you can program it to salivate at the sound of a bell. It's like, that was so their focus to the point that it was looking back I'm like, that was creepy as hell. [Speaker 3] (16:45 - 16:50) Because, you know, like- The psychopath smoldering man in their image, right? [Speaker 1] (16:50 - 17:07) Yeah, well, I went to a Jesuit school as well. So it's kind of funny, but that aside, it was just kind of like, wow. So they're not going to give me any real information. Got it. So, you know, I just, I was so hungry for more. I was hungry for the truth. [Speaker 2] (17:07 - 18:08) And so when I got it- It's a testament. Yeah, it's a testament to you because how many people might have, now, again, you built up a level of trust but your teacher could have, someone else's teacher could have been like, hey, so there's fluoride in the water and then someone else could have been like, you're fucking crazy. What are you talking about? You know what I mean? So again, it's like, yeah. Fluoride, I put on my teeth. Like I went to the dentist and they put the little, the gel on and then I just like do this or whatever that was, you know? I did that when I was younger. It probably explains why I do this sometimes but no, I'm just kidding. But I mean, it's just like, it's a constant unfolding and realizing, and it's some new thing. And you're like, what? Another thing, another thing, another thing. And it's just like, what clown show? What crazy world are we living in? But again, at the end of the day, we could talk about this all day, but it's like, what do we do? How are we taking care of ourselves? How are we connecting with like-minds? You know what I mean? Like controlling what we can control at the end of the day, and at the same time, we're here for the truth. We like knowing these things. [Speaker 3] (18:08 - 18:35) But you know, the thing is, man, like fluoride was one of the main catalysts for me waking up, right? But it's such a simple thing, okay? So, all right, so we have the fact that they're putting fluoride in the water. We have the fact that fluoride is a known neurotoxin. So we ask the question, why are they putting known neurotoxins, which are incredibly detrimental to our health and wellbeing into our municipal water supply? It's like, okay, something's wrong here. [Speaker 2] (18:36 - 18:38) And our teeth products. [Speaker 1] (18:38 - 18:40) Yeah, antidepressants. [Speaker 3] (18:40 - 18:41) And what, sorry? [Speaker 1] (18:42 - 18:43) Antidepressants. Antidepressants. [Speaker 3] (18:43 - 18:52) Wow. Isn't that the most simple thing? Isn't that the most simple case study and observation to show what these people are about? [Speaker 1] (18:52 - 18:56) Like- I mean, yeah, there's a medication literally called fluoroxine. [Speaker 3] (18:57 - 18:59) Crazy, absolutely crazy. [Speaker 2] (18:59 - 19:12) Yeah, and the studies, they just keep coming out, coming out on fluoride. I think it was like Fluoride Action Alert, one of those websites, it just has a list of all the studies that have gone on with fluoride. And you read them, you're like, what? Why is this even a thing? [Speaker 3] (19:13 - 19:13) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (19:13 - 19:52) But again, people just keep going on, going on, living their lives and don't think to question. Because again, they're deep down inside. I think we all want to believe that these people have our best interests in mind. We don't want to think the world is as dark as it is. We want to go about our jobs. We want to do our thing. We want to take care of our families. And I have to worry about all this stuff. And yet here we are, and we have to. My wife and I are hardcore. Like the crazy filtration systems that we put on our house and our pool, all this stuff, we don't mess around. You know what I mean? It's like, you have to. You have to take your health into your own hands. You have to investigate. You have to read every label. You have to know where your food comes from. [Speaker 3] (19:52 - 20:16) But that's the thing, right? That's the thing, right? If you know something's wrong, you fix it. Because how can you, for me, it's like, how can I continue to do something which I know is harmful to me? Why wouldn't I take the most extreme effort necessary to ensure that the one thing that matters most being the health of myself and my family is sorted, right? So it's like, how is that too hard? Is that the most important thing? [Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:57) Yeah, I think so. But again, we're not taught that. We're taught in our schools to focus on the external world. I mean, in elementary school, they're not talking about the stoma. They're not talking about the body. They're not talking about nutrition and health. So it's like, we're not given this education in our indoctrination camps known as public school. We're not given that for reasons we can get into on another podcast. But at the end of the day, you're on your journey. You're here right now. We're having this conversation. And I think it's really, really important. Now, I'm really curious. And I know we had spoken about this on a previous episode with John. But what about human design? Why did you get into human design? How does that serve you? What do you love about it? [Speaker 1] (20:58 - 25:46) Yeah, oh, perfect. So going back to the practitioners I told you about, like on day one, the first question he asked me was, oh, what's your sun sign? And I was like, I don't know what that is. And so he told me like, oh, what's your birthday? I told him, he was like, oh, you're a Pisces. And I was like, okay. So he would basically take that into mind, like medical astrology type thing. Like he would take that into mind in your protocol and stuff. And so I got into astrology at that time. Gosh, yeah, probably like seven years ago. And so I really, really loved astrology. But even before that, like I said, I was into psychology. So I always loved the typing systems like Myers-Briggs. And I didn't really get into Enneagram, but I really liked Myers-Briggs. So anything, again, like I've just always been so curious about like, who am I? Why am I here? The bigger questions. Why are other people the way they are? And again, human design had an answer for that. And for some reason, the body graph, just when I saw it, it kind of like, it resonated for me and it made more sense to me. It came more naturally for me than a natal chart did for astrology. I just found myself being able to remember it a lot easier. And that's kind of part of my design ironically is like what comes naturally is what I'm meant to do. And so I just, I really liked it because I liked that there's this idea that you didn't have to constantly push against your nature to get where you wanted to in life. That basically you had something that reflected back to you who you are and you could, you don't even have to take all of it, but you can kind of have some frame of reference of like, oh, you can see some of your blind spots, some of your pitfalls, some of your strengths that maybe you ignore or that you kind of just brush under the rug because maybe you think everybody is good at that thing when it's like, actually, no, like you specifically are really good at that. You should probably develop that skill. And I just really, honestly, like, I found it at a time where I had finished my nutrition program and I didn't wanna be a nutritionist. And I was like, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do with my life? I hadn't started my homeopathy mentorship. And again, I just really like working one-on-one with people and I like guiding them through and trying to find solutions to the problems that they're dealing with and give them some insight into why they might be dealing with that. Cause I'll look at transits and stuff like that too. I'll look at North Node cause there's astrology and human design as well. And so it's just like, you can give people such amazing insights and you can give them hope and perspective. And it just really found it really helped and it really resonated. And I had people asking me to give readings and so I just gave it a try and I ended up really liking it. And so that's how I got into human design. And yeah, again, there's just something about it that captured me and that felt really true. And that felt like, wow, I don't see people talking about this and I really wanna bring this system to the people that I love and to my friends and then eventually to clients. And I just saw amazing results in people where they would cry during sessions and they would... What I realized from my work in human design and in homeopathy is that people don't have people in their life to confide in. It's a really big deal. I know that we deal with that as people who are into alternative research, but everybody who comes to me at least, who resonates with me for some reason also is experiencing that where they're like, I've never told this to anybody before or nobody's ever seen me and just witnessed me and given me that kind of perspective on my life. They've always just tried to fix it. They've always just tried to kind of shape me in their image and say, well, I did it this way, so you should be like me and do it that way. And there was just such a healing that would happen when people were just listened to. And when you just help them to understand and gave them tools to get through whatever situation they were going through, anything from health to relationship stuff, to job stuff. And I just found that a lot of people, generators