Dr. Melissa Sell The Truth About Stds: Breaking the Myths of HIV, Herpes, and Beyond

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 1:47) What's up, everybody? My name is Jarrosimus. I'm doing the intro today. My training wheels are off. Joel passed over this responsibility to me. You make that joke every single time. You've done at least 15 intros now. I don't know about 15. We'll see. But anyways, we got another amazing episode for you today. This is one of my favorite subjects, obviously. We have Melissa Sell coming back on for the sixth time. This time we are exploring the controversial subject of quote unquote sexually transmitted diseases and what they really are from the Germany medicine standpoint. So this is a really deep conversation. We explore some of the history around HIV and AIDS. We get into herpes, gonorrhea, chlamydia and some other things and what they mean from a genome model. So hopefully you enjoy it. Yeah. Right before we bring Melissa on, I just want to let you guys know there's about five or six more days left only to submit an application for the next round of Rise Above the Herd, which starts on October 15th. This is a 10 week psycho-spiritual program for you to really unleash your power, step deeper into authenticity, bring more integrity, more alignment into your life. Personally, we don't believe there's anything as holistic as this program out there. So if you're down for 10 weeks of a personal development, hanging out with us, having the laughs, getting real, becoming more nuanced, discovering more parts of yourself, exploring your shadow, activating your creative life force, then we can help. Rise Above the Herd.co, 12 spots only. [Speaker 3] (1:48 - 1:54) You are now listening to the Year for the Truth podcast hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 2] (1:57 - 2:48) Dr. Melissa Sell returns for the sixth time to the Year for the Truth podcast. Number six. I'm sure many of our listeners are very familiar with you, but for those that aren't, Melissa, she presents incredible information on the health system of German medicine. This is paradigm shattering in many ways. I highly recommend people check out our previous episodes. The last one we did, The Legend of Dr. Harmer, episode 163, is an amazing Foundations episode into this topic. And today we're going to be exploring sexual health and STDs through a German medicine focused lens. So, Melissa, great to see you, as always. It was awesome hanging out at Music & Sky just recently and getting connected a bit deeper. Welcome back. [Speaker 1] (2:49 - 3:50) Well, thank you guys so much for having me. This is going to be a very fun, very liberating topic to cover, because just like everything with German medicine, Germanic healing knowledge, it just turns it upside down. Everything we were indoctrinated and told and scared into believing about health and disease, we come to find out there is a whole different dimension of understanding that is available to us. And so this one I particularly enjoy. Every time I've consulted with someone who this was their thing, like this was their symptom. And when I share with them the facts, the biological understanding of why their tissues in a particular area of their body would be adapting, they see it with clarity. The shame, the discomfort that came with having this this particular category of symptom falls away when you're like, actually, this makes a whole lot of sense. So this is a great one to share with the world and your audience. [Speaker 2] (3:51 - 5:11) Yeah, I'm really excited, you know, because I think there's so much noise wrapped around this subject. And when you think about like when we were younger and all the advertisements on TV and like in health class or whatever, you know, whatever class we took where they were just like, you can't have sex or this is what's going to happen to you. And it's like it's so fucked up when you think about it. At the end of the day, like how many like, you know, your teenage years or your years in your 20s are, you know, when I guess people maybe were maybe a little bit more sexually active, depending on their life, like how much this takes up their thinking and and their consciousness. And, you know, I really like there's a self-righteous part of me that that comes out where it's like, I want everyone to understand this knowledge, this deeper understanding of how our biology function functions. So you don't have to live in fear. And yes, sure. You know, we talked about we've had episodes and we've talked about, you know, other symptoms that present, you know, but when we get into this topic of so-called sexually transmitted diseases, it just operates on a completely different level, like at the core of our being, something that is so rooted in us as human beings, sexuality, having sex, intimate relationships, connecting with others that. Yeah, I just want to shine more light on this. So thank you for, you know, being here and thank you for the work that you do on this subject. [Speaker 1] (5:12 - 6:57) Yeah, for sure. And a lot of times they're even, you know, referring it to STI, sexually transmitted infections. We've got infection. We have disease. We have the concept of these entities, you know, so it always comes back to the idea of germ theory and this idea that there's little scary bad things that live, especially on your sexual organs that can pop from person to person and create disease. Right. They can create infection. And then once you have it, you are marred forever. You are, you know, forever marked with the the big S, right? Like you've got the the second, the STD, the STI. You have this bad thing now. And so there's so many implications and there's so many false assumptions about the way nature works or about the way biology works. And it's one of those things. And anytime we talk about contagion, it can seem very just simple. You had it. Then we got together and then I had it. You gave it to me. Right. But that is just assuming that the only thing that transpires when sexual contact takes place is just bodies touching. Right. Like if we think it's if it's just bodies touching, you know, and there's we're not thinking about anything else. It's like, OK, so we look at the material material touches material. There's material on here that hops over here, materialism. And you can just keep it at that level. And you're like, OK, this this makes sense. I did something naughty and bad. Right. I did something I shouldn't have done. And now I'm being punished for it now. And then we have, you know, good and evil. We have religious concepts in here. And you see how it just kind of maps onto our experience. And people don't ever think to question it until you cross something like this. [Speaker 2] (6:58 - 7:16) Yeah. Do you think the the psychology of religion and all the see the fear paradigm that is probably festering at the base of the collective psyche plays a role in the enhancement and the proliferation of this as well, as we know that Germany medicine is a psychological paradigm as well? [Speaker 1] (7:17 - 9:01) Absolutely. I mean, how could it not? Because the the the layer, the lens of religious programming colors everything right. And especially I mean, it seems to be particularly rigid around sexual expression. Right. We want to, you know, control this impulse, this thing that in some religions is seen as like this evil and this bad and this wrong thing that needs to be suppressed. And then if it comes out, so it absolutely is shaping a person. And even just, you know, sex in nature is just so simple. Nobody when you look at animals, when you look at nature, there's no weirdness, there's no discomfort, there's no rules. There there's just hierarchy, right? Hierarchy is what determines the the copulation strategies of the animals. And it's just simple and basic and no big deal. And there's no big, you know, lecture that you need to give your children at a certain when the animals talk to their offspring about sex. Never. They don't do that. There's there's no communication about it. It's just a natural progression. But because, you know, religious ideas and, you know, we think we need to instill values and make sure you're doing this and not doing that, of course, this is going to get very muddled. And obviously, like this source of great pleasure. Right. Because there can be other conflicts that lead to compulsive sexual expression, you know. And so but isn't it funny that when we suppress the sexual expression, we give people conflicts around their sexuality. That is what tends to enhance and amplify sexual compulsion and the the need to express. And so it gets really messy, I think, because people are, you know, people are trying to do the right thing. But in their efforts to do the right thing, often we screw things up beyond imagination. [Speaker 2] (9:01 - 10:19) Well, yeah. And also the differences between animals and humans. There are differences, of course, from a consciousness standpoint. I've seen some ducks huddle in a circle, bro. Who knows what they're talking about? Yeah, yeah. But can we do sexual? But even just like that, they're just more there's more noise that comes, obviously being human, because we have a mind that's a little that's different than animals that that thinks in a certain way and that, you know, like there's probably a lot of animals where consent isn't a thing, you know, or it's like the the alpha just rolls up and goes, listen, you're mine. And that's it. I'm going to I'm going to do my thing and you're going to have babies that come out of you real quickly before we get into all this. I want to ask you, do you think? Well, let me talk to our audience. We've done five episodes previous to this. We've got into a whole bunch of subjects around G&M. Our most recent one that Joel mentioned really gets into like it's like the summary of Dr. Homer's story and his five biological laws. So do you usually like when you get into the subject to give like a brief little quick rundown of like five biological laws in relation to this? Or do you want to just like go into talking about like, let's just go down a list of maybe certain common STDs, STIs and explore them? I think let's just hit it. This is this is, you know, more of an advanced conversation. We've been cool. Yeah, cool, cool. [Speaker 1] (10:20 - 10:20) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (10:20 - 10:24) Well, thanks for answering the question. Thanks for asking the question. And I asked her. No worries, right? [Speaker 1] (10:24 - 10:30) It'll become obvious as we as we get into this, we can overview each of the laws within it. [Speaker 2] (10:30 - 11:05) Yeah. And anyone listening, just go watch our recent episode, but maybe even before this. OK. Episode 163. Yeah. OK. Well, where would you like to start? Well, I have I have I have one commentary, I think, with a necessary preface, because like I don't think that we're saying that there should be no discernance around sex. Right. Because I mean, from my perspective, there is like probably spiritual hygienic factors and components and energetic things to to consider as well. But it is the the the fear mongering and the fear porn, which obviously presents an issue. [Speaker 1] (11:06 - 14:08) Certainly. Yes. And so, yeah, I mean, there are things that make sense, right? It's the the conscious mind has the ability to be discerning about doing what makes sense. I mean, this is like I think this came up in one of the conversations, maybe the sexuality one, like the fact that the the woman or the young girl becomes sexually mature at age 11 when she can ovulate and conceive. That doesn't it doesn't make sense for her to begin having children at that point. Right. Like in nature, that makes sense for the the human who has, you know, more development and more maturing to do during those years. It doesn't make sense for for humans to procreate at age 11, even though they're biologically able to. So absolutely. There are things that we want to, you know, model for our children about what makes sense with regards to pair bonding and mate choice and not being driven solely by the the impulse to procreate. Right. And controlling and directing that. And, you know, the I love Napoleon Hill, you know, talks a lot about sex, transmutation, this energy, this desire, this impulse. You know, it's a creative impulse. And so, you know, during certain years where it may not make sense for, you know, for young people to be engaging in sexual activity, teaching them how to channel that. It's like, hey, this this is a creative force of the universe that you can use to, you know, to build your your business, to