Dr. Melissa Sell The First Betrayal of the Child

Joel 00:00:02.080 - 00:00:31.860 Doctor Melissa Sell is a teacher of Germany medicine and mind body awareness, guiding people to understand the biological meaning behind their symptoms and live with deeper self trust and inner peace. With her clear, compassionate and empowering approach, she helps bridge science and consciousness, revealing how true healing begins with awareness. This marks her eighth appearance on Here for the Truth, where she continues to illuminate the path of self responsibility and freedom through the wisdom of the five biological laws. Dr. Melissa Sell, welcome back. Melissa 00:00:32.580 - 00:00:41.220 Well, thank you so much. When you said eight, I was like, what? Whoa, that is, that's amazing. Thank you guys so much for having me on so many times. It's so delightful. Joel 00:00:41.300 - 00:01:02.000 No, it is. It is pretty incredible. And it's like pretty incredible to just witness since our first episode way back in 2021, how much this knowledge has been impacting people and going through the fray now so much more people are coming into the picture saying, oh, I'm studying Germany medicine, I'm studying GH Day. And like, the growth, the growth trajectory has been wild. Yeasimos 00:01:02.480 - 00:01:49.540 It has been wild. And also too, like, I'm really grateful that, like, as a, as a podcast that's not just focused on, you know, Dr. Hammer's work, I feel like, you know, we give a lot of attention to his work and it's been really cool to see people that first heard about G M and the five biological laws on this podcast in our first episode with you go on to study it and, you know, be, you know, leaders in their communities in their own right. And so it's. I feel proud of that and I'm so grateful to you. I'm so grateful that we connected. I know I say this all the time, but I just love that more and more people are living from this place of I don't need to be afraid of what the things that my body is doing and I could have more knowledge and I have more awareness and I can make choices that are going to lead me to health as opposed to the opposite. And so thank you for that. Melissa 00:01:49.860 - 00:05:07.440 Yeah, well, it is my joy and honor and pleasure to do so. And yes, I think that this. Yeah. Allowing this message to be spread on your platform has been such a catalyst for so many people just, you know, searching and find. It is. It's been super cool since 2020. I mean, it's just the people are ready and they have. And that's the thing is I really do think that the five Biological Laws, the German New medicine, Germana Shah Wakanda, it finds you when you're ready. And if I, you know, I was ready in 2017, that's when it found me and it said, hey, you know, and so since then, you know, when you find something and it makes sense and it's logical and it's clear and it's consistent and it's reliable and it happens again and again and again and you can observe it everywhere in nature, in your cow and your duck and your dog and your child and your friend and your grandma. It's, it's happening everywhere all of the time. So that it's, it's a self reinforcing. But it's so cool to have these conversations because I mean, we just, we need more, more, more more understanding and revelation of how this works. And my goodness. And it is, you know, there, there's, we are still too small a percentage of the people who understand this because, you know, this is kind of a couple of things I would love to talk about today, you know, on social media and people, you know, sharing their lives and sharing their stories. People are making full careers out of just being, you know, Instagram personalities, TikTok personalities and they, you know, talk about their relationship in their life and their family and their kids. And you know, that's a bit controversial. I think a lot of the children that are being kind of the props of people who are, you know, sharing their lives and you know, is that, is that good? Is that bad? Do we need to, you know, criticize it? Is there, you know, some, something to whether or not they should be sharing it, whatever. The interesting thing though is how they're raising their families, how they're parenting. And you get to observe how the people in the comments also are parenting and looking specifically at health, how do these people look at health? How do they look at, if their child has a symptom, what does it mean? What do they do? And they're very open about sharing because that's a lot of people's thing. I'm just open about sharing my whole life online on the Internet, what's going on with my kids and my family. And so there was, you know, this couple and you know, if you're on social media, you've probably come across their videos. They're, you know, they're clever, they're attractive couple and they, you know, make these clever videos that are very relatable about people in their lives and whatever. And so this couple, they had a baby, they had previously had a miscarriage which they, you know, very openly shared, you know, on, on their platform, which I'm sure is just, you know, what a vulnerable kind of situation. I know that obviously, Joel, and your family as well, kind of just sharing, like, what that's like to, you know, to have a pregnancy and a loss and to process that kind of out in the open. You know, this is kind of a new thing. I mean, it's very. And we. We have acknowledged this before, how cool it is that we meet online and. But it's also very unbiological, all of the, I guess, the exposure and the. Yeah, the connectivity. So on one hand, it's really cool and interesting, but on another hand, we kind of don't necessarily have a biological precedent for. For this level of connection and sharing. Yeasimos 00:05:08.000 - 00:05:21.680 Yeah. And for this. For, like, millions of strangers to, like, have an inside view of, like, every single thing that's happening in your life. And then with the comments. So you're taking all this information and judgments, like, it's just. It's all new. It's new territory. Melissa 00:05:22.240 - 00:05:22.720 Totally. Joel 00:05:22.720 - 00:05:23.000 Yeah. Melissa 00:05:23.000 - 00:10:08.150 So it's, you know, it's something interesting, I think, for people to navigate. And, you know, this isn't what I'm going to share. You know, it's not to. To judge people or to criticize them. It's simply to. To observe something that's going on in society. You know, that it's due to lack of awareness. It's due to, you know, the. The brainwashing, the mindset that the paradigm that people have been raised in obviously, is coloring what they're like, totally cool about sharing. Sharing online. And so this couple, you know, they. They have a podcast, and, you know, it's them talking, and so the wife is sharing about their. So they had had a previous loss. And then the whole Internet was so excited for this couple to have their baby. I mean, you know, because again, there, it was just so exciting, so wonderful. You know, everyone's just showering them with congratulations, and they had a baby girl. And so obviously they're, you know, over the moon. They're, you know, making content. They don't, like, put the. The baby in the videos. They do this funny thing where they have the husband, like, pretend he's a baby and put a bow on his head. And so it's cute, it's funny. But there's this episode of their podcast, and the wife is sharing, you know, in this clip about the little girl's first visit to the doctor. And so she's describing, oh, you know, it's her first checkup, you know, and she goes to the doctor and, you know, the lights are bright and it's cold, and they put her, you know, so basically the baby's naked, probably put on, you know, the table, put on the altar, if you will. And the, you know, the mom and the dad are just back there, and the doctor's doing his thing, and. And she is commenting about how the dad is reacting to the scene that's unfolding in the doctor's office. And she uses the example of the. The Arthur meme. There's this meme of Arthur where his, like, fist is clenched like this, and he's kind of, like, suppressing some rage, right? And so she's like, oh, yes. And you, you know, you're. You're just getting so upset. And like, in this conversation, like, the dad starts tearing up and he starts describing is like, oh, why am I. Why am I feeling this way as his baby daughter? And he says in the interview, he's like, I heard there was. She screamed like a cry that I had never heard from her before. So the baby's in this unusual situation that she's never been in before. You know, who knows? Exactly. I don't know what their birth was like, but, you know, this. She's been home, cuddly, snuggly home, with mom, with dad. And now we're in an office where it's cold, where the lights are bright, and where my body isn't here on mom, on dad. It's over there, and I'm naked. And, you know, there I'm being pro. Poked and prodded and stethoscope, cold stethoscope. You know, we're being examined. You know, being examined is a certain vibe. It's a. There's a certain feeling that there's a difference between being cuddled and snuggled and kissed and loved on and being examined. And she's being examined, and she knows it, and she is not happy about it. And so she's screaming to let the people who are responsible for her, to let them know I'm not okay. This is not. I am not okay with what is happening. And her dad, her daddy primally knows this is not right. And he even said, oh, you know, he's torturing her. That's his experience. And, you know, and it seems in. In the example, it's almost like it was. Oh, it's hyperbole to say that the doctor is torturing her. But it's like that's. This is this. Those are your words. This is your gut instinct. This is your primal reflex, and you are suppressing it. You're cleansing, clenching your fist, and you're sitting there and you know, they're just making light of the whole thing and she's laughing and oh, and, and the very last part of the clip he says, oh, and then they stick a thermometer in her ass, like in her rectum. And then, and then the thing cuts off and I was like. And everyone in the comments, and this is like this just takes it again. We get to see the social experiment. To see. Okay, interesting interview clip that they share in the podcast again, very open couple who just share all the things that's. Give it to Me straight, I think is their, the name of their podcast. It's like, like so, so this is their experience. And she's, you know, he's got tears in his eyes as he's describing, you know, this experience. And, and the wife's just hahaha. You were like, Arthur. And you know, and, and, and then the people in the comments are like, oh, he's such a good dad. He's such a prot. Oh, that's my protective father. I, you know, and oh, this is a green flag in a man. Protective, protective. And like all of these comments, I'm like, did you guys. Yeasimos 00:10:08.150 - 00:10:09.070 There's no protection there. Melissa 00:10:09.310 - 00:11:00.610 Did you miss the fact that there was no protection? That this man had a primal instinct, a knowing, a knowing that he did nothing about to so far as to allow the temperature to be taken through the rectum of his daughter, who from, you know, and again, I think even just the way that they, because I don't follow all of their stuff, I'm not like a avid listener, it's just, I just came across this, this clip, you know, so I don't know, it seemed as though this was just a quote, wellness checkup. So this is, these are, these are indoctrination rituals. And if you read the book, I mean, this is from the 70s. This is one of the first books I got back in the day when I was, it was in the lending library at the chiropractic office I worked in. It's called Confessions of a medical Heretic. You guys know that book by Robert S. Mendelson, MD. Oh, everyone. Yeasimos 00:11:00.610 - 00:11:05.730 Oh, I, I, I know another book from, from Mendelssohn. I forget what it's called. Melissa 00:11:06.210 - 00:11:07.890 Mutilations. Probably that one. Yeasimos 00:11:08.210 - 00:11:12.730 Yeah, yeah. Or how to how to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor or something. That one he wrote to. Melissa 00:11:12.730 - 00:13:02.380 Yeah, yeah, yes, that's those are, these are these books are written in the 70s by this medical doctor who's like, hey, this is a religious ritual. This is, this is not for the health of the people. This is an indoctrination. This is brain like this. Truly, when you bring your child into the pediatrician, it's a ritual. It's called a wellness checkup, but it's a ritual, it's an indoctrination, it's an authority exercise. And so that's what it was as he was bowing his head to the authority of the doctor. Well, the doctor isn't going to do anything that's going to harm the child. Yeah, the child's going to cry. The child's upset because, oh, they're cold. They're cold and they, you know, they're probably hungry and you know, we, we write it off as completely normal. But this was a profound moment for this child. Right. What, what is a conflict? Shock? Highly acute, Dramatic, unexpected, Caught off guard. Completely isolating. Completely isolating. I, I'm alone in this and I'm crying and I'm crying for the people that are supposed to help me. And, and nothing. And the ritual is completed uninterrupted. Right. Because my father, he's been told, this is the doctor, and the doctor needs to check the baby so that you get the seal of approval that the baby is okay. Because until I give you the seal of the approval that the baby is okay, we are assuming something is wrong, you know, and so we have to, we're waiting for the judgment. We're waiting, waiting for, okay, does the heartbeat is the temperature to the thermometers? Do the numbers on the paper. Do the, the numbers on the paper tell us what we need to be told. And it's about the data. It's about this, you know, quantitative data on the paper. Can we see is baby okay? Joel 00:13:02.380 - 00:13:02.780 Yeah. Melissa 00:13:02.780 - 00:13:05.100 And, and that's where we've gone terribly wrong. Joel 00:13:05.260 - 00:13:22.930 And also it is, it is self. It is selfishly for purely the relief of the parents to get this confirmation from this data, let alone anything that the child is actually experiencing. Just the parent wants to know, oh, my kid is okay via this ritual. And via these, via this data. Yeasimos 00:13:23.570 - 00:13:46.350 And these, and these, the dates for these, well, visits, like 2, 4, 6, whatever. 12. They're so arbitrary. Like, like, I don't know if they. I thought I read somewhere that they came up with them to have them close together because if they were spaced out that they might not come. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's just like, ridiculous. Like, who decides? Like, these are the dates and these are the, the injections that the child is going to get as well, and that's a whole nother conversation. Melissa 00:13:46.350 - 00:20:00.600 But yeah, and it's just getting to see how many people are just totally on board because the people in the comments are like, oh, just wait for the shots. Oh, just wait for this visit. Oh, just wait till this happens. Oh, my husband cried. Oh, I cried. Oh, it's terrible. And I'm like, this is. This is de evolution in, in full, on display for everyone. Because when you override instincts, that's the thing is we have the biological instincts and intuition for a reason, right? And that is because it keeps us safe, it protects us. But when we've been told to do something that violates our. Our intuition in order, we override that, that innate sense. For this paper, this paper now says that you're safe, not the evidence of your eyes and your ears. What's the Orwell quote? You know, that's the most important edict of the party is deny what your eyes say, what your ears are telling you, deny the evidence of your senses. And that's what is being done when you go in for a ritual that doesn't make sense to you. And this is not so big disclaimer. Emergency situations are different. If there's a true emergency, there are times where, you know, it might actually make sense. You know, yeah, maybe the baby is screaming and crying, but, you know, if there's something, you know, marble lodged in its nose, you know, we need to. There does. We need to remove it. I'm sure there's gentler, you know, better ways to do it, you know, less harmful, less conflicting ways and more conflict. There's a spectrum there. But there is a difference. When there's a truly life or death situation, an actual emergency where, yes, you might have to override, you know, your innate instinct to, you know, soothe the child because something needs to be removed from its throat. You know what I mean? So there's. Let's use common sense. That's actually really the big invitation. Let's use common sense. But the thing is, is because we have been so indoctrinated into this system to fear. You know, we fear fevers, we fear infection, we fear germs, we fear these things. And we say, oh, I need to inject you, I need to hold you down and poke you with things and inject you with substances so that your body makes a reaction to this thing that we've never proven exists. That's what doesn't make sense. And again, it is. It's very, very similar. The whole model is very similar to a religious organization, institution we use language that the average person might not be able to understand. We're using, you know, same thing with like legalese. They call it legalese where like the average Joe can't understand it. You know, we've got medicalese, we've got, you know, this language that. Yeah, it's. There's Latin words and we say, oh, you have arthritis. Instead of saying, oh, your joint is swollen. You know, the normal person could understand your joint is swollen. Oh, but if you have idiopathic arthritis, it sounds fancier, right? And so the average person, they subjugate themselves, right? They have this little old me syndrome. A intellectual self devaluation. Well, who am I to know? I didn't go to school as long as you did. I'm not a part of this, you know, this private club with these big buildings that seem really fancy. I subject myself to. To your authority. And this has gotten us into a really unfortunate position when it comes to health, well being. Because when we lose the primal instincts that allowed us to live in the wild, that allowed us to live in nature, allowed us to live and survive in the woods for a very long time. Thousands and thousands and thousands, something millions of millions of years, right, that there's been survival and all of that instinct is programmed into you. And now all of a sudden we're saying, no, no, no, don't use your instincts, don't follow your intuition. We're going to take your child, we're going to violate. Now this is something interesting. You know, Dr. Hamer talked about when they do a. Because there was a. There was a story, I think, of a man and his young daughter. And I think the daughter. I can't recall the exact story, but I think there was a brain scan and Dr. Hammer was like, you know, your. Your daughter has experienced a sexual conflict. You know, it just. It shows in the area of the brain, of the cervical relay that there is an impact there. There was a sexual conflict. And the father was like, no, absolutely not. There's no way this could have ever happened. I've seen her ever since she was born and nothing like that ever happened. He's like, well, you know, did they ever take her, you know, away from you to, to do, you know, measurements and weighing and take temperature and things like that. And he was thinking back and he's like, well, yeah, they did, you know, and he says that sometimes they will do a temperature read in the vagina or the rectum. And this for again, think about that from the perspective of, yes, it's an infant, but it's an infant female. And. And she is seeing. Is this, you know, this is not safe. And that can be perceived, depending on the child, because everyone's, you know, individual experience of a conflict is perceived in a. In the way that is appropriate to their psyche can be perceived as a sexual violation. You know, basically, a sexual violation is about mating and is it safe? Is it safe to be a female? Am I safe as a woman? And if she didn't feel safe and protected, how that could have been her very first sexual conflict. And so that's where, again, something that seems, oh, well, the rectum is just the best place to get the most accurate temperature. That's why we do it. And people are like, well, you could do it, you know, under the tongue. You could do it under the arm. And again, especially, well, one, a fever. It doesn't mean what it means in. In. In the conventional system, you know, a fever in their model means, oh, something bad is happening and your body's trying to burn off this bacteria. But we know it. You're running a fever. This is a good thing. You resolved a conflict. Your body is now in the healing phase. And if the temperature rises, that temperature actually is what is creating the environment for the microbes to do their work. So it's so inverted. So. So even if she had a temperature that isn't. Isn't a problem. It's nothing to be afraid of. And again, why do we have to do it in, like, the most invasive way possible? Joel 00:20:00.760 - 00:20:05.480 Yeah, what happened to all those fucking lasers you loved from 2020 to 2024? Yeasimos 00:20:06.080 - 00:20:09.080 I know, like, right in the forehead or wherever else they put it, you. Melissa 00:20:09.080 - 00:20:55.750 Know, Great point, great point. But again, if it is, you know, about this subjugation, because it just. I mean, when you think about it, when you zoom out and I get that, people that all of a sudden, it's the weirdest thing, because if you took a child like your own baby into your backyard and stripped it down and started inserting things into its body or poking it with needles, would we not be calling some kind of social service to say, hey, really weird over here. Like, this is not okay. But all of a sudden, when you walk through those doors and you go into that building and you see those. Those letters after their name, and you have this, you know, this. This whole situation, you. You're like, oh, this is fine. Yeasimos 00:20:55.910 - 00:20:57.110 Yeah, totally normal. Joel 00:20:58.790 - 00:21:10.370 That. That's the thing. Like, the indoctrination has been so severe that common sense has been redefined in the mind of the subject is the Common sense routes to go to the doctor, to have the interventions, to have the penetration. Yeasimos 00:21:11.170 - 00:21:11.650 Yes. Melissa 00:21:11.970 - 00:23:33.830 And again, to have. I mean, even just think about what that was to. For a young baby girl, you have three daughters. To give the baby girl to a man and for you to sit there while he does that to her under the guise of this is good for. This is. And again, just think about it. This is good for her health. That's. That is why parents are taking their child to the doctor, because they think that this is. This is good for my child's health. And the scream and just the whole scene is 100. Not good for anybody's health. You know, the dad seems very conflicted about it. Obviously the baby is, you know, like, this was a. This was clearly a ritual. And it's so hard for people to see that because they are. They're in the culture, if you're in the cult, you're like, this. This is totally normal and fine. And so. Yes, it's. And so the biggest thing for me is just that. That overriding of intuition, that overriding of some instinct and to make light of it, again, like, that's Was the theme of that episode of their podcast is, oh, he was so upset and he clenched his fists and he was just, you know, they are impotent. Like Arthur, not able to do anything about this. And. And everybody praises his. His masculinity and what a good man he is. And it's just like, this is crazy. And this even from my own experience. So I. I had to have been maybe 10, 10, 11 years old, maybe 12 somewhere in there. And my dad, you know, just a good guy. No. You know, who. But has been. He's been in this model. He's been in this paradigm. Doesn't think it. He took us to like, the health department because we needed our shots for school and my brothers each needed one, but apparently I needed two. And I was not having it. I was freaking out. I was saying, no, no, no, I don't want this. I don't want this. I don't want this. And I'm crying and I'm upset, and my dad's like, this is just what you have to do. This is. This is just. This is just what we do. And so he let the nurse jab a needle into my skin and I fainted. I fainted. I had a fear, disgust, conflict about the needle, about the whole situation. I fainted. And know at that moment, my dad didn't like, say, okay, we're out of here. She doesn't need the other one. We're gone, right? He let the lady give me the other one while I was laying on the floor. Yeasimos 00:23:34.230 - 00:23:35.030 Oh my God. Melissa 00:23:35.270 - 00:24:35.150 At the health department. And it's like I hadn't thought about how, you know, again, when it comes to masculinity, femininity, feeling protected and all of that. How. And again, this is not to fault. My. He. He doesn't know any better. But again, how sad and upsetting is that, that his instinct to protect his children has to be overridden because why? Well, you need this paper for school. I'm sure that was his thought. Well, you need this paper for school. And it's. And it's like that's where we just. Back to the drawing board with absolutely everything, you know, the schooling, the, you know, the papers, the needing of injections in order to go to school. But yeah, when it comes to, you know, the. The feminine feeling protected by the masculine and this little girl on this table and. And her father clenching his fist but doing nothing to. To. To console her, to hold her, to. I mean, even just something like that, that. Don't you think that most procedures that they do at the doctor could be done while the parent is, you know, holding child. Yeasimos 00:24:35.790 - 00:24:38.190 That'd be better. It's not ideal, but at least it would be better. Melissa 00:24:39.230 - 00:24:55.690 Right. But. But again, there. There's something strange about the ritual. There's something strange about the passing of your naked baby over to someone and putting them on a table and having them poke and prod and do whatever they do under the umbrella of this is healthy for your child. Yeasimos 00:24:56.250 - 00:25:40.600 Yeah. Like back to what you said before, I was trying to just picture, like, being Joel's neighbor and like in his backyard, there's like a stainless steel table, and all of a sudden, like, he just brings the baby and like, hands it to someone back there, and he's someone who's wearing a white coat just in the. In like the backyard of someone's house. And then pulling out this knee. It'd be the weirdest thing, you know, to see and witness and. But we just normalize it. The other thing that's just blows my mind is that like taking a baby that's completely healthy and fine, that doesn't. Doesn't seem like it is. It even needs any quote, unquote, medical attention to bring it two months, four months, six months in, like, that just seems ridiculous to me when I look at it. And. But again, it's like it all relates to the. The indoctrination and everyone going along to get along. Joel 00:25:41.180 - 00:26:47.730 Just an FYI, my eldest is 7 and none of my 3 daughters have met a pediatrician or a doctor, so there's no weird happening in my backyard either. Okay, you're asking us. When you, when you said who am I to know? It really reminded me of our favorite. Our favorite girls quote. One of her quotes, Iron Rand. She says, when a man declares who am I to know? He's declaring, who am I to live this? In every hour and every issue is your basic moral choice. Thinking or non thinking. Existence or non existence. To the extent which a man is rational, life is the premise of directing his actions. To the extent which he is irrational, the premise directing his actions is death. And it just seems as though this is like the original supplanting of crowd consciousness and of the dulling of one's intuition is handing that child over and ignoring the basic senses at the birth. And it's like, now I'm just going down this slippery slope of who am I to know everyone else knows better. Let me just cut myself off completely from these inner feelings and instincts that are happening because there's this entity over here which now I'm handing all my power over to. Yeasimos 00:26:48.370 - 00:27:18.539 Yeah, it's like when we were at the Reclaiming Birth conference. I don't know if someone said like, or we just realized this, like, when the way we look at birth changes, that's going to change society because that's the starting point. And like what you said, Joel, it starts there. Like, how was the baby born? What are your views around childbirth? And then, of course, it continues on in the system, you know, the being the member of the cult kind of, you get sanctified early on and then let's continue on. Joel 00:27:18.539 - 00:27:21.900 Well, you get, you get like branded, literally, you know? Melissa 00:27:22.940 - 00:28:01.600 Literally. Yeah, literally branded. And you're now, you know, you have. And the, the one who does the branding, this is a big part of it too, is like the one who does the branding. You have a fixation on that one, you know, so that's like in the, in the wolf pack, when the alpha bites down, the other wolf that's trying to fight the. The one that's bitten down becomes devoted to the alpha and will do whatever they say. Because that's how it works. You, you are the one who subjugated me. Right? I tried to fight. I was bitten down by you. You are now my leader. And now I, I listen to you. I'm devoted to you. I follow you. You know, depending on the context, even. Joel 00:28:02.560 - 00:28:06.840 That's why your osmosis Goes around just biting people. Makes sense. Yeasimos 00:28:06.840 - 00:28:09.600 Now continue, continue. Melissa 00:28:10.320 - 00:28:27.200 Dr. Hummer talks about it being. Because it also can be, you know, you can be gaily fixated. There can be like a, you know, like, I love you, I'm so devoted to you. So in that, in that way as well. And so, yeah, so that self devaluation. So, yes, in order to even