Jordan Sather The Shadow Civil War: Q, Epstein & the Battle Beneath the Surface

Joel 00:00:02.480 - 00:00:24.640 Jordan SATA is a truth seeker, content creator and entrepreneur who's been speaking truth to power online for 10 years through his YouTube channel, destroying the Illusion, his health brand Conscious Strength and his other social media channels. He's amassed hundreds of thousands of followers, produced documentaries and spoken at dozens of spiritual and political conferences over the years. Jordan, welcome to Here for the Truth. Jordan 00:00:25.610 - 00:00:27.290 Good to see you guys man. Thank you for having me on. Joel 00:00:27.530 - 00:00:47.450 Nah, pleasure man, for sure. One way we always like to kick off these conversations with first time guests is we kind of want to explore your personal hero's journey a little bit. So I mean what are some of the major, I guess catalyzing moments or major rites of passage that you think led to the evolution of the path that you kind of see yourself on today? Like how did you get to this point? Jordan 00:00:48.170 - 00:02:40.250 Oh man, what a good question. And I don't think I've been asked that for a while. So I'm gonna have to go through the memory banks here to remember. You know, when I was young, in elementary school, middle high school, I was always a questioner and thinking even about the existential things of life, of our reality. I was reading Carl Sagan books and I remember in high school I'd watched the Zeitgeist documentary and that was a big, that was a big red pill for me. But at the time I was really interested in the astro theological portion which was the first third of Zeitgeist. And I didn't really care or look much into the other two acts of that Zeitgeist film which was the Federal Reserve and what was the other one, 9, 11 I think the other portions of Zeitgeist. So I was just interested in the astro theology and, and the religious talk of it. And then after school I went to a state university for a year party, drank too much, flunked out, went back home and while I was going to community college I got a job at a local health food supplement store. And while I was at that store, some of my co workers, managers there, they were pretty based, they were pretty red pilled and they were opened me opening me up to the ideas of geoengineering and showing me some other documentaries and of course working at a health food store, you know, I was learning all about big Pharma. So that, that was really it, that was probably what I would classify as the first defining awakening moment was just having my mind open up to big pharma. Fluoride vaccines, suppressed cancer treatments, alternative healing and all of that. And I was so curious when Was. Yerasimos 00:02:40.250 - 00:02:41.450 This around when was this around? Jordan 00:02:41.530 - 00:02:42.810 This is about 2011. Joel 00:02:43.210 - 00:02:43.770 Okay. Jordan 00:02:43.850 - 00:06:00.610 Yeah, yeah, 2011. Okay. So yeah, it was about 2008, I think. I watched Zeitgeist 8 or 9. And then 2011 was when I really started diving into everything and researching big pharma. I was looking at the history, looking at the, you know, Rockefeller medical system, the Carnegie's that did their Flexner report. And I started tracing our healthcare system here in this country back to the industrialists of 100 years ago. And then that took me down other rabbit holes. Well, these industrialist banker families, also involved in creating the Federal Reserve, also involved in the whole oil system, which suppressed energy technologies. And I got diving into Nikola Tesla and everything, man. It was, it was rocky at that point. 2011, 2012, and at that point as well. You know, that was before we had a lot of podcasts like yours out there talking about truth and before we had social media and all these channels, the whole alternative media sphere. So that was rough, man. I didn't have anybody in my life to talk to about these things. Not much to find online. Everything back then was like obscure blogs and websites. Did not have all the social media research that we have these days. So a few years there was pretty tough. And I worked there for a while, that health food store. I bounced around to a couple other jobs, personal training and working for a chiropractor. But it got to a point in about late 2016 where I was just really bored. I think I was working at a powerlifting gym, personal training, and I was really bored. And I was far more interested in all of these just hardcore conspiracy theories about the world. So it got to a point where I kind of quit the job. It was like a mutual breakup at that job. They figured, yeah, you're just, you're more interested in this other stuff. And you know, I wasn't having many clients, so I, I left that job and I went full bore into creating a YouTube channel. And that's what the Destroying the Illusion channel came to be. And that was at the point as well of the WikiLeaks emails. And those WikiLeaks emails were, were big for me in just giving me the