grow ideas, to do other things. And so absolutely harnessing the the energy of sex and realizing that it's this creative life force and using it when it makes sense and having containers around, you know, intercourse, I think makes a lot of sense. And again, not rigidity and shame. And it's bad. And if you do this, you know, not turning it into something that a person feels bad about, but just something that they can make choices. Right. Conscious choice reigns supreme. And so the person is making conscious choices, you know, and obviously the conscious choices you make when you're 15 are going to be different than the ones that you make when you're 21, 25. And so, you know, at every stage, we have to kind of honor honor where we are and know that, you know, we are going to be driven to do what makes sense in the context of our culture, of our society. And that's the thing is when, you know, society really if society as a whole was doing what made sense, right, made sense to protect the family, because that's ultimately really what we want to do. And the thing that gets, you know, we're rigid, religious, you know, like Christian ideas that can be very shame inducing. Also, we can see how, you know, it actually there is some sense there, too, because it's protecting the family, right? It's the ideal of having a mother and a father in a, you know, in a sacred union together. And they stay within this container so they can raise their children. You know, and that makes sense because those children who are in a stable environment like that are much less likely to encounter conflicts of, you know, infidelity and divorce. But that's the thing. The religious structure does not guarantee that these things don't happen. [Speaker 2] (14:09 - 15:07) And so. Yeah, and especially like if within the religious structure, a lot of the education is very, like, strict and dogmatic and fear based. I think that's going to cause way more of a split in a person's psyche, you know, feeling like, you know, God's watching over every thought and every act and every deed that they that they make. Well, I think to start this off, why don't we just start with the big one to get into it? Because it's this it's a subject that got me going down, questioning a lot of things around health, around the government, around the scientific establishment. When I first came across Dr. Carey Mullis's autobiography in 2005 called Dancing Naked in the Minefield. And he was challenging the conventional. I mean, he wasn't looking at things from a GNM standpoint, but he was challenging the HIV equals AIDS hypotheses. So from a GNM standpoint, I believe Dr. Hammer wrote a book on this. Is that was that book been translated or is it in German? [Speaker 1] (15:08 - 15:10) It is in German. I have it right here. [Speaker 2] (15:10 - 15:11) The Germans. [Speaker 1] (15:11 - 15:20) AIDS, the disease that does not exist. I have only been able to read chunks of it because it is in German. But yes, he wrote an entire book about it. [Speaker 2] (15:21 - 15:44) So, yeah. So why don't we go into HIV AIDS? Because I feel like this is what started this whole or continued, let's say, the viral craze in the 80s and instilled so much fear into people, especially as the media was growing. Yeah, like what what are your thoughts on it? What what is it from a GNM standpoint? And then we'll kind of go go on from there. [Speaker 1] (15:45 - 18:01) Yeah, well, it is totally dependent on the symptoms that the individual expresses because and the House of Numbers documentary, if you have not seen that, it's on YouTube. Go watch it. It just lays out how in different countries AIDS is labeled something different. You know, it's like they change the diagnose, change the diagnosis label and all the case numbers would increase. I mean, it just it's just like the scandemic. It's just it's a it's a collection of symptoms that we can label with a disease name and cause all sorts of hysteria and panic. Like the CDC. And this is they talked about this in that documentary. The CDC was looking their their funding was plummeting after, you know, because polio was over and they needed a new disease. Kerry Mullins, he even said that there were like flyers up around in the CDC saying, we need a new pandemic, we need a new disease, you know. And here here comes out of the woodwork that this collection of symptoms that they label, you know, that there's an HIV virus that causes this immune deficiency syndrome, which is such a broad category. And then they go over to Africa and they would just look at people who were losing weight and say, you have AIDS. Anyone who's just losing weight, they didn't have testing for it. And so that is there is no thing. It's a disease that does not exist, according to Dr. Homer. It is a collection of symptoms. Now, if a person is presenting with, you know, lung symptoms and liver symptoms and sexually, we have to look each individual conflict, you know, and when they test for something, what they test for are antibodies. And antibodies are simply microproteins created by the body in the wake of a conflict shock. And so there is no association between these antibodies and a scary disease. But as soon as that idea is planted into someone's mind, it's terrifying. As a child, I was afraid. There was some news report of, you know, beware, you know, the little change area where you would if you were at a pay phone and like where the coins came down, or if you were you put the coin in and you get some little toy or something that those little shoots that people would put dirty needles in there and that if you touch the dirty needle, you would get AIDS. Like that was implanted in my mind as a child. [Speaker 3] (18:01 - 18:01) Right. [Speaker 1] (18:01 - 18:39) So this very idea of this scary, mysterious, but very, very bad disease called AIDS that you could just get from, you know, and then just just like with the contagion thing, oh, can you get it from hugging? Can you get it from kissing? Can you get it from does it have to be bodily fluid contact? All of that is just an idea that was implanted into people's mind to build up this. Because all of a sudden the CDC started getting so much money for research. And so they were back in business with AIDS. And so we have to look at always just what symptoms is a person expressing. And the symptoms tell the story of the experience the individual had. [Speaker 2] (18:40 - 19:05) Yeah. And and funnily enough, who was at the helm of all this Mr. Anthony Fauci, there was a lot of correlations between HIV, AIDS and SARS-CoV-2 and COVID. But yeah, I mean, it's just kind of ridiculous when you think about it, like HIV then causes like all this like laundry list of different, quote unquote, diseases or symptoms. [Speaker 1] (19:05 - 20:11) Yeah, it's ridiculous. And all the testing is indirect and super interesting. So like, you know, when they say, oh, we need to give someone a vaccine so we can boost their antibodies. Right. Because like the whole idea is, oh, if we give you the vaccine, your body mounts an attack. But in the case of the AIDS situation, they test you. And if you have the antibodies, that means you have the disease. It's like it's such a bizarre situation. And if you're still in the germ theory and if you're still in the idea that external bugs and germs are just floating around and other people's bodies that can come along and make you sick, you're just you're vulnerable to these ideas. But when you understand the connection between experience and adaptation, experience and adaptation, that's what it is. That's the story with all so-called STDs, STIs. There is an experience. And of course, things of a sexual nature, right, have so many more opportunities to produce conflicts. Because like we talked about, we've got the religion thing. We've got, you know, just naked bodies touching. I mean, there's you know, there's sensations, there's smells, there's fluids, there's there's stuff, right? [Speaker 2] (20:11 - 20:15) So there's this big self-worth components wrapped up in that too, right? [Speaker 1] (20:15 - 24:03) Certainly. Absolutely. And yeah, my security with myself, with my body. I mean, one wrong glance, one one wrong word during the intimate contact or in the wake of the intimate contact can set off a conflict. I mean, that is the power of words is tremendous in the psyche. One word, one glance, one assumption made by the psyche. It doesn't even have to be real, right? As long as it's perceived by you. If I have severe self-devaluation, if I'm severely insecure, you know, a lot of people are insecure sexually because of things like pornography and they are comparing their real life experiences to, you know, what they've seen on the screen. And if they feel that their partner is disappointed with something about their, you know, their physical form or their performance or whatever, that's all it takes. Right. And then we have the oh, and then we also have the potential for pregnancy, which, again, can bring huge fear, huge shame, huge all, you know, all of that. So it makes sense that sex in particular is rife for potential conflicts. And so that's all we all we are looking for. If you develop symptoms following a sexual encounter, it's not because you now are, you know, soiled and dirtied with some yucky germ that got on your private parts. It's you experienced a conflict. In that situation, your tissue is adapted. And typically, by the time you have any symptoms, you're already in the healing phase. The body is all we're already going through the repair. And then you get into the vicious cycle, you know, so we could talk about herpes, for example. So this is, you know, one of the most common ones that I encounter and I've talked to people about. We've got we got it on the mouth and we have it on the genitals. And what is it? It is a squamous tissue adaptation. So that's the outer skin. And when we have when we are really either desperately wanting contact, right? I'm feeling separated from my lover, from my partner, from, you know, intimacy. I'm feeling separated or I want to separate. This was not a good contact. I did not like this. This was an unwanted touch, unpleasant touch. During the act of conflict, there's erosion, micro ulceration in the tissue. Right. So we we dig a little hole during the act of conflict that numbs the tissue, causes memory loss. And then during the healing phase. So once you are like, OK, well, that's over. You know, I'm never going to do that again after the encounter. Or you're like, oh, what a release. That was so wonderful. I'm so happy to be reunited with my love. The tissue starts to repair and rebuild. And then you go, oh, dear, there seems to be a sore in my private parts. And then you freak out, right? You freak out because you think, oh, no, I have something right. This we equate just because of how we've been raised. We equate an area that is red and inflamed and uncomfortable and swollen with an infection. And we think, oh, dear, there's something bad going on here. And then if they tested, if they swab it, they could, you know, give you a diagnosis of, oh, you have herpes. You have this virus and it's never going to go away. And now you're going to just have to manage and you're going to have to, you know, bear the shame and tell everybody that, you know, you're ever going to have contact with that. You had this thing called herpes when what you have. It what you had was an experience of separation regarding intimacy. Now, the thing is, and the reason why it seems like you'll always have it or it can come back out is because of tracks. Right. So the biology, the psyche remembers everything about the experience. And so sex itself, intimate contact itself can become a track. And so because that happened one time where you were, you know, again, you didn't like the contact or let's say you can even after the fact, you know, if someone tells you, oh, you slept with that guy. Ooh, here's the, here's some things I know about him. [Speaker 3] (24:04 - 24:04) Right. [Speaker 1] (24:04 - 26:38) And so in the wake of it, and then you can have the conflict. And how often are people, have they experienced, oh, there was infidelity in the relationship. Right. And that, and then you brought it back to our bed. Right. You, you, you know, we're not faithful. You went to be with someone else. And then, you know, the idea that you brought it back to the bed again, brought what we're thinking about a bug. We're not taught. How come we're not talking about the experience of, you know, leaving the confines of the relationship and being, you know, not faithful to your partner and going with someone else, having