go into a doctor's office, that parent already has to be conflicted. Yeasimos 00:28:27.820 - 00:28:27.980 Right. Melissa 00:28:27.980 - 00:29:22.780 Because a person operating without conflicts, right in their full, you know, like a, like a true alpha, again, that doesn't really exist. There's kind of mythical at this point because we all have been, most people have been born into this type of world. But if you didn't have conflicts, you know, you wouldn't, you wouldn't assume that this person is smarter than you. You wouldn't ever, you wouldn't say, oh, yes, now it makes sense. Here I am living in nature, in the wild, and all of my ancestors have given birth in these tents and these homes that we built ourselves. We've been doing this for forever and all of a sudden I'm going to say, oh, now you know what? It just feels like I need to take this baby somewhere else, to somewhere that is fully sanitized, doesn't smell or look like anywhere I've ever been before, and I need that person to do stuff to my baby. It's just, it, you wouldn't be, you would never do that. Yeasimos 00:29:23.020 - 00:29:34.780 And usually a person that you, you don't know, it's like, it's like, this is your pediatrician, this is what's covered by your insurance. Also like, go to this person, they live close to you as well. And this is the person that then like, is the authority. Joel 00:29:35.180 - 00:30:19.400 It's like, how do we, how do we encourage, I guess, the masses to develop the willingness to know and the willingness to have the courage required to stand on one's knowing prior to having these experiences. Because it seems like, you know, pregnancy just happens. Then all of a sudden there's this roller coaster ride of, oh, what the hell do we do? How the, how is this going to happen? And no one ever really gets to a place of center or rationality, etc, where it's like, we can now make key decisions to have the most successful and best birth possible. Because the slippery slope starts with the irrationality beginning the moment pregnancy happens. It's like all these things we've got to do now, you know, so like, what is the path? Melissa 00:30:20.200 - 00:32:04.170 I mean, unfortunately for many people, the path is something catastrophic happening, having a Very bad experience. You know, so that's like, that's, that, that tends to be the path, you know, is that we have a very negative encounter with, with the medical model. You know, we see that this thing that promised us health and safety and well being actually was harmful, you know, and so the person has to go through that. You know, I know many, many women who have gone through, you know, just standard obstetric care, standard gynecological visit, blah, blah, blah, up until their birth. And then, you know, they did everything right and then ended up with a C section. And then they're like, what, why did this happen? Did this have to happen? And then they start going down rabbit holes and then they're like, oh, there are women that still birth at home. I thought that that was, you know, something for the, the dark ages. And it's like, oh, and, and then they, they come through. So they have, you know, medicalized births first and that. So that is a big waking up. I mean, I'd be very interested. I'm sure that when people comment on like, how many of you woke up because of, you know, a crazy medicalized birth that you, that caused you to be like, something's wrong here, Something, I've been sold a lie and this isn't right, you know, and so many people, that's how they wake up. Is something crazy happening? And so they start to realize. But otherwise, how do you. Because again, if you have only had good experiences or, you know, again, what you consider good experiences that going through the medical system or people in your family, you have no reason to question it, you know, and you don't want to question it. Gosh. You know, because again, that's like questioning the church. Questioning the church. You know, the family gets really uncomfortable. The priest gets real. Everybody starts getting really uncomfortable when the teenage kid's like, why are we doing this? Joel 00:32:04.650 - 00:32:05.130 Yes. Melissa 00:32:05.610 - 00:34:50.660 What's the point of all of this? Does this, the story doesn't make sense? This behavior doesn't make sense? Does it make sense that you're doing that? And we're like, quiet down. Right? We don't want, we don't want dissenters because. And assume that people do. They come for you in the comments when you say something, you know, because again, they think that this is, this is the thing that has gotten us this far. And that's one of those big. Obviously, you know, if they, people go and look at the, the virus. Absolute lie and the fact that all of these vaccines, because people are still convinced, they go, they go, oh, well, polio you know, without even knowing the polio story at all, they, but that still is so emblazoned in people's psyches that medicine saves lives. Without this, we, we would not have. Oh, what did they say? Vaccines create adults or something like that. That's like one of their little taglines as the, the reason. Yeah, right. But again, that just flies in the face of. I know, I know a lot. Like a whole, there's whole generations of families. There's like this holistic chiropractic, you know, family where like everybody, there's like tons of chiropractors in this family and obviously none of the children have been vaccinated. How did, how are these people alive? If only if vaccines are the things that creates adults, if you, if it wasn't for this holy magical injection, you wouldn't even grow up. And, and, and that again, when we understand the five biological laws, all of that becomes irrelevant. And every story of a person who had, you know, an illness, an adaptation that, you know, led to their, you know, their, their passing, we could make sense out of it, right? When we understand the biological laws, we see what happened, what happened in that story. When we, when you understand the context, even when you, we think about sanitation and cleanliness and the whole thing that, oh, vaccines, you know, saved everyone's lives, it's like, no, that was around the same time that we were realizing we were making infrastructure and making it so that places were cleaner and there weren't like 10 families living in a very small home. Right. With no space. Think about the territorial conflicts, the separation conflicts, all these, you know, so called contagious skin illnesses because people had no physical space. If you wanted to separate from someone, but you're, you know, living in the, you know, the early 1900s in a city, just think about that with no, no plumbing, no, you know, running water, and you're having all of this, all these people close together. Just think about the conflicts, right? When you just think about your own conflicts, you've had having lots of space and lots of room and lots of, you know, amenities and not having any of that, it would, it was an environment that was rife for people having lots of biological conflicts. Yeasimos 00:34:51.060 - 00:35:08.640 And that's why, that's why mortality rates went down ultimately was because, you know, they had like better refrigeration and sanitation and things of that n nature. So that's going to impact people's perceptions as well. But of course they want to attribute it all to vaccines, which obviously wasn't the case. Even when you look at the statistics historically, purely, curiously. Joel 00:35:08.720 - 00:35:29.570 Is it relative at all, though? For example, like, what is the ideal amount of biological space? And if for a person back then, like, X amount of space was like, you know, very abundant, then does that shift as time goes on? Do you know what I'm trying to say with that question? Like, is the amount of space required to avoid a separation conflict? Is that relative based on the time period? Melissa 00:35:30.050 - 00:36:03.430 I know I would just say it's very. It's very individual. You know, families that are close used to be close together. But again, if you've got, you know, if you just kind of go back at that time and what certain neighborhoods and places were like, I can only imagine. I just kind of put myself there and say, you know what? I bet there were a lot of conflicts here, but yeah, that's. That's certainly relative to the family and what they're used to and all of that. But I, I would say that definitely the more people in more confined space, just the more potential for. For conflicts. Like that rat study, you know, that. That mouse study. Yeasimos 00:36:04.390 - 00:36:07.430 Which one? The. I mean, I feel like there's been a few that I. Melissa 00:36:08.630 - 00:36:30.450 Where they. The. Oh, I can't grab the name of it right now, but yeah, the mouse study where they basically put people, put these mice in this city, modeled the city for the. The mice, and it created all sorts of conflicts and changes in. Changes in behavior and changes in how they. It was. It's absolutely crazy. We. That'll be. Actually, you guys should do a whole episode on that. Yeasimos 00:36:30.930 - 00:37:15.410 Yeah, interesting. I think I know what you're talking about. I have to look that up. I have a question because I'm curious your thoughts through the. The five biological laws lens of, you know, like, Semmelweiss. Semmelweiss was like the doctor that they talk about, like the hand washing that, like they were washing their hands before dealing with pregnancy. I think it was because they were like working on cadavers or doing autopsies on cadavers first, and then they were going to. To work on mothers. And so they were supposedly, you know, quote unquote, passing on the infection or whatever it was called. I don't know what. What it was, but like, from a GM lens, what was happening? Obviously there was issues happening with. With, with these mothers, I believe, that were dying in childbirth. But then once the doctors started washing their hands, was there something else that was being like, what. Share your thoughts on that. Melissa 00:37:15.410 - 00:42:11.100 Well, even just the smell of death, so even just think about the. The. There's an odor to decom decomposition. There's an odor to a cadaver, you know, and so to go from the cadaver lab without, you know, any just cleansing in the water because, you know, and this is something. When I, when I wash my hands or when I brush my teeth, it's not about killing bacteria. It's for refreshment. Right. It's refreshing to, you know, to kind of purify myself in the water. Not to purify in the sense of I need to kill all these bad germs. It's simply shifting from one activity to another to have this, you know, this lovely ritual of water, immersing oneself in water. Because even just the odor of death. Just think about that. So here's this, you know, doctor comes from there and comes to deliver your baby and he smells of death, right? Like there's, there's a biological innate sense to, to smelling that which would what, initiate biological adaptation programs. And so is it simply about the doctor brought little invisible buggies room into this room and put them onto her body? We have. But that is overriding. So again, that's purely just the material. We've got bad, yucky material and then we've got, you know, a birthing mother. And, you know, in that we have to look at the entire experience of the mother who's interacting with a doctor who has just been interacting with decomposing bodies. There's, there's a, there's an innate sense to that. There's a smell to that that can create an absolute conflict where if the doctor washes his hands right before, while transitioning, that's going to get rid of that, that odor and that kind of sense. And yes, are there, you know, there's different material on a decaying body than there is on a, on a living body. And so yes, if you get some of that material, obviously the biology can, you know, if you, if I get a splinter, my body knows how to. I actually, I'm not a fan of pulling out splinters. This has always been a thing. Like I, I hated when getting the tweezers and trying to like dig in there and take the splinter out. I was a big fan of just putting a band aid over it and it's in. It kind of, you know, it smarts when you step on it. But my body takes care of it. The body will dissolve and get rid of the splinter because my, you know, innate intelligence says, oh, there's this, this doesn't belong here and my body's going to break it down and remove it. And so when there are things that get into the body, you know, and again, it's just, this doesn't belong here. It's not, oh, this is something bad, you know, because there's a piece of wood bad. Can we put a judgment call on a piece of wood? No, it's great. That's how you build a fire. It's wonderful. We need pieces of wood. But pieces of wood in my foot just doesn't belong here. Right. And is it a war? Is my body at war against the piece of wood that got into my foot? Well, no, it just says, this doesn't belong here. I'm going to do some cleanup, right? I'm going to do some regular maintenance that says, oh, this is Melissa's body. This is a piece of wood. And so the microbial helpers, right, they're the cleanup crew, the construction crew. Got my construction hat of that I wear. It's the cleanup crew. That's what's happening. There's little workers that live in all of your tissue layers, and they do jobs. One of their jobs is to clean up debris that gets in the body that shouldn't be there, right? And if it can break it down, it'll break it down. If it needs to wall it off, it'll wall it off. It does what it needs to do. And so if there is something that doesn't belong, the body does go through a process of cleaning it up. And it's an inflammatory process, right? Because all healing happens in a fluid environment. And so, yes, if a mother had gotten something, you know, in her body that didn't belong there, an inflammatory process can ensue from there. But again, we just have to look at the. What is the premise? Is it the premise that there's something bad that should have been killed or sanitized before? It's just there's certain things that belong, and there's certain things that don't belong, and things that are on a decaying body don't belong on the living body of a birthing mother. And if a doctor, you know, transmits and, you know, again, this. The smell, the whole experience, the body will, you know, clean up what doesn't belong, which, you know, especially if it's an intense situation because, you know, there was, yes, there was a very high death rate, I think around that time before they implemented this. And again, this was after they had, you know, gotten women to even start to birth in hospitals, which before that, they weren't even birthing in hospitals. They were birthing at home. You know, so that was a whole transition to get women into. To birthing in the hospitals. And so, yeah, that's. That's the whole story. Story there. And so again, it's. It's about the. The odor of death, and then also the body just going through a natural cleanup process for something that doesn't belong in a certain area. Yeasimos 00:42:12.300 - 00:42:13.340 Cool. Thank you. Joel 