inspirational motivation to report the truth about them. Because of course the mainstream media were either ignoring it or just totally lying to us about it. So I was. And actually, funny thing about this WikiLeaks email is the first thing that I saw in John Podesta's WikiLeaks emails was not the food code words, but it was all of the UFO Talk, Zero point energy, speaking about UFO disclosure, all those things in Podesta's emails. And I'm like, what the hell are they? What are they planning, right? And it took me a few days to realize, oh, there's food code words in here, too. And then I kind of pieced some ideas together about it maybe we could talk about later. But that's one of the things that catalyzed me to. To start that YouTube channel and speak about those things. And also the presidential election, the whole Russiagate stuff, just all the fake news that was going real hard at the end of 2016, early 2017. So. Yeah, man. And then over the last nine years now, it's been, dude, a hell of a ride. Hell of a ride. Joel 00:06:01.250 - 00:06:18.500 Appreciate that, man. I want to kind of ask, like, how does your head of your family kind of perceive you, like, during these times, during you going down these rabbit holes? Like, what were some of those relationships like? Were they supportive? Were they like, this guy's crackhead? What was that experience? Jordan 00:06:20.180 - 00:07:23.660 Yeah, it was miserable at first for sure. I lost, you know, romantic relationships. Some ex girlfriends thought I was nuts. And with my family, they probably thought I was nuts, too. Really didn't come up at the dinner table or anything. But back 12, 13, 14 years ago, oh, yeah, it was. It was definitely rough. But over the last. Probably five to six years, especially since COVID right? Covid was a big red pill for a lot of people. But I've had a lot of people come back around, either apologize to me or those that didn't criticize me, they just kind of stayed quiet. They've come out of the woodwork and have been like. Like just a. Last week, I had a second cousin message me. He's like, dude, you got to come to the family reunion this year, man. We want to talk to you. So, yeah, over the past few years, it's been a lot better. But at the beginning, oh, God, it was. It was miserable. Well, it's. It's. Yerasimos 00:07:23.660 - 00:07:40.140 It's cool. At least they're like, you got to come so we can talk to you. Because they're probably implying they want to hear things about it. But a lot of people, especially, like post 2020, a few years after, they just kind of like, like, creep back into your life, start liking your posts again, saying hello, there's like, no conversation. It's like, oh, hey, how you doing? How you been? Jordan 00:07:40.940 - 00:07:46.380 They try to act like they didn't think you were crazy all those years, but you're like, yeah, you did. I know. Yeah, you Did. Yerasimos 00:07:46.780 - 00:08:05.580 Did you find that, like, your personal evolution, like, in the beginning? Because I can only think back to my own journey in the beginning. You're like, everyone needs to know these things. I need to have these conversations. I need to tell people. And then you come to this place where ultimately, like, you just do your thing, and if people are into it, they're into it. And they're not. They're not. Like, I'm curious what your relationship to that journey is. Jordan 00:08:05.900 - 00:09:28.900 Yes, dude, that exact thing. I remember the first few years, I was so. You know, I was only 20, 21, 22. So I was young, dumb, and full of cum, as they say. And. And I was just so excited. You got to learn this, right? You're trying to force it down people's throat. And. And as you grow up and mature, realize that, you know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. Yeah, granted, you can try to persuade the horse that they're thirsty and they need to dunk their head in that water, but you still can't force them. So you become more diplomatic and tactful in your approach, in your persuasions, and you understand that you can try to plant seeds, but it's up to them to, I guess, garden those seeds and have them. Have them bear fruit. And it could take time. It could take years even. So, like you said, just do your thing, right? Just do your thing. And then hopefully those seeds that you plant will bear fruit someday. But at the same time, we as the people trying to plant those seeds have to detach from that, because in some people, that might never happen. And you can't have the expectation. You can't be emotionally tied to their journey. You can help. You can be, you know, you can have faith in them, hope for them, but you have to sort of be detached from it because, who knows? It's their journey. Joel 00:09:29.220 - 00:09:52.590 Yeah. I've heard from a number of people that I think, including Bernard also, like, you are, like, one of the most, like, banned people on the Internet. Like, you've had YouTube channels taken down. People have posted episodes with you on Spotify. Then those