fun, you know, and you know that that person had split energy, right. About, you know, when you're in a committed relationship with someone and you go outside of that relationship for whatever reason, you are thinking about it. Like it is, it's going on to some degree, even if you're drunky at some point, you're coming to a realization of should not have done that. Or I shouldn't be doing this, or this is wrong to be doing right. There's a separate or, and it's also that split energy of like, I'm really, you know emotionally, sexually drawn to this person to have this contact, but I shouldn't. And that push pull, I want to, but I can, but I want to, but I can't. There's often an element of push pull when there is a separation conflict. So it can be both sides of that wanting and not wanting contact. And then, so yeah, when the symptoms arise, that means the tissue is in repair now. And if we have the right context and the right understanding, well, we can learn a lot about ourselves, right? Learn a lot about, you know, how we experienced that and how to move forward, you know? And so that's just, you know, one of the examples of, of herpes and the separation. And it happens with the mouth too, right? I want this kiss. I don't want this kiss. I remember in high school it was, don't drink off anybody's bottle, right? Because if you drink off, oh, you know, that girl, she has, you know, mouth herpes, or she'll get these, you know, big outbreaks on her lips. And so you don't want to catch the germ from her because once you have it, you have it for life. And these things have been so well embedded. We just think they're the truth rather than understanding that, you know, she probably, she maybe got an unwanted kiss from, you know, her uncle that was really, you know, smelled like cigarettes and she was really disgusted by him and, oh, don't touch my, you know? And so that could have been the reason that she developed herpes on her mouth, you know, these sores that would come on her mouth because of an unwanted touch there. And now she is marked as, oh, that girl has, you know, this gross mouth thing. So don't drink off of her drink. And so again, it just kind of puts all of these little ideas into the mind about what, what's the problem, the little bugs, the problem rather than the experience of the entirety of the individual. [Speaker 2] (26:39 - 27:53) Yeah. Consciousness gets left at the door. So often, I think that's what I love so much about GNM and it's like a holistic approach to understanding. It also makes you think of too, just like how substances, alcohol and other substances, like just create even more like fertile soil for these types of conflicts. Cause like even just the, that, that phrase, like the walk of shame, you know, it's like you have a one night stand or whatever, you're drunk. And then it's like seven in the morning and you're just rolling out of, out of bed, hung over, like walking back home or driving back home or whatever. And like what goes on in your conscious, I can't believe I did that, you know? So it's just such a different fucking paradigm of understanding this. Okay. So we touched upon HIV. Oh, real quickly to with HIV AIDS, like the diagnosis shock too. And the impact that that has because, you know, we've been fed so much fear around this and let's say someone does their yearly checkup and then maybe they've gone through some kind of adaptation or something and then they take a fucking Western blot or Lisa, whatever the test, Eliza, Lisa, I don't know how it's pronounced. And then they just test positive and like their doctor comes in and they're like, yeah, sorry, you tested positive for HIV. Like, what does that do to a person? [Speaker 1] (27:53 - 29:02) I mean, is that exactly? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. When we, you know, place this, you know, we cast a spell on someone. We say you have this really bad scary disease, you know, and then we say, oh, you know, lung, you know, AIDS affects the lungs as well. And it's like, no, the, the diagnosis caused the death bright shot, right? It caused a feeling soiled conflict. And now I've got these, you know, Melinda, because there's like a skin thing too. I think Kaposi, yeah, other adaptations. And it's like, think about the experience. Everything makes sense. When you are looking at the experience of the person, what they went through, what the shock when they were told that what happened, right? And so death, right? All sorts of other conflicts come as a result, you know, same thing happens with cancer. Same thing can happen even with herpes. Like it's like, oh, here, you've been diagnosed with something and now you have a self-devaluation right now. You're a sense of shame where before you're like, you know, weren't you weren't experiencing that until someone told you something bad is happening on your body. You have, you know, a disease, you have a diagnosis label and that's, you know, one of the worst things you can do to a person. [Speaker 2] (29:02 - 29:52) Yeah. I mean, I think about the early days of HIV AIDS and, you know, whatever late 70s, early 80s, you know, in the gay community, you know, like what conflicts were present there at that time? I mean, I mean today, obviously, like if you're gay, it's not a big deal, but like we're looking at the late 70s and early 80s, you know, like it wasn't, it was the the climate wasn't what it is today. And so on top of like all the sexual partners on top of all the drugs, like what impact does that have on the body, you know, and I think that's why like I get so angry that I think it was like Robert Gallo, like teamed up with Marga Margaret Heckler. She was the health and human services at the time. They just fucking just come on TV and they're just like, yeah, we found the cause of AIDS. Like no real science behind it, you know, not sending their data to to other scientists to check for it. And then everyone, you know, as it usually happens, the media runs with it, you know, the gay community jumps on board. [Speaker 3] (29:53 - 29:53) They go. [Speaker 2] (29:53 - 31:06) It's not our lifestyle and other things. It's it's it's this virus. It's getting us and then, you know, the rest is history. They find a couple poster trials, you know, Freddie Mercury, Magic Johnson. I mean those those images of Freddie Mercury towards the end. So skinny like that stuff's embedded in people's psyche. Like that definitely did a good good marketing job in like, you know, it makes you shut up. It makes most people shut up when they hear HIV and AIDS and things like that. And they didn't even have the live aid concert as well. Just amplifying all of that. yeah. On top of that. Yeah. Let me ask you this too, because you know, I know in the GNM model, there's like like heavy toxicity malnutrition, the physical industry industry that kind of falls outside the like the DHS model. Now in the case of AZT, obviously a lot of these people have the shocks and they have these biological programs running. But like a lot of people say that the AZT, you know, you know caused a lot of these deaths because it was such heavy toxicity was a failed cancer drug that a lot of people were like dying from liver failure due to toxicity. Like does that align at all? Or do you think that you think that there are other conflicts that are having more of an impact on why a person dies versus, you know, the the toxicity of a drug. [Speaker 1] (31:07 - 34:13) Oh totally could be a drug. I mean that is a poison and that is, you know, and always we look at both look at both. Okay. So the symptom is indicating potentially this type of biological program. But if you are putting some type of poison into your body that also, you know, that's like a mechanical disruption of the way the body functions. And so, you know, I wouldn't rule that out at all that this heavy intense medication supposedly to help was contributing to additional symptoms, you know, and the body, you know, when you're poisoning your body, your body is less capable of recovery, you know, it slows down your your healing capacity, right? Because you've got out, you've got a, you know, vital energy that the body is running all of your programs. It's digesting food. It's, you know, filtering out toxins and like, but if all of a sudden we're putting in way more poison, you know, like that vital energy is going to be depleted in your body as it's going through these adaptation and healing phases, you know, that is that's a heavy load. And so certainly that can be playing a role and that is yeah, crazy to to take these drugs and to so people who are already dealing with adaptations, right? And then you put something into the body and that's the thing all all drugs are poisons. All drugs are poisons and the reasons they appear to work, right? Is because they're poisoning the system. The body goes into sympathicotonia, right? That's the fight or flight, you know, you you exit the healing phase because our symptoms majority of symptoms occur when we are in the healing phase. Remember second biological law. We have the law of two phases. We have the conflict active phase. This is when we are actively in the conflict vasoconstriction cold hands. This is when the tissues are actively adapting and then we chill. We relax. We resolve the conflict. We move into the healing phase the vagotonia. That's the vasodilation the relaxation the swelling the inflammation fatigue, right? That's when the healing comes. That's when most of your symptoms happen. That's when you're like, I'm sick or I have inflammation here. Oh, that's painful or something's, you know, red and inflamed and itchy. That's the healing phase. But then you take a drug, right? You take an antiviral or we take, you know, some type of chemical and the body shifts because now it's being poisoned right now. It has to go back into fight or flight. It has to go back into the sympathicotonic phase. And so it's like but then you're like, oh, what a release this drug really helps me. This drug has gotten rid of my symptoms and it's like, well, the reason it did that is because it took you out of the healing and repair phase and it constricted your blood vessels and put you back in to the sympathetic phase. And so that's how people get stuck in a trap of taking drugs for things and steroids and you, you know, you name it for suppression of symptoms because I can't deal with these symptoms and I want to get rid of them. And so, you know, I take the medication, but it's it's a poison, you know, everything that you put into your body. It's either nourishing and supporting your body or it's a poison that your body has to do is, you know, work to get it out of the system. And so, you know, we want to be nourishing and supporting our body and minimizing the, you know, the inflow of any type of poison, let alone a pill that's like this is what it's designed for. [Speaker 2] (34:14 - 34:33) Do you think that herbs and other like supplements can have a similar impact? Like it's really important to know whether or not, you know, a certain Chinese herb is going to like put you into a sympathetic state or support the body and its healing process. Obviously, probably not as extreme as pharmaceuticals, but I'm curious your thoughts on that. [Speaker 1] (34:34 - 35:35) A lot of people use herbs to kind of manage the symptoms of the healing phase and to mitigate kind of make themselves more comfortable. And so, certainly herbs do have, you know, other vagatonic or sympathetic tonic effects. And so, it is, you know, it would be helpful to to know what am I using and why am I using it? You know, that doesn't mean don't use it. It means, oh, sit with consciousness. It's like, oh, I realize, you know, sometimes people will take, you know, even just mild painkillers or caffeine during the healing phase simply to just kind of take the edge off, you know, to make less intense. And you know that as you lower the intensity of it, you're going to elongate the duration of it. But that's, you know, that's a very fine trade-off to make. And a lot of people will choose to do that for more comfort or more ability to kind of navigate your day. And so, yeah, using herbs and supplements and natural things to kind of accomplish a similar effect, but it isn't going to be as intense as like, you know, something that's distilled in a laboratory and, you know, it's not going to be as potent. [Speaker 2] (35:35 - 36:00) Yeah. Do you find too, like if someone goes through a really intense healing phase, like, like if they were to white knuckle it and maybe not take herbs or an aspirin or caffeine or whatever that like that can create like another conflict because they're