00:42:13.820 - 00:42:24.380 Just for those listening, I think the mouse experiment was behavioral sync, a term invented by ethologist John B. Calhoun to describe a collapse in behavior that can result in overpopulation. Yeasimos 00:42:25.030 - 00:42:40.150 Yeah. Was this also the study where they were, like, eating one another, too? They started cannibalizing. I know there's some other study that went into that, too. Yeah, Calhoun, that makes sense. Thank you, Joel, for looking that up. Our audience will be very grateful. Joel 00:42:40.549 - 00:42:43.110 I'm all for. I'm all about the audience, bro. All about the audience. Yeasimos 00:42:43.110 - 00:42:43.510 Yeah. Melissa 00:42:44.390 - 00:42:49.910 I have another story. I have another instinct overriding Instagram. Joel 00:42:50.150 - 00:42:52.440 Melissa's like, shut up. This is like, shut up, you two. Melissa 00:42:53.320 - 00:42:55.800 Yeah, you guys can, you know, if you want to take. Yeasimos 00:42:55.880 - 00:43:00.760 No, no, it's all good. Oh, is this. Oh, this. Okay, is. Okay, you go, go, go. Melissa 00:43:02.120 - 00:43:03.160 What were you gonna say? Yeasimos 00:43:03.240 - 00:43:05.400 The one with like, like, piercings. Melissa 00:43:05.720 - 00:43:22.350 No, I have another. Another one. But we can talk about that one now, too. Yeah, yeah. So I sent, yeah, your osmos. That video. And then also this one of basically dads holding their. Their daughters while they have their ears pierced. And, you know, it's just kind of a similar sort of situation, like against. Joel 00:43:22.350 - 00:43:23.990 Their will or like, cuddling them. Yeasimos 00:43:25.110 - 00:43:54.840 Well, they're infants, so it came across as against their will because they're sitting there and they're, like, crying. Okay, well, as these, like, one year olds or. Or maybe even less are getting their ears pierced and they're like, they're holding on to their children and like, the. The. You can see the. Visually, the, the dads are, like, crying. They're like, they're hating. They have to do this. But then they're going along and they're still doing it. So it's like on one level, your heart breaks for them. On another level, you're like, what are you doing? Like, why does a baby need their ears pierced? But that's just my. Melissa 00:43:55.800 - 00:44:11.880 Exactly. And that again, it's like, you know, so some people just, like, they say, oh, well, this is. You know, they think it's better to do it when they're young. You know, they. They think that, oh, if we do it when they're young, they won't remember it, and then they'll Just get to enjoy the joys of having your ears pierced for the rest of your life. Joel 00:44:12.120 - 00:44:36.030 And a lot of this is so apropos, Melissa, because so my middle child, she's turning five and like we've been having a discussion for, with her for ages now. She does want to get her ears pierced. So she wants to get her ears pierced but we can't find anywhere in Mexico to like actually get her ears pierced in like a nice environment at all. Because we just discovered it happens at birth. All the girls in the hospital, it happens at birth. Yeasimos 00:44:36.830 - 00:44:43.880 Wait, what? Yes, they pierce babies, like newborn babies ears immediately. Joel 00:44:43.960 - 00:45:01.320 Yes, it happens. There's like, it's not like in Australia or the US where you would go, you'd find a nice like, you know, jeweler or maybe like a semi tattoo kind of place and there'd be two people with like, they can do it at the same time, make it easy, make it. This doesn't exist. We've looked. It happens at birth in the hospital. Melissa 00:45:02.520 - 00:46:54.900 I didn't realize that. I did not know that that was part of their standard ways of poking the children. You know, it's like, well, poke your heel, give you some vaccines, do all this and pierce your ear so you'll get some earrings out of it. So that's very interesting. But yeah, it's just this, you know, this philosophical question, do we do this to the children without their consent? I think five, I was eight, I think I got my, my ears pierced on my eight was my half birthday of when I was eight, I was like, I want to get my ears pierced. And you know, so that was, I think that's actually very beautiful to have a conscious like, I know it's going to be, you know, uncomfortable, it's going to be a pinch, but then I'm going to, you know, have my earrings and so that. To override that completely though, simply because you like the way that earrings look, you know, kind of similar like the circumcision conversation, you know. Well, I prefer the way that this looks and so sorry, you're going to forget about it. You know, it's going to be painful for a little bit, but then you're going to forget about it. But you know, that's the thing. Does the body forget, you know, if this is a highly acute, dramatic, caught off guard circumstance that the baby didn't ask for? What did the baby ask for? The baby asked for milk and snuggles and love and, and care and tending to the diaper and tending to tend to my needs. Please, mom. And dad, you know, do my earlobes. Are my earlobes sparkly enough for you? The baby isn't concerned with that, you know, and so it's very interesting, again, this instinctual override. Oh, well, it's culture. Well, yeah, we're doing a lot of things under the name of culture and ritual. What. What are the. What's the point of these cultures and the, you know, and this ritual. Sure, right. Is to. Is subjugation, putting you, you know, in. In. In this position. And so it's. It's a big deal, you know, and again, I think it's. We become so desensitized. And what was the other. Joel 00:46:54.900 - 00:46:55.540 Oh, go. Melissa 00:46:56.100 - 00:47:14.350 You know, like, that's. We've. We've denatured ourselves where the nature, the primal nature within again. That you would never think to harm a child in that way. I'm gonna hold my child down and poke it with needles because I want it to be more sparkly or I want it. I want some. Joel 00:47:15.710 - 00:47:37.790 This is like all the making of the npc. It's like literal programs that don't make biological sense, that people are just running automatically and unconsciously. And the real conscious mind, the real self, the real being is not having any input in the matter. And just this other thing is running on a loop. This is the thing I should do next, you know, it's crazy. Yeah, totally. Melissa 00:47:37.790 - 00:47:38.310 Robots. Yeasimos 00:47:38.310 - 00:47:38.750 You would. Joel 00:47:38.750 - 00:47:41.430 You would be amazing doing that robot dance on a dance floor, by the way. Yeasimos 00:47:42.070 - 00:47:46.630 Yeah. What was. Was there another story and I brought up the piercing thing that you wanted to talk about. Melissa 00:47:47.030 - 00:51:22.530 Yes. Yeah. This other story. So this is another famous couple on Instagram TikTok, and they, you know, I think have. I think she was. I don't know, she may have had her third baby, but she has two little ones and was pregnant at least at the time that this video was filmed. And basically she's doing a, you know, get ready with me putting her makeup on and telling, like, sharing with the parents. I have to share with you about the scariest night ever. She says, you know, and she said yesterday it seemed like a totally normal day. Like the. No symptoms. The children weren't having any symptoms. It was a totally normal day. We go to dance, we come home, we have dinner, put the kids to bed around 7:30. And she shares that we've been talking to the kids about staying in your bed, how very important it is that you stay in your bed and you stay in your room all night long. She said that around 1120 they were awoken by this Crazy noise, crazy, crazy noise. And you know, their, their daughter had come to the room to, to wake them up and she's coughing, but it's like this bark, like this high pitch, like croup, crazy cough. And the child isn't speaking, you know, so the parents start freaking out and you know, call the mom and like, oh, you know, they, they drove her to the ER and obviously they put, you know, an oxygen mask and give her something to, you know, probably some type of steroid to calm her system to help, you know, and you know, the mom. So she's talking about basically her, her share in the message for like sharing this video is like, I just want parents to know that this can happen because she's like, I thought that croup was like, oh, you start, you have like a little bit of a cold. Like basically you have symptoms leading up to something that turns into the croup or you know, some kind of loud barking cough. And so she was letting everyone know, hey, this can just happen out of nowhere on a perfectly normal day where everything seems normal. And in the video it's so interesting because she's emphasizing how, you know, part of the thing that makes her feel bad is that, you know, she had told her daughter not to come into their room, not to leave her room. And so she's upset because she's like, oh, if she hadn't have done that, I wouldn't have known that this would happen. And she completely misses the crucial point. The crucial point is that telling the daughter that she can't leave her room, Please, darling, do not leave your room. Stay in your room all night long. And that means no matter what happens, even if you get scared, even if you're upset, I want you to stay in the room. That was her shock that caused the child to feel highly acute, dramatic, all alone, right? Isolated. I'm here in my room. I can't go out. I'm not supposed to go out there. Even if I get scared. She, you know, so can't you see the split energy? My, you know, I, my intuition and instinct is saying go be with mom, right, if she gets scared in the night. But the program that her mom said is don't leave the room. It's very important. That's what she said. I've been telling them how important it is that they stay in their room. And so that for a little girl, if she's right handed, would be this, you know, a scare fright conflict. Scare fright conflict affecting the bronchial musculature or the, the Laryngeal musculature creating this, this speechlessness. I'm speechless. Frozen in fear in the bronchial muscular or the, the laryngeal musculature. And that's what creates that barking cough and not being able to speak. She was scared speechless. Yeasimos 00:51:23.250 - 00:51:23.770 Yeah. Joel 00:51:23.770 - 00:51:30.530 Isn't this, isn't this a microsm of the mass lockdown rituals? Stay in your room, don't leave, don't go anywhere. Melissa 00:51:31.700 - 00:55:03.300 Oh, interesting. Yes. Stay in your room, don't leave, don't go anywhere. You're not allowed, you know, Speechless. Cover your mouth. You know, so, yeah, very interesting. And so I was just like, this is so that was her conflict is being told, don't leave the room, don't come out of your room. You know, it's so important, you know, and she wants to make her mom, she doesn't want to upset her mom and she's like, yeah, mom really emphasized how important it was that I stay in my room. And, and if she got scared, it was really sweet. I saw this other video from a 5 year old and it's like the dad and the dog. It looks like they have a little podcast with like the five year old and the dad, which is adorable. Joel, maybe a good idea. Bring the girls for your epoch. I was like, oh, it's so cute. And so the five year old is describing basically I think, I don't know if they were talking about co sleeping or whatever, but the five year old is like, you know, she's like to be told to sleep in your room just with your stuffed animals, she's like, is really scary. She's like all night, like that's a long time. And she, so she's like really articulately describing. She's like, it can be really scary. And so she's like if your child wants to come into your bed, I mean you should let them come in because the night is, you know, dark and scary and it's a very long time. And so it's so sweet to see her describe exactly what this 4 year old had gone through. But she didn't have permission, she wasn't allowed. And again, here we are back to overriding instincts, overriding intuition. You know, it, it doesn't make sense for a four year old to not be able to go into her parents room. And if she's, you know, if she's scared one, you know, it doesn't really necessarily make all that much sense to, to be separated. You know, a lot of people have really understood the like the family bed is Actually very convenient. You know, I've got a, a friend who recently had a baby and she's like, I can't imagine, you know, like it's so co. Sleeping is so easy. You know, she, this baby sleeps like 12 hours and just wakes up very slightly to nurse and baby's right there and she's like, this is, this is like very easy. But the idea of separate rooms and the baby being separated, you know, and this child not being able to have that connection, creating this conflict and then leading to what, an ER visit, you know, more if you're for the family. And now we've got this fear that a cough like this can just come absolutely out of nowhere. And that was the parents, that's their sense is, oh, this just happened randomly. We had no prior indication. But that's because they don't understand the five biological laws. If they knew the five biological laws. They say, oh, my child isn't speaking. And they've got this high pitched barking cough. That's the larynx. Okay. What causes the larynx to adapt? Oh, well, it's a scare fright conflict. That's the only way, that's the, the only way a cough like that occurs is by way of the activation of this relay and adaptations here, which is initiated by a scare fright conflict. And if they had known that, you know, again, if they had known that they probably would be living completely differently. But that is what prevents these scary visits to the hospital. This, you know, being treated, having probably again a steroid in a four year old body, which is not ideal to be taking medication for things that are normal biological conflicts. You know, obviously if it gets to the point of actually not being able to breathe, there are times where it does make sense to, to intervene medically. But how much of that could be prevented if we knew, if we were living primally, if we're living just in that instinctual way. That makes sense. Yeasimos 00:55:03.300 - 00:55:08.020 Yeah, yeah. You want to change it? I want to ask something. Joel 00:55:08.750 - 00:55:10.750 Yeah. If it's on this topic, I got a different question. Yeasimos 00:55:10.750 - 00:55:22.670 It's a similar topic like, so what are your thoughts around potential conflicts or things that you've witnessed or heard from people you've worked with around, like even crying it out or sleep training, you know, like how that impacts, you know, children. Melissa 00:55:24.190 - 00:56:13.830 I mean, that just makes you go numb. I cry and you do nothing. I'm powerless. I mean, and again, it all depends on the unique perception of that child. Of. Is it an overwhelm conflict? That's actually a big one with sudden infant Death syndrome. So if the child has the left myocardium, so the left myocardium, when that conflict is activated, which is an overwhelmed conflict, that when it goes into resolution, the blood pressure bottoms out. And so this is just this, you know, they stopped breathing in the night. And so that if there was an overwhelm, conflict related to, to the mother. And so it could be an overwhelm, it could be powerlessness, it could be anger, you know, territorial anger. All depends on how the child. Yeasimos 00:56:14.390 - 00:56:38.780 So could that also be like, let's say that morning they went and got like 2 month or 4 month, well visit and the child, you know, obviously is a baby, feels overwhelmed, you know, or there's territorial anger or something that's coming from let's say being held down or vaccinated or whatever the case may be, that then once it's time to go to bed, asleep, they're in their so called safe crib, then they resolve the conflict and then that's what happens. Is that one way to look at it? Melissa 00:56:38.780 - 00:57:53.850 That's one of the things for sure. Yeah. So like if it's a seizure, we know it's a motor conflict. If it's just an, like a SIDS event where they're just like, yeah, we don't know why, it was just sudden for seemingly no reason. But there's, there's always a reason. And so, yes, that, that is definitely one of the things that can happen. I'm feeling totally overwhelmed, totally abandoned, you know, isolated, alone. And that's the, that's the thing is, you know, and Robert Mendelssohn in that book the Confessions of the Medical Heretic, he does, he even talks about things like tonsillectomy. He's like, these children feel ganged up on between by their parents and the doctor. And I was like, oh, that's a perfect description of feeling just isolated. Right. It's like my parents are saying something's wrong with me and the doctor saying something's wrong with me and I'm being poked with needles. And can you imagine a more isolating scenario? And especially being so tiny, so small, like so not having any autonomy, that your life literally depends on these people. And they, they seem to, you know, be fine with you crying it out or you know, being subjected to this. This pain is very, very much can affect the soul, the psyche in such a profound way. Joel 00:57:54.180 - 00:58:27.690 Yeah, for sure. I remember like when I first went to school as like a four year old, like the first three, four weeks I'll just be like crying, like religiously like, for my mom. And like, eventually the only reason I stopped was, like, I realized everyone around me would, like, roll their eyes every time I'd start crying at the same time each day, you know, and even just the isolating isolation of, like, being forced into school when one isn't ready, which, again, is a very individual thing if ever you decide to go to school, you know, again, it's just another example. Yeasimos 00:58:29.290 - 00:58:47.210 Is that what also, like, maybe like, chickenpox would come into play at that. Like, usually for that period when people leave the home, like first grade or kindergarten, that it's. It's from. It relates to that, like, they're no longer, like, you know, with their mother, with their family. Like, is that what plays a role? And it measles as well? Joel 00:58:47.620 - 00:58:47.860 Yeah. Melissa 00:58:47.860 - 01:01:14.780 Yeah. So all those skin, rashy skin conditions is some form of separation conflict. And this resolution of, oh, just this, even this realization, oh, I'm separate, separate from the home, separate from my mother. You know, it comes and that's where it is. It's almost like a biological rite of passage. Like a child realizes, oh, I'm kind of a separate entity. You know, before that I was only at home and only knew myself in the context of these people. Now I'm kind of understanding myself out in the world in the context of other people. And when you maybe come to terms with that, right, that you have this. This resolution, then there's even a sense in which, you know, like, oh, the whole chickenpox party. And it's like, what if there is a resolution? Like, oh, this. This my friend, he's fine with it, right? He. He now has, you know, adapted. Right. Like, apparently they're. They're not going to come pick me up. I'm just going to keep crying here. I'm, you know, I. I resolve my separation conflict. Is there some type of blueprint that you can almost, like, give your friend? Like, hey, listen, you're going to be fine. I'm fine here. We're kind of going through. We're growing up. We're growing out of being only with our family. And now we're with this, you know, with each other in this group, resolving that separation conflict. And when it's generalized, then we get those. The spots, all over the itchy spots. But again, that's a resolution. That is. There were, when I was feeling separated, when I was in the conflict, that there's loss of tissue, and then during the healing phase, there is tissue restoration. And so, yeah, and that's where, again, it's very unique to, to the individual child and their feelings of, you know, am I feeling separated? Am I not? I know kids where they, they're, they're psyche, they're just different and they're like, you know what? I didn't have that kind of problem. I didn't have a problem leaving home or I didn't, you know, it was different for me. Whereas another child is going to maybe be more attached, have more trouble going into a new environment. So really it's very unique to the individual. That's why even the so called chickenpox parties don't always work because not every child is experiencing the conflict in the same way. But there could be ones that are like, oh yeah, I'm ready to, you know, kind of resolve this conflict. And if you get around someone who's already resolved it and again, there is a sense of getting out of isolation. If you get around someone who's resolved a conflict and you yourself are in your psyche kind of, I need to resolve that conflict too. And even just being in communion with them and speaking with them, you know that you can, you can also kind of resonate with the resolution of their conflict and you resolve your own. But you have to have the conflict first, first in order to resolve it. Joel 01:01:15.740 - 01:01:41.750 Yeah. Is it possible? And how would it work for an infant or a child to I guess develop symptoms, so to speak, based on the conflicts or the unresolved conflicts of the parents? Say dad or mom is going through something very traumatic or dramatic. Can that show up in any way via the infants? Melissa 01:01:42.630 - 01:03:53.380 Yeah, so the child has their own experience of whatever mom's going through. And so when you are, you know, your mom, then there is, there is up until a certain point where the child doesn't even feel themselves as separate from their mother. They're like, I am you, you are me, so whatever you're going through, I'm also going through. And so the child has their own experience of their parents conflict. So we can have, you know, conflicts on behalf of other people. I don't know if I shared it was on this podcast with you guys at any point, the story of the mom who started hyper salivating because her child swallowed a coin. It's like her child swallowed a coin but she had the conflict that caused her to have hyper salivation. So her body could, you know, it's not her body that swallowed the coin, it's the child's body. Right. But because she's feeling for, you know, on behalf of her child, she's experiencing the conflict that is for the child, but it's her biology that is adapting to it, even though it doesn't make, you know, sense that it is simply because it's my body. You know, these bodies are separate, but the mother feels just full responsibility for her child. And so the child, in the same sense, you know, they, they feel like, what do all little kids that, you know, their parents get divorced, Is it my fault? They feel like it's. It's their fault. Right. Because they are self centered. It's all about me. And so if my mom is having a conflict with the neighbor, but my mom is around me and her emotions are filling up my, my space with this feeling. I feel like the conflict with the neighbor is about me too. Right. And so I have the conflict and so I can have the indigestible morsel. I can exhibit the symptoms, you know, and we talk about that too in the animal course, in the podcast about these animals, about, you know, the animals also, that they can show you, like, the conflicts that you are having, Will. They're always being displayed, you know, on the screen of your experience. Right. This is your movie. And so everywhere you look, there you are. And it shows up in many interesting ways. And so the biological things around you, your plants, your animals, I mean, even the unbiological things, your car, I mean, there's very interesting ways in which, you know, you are being shown things that you need to see all of the time if you're willing to see it. Yeasimos 01:03:53.850 - 01:04:18.330 Yeah, Yeah. I wonder. Joel and I got into. I got in a car accident. Well, someone hit and run me. And then the next day you had a little fender bender at, like, both of us two, two days in a row. Even though we've never had any other issues in the five years we've known each other. So I don't know, I have no idea what the reason was, but I thought it was an interesting coincidence that we both had some issues with our cars within one day of each other. Anyways. Melissa 01:04:18.490 - 01:04:19.530 Very interesting, actually. Yeasimos 01:04:20.070 - 01:04:20.390 Yeah. Joel 01:04:23.030 - 01:04:28.790 I want to ask you a question. How has your understanding of German new medicine impacted you spiritually? Melissa 01:04:31.270 - 01:11:24.940 Hmm. Well, I guess I believe that everything in nature makes sense and that. Yeah, so that's actually an interesting question in terms of, you know, the, the natural, like the religion of nature. Like, what religion does my cow have? What spirit? What is the spirituality of Buttercup and Clementine? The spirituality of Buttercup and Clementine is that of, of the sun and the grass and the moon and, and nature and, and just doing life. Right. And so that's what I Love so much about the five biological laws. It's like, this is, this is. This is the natural world, and this is, you know, I worship the natural world. The, the beauty of, you know, like just beauty and symmetry. And the secret, right, there are. There are secrets that you put a seed in the ground and this particular plant grows, right? And this particular plant smells a particular way and attracts a particular bird or insect, and that insect does something like, it's all just so. I mean, it's truly just brings you to your knees in awe all of the time. Because, you know, and that's. I. And I do think, you know, my, you know, my personal spiritual journey in some ways has been shaped by experiences with plants. You know, because it's. Again, these plants, they just show you how perfect and wonderful and beautiful everything is and how orderly and. And it is. It's. It's so. It's different from, you know, what I was raised with was, you know, evangelical. And again, there's a system. What is religion is a system for? You know, how do I make sense out of things that don't seem to make sense? You know, that's why people turn to, to a religious model. Let me make sense out of something that I can't really understand. And, you know, does it make more sense to turn to a book in written language, or does it make sense to turn to the cow? The cow and, and the, the trees and the manure? The stuff that seems, oh, is this. This poop? But then it turns into this beautiful soil. Steve and I were out in the field, and it was like an old cow pie that's been there, you know, for, for months now. And he's like, he's looking at it and then he picked it up and it just smells like the most beautiful soil. Just like, rich, just dirt. It doesn't, you know, like, it's, it's. It's kind of made the transition from being, you know, poop to being just pure, just beautiful soil. And that, that is, to me, I think, more just, more telling than any kind of text that you can imagine, right? That this. That comes out one end and turns into the soil that helps us to grow new life. That's, that's the circle, the circle of life, the beautiful natural way of understanding organisms. And, and that's the thing. That's what the instinct and intuition. That is what. Those are our gifts, right? These are our gifts of nature, gifts of biology, gifts of our ancestors. That is to, to deny your instinct is to slap your ancestors in the face and Say, oh, what you did didn't work, but what they did got you here. What they did got you here. That's why we have all of these, you know, these biological ways of, of living in the world and understanding and, you know, and that's the thing. And Dr. Hamer, he takes it, when he looked at the layers, right? That was one of the things that, when I dove into this work, I'm like, these layers, right? The endoderm, the mesoderm, the ectoderm, the old brain has this old archaic knowledge, this old archaic ancestral knowledge of how to, how to hold on to water, how to better digest a morsel. This is what we, we need more juices in this situation. We need to better digest in that situation, you know, and then we have the old mesoderm. And it's like, this is your protective layer. And this layer is going to protect, you know, this is the deep layer of cell skin and the, the pleura and the pericardium and these, these protective coatings. And it's going to get thicker when you need it to get thicker. And then the new mesoderm, and that is the connective tissue that gives us structure and that when you devalue yourself, that tissue needs to reinforce and get stronger. And then we have the, the ectoderm and that tissue and what it does is to thin out. You know, we, if we need a wider duct or if we need to erode tissue, that's what that tissue. It all has a biological purpose and meaning. And the story, it just makes so much sense for, for life, you know, and that's why often I will describe it as this biologic. Bio means life. Logic is what makes sense. This is the biological code that makes sense to, to keep life going. This is what makes sense to keep life going. And what the conventional world has done, it is illogical. It is what makes sense to make people ill and subservient and reliant on a system of pills and surgeries and, you know, perpetual customers for this system. And, you know, and it puts people on their knees in front of a hospital, in front of a doctor, rather than, you know, out in nature, understanding that this is what nature does when this circumstance occurs. And so, yeah, I mean, it's been such a brilliant and beautiful full circle, full circle understanding of nature and life and how life brings forth more life. You know, the losses that I've suffered, you know, and animals that I've buried in the ground, which has been so heartbreaking, you know, each One came with a beautiful story and lesson to learn. And the deep knowing that the things you bury in the ground just grow again. They just keep growing. And so that's this beautiful circle of life. And that's. That's the cool thing too, is what. It's the fear of death. Right. Again, is what it. Because people don't understand the mystery of death. That. And