in particular, they were really just going through the motions until life kind of knocked them on their ass, whether it be their sign of return or whatever it is, some sort of hard transit would come and they would be like, oh shit, I'm unhappy. Like, I have to look at this. I'm in a book of reading with Kaylee. [Speaker 2] (25:48 - 26:11) You hit the nail on the head around something that I think is really important in healing and I think is the main difference between allopathic system versus let's say more non-allopathic, naturopathic, homeopathic, whatever is on the other side of the spectrum is that being seen and being listened to and being held is such an important part of healing. You know what I mean? [Speaker 3] (26:11 - 26:15) It's just not something- The primary basis of, yeah, sorry, go. [Speaker 2] (26:16 - 26:22) I was gonna say the primary basis- No, it's just not something, yeah, we're making a little delay here. It's all good, dude. Say what you gotta say, my man. [Speaker 3] (26:23 - 26:29) I was just gonna say the primary basis, the number one rule of healing is being heard without judgment. That's all. [Speaker 2] (26:30 - 27:47) Yeah, it's really important to be seen. And it's like our system, our allopathic system, I'm gonna go back into why this is, go back 100 years, but it's like, I feel like there are a lot of MDs, conventional MDs that went into it for certain reasons and yet they're also part of this machine, this system where it's like, I can only see certain patient, I only have this much time because it's an insurance company. I gotta fill out a prescription. It's like next patient, next patient, next patient, but it's a lot more difficult and challenging. Now I know some things are changing on that front and people are creating their own practices and integrating, of course, but the main thing is it's like what you're saying there, like to have someone be with them and to listen with them when they haven't received that from a parent figure, from a teacher, from a family member is like, I mean, just me thinking about that almost makes me wanna cry, because it's like, this is a beautiful, beautiful thing and it allows energy to move within people if they allow some of these emotions to come up, some of these realizations to happen, it's such a powerful transformational experience. And I think that's the one thing that people need to understand about different forms of healing or working with different practitioners. Sometimes the practitioner doesn't even need to do anything. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (27:48 - 30:34) I have so many things going on in my head from that. So one of them is that, they say that the reason that we hold on to all that trauma when we're kids, because it's always like you see people in psychology, natural health are always like heal the inner child, heal the inner child, it's kind of like a buzz thing. And the only reason that we hold on to that is because we don't have the words to say it. We don't have, when a kid is crying, they'll act out or something like that to get attention when they're upset. They can't convey what they're actually experiencing yet. And a lot of times the parent will just blow them off. It's not even that they're bad parents, but they're just like, oh, you're being kind of annoying. Like, why are you being so needy? They don't understand. And so the kid doesn't have a way to process that stuff out. And so when I see people come see me or in homeopathy, it's like, they literally have memories, come up when they're on these remedies that they have so long repressed, that they're like, holy shit, this is why I'm like this. This is why I moved through the world this way. This is why, maybe I don't wanna see the truth, whatever that truth is. And I see that heal in people. And it's like the most beautiful thing because finally somebody gave them the space to process this as a safe place where it's like, that's all we do in homeopathy. That's what I try to do in human design as well. It's like, I'm not just gonna hit you with, this is a generator and this is what this is. I'm like, why did you come here today? What's going on? I know there's a reason you booked this session now at this time and not two months ago when you first talked to me. So what's going on in your life? And then you'll see that when they talk it out, there's something about verbal expression that transforms the energy too. It's not just rattling around in your head. You're not just ruminating and mulling it over and making it bigger and bigger and bigger in your mind. You're getting it out. And you can do this written too, but when there's a witness to that, they just listen, they don't tell you what to do. It's like, then they start putting the pieces together for themselves of like, oh, this is what I need to do. I know how to fix this now because I can hear myself. I'm giving myself that space. It's not just getting all up in my head and trying to decide from there. And then oftentimes, when working in homeopathy, patients will have dreams where they have revelations and where healing occurs, even from people who have passed on, and they'll get healings around that. And you'll see in their psyche and their subconscious, all the things that are being worked on because they're showing up and they're being heard and they're healing. [Speaker 3] (30:34 - 30:36) And it's- And something shifted as well, right? [Speaker 1] (30:37 - 30:38) Blows my mind, yeah. [Speaker 2] (30:38 - 30:44) Can you, because obviously I feel like human design and homeopathy are like two of your main zones. [Speaker 1] (30:44 - 30:45) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (30:45 - 30:51) And depending on who's listening, can you just actually explain what homeopathy is? [Speaker 1] (30:51 - 30:51) Oh, definitely. [Speaker 2] (30:51 - 31:09) Because I feel like it's for a lot of people, it's something they've heard about. Maybe they've read an article like homeopathy is pseudo health. It doesn't work. And there's this war against homeopathy too, that's happening. And I just would love to know what is it and what's the purpose of it and how does it work? [Speaker 1] (31:10 - 38:26) Yeah, 100%. So yeah, it's so interesting because like you said, people who are kind of into the natural health space, they may know it, they may have seen it on the grocery store shelves. They'll see like Arnica, that's a really popular one because it's for like broken bones or some sort of injury. Maybe you hiked for too long. You take Arnica and oh, my soreness went away or you see homeopathy for the flu or these kind of like generic all encompassing remedies. And people will kind of think it's like, basically like the sugar pellet form of herbal medicine or something. And it just couldn't be further from the truth. That's just kind of like everything kind of in our society. And unfortunately, even in the natural world, I find things have been so watered down. Things have been so, let's make a protocol so I can sell you a program. Because in the age of social media, people, they just wanna buy some program that is built for everybody that's gonna heal them. And I find that unfortunately, fewer and fewer actually working one-on-one with people. They kind of just wanna sell them something. And so basically homeopathy just doesn't work like that. It can help in acute situations where we wanna run out to the Whole Foods and get some Arnica, that's fine, but it's so, so much deeper than that. And that's why some people think that homeopathy doesn't work because homeopathy is based on resonance. So basically in quantum physics, if you have two things that vibrate at the same frequency, they cancel each other out. So you're looking for something in nature that has that same expression. So say you're stung by a bee and you have a really itchy bee sting and you're allergic to bees and you have all these symptoms, you can take the remedy Apis, which is made from a bee, but it's just like a very, it's like quantum, you can even call it nano, I guess. Like it's so, like the material for the most part has been extracted. So really all that's left, and I know this is gonna kind of blow people's minds are gonna be like, what? But really what's left of the substance is the consciousness. So there's something in the consciousness of that thing that's gonna heal it and it's gonna cancel it out. Now that's a very acute kind of generic version, but let's say, so basically how homeopathy was found, it was found in the 1800s by Samuel Hahnemann. And he proved this plant called China. And so essentially he found that you could take these toxic substances in nature and dilute them so much that only the healing effects would be left. And he found that if you gave this homeopathic remedy to a healthy person, they would temporarily produce the symptoms, the toxicology symptoms. But the toxicology symptoms say like you're nauseous, you have diarrhea. A sick person with nausea and diarrhea takes this and it cures it because it cancels it out. So that's why you have to find something that's so, so, so specific to you to work for you because you're finding that inner resonance that something, there's something in nature because nature was created perfectly, whether the remedy is from a mineral, whether it's from an animal, whether it's from a plant, there's something out there that resonates with your experience. Like I had my friend Laura on the podcast, on my podcast yesterday, we recorded, and I had her see the homeopath that