dealing with such intense pain and that like their pain can cause them to like think about themselves in a certain way. Like have you noticed that at all or all depends on the individual. [Speaker 1] (36:00 - 38:04) Sometimes people if they just that they know, you know, like, ah, like it like pain and suffering are different things. Like pain is a physical sensation. Suffering is the this is bad. That's resistance. You're in resistance of what is currently happening. And so, you know, if you can be in physical discomfort have these sensations of pain and inflammation that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be in a state of agony and suffering. They're like, this is really uncomfortable. These are very intense sensations. But and so it's all depends on the person a person who you can fool yourself to you can think I'm strong I can do this and you're actually really super miserable and you're having a really hard time and you know, you're conflicted about all the pain and there's, you know, background fears. I would, you know, do my best to just kind of be real with myself and honest and say, okay and and notice again, you discover so much about yourself when you are in these situations. I am committed to the model of GNM or holistic healing. And so you you have an identity, right? So like my identity is I'm all holistic. I don't do any, you know, I don't I don't take any medication. I don't do any surgeries, but sometimes taking the medication or doing a surgery is the thing that's gonna, you know, is help support you the best. And so but if you're too married to your identity to do that and that can become really problematic and I've seen people kind of, you know, be so married to it and want so badly to do it all natural and do it all holistically that they overlook things that could really be beneficial to them or actually the way through this at this point given the amount of adaptation may be the surgical route. And so I really encourage people to notice what disturbs me about the potential of this intervention, right? Is it I don't think it's going to help me or do I think it's going to jeopardize, you know, my badge in the holistic, you know, natural healers club, you know, and if that's the case, you know, you need to, you know, come face to face with this identity that you're, you know, clinging to and why is this so important to you? [Speaker 2] (38:04 - 39:16) I have a personal recent experience around this. So recently we moved States within Mexico and like generally speaking growing up in Australia, like I experienced like heavy classical quote-unquote hayfever symptoms, right? When I was living in the Caribbean, there was nothing of the sort. Now we moved here Central Mexico. We have like a lawn was surrounded by nature, etc. My first three weeks here were like constant insane burning eyes, constant sneezing. Like it was, it was horrendous. It was very, very, very difficult to deal with. And then about 10 days ago, we had our eldest daughter's birthday. Lots of people coming over. I was like, I'm not, I'm not doing this. I went and bought some antihistamines. I think was claritine and I had one and like it was so much relief, like zero symptoms after three weeks, just intense symptoms. Like this is freaking amazing. And since then, I haven't had another one and my symptoms are not present. It's probably reduced by 90% total. I'm nowhere near sneezing as much. Nowhere near have burned burning eyes in the same kind of way. That's why I just took the thing and that's that seems to have somehow helped resolve it on a deeper level as well since then. [Speaker 1] (39:17 - 39:34) Fascinating. That's for you know, and yeah, because once you get into a cycle of sneezing and watery eye, I mean a person can be annoyed that these symptoms haven't gone away, you know, you could kind of be in a vicious cycle and then sometimes taking a little something to, you know, to break that pattern, to break that loop. It sounds like you broke out of it. [Speaker 2] (39:34 - 40:31) I was because like just so intense and every day I was like, what's what's the conflict? Like what happened on grass, you know, what etc, etc, etc, etc. And like, you know, it is kept bothering me so intensely and then yeah, since the relief of the symptom is like whatever happened the seems to have had a more lasting effect. Yeah. I can't believe this is the first I'm hearing that you took a pharmaceutical. Yeah, my opinion of you has completely changed. I have to question our business partnership actually. Yeah, but I was supplied by someone very close to you. Okay, so let's get back to quote-unquote STDs. So gonorrhea and chlamydia are two other ones that are I would say popular popular, but you know, you know what? I mean more more ubiquitous in the world. So can you explain those two symptoms or collection of symptoms from a GNM standpoint? [Speaker 1] (40:31 - 43:05) Yeah, so you have some intimacy with someone and then in the next couple of days, you're like having burning urination and funky discharge, you know, and then you go and have it tested and they say, oh, it's chlamydia or it's gonorrhea and all these bacterial infections are indicating is that in the intimate contact there was an intense territory marking conflict of a sexual nature, right? So related to marking the territory. So if you are a man or a woman and how you perceive that the woman is for inner territory, the man sees the woman as his territory and if there was conflict around it, right? Like what is there a little bit of, you know, catch me if you can and was there a little bit of like playing hard to get or like am I going to be able to mark this territory? Is she going to come home with me? Are we going to you know, are we is am I going to seal the deal? You know, like there was some type of conflict around that. And so the more intense the adaptation of the urethra. So there's a widening of the urethra and if it's a particularly intense conflict, it can get even into the connective tissue beyond the squamous epithelium. And that's where the bacteria get involved because in the red group, the squamous epithelium, there is no bacteria involved, but in the deeper layers of tissue the bacteria come anytime there's bacteria. Bacteria, remember the fourth biological law, the bacteria are helpers. They are micro surgeons. They are there doing a job. So anywhere on the body, there's a funky odor, a funky discharge. And you know, if you get tested and they say, aha, there's a bacteria. This is the cause of your problem. The bacteria is not the cause of the problem. Bacteria is the cleanup crew that comes in after the adaptation. It's coming in helping to repair the tissue that was adapted during the intense territory marking conflict. And so when you can identify and understand, you know, why did this happen? What was the experience? Why did I feel, you know, violated in my territory? Or why, you know, did I really desperately want to mark my territory or feel like there was some type of, you know, I felt intruded, right? If you didn't like something that happened in the encounter and you're like, that was, you know, you kind of crossed my boundaries there, right? That's a, that's a territory thing. Having a boundary crossed during sex and not liking something that happened can cause the adaptation in, in those deeper layers in the urethra. And so that's what causes the gonorrhea or the chlamydia. Those are just little bacterial helpers that happen to assist in the genital region. [Speaker 2] (43:06 - 43:11) How does it differ from a UTI that deals with like territory marking conflicts? [Speaker 1] (43:12 - 43:39) It's the same conflict. It just depends on the intensity of it. And there's a sexual flavor to the gonorrhea chlamydia one. So, you know, the the territory marking can be about your neighbor putting their, you know, trash can in your driveway, right? Like I need to mark my territory. It could be about something, but it's not a sexual, there's no sexual theme with the neighbor or the person at work, you know, like, but with gonorrhea chlamydia, there's a sexual theme, right? There's something about intimate contact. [Speaker 2] (43:40 - 43:49) What are the, like, from a conventional model standpoint, what are the differences between like gonorrhea and chlamydia? [Speaker 1] (43:50 - 44:40) They're just, they're just different bacteria. And even when you look it up, I mean, there's just the, when you look up the symptoms, they say, oh, you know, it's it's discharge and discomfort during, there's not, there's not much difference from what I can tell from what there's really, it's just different helpers. And, and I would imagine that, you know, that there's a different flavor, right? To the experience. I don't think that Dr. Homer, to my knowledge, defined like these are the, this is the specific flavor of the chlamydia adaptation. This is the one for the gonorrhea, but that's how just in my observation, that's how it works is that there's a specific flavor dynamic that is present vibration in that particular sexual territory, marking shock that differs. And that's why the different bacteria come in to help. [Speaker 2] (44:40 - 44:55) Yeah. Can you, I know we're like delivering information on a lot of this stuff, but can you share any like case studies on some of this stuff, whether it's herpes or even gonorrhea, chlamydia of any people, maybe that you've worked with that, like might highlight this and people can relate to. [Speaker 1] (44:56 - 47:40) Well, yeah, there was, um, you know, a young woman. And this is, this is interesting too, like in a dynamic where there's multiple people involved. She was involved in a threepole kind of situation where like, she was kind of this third party that would come into the dynamic and there, there was a, you know, an energetic mismatch and with, you know, between her and one of the partners that created, she was having this ongoing, um, I think they call it bacterial vaginosis, you know? And so this is, again, it's a, it's a sexual related, you know, about, you know, my, my boundaries. Am I feeling respected? Am I feeling, you know, like a part of this partnership? And so this was an ongoing conflict, you know, and you know, what, what does she have to do? She had to figure out what's this dynamic, right? And either come to terms with it and be okay with the way things are or leave it, right? Because the symptom was ongoing, was recurring, you know, and she went the route of doing the, um, antibiotics and trying to, you know, get rid of it that way and change the diet and all of these things to try to assist. But it's like, you can do all of that. You can take the antibiotics. You can change your diet. You can do all of these things. But if you're going to continue in a relationship dynamic that you don't fully feel respected or you don't fully feel like this is working for you, you got to figure it out, right? We have to have conversations or we have to leave, you know? And, uh, you know, and she reported later on that, you know, her symptoms, uh, as she became like 80% okay with the situation, her symptoms got 80% better. But it's like, okay, well, there's still that 20%. What's going on with that? And so that's where, you know, we have, we, it's all the degree, the degree of the conflict determines the degree of the adaptation. And so if we are mostly resolved, but it's still kind of there, that means that the situation is still kind of there and it's always going to be a direct reflection. And so, you know, we have to do that work of like, okay, what's preventing this last 20%, right? Like, is this, does this mean I just have to leave the relationship? That this is no longer working for me. And so looking at that, figuring that out for yourself and then making the change, that's going to be the thing that solves it. And so, you know, looking at your relationship, how you feel about it, those moments when you're like at your worst, like this is always a good, just kind of clue in general, like what's when you're most upset about the situation and most unhappy about it, what are you saying to yourself? Right? That is where, you know, you'll see the conflict in, in clear view, right? When it's because, you know, we can kind of cover it up and we can say, oh, well, it's not that bad and we can, you know, excuse certain things away. But in those moments where you're most frustrated about what's going on, look there, because that's going to give you clues about what's going on with the, with the dynamic. That's not working for you. [Speaker 2] (47:42 - 48:19) Yeah. The other, you want to, you want to say something? Because I want to, I want to, okay. Yeah. The other thing too, and you may have touched on this a little bit, but for so many people, like they have parts of them that are kind of dry, you know, driving the wheel of their psyche and like, oh no, I'm totally cool with this. I'm totally fine. You know, so on a, from a conscious level, they convince themselves, like you said, rationalize though. This is totally fine. But like, there's so, there's so much happening at this like subconscious level. They're just not aware of. So like they're, they can be confused on why they're having symptoms from a conscious standpoint, but they have to mine even deeper to really get like real with themselves on how this is impacting them. [Speaker 1] (48:20 - 48:50) So like, yeah, yeah. You can think this is, yeah, I'm cool with this dynamic. This is fine. Or like, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm a chill person, like people in polyamorous relationships. Actually, I had years ago worked with someone who was kind of in a polyamorous dynamic and that created, you know, there was the, I'm okay with this. I'm okay with this. But the symptoms were saying, otherwise, those were saying, yeah, you're my territory and I am not comfortable with this dynamic. [Speaker 2] (48:51 - 49:25) Yeah. If you're not okay with it, you're not spiritual enough. You're not cool enough, you know, so I can't show that. Anyways. Yeah. One thought came to mind. We talk about FCDs and the relationship between, I guess, unwanted contact. Like I'm sure no woman really loves visiting a gynecologist, right? And like even just general like cervical screenings. I'm just wondering like how this can create a cycle as well. Then we have this whole HPV, which has no symptoms, but like somehow everyone is going to get at some point, right? And then the vaccine around that. [Speaker 1] (49:26 - 50:12) Yeah, I mean, yeah, and it all depends on the woman and her experience and how, yeah, but certainly any kind of, I mean, there's this story. There's this podcast, Steven, I listened to is so crazy. It's about this gynecologist who was this like well-respected. I think he was went to Columbia. And so he was just as well-renowned, whatever gynecologist, but he was like licking women and touching them in inappropriate ways. And also in the in these women are like did that just happen? And I'm like, what was that sensation? I just felt and it's just wild to think and I'm sure after the fact that these women are we're having conflicts and outbreaks and who knows what but yeah, that's the malpractice in the industry. It certainly could be something that could cause a conflict. [Speaker 2] (50:12 - 50:43) But yeah, it would be really interesting. You know, the whole scandal that happened with Larry Nassar who was the sports physician for the US gymnastics. Like if these gymnasts like were interviewed to, you know, to find out like were they dealing with any kind of, you know, STIs STDs, you know, and how that obviously relates to everything we're talking about right now. I'm not sure if any of them have come out to say, hey, they've had certain, you know, they were dealing with this or not, but it just made me think of that because it was such a popular story in the mainstream news for so long. [Speaker 1] (50:44 - 53:40) Yeah. Yeah, and when it comes to like, you know, the story of a woman who you know, neither of the partner she was with either the current one or the previous one. Nobody had the STD. No one else had it, but she did and it was like because she regretted the experience with one of the people, you know, but if that person didn't regret the experience with you, you know, and so that's where how is it if these things are truly contagious you would think that everybody would be expressing it and they'll say oh some people's immune systems are stronger and that's where we do have to look at the idea of the immune system. You know the this concept again, it all stems from this idea of bad germs bad microbes that cause problems in the body mounts a defense against it. And this is not how biology works. There isn't a war between good and evil at the micro level. There's simply cleanup crews that are making sure that the tissues are restored following an experience and it's the person didn't have that same experience. It's not that they got exposed to the germ but their body was able to mount a defense. You know, that's the idea that we have about it. But when you look one person had the experience the other one didn't one this person was fine with it. This person really regretted it. And so despite having had the contact the one that expresses the symptoms had had the conflict the one who doesn't express the symptoms did not have the conflict and that's where you know, all contagion conversations. We have to look at what's the shared experience, you know, so some people still get really fixated on well, they had a cold I was near them and then I got the cold. Right? And so what was your experience of being around that person? Right? I mean it is to be in close contact with someone even to be caring for someone, you know, there was a you know experiences I've had with Steve or he's expressing symptoms as I'm caring for him, right? And it's like oh and I'm I start to express the symptoms because they're in something going on with me when I when you're caring and tending to someone who has symptoms, right? And there's ideas that are lodged deep back in the psyche about contagion about sickness. And so we do have to observe because a lot of people will find this as a sticking point. They're like, but I was around them and I got sick and I don't think I had a conflict but that's a been not thinking there's like the deep underneath is like the iceberg, right? Like on top of it like, oh, there's only I didn't have a conflict up here. It's like, okay. We didn't have a con but did you have a conflict down here right in the in the place of the psyche that you can't see that you are not fully aware of and you know, that's why we want to bring more of those pieces of the psyche into our awareness so we can understand when there's a part that is, you know, a little hesitant to be around someone who's expressing symptoms because you know, you have history in the past of getting around someone in developing symptoms. And so it's so that belief system can be so deeply ingrained even if the conscious 10% you know, it's like no, absolutely. I don't believe in contagion. [Speaker 2] (53:41 - 54:28) Yeah, I remember when I was first going down the kind of HIV AIDS rabbit hole, but not from a GNM standpoint, but just you know, reading about you know, different stories and there was an activist at the time and I think she had tested positive for HIV and she would talk about how she was continuing to have unprotected sex with her husband and her husband never tested positive, you know, so it's like this big scary thing and yet he was quote unquote fine. Yeah. My other question is based on the immune system. You think like the the theory of the immune system the way it's described from a more conventional standpoint is there to kind of just like fill in the gaps for like the falsities of the germ theory model, you know, like to kind of propagate it up and be like, okay, well since you know, well, you should have gotten it but you didn't you must have a healthy healthy immune system. [Speaker 1] (54:29 - 56:33) I mean, they just have to have an explanation and when you look at you know, microbes under a microscope and you see the phagocytes like like surrounding something. It's like, oh, it seems like it's it's eating it like it's attacking it right when you but when you but you have to be looking at it from that combative point of view when you see it as a cleanup crew, right again does the trash collector are they attacking your garbage when they pick it up at the no, they're not attacking it. They are collecting it and they're removing it to a different location because it doesn't belong. It's like that's what the body is actually doing. It's not a combative, you know, oh, I've got to defend it's not it's not war base. It's simply it's a support system. It's an infrastructure biological infrastructure that the bacteria do a job. They serve a purpose rather than but as soon as you think in terms of good and evil and this is bad because it's bad to be tired and inflamed. Oh, it's bad to cough because it feels it doesn't feel good. We think because it doesn't feel good. We equate that with that means it's bad and wrong and it shouldn't be happening and then you know, and so really I mean it can be quite innocent with you know, may not be quite and totally innocent but you know, when you just think about this is uncomfortable. This is an uncomfortable symptom and we zoom in we have these things we invented called microscopes and we see little things moving around and we say aha this this is what's caused my problem. It's kind of you know, kind of makes sense that a person could come to that conclusion. But when you zoom out and you see that, you know, we can't consistently get it. You know person can't doesn't get sick every time they're exposed to this. That's really weird. You know people drinking vials of bacteria trying to kill themselves and nothing happens and it's like, okay. Well, how how is it that it doesn't it's not consistent because it's not based on biological law. The biological law says bacteria are there to help and they're doing a job and so the you know, so the immune system idea makes sense. It's you just it's about context, right? If you zoom in and you're like, Oh, this is the story but you're missing the whole the rest of the biological context. You could see how a person could inadvertently come to that conclusion. [Speaker 2] (56:34 - 56:43) For example, to bring in like the discussion we're having earlier around drugs and poisoning like when we say poisoning is weakening the system like are we kind of saying the same thing though? [Speaker 1] (56:45 - 56:46) Saying what same thing? [Speaker 2] (56:46 - 56:57) Like say you take AZT and AZT is like causing poison and wreaking havoc within a system. Like what's what do we what do we saying? It's kind of like a similar paradigm, right? [Speaker 1] (56:58 - 57:28) Well, that's something that doesn't belong. So it's like a mechanical thing. So something that comes bacteria belong there. They come from inside. So the body like generates its own bacteria. The pleomorphic sit like the the bio it comes from within and so it's the difference between something that's exogenous back or like chemicals coming from outside getting in the body. That's like a mechanical thing versus a bacteria that is endogenous. It's originated inside of the body and doing a job and a function. You know what I mean? So it's it's the outside in versus the inside out. [Speaker 2] (57:28 - 57:52) Yeah. Yeah, but I mean separate from the bacteria discussion. Like wouldn't we say that like say taking a drug that poisons the body would weaken the body's ability to do its job or to like for the people that were taking the AZT drugs. Would they be less likely to overcome their conflicts? [Speaker 1] (57:54 - 58:39) Would they be less likely to overcome their conflict because of the poison? I mean, I mean that more in the fact that like the body is is just doing a lot more right if you've got a certain amount of energy in a system and you start plugging a bunch of things in and so the body has to you know, Jen, so, you know, would that deplete the the psyche of the person's ability to resolve the conflict? Maybe maybe not. I mean the person's psyche you could have resolve a conflict even if you're, you know depleted because you're taking a bunch of drugs. And so it's not I don't think that that in and of itself would but it could you know what I mean? Like everything you're doing is affecting your psyche, you know, taking a drug is affecting your psyche and how you are perceiving your experience is affecting it. But I wouldn't say that that's like guaranteed. [Speaker 2] (58:39 - 58:52) If there's poison if there's definitely poisoning taking place beyond beyond the psychological aspect of it. If there's definitely poisoning taking place via whatever mechanism would it be weakening the body's ability to resolve? [Speaker 1] (58:53 - 59:16) Weaken your ability to resolve. I mean, no, once once if the conflict if it's something as soon as it can't happen again, it's resolved, you know what I mean? And so if you change the situation and a thing that was happening before can't happen again because that neighbor moved away or your mother-in-law died. It's like that conflict regardless of what's