that's the thing that will turn them in to different systems, different religions, to make sense out of, you know, death and what happens. But the people who are in tune with nature, they understand. It just. It just keeps coming forth. And when, you know, Buttercup has a baby cow, it's like that, you know, that's Buttercup into the future. And. And that baby cow is going to have another baby cow and the game's going to keep on going. Right. So that's why anything that inverts, that's that, like the satanic inversion is this thing that takes you against life. And like, the quote that you share, Joel, about this is a death. Like, if you're not going to pay attention to your own senses, your own eyes, your own ears, and you're going to go against that because some book or paper or person told you to, that. That's leading towards death. That is the evolution that is. That's. That's not going to get you in, you know, to be able to live a long time and to procreate and produce. It's. That is an illogical way of living. Joel 01:11:25.820 - 01:11:26.300 Yeah. Yeasimos 01:11:26.540 - 01:11:29.420 It's not going to lead to a heavenly life, that's for sure. Joel 01:11:29.740 - 01:11:40.620 Yeah. And. And I mean also, like, understanding the biological laws and understanding nature's rhythms is actually the thing that makes you ungovernable in the real sense. Melissa 01:11:41.660 - 01:11:53.420 Well, yeah, that was. The Germanic people, the Germanica. Heil Kunda. The Germanic people, they were ungovernable. They. Do you know what their motto was? Their motto was better dead than a slave. Yeah. Yeasimos 01:11:54.460 - 01:11:55.020 Love it. Melissa 01:11:55.340 - 01:12:35.340 Mic drop. Right? Like, better dead than a slave. They're like, I would rather be in nature on my own, do my own thing than. Than to bend my knee to Rome. And that was the thing. And that. That, you know, Tacitus, there's this book or, you know, this journal he wrote of Germania and the Germanic peoples and how they lived and how they didn't want to. They. They would. They didn't want to use gold. They didn't want to, you know, use the monetary system. They weren't interested in doing that. They didn't lend money for interest. That was Something they absolutely did not do. They lived alongside rivers, they didn't want to live in cities. They lived alongside the rivers. They lived alongside nature. That's just how they did life. Joel 01:12:35.580 - 01:12:41.180 These are the hobbits. They sound like the hobbits. Is that Lord of the Rings? Melissa 01:12:41.500 - 01:17:39.910 Oh, yes, lovely. Right. And so they, but they lived in this wholesome, natural way. They would gather. They'd have this thing called the thing where they would talk out conflicts, right? If there were conflicts among, you know, tribes members and, you know, if there was someone who needed something, they would come together and help support them. And so it was, it was all based around life. Life continuate. And I, I think I said this recently, like, if everything in, in society was built around the family, things would be so different. You know, there's another, there's this other Instagram person who is making videos about how everything is so close. Car centric, how you need a car to go literally anywhere, you know, and, and how she basically is in this neighborhood that she can't go to the market, she can't without taking her children. Well, one, putting her children in like a little bucket car seat that if the child doesn't like the car seat, what is the parent to do? It's like, I can't go anywhere delightful unless I put you in this car seat, child. But the, the child doesn't understand that because, you know, the biology of an infant is, is the village, right, where you're not getting put into a plastic cube and put in a car and driven, you know, hundreds of miles away or, you know, even 20 miles to go to, you know, the, this, this gathering of children. You know, the children were right down there. You could see them from your house. You're like, oh, all the kids are gathering over there. Let's go over that. We'll, we'll use our two feet and we're going to walk over there. But because again, this is an unbiological society, an illogical society, we put people far apart. You need a car in order to get anywhere. And the society isn't built around the family. It's not built around how do we, how do we optimize to make the moms feel the safest and the babies feel the safest and have them all safe. And because that's number one, right? We need safety more than anything. That's what the biology needs. The thing that initiates an adaptation program and is lack of safety. I might not be okay. I might need. And that's what turns on this biological survival strategy. Right. When you have that dhs, that conflict shock that catches you off guard, the biology says this is an unsafe environment. Right. We need to adapt these tissues in order to survive because there's a threat. So one, you know, all the men should come together and be like, how do we make it safest for these women and for these children? So they feel safe all of the time. Okay, what are the things that threaten the safety of mothers and babies? Let's make a list. What are we going to do about this one? What are we going to do about this one? How are we going to protect them from this one? If there was a lovely safe bubble, if every village or community, first and foremost, was geared around the safety and protection of children and mothers, then, then that would be. That would. That's how healthy societies are formed. And that the Germanic people, that's the way that they lived and everything, supported life in nature. And so that was the most important thing. The gold wasn't the most important thing. Right. So the, the monetary system, it's like, what do we need that? That was their feeling about the money. And it's like, what do we need that for? What, what are we going to do with this stuff? Can you eat this? Can you, you know, here's a gold coin. What can I do with this? I can't eat it, right? I can't plant it in the ground. I can't grow anything with it. So it didn't make sense to them. It wasn't something that they utilized because it was, you know, and they, again, they, they worshiped nature. They were seen as, oh, these, these pagans of the woods, you know, celebrating the, the season, celebrating, wow. The, the, this is the, you know, the harvest and these different periods of time in nature. Isn't it beautiful when all the, you know, all the trees grow, you know, all the flowers grow in the spring, and then everything goes back to the earth and dies in the fall, and then it all comes back again. Right? And this is. They lived where there were seasons, and so they were seasonal people. It's really quite beautiful. And that's why, again, this is Germanische Heilkunde, the Germanic healing knowledge. This is the healing knowledge that the ancient Germanic people who lived in harmony with nature, that they instinctively and intuitively knew and lived by. They resolved their conflicts, they protected their family. Right. They were very clear about territory. Right. Once you start digging into this work, you see how important. I mean, go back to our episode about territory and sexuality. Territory is very important, you know, but when you take the territory. And that's, you know, one of those fundamental conflicts, I think, with all men is they don't have any territory. You know, so automatically they're subjugated. They have nothing. You know, you will. You will own nothing, you know, if you. You don't. You don't own anything. You don't have any territory, any property. And so that causes this subjugation and that freedom. Better dead than a slave. It's a. It's a different way of living. It's a different way, different attitude towards life. Joel 01:17:40.390 - 01:17:40.830 It's. Yeasimos 01:17:40.830 - 01:18:13.510 It's also interesting to think about, like, fathers that have to travel for work and like, leave families and then like, the conflicts that that creates and because I hear that often, like, you know, a father will come back and then the child ends up, you know, having a cold or symptoms or whatever, even potentially the mother as well, because again, like, it's just. It's not biological. Like, would, would the father. Unless they're going to water war, I guess. But that isn't biological in a sense that they'd be going off for like a week, weeks at a time or months at a time. Like that would impact, you know, the, the psyches of the children and the wives. Melissa 01:18:13.750 - 01:19:18.200 Oh, certainly, yeah. I mean, that is. That's something Alan Watts actually talked about how it's really strange, this. Oh, father. Father leaves, he goes away and he does this thing called work. And it's all just kind of very mysterious, you know, like, and that is not how it's supposed to be. Like, from the age of about three, the boys really should be like, follow, like, what's dad doing? What is. How is he operating and living and doing life in the world? Right. But when he leaves and goes and does something mysterious and the children are home. Yeah. Again, I recently spoke with someone who was like, oh, yeah, every time he leaves for work, you know, the little boy would just cry and look at the door and cry and wonder, when's dad coming back? And you know that. Yeah. Like, a young boy would be going with, go with father and see what he does and learn how to, you know, develop your own territory and skills. You know, a man needs skills and he needs territory. And the earlier a young man can learn skills so that he can, you know, acquire his own territory. So the better. Because that's what's going to give him his masculinity. That's what's going to increase his testosterone. Joel 01:19:19.880 - 01:20:42.340 Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know, it's a very difficult for many men to create incomes that way. In. In the home, not leaving, etc. But, you know, like, instinctually, I kind of, like, before knowing Germany, medicine built my life this way because I felt like I never wanted to leave the house. I never wanted to leave. It doesn't make sense to leave Alyssa alone with the kids, you know, so I'm grateful for, you know, following that path and now being able to do what I do from the home. But it's. It's interesting again, because I feel like with Alyssa as well, she's really strong with her instincts about what feels right or wrong in her body. And like, even before this knowledge, it was just very firm knowings about how to kind of raise our family and. And build our life. So it has been. It has been quite affirming, you know, just hearing all this and knowing that. And even, like, with the car seating, like, please come get me. We've never used the car seat. It's never felt right. Like, even in Australia, where the laws are very strict, like, what if the baby's going to scream for 45 minutes on a drive and not have milk and not be nurtured and not be held? Like, no. What does that do? Like, you have to override so many instincts to kind of go through that process. And again, you know, one of the things I like about Mexico is that it's not really an issue. Like, families are traveling in the back of utes, you know, over here in the back of trucks. Yeasimos 01:20:42.980 - 01:20:58.180 And. And, like, you're doing it to keep the baby safe, of course, put it in the thing based on laws. But then are you keeping the baby safe because it's having conflicts likely, you know, it may be going through what it's going through. Yeah. This doesn't seem very biological and natural. Joel 01:20:58.500 - 01:21:00.100 No. Yeah, not at all. Yeah. Melissa 01:21:02.540 - 01:22:37.190 Like, just with the community in the village and. And, you know, the making of a living. How do you make a living, you know, in. And that. And it's so. Because we obviously have come so far, but just. It's kind of even cool to think about people's last names. Like, your surname used to be, like, what you did. Right. Like, you're a shoemaker or your. Your last name is baker. You're the baker. And that's what, you know, and so that's what the value you provide to the, you know, the community is. Oh, I. I bake the bread, and you, you know, do the. The blacksmithing, and you do all of these different things. And so it's. Yeah, it's very interesting to see. Like, what would a Reclamation or kind of a coming back to that, that village type of life in this technological age even look like for, for families where. Yeah, the. Yeah, I mean again, yeah, my dad, he had to go to work. He had to leave and be gone for half the day most of the, the day. You know, there were a few hours period, you know, when he was, you know, home and with us and you know, was that, did that serve everyone the best? Well, no, absolutely not. That was the way that you pay the bills to feed the mouths to make everything okay. But again, that wasn't taking into account the, the overall well being of everyone involved in minimizing conflicts. Again, if your dad is gone, that where's your protection, you know, if you don't know. And again, when we live in this. Not necessarily whenever, when you live with a lot of people that don't share your values, it's, it's hard to leave your door unlocked, you know, that kind of thing. And it's a different, different energy to the, the homes, to the communities, to the. When you are so different in your views of, of the world and life. Joel 01:22:37.430 - 01:23:04.230 Yeah, it's, it's funny with the last name thing, we're actually having this discussion in the community Friends of the Truth, the other day and my name, Rafidi, it literally translates to reject or to refuse. And over time Rafidi came to denote those who reject, often implying the censors, non conformists or heretics in the broader sense. And it's like I built pretty much everything by, you know, rejecting the status quo. So again, and here you are, Melissa selling GMs of the world. Melissa 01:23:04.470 - 01:23:06.790 Yes, good ideas. Yeasimos 01:23:08.070 - 01:23:21.110 So I guess anyone who has baker as their last name, they could be pretty confident that there was a baker in their lineage or smith last name. Yeah, of course, like the Blacksmith classic. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Joel 01:23:21.710 - 01:23:38.430 Hey, I want to ask you, what is your perspective of you or how do you relate to like this idea of evolution? Whether it's in a Darwinian sense, like obviously you talk about the different layers in German new medicine. So like what is your general perspective on evolution? Melissa 01:23:39.710 - 01:30:42.120 So that's a very interesting question because I, you know, was raised evangelical Christian where that word was just a. No, like immediate brain shutdown. That's not how it happened. Everything was kind of created, you know, all at once in this, in this different kind of way, you know. But as my, my views have changed and as I've kind of deeply pondered this, you know, the, the idea even that, you know, the infinite intelligence couldn't. Infinite intelligence have created all that is through an evolutionary process, you know, and because I believe in the, again, the life force, life force. So this is like vitalism is another principle of like the life force energy. So there's this thing that strives for more, more life, right? It's the thing, it's the power that makes the, the, the little plant grow through the, the crack in the cement right in the sidewalk. It's like, oh, there's, there's something that's striving for more life, life, more life, more life, more life. That's what it strives for. And so it wants to live in and it has to adapt, right? So this is this adaptation principle that is inherent to life. Life is going to try and try and try and keep trying and keep adapting. You know, it's like a numbers game. And so, you know, there is a couple of books that Science of Mind, I think, by Ernest Holmes and I like the way that is, it's described in there. Like, I, I do think that there is an evolutionary process of organisms striving for more life and having to adapt to circumstances, to changes in weather and seasons. And so I do think that there is a process by which organisms have adapted better and better and better and better. You know, so is that in a macro sense and like the, you know, dinosaurs and Darwin kind of way? I don't really think it's that because obviously there's so much of the, you know, psyop and you know, government control and again, shaping narratives so people believe certain things so that we can capture their mind in other ways. So I don't think it's in that sense, but I do think that there is, you know, an innate way in which organisms adapt intelligently to, to life. And I think that that adaptation process, you know, has continued and continued and continued. And so that is, that's my current view of it. And that's one, it's something I ponder a lot and I, and I like to read different perspectives of it. But the whole idea that, you know, there, there is no, you know, it didn't happen that way. Again, even just the way Dr. Hammer describes the different layers and the ring form of the brain stem, like the shape of this ring form is, you know, very much like this. There was a, a rupture of the gullet, he calls it. If you look at the brain stem and the way that the tissues are arranged, the way that the, the brain control centers are arranged, and it does represent like there's this gullet rupture. And you know, so it's very interesting. So the lining of your mouth, so the body is basically this tube, right? So we've got the tube of the mouth, one end, and we have the tube that ends at the rectum, that's the other end. And so the tissue types of the mouth and of the rectum, it's the same type of tissue. Isn't that interesting? And it's because we were this ring shape and then there was a rupture at the pharynx, at the gullet. And so the arrangement and organization of the brain stem holds this very primal blueprint for a very old archaic organism. And so that's how Dr. Hamer does describe, you know, that the, this ring form, everything in the brain stem, this is all the same program programming that a little organism that's living in the ocean. Right. That it had. Right. Because what does it need? It needs to process. There's an ingoing morsel. We need to process that morsel and then we get rid of it. Right? So it goes in the right side. And even so, the right sided endodermal adaptations are all about getting the morsel. So the right side of the tonsil, the right side of the, the thyroid, it's all about acquiring a morsel. And then the left side is all about eliminating the morsel. That's very much rooted in this, this archaic form. So this evolutionary development. And so, yeah, and then he talks about the meso, the new mes or the old mesoderm layer in the cerebellum, how that wasn't necessary when you're just floating in the ocean, right. It is only necessary on the land where you have, you know, you have greater exposure to, you know, the UV rays from the sun. You need a protective layer. And you need a protective layer because now instead of just being floating in water, you have, you know, there's stuff, there's rough ground that you're moving against. And so you needed this additional protective layer. And so the way that, you know, Dr. Hamer describes it, again, it's not in a Darwinian sense. It's in a nature sense. It's in a. This is how nature has designed. And again, there was this understanding of kind of, again, the grand intelligence or, you know, God. And again, the word God has just gotten so laden with connotation. And again, when you say God to someone, they automatically have a lot of assumptions of what that is. But when God to you just means nature itself and life and life force, and this, this urge within to create more and more Varieties, Right? Isn't it just so beautiful, like, to look at just all the varieties? You look at, like, siblings, you know, like Joel, and you look at your daughters. How cool is it that nature has remixed you and Alyssa and these three uniquely adorable ways? Yeah, right? Like, what is. What is that? That is the coolest thing, right? And so that's a little bit of you and a little bit of her and a little bit of all of your ancestors now in these little people that are going to go out and one day make more little people. And that's. That's nature. That's life. That's what's so cool and interesting, right? And so, yeah, my. My view of it is, Nate, life wants to life. Life is this game, right? Life is this game of beauty and symmetry. And so there's laws and patterns that govern everything underneath. And then it's like, yeah, go have fun with it, you know, and then there is this, you know, this urge that some people have to subvert and invert it and. And to, you know, override the laws of nature, to play God in this sense of, oh, look at. We made a baby using man DNA and just man DNA, and we put this baby in a sack and look, we grew it in a laboratory. Okay? Weirdos. Like, why are you doing that? You know, why are you trying to play in that way when you could just play in alignment with the laws of nature? And. But there's this. This instinct, I think, that some people have, or this, you know, adaptation that. Because they have had conflicts and they weren't protected and they had a bunch of, you know, constellations that cause them to want to do weird things and subvert nature. Joel 01:30:42.360 - 01:30:54.840 Yeah, no, thank you so much for that. It makes a lot of sense and resonates with me, for sure. I want to ask you a question because you did mention it, like, sibling rivalries and sibling conflicts. Can you speak into this from a. From a GNM lens? Melissa 01:30:55.480 - 01:30:57.160 Gosh, it's such an interesting question. Joel 01:30:57.400 - 01:31:02.430 Especially the ones closer in age. It's like, yeah, so I've got some. Melissa 01:31:02.430 - 01:32:49.230 Interesting theories about that, too. Just an observation in my own experience, you know, so in nature. And this came up in the biological woman course last week, I think, or the week before. In nature, a woman's pregnancies would be spaced three years apart. So there would be, you know, three years. So, yeah, I think. Would the baby be three or would it be after the birth? So it'd be about three. Yeah, two and a half to three years, I'm pretty sure. Is like the natural biological age of separation between siblings. I think three. So. But if it's shorter, you know, so one. Just in general, there's a child that's born, and that's. The child is the whole world of the parents, and then another one comes along. And so there is kind of this. This sibling rivalry. This. I was the whole world. Now you're here, Now I have to share. I even see it, you know, with my animals. And then there has to. As soon as there's more than one, there's a hierarchy, right? So that's where we, you know, have conflict and order, and we're trying to arrange things so, you know, minimize the conflict. But there's two parents, and now there's two children. And, you know, it's. It's part of life. It seems, you know, that there would be some measure of competing for attention. Attention and resources. Attention and resources. And. And. Yeah, but it would be about three years now when it's compressed, when we're not going that full three years, you know, then we're also getting into fighting for the resource of breast milk, you know, and so I have. This is interesting. It kind of veers into another cool topic that I've been exploring lately, which is. Well, actually, I found this around the same time I found GM back in 2017. The work of Dr. Mike Mew. Do you guys know Mew? Mewing? Yeasimos 01:32:49.310 - 01:32:51.150 Chewing. Is that, like the chewing thing? Melissa 01:32:51.150 - 01:34:14.070 Tongue exercise. So he's got this whole cool presentation about tongue posture. And I. My mind was blown. I was like, this is so cool and interesting. And he talks about forward facial growth and when the tongue is weak and how that doesn't allow for the most symmetrical and aesthetic face formation and how that has to do with your, you know, your health. And so he talks about how your tongue is supposed to be firmly planted in the roof of your mouth. And I was like, oh, this is making a lot of sense. And I started just exploring that. And recently, I have been doing myofunctional therapy, which are exercises to work on getting the tongue in the roof of your mouth. And the whole reason I bring this up is because, you know, there. There's another guy who's teaching this kind of work about expanding the palate. He does this thing called thumb pulling, like pushing up into the roof of the palate to kind of loosen the fascia there to help to widen and expand. Expand the roof of the mouth for the tongue posture to be improved. And he shared this picture of Andrew Tate and his younger brother, Tristan Tate. And he showed the way that they. They look. He looked. He showed their posture, their jaw formation. Um, and so the younger brother has a. Has a more prominent jaw, you know, a better tongue posture. And Andrew Tate, his is more soft and rounded. Joel 01:34:14.230 - 01:34:14.870 He's chinless. Melissa 01:34:15.510 - 01:36:14.300 Exactly. So he doesn't have, you know, a chin. He also has sloped shoulders. So we know there with the sloped shoulders from Dr. Hammer that that is a territorial conflict. And then also his. His feet kind of go out to the sides like this in his posture. And I looked up their. Their age difference, and they're only 19 months apart. And so Andrew's the older one, Tristan's the younger one. And, you know, so my theory, and I've observed this in my own life and family, that when the first child, you know, so that means that the child was only 9 months. 9, 10 months old when the mother got pregnant with baby number two. And so. And then by the time he was born, he's only 19 months, or. Yeah, he's only. They're 19 months apart, so he's only like 10 months. He's not even a year old. Basically. Basically before his baby brother came along and usurped his breast milk. And so if you're not getting that, what could that lead to? Tonsils and adenoids. And in my family, I'm 18 months younger than my older brother, and he, as a baby, as a young child, had his tonsils and adenoids removed. Well, what is that? I'm not getting my morsel right. Because a new baby was born right after me. I didn't get my full, you know, allotment of breast milk before you came and usurped it. Right. So there's the territorial conflict. We have the, you know, the shoulders, the posture. And then we also have the tongue posture. Because one of the things. And we've been the myofunctional therapist that I'm working with, we are brainstorming a, like, kind of a GNM myofunctional workshop to understand, like, what's the origin of the mouth breathing? You know, but if the child is having morsel conflicts and so there's swelling of the tonsils or swelling of the adenoids. I can't, you know, or I'm having stink conflicts. Right. So it stinks that I have this sibling. Why are you here? Joel 01:36:14.380 - 01:36:16.140 Don't see you on Mom's boob. Melissa 01:36:16.780 - 01:37:13.350 Right. This is annoying to me. I am fed up. I didn't sniff out this danger. And so my tonsils, my nose is all, you know, Stuffed up. My tonsils are really big. I have to breathe out of my mouth. And so is that the initiator of the mouth breathing, or at least one of them, you know, and so this is something that, you know, and they. And this is in Weston A. Price, you know, he found that when, you know, when people aren't eating the proper diets. And so, yes, the foods that a mother is eating, if she had her wisdom teeth removed and has only eaten a bunch of soft foods. Think again about that de evolution, okay? We don't need these teeth. We don't need this big, strong jaw anymore. And so if we don't need it, you know, nature does what makes sense. And so if it's not necessary, that can lead to changes in the physical structure of the children, you know, so again, the body is just listening to everything all of the time. Did I tell the story on here about the child that was born with two thumbs? Yeasimos 01:37:13.750 - 01:37:15.870 You may have, but I mean, this is. Melissa 01:37:15.870 - 01:37:36.840 This is, you know, people wonder, oh, why are babies, you know, born with things like that? It's like this. This is a really interesting story of this baby that was born with two thumbs. And, you know, the parents were asking, okay, like, what's the biological purpose? You know, fifth biological law. Nature only does what makes sense. Right? And so why would nature build, like, create two thumbs? Joel 01:37:36.920 - 01:37:38.440 Do you mean two thumbs on one hand? Melissa 01:37:38.840 - 01:37:42.360 Two thumbs on one hand? Okay, yes, there are two thumbs on one hand. Yeasimos 01:37:43.640 - 01:37:45.400 Two thumbs, like everyone has. Melissa 01:37:48.700 - 01:37:50.140 He does on one hand. Oh, my God. Joel 01:37:52.700 - 01:37:54.500 It could be on the head, it could be at the foot. Like, I don't know. Yeasimos 01:37:54.500 - 01:37:55.340 I get, I get it. Melissa 01:37:56.140 - 01:40:37.670 So, so the story is, is that during the gestation, so while before the mother even knew she was pregnant, they had gone on a skydiving trip. They were like avid skydivers. And while they were up there, there was some crazy turbulence. And they're not buckled in, right, because they're like getting ready to jump out of the plane. But there was some issue. And so they were desperately holding on tightly to their seat, right? Holding on as tight as they could. And it's like, okay, what would the function, you know, if you. If you had two thumbs instead of one, wouldn't you be able to hold on for your life better? Your wouldn't your grip be reinforced by having a second thumb? And so that is. That's the only. That's the connection that they made for. Why would this baby be born? So when the. Again, the brain is transmitting all of this information to the growing fetus hey, this is what's going on in this environment. That, that would be a reason that the body would develop a second thumb on one single hand to better grip. And so this is again, just back to the point of the body is always assessing what's necessary. What's necessary, what's necessary. And the body. And there's another beautiful Ayn Rand quote and it's about the beauty of like the human body and how the necessity of everything that's there rational and. Yes. And so she's like the body, it's only everything that is, is needed. Right. And so that's why we do love kind of the, the, the strong human physical form. Right? Like why, why is what's beautiful beautiful? Why is what's attractive? What's attractive? Well, that's. Because that is functional and it's. And what is health? Health is functionality. Health is, oh, I want to reproduce with the healthiest person. And so that's why all the weirdo beauty standards. And you know, this is beautiful and that's beautiful in kind of destruction of art and beauty is a destruction of humanity and mankind. Because not everything is beautiful, right? Not everything is beautiful in the same way, you know, symmetry and strength and you know, so when things are less than, it's like the brain automatically knows, right. You, but you have subjugated yourself to doctrines and ideologies and ideas about, oh well, it's not nice to think this about someone. But your biology is only doing what makes sense. Your, your biology and your innate kind of, you know, draw being drawn towards this and being drawn away from that, it just, you know, it's not, it's not mean, it's just nature because there is no good and bad. And you know, there's something, there's simply what makes sense in nature to, to continue life. And if we're going opposition of that, you know, part of your brain knows it, whether or not you are willing to acknowledge it. Joel 01:40:37.830 - 01:40:38.270 Yeah. Yeasimos 01:40:38.270 - 01:40:41.990 Yeah. Okay. I want to add something that Ayn. Joel 01:40:41.990 - 01:41:01.040 Rand quote, I love it. It's from Head about Howard Rourke, because he's an architect, he loves beauty, he loves symmetry. And she says, because the beauty of the human body is that it doesn't have a single muscle which doesn't serve its purpose. That there is not a line wasted, that every detail of it fits one idea. The idea of a man and the life of man. Yeasimos 01:41:02.960 - 01:41:21.890 That's amazing. Amazing only because I'm curious what you're going to say to this because you brought up the two thumb thing. There are people even Though it's very rare that have been born with two penises and, like, both. Like, both sexes. So, like, what is the. No, no, I'm curious. Like, what would be. Joel 01:41:21.890 - 01:41:23.690 I just wasn't expecting it. I was expecting it. Yeasimos 01:41:23.690 - 01:41:41.210 Yeah. No, no, but what would be, like, the life experience, like, they're trying to hold on for dear life for the two thumbs. But, like, I'm so curious what it would be for something like that where you have these, like, you know, rare occasions where there is an adaptation, where it's not just like, oh, I have a penis or a vagina, I have, like two. You know what I mean? Melissa 01:41:41.210 - 01:43:53.160 Right. No, and I've wondered the same thing. And definitely that would be something that we need to do. Do we need to do questionnaires for people whose children have been born with, you know, different. Both genitalia. Double genital. When there's something going on, there's always something in the story. Always, Always. That's the thing is that's everything about the garmatisha. It's like, what's the story of the individual? Right. We can't say on the whole, we have to say, what's the story of the individual. Something made sense in that biological organism to create that adaptation, to develop in that particular way because of the messages that it was receiving about what's necessary for life. Right? And so if we get mixed messages, right? So if there's, you know, the. The biology starts out one way and then there's a huge conflict, right, that can create adaptations. And so there's always a story. That would be the thing. And so I don't. I can't say I know exactly what it is, you know, that's not like, you know, two penises. I don't know if that came up often for Dr. Hamer in the brain scans, but. But yeah, I get what you're saying, and I think that that's been something that's fascinating. Yeah, super fascinating with everything. It's so fascinating, the stories, because another, you know, thing that we've been talking about with the myofunctional is a tongue tie. Tongue ties. This is like a huge, like, hot topic among holistic mothers because they're like, what's the deal with the tongue tie? Because I didn't want to have my baby Circumflex, but my baby doesn't seem to be able to nurse because their tongue is very firmly rooted to the bottom of their mouth through this tongue tie. And so they, you know, end up having to just out of desperation have like. Like either a cut or a laser to free up the tongue so that the baby can even eat. Right? And it's like, oh, how do you know? Why would the body do this? And so one of the things. And this is, you know, this is just a theory at this point, we need to do, you know, more research because this wasn't, you know, something that. That Dr. Hamer had, like, a specific conflict for. But again, when you're just thinking practically, when you know the laws, you're able to just kind of, you know, use logical deduction. Okay. What does the tongue do? Tongue is used for speaking. Tongue is used for eating. Right? Those are the two main functions. So something about speaking, something about eating. This is connective tissue, you know. So pop quiz. What tissue layer is that? Yeasimos 01:43:54.280 - 01:43:57.400 Connective tissue. Is it active? Joel 01:43:58.190 - 01:43:58.390 No. Yeasimos 01:43:58.390 - 01:44:02.510 I don't know. I need to study. It's been a while. Joel 01:44:03.150 - 01:44:04.430 Come on. You're asking us. Melissa 01:44:04.430 - 01:44:06.510 Eight. Eighth time. Come on, Joel. Joel 01:44:08.350 - 01:44:14.830 I was. Yeah, I was actually asking Chatgpt your assimilator's question about the double penis. Yeasimos 01:44:15.310 - 01:44:16.990 Why are you obsessed with two penises, bro? Joel 01:44:17.390 - 01:44:34.350 In the symbolic language of the body, the genitals represent creation, reproduction, potency, lineage. So a duplication here might suggest an ancient or prenatal biological overcompensation. For example, I must ensure the continuation of life. I must be doubly capable of creating or asserting life. One example, potentially. Melissa 01:44:35.230 - 01:44:36.670 So it's the new mesoderm. Yeasimos 01:44:36.990 - 01:44:37.630 Gotcha. Melissa 01:44:37.790 - 01:47:39.210 From the cerebral medulla. And so that is the theme of self devaluation. And so it's like, okay, what kind of conflict? So during gestation. So if the baby is born with a tongue tie, at what point during gestation? And we looked it up, and I think it was like, around 13, 13 weeks. 13 or 14 weeks. I'll have to look it back up again when. So the tongue, it goes through this apoptosis. So, like, the tongue forms and then that tissue is supposed to die. It's supposed to completely release underneath the tongue, but it. But in these cases, it doesn't. And so it stays connected, rooted to the bottom of the mouth, which makes it again, the tongue isn't pushed up into the palate. We can't fully nurse. And so what happens around that time is, you know, we were like, okay, what kind of conflicts could the mother had? You know, there's a bit of a taboo about, oh, don't tell anyone you're pregnant until you're out of the first trimester. Right. For fears of, you know, losing baby, a miscarriage you know, so you don't want to have to go through that. So if the woman is feeling like, I can't speak about my pregnancy, and so it's like, oh, if there's, I'm, I'm devaluing, I can't speak about my pregnancy. And then the other part of the theory is about eating because there's a lot of things they say, oh, now that you're pregnant, you can't eat this and you can't eat that. And this is, you know, this. You don't want to eat all of these different foods. You got all these food restrictions. And so between not being able to speak about the pregnancy and not being able to eat certain things, that's our working theory for, you know, why the, the tongue would stay rooted or why you would have a tongue tie. And the degree to which, you know, and this has been anecdotally confirmed through several mothers that I've spoken to about their pregnancies and about their babies tongue ties and about different pregnancies where they, one they felt freely able to speak, another one where they, you know, oh, the especially. So again, if a mother is maybe embarrassed that she's pregnant again so soon after her first, right? And she's like, oh, I don't want to tell anybody that I'm pregnant again. And so that being a potential factor. And so, you know, we're, we're kind of putting the pieces together and figuring things out. And again, people, people share in the comments. This is something that we really need to gather more data of, like, where do you have a tongue tie? Does your child have a tongue tie? Well, can you think of potential conflicts related to speaking or eating? And so, yeah, so these are all just very interesting. Again, the body only does what makes sense. And that's why this is just like an infinitely fascinating topic that we can just talk about forever. Because, you know, body only does what makes sense. Everybody has a unique story and perception, right? Everybody is born into different circumstances and, you know, different levels of biological alignment with nature, right. Or divorce from. From nature. And so we're all just, you know, figuring things out as we go along and doing what makes sense. And so it's. So that's why it's so cool to have this toolbox, to have this, have this. This is a compass that's going to guide you through life. This understand the tissue layers and to understand what it means about you as an organism and about you biologically. And it's just, it's so incredible. Joel 01:47:39.450 - 01:47:40.730 Yeah, it is. Truly? Yeasimos 01:47:41.210 - 01:48:14.060 Yeah. It's interesting too, like, because I think with some people with G M, they can approach it like, well, I know myself, or I've done work. I've done the work. But things are happening at such a subconscious level, this, like, organismic level, that, like, you're not, you know, you're not aware of every single thing that's happening, happened in your life 30 years ago, 40 years ago. Like. Like, it's just. And so I feel like it's so dismissive to just be like, oh, well, I've worked on that thing. And so it must be some other reason why I have these symptoms. You know what I mean? Joel 01:48:14.220 - 01:48:14.860 Yeah. Right. Melissa 01:48:14.860 - 01:49:21.970 Yeah. I mean, it's easier to blame it on something unseen than something that. Yeah. That I just currently haven't yet seen. You know, that's. And it's easier to. Obviously, it's always going to be easier to point to an external stuff. Scapegoat, you know, to. To look at the nutrition. To look, you know, because these are the obvious things. And again, you can't blame a person because they're. They're so used to looking at the external. The thing that's happening in me is because of that thing outside, you know, overlooking entirely this very ancient and wise brain computer that's just been assessing everything since the moment you were conceived. And. And just bringing in all of this information about how do I stay alive, how do I stay alive? How do we adapt? How do we. We stay alive, how do we adapt? How do we stay alive? Right. And if something got programmed way back a long time ago about the way that we adapt and we stay alive is to, you know, automatically run this program when we eat that food because that food was associated with this conflict. I mean. Yeah, so that's where you cut the food out and you're like, oh, I'm. I'm cured because of that bad food. It's like, no, it's fine that you cut it out, but it's because that food for you represents a conflict track. It's not because there's something inherent in the food that's bad. Joel 01:49:22.050 - 01:49:24.370 Yeah. Do you have time for a final question? Melissa 01:49:25.170 - 01:49:26.890 I do. I have just a few minutes. Yeah. Joel 01:49:26.890 - 01:49:35.170 Okay. Does German new medicine say anything, or did Dr. Hama say anything? Or does it give us any hints about life after death? Melissa 01:49:36.370 - 01:50:28.490 No, it was exclusively about, you know, biological. Like, you know, Dr. Hamer, he had degrees in all sorts of different things in. In philosophy and theology. And so, you know. But his. The system of the five biological laws and the germ layers, you know, it didn't, it didn't deal with matters, you know, and that's why also, you know, in Dr. Hamer's just his, the strict purist Germanica is to look at the biology and life, you know, not even looking at, you know, ancestral, you know, he looks at the biological organism. How does this organism have this adaptation? Well, it came through their brain, right. They had this conflict and this is. And so that's, you know, within the system there isn't, you know, any discussion really of, you know, life after death or even the, you know, there's. Obviously there's a story there, but that was, that's not the concern of this particular body of work. Joel 01:50:28.810 - 01:50:29.370 Thank you. Yeasimos 01:50:30.250 - 01:50:33.530 Any, any final words that you'd like to share with our audience? Melissa 01:50:34.090 - 01:50:43.460 Love you guys so much and it's so fun to have these chats and I've just enjoyed this immensely and keep doing your thing and you know, I, I just. Yeah, it was really fun. Yeasimos 01:50:43.700 - 01:50:45.620 Cool. Thank you so much. We love you. Joel 01:50:45.860 - 01:50:46.220 Yeah. Yeasimos 01:50:46.220 - 01:50:48.020 And can't wait for this episode to come out. Joel 01:50:48.180 - 01:50:54.180 Yeah, no, it's absolutely mutual. Thank you so much. Where. Where would you like to point out people at this point in time? Melissa 01:50:55.940 - 01:51:40.140 Well, in the new year, I'm thinking about doing a very basics class, a very basic, you know, learn the five biological laws and so you can come check that out. Natasha and I will be doing another biological woman in 2026. And so that is, we're about five weeks in right now and it's just full of aha moments for the ladies. I mean, this is again, this toolkit of knowledge that was like, oh, we should have known this a very, you know, our whole lives, women and, you know, understanding your adaptations when it comes to your reproductive system and female related conflicts. And so that I really recommend that, you know, at some point ladies that are into this work jump into that class. But yeah, and then just come visit me on Instagram. Joel 01:51:40.460 - 01:52:05.860 Amazing. Thank you so much. As. As always, that's number eight with Dr. Melissa Cell in the books. What an absolute privilege to sit down with you every single time. We appreciate it, our audience appreciates it. And just the alignment between here for the truth and gnm, the community becomes more and more stronger and obvious as. As time progresses. So. Yeah, love you too. Always mutual. Appreciate you. Everyone else, thank you for listening and take care of.