I'm studying with. And I think that this story illustrates it beautifully. So she had this really gnarly psoriasis that just went on and on and on. And she's a nutritionist, she knows everything about health, it would not go away. That and she had these headaches that made her dizzy. And so I was like, hey, you should go see Doug, my homeopath. And she's like, I don't know if I believe in that. And that's always how it starts. And rightly so, I always honor skepticism. And she's like, all right, well, I'm desperate. So I'm gonna go see this guy. And basically the session is two hours long to start and you just tell your whole story. You fill out a ton of forms on like everything about you and your family history. And we just take notes the whole time. And we notice the pattern of like, what makes your symptoms better? What makes it worse? What was the trauma like in your family? What was your mom like? What was your dad like? What was your in utero experience like? What have you taken on that you can't seem to get past? Where are you stuck? Where can we liberate you? Where can we gently introduce a healing substance into your body that will naturally heal whatever it is and it heals you on the whole spectrum. It heals you physically, mentally, and spiritually. And we don't know why it does that, but it does. It's homeopathy is something you have to experience with a homeopath to fully comprehend its magic. But so to make a long story short, she had seen him. She had had several sessions. She told her story. And essentially she had come to the appointment one time wearing leopard print. And she kept talking about her love of cats. And oh my gosh, I've loved cats my whole life. I'm a Leo. My last name is Lions. My business name, you know, like all this stuff. I don't wanna like give away like who she is or anything. And so everything like, you know, she had orange cats and funny enough. So when the provers, they just take like a small amount like basically homeopaths have to know a guy and they knew a guy who, you know, they basically they did a proving of the remedy leopards. They just take a small amount of the milk, you know at the zoo or something. They don't hurt the animal at all. The prover takes this to see what can this cure in a sick person. And in the remedy picture is somebody who has to hide in plain sight because they camouflage, leopards camouflage. And so sure enough in our whole history, it's like, you know she was hiding in plain sight. She didn't speak at family gatherings. She had to hide her symptoms. She wouldn't talk about them. She would pretend that she's okay. You know, she's a man Jen. So she's really fast and really active and quick. And, and when he told her, he was like, oh leopard fits your picture. She was like, what? So she took the substance and everything cleared. She hasn't, she, she had headaches, migraines debilitating migraines. I'm saying like for ever since I knew her, like for she's been sick since she's a kid. This remedy cleared it. Like hasn't had a headache in nine months. Unheard of. Unheard of. [Speaker 3] (38:26 - 38:29) As above, so below. As within, so without. [Speaker 2] (38:29 - 38:30) Let's go for a change of lighting real quick here. [Speaker 1] (38:31 - 38:45) And it's just like, it was, and I saw her go through it too, which was so cool. Like I saw her, her psoriasis healing. She was sending me pictures of her rash and it was just healing and healing. And she tried everything. And it's like, that tells us that like, so why are we sick? [Speaker 3] (38:46 - 38:57) Yeah. But like, I find it interesting that there was something in within her psyche, in her subconscious that was actually hinting to the remedy, right? What is, what is that correlation? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (38:58 - 39:01) Happens so often, Joel, it's scary. [Speaker 3] (39:02 - 39:08) So it's, it's A hidden, hidden in plain sight again, right? The answer was hidden in plain sight. [Speaker 1] (39:08 - 40:30) Yeah. And it's, it, and it happens less so with mineral remedies. Cause it's like, somebody's not going to be like I love calcium. You know what I mean? It's just like, it doesn't happen with animals and plants. Like a lot of herbalists resonate with plant remedies. You know, for example, but you know, for example there was a patient who needed a remedy from an orchid on the video call, her entire house had orchids in it. Her entire house. And she fit the picture completely. Orchid helps with relationship issues and conflict. And there's, it's, it's, it has the history of the plant within the remedy because orchids are like the only flower that humans have like hunted for sport. So there's this, there's this movie I'm forgetting. It has Nicholas Cage in it. And it's all about orchids. And it actually tells the story of like the picture of an orchid remedy where essentially it's like people will do crazy things and go to the jungle and lie and cheat and to get these very rare orchids. And there's a similar picture in patients who need it. You know, they often will have like a very dramatic relationships. Maybe there's drugs in the picture. I know they have all these ailments from that. And it's just so crazy. It's like, if you resonate with something it's usually for a reason. And there's something, like you said in your psyche, that's like, it's a track. It's like, it's thoughts. [Speaker 2] (40:30 - 40:35) Well, it's almost like, you know what I mean? Adaptation was the name of the movie. Adaptation. Oh, nice. [Speaker 3] (40:35 - 40:35) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (40:35 - 40:36) Yes. [Speaker 3] (40:36 - 41:29) It's like the unconscious truly does always hold holds all the answers. And it's just about creating enough space to actually hear that voice and to, and to get that answer. So even if the unconscious is projecting in outer reality you know what I mean? Those answers as well. It's so fascinating. But the thing that holds most people off from ever considering this path in any legitimate way or considering these concepts as something something real, tangible, improvable is as I speak of so often, we live in such a left-brained society where we're so, everything's so disconnected, right? And because we, our right-brain consciousness has been almost completely closed off. We're so often unable to connect those dots between the unconscious, the conscious and make these connections which obviously can help us greatly. [Speaker 1] (41:31 - 43:39) Yeah. And it's so funny because we get all types of people in the office. You know, we get, we get husbands that are being dragged in by their wives who read something on the internet or we're getting wives dragged in from their husbands or, you know, it's like, there are a lot of people who come to homeopathy because they really are desperate. And they just, you know, for some reason, they just, they want to give it a try. And it's like, even a lot of homeopaths I've found it's like, oftentimes like, I've read this story over and over again where their kid gets an ear infection. It's just like one of those things, it's incurable. The antibiotics don't work. And then their friend is like, hey, have you tried homeopathy? And they reluctantly go and they're like, this is bullshit. And then their kid's ear gets better in like 48 hours without any residual side effects, without any trace of any inflammation. And it's just like, it's magic. It's just like, it's insane. And so it's like when, that's why I say when people experience it, it's amazing. And I've seen it work, not just with physical ailments. Like I've said, I've seen it work with trauma. I've seen it work with addiction. And that's what I love about homeopathy is you don't come in like, and get labeled something. And that's something that I was thinking of earlier is that I've even had that experience with natural medicine. You know, Portland is like the land of naturopaths. And I remember going to a naturopath, I was actually trying to get body work, but she was also a naturopath. So I kind of like accidentally saw a naturopath, I guess. And she would just not let it go of like, you need to get blood work for this. And I think you should do this and this. And like instilling a great sense of fear. And labeling, there's all these labels. And I'm just like, whoa. Like, it's just, you know, they just wanna give you, instead of giving you a prescription for, you know, I don't know, an antacid or something, whatever, they give you a supplement. It's the same thing. They don't actually get to the root and see what's the real problem here. And again, that comes back to like, why are we sick? [Speaker 3] (43:40 - 43:40) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (43:41 - 44:10) The symptom is trying to tell us that we're out of alignment, that something's going on. Like I said, it had to go back to that person's childhood where she had learned to hide and her body wasn't gonna let her get better until she saw that, because then her business took off. Like when I tell you her business took off, her business took off after this remedy. It's crazy. She has a waiting list. She was a new nutritionist. She was like, just something in her just blossomed and you become more of yourself. And the symptoms subsides as a result. [Speaker 3] (44:11 - 44:21) Yeah. Like there's so many correlations to our blockages and there's always a, I don't know about always, but in most cases, there's generally an emotional connection to the physical ailment that shows up as well. [Speaker 