going on with your poisoning and you know, what kind of substances are in your body. Once the conflict is over. It's over. [Speaker 2] (59:17 - 1:00:05) Yeah, and also to from an immune system standpoint like sure maybe like the immune system could have a role in if you're being poisoned, but there are other systems that are at place when you're taking an exogenous when an exogenous poison is coming into your body. Whereas the so-called immune system the way we look at it from a conventional standpoint. They're dealing with things like when we talk about bacteria viruses and parasites, they're dealing with that more in that case, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think it's such a such a vague term immune system, but like I would I think it's fair to say that there's definitely some bodies that would show more resilience and would operate more efficiently than other bodies. So like how do you label that? How do you talk about that more vital more robust like holistic body systems? [Speaker 3] (1:00:05 - 1:00:05) I don't know. [Speaker 2] (1:00:05 - 1:00:47) I feel like that's just what yeah. I know. I feel like that's just what people are saying when they say I've got a strong immune system. Like I'm more vital. Yeah, well because in G and M they look at the immune system as a support system. So it's not like you said, it's not this war thing and I think I've heard like the bagels and brothers label it something else that kind of relates to it being a support system. So yeah, it's just a different way of looking at things. Yeah. Okay. We talked about HIV AIDS. We talked about herpes. We talked about gonorrhea and chlamydia again. I'm using the terms that are like the conventional system gives you know other popular things. Yeah syphilis and then like warts and stuff because I think people deal with like general warts and other things like that. [Speaker 1] (1:00:47 - 1:02:21) They might want to get some clarity on that genital warts and like HPV. So the warts is a separation conflict again. So it just again depends on how the psyche perceive the contact. And so it's a a wart is a hanging healing. So you're degrading tissue building it back up degrading tissue building it back up, you know, and so each time you do that the wart thickens thickens thickens and so that means that there was contact there that you wanted to separate from and that there's a track related to it. That's keeping it alive, you know, and so they say that though this is called caused by the human papilloma virus, which can also cause cervical cancer. And so cervical cancer isn't about HPV is not about a virus. It's not about genital warts. It's about a sexual frustration conflict and a sexual frustration conflict is not knowing not being mated. It's about mating. It's about not knowing who the father of my children is going to be. It's about insecurity related to the man in your life the the person that you're intending you want to procreate with but there is questions about and so that's the thing that leads to the adaptation of the cervix. And so that's where you know, they convince a woman. Oh, you need this injection. You need this vaccine in order to prevent this virus from causing, you know, cancer in your cervix when it's they're just completely unrelated. The injection isn't cannot prevent you from having a sexual mating conflict with your partner. It can prevent you from having a separation conflict with you know, someone that you've had intimate contact with and so that part just doesn't make any sense. [Speaker 2] (1:02:21 - 1:02:31) And then with syphilis, what are the symptoms for syphilis real quickly aren't there less rates lower rates of cervical cancer in countries with arranged marriages? [Speaker 1] (1:02:32 - 1:02:55) Yes, and that you know, when you look at not knowing who the father of my children is going to be isn't a concern for someone who has an arranged marriage and knows you're going to marry this guy. This is the one that your parents chose for you. And therefore you will always be with this person that is going to minimize the chance of you experiencing some type of sexual frustration uncertainty regarding the man in your life. And so that is makes a lot of sense. [Speaker 2] (1:02:57 - 1:03:11) Okay syphilis. Let me look up the symptoms of syphilis because yeah, I just sense something skin rashes mucous membrane lesions in the secondary stage and potentially severe damage to the heart brain and other organs in late stage. [Speaker 1] (1:03:12 - 1:04:13) Okay, so we have a separation conflict. Once again. This is like all basically most every of the different variations of things that break out on the genitals. It's a separation conflict, you know, so we had a separation conflict and then if there are additional organs involved like the heart, you know is an overwhelming here. We've got swollen lymph glands self-devaluation conflict sore throat can't swallow conflict hair loss separation conflict weight loss any active conflict can cause weight loss muscle aches self-devaluation conflict fatigue feeling very tired. That's going to happen during the healing phase. And so, you know the actually there was a little rhyme. I remember from back in chiropractic school about syphilis. I think it was can't pee can't see can't dance with me because what it was and so I think that there was something having to do with the urinary tract. So there we have a territory marking something with the visual system. Yeah, I think it says oh it can spread to the ocular ocular syphilis blindness. [Speaker 2] (1:04:14 - 1:04:16) I feel like I remember hearing that syphilis may cause blindness. [Speaker 1] (1:04:17 - 1:06:06) Okay. So someone kid is having visual issues. We have to look at a visual separation conflict of fear from behind conflict. Yeah, something having to do with the structures of the eyes and then yeah, the joints. I think there's joint that's the can't dance with me is the joint issue. So self-devaluation. So there's some combination of experiences, you know, a trifecta of experiences that leads to the presentation of this diagnosis label, you know, and that's why we just always have to take it tissue by tissue. Anytime a person someone messaged me the other day and asked about this or that autumn autosomal recessive like abbreviation of this thing and I'm like, what are the symptoms and they're like eczema and like rashes. It's like, okay, all of that gobbledygook is indicating this child is experiencing a separation conflict, you know, and and the person though and this is the unfortunate thing if a child is in the position where their parent has received your child has, you know, autosomal recessive immune. It was I think it was something like an immune genetic problem deficiency, you know, and it's like no, no, no that that is that is scary one like that makes it seem like it's this big scary serious that where they can zoom down and look at the genes and say you have this scary genetic condition. This young child has experienced a separation conflict when and I think it started at five months. It's like, okay. Well, what happened at five months? Did mom go back to work? Did mom go on a trip? Where did mom go? Because for a five-month-old the whole world for that baby is mom and if she's separated from baby for any length of time, this can create a separation conflict and the solution, you know, it's not going to be some complicated gene therapy or some type of you know, bizarre treatment. It's be with mom. [Speaker 2] (1:06:07 - 1:06:55) What's up everyone a little bit of a technical difficulty Joel losses power. So we're just going to continue on and if he jumps on he jumps on but I was just about to say in relationship to what came before this. So is it any wonder that so many children, you know, young children babies, you know, three four or five six years old deal with skin issues, you know, because you think of like, you know, and for a lot of reasons, I don't want to sit here and knock parents and mothers like, you know, depending on you know, their personal situation, but like if you're leaving to go to work so early like after having a baby if you're putting your kids into daycare things like that are obviously going to impact the psyche on the child, even though it's probably not super conscious for a baby. It's just happening at like an organismic level. Would you agree? [Speaker 1] (1:06:56 - 1:07:33) Oh, totally. I mean, it's just non-biological and modern life. We just don't even think about it. We're like, oh, this is normal this, you know, they should be fine. Like we think they should just be fine because they're with you know, a loving daycare person or a you know, even a family member but the thing is, is they don't smell like you like you smell like milk you smell like home and being with you is to survive and it's just primal, you know, and like you said, it's like it's Organismic basic most biological part of me is saying, oh my goodness, if I'm not with this person who smells like me who has my food then I am at an existential risk. [Speaker 2] (1:07:34 - 1:07:55) Yeah. All right a topic that obviously is something that people bring up often like birth control like from a GNM standpoint. Like how can that impact an individual, you know, like is it like like yeah, just I guess talk about birth control from your point of view. [Speaker 1] (1:07:56 - 1:11:01) Well, one of the you know from the biological standpoint this kind of goes back to the sexuality topic that we did a couple episodes ago, you know, the woman who is not interested in having you know, babies or is wanting to pause her her appropriative abilities is in a masculine state, right? Like there's a reason she's doing it and they're it's like it's not a feminine reason, right? It's like I need to go to school. I need to go to work. I need to fold off on this. And so, you know, and that it changes her body chemistry. It changes or her hormonal state. It changes who she's attracted to. So when a woman is on birth control, you know, when she's not going through a normal cycle and we're preventing it or faulting, you know going through, you know, changing the way that the body's ovulation occurs and preventing pregnancy from from happening that changes the person you're attracted to, right? You're in a masculine state. You're going to be attracted to a softer more feminine man just because we always have to have a balance in the relationship, you know, and so a woman who's on birth control, but that's even what they say. They're like even if you're on, you know, hormonal birth control or an IUD or something that still will prevent STDs. That's why they, you know, have to do condoms too in addition to it because we can't have any contact on the body. And so, you know, the birth control is, you know, it's non-biological, you know, because biology says have more babies, have more life and to halt nature's natural impulse to, you know, to have the pleasure of intercourse without the risk of, you know, pregnancy, you know, there's a trade-off somewhere else too, like in the psyche of the woman to pause the body in that way and just the way that that affects the way that she perceives reality, right? The woman who's on birth control, her perception of reality is shifted, right? Her chemistry is shifted until she comes off of it and it just is another indication of how far we've come from nature, from doing what makes sense and, you know, and there are, you know, there are situations where, you know, I know a woman who's had tons of difficulty. She's been on literally all the birth controls and has gotten pregnant like back to back to back for like multiple pregnancies and it's been very, very difficult for her to find something that actually works, you know, because again, nature is like here, just keep having babies every time, you know, the new cycle and if there's and I, you know, in nature, if a woman after she gives birth and she has no, she can't have any stress, right? If she's simply breastfeeding exclusively, she should be prevented from ovulating for two to three years. And so there should be a window where pregnancy can't happen again, but because modern women are so, you know, stressed when as soon as there is that stress, the psyche thinks, okay, there's room for a new pregnancy again. And so that's where, you know, the birth control topic is, is a tricky one, you know, and it makes sense, you know, for a woman who's not in the position to, you know, to raise a child. It's like, okay, what are we trading off though? There's always, you know, we do have to make those conscious choices, figure out what am I trading off? And what does this make sense for my life long-term? [Speaker 2] (1:11:02 - 1:11:57) Yeah, like for anyone listening, we get deep into this subject and other related subjects on our episode with Melissa, episode 123, called GNM, sexuality, identity, and biology. So check that out. Again, we got hours of conversations with Melissa talking about GNM related things. Okay, so after having all this conversation about different symptoms related to so-called STDs, like what's your advice to people around this? Like, let's say someone has been studying GNM. And has kind of embodied the system, but are still dealing with symptoms that would be diagnosed as STDs, and they're looking to find a partner, or they are sexually active. Like, what do you recommend? I mean, of course, everyone's an individual, they have to do their own thing, but like, what do you recommend is the best way to go about doing this and communicating to, let's say, a potential sexual partner? [Speaker 1] (1:11:58 - 1:14:54) Yeah, so this is, I've had this conversation with several people because they're like, okay, so, you know, now I understand it, but the track could still be there, right? Because sex in and of itself can be a track. And so there's like this question of, you know, if I get with a new partner and we're intimate, will I have an outbreak? Will I need to, you know, should I explain this to them on the front end? And my advice is the golden rule, right? Like, so if you understand that not everybody knows GNM, like it would be cool, ideally, let's have a, you know, GNM dating app so that people who understand the biological law can get together and we can live, you know, fearlessly from the contagion and germs. And so that would be ideal. Like, do we, do I want to share my intimate body parts with someone who, you know, and, you know, open up the door at least for appropriation with someone who doesn't know the map, who isn't on, you know, on the same page or in that same realm of understanding, you know, I think that varies from person to person, but ideally it's like, do you want to, you know, get intimate with someone who shares your values and sees the world in a similar way to you? Because again, if the child, if a child comes into this world through this, you know, intimate union, this moment of pleasure, how's that child going to be raised? Are we going to be, you know, inviting tons of conflict potential for, this one wants to vaccinate, this one wants to do a medical birth, this one wants to, you know, home birth and not vaccinate. And so are we opening up that door? So this is kind of a bigger, you know, philosophical, personal decision about like, who do I hook up with, right? Because, you know, your sexual choices reveal things about, you know, your psyche. It reveals things about you. And so, you know, maybe you need to come to terms with who am I choosing this? Am I in a constellation? Am I compulsively seeking, you know, multiple sexual partners? And so, yeah, when it comes to disclosure and telling a person, hey, I have this thing that's labeled it. I mean, it could be an interesting entry point for talking about GNM with this paramour that you have, that you are interested in this person. Maybe you should open up that conversation with them. But, you know, you don't want to, because that's one of the things that people say, oh, so if it's not a germ, if it's not, if you don't believe in contagion, so that just means people can go around spreading this or, you know, not telling people about it, and that's not cool, right? Like, so you would want to share with someone who has a, if someone you're with is have, has a standard conventional understanding of things, you don't want to say, oh, well, I didn't tell you because I don't believe that that's. Go on the front end, talk about it, tell them about it, share about it, you know, explain, you know, GNM to them. And if they're not on board with it, I would say that that's a pretty good, you know, litmus test for, should I be with this person or not? Like, maybe they're not cool with GNM. Maybe you're like, okay, next. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:14:54 - 1:17:18) Well, this is where discerning comes into play. It's like, sure, great. You have this knowledge now. Okay, cool. I could just go fuck everyone. But no, because the reality is you can still get pregnant, you know, or you can impregnate someone and that's a whole nother thing. And you know, I, I can't tell you the amount of times I've either read stories or had conversations with people where, you know, you know, ignorance to some degree when you don't know about these subjects or you haven't looked into vaccines and then it's like you get married and you have kids and then now you start looking into these subjects and going down these rabbit holes and unfortunately very often it causes splintering between partnerships and ending the relationships. Now, from some bigger picture, I'm not here to say that wasn't meant to happen for the lessons to be learned for individuals. But if you want to potentially lessen some suffering or the potential for suffering in your life, like get really clear on your values and be curious about learning about these kinds of things and then from that place, I feel like you could be more grounded to go. Hey, I know what I value, you know, who do I want to be giving my energy to who do I want to be engaging in a, in a, in a sexual act with or who do I want to partner with, you know, based on that. So, yeah, but I agree with you like just be real as fuck, you know, be open because again, it, you know, having an uncomfortable conversation. What does that do to your growth as well? Most people push things under the rug, you know, forget about the sex talk. Let's just talk about general difficult conversations. I just keep kicking the can down the road. They don't talk about things with their mom or their dad or their or their siblings, you know, or their friends or their co-workers or sometimes it's like let's have a difficult conversation and then more often than not, it's not as bad as you probably imagined it in your head to be. And then what does that do to you as an individual? You go, you know what? I stood up for myself. I was self-assertive. I built some self-esteem because you know, I I entered into something and I communicated something that like was difficult to communicate. So I always think that's the best route. Of course, timing is everything to some degree, but you know, move forward, be authentic, be real and then, you know, keep living your life. Is there anything else that you want to kind of touch upon on this subject? You know, we've covered a lot, but I know you've chatted about this a lot before, but is there something that we've missed that you really want to get people to to kind of understand? [Speaker 1] (1:17:19 - 1:19:52) Yeah. I mean, I would just really look at, you know, your story related. So if this is your thing, if you're like, yes, I've been, you know, diagnosed or have kind of lived with this sort of shameful thing, really looking at the source. What was the conflict? Can you identify it? Do you know your tracks? You know, you really, that's how we work it. You have it. How do you work the conflict? You identify it? When did it start? Who was it with? What was the dynamic? And how is this still present in my experience? And, you know, and how can I, what is it going to take for this conflict to be completely put to bed, right? A conflict is resolved when it can't happen again, you know, when I can laugh about it, when I'm so, you know, if I'm certain about my partner, I'm certain about who I am. I'm certain about who I'm with, right? And I'm not feeling this fear of separation or this desire to separate. I'm not in this wobble of, you know, looking, you know, I think something like the understanding your constellations, right? And understanding, oh, if I, you know, had this impulse to to be with someone and then I can't be or I choose to, you know, I cheated on my partner once and I'm worried if I'm going to do it again, you have to be honest with yourself. Look at these things, look at your tracks and then just notice, notice, notice, notice. Is this something that still strikes a chord for me, right? The conflict when it's resolved, it just takes on a completely different tone inside your psyche. It just doesn't hit in the same way. And if you can still have, you know, resistance or fear around the subject, actually know someone who had intimacy with someone who was vaccinated and was concerned about the fluids that come out of the body from a person who said, and there was, yeah, and there was a separation conflict from, from that. And so that became this ongoing situation. And so again, looking at the choice to, who am I uniting with? Who am I choosing to be intimate with beforehand? It's like, am I going to be okay with this? Is there going to be, is there a seed of a thought in my mind, you know, because people even felt that way, just being around a person who has been vaccinated and that they believe in, you know, spike proteins and shedding and all of that stuff. And it's like just being near them, let alone being intimate with them. There's all sorts of stories of, oh, this is, they're, they're going to be infertile. And then if you sleep with them and you're in all of these scary things, what are you believing? That's you have to pull out. What am I believing? What are the fears? What made this a problem for me? Right? That's always a question. You need to ask yourself when there's a conflict. What exactly made this a problem for me? [Speaker 2] (1:19:53 - 1:21:38) Yeah, I mean like control what you can control, like take a, you know, take responsibility for your thoughts, your psyche as much as you can. And I hear you like I got to think even in like before I knew all this knowledge and I've brought it up to you before, but let's say in my early days where I was, you know, I don't know a little bit more promiscuous. Like I didn't have a lot of noise around my sexuality. I actually had a belief system that I had like the immune system of Superman. Like that, that was like a belief that I had believing in the immune system in the way that the conventional model talks about it. And I was just like, I just didn't worry. I didn't worry about it at all. And I never had to deal with any kind of like potential symptom around that related to sexuality. I'm not telling everyone. Hey, go have a belief system that you have the immune system of Superman and go and have sex with everyone. But it's just interesting again, like the state of your mind, like how you view relationships, you know, like, you know, for an individual that maybe is dealing with a certain level of trauma and gets more into codependency and then you have sex with someone that person goes to you like, like there's so many factors that go into play. So it's like, hey, like get as healthy as you can, you know, build self-esteem, work on your shit and like, you know, move forward from there. I think you might have a better results in terms of how some of the stuff shows up in your life. But of course, you know, it's a process. But yeah, I don't think I have anything else to say. Actually one more thing before we go because I think it relates to this subject. We've talked about constellations before but I think like the Nympho and Casanova constellation are worthy of being talked about again, especially in relationship to, you know, symptoms from again quote-unquote STDs. [Speaker 1] (1:21:39 - 1:23:52) Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, I would say who's more at risk for, you know, the more sexual partners you have, the more potential we have for these types of conflicts. And again, that can be why the, you know, having a more, if you have these morals around having one partner for your whole life, it's like, well, that one partner for your whole life is going to minimize the chance of having these sexual types of conflicts, right? Because if you know who you're going to be with, just like with the cervical thing, it's like this is the person, I'm going to be with this one person and we're going to exclusively be in this container for our whole lives together. And that is, you know, that's safe, right? When there's a lot of people coming and going and there's, you know, this having multiple experiences with multiple people every time. It just kind of compounds, right? And it's interesting. I think like the woman stores like the DNA of every man she's ever been with, you know what I mean? Like there is an energetic imprint from every sexual encounter that you've ever had, right? And