Dani Katz Wielding Words Wisely

[Speaker 2 Joel] (0:00 - 1:02) What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. My name is Joel Rafiti. I got my co-host Yerasimos with me as always. And today we see the return of the amazing Denny Katz. She's definitely, I guess, I would say a fan favorite among the listeners that we're connected to. People loved our first episode with her. And she's just an amazing, dynamic individual in this truth space. And I feel like someone that really gets where we're at and is super complimentary to conversations that we like to have. So I think you guys can have an absolute blast listening to this episode for sure. One thing I want to highlight, I guess, is our free school community, skool.com forward slash here for the truth. We're doing one global community call per month for our members. And we're offering exclusive content and exclusive value within there as well. And also, you get to meet other listeners. You get to connect with other people who are on the having these conversations. So if you're down, love to see you inside. Take care. [Speaker 3] (1:02 - 1:09) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Eurasmus. Joel] (1:12 - 1:38) Denny Katz first joined us back on episode 147, talking about how language creates our reality. She is equal parts thought leader, trailblazer, and word wizard, and a catalyst for evolution. Whether writing, teaching, consulting, or podcasting, Denny is a fierce, heart-centered cheerleader for humanity's freedom, empowerment, and expansion. Dani, welcome back to Here for the Truth. [Speaker 1 Dani] (1:39 - 1:42) Joel, Eurasmus, thank you for having me. [Yerasimos] (1:43 - 1:54) Yeah. It was so dope hanging out at Music in the Sky. That was a few months ago now, but the memory is still with me. It was nice being in your energy, meeting in person, hanging out, having some lattes together. That was fun. [Speaker 1] (1:55 - 2:00) Super fun. I feel like, I know Eurasmus, you've done way more of those, Joel. I don't know if you have. [Speaker 3] (2:00 - 2:01) That was my first. [Speaker 1] (2:03 - 2:13) So 2024 is my first year of hanging out with other like-minded, frontline truth tellers, and it's been so healing for my heart and soul to connect with you guys in the flesh. [Speaker 2] (2:13 - 2:21) Yeah, totally. And my question is, why was 2024 the first time you were like, I'm going to hang with people in the flesh? [Speaker 1] (2:22 - 2:39) Because I was writing books and creating courses, and I was doing stuff the whole time. So everyone else did their like, here's my big thing, and now I'm going to go on the circuit. And I was like, that's cute. I'm still doing stuff. So I didn't get out of the weeds until this year. [Speaker 2] (2:40 - 2:59) Yeah. I loved it, seeing you in person. I love hanging out at Compliments. I love Music in the Sky. And as I say a lot of times on the show, I love these events. It's just so great to be in each other's presence, to be inspired. And it's just fun. It's just fun to hang out and shoot the shit. Yeah. I'm still a little bit cut that you missed my set, but, you know, wounds will heal in time, I guess. [Speaker 1] (2:59 - 3:00) You missed my talk! [Speaker 2] (3:01 - 3:11) I was literally gone like two minutes after you were supposed to leave. And of course, I came to your talk for like 25 minutes like, shit, I got to jump out to get ready for Joel. [Speaker 1] (3:11 - 3:20) You're the rock star because you made it to both of our things. So thank you. And like next time, may they never schedule us at the same time again. We have to make sure that doesn't happen. [Speaker 2] (3:21 - 3:21) Agreed, agreed. [Speaker 1] (3:22 - 3:25) Yeah. Because next time you perform, I'm going to be your go-go dancer in a cage on stage. [Speaker 2] (3:26 - 3:45) As discussed. Correct. Yep. Denny, obviously there's a lot going on right now. So I want to kick this one off just with like Denny's take, Denny's vision for right now. What's happening? What are you feeling into? What's the state of the Truther world as you see it? [Speaker 1] (3:46 - 3:48) I kind of feel like, am I allowed to swear? [Speaker 2] (3:49 - 3:50) Yes. Fuck yes. [Speaker 1] (3:50 - 4:26) I feel like everything's a shit show and I'm pulling out of all of it. Every week, a new Truther reveals themselves to be a shill or a pawn or someone not to be trusted. So I've definitely removed any allegiance from that realm. The political theatrics have devolved to a whole new clown show low. So I actually made an executive decision last week that I'm pulling my attention out of politics. I'm not watching it. I'm not listening. I'm not podcasting about it. I'm not talking about it. Rome can burn itself. I don't care anymore. I want my consciousness back. [Speaker 2] (4:29 - 4:32) I hear you on that note. What do you think about RFK? [Speaker 1] (4:34 - 4:52) What annoys me is people in our community who I thought who got it falling for this shit, which is part of the reason why I pulled out because it's like, I'm not even moving needles in my own community. Like people who listen to my show are still falling for this. What's the point? This is thankless. I don't care anymore. [Speaker 2] (4:54 - 4:56) No, I mean, I say that. [Speaker 1] (4:56 - 5:05) And of course, I care deeply, but I'm like trying this on as a jacket just to save my nervous system and my peace of mind for a moment. [Speaker 2] (5:06 - 5:24) Yeah, I get it. And it's like, is it possible to completely remove interest? Maybe on some level, but I feel like there's other parts of us that still, to a certain degree, have interest, regardless of the theatrics. I'm curious. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (5:24 - 5:59) I feel I've never been a rubbernecker, you know, like when when there's an accident on the on the road, I don't want to look at it. I don't want to see blood. I don't want to see gore. I don't want to see people who are hurt. I'll actually look the other way. So I feel like I had been I wouldn't say I was caught up in the Trump op like I always knew it was an op. But given the past what month when they put, you know, the cackler in and I just thought, you know, talking about what happened in the assassination, the cackles, you know, her cackle laugh. [Speaker 2] (5:59 - 6:01) That's what you're talking about. Yeah. Cackle Kamala. [Speaker 1] (6:02 - 6:03) Yeah. Cackling blowjob queen. [Speaker 2] (6:04 - 6:04) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (6:04 - 6:39) So but I was still thinking, OK, well, the American experiment has a chance with Trump because at least he'll pull us out of the who. At least he'll fix the economy. At least we'll close down the border. But now that he's joined forces with Bobby, the op who's just there to bring in climate communism and put everyone on the like, you know, digital social credit system. I'm like, I don't really see how this is going to go anyway. But slavery and just like the accidents that I pass in my car, I don't want to watch it. It hurts my heart too much. [Speaker 2] (6:39 - 6:43) Is there any part of you that's open to it not being slavery? [Speaker 1] (6:44 - 7:34) I mean, of course, I hold that I'm holding that for us, which is also part of the reason I'm pulling my attention away, because if I watch it, I'm like, I don't see this doesn't look good at all. So I'm just going to go back to the realms of the imaginal and hold a higher vision of how this can go, you know, with some magic X factor. Or maybe if the people will get off their fucking knees and start using their voices. But I don't know what it's going to take, you know, to get people out of there, like needing to be liked or their mind control or whatever that is. I feel like at this point, the bifurcation is clear. So yeah, my vision for it being wonderful is as we meaning the three of us in our tribe build something newer and more awesome. And that task needs more of my attention than commenting on the ridiculousness. [Speaker 2] (7:34 - 8:26) Fair enough. Yeah, I personally tend to align a little bit more with where you're at in terms of like, you know, focusing on things that I think bring a little bit more peace and joy and harmony to my life. I don't completely stick my head in the sand. You know, I'm curious. I do have some curiosity of like, what's going on out there in the world? What are the new developments? But generally speaking, like I just I can't invest too much time and energy into this. Like, I don't know, I just people are just getting so and so, so excited again, you know, and in this way that feels manufactured. But again, I'm also open to being wrong, you know, so we'll see. Yeah, I want to I want to get your take. I don't think we've had it from you. You know, for you, is it completely like there is no chance there's any part of RFK that is not shill? No. Can you can you can you give us a little bit of the ops on that? [Speaker 1] (8:28 - 8:37) Well, first of all, he is Kennedy established. He's establishment millionaire. Like, again, we're putting our faith in some rich white politician. [Speaker 2] (8:38 - 8:39) If he was black, would it be different? [Speaker 1] (8:39 - 12:01) Not if he was in that position. But yeah, no. Well, he's a partner in Venture Point, Vantage Point Capital, which is they're the ones who are making a smart ocean. They're the ones who are pushing climate communism, you know, getting everyone on the block chain as like nodes of energy. He's personally invested in that. He continues to push climate fraud. His dad was Bohemian Grove. I mean, I haven't found it because Club of Rome doesn't put their members on the website, but I would bet the farm that he's Club of Rome because I don't understand why someone let's look, let's pretend he's a free sinker. Let's pretend that what happened with writing the real Anthony Fauci, which he didn't write, but that's fine. No one writes their books. None of those famous people do. But let's pretend that was all on the level and not a way to pull in our people to then take us off a ledge. How could someone who is that acute at research who can see the landscape so clearly be doubling down on climate fraud and in bed with Israel and not only in bed with Israel as they all are like, that's fine. OK, but then it publicly say shit as stupid as the Palestinians are the most pampered people on the planet. Like. Even if you're you're rooting for Israel and you're a Zionist, why would you say that his campaign manager is a CIA agent? Amaryllis Fox, this is total fact. His VP picked Nicole Shanahan, the head of her philanthropy, which she blew her way into her money. No one has a problem with these like slutty whore politicians. And this is supposed to be like women's empowerment. As a woman, I find it offensive that none of these women being put on pedestals got there by not being a whore. But let's put that aside. The head of her philanthropy is also the head of Open Philanthropy, Dustin Moskowitz's deal, which funded event 201. So nothing about his shit lines up, not to mention all the shaking down of anyone questioning the virus going on through Children's Health Defense, through RFK. So you have to wonder, OK, if that entity is muscling people in the medical freedom community and saying you are not allowed to question the virus or we're not giving you money, we're not giving you support and we're going to X you out of the conversations. Why? What does that serve? Well, it seems to me that it serves the newer, safer vaccines that assholes like Steve Kirsch and Robert Malone are making as we speak, you know, that will ultimately be mandated. So I think he's a liar. He doesn't have a solid position on anything. He flips week to week based on what his handlers tell him to flip on. I mean, we could go into the gross stuff about like his wife killing himself and the money and like, you know, Sheryl Hines as his handler and having these parties where no one's allowed to show up without a vax card. So if that's the case, is he really not maxed? You know? [Speaker 2] (12:02 - 12:09) Yeah, there was this story that I think his wife had some big Hollywood party and didn't allow people in without a vax card. I think whatever, a couple of years ago. [Speaker 1] (12:09 - 13:24) So if that's the case, then what's her husband's real deal status? Also, the fact that he didn't get any like when did he become really mainstream popular