2] (44:23 - 45:59) Yeah. And I think what's important is that, you know, disease or symptoms, you know, people think that's the problem when very often it's the body adapting and trying to heal itself. And, you know, you and I, Kaylee, we spoke real briefly on germatic new medicine and it's something that I'm about to start studying. We're gonna have a guest on in the future to go deeper into that. And I feel like there's complimentary nature between homeopathy and even GNM, which is like understanding like, what are these little internal conflicts that happen in your life? And then what biological programs do they set off? And then how can you ultimately support the body to heal itself? And so from what I'm hearing, it feels like homeopathy works on so many different levels to help resolve some of these internal conflicts to support what the body does. There's an innate intelligence to the body, which is heal. It's always trying to heal itself. And it's like, how do we get out of its way? How do we support it in the best way possible? Whether it's through, you know, good nutrition, homeopathy, body work, meditation, you know, expression, creativity, whatever that is. It's like, we have to create an environment and be in an environment for our bodies to do what they do naturally. Like if I cut my finger right now and just kind of just chilled here for a few days, it's gonna start doing its thing. You know, I mean, look, just look at it, you know, time-lapse on my finger, it's gonna heal itself. It wants to get to that place. And yet most people, a large majority of people just like are not supporting that process, you know? And then hence chronic disease, et cetera. [Speaker 3] (45:59 - 46:08) Well, in fact, we're actually hindering that process and bombarding that process with traditional modes of trying to treat these problems where we're adding to the problem. [Speaker 2] (46:10 - 46:45) Yeah. And interrupting a natural healing process. The body is healing. And so we take these drugs or even supplements in some cases to not get to the root cause, to kind of interrupt and disrupt something. When very often, if you just like laid in your room and just kind of like slept and rested and drank some water, you know, for a week, you know, it's like, great, you're cool. You know what I'm saying? Instead, it's like, no, I got a fever. I gotta take this medicine. Oh, I got a cold. I gotta take Robitussin and a cough. I gotta take Robitussin. I gotta push the thing. I gotta keep pushing everything down. I gotta keep interrupting my body's natural process. [Speaker 3] (46:45 - 47:06) Yeah. I can't face it in a real way. I can't feel it, right? And this is so relative to how, you know what I mean? We live our lives as well, right? We don't wanna feel anything directly. It's just, you know what I mean? How can I put it off as long as possible? Whereas really, if we just created the space to feel these things, then healing will occur. [Speaker 2] (47:07 - 47:07) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (47:08 - 47:08) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (47:08 - 47:12) Again, back to what you said before about holding space for your client. [Speaker 3] (47:12 - 47:13) Yes. [Speaker 2] (47:13 - 47:42) You know, allowing, even just allowing them, because maybe in their day-to-day life, when they're home, they're like, okay, I got my phone and I got this and I'm moving from one thing to the next. But when they come and they invest some money to spend an hour or an hour and a half or whatever with someone, by you creating that environment, they're entering an environment that they don't experience in their day-to-day life, maybe ever. And so again, back to that, like that space is allowing things to bubble up to the surface and to move. And it supports a healing process and a healing journey. [Speaker 3] (47:43 - 47:51) And on some level though, like their unconscious called them through that session and they allowed that to take place, right? [Speaker 1] (47:52 - 48:26) Yeah, it's so interesting because it's like, that's exactly what we're so programmed to do is like the slightest hint of discomfort. Or when somebody asks you how your day is, your initial gut response or like your initial reactions, like I'm fine, I'm fine. You know, just like immediate suppression to the point where, you know, it's like even on a micro level, like this is an example that comes to mind. I had a quick coffee recently. I was like, all right, I'm gonna try this no caffeine thing. I was like, wow, what the coffee was covering up. Suppressing, you know what I mean? [Speaker 2] (48:26 - 48:29) It's like- We've had this conversation. We've had this conversation about coffee before. [Speaker 1] (48:29 - 50:52) Exactly, exactly. And so it's like, you don't realize, like, you know, you don't even mean to suppress it. Sometimes it's like, it comes up and then it's, it's interesting too, because, you know, I just saw a patient this morning. It was like, his ailments would always be worse when he had a conflict at work. So it's like going back to the GNM conflict thing. It's like, let's see, let's get him to see what is triggering it, because it's not just, you know, Wheaties and pizza. You know what I mean? There's something that's causing this physical symptom to flare up in his life. And so it's like, every time I have a conflict with my boss or every time my mom calls or every time whatever, it's like this thing flares up. And it's so interesting because it's like, okay, now we know what the specific remedy is gonna be because that remedy is good for ailments from, we always say, what's the ailment from? It's an ailment from a conflict. And it's an ailment from, you know, some people get ailments like say before a podcast, you know, they have anticipatory anxiety and then their stomach flares up and it's like, okay, there's something that in nature that can help you with that. And it's so interesting because the other thing that I like about things like human design and homeopathy is it really starts the introspective process for people where they really, for the first time, are being in relationship with themselves, seeing how everything's connected, seeing how their life has played out. Because, you know, say I have, you know, there's people that come a lot of times, they're like 70 or 80 years old, and they have to go back and look at their whole life story and how it played out and all the patterns, all the reoccurring lessons that were coming up again and again that they didn't address, that they didn't see. And then at the end of the session, they're like, oh my God, they're like, I didn't see, like this thing kept coming up again and again, and I didn't even realize it. And so it's just so cool because you start to see people actually introspecting and journaling and writing down their dreams and working with all of these things that they've never done before. And sure enough, their symptoms clear up alongside it because then the remedy helps to actually lift and liberate that energy. So it doesn't always have to be like such a heady, like I need to figure this out kind of thing. It's a natural, like vital response from the body. [Speaker 3] (50:52 - 52:06) Carl Jung said, it's the privilege of a lifetime to become who you truly are. And this is what these arts are about, be it human design, be it tarot, be it astrology, be it numerology, all it is, it's opening up space for you to have direct communion with your living oracle, right? We all have that within us, constantly speaking to us, constantly communing to us, constantly trying to hint us what to do next to actually heal, to actually grow. And as we listen to that, we can begin to deal with it. And people often bypass it because they think the thing that's coming up is too small, too small of a problem to actually be the issue. What people don't realize is that we have to deal with the most surface level thing too before we can go any deeper as to what's really underlying at all, right? And I've had that direct experience as well for a long time. I mean, I was dealing with a health problem and I didn't realize what I was linked to, but the moment I paid attention to my direct reality and dealt with the thing that was in my face first and foremost, without bypassing to the root problem, then I was able to bit by bit go deeper and deeper down that journey and down that process. [Speaker 1] (52:08 - 52:48) It's amazing. Yeah, and it's like you said, you just kind of have to take the first step in it too. And to see that there's a reason that you're presenting with a physical health problem. And if you do it right, you're gonna be so much better than you were before. And you're gonna be an entirely new person. You're gonna be literally like reborn. And that's always what I hope for people is that they don't even recognize themselves after they've gone through the healing journey. And they're like, wow, my relationships are different. My job is different. I'm more in my purpose. It's not just, oh, my headaches went away. It's like your whole life changes for you. [Speaker 3] (52:48 - 53:39) Yeah, and the issue is that, like, I mean, we live in a society that's so inclined towards instant gratification and just wanting the problems to be dealt with and not having to go through the authentic process of figuring it out on your own and bit by bit working it out and unraveling it. So then it becomes real for you. And you know, actually what you did to get from A to B. And it's a permanent thing. We just