every previous one is going to color the experience of the next one. And so the more, so if you have this for the woman, the sexual conflict plus the territorial loss for the man, the territorial loss plus the sexual for the left-handed woman, double sexual, when you have these conflicts, you know, there is this compulsion, this compulsion to get into bed. You know, you want the man wants a conquest, you know, the woman wants to seduce. And so that we have these these dynamics of really compulsive sexual behavior that's going to lead to more partners, more potential for infidelity, right? And when the infidelity happens of a, you know, a Casanova is in a committed relationship with someone, but then, you know, he is interested in leaving the relationship or having an experience or, you know, and he is torn, right? We have that that torn energy of like, I shouldn't but I want to and I and I really shouldn't but I really want to and oops, I didn't and now how am I feeling about it, right? And is my energy split? And so that's going to increase the likelihood of having a sexual encounter that leads to some type of separation conflict, appropriation conflict, territory marking conflict that leads to adaptations. [Speaker 2] (1:23:52 - 1:24:12) Yeah, how does like, I feel like you hear this often, like, let's say a woman who like, you know, didn't have a good relationship with her dad or had an absent father tends to not always sometimes maybe go towards like wanting to find herself or be more intimate with a bunch of men. I know it's a general statement, but like, how does that relate with the constellations? [Speaker 1] (1:24:12 - 1:27:10) Oh, yeah. So that's her first, her first sexual frustration conflict is not again, remember it's about the man in your life and when a girl is a young girl before she's, you know, looking for another man in her life, her first man in her life is her father and it's that father. So what are daddy issues? Daddy issues is he was unreliable, right? He stepped out on my mom and he or he was abusive to my mom or he was irresponsible or I learned that I could not trust him as soon as the girl has that conflict with her. I can't trust my father. He's not providing and protecting for me as he should. That's the, that's going to be the first sexual conflict often is the first sexual conflict for the girls, you know, and so those daddy issues not getting attention from daddy, that means that I wasn't, you know, didn't feel safe, right? In my, in my home. I didn't feel my sexuality wasn't safe. It wasn't protected because that's what, you know, the father is supposed to provide and protect the territory for the family so that the children can grow up without, you know, fears within their territory, without conflicts within their territory. But if you know, if the big guy's gone, there is no protection for the territory, the female says, oh, my sexuality is not safe, right? And so she has her first sexual conflict. And so she, the right-handed girl becomes more masculine. She has to, to like, to protect herself, right? Because my sexuality is not safe. She becomes more masculine. And then when she has her, her second conflict was, which is the territorial loss conflict, then she's an info, right? And so that's where the, the trope of daddy issues is very real because it is a sexual conflict and then like a rejection territory loss conflict, which you're much more likely to experience once you already, you know, had problems in your territory, problems with your father. You get rejected by someone and boom, we're in the constellation and then you're looking for love and all the wrong places, right? You're trying to fill your cup with something that is a deficit in your upbringing, right? In the father, and that's where, you know, the tends to, so run, run in the family, right? It's not that it's genetic, but parents, so like if an info and a Casanova get together, right? Because they're compulsively wanting to have sex. And so they get together, they have children, but both of them, you know, have wandering eyes or at least one of the, you know, there's, there's potential for infidelity. And then as soon as there's infidelity in the relationship, the children, right? Lose their territory. The boy has a territory loss. The girl has a sexual conflict and then we raise a new generation of nimble Casanova, right? And it's not that it's a, you're destined to experience that you have choice, right? You have awareness. It's just a person who's not conscious of these patterns of these constellations is going to be, you know, your behavior is driven by your constellation, unless you are in the driver's seat and you have become aware of your tracks and your triggers and what causes you to go into certain states and, you know, open yourself up to the potential of of that. And so that's where it does become a legacy. If we don't do something different, you know, what's the like the male version? [Speaker 2] (1:27:10 - 1:27:20) You kind of went into the details of of like the female in terms of the primary and secondary conflict that create the the the nympho but for Casanova, what would that be? [Speaker 1] (1:27:20 - 1:28:15) So his is the territory loss and so his mother is his first territory. So once again, if his mother leaves if she is being abused if she is, you know, so the the mother if I lose my mother if I if you know, so parents getting divorce, we lose the territory, right? The home is no longer safe. Like as soon as the home is no longer stable and safe. The child can have a territory loss, you know, in the mail again, the male perceived it more in terms of like my mother. Is she okay? And if there's something not okay about your mother, right and you as the young boy are having a territory loss. So that's going to be your first conflict for the right-hander and then you'll have like a male the left-hander will have a second territory loss. The right-hander will have a sexual themed conflict. And so that's when you get into the man gets into the Casanova and those again their mirror image brain relays the territory on the masculine side the sexual conflict on the feminine side. [Speaker 2] (1:28:15 - 1:28:21) And so sexual conflict could be like being exposed to pornography like at an early age or something related to that potentially. [Speaker 1] (1:28:22 - 1:28:38) Yeah. Yeah. So sexual conflict can be a rejection, you know, so I want to have sex with you, but I'm rejected that's often what it is for the mail is a you know, unsuccessful, you know desire to be with someone same with the girl. She can have a territory loss when she is rejected. [Speaker 2] (1:28:39 - 1:28:55) Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, but I just want to reiterate to like we're talking about this. It doesn't mean it's automatically going to happen if you've had this experience, but there's a potential for it to happen. I don't want to say like everyone that like their mother left is going to be dealing with this because does it depend on how their psyche kind of perceives it? [Speaker 1] (1:28:56 - 1:29:37) Yeah, I mean, it's extreme especially for a young child. It's like this is there's kind of a context for I mean to be hard for a child to not have a territory loss like if their family is broken up and so that's where like again divorce is like one of the big things that can be The first conflict for the child but not every child is going to perceive the situation in the same way, you know, certainly they could perceive it as a self-devaluation or you know, it's very unlikely that there would be no I don't know if this is ever, you know, this is theoretical the idea that a child could experience, you know, their parents going through a divorce and not have any conflicts at all. I don't know if that doesn't seem very plausible to me, but I mean we have to do the brain scans to see for sure. [Speaker 2] (1:29:38 - 1:30:02) Cool. Well, I think I don't know. I think we covered so much in this chat and as always I'm really excited for our audience to get exposed to this material. I love you. You're amazing so much respect to you and what you've done over the years, you know to help bring more awareness to dr. Hammer's work. What would you like to leave our audience with you? I know you have a lot of exciting things happening in your world and different programs. So please share. [Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:31:52) Yeah. Yeah. Thank you again for having me. I love being on I love sharing it. I love just people having a new opportunity to learn the laws to have the conversations to you know to really dig into the the biological laws and how they apply to all the areas of life. I am I have a new courses launching one that just we we sold it out. It's a biological woman. And so this is all about the biological conflicts that affect women. And so tonight we will be talking about, you know, the the brain levels and the you know, the estrogen and testosterone and the conflicts and so that will open up again in February. And then I have another course called Anna mirror, which is all about applying GHK with animals and then also looking at the aspect of like why is it what is this animal trying to show me right? Is this animal trying to teach me something? Is there some conflict that I'm not seeing that is being shown to me through my animal companion. And so that is super fun. That one you can so biological woman that one sold out and close but with the Anna mirror, you can join like if you just want to join for a Friday we're doing eight weeks of live Q&A classes. And so you're welcome to pop into that one. And and yeah, then awareness school. That's our big one. We are doing that in a few weeks. And so we would love to you know, see you if you have any questions about any of the programs and then just keep studying keep studying GNM keep looking up the chart keep you know, applying this knowledge in your life. And I know that you guys have a GNM study group and friends of the truth. It's like get around people who are having these conversations so that this is something that you're actively all I mean, it's just it becomes such a natural part of your life as it should be right. We should have all been raised with this this is your birthright to know how your tissues function. And so when stuff comes up look it up if stuff comes up with your kids or your animals or yourself always be looking for the the biological understanding. [Speaker 2] (1:31:52 - 1:32:49) Yeah, I think that's when it really lands for you when you take this knowledge and you really start applying it, you know, like I met you what now fuck was a four years ago. I think and when I first started getting into this like, you know, if I got a zit or if I had like diarrhea or it's I started being like, okay, what the fuck just happened and every single time it makes sense. I'm not sitting there go. Oh, maybe I food poisoning or you know, some some detox. I'm having like it was just very specific to you know, the the emotional psychological biological things that like kind of caught me off guard that I was dealing with so, you know, it's life-changing stuff. Anyone that can live life with less fear and more Harmony and more peace. You're going to see that manifest in your health in a positive way real quickly. You have a lot of programs going on. Is there like a single website that people can go to to find all this stuff or other links or other Dr. Melissa cell.com. [Speaker 1] (1:32:49 - 1:33:04) If you just click on my course link. I also you know, if you do want more on the STD stuff, I do have like a single class on STDs. And so if you're like I want even more about that you can check that one out. But yeah, just Dr. Melissa cell.com and click on the course link and you'll see all of the offerings. [Speaker 2] (1:33:05 - 1:34:57) All right, everyone. Thanks for listening. Hopefully you get a lot of value out of this and we'll see you next time. Take care. Man, those last 20 minutes of that episode were horrible. Joel's back. Joel's back. He's got power. Probably the worst 25 minutes in here for the truth history. Not because of Melissa at all. Just simply because of the lack of space holding and you know, direct tapping into our audiences collective questions that they have coming forth as they're listening to that conversation, you know, something that only a truly seasoned podcast that could really bring to the table. If I truly sees that he reads someone who's done the same exact episodes as me. Anyways, I lost power with about 20 minutes to go, but I'm sure it's all coherent enough. 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