episodes, like, go missing, etc. Like, what's. Is. Is that true? Like, what's your experience with that? Jordan 00:09:53.310 - 00:10:31.680 Do. Do I have my list here of all the platforms? It's been at least 25, 30 of them by now, but I don't know if we have time to go down the list. The. The first one was. Well, the first political one was YouTube in 2018. They took my channel down Twice. And I fought to get it back and got it back twice. So it is weird story about how that happened, but so I had the channel banned twice, got it back twice. And then of course, Covid was terrible. So you said you guys lost your channel too around then? Yeah, YouTube. YouTube. Joel 00:10:31.920 - 00:10:39.940 We lost tick Tock. We. I mean, we had massive suppression on Instagram as well during those years, which seems to be better now. But, you know, we all, we all got that. Jordan 00:10:40.900 - 00:10:55.940 Oh yeah, I love Instagram now. Instagram's awesome now. But it was not back then. So the day the Hunter Biden laptop story dropped October 15, 2020, was the day that YouTube nuked hundreds of channels. Joel 00:10:56.100 - 00:10:56.540 Wow. Jordan 00:10:56.540 - 00:13:21.570 Hundreds of channels. Pretty much everybody talking about Q or Pizzagate or Epstein, like the hardcore stuff. But a lot of other channels got roped into that. And it was that same week, about three weeks before the 2020 election, right around Hunter Biden laptop story, where I lost Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all of it. And then not just the social media pages, but they came after us financially too. So lost PayPal, Cash App, Venmo Patreon, all the podcast platforms. Lost Spotify, bunch of others, I can't remember right now, Discord. So that was all within the span of about a week. And in, in total, it was probably 7,800,000 followers on all those platforms and accounts. Had about a hundred thousand on Facebook, 100,000 on Instagram, like 250 on YouTube. So that was, that was rough. That was incredibly difficult. And I kept going. I migrated to the alternative platforms, went over Rumble for videos, went over to Telegram for text message posting. And some people didn't, though. Some people gave up, you know, and hats off to them, everybody's got a different journey. Some people sort of just quit the alternative media, social media sphere and went to focus on, I don't know, their families, their lives, doing other things. But some of us did migrate, keep going. And it was a struggle there during the, you know, sort of the height of COVID or the Biden years. 20, 21, 22, I think it was 23, where Elon bought Twitter. So we were able to get, I was able to get Twitter back. And then over the last year, I think this is due to Trump's class action lawsuit that he filed against Google and Facebook in that that's what caused those CEOs to cave. And that's why we see less censorship on Instagram now. Right. So I think it was right after Trump was inaugurated about a year ago, Mark Zuckerberg went to the White House and it was right after that he announced that, oh, we're gonna stop censoring so much on Facebook and Instagram. And then, yeah, we all got our YouTube channels back about six months ago, back in October 2025. So I think it was that class action lawsuit that forced them to bend the knee and stop banning us so much. Joel 00:13:21.730 - 00:13:31.170 So funny. Zuckerberg all of a sudden now post that period. Has like a fresh haircut, like wearing gold chains. Is UFC fighter, you know, is super based somehow like, all right, buddy. Jordan 00:13:31.250 - 00:13:32.850 Totally trying to rebrand himself. Joel 00:13:33.010 - 00:13:59.580 Yeah, cool, man. Well, you mentioned some key topics we definitely want to explore and get an overview of here. Being Q. Pizzagate Epstein, three words, which we probably couldn't have said at all, you know, three years ago, yet now are such, you know, mainstream topics being spoken about on multiple platforms in big ways. I want to pass it to you. What's the best way to kind of start piecing this story together? Is it with Q first? Jordan 00:14:00.620 - 00:22:30.330 Oh, God, it depends. I would think with let's start with Pizzagate. So if anybody is completely unfamiliar, I would suggest a documentary called out of Shadows produced by Mike Smith and Liz Crokin. And you can find that on Rumble Bitchute. I don't know if that's on YouTube. You can find it on Twitter X or whatever you want to call that these days. But that documentary does a great job piecing together the Podesta emails and some of the very dark things. And it kind of ties into what we're learning about with Epstein as well. With. With Epstein. Ben Swan has always done great investigative journalism. I mean, Ben Swan did a great report on Pizzagate in 2017, right after Podesta's emails came out. And Ben Swan was, at the time, he was working at a local CBS station in the Atlanta area, I believe. And somehow he was able to get a quick 10 minute segment about Podesta's emails and the food code words and the symbolism