when he bowed to Israel, when Rabbi Shmuley all of a sudden became his foreign policy advisor and he came out publicly and said his stupid shit on Israel within two days. You had Jack Dorsey endorsing him. You had Elon Musk offering to do an interview with him like that, jettisoned him into mainstream media. We know better than if the mainstream doesn't want anyone to know about us, if they really think we're a threat, they have every means necessary to stifle our voices and censor us. But it went the opposite with him. So for me, it has all the markers of every other gross sign up that those people push. And now it seems to me that this thing with Trump was probably baked in from the get go. And if and Trump. He has his benefits, he has his flaws, he might not see what this portends. You know, he might not see where this is going. But I also think it's gross that the RFK campaign has been shit talking Trump publicly for the past month. And all of a sudden they're buddy buddy because no one has integrity in the space at all. [Speaker 2] (13:27 - 14:31) Yeah, that's the interesting thing when you see people have tweets from a month ago, two months, two months ago where they're like ripping the person they're now endorsing. It's so gross. Like what's going on? Like, what causes the person to change their view? Like, what is there anything natural about that? Or is it manufactured? Or is it just it's just politics? It's just like, okay, this is what we do. This is he like, this is the thing with the political construct. Like, you know, obviously you have the anarchists and the completely anti government community and stuff like that, much of which I align with to a certain extent. But is politics in general, a completely inorganic construct? Or is it something that propped up as a result, as a natural emanation of human psychology on some level as well? Or in the beginning of time, was it literally like, oh, this is a great vessel and means to divide and conquer people? Or did it just become that over a period of time? [Speaker 1] (14:33 - 16:37) Well, as we all know from our past year's work, government means buying control, right? Politics is put into place to like set up government. When I was, you know, from the time I was a kid until high school, I wanted to be the speechwriter for the president because I didn't understand politics. And I thought, well, then I could decide how the whole world works, but I don't have to be in the front and get all that stupid attention. I'll just have all the power. And then I was in some like, you know, gifted kids, you know, government politics program, and I got to sit in on, I don't even remember what it was, some like congressional something, house something. And I was appalled at how everything was compromised. Nothing had any integrity or real ideals. And I watched like politicians who I respected totally sell themselves out to play this compromise game. So that, you know, dispelled the myth for me early on. And then with like corporate lobbyists and the way it goes down, I mean, I don't know when that, when all the, like, if we pulled, if we weren't an oligarch, an oligarchy, if we were a real deal constitutional republic, I do think it could work. But the problem is these corporate interests and everyone's on the take. And we get like the worst of the worst of the power hungry, like sociopathic narcissists who are vying for these roles. Well, like those with eyes to see and like the most expansive consciousnesses don't want anything to do with it because it's so fetid and disgusting. So I feel like if we wanted to fix it, we'd be wise to use spiral dynamics as an organizational structure. And again, second tier consciousness, we don't want anything to do with this stuff, but if we want to safeguard humanity and our planet, I do think those who can see the farthest and those who can, you know, really show up in service to the greatest good, it would be wise to put those people in charge. Did that answer your question? I tend towards a tangential. [Speaker 2] (16:37 - 17:54) Yeah, no, it definitely answered my question for sure. It's interesting. It's not like someone's going to come and rise to popularity that has the stance that viruses don't exist and government needs to be torn down. Like obviously there's a process towards a more ideal future. And while I invest hope at all in any of this, there's just a part of me that feels like what unfolds in the eyes of say the divine or the bigger picture of like the cosmos or how this reality is unfolding might not always play out on a surface level the way that seems like it's moving in that direction. And there's just a part of me that is like, you know, whatever on some level, I feel like we're moving towards a quote unquote brighter future, you know, despite it being a shit show. And I don't know if that's just, you know, naive optimism or something like that. I don't really buy into the characters or the players, but, you know, I think, yeah, I don't know. Does that make sense? [Speaker 1] (17:54 - 19:03) It makes sense. And I'm with you. I'm completely with you. Like, I feel like we're always up leveling. We are moving towards a brighter future. I don't know about you, but I've learned a lot of my lessons by like face planting or like, you know, being in the most possible pain, like taking the pattern to its outermost extreme of misery until I get it together to realize, oh, I need to switch it up. And I find that's what America is doing. And so for me, for the past like 23 years, I've been trying to steer us on to saner territory so that America doesn't have to get so hurt to learn its lessons. But now I'm seeing it does. But it frustrates me because I've learned those lessons. I don't want to be a part of it. And I don't like where they're taking us. I get a real bug up my ass around my freedom. So I don't like that perhaps along the path towards that better. It looks like the majority is choosing a slavier route. And that annoys me because we have to share this planet. We have to share this country and they're ruining it. [Speaker 2] (19:05 - 19:26) Speaking of better, I want to get into your most recent book and some of the things that you talked about at Musical Sky around masculine and feminine dynamics. But your book's called The Language of Betterarchy. So maybe can you start with talking about what betterarchy is? [Speaker 1] (19:27 - 23:18) Yes. So the impetus for the book started around like when Me Too was erupting in a big way. And I just saw like all the fragmentation around identity politics and women specifically, like seeming to be stepping on men, kicking men to the curb to claim their place at the top. And I was like, it doesn't seem like a very good solution if we're all supposed to be like hating on men and blaming men and wishing men ill will. So I realized the issue isn't patriarchy. The issue is hierarchy because hierarchy is an organizational structure that needs there to be losers for there to be winners. It's baked into hierarchy. It's the definition. It's based on privileging. So I realized, oh, it's time for us as a culture to evolve out of that privileging because it doesn't matter like who's on top. If we're just rearranging the pieces of a broken game, no one's winning. The game is stupid. It's time to evolve into a better game. So I started researching like what are the alternatives to hierarchy? Is it going to be synergy? Is it going to be panarchy? Is it going to be heterarchy? Synergy was weaponized by the Nazis, right? There are a bunch of fascist governments who claimed to be synergies. So I realized, OK, well, that word's tainted. We're not moving into synergy. So then I thought, OK, maybe the up leveling is going to be heterarchy. So for a while, the book was called The Language of Heterarchy. Heterarchy is an organizational structure that privileges no one over one another. So it's not to say we don't have different roles. Some of us are good at some things. Some of us suck at other things. But it's to say the doctor doesn't have any more qualitative value than the janitor does. They're both equal human beings. They just perform different functions. But when I dug into it, I wasn't finding any examples of large scale implementations of heterarchy. So I didn't feel confident hanging my hat on like, OK, this is where society is going. So then I spent a few months nerding out with all these Latin dictionaries and prefixes and suffixes. And I was going to find the just right new thing and get us out of the archies altogether. And after a few months, I was like, OK, I'm not making any headway. I'm completely out of my lane. I'm just going to call it betterarchy as a placeholder and move forward. So betterarchy is a placeholder for whatever the upleveled iteration of hierarchy is going to present itself to be. And it's based on like what sustains hierarchy. It's our language, right? It's not a thing built with bricks or mortar. It's an abstraction, right? And we sustain that abstraction with our agreement and by using its language. So in my examinations, I pinpointed the 10 markers of the language of hierarchy so that we can see where we are responsible for sustaining this outdated structure by speaking its language. And then I offer really simple upgrades that allow us to move into the vibrational frequency of betterarchy. So what is betterarchy? Betterarchy is a structure based on empowerment, abundance, equality, cooperation, enough to go around, rooting for one another, helping one another. Hierarchy is rooted in this fiction that we all have to compete with one another to get our tiny portions of the scarcity of resources that they try to tell us is the nature of this realm. But it's not true. The nature of this realm is truly abundance. So betterarchy is a structure wherein we cooperate with one another so that we can all thrive. [Speaker 2] (23:19 - 23:35) Yeah. Can you talk about how the word equality has been weaponized? Because now it's almost like if you use that term, like even you just use it, oh, you're using the word quality. You must be of this sort of political leaning or whatever. And so I just want to kind of get into that a bit. [Speaker 1] (23:36 - 23:44) Yeah. It's funny because when I said it, I could feel you receiving it that way. I do get that a lot because it's been weaponized. [Speaker 2] (23:44 - 23:58) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I didn't receive it that way as in terms of your presenting as like, you know, how a communist might present it. But it was more for me. I heard the word something perked up within me, like as you said it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Oh, it's your fault. Okay. Not mine. [Speaker 1] (24:00 - 24:58) When I say equality, I mean equality of opportunity, never equality of outcome. Um, you know, we're all starting off with the same. It's why I get so bunged up about all this new like fourth wave neo-feminist nonsense, because I grew up with all the same rights and privileges as men did. So so anything that they're saying about that right now makes no sense to me. We all have equality of opportunity. And that's what I mean. And also, you know, the way that that it's been perverted right now, right, where they're claiming like patriarchy is the root of all evil and the reason for everything terrible that's ever happened since the beginning of time. So like these classes that were formerly marginalized or even currently marginalized, instead of vying for equality, now they're privileging them, you know, and it's like, well, that's not helping. That's just exacerbating all the same problems that it's time for us to evolve out of. [Speaker 2] (24:58 - 25:01) They think just a complete flip and inversion is going to solve everything. [Speaker 1] (25:02 - 25:03) Exactly. Exactly. [Speaker 2] (25:05 - 25:13) Yeah. Um, because I think they're using equity now as a buzzword, are they? [Speaker 1] (25:14 - 25:15) I believe so. Yes. [Speaker 2] (25:16 - 25:16) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (25:16 - 25:42) I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with it. I mean, look what's happening in the the airline industry, right? With all these DEI hires who aren't qualified to be air traffic controllers. And I mean, people are getting seriously hurt. It's like, I don't want someone operating on my heart who got into med school on affirmative action. I want the most qualified surgeon. [Speaker 2] (25:43 - 26:01) Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it seems to be the way that all of nature operates is that, you know, the highest value or like the best person for the best position ends up holding that position, so to speak. [Speaker 1] (26:01 - 26:26) Of course. But a big part of like, you know, the kind of overarching globalist PSYOP is to separate us from nature, right? Humans aren't part of nature. We're a blight on nature. We're the reason why everything's gone awry, which is why they want to cull the population. So, you know, that's part of the the game that, you know, the quote unquote, they the bad guys are playing. [Speaker 2] (26:29 - 26:46) Yeah. OK, at your talk at Music in the Sky, you start getting into like just the general dynamics of masculine and feminine polarities. So can you like elaborate on that and share what you shared when I was listening for the first 20 minutes before I went off to see Joel perform? [Speaker 1] (26:47 - 27:00) But what I will say is you're those 20 minutes are like you show up. You're a really good audience member. You're like your encouragement radiates off of you. So thank you. It was a great 20 minutes. [Speaker 2] (27:00 - 27:15) Yeah. Well, and part of that is also how you present yourself, because trust me, there are other 20 minutes sometimes when I'm in an audience and it's maybe not radiating as much. So thank you for this, like, you know, interrelational dynamic that allows me to present myself in that way. [Speaker 1] (27:15 - 32:00) Thank you. Yeah. So, you know, I've been watching this my whole life around, like the whole masculine feminine thing. And people are under the impression that patriarchy means that dudes are bad and that the fix, you know, we talk about the return of the divine feminine. We talk about the imbalance between the masculine and feminine. And the dominant narrative is the fix is to put chicks on top and call it a day. And from my perspective, the imbalance between the masculine and the feminine has nothing to do with who's in charge, their genitals. It's a lens of perception. What it references is how we've all been indoctrinated to give so much more of our allegiance to masculine ways of being ways of making meaning. Right. So just look at how much credence we give to logic, reason, data, statistics, how we demonize emotion, intuition. Right. So what I'm noticing is like patriarchy has fucked all of us over men and women equally because we've all been indoctrinated to perceive the world and to meet the world with this masculine imbalance. It's why there are so many, you know, Gen X women who are so hyper masculinized. Right. So you look at the women, you know, the women that they put supposedly in these positions of power, but they're not leading from the feminine. They're not leading with the feminine. They're leading with the exact same masculine imbalance. Think of Hillary Clinton. We came, we saw they died like, yay, feminine. Like, it's so gross. Like you have a vagina, but it's the same masculine imbalance. So from my perspective, it's more the larger energetics on the macro level that are programming us as a culture that are inviting that rebalancing. So I go to the hermetic principle of polarity, the hermetic principle of gender. You know, the nature of this third dimensional dualistic reality is equal and opposite forces. There's no getting around that. You know, you've got the mind people saying gender isn't real, like that's fucking adorable in like whatever clown fantasy world you're living in. But like this reality functions on masculine, feminine polarities. So a big part of my work is understanding those polarities, understanding the qualities of the masculine and the qualities of the feminine, and then taking responsibility in a like our own interpersonal rebalancing, you know, so for me to attune myself to how my masculine animates my spirit, how my feminine animates my spirit and coming into right relationship with those, right? Because I can't be in the feminine at all times. If I'm in an emergency situation and someone needs to take charge, I'm not just going to sit there passively hoping someone does it. I'm going to jump into my masculine and take care of shit, right? Like that's a healthy relationship with our masculine feminine. And then starting to understand in terms of like the larger cultural programming, how our language, because for me, it always comes back to language, how we're speaking such a masculine imbalanced language, right? Think of it, you know, like if your right arm was in a cast for a couple years, it would be super atrophied and your left arm would be super strong. So when you go to the gym, you wouldn't double down on working out your left arm, it's already strong enough. You would give more attention to bringing the right arm back up to speed. So it's the same realizing like, well, this masculine imbalance is coming from our language, which programs everything. So starting to attune ourselves to when we're speaking the masculine imbalance and how to adjust our languaging such that we're speaking again, a balance. Sometimes it might be appropriate to lean into the feminine. Sometimes it might be appropriate to lean into the masculine, but we need to learn the difference and seeing how like our entire culture is shaped by an imbalanced masculine language. Like if I say, Joel, how was your set at Music in Sky? And you're like, I slayed, I killed, you know, so you're speaking toxic, you know, I don't believe in toxic masculinity, but you're speaking the masculine shadow of violence into our collective field, right? Using an inverted kind of weaponized languaging by taking violent language that has now been flipped through culture, through the Tavistock Lizards to indicate something positive. But those frequencies of violence are still embedded in those words, even though we know what we're talking about. [Speaker 2] (32:01 - 32:27) That's just my question. Like, the word itself or like the energy that I'm feeling into that word. Like if I say, oh, I killed it. And like within me, I'm feeling like I'm really pleased with how it went and everyone was really pumped up about it. Like what translates more like the feeling or like the literal sound of the word itself? [Speaker 1] (32:28 - 33:35) It's all of it. So, you know, for me, I'm focusing on the vibrational frequencies encoded in the word. So, whereas for you, it might be totally clean to say every word, every single one of us speaks and thinks is programming the collective field. And that collective field, the morphogenetic field is what determines how reality configures. It's a give and take, right? What we program into that morphogenetic field is what is going to determine how our reality shapes itself. Not to mention the fact that you're modeling for everyone around you. So say you feel clean with it, but there are three little kids who just heard you say this. You don't even know that they're there and they're like, oh, he killed it, killed it. That means a good thing. So now we're normalizing. We're continuing to normalize. You all know about ideological subversion. Normalization is the fourth and final stage. So the more we normalize and internalize that violence is good, it might be clean for you, but you're not living in a vacuum. You're modeling. We're all modeling 24-7. [Speaker 2] (33:35 - 33:39) So like, what would I say instead of like, oh, I crushed it. I expanded it. [Speaker 1] (33:40 - 33:42) I rocked it. I did great. [Speaker 2] (33:42 - 33:43) I rocked it. It was amazing. [Speaker 1] (33:43 - 33:53) It felt hot and sexy and had so much fun and the crowd was giving me so much energy and it was a blast. Bomb, maybe? I don't know. [Speaker 2] (33:53 - 33:58) Y'all and I are going to spend the rest of our relationship just correcting each other's language when we're hanging out. [Speaker 1] (33:58 - 33:59) I don't see that happening. [Speaker 2] (34:03 - 34:14) So Denny, for example, when you're met with something that is of little interest or is complete bullshit to you, you won't say like, fuck that shit anymore? [Speaker 1] (34:15 - 34:23) Oh, no, I say that all the time. I, there's plenty of hypocrisy that runs through me. I'm still a human being, you know? [Speaker 2] (34:23 - 34:53) But don't you like want to say it? Doesn't it feel like the most ideal thing to say? Some words, some words, like especially the meaning behind it, like, especially if it's truthful, like you're saying I killed it, but you're not really saying like, like I killed it as opposed to like this person, like maybe I'm not making sense here, but like this person tried to like hurt my wife and I had to like kill him, you know, it's an actual reality of it. Whereas if you're calling someone a dumb fucking whore who blowjobs her way to the top, you know, that's, you know, maybe more accurate. [Speaker 1] (34:53 - 35:05) I always say like, don't be like me. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a role model. I'm still learning, right? And with you guys, I feel this great permission to just like talk shit because I feel like I haven't been able to do that in years. [Speaker 2] (35:06 - 35:41) And, and this is where, like, I'm into psychology. So I'm into the, like, the, the, the framework of this cycle of psychology in the psyche. There is a duality to it. There is a compensatory nature to it as is our world, this realm. And like, I don't know. I like tapping into that part of me. That's going to be like, yo, you fucking killed it, bro. Like, but there are other times where I might not say that word, you know, I might be like, this was incredible and amazing and awesome, you know? So it's like, but where is like, I don't want to say like the balance, but like, I like tapping into different parts of me with different people. It's a little bit communistic to contrive individual language for the greater good. [Speaker 1] (35:43 - 37:01) So I don't, I don't play language police. You know, it's not. Maybe there are moments when I do, but like, I talk shit as much as anyone. I, I, I edit my, my podcast with Emily and I'm like, oh my God, I'm like the worst representative of my work. But it's like, we're all messy humans who are figuring out in real time, like we're super multidimensional. But you guys know Dr. Imoto's work. We've seen what happens when you put the word kill on a water molecule or a glass of water. Like we know that, you know, we know Veda Austin's work, like we've seen this and we are primarily water. I think a lot of it, especially, you know, it's like we're evolving and I feel like we're at the forefront of evolving humanity into its next iteration, but it doesn't mean that we've like fully relinquished those other pieces. So I see us as kind of like the bridge generation. My guess is Joel, your kids, you're asking most of you and Sophie have kids like they'll tighten it up. They'll take it to the next level. But I feel like we're kind of in the in-between. And especially now with what's going on, like all the limits that they've attempted to oppose on speech. Sometimes my soul just needs to say like the most un-PC low vibe stuff. [Speaker 2] (37:01 - 37:12) That's that's where I go. This is the thing like that's where I go. I need a little bit of that Tupac energy. I know my kids are going to need a little bit of that Tupac energy as well, you know, so it's like, what's the line? [Speaker 1] (37:12 - 37:32) I think the key is to not hold it too tightly, right? Like to not be attached or identified so that we can play and we can like, you know, play this role or put on this jacket for a few minutes, but we're not going to get stuck. You know, it's like, cool. So we're Tupac for an hour a day. Exactly. We're not like living a thug life. [Speaker 2] (37:33 - 39:04) Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like before you said that, I was going to say, so I should be playing my my teenager's gangster rap all the time from the 90s, you know, but but again, like that that's had an impact. You know, you talk about language and media like it's impacted me and how I behave at times and and communicate at times. And I've had to check myself. I mean, as I as I started, let's say, waking up more or just having even greater awareness of certain things, I remember like putting on like I think it was like Dr. Dre 2001 or something. And I'm listening to some of the lyrics. I'm like, oh, like, like, fuck, like I used to sing along to this shit. And it's like, I don't want to say these words in these language and like objectify women. No, like, sure. I have that part of me if I'm hanging out with the boys, I might talk some shit occasionally like every year doing karaoke at your birthday. Yeah, karaoke, karaoke. But like but again, like you said before, is this like the rigid way I am in every single environment or am I silly? And I and I talk some shit once in a while, but like I'm not that way all the time with everyone I speak, everyone I'm with. I have discernment. I have the capacity to tap into different aspects of me, you know, because I feel like that makes life full, too, because there can be a rigidity in like I am just the person that uses perfect language all the time. I mean, it just it just brings to rise, you know, the cringy contrivance of new age speak like you guys once in a while, like if we hear like grand rising, you know, because there's a fear of saying morning. It's like, come on, man. [Speaker 1] (39:05 - 40:11) I'm the same. I lean more like you guys, you know, and I can see that perspective. That's not my particular languaging paradigm for myself. But you're right. I suppose if you were like chronically depressed, if your life wasn't working, then I would invite you to look at the song lyrics you're singing, what you're programming yourself with. Right. But you have enough awareness and tools that that stuff isn't running you. I went to a Beck concert. This was before he left Scientology. And he had the whole crowd singing, I'm a loser, baby. And he had them repeating the chorus over and over. You know, those moments in the concert where like everyone's singing so and everyone was singing, I'm a loser, baby. So why won't you kill me? And I was very clear, like, this is a black magic ritual. I don't want any part of it, even though I love that song. So I just changed the lyrics because I wanted to participate as well. I'm a winner, baby. So why don't you love me? It was totally cheesy and lame, but it was like, I'm not going to be putting that into my consciousness. [Speaker 2] (40:12 - 41:04) Yeah, there's part of this. Yeah. And you're unhooking from the crowd consciousness that hijacks individual consciousness. And you're making an intentional gesture, a behavioral act to go, I am not doing this. That's one reason why I don't really like large groups and concerts and stuff. Like, it hasn't been my thing. I've been to maybe a few concerts because I just like this, like, zombie drone bot, like, let's all be there and drunk and high and fucking singing lyrics at the same time. Now, maybe I don't have access to that or I'm a little elitist or judgmental, but it's just not my thing. It's interesting to observe some of the cult-like songs which gain cult-like status. I think about Creep by Radiohead. I'm a creep. I'm a weirdo. Like, I don't belong here. You know, this screaming these lyrics with this energy. It's like so much conviction in what's being said. And that's definitely icky. [Speaker 1] (41:05 - 41:46) It's super icky. And it's also understanding that Tavistock is at its grubby hands in popular music, rap, whatnot from the get go. So once you start to see, like, oh, this is one of their primary means of mind controlling a culture and we can see how it degrades and demoralizes the whole culture, I think it shifts us. Now, again, like, we all have different inflection points and weak spots. Like, I have a good friend who his language is peppered with scarcity speak, and he has a ton of money. So I'm like, this isn't an issue for him. So it's not like I would be giving him languaging corrections anyway. [Speaker 2] (41:46 - 41:57) But there are super financially wealthy people who I would consider very much deeply living in scarcity consciousness in terms in the way their energy operates on a day to day basis. [Speaker 1] (41:57 - 42:59) Totally. I think it just comes down to, like, how well we're operating in a highly programmed, manufactured reality and seeing what works for us and what doesn't work for us. So if I'm singing songs that I'm a loser, I'm a creep, and I feel like I don't have any friends and I don't fit in, then it might be wise for me to look at the lyrics that I'm looping and switch it up if it's not creating an issue for me. I mean, I think it's I listen to pop music all the time. Like when I teach my pop propaganda homeschool class for teens, I tell them, like, bring me the lyrics of the songs that you're listening to. We break them down and they start to understand the larger, like, social engineering mechanisms. And even just knowing that gives us a certain distance and protection from what's coming in. But again, it's just looking at, like, what's not working in my life and where does that line up with the messages that I'm taking in and adjusting from there as inspired. [Speaker 2] (42:59 - 43:18) Yeah, like I still will watch movies occasionally, but I have a little bit more awareness of, like, what's going on. Sure, there's things that are going to sneak through my conscious awareness and impact me subconsciously, but I have more awareness around that. That's the thing with music and advertising and media is that, like, it's playing on us in a way that we're just not aware of. [Speaker 1] (43:19 - 44:09) Exactly. And as soon as we become aware, like, that gives us so much freedom, like, you know, like, cool, then we can watch the things because now we're seeing it. So it's not going to just, like, come in unfettered. The frequencies are a different thing. You know, they have so many, so many pieces. But I mean, even in the book, The Language of Betterarchy, I'm breaking my own rules and calling attention to me breaking the rules while I'm doing it because I'm not into, like, dogma or rigidity. It's like, here are some tools. Use them as inspired in ways that work for you as an individual and you as part of the collective. You know, this book is more about evolving the collective, whereas my first quantum languaging book was, like, using these tools for our own personal development. But it's all, like, what works for, you know, everyone's different. [Speaker 2] (44:10 - 45:57) Yeah. And you hit the nail on the head before where it's, like, you got to take a look at your life. Yeah. And, like, what kind of life do you want? And if you don't have that life that you want, then, like, you know, what might be contributing to that? And what's the media you're watching? What's the music you're watching? You know, what kind of relationships you're getting into? How are you communicating within your relationships with friends or primary lovers, etc, etc? Yeah, I agree with you. And I feel like there's also a trap there. Like, if your life's really shitty, then you're hearing this conversation. There might be a tendency to, like, point all the fingers at, oh, it's Hollywood's fault or it's the music industry's fault that's programming in this way. And there can be a lack of self-responsibility in that when a lot of the time it's deeper psychological stuff. It is. But, like, you're taking self-responsibility by going, how am I spending my time, my energy, my resources? Like, let me take a look at that. Like, maybe I don't need to be listening to this music 24-7. You know, maybe I can go out and, like, listen to birds chirping while I read The Language of Bitterarchy. Yeah. No, for sure. For sure. For sure. You know what I mean? And different things are going to hook into different people in different ways based on we could talk about astrology. We could talk about your trauma. We could talk about human design and jinkies. Like, everyone relates to things in some ways similarly and differently. And so while a certain song might cause you to be like, oh, I'm fucking miserable. And, you know, I do hate myself. This sucks. It might not impact me in the same way based on whatever wounding or psychological programming. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people who this affects the most, just observing people that I know, they also really, really hook into celebrity culture. They project onto celebrities a lot, you know, whether it's uplifting or demonizing or whatnot. [Speaker 1] (45:58 - 47:46) But I see that. I see that as well. I also think, and maybe this is just me, like, I listen to music all the time. Music, like, my car doesn't go until the music is on, you know? And that's always there, you know? So it's also looking at how it's shaping the whole collective in ways where it's like, OK, I might not personally be, you know, like triggered or, you know, kind of like held down by what I'm listening to. But how is it contributing to my worldview as a whole and how I perceive reality as a whole? Like, for one of my pop propaganda classes, I did a deep dive into consumerism and the programming in the 80s. And it was crazy how many 80s movies took place at the mall and how many like songs and, you know, the greed is good, like all of that. And just noticing how Gen X is like super consumptive, you know, like it might not be a celebrity culture thing, but how growing up on that, how shopping was just kind of like programmed into our way of being in these more subtle ways. You know, I see a lot coming through rap music is this super self-referential, like all the artists mention themselves and I love Missy Elliott, but it's like every song, Missy, Missy, Missy. And it's like, well, there's songs you don't have the singers referencing themselves so often. So what is that doing? It's creating a self-esteem deficiency program that we're always needing to draw that attention back to ourselves, reminding people that we're better or whatnot. Those things might not influence an individual, but it's going to shape a whole generation. [Speaker 2] (47:46 - 48:00) Yeah, I mean, I mean, hip hop was born out of competitiveness and battle rap culture, you know, so a lot of that is just like embedded into it as well. And it's like, you know, I'm not saying it's perfectly ideal, but I'm saying that's where that kind of came from. [Speaker 1] (48:01 - 48:07) Do you think that was organic or do you think that was like a kind of Tavistock program from the get go? [Speaker 2] (48:08 - 48:38) I don't think it's black and white by any means whatsoever. I think cultures, you know, as hip hop music grew and became a thing, it became a way for people to express different parts of themselves and to engage in a kind of like egoic battle kind of dance that, you know, also was inspirational on a certain level. It gave people an outlet. I don't think it's black and white that that's all, you know, Tavistock is solely behind the self-referential nature of rap lyrics. [Speaker 1] (48:38 - 48:43) But look at the artists who rose to the top and got the record contracts. [Speaker 2] (48:43 - 48:47) Of course, that's different than the roots. That's different than the roots though. [Speaker 1] (48:47 - 48:49) That's what we know. [Speaker 2] (48:49 - 49:42) Yeah, we know like gangster rap, it's all about like drugs, killing, hoes, bitches, you know, shit like that. And so it's like, you know, why was that, you know, pushed up or brought out into the mainstream when it's like there are other artists that were more philosophical and sharing like deep wisdom, you know. That wasn't made famous in a certain way, maybe in certain underground worlds, but like, you know, we're listening to Dre and Tupac and Biggie and all these other people, you know, which don't get me wrong, I enjoy their music. I mean, I'll do it at karaoke and it's fun and it's nostalgic too. This is a piece too where it's like, this is part of my upbringing. So like, and I can have nostalgia and at the same time have awareness of like, oh, interesting. These words that I'm saying, how are they? How are they impacting me? How could they impact others as well? [Speaker 1] (49:43 - 50:02) And also like we're all adults who've done a lot of work, but these days I'm more attuned to like to the kids and the teens and it's like they're just sponging it up, you know, so the stuff that they're being dumped into their consciousness is shaping who's going to inherit the planet from us. [Speaker 2] (50:04 - 50:32) I agree. The gender, we've talked about this before in this podcast, the gender roles in movies, you know, it's like the loser dude in every movie or like the dad, yeah, the loser dad, the, you know, the people drinking alcohol all the time, the moms in movies that are just want to be teenagers forever, you know, like it's movies have a huge impact. Jason Kristof's work on coffee in movies is pretty profound as well. [Speaker 1] (50:33 - 50:35) I didn't even think about that. [Speaker 2] (50:35 - 50:37) Of course. Yeah. Coffee's huge. [Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:38) The coffee alcohol program. [Speaker 2] (50:39 - 50:39) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (50:40 - 50:40) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (50:41 - 51:31) So, yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, there's definitely, you know, the parents' awareness and consciousness is probably the number one impactor that leaves that impression on the child. And also, that parent's consciousness is kind of like on a level dictating what's being consumed, like especially if like your kid is like constantly watching YouTube and kids shows and YouTube and stuff, like just fucking buy ad-free, you know, I think one of those powerful things you can do is like get the value to remove the programming, you know, like for me, it's worth it to have ad-free YouTube for when my kids are watching certain kids shows, which I'm aware of, which they're watching. And even for me on social media on X, like I'm happy to pay to remove ads and not have to deal with all that shit, you know? That's smart. I used to mute commercials back in the day. [Speaker 3] (51:31 - 51:31) Yeah, me too. [Speaker 2] (51:31 - 51:42) I'd be watching something and it's like, you know, whether it's a sports show or even a TV show back in the days, I was like, no, no, I don't need this extra just thing influencing me. [Speaker 1] (51:43 - 52:09) Yeah. Agreed. I did just I don't know, this is it's a tiny bit off topic, but like I grew up on rap and hip hop as well. Like, I love that stuff. And I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Rick Rubin. And then I started like some things have happened recently where I'm like, I don't know, I'm not feeling that great about Rick Rubin. And then I saw the Beastie Boys documentary. Have you guys seen it? [Speaker 2] (52:09 - 52:13) I haven't. Oh, my God, it's so good. It's so good. [Speaker 1] (52:15 - 52:26) Yeah, Joel, especially. I really recommend it. And they were talking about how Rick Rubin like totally screwed them over, which probably is common knowledge. I didn't know. But then I was reading his book, Creativity. [Speaker 2] (52:26 - 52:28) The Creative Act. I've read it as well. [Speaker 1] (52:29 - 53:00) And I was loving every second until I got to the Beginner's Mind chapter where he's pushing machine learning. And I'm like, like, my Spidey sense just went up. And then it just had me looking back on how much influence Rick Rubin has had on music for such a long time and seeing like. And again, like, I tend to be very suspicious. I might lean towards the jaded, but just looking at like, oh, OK, now it's lining up if he's not necessarily a good guy. [Speaker 2] (53:01 - 53:28) I don't think I don't think anything is. I don't think it's black. I just it's not black and white for me. It's like people might be lost in certain parts and in certain dynamics, and they might have lots of value in other areas. You know, to me, reading Creative Act. Oh, that was a book I was reading alongside producing my recent album, which is going to come out, which you haven't heard because you weren't at my set. And there was great. [Speaker 1] (53:28 - 53:36) Anyone at the festival. I'm the only one with the legit excuse for not being there. The only one. [Speaker 2] (53:36 - 53:59) No, you don't, because they didn't start an hour until after you finished and you still weren't there. She was staying there, but there was a little bit of delay and stuff. Yeah, I'm playing. I'm playing dirty. But like. It's not like you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater completely like, oh, this guy said one thing that aligns with this certain agenda. Now there's no value to be gleaned from this particular, you know. [Speaker 1] (53:59 - 54:02) Oh, I'm not saying that. And I actually sorry. You're asking us. Go ahead. [Speaker 2] (54:02 - 54:11) No, no. First, I was going to say, bro, I can't believe you just said throw the baby out with the bathwater. You just visualize what that is. There's got to be another phrase you can say instead of that. OK, your turn. [Speaker 1] (54:12 - 55:05) I'm at this. I just recorded a podcast about this this weekend. Yeah, I don't throw everything away. I dude, 99 problems. I listen every time I'm lifting weights at the gym. That's what I'm singing along to. Like, I'm not throwing anything away and I'm not confusing the message with the messenger. I'm just inviting us to start to understand how the larger social engineering construct is rolling. And no, don't throw away the messages. Don't throw away your favorite rappers. Don't throw. I mean, I don't even care if whoever made my favorite song is a child rapist. If I like the song, I'm going to stick with the song. The example that I use in the podcast I just recorded was like the guy who invented the wheel. Did he ever cross the line with women? Did he make any off color jokes? And if he did, are we going to stop using wheels? Yeah, stupid. [Speaker 2] (55:06 - 55:10) You know, cancel culture is on steroids is just wild. Totally. [Speaker 1] (55:10 - 55:22) It's just bringing awareness. I think Rick Rubin has offered a ton of value. And I even love that book. I was just struck by that chapter being like, well, what did what? [Speaker 2] (55:22 - 55:27) Because I remember the chapter as well, but it's not sticking with me. What is the correlation he made with with machine learning? [Speaker 1] (55:27 - 56:18) It was about the chess AI that beat the person and how the chess AI beat the person because it was coming at chess with fresh, fresh perspective. And but the way that he. So Emily and I, our last podcast was about the Futurist Manifesto. And most people seem to be using the word futurist, not having any idea what they're actually talking about and how dark and gross the Futurist Manifesto and the Futurist Movement actually is. And that struck me as feeding that movement, which kind of ties into the ways that I'm seeing him play his role in what's going on now. But no, throw no babies out with the bathwater. No babies. Just be aware that there's bacteria in the bathwater and don't swallow it. [Speaker 2] (56:18 - 57:04) Totally. And this is like, obviously, where individual discernments and you knowing yourself, knowing knowing what you value and having a deeper philosophy is so important for you to be able to cut through the weeds as you absorb new information. And this is the problem, which we commonly speak to in this podcast, that simply most people lack awareness of their own nature and who they are on a deeper level. And so the programs become much more ingrained as they consume them, like they shift identities as they come into new information, new, quote unquote, gurus or educators, whatever it might be like they morph into that, which I'm guilty of at times as well also. But it's just like there needs to be individual discernment along the entire journey, obviously. [Speaker 1] (57:06 - 58:10) Well, I think that I agree with you a thousand percent. And I think if we go to root cause, what is the root cause of what we're currently living through now? It's that people have been don't understand what the word authority means, and they misunderstand it to mean an external entity who has the right to tell us what to do instead of understanding it is our internal is our internal agency. It is our God given right to write our stories however we choose. And so the social engineers have gone the distance from keeping us from knowing our own truths, from growing our own inner authority and agency. It's why, you know, again, referencing my pop propaganda class. I know you guys are affiliates. Thank you so much. Part of what I'm teaching the students the whole time is what are your values? What are your core values? What are your priorities? How do you discern your own internal yes and no? It's helping the students become impervious to the machinations of the matrix because their self-esteem and self-knowledge is so strong. [Speaker 2] (58:10 - 58:58) Yeah, and can ultimately, as someone becomes more connected to their deeper values, what they consume is going to shift as a result, you know, like there is the pop and junk version of every possible form of the media consumption, food, whatever it might be, etc. You know, and I think as your self-esteem increases, as you become more connected to your values, like naturally speaking, you're going to prioritize your energy and your bandwidth and your level of consumption into the things that are of greater quality as a result of that. You know, like obviously there's millions of other podcasts out there which might be considered more junkier than this one is, which people are consuming. But I think on some level, if people have found their way here and they're prioritizing this conversation, then, you know, there's a level of work that has been done. [Speaker 1] (59:00 - 1:00:03) Agreed. A hundred percent. It's being mindful that like at this stage of the game, it's on us to do that work because it's not really lauded or supported yet in our culture, even in our community. Like, you know, Erasmus, where we came out of in L.A., like the spiritual community, you would get way more social cred for like sitting in an ayahuasca ceremony than for like doing inner child work, you know, or like balancing your vagus nerve. Like that's not going to get you the cool points with the cool kids. Um, you know, so as yet, we're still kind of, it's still on us. You guys make it so fun. That's part of what I love about what you guys are doing is like you're getting the like geopolitics and conspiracy and the nervous system and the human design and making it like really fun to do. And I think the fun piece is what has been missing from this entire paradigm is everyone taking it so seriously. Now I have to say the perfect thing at all time and wear a chiffon and pretend I'm enlightened. [Speaker 2] (1:00:04 - 1:00:34) It's like, no, it doesn't really work like I throw on a backwards cap and curse and from Jersey and get deep laugh. Like it doesn't have to be so fucking serious all the time. You know, again, it's the balance of opposites. It's like, yes, you know, work, inner work can be deep. We can confront certain inner demons or things we've dealt with in the past. But can we also look at it like, like, I don't know, can we laugh at ourselves as well? Like, yeah, without the humor and without the lightness, like doing this work and just fuel so much self-criticism as well, you know? [Speaker 1] (1:00:35 - 1:00:37) Oh, yeah. I'm not heavy. [Speaker 2] (1:00:37 - 1:02:37) Yeah. Why? How could I be watching that show or consuming that or living this way or, you know, listening to that kind of music all my life? Like, but what we what we find often, I think there's natural progression of people go from one extreme to the opposite extreme and then hopefully find a little bit more of an inner balance and an integration, you know, whether it's like, you know, I remember myself in my early to mid 20s. I played the food police all the time, like with friends and family. Are you drinking a Red Bull? You know what that Red Bull does to you? Like like I was just like talking shit. And then it's like then I just kind of I don't care as much. You know what I mean? So, I mean, I'm that way with how I even approach health. You know, I used to be so hardcore and so strict and I'm just not as much, you know, I have much more peace, much more harmony and balance around it. But I feel like I had to go through a certain stage to get to where I am, whereas we see so often in our world of instant gratification that like people want that like instant enlightenment, you know, and all the bypassing necessary steps to get to a place of, you know, I don't know, being more integrated within yourself, more unified, even using better language, you know, you know, maybe a person has to go through some really messy stages before they're like, OK, I don't need to be so rigid, but I've learned some things and I'm going to try to integrate them into my life and not be not police everybody. Yeah. I think that that comes with more self-trust, you know, and you build self-trust and self-esteem as you're able to observe your life and actually be like, I'm happy with the life that I'm living like this feels good. I feel like I'm living on purpose. I'm moving in a direction that's meaningful. I feel like I have a great element of discernment and control, you know, in certain areas. And I just don't feel like I'm at the whim of whatever forces may be out there. So, yes, I'm sorry that in there as well. [Speaker 1] (1:02:38 - 1:04:14) I agree with with both of you. And I also think I don't think we've had models for it. Like if we look at like the new age movement, obviously it was a sign up. But what that started like late 60s. And so all the people who are at the forefront had kind of their way. And then we have this like combining with like the truthers or the freedom people or whatnot. And like there just haven't been models. We're all kind of doing something new in our own way. And, you know, like when I Mickey and I did a project for children's health events in early 2019. And I was saying to Mickey, then I'm like, can we not have it be like a person like just talking at the camera? It's so boring. It's so didactic. Like, let's do animations. Let's bring in music. Let's start to bring some entertainment and fun into the space. He went with the didactic, boring person talking at the camera. And we didn't get the gig. But it's like, I just feel like it's really time for this to evolve, not just in terms of like truth and conspiracy and whatnot, but even in terms of just like embracing our totality and the shit talking parts can coexist with, you know, the parts of us who are mindful of what we put in our bodies and the fact that we do have a connection to spirit and they can all coexist. That also feels really new. I feel like before we were operating under the illusion that like as we awaken our consciousness and become, you know, more connected, more expansive, that we're going to come more perfect. [Speaker 2] (1:04:15 - 1:04:49) Or we're just going to repress more of our humanity. Like, you know, whereas I just think repression is the enemy. Now, of course, we want to have consciousness and maybe not behave the things that pop up in our minds sometimes. You know, we want to have some awareness to go, OK, I just had that thought. Maybe I'm not going to act on it, you know, but I like dancing with the different parts of me. I love that they're aware. I like holding space for them. I don't want to be so rigid in my life. Yeah, I think one of the core underlying driver is that we've been sold this lie that affection is the goal when it's not. Whole wholeness is the ideal. [Speaker 1] (1:04:51 - 1:05:26) A thousand percent. And it's only recently and this might just be where I've been attuning my own attention, but I haven't really seen models of it until the past few years myself, which helped, you know, and continue to give me more and more permission to be more and more of myself. You know, and it's part of the reason why I love you guys so much, because you're just having so much fun and being real and also living awesome lives. So like there's just a lot of permission. And then I think the more of us who put our totality out there, the quicker we get to dispel those myths of perfection. [Speaker 2] (1:05:27 - 1:07:07) Yeah. Firstly, thank you. Like it's totally reciprocal. Like we view you, you know, totally in the same light. And I mean, this is a core piece of our work. Like, you know, 10-week group coaching program Rise Above the Herd. It's like as you decondition from the crowd psychology and as you give less credence to what the fuck people think about you, like it matters way less. You give yourself the permission slip to be who you are when you no longer care where the judgment is coming from, because that's what's holding you back. That's what's leading you to live this small, contrived, repressed life ultimately is how you perceive other people thinking of your actions, your behaviors, your choices, your personal direction in life. Agreed. It's hard to like live authentically if you're like constantly self-censoring yourself based on what you think this group of people I'm with. Like again, hopefully over time you've done work and there's intuition and instinct and you're flowing naturally depending on the situation. Maybe certain parts of you may come out with this group of people, other parts. But at the end of the day, it's authentically me. It's in my totality or to the degree that I am now, you know. But the other thing too is like I consider myself a compassionate person and I'm a fucking dickhead sometimes. Like I talk mad shit. I'm not super compassionate at times and that's okay. Whereas I think like sometimes we're like, oh, I'm a compassionate person. But then all of a sudden this part came through and then I have to like judge myself. My inner critic takes hold of it and it's like, oh, you're a horrible person. You're a horrible person as opposed to no. I have a very deeply compassionate side of me that can like see, okay, I can understand why a person could be this way, you know, looking at people around me. And then there's times where I'm just like, you're a fucking idiot. Quit being a retard, you know, so. [Speaker 1] (1:07:09 - 1:07:43) Exactly, exactly. And I, you know, I've been making videos for a long time now and I look back at videos I made years ago and where I was like trying to seem perfect or enlightened or something. And it's creepy to watch. It's like a wolf in sheep's clothing. And throughout the years noticing like the more real I was, the more the better response I would get. And, you know, when I put out a video and I'm like, you know, raging or freaking out and then it's out and I'm like, oh, I shouldn't have put that out. It's going to be terrible. Those are the ones that people appreciate the most. [Speaker 2] (1:07:43 - 1:08:41) Yeah, because they see that and they're like, oh, this person that I, let's say, put on a pedestal or honor or respect is behaving in ways that like I behave and I judge myself for it. So like when you give yourself permission to be more full, you know, to show parts of yourself, there are people that may be like on their journey, they're a little newer in some of this awakening journey or personal development journey or whatever. They go, oh, OK, like I can, you know, trip up or I can be rageful at times or I can, you know, talk shit and be politically incorrect or whatever the case may be that it doesn't then take away everything I stand for and everything I share and teach. And that's the problem we've alluded to it before. It's like you have someone who has an entire body of work, 15 books, and they're amazing. And then they say one thing you disagree with and then people come out with their pitch forks, canceling them, wanting to burn all their books that they ever wrote before that. Remember the Dr. Seuss bullshit a few years ago? Yeah. Is he back? [Speaker 1] (1:08:41 - 1:08:45) Did they let him back? Or is he still? I don't even know how that works. [Speaker 2] (1:08:45 - 1:08:57) I feel like you can't really cancel Dr. Seuss. I feel like he's made his way back. Yeah. What was it? It was some reference. Was it some apparently racist reference? Yeah. Chinese or something. I forget. [Speaker 1] (1:08:57 - 1:09:03) When people get hung up on it, they forget that different eras have different social norms and rules. [Speaker 2] (1:09:04 - 1:09:06) We don't even remember anymore. We don't even remember anymore. [Speaker 1] (1:09:07 - 1:09:12) I love it when women get pissed because a 90-year-old man called her sweetheart. [Speaker 2] (1:09:12 - 1:09:13) It's like, Honey. Hey, honey. [Speaker 1] (1:09:14 - 1:09:17) It's like, let it go. Different generation. [Speaker 2] (1:09:17 - 1:10:23) I know. It's pretty wild. And that's a big missing piece of the zeitgeist of the time that a person grew up in. You're expecting. This is the other thing. We expect these people to just be like us. We deal that way with parents, even just dealing with parents. My parents are old school. My dad's not alive anymore, but I'm going to speak in the present tense. My parents are old school Greeks. They had no education. They grew up in the mountains or on the islands. They came to the US. They weren't raised in the same way. They didn't have the same culture. There's just differences there. Me wanting to bring them up to my level of understanding or consciousness or whatever the case may be, or use of language. I feel like it's a waste of energy as opposed to let me just live my life, lead by example, meet my parents sometimes where they're at or not or choose to not engage. You know what I mean? Depending on the degree of discomfort or disconnection. But I just feel like the examples you gave. It's OK. The dude's 80 years old and he said, honey, you don't need to post about them on Twitter and go on a fucking rage. [Speaker 1] (1:10:23 - 1:10:30) Exactly. Exactly. And also choose your battles. Do you want to be offended all day? Like fun. [Speaker 2] (1:10:31 - 1:10:51) Oh, my goodness. Yeah, that's the thing. True inclusivity isn't appreciating people for becoming more repressed, but acknowledging the vastness of actually who they are. Isn't that real inclusivity when we can be OK with the wider expressions of humanity as opposed to wanting to cut off that? [Speaker 1] (1:10:52 - 1:11:48) A thousand percent. And also giving people the benefit of the doubt. And so much of that program is like looking for ways to make people wrong or bad or to make them racist or sexist or whatever, instead of like giving them the benefit and looking to create a harmonious exchange. I see this and I have a friend I saw at an event over the weekend and her girlfriend is like super woke and like offended by my very existence. And I love that they're together because they're so different. And she's like always looking for a way to be offended by me or have a problem. And I just I just see her making herself miserable. And it's like, we're all just having a good time here. Like, is that that doesn't look it's never fun for her to have me around because she's always butthurt. And it's just what's happening in her mind. [Speaker 2] (1:11:49 - 1:12:13) To me, what we're seeing now in terms of the way cancel culture is manifesting has deeper roots in in communism. I believe it's I believe it's driven by envy and jealousy. And now people have the permission slip to cut people down in a new way. But what's underlying it is like an element of jealousy and envy, in my view. We talk. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, you go. You go. [Speaker 1] (1:12:14 - 1:12:29) Well, what's most disturbing for me is just seeing how many people are being run by negative emotions. Like I didn't I had assumed that most people were good and wanted what was best for one another and wanted to get along. And that's the problem is the assumption. [Speaker 2] (1:12:29 - 1:12:30) That's the problem. [Speaker 1] (1:12:30 - 1:12:34) Yes, yes. I'm learning that wasn't really the case. [Speaker 2] (1:12:34 - 1:13:43) But again, this I come back to like the level of inner work that people do the level of shadow work, the level of parts work like the more parts of you that you get access to doesn't mean you have to live for them. But you're aware within you. You're not going to have the same level of charge when you meet it in the world because you're going to go, oh, yeah, I know the part of me that could be a little fucking tribalistic or racist or if I could say some shit sometimes or or be disrespectful or lie, cheat, steal, like whatever. Like I'm just throwing these words out there. And you're just a little OK. Like doesn't mean you don't set boundaries. Doesn't mean you don't communicate yourself clearly or stand for your convictions. But I just feel like charges are lessened the more we know ourselves. Yeah. In other words, what we judge most very often is what we hate most about ourselves and very in most cases to the point where it's completely unconscious. We don't even know it's very unconscious. Yeah, we don't know. It's in that much of darkness that we don't know it exists within us. And so it's this is simple, you know, Jungian psychology or even, you know, from the lens of parts work, what do you judge most? Right. Because that is the pointer to where within you there is repression and there are parts that are disowned. [Speaker 1] (1:13:44 - 1:15:03) A hundred percent. And, you know, when the world clues into parts work and parts work gets popular, humanity is going to quantum leap. You know, that's I love that work so much. It's another part of the reason why last week I made the executive decision to pull out of politics, which was a big deal, because Emily and I have a weekly live stream wherein we comment on the political sham, you know, so it was hard for me to say I can't do it like I love you and I love doing shows, but I really can't do this anymore. And one of the clues for me was driving on a long country road behind a truck with a Kamala 2024 sticker and seeing how triggered I was getting and realizing I'm this triggered. I'm I have something to look at. I seem to think that it's that I know best that it's going to be better if Trump wins, which means I'm buying into this polarity and something in me needs examination and coming into a different relationship with. So I'm going to pull myself out so that I can go do that work and hopefully come back neutral. But right now I wouldn't even say neutral because I don't think I don't see one being better than the other at this point. But just seeing that trigger in me and realizing like I've lost the privilege of politics at the moment because I'm not neutral. [Speaker 2] (1:15:03 - 1:15:58) Yeah, you know, my teachers, because my first foray into personal development where it was part was parts work. So I'm really grateful and like my mid 20s on my acting teachers was heavily influenced by these two psychologists and it helped. It helped me personally because I was like, OK, if I'm feeling really over identified with something, then like what's on the other side? Like what can I explore? And like I hear you about the neutral thing. For me, it's more about feeling and something I learned from them, like the tension of opposites. It's like you're there. You may not be completely taken over by one side, but you kind of can sense you're standing on two feet. You can sense these opposing qualities or energies within you. And and then how does that then impact you or affect you? You know, because that neutrality, I get what you're saying, because some of the neutrality can be a little bit like detached. And I don't know if I want to be detached. I want to kind of grapple with opposites or or be with them and feel them, but not be overtaken by one or the other. Does that make sense? [Speaker 1] (1:15:58 - 1:16:04) It does make sense. Does it line up more with like Goenka's concept of equanimity? [Speaker 2] (1:16:05 - 1:16:09) Um. He's the Vipassana guy, right? [Speaker 1] (1:16:09 - 1:16:09) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:16:10 - 1:16:24) Um. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I like equanimity is still sensing and feeling, but not being taken over. Or is it like a detached awareness? You know, because I feel like question. [Speaker 1] (1:16:25 - 1:16:43) It's a good question. And I hear what you're saying. It's like I think it's more riding the vicissitudes, but not getting attached. And I noticed around this. I just noticed myself getting attached and thinking I was right. And for me, that's a clue that I'm off or that I'm caught up in something. [Speaker 2] (1:16:43 - 1:20:04) Yeah. Now I'm remembering a quote that one of my I was in a workshop and my teacher, Dr. Hal Stone, someone asked him about enlightenment. What do you think enlightenment is? And he was like the ability to navigate between opposites in a conscious way. So I think that if we're stuck in one way of looking at it and the trigger and the charge is always there, we're missing something. But if we have this awareness where we can kind of move and dance between this duality, that is a part of who we are. You know, I feel like that is more of a signpost of a person who's more evolved and enlightened, especially when it's done in a conscious way, because most people flip. They're over identify, you know, a certain way, like a people pleaser. There are people, there are people, there are people. And then one day they walk in the resentment builds up and they fucking go off. I do this for everyone out there. Treat me this way. And then it's like, oh, my God, what did I do? OK, sure. You know what I mean? So it's like it's this flip that happens unconsciously as opposed to the awareness of like, oh, both sides, depending on the pairs of opposites live within me. And how do I move with them? How do I relate with them in a more conscious way? Yeah, for me, like I don't have much emotional charge around the political situation. But on a level of reason, I believe it would be bad or I believe it would be worse if there was a Kamala presidency simply based on the ideas that are being proposed. And so it's like, I think you can get to a place where you can look at it and be like, definitely based on reason and logic, feel like this would lead to better outcomes overall. And ultimately, if that's what happens, that's what happens. And I really don't give a fuck, you know? Yeah. So you could think it's all a sign up in theater. And yet there's still there's still there's still differences for an individual to relate to and go, wait, do I want someone who cackles all the time and speaks about equality of outcome all the time or maybe someone who's, you know, has gives a speech and talks about things that maybe politicians in the past don't talk about, whether it's to serve a purpose. I don't know. But if I had to choose, not that I'm saying I'm voting, but like if I had to choose or lean towards something or advocate for something, I may, you know, I may still be like, yeah, because I'm a little more into this. Yeah, there's there's practical outcomes which, you know, probably do have an impact on a individual level. And even though it's not the end of the world and I don't think people should get sucked into, oh, my God, my person like didn't get in and go in the street, start picketing. I think it's OK to be like, yeah, I believe that this would lead to a better result. And, you know, hopefully that happens. But if it doesn't, it's not the end of the world, either. And no, like, sure, I could feel these things. I don't really have any control over the matter. Yeah, I this thing's happening. Cool. I'm going to talk about it with some friends. I might post about it a few times and I got to live my fucking life. I'm going to go plant some fruit trees, hang out with chickens, you know, write a book, whatever. Yeah. And like there's there's a part of me which has been useful for me, but people can take this as a way to bypass as well. So but also I genuinely I genuinely believe whatever plays out, there is a deeper meaning and a higher order to it, which maybe I don't have the full grasp, be able to understand as as as it happens, you know. [Speaker 1] (1:20:05 - 1:20:23) I agree. And fundamentally, that's what I come down to. But again, it's complicated and it's layered. You know, so like they stole 2020. I think it would have been much better for our country and the people in our country if they hadn't and it had gone a different way. [Speaker 2] (1:20:24 - 1:21:03) And I can I intervene just there for a second just just to try to try and balance it. Maybe they stole 2020. And while that wasn't ideal, did this lead to ultimately greater awareness of how much of a shit show we're actually living in because of the blatant rigging that everybody observed? Maybe the people weren't really ready, but maybe now as a result, because of how obvious and poorly executed it was, maybe there is now a greater awareness of how much corruption, deceit, lies, illusion, vampiristic behavior is underlying the system. But is it just to balance the way that that can be perceived potentially? [Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:09) So do you guys know people who woke up because of how the 2020 election went down? [Speaker 2] (1:21:10 - 1:21:31) I think while I can't, while there's not someone that comes immediately to mind, I definitely believe that I've read conversations and seen commentary around the vats. I know more people that got more aware or awakened or clued in because of the COVID stuff, more so than the the election situation. [Speaker 1] (1:21:32 - 1:22:58) I see. I've heard that perspective before, Joel, and part of me agrees with you and I see value and that's the way it went down. So obviously that's the way it should have gone down because that's how it happened. And I'm not interested in fighting with reality, but the annoying part of being animated with so much Aquarius energy is caring about humanity and seeing how many businesses crumbled, how many people got hurt, how many people lost family members because of the, you know, it's like that hurts my heart. So from that perspective, I agree with you. There is a clear. I feel like we're Trump to get in and and the idea that they're not going to cheat again, I think is adorable and all. But yeah, I think it would be better for the people. I think there would be less suffering for the people initially who knows what would happen. But I'm aware that we're all susceptible to mind control, including me. And these political ops and issues are ways of mind controlling the public. So for me, I notice if I'm driving behind a car with a Kamala sticker and I'm saying you fucking idiot and I'm dumping into separation consciousness and demeaning the person in front of me because of that sticker, then there's something in me that's inviting my attention. And I'd rather put my attention on that and transmute that than continue to create separation in my own community. [Speaker 2] (1:22:58 - 1:24:39) I honor that fully. Yeah, I agree, because there are people I know in my life that are probably are definitely going to vote for Kamala Harris and they're lovely people and they have things to offer in this world, whether from a creative standpoint, from a helping standpoint. And so it's like it's easy to want other people based on a single ideological difference. And I think we need to move away from that. And I think that's part of the work that you're doing. I know you were talking about it at Music in the Sky, all this anti-language and how does that impact us and create more separation? I know it's a buzzword, unity, but we have to figure out how to come together, how to be like, hey, it's OK to agree to disagree. We don't need to vote for the same person, but you're awesome and I love the way you make sourdough. Can I learn from you? You know what I mean? Totally. But I get it. Sometimes when there's core values at play, if people are talking about them all the time, it's hard to relate. But a lot of this stuff, like once the election is done, I feel like every four years, people fucking lose their minds and it becomes to the forefront of their consciousness even more and they're talking about it all the time. This person is going to save us. Or is this like, man, there's so many more things that connect us as human beings than whether or not we're voting for a blue person or a fucking red person. Yeah. And this is why, just as a general note, cultivating deeper purpose in your life is going to save you from a lot of this bullshit, because simply put, there's going to be less value to be given to the circus because you're giving so much value to who I am, where I'm going, what I'm building, what I'm creating. [Speaker 1] (1:24:40 - 1:24:54) And that was another part of the reason why I've decided to pull my attention out. It was like this sham doesn't deserve my sacred attention or my telomeres or anything like I'd rather redistribute that energy towards the things I actually care about. [Speaker 2] (1:24:55 - 1:24:56) Like redistributing. [Speaker 1] (1:24:56 - 1:25:27) I'm listening to a memoir on Tate. It's like for years, I haven't really had time for books that weren't about like secret societies or the CIA or listening to dark journalists or no agenda or whatnot. And I'm like, I have my attention back. I'm not talking about politics anymore, so I don't have to track it. What do I really, truly care about? That's just annoying to see the red blue stuff destroy relationships because it's like how much are we really talking about that with our friends? Like who cares what you do in the voting booth? [Speaker 2] (1:25:27 - 1:26:06) Yeah. And this is where I love human design too, because we can see how we can be conditioned through our open centers. So we're following ideas and inspirations that don't really fucking matter to us. And how can we tap in more truly? How can we really live into our inner authority and go, I want to pick up this book, you know? I'm not, I'm going to listen to that podcast because everyone's talking about this subject and I have to do this, that or the other. It's like, no, I want to fucking read a book about sunflowers, you know what I mean? Like, because I want to, because it excites me. And it's okay that I'm not like tapped in and being influenced by whatever the fuck's going on out there. And there's only so many hours in a day. [Speaker 1] (1:26:07 - 1:26:32) That was a thing. It was like looking at, I have like four bookshelves stacked. Like I have books stacked on my refrigerator. And I kept saying like someday, someday, someday. And then I had to get real with myself of like, it's not going to happen unless I clear the space and time for it to happen, which means ceasing to do things that I don't want to do. [Speaker 2] (1:26:32 - 1:28:28) Yeah. I'm in the same boat. Joel and I joke about this all the time because I used to read so much more, but in the last like three, four years, I haven't as much because I met Joel. We're creating a business. We moved to a place where we have no outdoor space. Now we have lots of outdoor space. I have so much work to do around the house and then be a husband. And it's like, oh fuck, like where am I? How am I managing my time? Stop rationalizing please. You know, where can I put my time and manage my time better when it's not a strength, you know? Like I wouldn't say time management is like the thing I'm known for where it's like you're awesome unless you're so disciplined. And the way you manage time is like, is an asset to our organization and our business or our friendship, whatever the case may be. But there is a finite amount of hours in a day. And so it's like, okay, you have all these other things going on in your life. Again, how are you prioritizing your time? And I'm reaching this bit of a, I don't want to call it a tipping point, but even just what you explained, like it resonated so deeply, like all these books, you know, the one line in me, like the investigator wants to get back to doing a lot more investigating and reading about things that I'm titillated by and excited by and turned on by, you know? So it's interesting that you're bringing that up because I'm feeling in that place, you know, where like the discomfort or the pain of staying the same is like greater than the pain of like shifting and changing things up. So I'm like, okay, it's time to change things and shift things up. Yeah. And all of our lives play out in seasons, you know? So what comes and goes, you know, I think we need to have a level of self-compassion for ourselves as well when some certain practices that were giving us a benefit, you know, kind of leave for a bit of time. Oh, of course. I can't imagine if I was beating myself up the last three, four years, every fucking day, but like you're a stupid idiot. You're awesome. I was like, why aren't you reading two books a day? Like what the fuck's wrong with you? You're horrible. Oh my God, you're going out and planting 50 fruit trees. You should be fucking reading a book. You know what I mean? [Speaker 1] (1:28:28 - 1:28:29) Take some of that fruit. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:28:30 - 1:28:32) Well, I mean, you're not going to come visit, so you don't get any. [Speaker 1] (1:28:36 - 1:28:38) Maybe you guys will come to New Mexico. [Speaker 2] (1:28:38 - 1:29:10) I actually do want to come to New Mexico. I drove through New Mexico when I moved to LA, beginning of 2013, and I stopped in Santa Fe. Are you in Santa Fe or are you not? I am. And I loved Santa Fe. Like it was beautiful. We went to this one restaurant that I really loved. I forget the name of it. If I remember, I'll let you know. But yeah, we'd like to make it back there. So maybe we'll take a little trip, come say hello. I want to be closer to you as well in Guanajuato. So yeah, we'll see. I think she was just inviting me, bro. [Speaker 1] (1:29:11 - 1:29:12) She said you guys, bro. [Speaker 2] (1:29:14 - 1:29:15) Yeah, attention isn't your strong suit. [Speaker 1] (1:29:16 - 1:29:25) I was trying to convince Mike to do the next Music in Sky in New Mexico. I'm like, here's the property I found. It has a river. Do it here. But you Californians seem to still be attached to California. [Speaker 2] (1:29:26 - 1:30:02) I'm down. I'll come to Music in Sky in New Mexico for sure. You know? Yeah. Love this conversation. I feel like we tapped on a really a lot of important points. I feel like, yeah, people are going to get a lot of value out of this. I think it's very, very necessary at this point in time. And I love who you are. I love the way you show up. I love that we get to have this dance in the way that we've had it as well. And just keep doing your thing, man. I feel like there's so much potential just like bubbling for you. [Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:04) Thank you. I'll take it. [Speaker 2] (1:30:05 - 1:31:37) Thank you guys so much for having me. Yeah, I loved having you. Yeah, I agree with what Joel said. Because again, it's like here we are. We're like sharing certain things. But then we're in it. And then we're talking about nuance and discernment. And like we're modeling the things that I think maybe people are navigating and thinking about in their own minds, in their heads. So it was a great conversation. Always love the conversations we have. I echo everything Joel said. I just respect you as a human being and your mind and how you go about the world. And you are an inspiration to many people. So everyone listening, buy all of Danny's books. And if you have teenagers or if you're not a teenager and you want to learn more about propaganda, go to our website, GiveHerTheTruth.com. And in the sidebar, I think we have a little image of Danny's force. And so click on that, support her. And keep living your lives. And don't get sucked up into all the bullshit. Deep down, a part of me is like, why am I getting fucking sucked into this bullshit? I want to go like, I don't know, be outside and hug my child and whatever that is. Like currency, like time, your attention span is currency. What are you putting your attention on? And get really clear about what's going to drive you closer to your highest values. Also, Danny's a recent member of our membership community, Friends of the Truth. Had some nice banter going on in there recently. And so if you're down to come and witness those conversations, you're welcome to join us inside Friends of the Truth as well. Danny, is there anything else you wanted to say before we wrap this one up? [Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:55) Well, I will say I've been pitching you guys on my own podcast just because I have so much fun in your community. So I've been driving people there. It's my favorite of all the communities. I've actually left a bunch. And it inspired me to shut down my own Telegram community because I'm like, this is more fun. I just want to be in there. [Speaker 2] (1:31:55 - 1:31:56) Thank you. Thank you so much. [Speaker 1] (1:31:56 - 1:32:25) Thank you so much. I just want to encourage people to remember that we all have so much more power than we realize. And you don't need a podcast. And you don't need a stage. And you don't need to write books. We're all modeling 24-7. And we can move the needle big time in our own communities. So I do recommend grabbing copies of The Language of Boterarchy to help grab some new tools in helping to... Ooh, thank you, Erasmus. [Speaker 2] (1:32:25 - 1:32:27) Visual blog, nice. [Speaker 1] (1:32:27 - 1:32:46) Much appreciated. Yeah, and that we can all... Who cares who's in office? We have way more power. There are more of us. And for us to pick up the reins and let that inspire us throughout our days and the choices we make and the words we exchange and the joy we choose to embody. [Speaker 2] (1:32:47 - 1:33:37) I love that you said that. I just have to throw something else in there. If people were really honest with themselves and go, really, all you people that hate Orange Man, how was your day-to-day 2016 to 2020 for most of humanity? And this goes back to different politicians. Your day-to-day, waking up, going to school, working, was your day-to-day just that much ruined because a certain person was in office in this country? So I just feel like we get hooked into these things of the programming. Like, no, our person needs to win or else our lives are going to be horrendous. But if we look past... For most people, there might be some individual people based on their lives and their choices where they might feel a little more invested. But for a huge percentage of people, their lives aren't changing based on who the fuck is president. Would you agree with that statement? [Speaker 1] (1:33:37 - 1:33:55) Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, that's so much of what's frustrating about the propaganda and whatnot. It's like, our lives are fine and beautiful. You know, focus on your limbed experience versus what, you know, pundits and talking heads are telling you to think of reality through the screen. [Speaker 2] (1:33:55 - 1:34:07) Yeah. Like, I can't think of like, oh, when Clinton was president, oh my God, my life was this. Or when Bush was president, oh my God, it was the worst fucking eight years of my life. Or when Obama was president, like, you know. [Speaker 1] (1:34:07 - 1:34:08) Obama kind of sucked though. [Speaker 2] (1:34:10 - 1:34:18) Yeah, well, no, I mean, I definitely have my opinions on all these people and presidents and stuff like that. But I just like. Fuck sucked what? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:34:18 - 1:34:19) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (1:34:19 - 1:34:25) My life was my life. I was making choices and decisions like it didn't matter who the fuck was the president. [Speaker 3] (1:34:26 - 1:34:26) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (1:34:26 - 1:34:40) Yeah. Guys, withdraw all your sacred attention from the political figures. Harness it all into Joel Erasmus and Danny. And we're now selling miniature size shrine statues of ourselves at hereforthetruth.com. So you can get one, put it on your mantelpiece. [Speaker 1] (1:34:42 - 1:34:43) I'm buying those immediately. [Speaker 2] (1:34:44 - 1:34:54) We know we didn't get it, too, but it's OK. But another time. But like the whole new age divine return to the divine feminine goddess whole fucking thing, which is an interesting kind of like little subculture. Round three. Round three. [Speaker 1] (1:34:55 - 1:34:56) Yeah, that'll be our round three combo. [Speaker 2] (1:34:57 - 1:36:08) All right, cool. Danny, love you. Everyone else. Thanks for listening. Love you guys too. Peace out. That was so much fun. Love having Danny on and looking forward to round three already. I know we spoke about it briefly, but just a clear call to action for those interested. If you do want to jump inside our premium community, Friends of the Truth, it's at friendsofthetruth.co or the link is in the bio. And I just feel like we keep collecting the dopest, most amazing individuals in there. Danny's in there and also some other previous podcast guests, which I'm not going to name at this point in time. But the insiders get to be a witness to some pretty awesome conversations, which we're looking forward to continue to have and also to continue to evolve the value offered in that community as well. And we have fun. So, if you like to have fun, if you like to laugh, if you're okay with politically incorrect memes, then, you know, come join us on Telegram. If you're not easily offended as well, that's definitely a caveat to joining. You know, if the words gay and retard in certain contexts are able to fly, then I think, you know, you'll be okay. But yeah, if you're curious, come explore. friendsofthetruth.co. Peace.