haven't outsourced the answer to someone else. And constantly replayed this savior programming, which we've been conditioned, you know what I mean? To be inclined towards for so long. And this is such a fundamental thing is the concept of self-responsibility. And once we make these connections and someone like you or any other healer or therapist can just nudge them onto that path of you actually have all the answers within you intrinsically, start listening. [Speaker 1] (53:41 - 55:09) Exactly, exactly. And it's beautiful once it happens. And, you know, that's why, you know, I love astrology and tarot and all the divination arts. Really, it's like, you know, we talk about resonance. It's like, okay, well, if homeopathy doesn't resonate with you, go to something else. Just start, start the process and see what you're drawn to, see what pulls you. And there's gonna be something in that that you need, to look at and process. And it's really never too late. And, you know, homeopathy as a modality, you know, we get people that, you know, other people turn away, that are, they're too scared to work with them. It's too serious or, you know, or, you know, people that are really written off in society, like people with schizophrenia, say, you know, like that are just like on the margins of society and that their family doesn't want them. They're on the streets or, you know, just crazy things that we see come into the office. And it's just amazing that everything really is healable and there really is a reason for everything. And that's what I really love about it is because, you know, again, you don't just like give them a pill to, you know, just quiet them and to further the repression so that the symptom then manifests in a different way. And that's oftentimes what happens when we repress is we think that we cured that, but oftentimes it just comes out in a different way. And a lot of times it's even louder. [Speaker 3] (55:09 - 55:12) Because now it's even louder. It's small when it comes out of the skull, yeah. [Speaker 1] (55:13 - 55:47) Yeah, and it's like in homeopathy, it's interesting because it's like, there is a direction of cure. And so usually the mental emotional will get better before the physical body will get better. And so it just goes to show like how important it is to care for our psyche and to care for, you know, our mental gardens and to really take care of that and to know ourselves. And it's just because the physical pathology there, there's a root in there from that. And so it's just interesting to see like the unfolding of the healing process and like what the body prioritizes. [Speaker 3] (55:47 - 56:37) Yeah, yeah, definitely. And as you said, like knowing yourself is primary because it's hard for us to hear that still small voice when we lost in the ocean, when we think we're everybody else and we think that what works for everybody else is what works for us. And everyone else's strategy authority is the same as our strategy authority, right? But until you take that journey and you mean you use these arts and you realize that no, my inclinations and proclivities are like this. And by utilizing the methods that are meant for us, then we have that sense of individuality and we realize that we don't have to be like everybody else. And it's okay for us to solve our issues in the ways which are unique to us. And yeah, to me, that's the most incredible thing. And that's the gift that I like to share as well. [Speaker 2] (56:38 - 59:33) It's so empowering. That's the one thing I love about all these art forms, divination arts, esoteric sciences, whatever you wanna call them and human design, it's had a huge impact in my life in that regard. Cause it's like, I am my own being, I am my own person. And the way I live my day-to-day life isn't gonna be different than how my wife does. And it brings me back to this place of a deeper level of self-acceptance and compassion for others. I mean, when Sophie and I started dating, I had already known a little bit about human design, but realizing that she was a projector and I was a generator, there was definitely big differences in kind of our aura and our energy and how we operate. And just by understanding her more on that level, it allowed me to relate to her in a different way, which again, when you're in a relationship, I mean, people say the cliche things all the time, like good communication makes a relationship last forever. You know what I mean? But it's like, what tools are there to support better communication? And first and foremost, it starts, yeah, it's like first and foremost, it starts with knowing yourself. We keep coming back to knowing yourself. The self-knowledge is the foundation of all knowledge, in my opinion, that's where it starts there. And then when you know yourself, then first and foremost, you can take responsibility when you're being a dick. You know what I mean? There's times we're in a partnership where it's like, we get into a little thing, because you're human, you're gonna get triggered. Like, so if you'll do something or I'll do something, and it's like, okay, I step away, maybe I need to process. And then I go, okay, I did that or I did that. And then human design in a lot of ways is supportive of that. I mean, we're all emotionals here, right? You're an emotional, Joel's an emotional, I'm an emotional. And so just learning that simple fact and understanding that emotional types, emotional authorities are always kind of living on a little wave. Now, again, depending on the gates, et cetera, you know, your waves might look different. You know, Sophie's got the build, build, build, build, and then, you know, kind of let it all out kind of thing. I think I have like three of them or something, three different ones. Anyways, point being is that that changed my life because then it was just like, oh, I'm on a wave right now. And so I'm in partnership with Sophie and she's like, baby, I'm gonna wave. Okay, okay, cool, okay. And sometimes her wave would trigger my wave. And so we understand that about each other. Instead of like getting to this argument, it's like we get what's happening on this like subatomic level, you know, and this emotional level. And I think, again, this is what I think is the genius of human design is it really supports you, number one, in making better decisions for yourself and understanding these little nuances. It's just like, even though it includes astrology, it's just like a different thing. You know, they all have their own thing, like astrology, numerology, they're all awesome. And human design is awesome too, but like they add their different piece to the pie of self-knowledge and self-acceptance. Would you agree with that? [Speaker 1] (59:33 - 1:01:01) Oh yeah, 100%. And what I like about it too is like, you know, that's why I say like I act as an objective observer because it's always easier to see it in other people than in yourself. And that's why I like, you know, these tools where you can look at your own chart because it's like, oh, you can try to be an objective witness to it too. And like, yeah, I do do that or I do act like that. And then you can take your power back and change it. And that's, you know, ultimately all of my work that I do and the work that I will continue to do is to really liberate people and to help free people to get them out of the system and to take their power back. Because, you know, homeopathy had an answer for this virus all along. They did it in Cuba. Even the government funded homeopathy in Cuba because homeopathy originally was for epidemics. That's what they used it for. They used it for tuberculosis. And it's really simple and it's really cheap. And that's why they don't want you to have it. Yeah, and so it's interesting. And it's like anything that can put the power back into people's hands where they don't have to be afraid. You know, for example, like I wasn't afraid for one second because I knew homeopathy. I wasn't afraid. I'm not even afraid of, you know, that thing that they put in your arm because you can make a remedy from that thing and heal it and reverse it. Even if you get the damages. [Speaker 3] (1:01:02 - 1:01:03) Wow. [Speaker 2] (1:01:05 - 1:02:15) There's a lot of solutions out there, that's for sure. And I hear you, same here. Like, I wasn't afraid for one second because again, like Joel said, and I think you said earlier, it's like, we've been preparing for this. We've been getting ready for this. You know, like what opened up my mind to a lot of things that I won't get into, it was in 2004, 2005, I got exposed to some things around HIV and AIDS and Dr. Fauci and his role in all that. So it's like, I realized like what role he played and the corruption that lies in his history. And it's like, I started seeing him as like the poster child. I was like, all right, cool. What are we doing right now? What's this all about? On top of all the other stuff, when you start thinking about Event 201, you start thinking about Agenda 2030, anyone who's read into all that stuff, understands the trajectory that we've been on and what we're moving towards. So again, it comes back to self-knowledge, investigation, learning, and making decisions for yourself and taking ownership of your life, you know, instead of putting into these psychopaths, these people that don't really care, these globalists, like, no, this is my life. I'm gonna take ownership of it. I'm gonna know what I'm eating. I'm gonna learn things. You know what I mean? Like, it's just so, so important, I think, to do that. [Speaker 3] (1:02:15 - 1:02:21) Why wouldn't you wanna be the commander of your own life? Like, why wouldn't you wanna sail that ship yourself? Right? [Speaker 1] (1:02:22 - 1:02:55) Exactly. And it's like, you know, and there needs to be challenges and hardships in your life. It's like, you know, when you don't sharpen a knife, it's dull. You kind of need that resistance, that friction to sharpen the knife and to help your soul's evolution, whatever that means for you. It's like, whatever your journey is, you need a wake-up call. You need a Pluto transit, you need a Saturn, you know? You need all these things to shake up your life because otherwise, you know, humans can be kind of lazy and complacent. [Speaker 2] (1:02:55 - 1:02:56) Yeah. Exactly. [Speaker 1] (1:02:56 - 1:02:59) And do you hear- Yeah, and that's where fear will come in. [Speaker 2] (1:02:59 - 1:03:21) Like you said, fear will come in when you feel like you don't have, you're not the commander of your own ship. I have no control. I don't know what to do, you know? Or as opposed to, oh, I have the solutions. Oh, homeopathy? Cool. Oh, human design? Okay, I'm triggered right now. Cool. Periscopes? Oh, I know my, all right, cool. Got it, great. You know what I mean? Yeah. Knowledge, critical thinking. [Speaker 3] (1:03:22 - 1:03:23) Yeah, definitely, man. [Speaker 2] (1:03:23 - 1:03:23) That's the key. [Speaker 3] (1:03:24 - 1:04:21) Yeah. And like this apathy is sold to us. They want us to be in a constant apathetic state where it's almost like, we think it's insurmountable to have responsibility. We think everything's determined by the forces of fate. We think that we have no choice whatsoever. And this is what we've been primed and conditioned to believe for the longest possible time. And for good reason, because it doesn't serve us. And it serves this psychopathic agenda. But yeah, man, people are stepping out of that. People are waking up. The more control that's asserted at this point in time, I feel like always has a bigger and bigger counter effect on the other side. And it's something that really can't be contained anymore. I mean, the genie's not going back in the bottle. These people aren't going back in the dark corner. It's, you know what I mean? The roll-on's happening and it's incredibly exciting. And I'm excited that, you know what I mean? We can learn how to surf. [Speaker 1] (1:04:23 - 1:05:27) Yeah. And it's like, they have to use the fear because then all logic goes out the window. You know, it's like that base animal instinct. It's like, oh God, am I? It's like, you have to have your basic safety need met to be able to do anything else. So they're constantly trying to shake that up. I mean, I see that in little ways every single day. Like for example, there's gonna be a heat wave in Portland this weekend. And it's not just saying, hey, you know, put your AC on or maybe get a portable AC. They're like, no, historic heat wave that will destroy the forest and do this and that. And like, they have to make it this, like the most traumatic thing possible. It's like, actually it's just gonna be hot for a couple of days. They have to do it. And the COVID thing is failing. Now they're like, what's my climate change card? It's like, we're having a little bit too much fun out here. I think we need to turn up the fear a little bit and do the doomsday, you're gonna die scenario a different way because you're getting a little bit too hip to the COVID. [Speaker 2] (1:05:28 - 1:05:31) There's a new heat variant that's coming. [Speaker 3] (1:05:32 - 1:06:32) You know what it is? When they have you in this low frequency, apathetic state, then you've completely absolved to any mystery that exists within life. And without the mystery, of course, you're gonna be lazy. Of course, you're just gonna be a couch potato. Of course, you're gonna, you know what I mean? Just continue to leak everything, all your energy, all your power, because you truly are in a state where you believe that, you know what I mean? You have no control. You believe that you're here by accident. You believe that, you know what I mean? There's nothing that you can do except, you know, just experience what there is to experience and without asserting anything. And that's where, so reawakening the mystery is such an important concept to me in dealing with my clients, because I feel like that's primary to actually being motivated to do anything is by realizing that you have a unique blueprint as an individual on earth. And that's fucking awesome. [Speaker 1] (1:06:33 - 1:07:26) And it's like going back to the design piece too, with generators, it's like, generators, unfortunately, like they're most of the population. And unfortunately, they're the most programmable, especially with like OpenHead and Ajna. It's like, Ra Uruhu, the founder of Human Design, he was like, generators make the best slaves. And that's a hard truth, because a lot of them, they're so good at working. They're like the worker bees that, you know, they think it's normal to have the nine to five monotonous life. They think it's normal to just go through the motions because they actually have the most capacity to do so versus the other types. And so they're the easiest to kind of siphon life force out of. And just like, okay, you work for me, you're gonna, instead of building your own life, you're gonna help to build somebody else's, you know, bank account, basically. [Speaker 2] (1:07:26 - 1:07:31) Now, when you say generators, are you saying straight generators or are you including manifesting generators? [Speaker 1] (1:07:32 - 1:07:34) I include anybody with sacral definition. [Speaker 2] (1:07:34 - 1:07:34) Sacral. [Speaker 1] (1:07:35 - 1:08:37) You can siphon it, that's what people want. And that's why you have to wait to respond. Because if you just say yes to anything, okay, your life force is the most precious thing that you have. Without it, you're dead, you're done. So are you gonna allow somebody to siphon your life force or not? That's what it comes down to. And that's why you have to listen to that gut response. Is this right for me? Is this person shady? Is this person trustworthy? And you know, that's when the mind often kicks in and it's like, well, but I got a mortgage and blah, blah, blah. They tell themselves these stories that are not true. And it's just like, because that sacral motor, it has so much life force and capacity to give and capacity to work and do and do and do. It's like, you know, those are the people that are targeted the most because projectors and manifestors, like manifestors will tell their boss, you know, to fuck off. Or like, you know, if they're, if they're, if they haven't been- If they're not traumatized. Yeah, if they're not conditioned. [Speaker 2] (1:08:37 - 1:08:38) If they're not traumatized or conditioned, yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:08:38 - 1:09:15) Subservient. But they're still more likely because they have that anger signature. They have better access to their anger. Whereas generators, we just get frustrated and we take it out on ourselves. We take it out on ourselves. We numb it. And projectors, you know, they're more likely to just not be able to get out of bed and they have to change something. Reflectors, even more so. So as generators, man-gents, got to watch out for that. You know, it's like, you have to really be careful saying yes to things because that's your most precious resource. And that's something that everybody's going to want from you. [Speaker 3] (1:09:16 - 1:09:18) Yeah. And like, not everyone should be given the opportunity, you know? [Speaker 2] (1:09:19 - 1:10:31) No, not at all. And like, that was a big lesson for me is that I tend to be someone who was always like, you combine it with being a people pleaser when I was younger. It was like, I just, I'll work a double shift. Oh, I'll work, you know, I'll do this. I'll hang out. Oh, I'll do this. Let's do, you know, like, it was just nonstop. And once I learned, and this was actually before human design, but once I learned like the two most important letters in the English language, which is no and oh, you know, like things changed for me. Like, I remember when it was like, people would ask me to do something and I felt like I had to explain a reason why I couldn't do it. And then I just was like, no, I'm unavailable, period. No explanation needed. Like, I'm allowed to be like, no, that doesn't work for me, you know? And then obviously the whole human design thing brought it to a whole nother level of nuance and understanding. The question I want to ask you is, obviously, let's say 40, 50%, whatever the number is of generators are going to not have a pure sacral authority. They're going to be emotionals. So how does the sacral play into not being, obviously, the authority for someone who's emotionally defined? Like, how do those two dance? So you're asking- Yeah, how does someone tune into that sacral? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:10:32 - 1:10:37) Okay, so are you asking if somebody has emotional definition? How do they tune in? [Speaker 2] (1:10:38 - 1:10:51) If the generator, a manifesting generator, has an emotional authority, what's the interplay? What's the dance between the sacral and the emotions, obviously, when making decisions? Because I'm so curious about that. [Speaker 1] (1:10:52 - 1:15:07) Yeah, so I find that you'll find your weak spot in where the centers connect. So for example, I have my chart up and my solar plexus or my emotional center connects to my heart or my ego. And so it's like my decision-making capacity is going to be more likely to be influenced by something work-related. You know, it's, again, like that yes, man, that yes, I'll do this shift, yes, I'll do that. It's more likely to produce kind of like a yes or no, yes or no indecisiveness. That and so anything that's gonna connect to your sacral. So I also have a root connection. So when I'm under stress and there's specific things that will stress me out based on my chart, that's where I'll get really indecisive. That's where I'll have to ride out that emotional wave longer because the wave comes back and it comes back and it comes back and it comes back. And I've, you know, the interesting thing too from my experience and from people I've talked to is like, if you have an emotional wave about something and you say yes, that's not gonna stop. So, you know, if you- What's not gonna stop? So you're gonna keep having that, should I stay or should I go kind of energy. So for example, you know, I have a client and they move somewhere and they're always kind of unsure about it because whenever they go there, you know, there's some emotional response around it. Maybe like they're afraid about the rent cost or something. And so, you know, their emotional center is connected to their center of money, the ego center. So money things trigger their emotional wave. And so anytime they have to make a decision regarding money, their emotional wave gets triggered. And, you know, there's different open centers also the not sell themes of open centers that play a role here as well. But let's say like you go to Los Angeles and you're always unsure about it, but you say yes anyway. Even if you're happy with that decision and maybe even if it was right for you, you're gonna have emotional waves about it. Oh, I fucking hate people in LA or, oh, I don't like this or that. Or you know what I mean? It's like, there's always gonna be an emotional quality to that even if it was the right decision for you at the time. And that's what I find so interesting is that even if it's right, that emotional wave is still gonna play a role and make you question it. And probably because it's not like a forever thing, but it's just interesting because that emotional wave really does affect your clarity. And, you know, I find that the other two centers that really play a big role in the emotional center kind of going off or the open head center where you see everybody else's point of view and then it sends you into a wave like, well, they said this is right. And I don't know, I don't like trust what I know to be true. And so I can't make a decision, I'm emotional. Then the other one is the open identity center because they wanna follow somebody else's lead because their identity fluctuates so often. So they're like, well, my friend had a good experience with this. I'm just gonna do what she did. So, you know, and there's a lot of emotions that come up around identity or around what, you know, here for the truth, for example, the truth, like what's true in the head center. It's like, if it's open, you only ever know 80% for certain that you really, really, really believe something. Maybe something resonates deeply, but you're always kind of like, I don't know, I can kind of see it that way too. So that sets off the emotions and clouds the judgment again. And so it really is kind of this cycle and we all have things that, you know, like you were saying, like things that trigger our wave or the way the wave operates. And so it's like, you really have to give yourself as much time as you need until you have that absolute clarity, that absolute neutral point about it. You're not too excited and you're not too pessimistic or down in the dumps. And that's where I think having somebody else, like, you know, do a tarot reading for you or something that- Who's gonna say, yeah. Yeah, something that your sacral can respond to that's objective, that's outside of your head. [Speaker 3] (1:15:07 - 1:15:07) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:15:07 - 1:15:13) Can really help because it's like, then your gut's like, yeah, I know. [Speaker 3] (1:15:14 - 1:15:20) Yeah, well, I've got a staff of 78, which I turn to for the most difficult questions, right? [Speaker 1] (1:15:20 - 1:15:25) Exactly, and sometimes I don't even like to pull for myself because it's still like, I have a blind spot. [Speaker 2] (1:15:26 - 1:15:40) Yeah, I had a challenging thing that happened recently and Joel goes, let's pull some cards. And it definitely brought some more peace and understanding to my situation, that's for sure. Yeah, well, I mean, tarot is goodies. [Speaker 3] (1:15:41 - 1:16:12) Yeah, tarot is, again, it's just allowing space for the unconscious to relay the message that it needs to relay. Because when we pick a card and the cards are upside down, our conscious mind is bracketed, but the unconscious is directing and it's just allowing that process to unfold. And I mean, it's the same with, I feel like there's a resonance with that in homeopathy and in the kinesiology, right? Like I use tarot as a diagnostic tool in that sense. So it's just tapping into the unconscious, that's all it is. [Speaker 1] (1:16:13 - 1:16:43) Yeah, that's so true. And it's like, I think it is so good to always be aware of that, like as an emotional being, it's like whatever your type is, if you have that defined, it's like you need the objective outside party sometimes, especially when it's something that's particularly like triggering for you personally. And you have to know that no matter how bad it looks in the moment, in like 48 hours, it's gonna look so much different to you and you're gonna be so happy that you didn't jump into something. [Speaker 2] (1:16:44 - 1:16:48) Like respond to an email and be like, go fuck yourself. [Speaker 1] (1:16:48 - 1:16:48) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:16:49 - 1:16:57) And just be like, no, I'm gonna just breathe a little bit and let the day pass and then go, whew. Yeah, like I'm sure that- I'm impressed. [Speaker 1] (1:16:57 - 1:17:27) Yeah, it's like, it's funny too that you had the neighbor issues cause we've had neighbor issues too. And that eclipse just happened in the three, nine axis. So Gemini is our neighbors. You know, we just had that eclipse in Gemini Sagittarius. And I've noticed like, you know, neighbor issues coming up for other people too. And it's like, okay, this is a test. Am I gonna emotionally respond to my neighbor right now? Or like he emotionally responded or I'm gonna take a step back and just be like, walk away. [Speaker 2] (1:17:29 - 1:17:48) Yeah, a little bit more difficult when you're in a trauma response and experiencing pretty horrific things happening. But at the same time, you know, what happens after that? You know, does the wave continue? Do you allow yourself time to just sit with it and breathe and, you know, it's interesting. All this stuff is interesting. I love it. I love it. [Speaker 3] (1:17:48 - 1:17:53) I wanna know, what connections have you found between astrology and human design? [Speaker 1] (1:17:54 - 1:19:37) So I see that they basically say different names for the same thing. So it's like, it's often like how you see with other systems. It describes you the same, but it's like in a slightly different language or they put it in a slightly different way where it's like, maybe you resonate more with the way they put it. So it's like, I've seen it a lot though. Like, and I mean, like I said, like each gate that you have isn't a planet. You can pull up somebody's body graph and you'll see like what gates they have in what sign and you'll see, oh yeah, they still have a lot of Sagittarius they still have a lot of Aries. And it really just like, it just describes it in a different way. But I think that where human design deals with things is a little bit differently is I think it explains more so like the mechanics of like how you operate energetically with other people in relationships. And like, it really focuses on, I feel like human design's focus is, well, de-homogenization. So you are a unique individual, which astrology is the same. The other one is practical applications of like, how should I respond to this? Where am I more prone to conditioning in my head or in what center, where am I prone to this or that? And so I just find that I like the tools that human design gives in the everyday sense. Like, I wouldn't have known from my needle chart that I need to wait 48 hours to make a decision. Like I know I have a lot of water in my chart but it wouldn't have given me that like next step of like, okay, but what do I do? How do I address that? And that kind of was addressed in human design. [Speaker 3] (1:19:38 - 1:19:51) Yeah, so I'm interested, you may not know this answer but how did Ra develop the types? Like how did that come about where he was able to link the strategies to the types? [Speaker 1] (1:19:53 - 1:19:55) Yeah, you sound like you want to take this one you're awesomest, you want to take it? [Speaker 2] (1:19:56 - 1:20:02) Well, no, I was just going to say, I mean, obviously it evolved, but you know, he was given this knowledge. [Speaker 1] (1:20:02 - 1:20:03) He channeled it. [Speaker 2] (1:20:03 - 1:21:19) It was, he channeled it. So there's a whole story on how that happened. He was living in, he kind of left his life in Canada went to Ibiza and was living in some house on the side of the island. And he came back one night and the light was on and the door was open and he walked in the door the door shut behind him. And his voice came to him for eight days and eight nights. And he wrote down the foundations of what human design was. That was like pretty intense the way he explains the story, you know? And then I guess he started teaching some people on the island for about a year. And then I think he wigged out a little and it was like, I can't do this anymore or whatever. He's like, everyone needs to burn all the shit. I'm going on walkabout. And he left and came back but not everyone burned everything. So then they pieced everything back together. And as far as how things evolved because I know there's different schools of thought within human design. Some people teach human design just based off of the initial channel, you know and it didn't evolve as much, you know I think there were only two strategies in the initial thing. I could be wrong there but then I don't know how raw actually evolved the different keywords, you know getting more into some of these other stuff and definition and this and that. I mean, again, maybe you know more about that but it was knowledge that he channeled and then it's evolved over time. [Speaker 1] (1:21:19 - 1:21:35) And it was kind of like putting ancient systems all together and just combining them into one master system. So there's the Kabbalistic tree of life. There's quantum physics, there's the chakra system. So there's the I Ching. [Speaker 2] (1:21:35 - 1:21:36) The Chinese I Ching. [Speaker 1] (1:21:37 - 1:21:43) He kind of pieced it all together as well into something like one big picture kind of system. [Speaker 2] (1:21:44 - 1:22:14) Yeah, very, very good. And it's interesting, more people are talking about it. You know, like 10 years ago or seven years ago when I first learned about it people were like, human design, what are you talking about? Now it's like, people are like, oh, someone told me about that. If someone who would never think would know human design is like, oh, I saw my chart, you know but it's like, again, I think it takes time and people find value out of it. And then more people get into it. And then there's more people that are teaching it or giving sessions. And I mean, it's a huge thing on Instagram or all these human design pages, you know the people that are really well-versed in it. So it's, you know, I want to keep learning. [Speaker 3] (1:22:14 - 1:22:48) It's resonance, right? And that it really gives people a platform to understand why they react the way they react and how they can benefit themselves by learning how they react greatly because nothing really, nothing else really provides that like the differential between a manifesto and a generator. You know what I mean? Like it's, and so when you say these Instagram pages yeah, posting and popping on it, it's like, it's actually a really resonant thing. It's something that's really useful. So obviously it's working. [Speaker 2] (1:22:48 - 1:23:23) Yeah. And listen, like you said earlier and if it doesn't resonate with you, fuck it. Who cares? Like, it's not like this is the way the only way everyone must do human design or tarot is like, you know, like find out what resonates what works for you. I'm sure like there's something in your chart that's going to make you lean towards maybe one system versus another two, perhaps, you know, like who knows? And then the day, the proof's in the pudding. Are you feeling aligned in your life? Like, are you feel, do you feel healthy? Are you living on purpose? Like, you know, there are people out there that have been living on purpose and living there, given their gifts and feeling amazing and healthy. And they have no idea about any of this shit. [Speaker 3] (1:23:23 - 1:23:23) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:23:23 - 1:23:23) You know? [Speaker 3] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24) That's right. [Speaker 2] (1:23:24 - 1:23:47) So it's just like, yeah, they're tapping to themselves and there's that knowledge that's there. But, and for whatever reason, we live in a time period where these tools are available to us and a lot of people are interested in them and I've found a lot of value out of them. And it's like, hey, I'm going to take what works. I'm going to see what resonates and see how I could apply it to my life. And I do appreciate the practical nature of some of these systems. [Speaker 3] (1:23:47 - 1:23:53) And if you feel like you are hitting blockers and obstacles so often, then why not try the experiment, right? [Speaker 1] (1:23:53 - 1:23:54) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:23:54 - 1:23:54) Just test it out. [Speaker 1] (1:23:55 - 1:24:14) Yeah. And it's because like people are finding as shit's hitting the fan, it's like crap. Like they're kind of like looking for some sort of safety raft. And it's like, that's why I think these things are becoming more and more popular and they're just kind of in the consciousness more is because people need them more than ever. [Speaker 2] (1:24:15 - 1:24:50) Yeah. They need them more than ever. And there's this internal thing and people on a mass scale, something feels off. Something's off in my life. This is not the life I should be living. It's different than 30, 40, 50 years ago. And so I think these, like they say, when the teacher appears, when the student's ready. And so it's similar to that, like the system comes out into more into the, I say more into the masses, but it's not in the masses. Obviously in our little worlds, it's more known, but you know, these things come out when people are ready to receive them and get the wisdom that comes from it. [Speaker 3] (1:24:50 - 1:24:53) Definitely. No, the path unfolds as you walk a man. [Speaker 2] (1:24:55 - 1:24:58) Yeah. So, were you gonna say something, Kaylee? [Speaker 1] (1:24:58 - 1:25:00) I was just saying it's so true. [Speaker 2] (1:25:00 - 1:25:08) Yeah. Well, I don't know. Do you have anything else you want to ask or does this look a good place to end our talk? What do you think, Joel? [Speaker 3] (1:25:09 - 1:26:02) I feel good about this chat, man. I mean, I'm really impressed, you know what I mean? Just about Kaylee's journey, what she's been through, how she's connected these links. And again, just proof in the pudding that there's so many different angles to get to that, you know what I mean? Realization that everything is interconnected to everything else. You can come from anywhere, right? To enter this game and enter this understanding. And it's an amazing thing. And I think what you've offered is gonna be so beneficial to our listeners. And for me, I'm extremely genuinely interested in homeopathy now from this conversation. And I wanna dive deeper because, you know what I mean? I feel like there are still little things that I could benefit from by learning this knowledge and places where I wanna go deeper and because I wanna be my best self and as we all do, right? So, the more tools in the belt, why not? [Speaker 1] (1:26:03 - 1:26:03) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (1:26:04 - 1:26:58) Yeah. And being here for the truth, it starts with that inner truth. You know what I mean? Like, so the more tools we could have at our disposal to keep digging, to keep deconditioning, to keep healing is gonna be a benefit to us as individuals. And then that ends up behaving like a ripple effect to our communities, to our families, the people we come into contact with. Definitely. We're just grateful that you made some time to come on and talk about all this cool stuff, that your journey of healing, which I wanna commend you. I think it's amazing because like to find the things that you found that are pretty young age too. Yeah. You need to start this kind of, this consciousness alternative journey like in your late teens, I guess you can say, like college, like at the beginning. Like that's, you know, that's, you know, most, I think most people tend to maybe do it like later. So I think that's really amazing and it's a testament to who you are and you know, what you bring to the table, I'm sure it has to do with your 2-4 profile on some level as well, maybe, I don't know. [Speaker 3] (1:26:59 - 1:27:06) Hailey, do you wanna give us a shout out to where people can find you, how they can get in contact with you, if they're interested in readings, et cetera, et cetera, go for it. [Speaker 1] (1:27:07 - 1:27:37) So I'm at the ripened heart on Instagram. My website is the ripened heart. I have a podcast, if you wanna learn more about homeopathy and all of these things, you know, I talk about astrology and human design as well on there. It's just the ripened heart podcast on Spotify and Apple podcasts. I post on YouTube as well. And yeah, I just really wanna keep spreading this knowledge and bringing awareness just like you guys are. And so I just thank you so much for having me on. [Speaker 3] (1:27:38 - 1:27:55) No, likewise, absolute pleasure. Hailey, thank you for being here. So grateful for your journey and that's something that we deeply honor and I'm glad that we met at this junction here and now between time and space. So thank you. Thanks for being here for the truth. And yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:27:55 - 1:27:58) Thanks for everyone who's listening. Hailey, big hugs. [Speaker 3] (1:28:00 - 1:28:11) Take care guys, next time. ♪ Smoking mirrors, I'm seeing through the illusion ♪ ♪ Waking up in a time they think you're in a delusion ♪ ♪ Somebody set the alarms, cause they be too busy snoozing ♪ ♪ I'm in a DeLorean ♪