of comet ping pong. Like basic Pizzagate things, but really pushing the envelope for the mainstream normie audience. And Ben Swan was able to get this 10 minute, 10 minute segment aired on a local CBS station. And it was, it was a great segment. And then he got shit canned for it and fired from his job. He went dark from the Internet for two, three years, but he popped back up and he's got his own independent truth in media organization he calls it now. So he's been doing great. Now that we're getting Epstein back in the news, he's been doing great investigations on not Just Pizzagate, but Epstein as well. So I would say those two information nodes, out of Shadows documentary, and then Ben Swan's reporting for Pizzagate and Epstein Q's kind of different Q's. There's no, like, official resource other than going directly to Q's posts themselves to read about it, which you can read Q's posts on websites such as Q Alerts App, Q Alerts App, or there's a couple other one qag News, I believe. But I usually go to Q Alerts that URL, so you can read Q's post there. But it's very difficult to kind of understand some of them, especially for somebody unfamiliar with anything going and reading Q's post, because Q's posts were from October 2017 to December 2020, and a lot of them are kind of specific to the events that were happening at that time. And, you know, just kind of for people completely unfamiliar with Q, basically what we've ascertained it to be is some kind of information dissemination program that was being ran by some kind of military intel or white hat insiders around Trump during his first administration. Similar to how the deep state has shadow advisors, you know, like puppet presidents Clinton, Obama, Bush, they have shadow advisors, shadow government behind them. I always think the same thing of Trump. Right. He probably has shadow advisors. Now this is, you know, going with the assumption that Trump is a good guy trying to do a good thing and not a deep state or New World Order puppet. But I've always kind of likened it to, well, Trump's probably got some shadow advisors around him. You know, it's not him making all the decisions, it's the people around him advising him. And no doubt there's people in the shadows who don't put their name and face out there who are helping him. So Q, I think, was that voice of some of those patriots within the government, military intelligence community who were just trying to create a back channel to go around the mainstream media and also to go around a lot of the nonsense and clowns and shills in the alternative media and just speak to the American public through drops on the Internet that they ended up calling Q. And this does a few strategic things. Number one, helps wake the public up so you can put information, questions, ideas into those posts that the whole world sees. So the public will research certain things. Like, for instance, the first time in Q's post they ever mentioned Epstein was in 2017, November 2017. So. And they were talking about pedo, Satanism and his temple being a cult and other things in 2017. So those of us following Q's posts were opened up to these ideas well before many people are now here in 2026. So I was, you know, eight, eight and a half years ago and I, and I was the, I was the first person on the Internet to make videos about Q in October 2017. So that's one, that's one reason my channel blew up so fast there at the end of, the end of that year was I was like the only person sort of reading or decoding, assessing these posts. I won't go too long here. I'll finish up quick. But yeah, basically does a few strategic things. Helps wake the public up. Also they can put disinformation into those posts because of course the bad guys are going to be reading them too. So that's why it's kind of tough to just read through the drops and assess them because some of them might be sort of disinformation purposely put in there counterintelligence to throw any deep state or person off or what have you. And then it just became kind of, it's the post sort of evolved over the years. Kind of became more of a community building sort of cheerleading movement or the post became more of like inspirational and motivational once people started figuring out what was going on and they became sort of very popular in 2020 or so. But yeah, as far as we know, there's been no posts since December 2020. So it's pretty interesting to see in recent years you have Trump on Truth Truth Social still posting memes with Q symbolism and related phrases on them. It's as if he's still sort of hat tipping the movement or the idea after all these years. And also one last thing to speak on about this in that you often have the mainstream media when they want to attack Q, either the mainstream media or useful idiots or ignorant people or shills in the alternative media. What they'll often do is use the QAnon strawman and they'll attach totally fake ideas that have nothing to do with Q's post. Ideas like JFK Jr is alive and all the deep staters have been tribunaled in Gitmo and what we're seeing now are clones and all of these really retarded narratives. Because what we've had over the years is a lot of clickbait clowns and probably knowing shills injected into the Q movement to spread those ideas. JFK Jr's alive, tribunals are going on, Biden's a clone, actors, all this stuff. And that was a very purposeful PSYOP done to poison the well and create this strawman that the mainstream media and alt media can attack. And then people out there with no understanding what's going on, they then falsely associate these things with Q's posts. Meanwhile, in Q's posts they specifically told us, no, the earth's not flat, no JFK jr's not alive. No, you know, it's, it's very. When you actually read Q's post, it's very down to earth. It's not this wacky conspiracy clickbait as I've been calling it about the JFK junior Stuff and all that. So to totally, you know, it's very important to clarify the straw man that's been set up that people think is Q, not Q at all. So two very different things. Yerasimos 00:22:31.210 - 00:22:36.360 Hey Jordan, what, what are your thoughts in regards to like why they stopped in 2020? Joel 00:22:37.160 - 00:22:39.000 That's when the election was lost, wasn't it? Jordan 00:22:39.640 - 00:27:07.110 Yeah, I think they knew that the 2020 election was going to be rigged to a point to where Trump was going to lose it. Air quotes for anybody listening with audio. I think they knew that, yeah, the 2020 election was just going to be so rigged and so messed up that they were going to have to sort of stop the operation at that point for during the Biden years. Although I will say, I think before Trump left office in 2021, I do think there was some continuity of government plans put in place at a classified level. You could call them, some people call them presidential Emergency action documents, PEDs. I do think there were certain things Trump signed to sort of decentralize some powers away from the White House. So when Joe Biden was in office for those years, there was only so much they could do. So I think there were some cog plans put in place by Trump, but that doesn't mean Trump was acting president. That doesn't mean Trump was making decisions while Joe Biden was publicly president. Or you get some of these narratives sort of put out there on social media that Trump was the true commander in chief. I don't think that was the case. I think that there were just some cog plans put in place before Trump left in 2021 to not let everything go to shit while Joe Biden, his cronies were in the White House. And then come 2024 in that election, it was going to be unriggable. Like there's going to be so many people that were just sick of Joe Biden not wanting Kamala in there woken up by Covid and all the woke stuff and whatever else was going on a few years ago that they weren't going to be able to rig 2024 enough. And we had, we had a few election security laws passed in some of these states as well. So there were some things done. But now, yeah, now we have Trump back in office and who knows, who knows if they'll ever post as Q again. I go back and forth with the idea that we'll ever get Q's posts again. On one hand, maybe the movement has been so infiltrated by that garbage clickbait that it's worth just not bringing it back up. Maybe the well has been so poisoned that it wouldn't be a good idea to reignite Q's post. But on the other hand, maybe with the mainstream media being so compromised. But here's the thing, right? And this is, this is what's been an issue, a blessing and a curse over the last few years is that we now have so many people realizing the mainstream media is full of shit and they're just propagandists that they're moving away to social media for their news, which is a great thing. I love to see people question authorities, but social media is just such a mess with a variety of problems. Controlled opposition, alt media, people who dress themselves up as disclosure, truth seeking patriots, meanwhile they're probably clowns or feds. You've got a lot, you've got a lot of just people who are straight up grifters. Like they don't care what they say as long as they can get an get an audience and sell some stuff, get some clicks for themselves and other issues as well, but mainly those two. Because of that, maybe, maybe it would be a good idea to reignite Q's posts again to sort of act as a laser pointer and focus people's attention. Let us know as to some things as what's going on behind the scenes. Sort of be that back channel again to go around. Not just the mainstream media this time, but especially the alternative media, who knows? I don't know. You know, I will say with Trump continuously giving sort of hat tips on his true social account to the Q movement, if you will, sometimes I lean more towards, yeah, maybe we'll see Q's post again. Maybe the story's not finished and it's kind of, they leave us hanging like that, right? Just like stop the post in December 2020 and what is the story done now? I mean, come on. So who, who knows? I don't know. Joel 00:27:07.910 - 00:27:09.990 It feels like it did its job though. Jordan 00:27:10.070 - 00:27:11.230 And you know what the interesting thing. Joel 00:27:11.230 - 00:27:48.400 To me is like in hindsight, those four years that Joe Biden served in between the Trump terms, they kind of were like, what fortified the collapse in people's minds of how retarded the leftist governments are, you know, and it almost feels as though if Trump won in 2020, like it wouldn't be as it is now. It's almost like this theater that took place for four years where the, the last bit of debris around, you know, this is, any level of competence that exists on this side of government is there, was just decimated during those four years. Jordan 00:27:49.360 - 00:30:17.710 100%, man. If we're going to talk about influence operations, that was one of the best ones right there, right? The whole Joe Biden White House and all that clown show that was going on woke people up dramatically and it was amazing. But now we're dealing with sort of the corruption within the conservative side of the aisle. And you know, you got a lot of people moving away from the Democrat side of things and they're either going just full independent, which is great. I'd honestly rather have that because I'm sick of this whole left, right political duality nonsense. But some of them are going like, oh, I'm conservative now. But you still get people stuck in this tribalistic, like, what label are you? I'm liberal. Oh, I'm conservative. Well, for me, I'm like, yeah, I have some conservative leaning social ideologies, but I guess there's a few of my ideologies you could classify as liberal. Like I think, I think pot should be legal. I don't like the way these states are legalizing it. I think they're doing it ass backwards. But I'm like, for freedom, right? If people want to grow a pot plant in the backyard or smoke it on their back porch, let them do it. You could say, oh, you're having libertarian ideologies. But still that's like the need for a label, right? So it's, it's still this sort of duality dynamic. And we have, because the Republican Party is in power and government, you've got a lot of clowns and grifters and just self interested politicians in the Republican side of things. You know, I think when you look at what some of Trump has done even since his first term, over the last eight, nine years, it's been done not just to expose the Democrats, but expose the Republican clowns as well. And that's kind of one reason why I still kind of like him after all these years, is that he's just shaking up Both sides of the aisle. But, yeah, who knows? You know, like you said, maybe it's run its course. Maybe they don't need to bring the Q's post back up because it was a Trump term 1.0 thing and it's done its job. But sometimes I think that maybe there's still a job it could do. So who knows? I don't know. The future. We'll see. Yeah. Yerasimos 00:30:17.710 - 00:30:37.120 Hey, Jordan, was there any time during this whole process where you, like, questioned, like, question the two, the cute thing in terms of, like, things aren't happening as I thought they would happen or expected them to happen, and, like, did you kind of go back on things that you originally believed or speculated? I'm curious, you know, your journey with all this knowledge and information. Jordan 00:30:37.920 - 00:32:20.340 Yeah. So when I first came across the posts in 2017, I was reporting on them almost right away, just a couple of days into it on my YouTube channel. But it did take me a couple of months to really become sold on the idea that these were posts being ran from, like, good guys and not some shill psyop. Because even before that, we had had supposed insiders posting on 4chan and websites. Like, there was one called. What did she go by? FBI's Meganon, I think she called herself. And that was a few months before Q. And you. You've had a couple other supposed government insiders take to these websites over the years to supposedly leak information or intel as to what's going on behind the scenes. So it was a hard sell for me at first, but when what sold me on the QSpost is just the vast nature of. Of how many different things they were posting on Federal reserve questions about 9, 11, even talking about secret space programs in a few posts. And just. It was so vast. We had never seen posts by a supposed insider be really that vast before and also be framed in the Socratic questioning sort of way that Q's posts were framed and also all the proofs that kept coming in. So Q would post something in that exact phrase, Trump would make a tweet about just a few minutes later, and this would happen over and over and over again to a point of, like, mathematical impossibility. Joel 00:32:21.060 - 00:32:30.340 Wasn't that one time where someone was like, if this is really Trump in the White House, then get Trump to say this word during a speech, and then, like, it was the most random word and then he said it. Jordan 00:32:30.660 - 00:32:32.180 It was the word tippy top. Joel 00:32:32.420 - 00:32:32.900 Tippy top. Jordan 00:32:32.900 - 00:33:02.750 That's right. Yeah. That was at the beginning of 2018. So it was in Like March, that. I think an anon on 8chan at that point where Q was posting and Anon in the boards asked, have Trump say the phrase tippy top. And then a few weeks later, it was during the Easter ceremony at the White House, Trump was giving a quick speech at the microphone with the Easter Bunny right next to him. And it was so weird. Just kind of tippy top. He brings up like mid sentence. Joel 00:33:03.070 - 00:33:05.350 Yeah, we're in tippy top shape or something like that. Jordan 00:33:05.350 - 00:33:41.110 Yeah, we're in tip top shape. Some would say tippy top shape. And that was a big one. And there was a lot of other ones that were big ones too. Right. Like the first couple of weeks, Q was posting about Saudi Arabia a bunch. And then a week later, you had that Saudi Arabian corruption purge in November 2017 with like hundreds of princes arrested in Saudi Arabia and big happenings over there, like huge happenings. And that, that was a big thing. Like, okay, whoever's posting as Q has some kind of inside information, knows what's going on. Joel 00:33:41.110 - 00:33:57.410 So, yeah, wasn't it also, like, because Q is the number 17 in the Alphabet, wasn't it like one. You know how, like one of these major sports, like the champions crown and they go to the White House. Didn't he have his jersey be in number 17 instead of 45 at that time or something like that? Jordan 00:33:57.730 - 00:34:07.690 Yup, that was another one in 2018. Because usually presidents, when they invite national championship sports teams to the White House, they'll always put the number of their presidency on the jersey. Joel 00:34:07.690 - 00:34:08.130 Yeah. Jordan 00:34:08.290 - 00:35:53.680 So Obama 44, Bush 43, and there was two teams. I can't remember what teams they were, but this happened twice that I know of, that they put a 17 on Trump's jersey when the championship team got invited to the White House. So it was just, you know, it might sound ridiculous when you see one of them, but when you see them, that kind of thing, that kind of code over and over and over again. And when you also understand that you're dealing with the intelligence community here and they have to. It's like how they work. They make things subtle but obvious if you know what you're looking for. So, yeah, I mean, the proofs just kept coming in that let us know that Q was legit. But kind of back to. Back to your point in that, did I ever question it? Right. That. No, I questioned my interpretation of the drops. I didn't question the Q's posts or that they were doing it for the good of the people. I questioned just my own interpretation of them. Because, you know, I was only 26 or 27 when the post first started getting made, and I was. I was still very young. I didn't understand all that much of government happenings and the justice system and the military world. But I think a lot of us got caught up on our own opium. We were smoke. We were smoking our own supply, getting caught up on our own expectations, thinking that mass arrests were going to come during Trump's first term, thinking that we were going to see, you know, Hillary Clinton in an orange jumpsuit and Gitmo in 2019. None of that was ever found in Q's post. That was ourselves. Right. So I would say, no, not me questioning Q, just questioning my own understanding of it over the years. And that has definitely evolved since then. Yeah. Joel 00:35:54.640 - 00:36:00.800 Because I kind of started following Q. I'd say around 2020. Oh, I mean, yeah, around 2020. Jordan 00:36:01.370 - 00:36:01.570 Yeah. Joel 00:36:01.570 - 00:36:17.690 And then I remember there was, like, a level of demoralization when he lost the election, you know, because there was a lot of the posting of we're in control, et cetera, et cetera. Then when the election was lost, there was a brief window where there was, like, a demoralization kind of experience. I kind of remember, like, what the happened. What the. Yerasimos 00:36:18.730 - 00:36:25.050 I just still remember the part where it was like, he's not really the President Biden. That's a film set, and it's really Trump behind the scenes. Jordan 00:36:26.170 - 00:38:49.040 Hey, that's why I wanted to speak real quick on that straw man thing, because you bring up a really kind of important time frame. It even hit me for a few weeks there. I was like, what the hell's going on? And then very early, sort of the end of 2020, early 2021. That was about the timeframe where we saw a lot of that exact stuff come out of the woodwork. We had, like, networks of influencers come out of nowhere and start injecting themselves into the Q movement. And. And they brought along all these narratives of, like, exactly that film set. And we're seeing clones, and it's all cgi. Everything's cgi. So it's been like a long game they've been playing with. With, like, poisoning the queue. