Brendan D. Murphy Truth Addict

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 0:07) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Jurassimos. [Speaker 1] (0:11 - 0:17) Hey guys, welcome to episode 90 of the Here for the Truth podcast. I'm Joel Rafiti. [Speaker 2] (0:17 - 0:28) You already said that. Why are you saying the same thing that you say when he comes on? It's no big deal. Yeah, but sometimes we do like, because you say it there, like, what's up, you know, like, you know what I mean? [Speaker 1] (0:29 - 0:38) Let's just roll with this. Guys, Jurassimos has a problem with the way I'm introducing the podcast now. So why don't you just do it? And this is 100% going in as the intro. [Speaker 2] (0:40 - 1:53) All right, cool. What's up, everybody? Jurassimos here. We got Joel Rafiti over there with the great Here for the Truth hat. Just want to say that this week, or last week, we were banned from YouTube. We had three strikes. 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All right, everybody, welcome to Episode 90 of Here for the Truth podcast. We have the incredible Brendan Murphy in the house today. He's a self-proclaimed truth addict. His adult life, he's been keenly aware of the falsehoods we are indoctrinated into from our youth and driven by a deep burning need to do something about it so that we stop growing up as watered down parodies and caricatures of ourselves and become what we're meant to be. Powerful, aware, informed, creative, intelligent, adaptable and intentional. He spent 17 years and some 15,000 plus hours studying in the fields of consciousness, psychology, different healing modalities, self-evolution, conspiracy facts, exo-politics and much more. He's the author of The Grand Illusion and has just launched his new online platform, Truthiversity. Brendan, welcome to Here for the Truth. It sounds like you're in the right place. Thanks for having me. And I just realized that you guys asked for a bio at some point. I didn't see it until like the last minute and I was like, ah, I just realized then you've got an old bio. So yeah, 19 years now. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (4:03 - 4:03) Cool. [Speaker 1] (4:04 - 7:37) Yeah. Now we just pieced some things together from your very interesting website. So glad we're able to make that happen. The way I really want to kick this one off, as usual with most of our guests, like what brought you here? What is your truth seeking journey, so to speak? What are the major rites of passage that really catalyzed within you profound transformation that was like, hey, this is what I stand for. This is the direction I'm moving in. I mean, for me, it was pretty like clear cut and obvious because, you know, I had one of those sort of watershed moments where it was like the light bulb went off. So when I was like, must have been just about 20, nearly 20 or 19 going on 20, my brother was my young brother was still in high school. And you know, he had a talk given by some young fellow that day was a young entrepreneur at school. And he came home and this guy was telling me about what this guy was supposed to be talking about and supposed to be about business. But he kept going off on this tangent about some book that he read that was really amazing. And he found it so interesting, he kept talking about it. And so my brother's like, I don't know why I just feel like maybe I should mention this to you. It's like the book was called The Holographic Universe, right? And it's quite a famous book now, probably you guys have read it and a lot of people in the movement in the sort of awake movement have. And so I put that on the back of my mind for like six months or so before I finally got around to going and reading it. And it was sort of like the perfect time in my life to do that, because at that point, I didn't have any allegiance to any kind of ideology or dogma. I didn't really have any clear ideas about what I thought was real or what was happening in the world. And that blew my mind, like it showed me that what I had been indoctrinated with and conditioned with up to that point, was basically nonsense. And the nature of reality was very different to how we are generally led to believe through, you know, whether it's like Christian religion, or whether it is the school system and the modern science, which is completely outdated. And so that just lit the spark in the fire, and I became very curious about everything. And from there, I never looked back at, you know, I never looked at doing a normal kind of a life. I never did a nine to five, I was just 100% on the, just on this journey of truth seeking, and then distilling and then sharing what I was learning along the way. So I became addicted to that path and learning and study. So, you know, being a perpetual student from that point on, you know, I had mystical experiences early on, and that solidified the conceptual sort of ideas of what was in the holographic universe. And it showed me, you know, through direct experience, what is, you know, really true about that kind of stuff and the nature of reality. So from that reference point of being, you know, knowing from experience that I am what we really are as infinite consciousness, you know, I guess living a sort of a normal life, you know, as prescribed by society was never really an option. Awesome, man. Do you mind divulging into your mystical experiences? Yeah, I mean, the first one was just, you know, not long after I read that book, and I was just lying in bed waiting to go to sleep one night. And the next thing I knew, I was I was I was infinite. And that's all I can really say. I was infinite, a field of infinite consciousness. But still with this, it was like the duality of having the pinpoint singular point of I am awareness within this infinite awareness. And, you know, as soon as I tried to mentally process what was going on, it kind of ended that experience. And, you know, I took up, I ended up taking up meditation and I meditated quite consistently multiple times a week for a couple of years. And, you know, I had more experiences like that along the way where it was, you know, a little bit more controlled and a little bit more sustained. And, you know, I had some pretty, pretty cool stuff. But it's sort of like, you know, there's only so many times you need to go go into that place to to get it, you know, to understand, to have the knowing. [Speaker 2] (7:39 - 7:50) Yeah, do you think a lot of people, they get a taste of that and then they just keep chasing and chasing and chasing it, whether it's through meditation or through psychedelic experiences, et cetera? [Speaker 1] (7:51 - 8:33) Yeah, I mean, I think there's a danger of, you know, that that chasing and that escaping and people instead of instead of bringing that knowledge and awareness into their lives in the day to day and embodying that to try to to try to clutch at it and grasp at it is, you know, potentially not very helpful. Just depends what your intention is with it. I mean, I would actually like to get back into meditating, but, you know, I need reason to do it. I need I need like an agenda to to bother, you know, doing it. Otherwise I'm not going to. So, yeah, it's it's just one of those things you got to be aware, self-aware of what it is that's actually motivating that. Are you trying to escape reality? You're trying to go into these altered states because you'd rather not deal with your shit in real life, you know? [Speaker 2] (8:35 - 9:10) Yeah, I think that's such a huge piece, you know, you see it a lot in in different spiritual, quote unquote, spiritual communities where it's just they they exchange one form of escape, whether they used to be hardcore, you know, partiers or whatever to the the flip side, you know, escaping through certain new age protocols. You know, it's it's it's interesting to see. You mentioned the holographic holographic universe. That's Michael Talbot, right? Yep. Any other any other teachers that have had an impact on you, books that have had an impact on you? I'm sure tons. [Speaker 1] (9:11 - 10:18) I guess there are there are probably like one or two that are really powerful at certain points in time, like that was the metaphysical awakening. And then what came maybe within the next 12 months was kind of like the geopolitical awakening, which was actually courtesy of a friend of mine whose mom was kind of into all that stuff. And, you know, I'd go and visit their their place. This is back in Sydney. And, you know, her mom was interested in it. She wasn't so much. And one day she her mother grabbed me by the hand and walked me up stairs to a bookshelf. And she she was like, OK, she pulls this book out and she's like, you need to read this. And I took it with me. And I did. And I got about 90 or what was it, 100 pages into the thing, 99 pages into the thing. And I realized at that point it was actually making me physically almost physically sick to to realize how the world is actually operated and how it's manipulated. And that was courtesy of a little known fellow called David Ike. So that was that that was that phase of the awakening. And then, you know, you just push on with it. But it's good to have that spiritual foundation in place beforehand. I think it helps you to be able to integrate and reconcile a lot of the less positive information. [Speaker 2] (10:19 - 11:25) Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there. Like speaking personally for me. You know, I started, let's say a little bit post 9-11, I think was was where my journey began. But I was an actor in a previous incarnation and a lot of my training was was consciousness based. Like my teacher had a lot of psychologists on the staff, et cetera. And so like having that psychological foundation and understanding myself to a certain level, then when I really started diving into a lot of this truth stuff, you know, like you said, I had a foundation, like I felt healthy. I was able to take this in and be able to hold space for as opposed to like, what the fuck is going on in the world? You know, so, yeah. Yeah. Again, again, people's gaze goes external. We have external truth and that's great and everything. But if you haven't pointed that gaze inwards into yourself and built that foundation and that inner strength and have brought some regulation to your nervous system, I could totally see how coming to these realizations around what's going on in the world or coming across, let's say, a book like David Icke's would make a person kind of a little bit maybe potentially unstable. [Speaker 1] (11:26 - 13:10) Yeah, yeah. I see that a lot in the in the, you know, if you can call it the truth movement, you know, there's a lot of personalities out there that are kind of in that sort of unstable space in there. It seems to I think it attracts a certain type of person, but also it can also be destabilizing once you're in it because you are grasping for something to hold on to and that makes sense of things and something that's reassuring, because fundamentally that's what most people like. That's why people adopt a belief system or a dogma or theology is because they want comfort. And when you go into chapel perilous, as Robert Anton Wilson called it, you know, this crazy conspiracy realm where anything seems possible, it can be really super destabilizing and very intimidating. And if you don't know who and what you are, what is quite likely along the ways you become, you can become very, depending on your mindset, like some people going down the religious sort of fundamentalism path and they become really rigidified in that and really dogmatic around that because their sense of identity is tied up to it and everything around it, everything outside of that is very threatening to it. But they find an anchor point and a point of balance and stability through that belief system. And then other people who have maybe more of an atheistic kind of take on things, they don't have such a reassuring, you know, something to hold on to. And then, you know, it can be quite it can be quite demoralizing, I think, in some ways, like even even me having the foundation that I had when I by the time I was ninety nine pages into David Icke's book, I still felt sick to my stomach because this was all this information that is deliberately kept out of the mass media in the school system. And, you know, all this kind of stuff, the political discourse and to realize that we are played in this way, even if not 100 percent of it is accurate, even if just 50 percent is accurate. It's like it's it's it's pretty horrific. [Speaker 2] (13:11 - 13:48) Yeah. Which one of his books do you remember? It was Children of the Matrix. Gotcha. Yeah, well, real quick, I want to see if you can comment on this just because you talked about people kind of escaping into, you know, religion, et cetera. I've found, especially in the last few years. And Joel, if you want to comment on this, you can that I'm noticing people that kind of have gone down the new age path for a while, have flipped and become like hardcore Christians. Can you comment on that a little bit, like your thoughts on that from like the psychological underpinnings of what causes the person to do that? [Speaker 1] (13:49 - 19:34) Yeah, that's a really awesome question, and I'm actually going to really dig into this and some of the some of the talks and presentations I'm going to do inside Truthiversity. So it's a subject that really, really interests me and has for a long time. It's always bugged me. Like, what is it that makes someone do that to themselves? Like become so because there's different there's a spectrum of like, you know, the believers, right? There's a spectrum. And then what you see in the in the kind of conspiracy world is you often meet with a very hardcore sort of Bible thumping fundamentalist mentality, whereas outside of that, you can often find much more sort of enlightened, aware Christians. So there's a spectrum. But we in our world, we tend to attract the really hardcore, narrow minded ones. And I think that what happens that I've been making that same exact observation, brother, over the last however many years it's been, because it seems to have happened at an accelerated rate in the last, say, five years. You know, we've had it's like the more unstable the world around us becomes, the more people revert back into this kind of archaic belief system as it's kind of like a life raft. They again, they're trying, they're drowning in a sea of uncertainty and they're trying to hold on to something that is reassuring and stable. And that dogma that if you approach it with that mentality, that is a very black and white way of looking at the world. And it gives you it simplifies things and it allows you to grasp things, even though it's in an incredibly, incredibly simplistic way, you can grasp onto things. And it's like, well, that falls into that category. That's the devil. And then over here, we've got people who are on the side of Jesus. And you're either this one or you're that one. And that's very easy to grasp the world through that extremely simplistic lens. And then they have the reassurance of, well, I believe in Jesus, so I'm going to be fine. I'm going to be booking a seat on the cloud. It's OK. Like whatever happens to me, I'm going to fight the devil to my last breath. And no matter what happens, I'm going to be booking that seat on the cloud. So it's OK. So it's a very reassuring concept. And we also have a history, like in the morphic field and in our neurology, we have a history of this. This we used to be super religious. Humans used to live in a super religious mentality. And this this insight came primarily from Julian Jaynes. And it's been elaborated on and researched a lot more and received a lot more support. A lot of people don't realize this. But his incredible insight was that if you go back beyond 1500 BC and all the ways to say 10,000 BC in that time frame, we were what's called super religious. So we actually neurologically, psychologically were radically different to how we are now. And we did not as humans, we did not have the psychological sophistication. We didn't have the self-awareness. We didn't have the awareness that we were aware. We didn't have the ability to step back from ourselves in like that sort of figurative virtual way and look back at ourselves and go, I'm aware that I'm aware I'm conscious of being conscious. That came later as as the as society became more complex and the social order started to be challenged and break down, the brain had to actually evolve different ways to cope with that. And it became what we call interiorized. So we we ended up developing over time from, say, roughly approximately 1500 BC into the next, say, thousand years, we developed a radically different neurology. And what we used to have in the super religious mindset, what Jane's called the bicameral mind, was this inability to kind of think and rationalize and make decisions for ourselves in the moment. So if something couldn't be done, if an action couldn't be performed or a problem couldn't be solved on autopilot, which basically means unconsciously, then what happened was if they had to be faced with making a decision, the right side of the brain would send a message into the left side of the brain, which they would experience as basically a auditory or visual hallucination. And they would hallucinate, essentially hallucinate that a god or the god was telling them what to do. And so they didn't have what we now experience as free will. So we've come from a radically different place. And those experiences gradually became sort of canon. They became canonized. They based their theology around it. You know, these people, these prophets and that kind of thing. These people who had the remnants of that older psychology and they gradually started to die out. But what the Bible tried to do was they pulled all this material together, obviously very politically motivated. A lot of texts never made the cut. And we ended up with the Holy Bible, which is this sort of harking back to the super religious age where people had that direct experience auditorily and sometimes visually of communicating with God, which was the way that their brain was interpreting the right hemisphere, communicating with the left hemisphere in a situation where they had to make a decision, which is a little bit of an overview of how that played out. So in the background of the human brain and the psyche, that is still there. That impulse is still there. We remember on an unconscious level that we used to be told what to do by an external. Right. That's how it was experienced by an external source, a deity which told us. So we didn't have to think for ourselves because we actually at that point in time couldn't do it. We weren't neurologically capable of it. So it's a harking back to a much simpler time when it was like we were kind of like children in the garden of Eden and God would tell us what to do and we would do it. And because it was experienced in a way that maybe today's schizophrenics would hear a voice, it's a very invasive, extremely invasive, intimidating dynamic. So the person is hearing the voice doesn't really have a great deal of capacity to say, no, no, no, I'm going to do it my way. It's it's so overwhelming that they are instinctively compelled to do the behavior that they are being instructed to do. So that is a very, you know, we're harking back to that. If you revert back into that fundamentalist mindset, you're actually unconsciously trying to get back to that earlier place, which is, again, a much simpler way of being because you don't have to make decisions for yourself for one thing. [Speaker 2] (19:35 - 19:44) So are you saying I'm familiar with this book, I have it, I haven't read the whole thing, it's it's the origins of consciousness in the bicameral mind. Is that his book? Breakdown of Bicameral Mind. [Speaker 3] (19:44 - 19:45) Fantastic marketing title. [Speaker 2] (19:45 - 20:10) Yeah. So would you say now, let's say us sitting here where we have like different parts of us that are speaking to us, would would you say that like back then there was like a version of that where another part of the brain would kind of send signals or thoughts, but they were also potentially auditory? Could it just be also like like another part of their brain thinking something that then they thought was coming from a god as well? [Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:50) Yeah, well, that's basically his model was that the right side of the brain in the left hemisphere, there's this there's this part on the side that's called Wernicke's area. And on the right side, his his hypothesis was that on the right side, there was a corresponding area. So kind of like a mirror image and that the the volitional impulse or the thing in your brain or psyche telling you what to do in a situation was, you know, the right hemisphere shooting that signaling across to the left. And then you experience it as this hallucinate hallucination. And you're like basically like, shit, I have to do this, like whatever the instruction is, you have to obey it because it's a god commanding you and you're just this puny little piss and you can't argue. [Speaker 2] (20:51 - 21:24) Yeah, it's like it's for some reason it's making me think of a movie I loved when I was younger. Real Genius is one of Val Kilmer's first movies where he he plays like a genius, like a young genius in the school for geniuses. And there's a part of the movie where they one of the one of the guys was kind of like you say he's the villain, but he's like the teacher's pet while he's sleeping. They go in there and then they hook up some kind of thing to his braces. And then when he wakes up, they're able to like transmit a voice to them. And the guy thinks he's talking to God. So it's pretty hilarious. It was like a definitely a movie I enjoyed when I was young. [Speaker 1] (21:25 - 23:09) But check it out. Real Genius. I've never seen it. I'll have to check that out. There was I saw a really good example of there was a show recently. What's it called? Manifest or something like that. It's a series and I'm not watching it. I watched some of the first episode. And it just happened to have this woman who was on a bus and she suddenly hears this voice telling her like to tell the bus driver to stop the bus or something. And it's like I just really thought the way they acted it out and portrayed it was actually really powerful because she hears this voice and she's like, like, it's so intimidating and overwhelming. It's like someone slapping you in the face. And you can't ignore that. You can't ignore a voice in your head the way that you can block out other phenomena. It's just it's so invasive that you really are left with no options other than to to do in terms of the bicameral people to do what they were told. And they interpreted that as doing what the gods were telling them to do. And this is how their social order and hierarchy was maintained because people were obeying the same, you know, the same sources of authority and authorization. So as society became more complex and tribes started to intermix and interconnect, you know, that that hierarchy starts to break down and situations that have never been faced before have to be dealt with. So decisions that have never been made before have to be made. And so the whole thing gradually starts to crumble. And we had to evolve into a newer interiorized state of consciousness where we actually are consciously aware that it's me deciding to do this thing. I'm not hearing a god supposedly external to me telling me to do this. There's no voices. There's no visions. It's just me going, I think I'll go for a walk. Yeah. Is this is this phenomena still possible with man's modern mind? Because I'm just trying to potentially link this to people who claim to have, you know, God experiences and spoken to God, whatnot, as a potential justification. [Speaker 2] (23:09 - 24:10) Well, real quick. Yeah. I want to jump in there, too, because I read a book years back called Under the Banner of Heaven by John Krakauer, and it explored the history of the Mormon religion. And the the kind of baseline or the the book was based on these two brothers who are part of fundamentalist sects, sects, not SEX, but SECTS, Mormon sects. And they one of them said they received a message from God to kill the other brother's 18 month old baby. And so that's what the book is based on. But they go into the whole history of of Mormonism. And, you know, in terms of religions, I mean, to have something that's pretty new relative to, like, Christianity or that we it was really fascinating study on that. So, you know, it's interesting to think about what Joel said, like there are people who hear voices now or they, you know, they say God told them to do a thing. So I'm curious, like how that plays out. And if if that is a remnant of that, that distant past. [Speaker 1] (24:10 - 28:57) Yeah, I mean, like the evidence suggests that that is a remnant. It is this vestigial kind of hangover from from that era, because, you know, we have people who do still hear voices. And sometimes it's, you know, they're just hearing gibberish. Sometimes I hear a voice in the, you know, like maybe one of their parents voices telling them what to do or telling them off. Or it takes a lot of different forms. And today we call that schizophrenia. But back in the super super religious bicameral era, as far as James was concerned, everybody had that happening. So there was no concept of mental illness because everybody was what we would now call mentally ill. It was a normal party. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, we'd like to be a fly in the wall during that time. It would have been. Oh, my God. I can't believe how interesting that would have been to to actually be able to see that in action. I mean, you know, a radically, radically different social experience. Yeah. One of the observation I've made in terms of this radical shift from, I guess, new age to Christianity within people, within the movement and outside of it also is that I think like the new age can be like the spiritual manifestation of the left and obviously fundamental religion can be the spiritual manifestation of the right. We've seen this huge shift, obviously, as the left has moved and the right's moved from the left to the right also. And people are almost just taking that on board in a spiritual sense, quote unquote, as well, particularly with the rise of Trump and whatnot. Yeah, yeah. The right. I agree with that and what you just said about the right and the left. And yeah, that's how it has been to a large extent. But yeah, the the new age movement has become more and more interesting and strange and dissociative. And some of the experiences that people have, I think, are remnants of that old bicameral psychology, that experience of, you know, but it's different now because we used to have, we used to say, oh, it's God. It's the voice of a God, this God, that God. And then it became sort of angels, angels and then demon, the demon concept came along. And this is all as the breakdown of the bicameral mind is happening. And so we have this sort of progression of of phenomena and, you know, the way that we're interpreting it. And it's not that I'm I'm sticking to a like a reductionist. I'm not a materialist. So I'm not saying that we can't communicate with, you know, say, other intelligences or other beings, you know, as a as a mystic. You know, I I operate from a field of infinite consciousness. So there's a lot of possibility in that. Right. So it's just a matter of the brain's way of interacting with itself, as well as processing information from the the field has gradually shifted. And it's gotten quite bizarre. And the storyline from angels and demons has evolved more into kind of like aliens and demons. Yes. And and that's becoming a very elaborate, complex sort of storyline in the collective unconscious at the moment. And a lot of people are getting kind of like beguiled by it and taking it at face value. But I think a lot of the time what's actually happening is people having experiences like kind of archetypical experiences as they have contact with the collective unconscious. And it's a very numinous, very powerful, overwhelming experience. It's completely real. As far as you're concerned, if you're having that experience in the moment, completely real. But it does need to be like step back from and then analyze in terms of a bigger picture and the pattern that we're that we can see, because a lot of the alien stuff can be traced back through into the Middle Ages and beyond. And if you go through the centuries, you can see that the phenomena actually, the phenomenon evolves according to the time frame that we're in and the technology that's available and the belief systems that we have and changes to reflect the beliefs of the people at the time. So that's a that's a dead giveaway that we're interacting with something that is not, you know, not little men from outer space. It's not simply as as obvious as, oh, well, there's a visiting visiting what's the word I'm looking for? Civilizations coming to Earth. It's not that simple. It's it's oftentimes contact with the collective unconscious means you're contacting us like the collective side of humanity and all these crazy stories and ideas and archetypes that are in there, which can be activated. And if you have a susceptibility, like people under massive amounts of duress often have these types of experiences as their mind kind of breaks down and becomes vulnerable to input from the collective. They can have these experiences of, you know, alien, this alien, that abduction, whatever it might be. And it's not to disparage people who are having the experiences. It's just a matter of sort of stepping back and looking at, well, what's what is the nature of this? And sometimes you can see that it's it's an archetypal kind of a thing and it follows a shamanic kind of a patterning. And that you can trace back through the centuries. Other times, you know, less obvious what's going on. [Speaker 2] (28:58 - 29:54) Yeah. Yeah, I want to I want to get into go deeper into this subject around like aliens and UFOs and all this stuff. But I want to just kind of revisit what you were saying around how in the New Age community, there's kind of elements from that distant past, the bicameral mind, whereas you see all these people all the time and in these, quote unquote, spiritual communities where they're just like, spirit told me to do this and spirit told me to do that. And spirit told me to do this. And spirit told me to date my twin flame and whatever the quick case may be. And this is like I'm trying to like like where what's the voice? How do you know it's spirit telling you to do the thing or go on the trip? Or I'm going to wait for spirit to tell me what the next thing to do. And it just seems like it relates to that time period from thousands and thousands of years ago. So I'm curious your thoughts on that. I mean, obviously, I'm mocking it a little bit, but it just I find it kind of interesting how it relates. [Speaker 1] (29:55 - 31:09) Yeah, man, it's good observations, too. Like, I really empathize with that. And, you know, it is easy to make fun of some of those people because some of them are really like very deep in that hole. If a lot of it comes out of dissociation and I think trauma, because you can see there's a certain type of personality that's very in denial of reality that they've got that tendency to try to escape reality and always be in that spiritual place. And so, yeah, you get that stuff. Our spirit told me to do this and that and, you know, twin flame this and whatever. And and then, you know, at the same time, it is true that we we can, you know, have this interaction with the collective consciousness and the quantum field and this information, because ultimately we're swimming in a sea of information and the fundamental aspect of everything is consciousness. So it becomes a bit complicated. Like you got to ask the question, well, what is at the end of the day? What is real? If we're having these encounters with other beings, technically, whether it's a thought form entity that we've created unconsciously, which I think a lot of this stuff really is, or it might be a type of being that has its own independent existence in the grand grand order of things. But if you boil it down to the base of infinite consciousness, all part of us, everything is part of us. [Speaker 3] (31:10 - 31:10) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (31:10 - 31:14) And and that's that's where it's like, well, what's what's real anyway? You get to that point very often. [Speaker 2] (31:15 - 31:45) You're like, ah, yeah, well, that's how I translate it in that sense, where it's like you're giving credit to this external thing where for me, I translate it as like my intuition. Like there's a there's some part of me that was like, go here, make a left turn, like pick up that book and date that person. Don't date that person. You know what I mean? Where is this coming from? This this place that, yes, I guess if I was some like spiritual type and, you know, wore the outfits and everything, I could just say spirit told me. Whereas I'm like, well, no, I told myself, you know, to me, it's just decorating intuition. [Speaker 1] (31:46 - 37:20) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's it, man. Like everybody here is plugged in that to that quantum field. So everybody here has access to all the same information. And, you know, that's what that in that gut feeling can be. You know, that's just being plugged into that information flow. And, yeah, you're right. Like I do see a direct parallel there between that kind of a mentality of, oh, you know, the spirit spirit told me. So it's like kind of having, you know, clear audience, you know, a voice telling you what to do or whatever it comes through as. And that's a direct parallel to, you know, some of that bicameral stuff. It doesn't mean that there's not some kind of interesting thing happening. Yeah, because there is. And I think that, you know, even even though James's model was fundamentally a materialistic model, he didn't deal with any of the paranormal stuff. But if you go into parapsychology and start dealing with the psychical research and all this, it's like, well, you know, James, James really, you know, that was a big missing piece of his puzzle. That was the real weak point was that he didn't go that far and he didn't take it that far. So when you do like an honest investigator who has access to 21st century information has to acknowledge all of that and just be like, OK, well, the Jamesian thing fits. It's a major piece of the puzzle, but it fits into a bigger picture where psychic experiences do happen where we're in this quantum model, this quantum paradigm now that James in the in 1976, when he published that book, that wasn't as well established as it is now, even though in quantum in terms of like quantum mechanics and physics, that paradigm, you know, had destroyed materialism completely by that point. But it's not embraced in the academic world and community. They still have a large amount of resistance to dealing with consciousness on its own terms. And that means dealing with parapsychology and psychic phenomena and all this stuff. So can you break down simply like what is the quantum field? Like we hear this. I think people don't ever grasp on what that actually is. What does that mean? I think it's it's the current sort of in vogue way of of talking about the infinite field of consciousness that is the ground of reality. That's as far as I'm concerned, it's like, well, they don't in physics. You know, again, they've had this huge bias because we've come out of a period of time where we've had this this Cartesian split between, you know, the church and the world of the scientists. Right. So the church was going to deal with the spirit and the scientists were going to deal with the natural world. And they were never going to they were never never supposed to, you know, tread on each other's toes and get into each other's territory. And so, you know, the scientists remained blind to the religious phenomena and the people in religion remained blind to the scientific you know, the development of scientific information and paradigms. And I think it's just essentially if you're talking about the quantum field, you're really talking about a field of consciousness that is the ground reality, which is, you know, that is that is where this hologram that we are living in, this holographic reality is projected from the ground, the whatever you want to call it, the pleroma, the consciousness field, the infinite that is essentially having a dream. It projects like a dream into itself. And we end up living in this holographic reality because we inject ourselves into it. And, you know, typically forget where we came from and who's doing the dreaming. But that's that's, you know, I'm getting off on a tangent. But I think that is the quantum field, the basis, the real basis of the quantum field, because it contains all information. And the base of it is consciousness, which they try to avoid because they'll talk about information, you know, bits, quantum bits and this and that. But information doesn't mean anything unless there's consciousness there to process it and make some kind of meaning out of it. So my next question is, who are we and where do we come from? Yeah, I sound like a broken record if I we are just we are infinite consciousness. That's the only reality. That's the only eternal reality. That's that's where we we create all these different dreams of, you know, parallel worlds, multiple of the universe is all this stuff. Being human, having a human experience. And ultimately, you know, we get to be all of it. But the only permanent thing is is the underlying field of infinite consciousness. So how does how does, I guess, individual expression or individuality bridge into that for you? Like, do we all come from the same infinite source, infinite consciousness on the on the primordial level? Are we all from the same thing? But how does how is individual expression brought forth in that? Well, I think, you know, my opinion, we all come from the same kind of primordial source and maybe, you know, that in terms of infinity, you have to sort of acknowledge the possibility of infinite numbers of infinities, which which kind of does your head in a bit. But yeah, where the individual experience comes from, I think, you know, we as infinite consciousness, if that's the base, if that's where the starting point is, then there's nothing else for this. This eternal intelligence to do, but to create dreams of duality or dreams of otherness and explore these other little adventures as what it is not, you know, it's because infinite potential has to be, in my opinion, infinite potential has to be infinitely manifest, which means every single possibility has to be an actuality as well. So we we were inevitable. And this is one way that the infinite, you know, injects itself into its little dream worlds and then has a play and it gets to be Joel and it gets to be Erasmus and it gets to be Brandon. And then, you know, after a little while, it gets bored of that and then it withdraws and, you know, dreams another dream. Interesting, man. Thanks. Thanks for following that journey with me. So you ready to talk about aliens or what? [Speaker 2] (37:20 - 37:35) Yeah, I really want to get into your view on that, on aliens and the whole like disclosure. I mean, you have people like Dr. Stephen Greer and all these people and Area 51. Like, how much of that is like true? Like, what are your thoughts on that? [Speaker 1] (37:35 - 41:12) Like, yeah, it's such a huge can of worms. And it's one of those things where, you know, like the Stephen Greer stuff and he's really into the whole like getting a group together and going out onto the mountaintop and, you know, mentally communicating with these beings and trying to get them to manifest. But a lot of the UFO phenomena over the years or contact phenomena suggests that it's not really quite what it seems. And it keeps shape shifting, you know, over the ages, it's shape shift. And it's like, well. Given that's what's going on, is it really what it looks like now in the in the 21st century? You know, it looks very different to what it looked like in the 15th century, because that was a completely different ballgame, even though you'll find in the Middle Ages like paintings of what we would call UFOs. But the inhabitants of these things have, you know, shifted and changed. And there's these storylines that have been built up around them now, which it's like, you know, like I was saying earlier, you get to a point where you don't actually know for sure what is real in terms of is this an independently existing intelligence or is this something that we have unconsciously conjured? Because all of this stuff is contained. All the gods and angels and demons are contained in the collective unconscious. And people think of it as a passive kind of like a I don't know, like a garbage dump or something where just information just gets shoved. But it's not like that. It's actually alive. And it has this kind of volitional will of its own, and it will try. It does break through and it does communicate with us in ways that we some people, you know, like synchronicity is an example in many instances of the collective unconscious communicating with us. And that's that's, you know, that's a very interesting tangent itself. But the alien thing is very difficult because if we can have contact with the collective unconscious and it is feeding like it's mirroring back to us what we believe right now in terms of, well, we've got a very technological view of things, you know, everything's technology focused and based. And so this is the kind of experience we're having. And we've been obsessed for, I don't know, decades now with things like genetics and reproduction and medicine and altering the human genome and like transhumanism and all this. And then all that stuff is reflected back in these these alien experiences. You know, there's this obsession with the breeding programs, the manipulation of human DNA and all this kind of stuff. And I have to ask myself, you know, how much of that is actually this ever evolving kind of what I call the the astral fantasia. I've started calling the astral fantasia this this kind of collection of all these amazing and incredible types of beings and phenomena and experiences, which are quite possibly, I think, most of the time manifestations of the collective unconscious thought form entities, because we create thought form beings just by thinking. Like if you have a hostile thought about somebody at the level of the astral and mental planes, you are sending information which manifests as, you know, certain types of thought forms or even certain types of entities, which will then seem to be attacking the person who you've had a hostile thought about. And if someone sees that stuff clear, violently, they might interpret that as, oh, there's these aliens that are after me. But it could actually simply be that Erasmus, you know, had the shits with you and he was pissed off. And because of that, these thought forms were generated by him unconsciously. He had no idea he was doing it. And then they've gone off to the target, you know. And a lot of people interpret this as sort of psychic attack and this hostile, intentional thing, aliens or monsters, whatever. But a lot of it, we just unconsciously generating ourselves. [Speaker 2] (41:13 - 41:19) Yeah. Jules tells me he sees aliens all the time, but it's just me sending him psychic attacks on a regular basis. [Speaker 1] (41:21 - 41:23) You got a love hate thing going, huh? [Speaker 3] (41:24 - 41:25) I love it. [Speaker 1] (41:25 - 41:28) A lot of Erasmus aliens just coming at me. [Speaker 2] (41:29 - 41:53) You know, I love having these dialogue because it's like, I don't know, man. This is what's so fascinating. You know, you hear all these stories and and you read the books and it's it's I don't I don't know, like, are we is something going to come and they're little green little green beings are going to come out of a spaceship? You know, do we have like alien technology that the government is working on and using and keeping from us? And, you know, like, I don't know. [Speaker 1] (41:53 - 44:22) I think and also it's worth adding, man, because people can sometimes take me the wrong way, like with this stuff. When I talk about the manifesting of the collective unconscious, I'm not saying it's an imaginary thing that only exists at the level of thought. It actually can be physicalized. We can actually physicalize thought forms. We can make a thought form visible in the visible spectrum of light. And if enough psychic energy is behind a thought form or an archetypal type of experience, it can physically manifest. And I think that's where probably at least some, maybe a lot, maybe even all of I wouldn't say I don't like to say all because I don't like making blanket statements, but a lot of, say, alien craft have probably manifested physically. But then again, it's like, well, OK, apparently we're reverse engineering some of this stuff, which makes me think, well, that that doesn't sound like an archetypal manifestation. But, you know, I don't know. The answer is, you know, unless we're there behind those closed doors and even those guys, a lot of those guys in the disclosure arena, I think are quite beguiled by this phenomenon. Like, you know, if a craft crashes or, you know, a body is found, the assumption is always that it has a physical origin or that it's from another galaxy or another world. But it may not be a lot of what is what's possible is that a lot of things can actually physically manifest out of what we would call thin air, aka the collective unconscious or the field of information. And it can be physicalized. That's how we got here. You know, we got physicalized through multiple dimensional layers. And eventually, you know, we have the physical world, physical bodies. And when we die, the physical stops working. We still have the etheric body. We share the etheric body. We share the astral body. We share the mental body and all these different layers of energy and information. So, yeah, in Robert Monroe's books, he had a group of people working to produce thought forms. And their goal of this one particular exercise, which I talk about this in book two, actually book one, I think, was to manifest visible red light up in the sky. And they spent a certain amount of time as a group focusing on this one thing. And eventually this one bloke in the group went, hey, look, look up, look higher. They actually had to look higher than they had aimed the target, so to speak. They aimed here, but the light manifested, you know, up here. So it actually they did succeed in generating a visible red light in the visible light spectrum as a group for nothing more than mental intention. And, you know, there's thousands of experiments that prove that we can interact psychically with the environment around us. [Speaker 2] (44:22 - 44:42) So this is yeah, this yeah, this is the Monroe Institute, right? Like I feel like people have told me about or invited me to things where they've like taking courses where they're they're bending spoons with their thoughts. Is this one similar? Yeah, yeah. OK. I don't know how spinning they do, but a lot of astral travel stuff. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (44:42 - 44:43) OK. [Speaker 2] (44:43 - 44:54) All right. I'm so fascinated by all this. You know, I don't have like direct experience, but, you know, I'm definitely open minded enough to be like, you know, there's many things that could be possible. [Speaker 1] (44:54 - 49:46) I think I think it's really interesting to me that a lot of the UFO alien phenomena, there is a pattern there where people go through a very significant time in their lives or potentially maybe a very stressful time in their lives or like a fork in the road moment. And that is very, very often when these types of encounters happen. And that to me tells me that there is most definitely very often a psychic connection between the thing that's manifesting and the person who's, you know, witnessing it, having that experience. I mean, I saw a huge orange disc above me about 100 meters in the air at night back in I think it was early 2012. I was living in Perth at the time. And, you know, I just I was out in the in the in the sort of backyard and just for no apparent reason, I just had this impulse to look directly up above me. And I didn't. There's this huge orange disc. And it was like as soon as it realized that I had my eyes fixed on it, it took off at a very, very rapid speed and it disappeared. But it didn't disappear over the horizon. It just vanished. And this stuff gets caught on radars, you know, so it has a real physical presence. I mean, if it's solid enough that a radar signal is being bounced off it, that tells me that the psychic psychological phenomenon involved can actually manifest at a physical level. And that's how powerful the energy behind this. These types of archetypal experiences can be. It is something that starts in the immaterial world, but can manifest physically. And the fact that it so often happens when someone's going through a really crucial point in their lives tells me something. I mean, it's not Nazis hanging around in their flying saucers, you know, waiting for you to have an amazing, profound moment or turning point in your life. No, it's something more profound and more subtle than that. Cool. Amazing. One very, very simple way that I can attempt to give language to the unconscious is, for example, I'm a member of Michael Tesserian's mystery school. Right. And when you read tarot, not really contacting an angel or an oracle or anything like that, you're tapping into the unconscious and you're basically giving the unconscious a language. And so when you get a card that is so absolutely spot on, it's simply because you're providing a language and a form for that unconscious to express itself and the proper environment and arena to do so. So if you think about that on a macro level, then, yes, I can kind of see how all of this is possible for sure. But yeah, fascinating. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I agree, man. That's a really good analogy, actually. Hmm. So what's your focus these days, man? I mean, obviously, we've experienced a lot since 2020. How did you feel about that? Did you see that coming? Was that far more intense than you expected it to be? And are people just going to forget about the massive bouts of tyranny and totalitarianism that were that were experienced and go back and regress to normal life or have things shifted in a permanent manner? Yeah, I think it's a little bit of everything there. I think most people are very, very happy to forget. Most people have very short memories. And, you know, the historical awareness is not really very high. Like people don't know what Stalin's communist Soviet Union looked like and what what was happening there. They don't understand how the techniques of propaganda and brainwashing continue to be, you know, passed along down through, you know, the years and the decades. And used all around the world by the governments that are supposed to service. So, yeah, I mean, I didn't man, I didn't see it. I didn't know when that kind of thing was going to happen. But when I when I paid attention to it, I realized that it was, you know, the the rollout of the, you know, the end game, so to speak. You know, they were really going hard for the whole depopulation thing. You know, the total and utter bio medical surveillance enslavement of everybody thing. And and yeah, I was kind of I was I was honestly, to be honest, I was shocked. I was appalled at how many people just just bought into it. I couldn't believe it. Like, especially in Australia, where I just I just was just in horror of how many people were so keen to just bend over and take it and not actually question anything, not look at any real information or data, but just, oh, yeah, well, you know, we better do what they tell us. The mentality of like complacency was just shocking. So, yeah, I think we got a long, long way to go to any kind of, you know, like Great Awakening or whatever. But it's sort of like the lay of the land has shifted. But has it has it shifted enough? Do we have the 10 percent? Do we have a critical mass, you know, to prevent this kind of thing from from happening again? Is this just the last ditch desperate attempt of the cabal to kind of do its thing before it all falls apart? And now it kind of looks like there's some desperation there as well. Yeah, there's definitely massive amounts of desperation there for sure. Yeah. Sorry, Erasmus. [Speaker 2] (49:46 - 51:23) No, no. I was going to say, obviously, I live in a little bubble being in this world. And, you know, my beginnings in the truth world came from like the health world. So, you know, February 2020, I was like, OK, yeah, what's coming right now? Like I just sniffed it from day one. You know, I'm fortunate to have a lot of people in my life that way. But also people who just just totally like you said, they just they just they just took it right up the ass, you know, they just they just bent over. And and I'm just saying they just looked at it. He was a giant experiment. Like they got the data they wanted. They were like, yeah, OK, this works. Well, yeah, but I also this is what I was going to say is that like I find it even though I'm in my bubble doing my own thing, I find it hard for for something like this to come up again and people to have just total faith in public health, public health, you know, like it's just you unless you're completely your mind and your psyche has been completely co-opted and you have that, you know, that percentage on the one side. Like how do you just like have someone jump on the TV again and be like, you all have to stay home right now, stay home, stay safe. And then they're like, oh, my God, with this thing that happened for two years, like we had to do the same thing again. Like I just I just feel like those numbers are kind of definitely a lot smaller than they were at the beginning of 2020. Yeah. You know, the people that would willingly take it again. So that's why I'm curious if they try to do some like, you know, COVID-23, you know, some new thing, like how many people are just going to be like, OK, yeah, cool. Have fun. I'm going to keep living my life. Even people who totally bought into it. [Speaker 1] (51:24 - 52:13) Like, yeah, I think I'm curious. I agree, man. I reckon. Sorry, Joel, if you were going to jump in there. But yeah, I think that I've seen examples of people who, you know, I never would have expected to really wake up to what's going on. I mean, even my mom woke up because of the plant and the scandemic. And, you know, we've seen people in some ways like the silver lining to the whole like you've got to get the jab. Oh, no, you need the booster. Oh, you need the second. Oh, you know, you need the third booster. Like the silver lining to that is that these people who are trying to like jump through all the hoops and tick all the boxes. Yes, sir. You know, sir, three bags full. Some of them have started to get really sick of it. Like they've just got to the point where they're like, you know what? I've got my shots. I don't care. Piss off and leave me alone. Like and I think that's a good thing. It's actually given people a level of like fatigue and disinterest in the whole whole thing. [Speaker 2] (52:14 - 52:38) Yeah, especially when for two years you see people who did what they were told to do and yet still came down with symptoms, which is a whole another rabbit hole and conversation we can get into, because I know where some of your views lie on that. But it's just like at some point they got to like, well, we did all the things and we still feel like shit and we're not we're not able to stay home for five days, 10 days. I don't feel well. Like they have to start connecting the dots. Like all these things I did didn't lead me to being healthy. [Speaker 3] (52:39 - 52:40) At least I think so. [Speaker 1] (52:40 - 52:59) And it's amazing that people don't. I mean, even even the ones, you know, you see the Twitter, the Twitter statuses that get circulated in the truth community. You know, someone takes a screenshot of like some doctor who's like, I had all the shots and then two weeks later I got covered. So make sure you have all your shots. And it's like, hang on, are you listening to yourself right now? Are you fucking completely retarded? [Speaker 2] (53:00 - 54:18) I mean, that's the whole that's the whole thing. When you talk about the level of indoctrination where someone who goes through the allopathic system, you know, in my opinion, medical school is a form of trauma based mind control. You know, you're put through like you have to do all this studies and all this time and you put all this money into it and you can't question authority. You get no sleep and you got to study for freaking 48 hours straight. Like, I mean, it seems like trauma based mind control to me. And then once you come out of it and you're 200K in debt, let's say even if you get a sniff of like something's off, you're like, well, I know, I don't know. I went through all this thing. I got the white coat on my parents. Friends tap me on the back and tell me how special I am. And of course, I need to make the money so I could pay off my debt. Or let's say you realize that, you know, 10, 15 years down the road. You got your family, you got your kids, you putting them through college. Like you start if you want to question what's really happening, like you. You're going to have to be like, well, who am I? You know, like I can't start speaking out now because I'm not able to afford my home anymore. I'm not going to be able to, you know, pay for everything. My kids still need to go to college. I mean, it takes a certain individual with psychoemotional fortitude to be like, fuck it. I'm a you know what? I'm going to be a truth addict like Brendan Murphy, because that's all I care about. And, you know, fuck everything else. [Speaker 1] (54:19 - 55:21) It does. It does. And like most people are, you know, they don't have it. They just don't seem to have it. It's really unfortunate because the people who suck it up, who don't want to go along with it, but do. I think like a majority and or maybe not a majority, but a significant number of people. And that's what keeps the system rolling along and just just bulldozing over us. You know, it's those people that that could have the opportunity to say no and take a stand, but don't. And that just makes it that much harder for the rest of us to try to, you know, pick up the slack and and take a stand ourselves, because the support that should be there really isn't there. That's why I respect people who do it, like Mike Donio, who was is an ex-senior scientist in pharma. He he he lost his job because he wouldn't take the jab. And now he's you know, he had to face that. He had to process that. I'm not going to I don't have I'm not going to have income. I'm not going to have this job. I'll never work again in the bio med industry. That's done now because I'm like on the blacklist. Right. So that that's a rare human. And I respect the shit out of those people because there's not enough of them. [Speaker 2] (55:21 - 56:18) I agree. We had Mike on the podcast, you know, a few months ago. And I'm right there with you. I mean, to to be able to face that and to go, you know, I want to live with integrity. And if I'm not going to get the salary that I was getting, then I don't care. You know, my the truth is more important. And being able to look at myself in the mirror every day because you hear the stories of people who have spoken out and then they talk about all the other people that privately message them or send them emails and go, hey, I just want you to know, like, I'm really happy that you're speaking out like, well, I wish I could, but I can't for X, Y, Z reasons or whatever the case may be. And you're just like you can. You're just choosing not to. You think about all those pediatricians who choose not to jab their children. And yet they they allow the assembly line of other people's children to come in and they just keep putting them through, putting them through the schedule, you know, because that's that's happening, too. There are those who have woken up, but they're like, shit, I'm making a million dollars a year. I'm getting those insurance checks like I can't say no to that. Who? [Speaker 1] (56:19 - 58:26) Yeah, it's a difficult situation. And like you said, man, like they go through that period of indoctrination. They get broken down and they they end up in a situation where, yeah, the debt's hanging over them, they got to pay it off. And it is still a matter of choice. But it becomes a situation where you can kind of understand why some don't say anything, because it's like, well, that's not a fun situation to be in. But I forget what I was going to say with that. But, yeah, it's it's it's definitely a problem. And the the thing is, it's like something happens along the way that makes them fail to realize. Or I think I think the brainwashing is the real issue because they have such power. If the people like just doctors and nurses took a stand together as a unified front, they could completely change the way that the system operates overnight because they are the system. But they they give their power to a handful of bureaucrats sitting at their desks, pushing paper around and creating rules and laws and whatever. And it's like, I mean, it's people power in the end. Like that's what changes things. If we take a stand as a united front, it's game over. It's game over. The power they have is enormous. Yeah. One thing that I always come back to as some form of proof that things have shifted is that prior to 2020, vaccines were the most taboo subject on planet Earth. You could not even question that to any degree whatsoever. And for a lot of us who have been speaking out for a long time, we never thought that there would come a time where, you know, it became this much easier to have that conversation about vaccines with a larger amount of people. And that definitely seems to be the case now. Like holes have been blown in, you know, the immaculate shield that vaccines war for a very, very, very long time. Yeah, completely, completely. And by their own hand as well, because the toxicity of them has killed and maimed so many people that it's like everybody knows somebody who's either been seriously injured or killed from having the shot. So the way the attitude, the way we look at vaccines will never be, even though they're fake vaccines, but still it will never be quite the same again, like it has definitely changed the terrain. So, yeah, I mean, again, silver lining to a pretty, pretty awful kind of an event. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (58:27 - 58:55) Yeah. With everything that's happened, obviously you don't have a crystal ball and where we are right now on September 28th, 2022, where do you see like the next couple of years going? Like how do you think things are going to unfold, you know, from a geopolitical standpoint, from like a medical standpoint? What are your what's your intuition or what are the aliens telling you? Oh, man. [Speaker 1] (58:56 - 1:00:44) What's spirit telling you? My I'm just tapping into my twin flame guide here. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Like it's it's that's the million dollar question, because, you know, nobody really knows. We don't get to see the meetings behind closed doors of what these psychos are planning and planning on doing. But we do have documents. I did a presentation in 2020, which is one of my podcasts where I incorporated some of the documentation that showed that these people intend to push the side up all the way through to 2025. And that's that's you know, this is just like kind of we're watching phase one, phase two, phase three of this very long range plan. You know, this is the great reset. So they're not going to stop anytime soon. Willingly, that's one thing that I'm pretty convinced of. It's just a matter of how much resistance are they going to encounter along the way? It seems to be an increasing amount of resistance. So that's that's a positive. I, you know, I'm not overly optimistic in terms of like the short term vision of the human experience, because it's like what's possible is one thing. But what most people are willing to do to, you know, help themselves or improve things is usually is a very different thing. And it's usually most people for most people. The answer is the bare minimum or sweet fuck all. So so I don't see the next like 10, 20, 50 years being super bright. You know, like we go through this great transformation and, you know, everything's hunky dory. I think we're going to be challenged. And the longer we take to really take radical responsibility and take a stand for what is true and good, then, you know, the longer this kind of stuff is going to be dragged out because they're not willingly stopping. They they have a long range plan. They plan for years and decades, and it's not finished. So, you know, I don't know, man. [Speaker 3] (1:00:44 - 1:00:45) I don't know. [Speaker 1] (1:00:45 - 1:02:46) Let's be real. Like Agenda 21 pretty much happened in 2021. We know there's a 2030 in place, right? Exactly. Yeah, that's not an arbitrary number. So, yeah, we can expect to like the next seven years, eight years and beyond. Like they're going to keep trying to push it. They will. But, you know, we're seeing some pushback, which is good. Yeah. Yeah. So what's your advice to the individual seeking to cultivate, you know, in and out of freedom in the midst of all of this? Man, that's a that's a good question. You know, to me, the the buck stops with the individual. And you have to utilize your own inner locus, your own moral guidance system and listen to really not necessarily I mean, what you think is right, because most people are basically inherently good, decent people. But we also need to to access the thing in us that is our unique sort of thread of authenticity. And it's that thing that lights you up, because if people actually lived according to their highest values, a lot of the system that we don't like would actually dissolve because it's people who feel like they're stuck in situations that they don't like and can't get out of that are keeping it really murdering along. So, you know, the way to dissolve the collective issues and the individual issues is the same to me. It's starting with the individuality, finding your individual thread of uniqueness and what lights you up. And, you know, Joseph Campbell told us, follow your bliss. And that he wasn't speaking from a hedonistic place. He was recognizing that in every individual, there's a very unique spark or fractal of something that's special in them for them. And if they hear that and listen to it, then, you know, something amazing is possible for your life. You know, you can go on the hero's journey and make it out the other side. You can you can return with the treasure and the gold and whatever. But you can't do it if you're a member of the crowd and the herd and not listening to that in a garden system. [Speaker 2] (1:02:47 - 1:03:10) Well, you're speaking our language, man. This is a big reason we do what we do, why we even created our own coaching program is I mean, it's called Rise Above the Herd. It's all about allowing a person to just tap into that that uniqueness and and live their life and and stand apart from the crowd. You know, so everything you said, man, those words music to my ears. Yeah, awesome. I think we're all on the same page here. [Speaker 1] (1:03:11 - 1:04:37) Well, that's all right. It's like, OK, yeah, yeah, we agree. OK, bye. Yeah, cool. No, it's so true, man, it's just. If people just chose to be authentic, they're able to start to look at the inauthenticity, which they've allowed to foster. And then they wouldn't be put in a position where they have to compromise the truth. You know, it wouldn't be leveraged against them in the same way. But when you have that entire illusion to lose, then, of course, it becomes much easier to continue to maintain the lie. And as our good friend Michael Desarian often says to me, like have zero tolerance for the lie. You know, if if each individual could somehow cultivate that within themselves, zero tolerance for the lie, then obviously things would be starkly different. Oh, man, I love that. I really that's a great way of putting it to like the zero tolerance thing, man. I love that because people, people, they compromise. And I got that's one of the things that really pissed me off a lot is people who know that something is bullshit, but they speak and act as if it's not as if it's real. We've seen heaps of that in the last three years, like people who know that there is no virus, but who will still say, oh, I had COVID. Oh, it wasn't that bad. You didn't have COVID because you can't catch a virus that only exists as a computer model and stop pretending, you know, zero tolerance is what moves moves us forward. I mean, we've got to stop enabling this bullshit. [Speaker 2] (1:04:38 - 1:06:38) Yeah, I can't tell you how many times even for people that I think are on similar page to us, but maybe not to the degree, especially around like viruses and all that, where it's like that phrase, I got COVID. I'm just like, no, no, you didn't. And this is why you didn't. Oh, well, you know what? You know what I mean? It's like they want to say it. It's like they've been looking for the moment to be like, oh, yeah, I got COVID just to say those words. Do I get a COVID gold star? Yeah, the programming is so deep on so many different levels, you know, like and there's so many levels to the lie, you know, whereas and I'm not sitting here, I say I have all the answers. But when you look around and when you realize there are people out there and their books out there and this knowledge has been out there in terms of challenging even the foundational tenets of virology for years and years and years. You know, how long does it take for people to be even be exposed to this? You know, you think about HIV AIDS. That was my entry point. You know, you know, mid 2000s. I had I had an acting teacher that and I've shared this before. He he told me to read Dr. Carey most is auto autobiography, Dancing Naked in the Minefield. And, you know, he was questioning just the foundational premise of like this HIV. Now, he wasn't getting to the virus element of it because they were back then they were saying in the beginning they were saying was a multifactorial. You know, the symptoms were because of multiple reasons, not because of some virus, you know. But even then, we're talking about 40 plus years since that. And it's still a small percentage of the population. We're like, what do you mean, HIV caused AIDS? And I have to wear condoms all the time. Or also, I could get HIV and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, damn, you know, you're living with that level of fear and delusion and programming because of all the movies, because of all the media, you know, that has taught you to fear. And yet there's a small percentage of people that even for you, 40 years in. So then you go, man, Covid just Covid just happened. So how many years before there's the critical mass where they're like that shit that happened in 2020? That was a fucking scam. [Speaker 1] (1:06:39 - 1:06:58) You know? Yeah, yeah. It'll be trendy to say that in like 2100 or something. Yeah. Right. Where's the fish? Yeah, that's right. I'm going to like I need to carve into my gravestone like I called Covid a scam before it was cool. [Speaker 3] (1:06:58 - 1:07:02) Yeah. Yeah. So that's hilarious. [Speaker 1] (1:07:02 - 1:07:20) Like I yeah. Oh, man. It's you know, none of this stuff. It's like zero tolerance for the lie means you have to also be constantly willing to go through a personal upheaval of, oh shit, I thought that was true. But it's not now. I'm going to have to integrate that. Like that's it, man. [Speaker 2] (1:07:20 - 1:08:07) That's part of it. That's it. And I think this is one reason when you're more of a free agent, where you're not aligned with letters after your name, even an alternative health community. You know, like you can you can have certain letters after your name and an alternative in the alternative health world. But like getting down this whole viral the virus thing. No, no, no, no. I can't. I can't do that. You know, I still wear a white coat, even though it's a different kind of white coat. But I can't I can't challenge that, you know, and so like but when you're when you don't when your identity, your livelihood, you know, things that you've been talking about online for the last 20 years, you know, aren't based on on certain things. Like, I'm just like, man, you tell me anything that makes more sense. Rationally, like I'm done. I have no investment in the thing. I just care about the truth. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:08:07 - 1:09:13) Yeah. It's like there's a good quote from I'm not I'm not a huge fan boy, but what's his name? Famous, famous author, I've got a mental thing now. But he said, sorry, Deepak Chopra, you know, make your allegiance, make your allegiance to transformation. And so if you have that mindset, you can you can flow with the data. You can flow with the information. You can have a paradigm shift and you can have metanoia and not be insecure about it and clutching it. You know, some stupid fucking childish dogma to try to keep you afloat or make you feel better about the fact that the world is full of uncertainty. And that's OK, like to navigate that. But if you if you find that really difficult, then maybe there's some inner work to do this and demons to face and work through. And yeah, I mean, if people had done their homework on viruses, I mean, even naturopaths don't get trained properly anymore. Naturopaths coming out of school now, no fucking idea that viruses are a hoax. But the old school naturopaths from 30, 40 years ago, no, because they were taught that shit. But the big pharma whole thing has hijacked even the alternative system now. And they've they've just like they're just churning out these drones who don't know any better. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:09:13 - 1:09:53) And inner work's the key, man. It really is like I say this all the time. I just keep saying is like self-knowledge is the foundation, you know, for all knowledge, you know, to some degree, like you have to know yourself in the deepest levels. And when you are grounded, when you know yourself, like you're less likely to be swayed. You know, you're less likely to be swayed by by the constant, the scam, the constant psyop that's thrown at you. You're just like, no, I know who I am. I know what I believe. I know what I represent as an individual. And that's great that everyone around me is is is being their minds are being hijacked by the television or by social media, whatever. But I'm not going down that road. And can you can you hold strong to that? [Speaker 1] (1:09:53 - 1:10:13) You know, and it's actually like who you are when you like who you are and you're comfortable in your own being. You're not grasping for stability to confirm to confirm that. You know, it's like I have a relationship with myself. I'm in touch with my own essence. I'm very comfortable with that. So I don't need everyone to agree with me. I don't even need my partner to agree with me. You know, it's like, I'm cool. Yeah, this is me. [Speaker 2] (1:10:14 - 1:11:10) But this is where even like that Ayn Rand quote comes into play, but like having a personal philosophy, like to really have a personal philosophy and to live by or else you're just subject to all these random things that are just being around that are getting absorbed into your unconscious. And then you're just like, oh, this is what I believe. Oh, I posted a black square. I'm such a good person. You know, like I have a Ukraine flag tattoo on my left cheek and I took a picture of it and then I posted it. I'm such a good person. You know, you're so cynical today, bro. I know. I know. I'm hard. I'm a little hardcore today. I don't know why, you know. All right, let's take a deep breath in. And also, I just yeah, let's I just so everyone that's listening to like, I don't fucking know everything, you know, but the things I do know, like I've been proven right. And I love to talk shit, too. You know, I'm Jersey. I'm from New Jersey. I'm a Greek. You know, sometimes I talk shit. [Speaker 3] (1:11:10 - 1:11:12) I like over your identities, bro. [Speaker 2] (1:11:12 - 1:11:38) And also, let's be real. I don't think like this is we're having fun. I don't think people that post black squares and and have tattoos of the Ukraine flag are listening to this podcast. So whatever. I mean, although actually there are probably some people who posted a black square because it was really early on in 2020 and then people have kind of like woken up to certain things. So for those of you that did, I forgive you. Anyone who had a Ukraine flag just tuned out. [Speaker 1] (1:11:38 - 1:12:37) They just did. They're like, fuck that podcast. Yeah. And the thing that like if you have that identity, you're not ready to then because because the crowd is is the backup plan. If you don't have an identity, then you find it in the crowd. You identify with the crowd. You lose yourself in the blissful kind of ignorance and the crowd mentality and all that shit. And, you know, Jung wrote about that extensively. Gustav Le Bon wrote an entire book called The Crowd. And it's people who are not aware of self, who don't know who and what they actually are, that are the the targets of this propaganda. And really, I include religion, you know, not to knock religious people, but it applies to religion. I've never met, for example, a Christian who is actually aware of who and what they fundamentally are, because they go off to to this other womb to find an identity. Whereas I'm like, if you knew who and what you are, you don't need that. You don't need that belief system, because when you have knowledge. You know, you recognize the difference between knowledge and belief and you can pick and choose beliefs and let them go, but you don't need them as identity. [Speaker 2] (1:12:38 - 1:13:00) Yeah, and I think that's why a lot of people turn to these ideologies, you know, whether it's Jesus or something else when they're rock bottom, because when you're at rock bottom, you probably have no fucking clue who you are if you're at rock bottom. And then here comes the shining light of like, yes, I can hold on to this. And then I have purpose. And I know I know who I am because I've been told who I am. And all I have to do is believe in this and everything will be great. [Speaker 1] (1:13:01 - 1:13:31) Exactly. Like I've got the parent figure in the sky who's there to comfort me and provide me with soccer. And now I'm like, OK, there's something to hold on to. I feel better. I feel reassured. There's a lot of in the tunnel. And you know, like it's not to knock people because like you said, at rock bottom, that's where a lot of people find Jesus at rock bottom. So it's like, OK, no, you don't know. You don't have the self-awareness yet. I get why you're drawn to this. Yeah, and it's not for me to like put people down and stuff. It's just recognizing some of the dynamics that feed into it. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:13:31 - 1:13:54) And at the same time, I want to say there are a lot of lovely, amazing humans that are religious and they're good people and have good families. It's not that I'm knocking that. We're just diving into the psychological underpinnings of what causes a person to like absolve themselves from like individual responsibility and just hand it to this external, you know, paternal, maternal figure. [Speaker 1] (1:13:54 - 1:15:18) Yeah, but also like each people have their own unique, authentic path. You know, that's just a stepping stone for many of these people. You know, sure, they've hit rock bottom and maybe they take one step up and they find Jesus and they take two steps up and they find Eckhart Tolle. You know, then they take three steps up and they find a Michael Tesserian or something like that. But, you know, you're not just going to jump from rock bottom to, you know, all of a sudden knowing the internal depths of who you are on an extreme level. So, yeah, I mean, this is this is the authentic path. We've all walked it. We've all we've all gone down, you know, certain different rabbit holes and crevices, which obviously we realized weren't the weren't the truth, so to speak, for us. But it's the journey goes on. That's right, you know, if you think of if you think of this as like a dream that we inhabit, then, you know, you can look at everybody else in the dream as an actor that you have essentially created or dreamed into the dream. And, you know, Joel's creating me. I'm creating Joel. Erasmus is creating me. I'm creating him. And, you know, all these other people who maybe don't see things the way that I see the world, it's fine. They just act as playing their role. You know, I need people to play the fundamentalist Christian. I need people to play this other role. And it's wrong. The doctors and whatever. Like, it's just it's just a construct of the of the divine imagination. So we don't need to take it, you know, too personally in the end. You know, just it's like Bill Hicks said, you know, it's just a ride. Would you say that last part? Like Bill Hicks said, I'll know that stand up. It's just a ride. Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:15:19 - 1:15:20) It's a fun ride. [Speaker 1] (1:15:21 - 1:15:22) Yeah, I mean, it should be. Why not? [Speaker 2] (1:15:22 - 1:15:37) Yeah. Well, this is where like not taking yourself too seriously, like that one side of the coin plays into things like, yes, we get deep. We talk about all this stuff. And at the same time, like the fuck, fuck it. Keep riding the waves. [Speaker 1] (1:15:38 - 1:15:42) Yeah. Like if we're wrong, OK, we're wrong. Cool. Just move on. [Speaker 2] (1:15:43 - 1:15:53) Yeah, that's it. That's it. And I think so many people, they are afraid to be wrong. You know, there's such deep fear because what does that mean? You know, for themselves, but. [Speaker 1] (1:15:55 - 1:17:03) For you, for you personally, do you feel like there's like since things have shifted with 2020, like there's far more possibility, far more potential available to you yourself to actually create in your external reality and provide real value and live up to more of your potential? In a way, what I see, I think it's a good question, because in a way, I see people there's a high number of people now who have snapped out of the trance. Which means that, you know, there's more people who are ready to listen to me, which means I get to go and be more of me and have fun with that. So on a personal level, absolutely. I definitely think that, you know, a lot of a lot of, you know, good has come out of the last couple of years. It's shifted things. People are having thoughts they never had before. Entertaining ideas they never had before. You know, you've got people watching this podcast who two years ago would have condemned it to the depths of hell. So, you know, I think slowly in some some regions we're moving in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got banned from YouTube last week, so they still condemned us to the depths of hell. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, that sucks. [Speaker 2] (1:17:03 - 1:17:13) You know what? Yeah, I actually was like when I got that email, like to be honest, a smile came across my face first and foremost. [Speaker 1] (1:17:14 - 1:17:17) It's why your asthma is so cynical today. It's like, yeah, this ain't going on YouTube. [Speaker 2] (1:17:19 - 1:17:22) Yeah, exactly. Fuck it. We could use all the words. It doesn't matter. [Speaker 1] (1:17:22 - 1:17:23) It works, bro. [Speaker 2] (1:17:25 - 1:17:42) Thank you for balancing my extra cynicism, Joel. Tell us about Truthiversity. Yeah. And like what what inspired you to create it? Obviously, it's like everything you've learned over the 15000 hours and everything you've done, you know, has led you to this. But we'd love to hear about it. [Speaker 1] (1:17:43 - 1:18:53) Yeah. So it's basically going to be like my, you know, premium content, multimedia container. It's my home for all my all the ideas and the stuff that I create that doesn't necessarily have a home in the, you know, the social platforms or whatever, you know. So it gives me a chance to be like, OK, these are the subjects I really want to go deep in and play with and have fun with. And whoever's interested in that stuff is going to find value in it, you know, because I think it's interesting. And people on that page are going to like it, too. And this is just going to be me just drip feeding content in there to keep it going. Like I'm very, very, you know, as you can tell, I'm very interested in the psychology, the spiritual stuff, the religious stuff, the medical side of things. So I'm going to be piling heaps of stuff along those lines for me and also from other content providers as well. So it's not just me. It's not reliant on me completely. But this is my home. It's like a membership site. And that's that's where anyone who supports me by actually being a paying member gets access to everything that I do. So if they're not members, I'll still put some stuff out into the public domain for free, like I've always done. It just won't be 100 percent out there. It's going to have a special little home. [Speaker 3] (1:18:55 - 1:18:55) Awesome. [Speaker 1] (1:18:56 - 1:19:53) Yeah. And we launch on Thursday, I think. Hang on. No, wait. Friday. Our Friday, CDT. So, yeah, we'll go live Friday. Looking forward to that. That's amazing, man. Congratulations. Yeah, thanks. We we actually ran a crowdfunder for this five, five and a half years ago in January 2017. So we have been sitting on this for ages. You know, the idea has been there for years. And we just kind of like waiting for the right time to launch it, you know, finding that space to kick it off and build it is a huge, you know, like we initially conceived of it as an alternative kind of a university. So it's a huge project. You know, it's just me and Amy working on it. But it's going to just gather momentum and just get better over time. You know, we'll get we'll just keep making the content better. You know, the videos will be better. I'm going to have audio files, transcripts, articles, masterclasses, courses, all sorts of stuff in there. So, yeah, it's going to be a good fun ride. [Speaker 2] (1:19:53 - 1:20:07) That's really cool. And I think that's what's awesome, man, about technology is that, you know, people that have gone down this road, this path, you know, are able to like give their gifts in a certain way and be able to impact people from all over the world. You know, I think it's pretty amazing. Yeah, for sure. [Speaker 1] (1:20:09 - 1:23:03) So tell us about Mexico. Like, is this everything that is what you thought it would be in going there? What's the lifestyle like for other people who might be considering making the same shift eventually if they're given that opportunity? Well, yeah, man, I don't I haven't explored a lot of Mexico. I know the area that we're in reasonably well. So we're in Jalisco near Lake Chapala. Very, very beautiful part of Mexico where people say it's like the best, arguably the best weather in the world. It's just like spring every day. Well, so, you know, for me, it's great because I don't like the heat and humidity and stuff like we came out of Byron Bay. And that was I was in, you know, summers. They're pretty intense. But yeah, Mexico is very, very varied, like geographically in terms of landscapes and whatnot. So I want to explore a bit more. I think we'll get over to the West Coast, Puerto Vallarta. And I think in February, I'll be a speaker at Acapulco as well. So we'll get to go and visit Acapulco, which we haven't been to yet. But I like the you know, I love the Mexican people on average. They're they're just so friendly and accommodating and welcoming. And they'll bend over backwards to help you. So, yeah, it's been it's been kind of like an easy transition in that sense. And yeah, it's it's it's been a good life. We're very, very glad that we made the decision that we made to get out of there. And all I can say is, you know, I can't talk much about the other the other parts of Mexico, unfortunately, because we've never we've never been here before. I was just like, oh, we're packing up and moving. We went halfway around the world. And so I don't know much of Mexico outside of this, but I've got people, you know, friends who are traveling around and sampling sampling areas and towns and cities for me. So, yeah, the list of places to check out. I mean, man, some of the I've got a mate who's been chasing waterfalls all around Mexico and some of the stuff, the footage I've seen from him is is ridiculous. So there's some absolutely beautiful places to connect with nature. I know that much. Yeah, man, it's pretty cool, man. Yeah. And what's the cost of living like compared to Australia? Where we are, it's it's let's just say there are a lot of gringos here and prices reflect that. So we're not it's not like you come here to where we are to save money. But even just like five, six K's away, you know, there's there's a more Mexican and more kind of a little bit more of an authentic Mexican town where the cost of living is a little bit lower. So really very, very much depends where you are. The more you get away from like the gringo central kind of areas, the cheaper it gets. And like some some areas are just like dirt cheap. You know, you can really save a lot of money living. We're not really because of where we are. The location is a lot of a lot of gringos, Americans and Canadians. And, you know, not many Aussies. But, you know, I think there's an increasing number coming around. But yeah, if you're looking to save money, you can just don't come here. [Speaker 2] (1:23:03 - 1:23:27) Yeah, that's that's what I've heard from especially over the last few years. A lot of the Americans and Canadians that have gone down there, you know, because of that, they're they've been jacking up the prices and rental prices and everything. Yeah. But yeah, I love the Mexican people. My wife and I got married north of Puerto Vallarta a few years ago there in Sayulita or outside of Sayulita. And yeah, we're heading back down December to revisit it for a bit. [Speaker 1] (1:23:27 - 1:23:33) So it'll be nice. Awesome, man. Yeah. Let me know when you're down. I'd love to catch up. Cool. Cool, cool, man. [Speaker 2] (1:23:33 - 1:23:58) One question I wanted to ask you. You have a podcast. See, what's what's what? Okay, okay, yes. What what's one of your favorite interviews? Like, what's an interview that you're just like, oh, man, this this person blows my mind or the conversation we had was incredible. I'd love to hear some thoughts on that. [Speaker 1] (1:24:00 - 1:24:59) Um, there are two people who come to mind, I'll say two names. So I have had a friend called by the name of Nick Sandbrook for the last, say, eight years. And he's very much interested in the, you know, that whole conversation we were having around the collective unconscious, the way it operates. He's he's very, very that interview is very worth listening to. I think it was Episode 37. Okay. So I really that's a perspective that I want to really get to more people because there are so many there's so much of this hypnosis into these different rabbit holes and these weird alien storylines that don't actually make sense and the evolving sort of playground in the astral fantasia. But Nick actually helps to make sense of it all and simplify things. So I think he's he's very clever, dude. That's worth watching. And then I would also suggest the last no second last one I published was Michael Tesarian talking about feminism and neofeminism and the psyche of of womankind. And that was that was great. People really enjoy that. So, yeah, there's two people off the top of my head. [Speaker 2] (1:24:59 - 1:25:25) Cool. Yeah, I started listening to the one with Michael. And this is incredible, man. I love his work and his research into all that. Dragon Mother, et cetera, et cetera. It's it's top notch. Yeah. Yeah, he's great. Oh, well, we're all done, everyone. Thanks for joining. Thanks for tuning in. Joel, you got anything else? I mean, you want to ask your usual question? Yeah, sure. [Speaker 1] (1:25:25 - 1:26:42) And then I'll ask you any final words that I'm not ready for that yet. I'd like to get everyone's thoughts on this particular matter. What were your thoughts on Q and the Trump phenomena? Oh, my God. We're going back to this. Oh, that won't take long. Yeah, no, I've always felt like that's a bit of a psyop. I never really got sucked into it. I feel like it was too hype. What about the evolution? So, again, have you looked into devolution? Yeah, that rings a bell. Hang on, that does ring a bell. Hang on, just explain a bit. Yeah, so I don't know too much about it. There's a couple of unslaved episodes on this as well. But basically it's almost like this is a purposeful unraveling that's taking place now. Everything's being forced to the surface and very easy and discernible for everyone to see, because this is the only way that the masses will be able to recognize, you know, the the the thinness of the veil, so to speak. It's curious, that's for sure. Cool. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah. All right. I've got no more questions. Brandon, man, thanks so much for your time. Thanks for everything that you're putting out there. And we'll definitely be checking out Truthversity ourselves. That sounds incredibly interesting. And any final words for our audience? I get a final word. Stay in school and don't do drugs. [Speaker 2] (1:26:43 - 1:26:43) Awesome. [Speaker 1] (1:26:44 - 1:26:45) And listen to what the spirit tells you. [Speaker 4] (1:26:45 - 1:26:46) Just ignore all that. [Speaker 1] (1:26:47 - 1:26:56) Stay out of mainstream schools, but stay in maybe, you know, starting school. I don't know. Whatever. Just, you know, find that unique thread and pull on it in you. That's it, man. [Speaker 2] (1:26:57 - 1:27:05) Really? That really is it. You know, like search for that unique thread and everything else I find will work itself out. It will. [Speaker 1] (1:27:05 - 1:28:20) Trust in the dreaming. Trust in the creation. Your intelligence and consciousness is behind the whole thing. So, yeah. Awesome. Guys, go check out his podcast Truthverse. Check out Truthversity if you want to get deeper. We appreciate your time. Thanks for listening and see you next time. Take care. Thanks for having me, guys. Hey, guys. Thank you so much for listening to this incredible conversation. We are the Brendan Murphy. For those that are still here, we are currently running 50% off your first month subscription to Friends of the Truth. That means you get access to all three calls, our live teaching, our live and interactive guest expert call, our live community hangout, plus access to all previous calls, guest expert calls, teachings for 50% off. 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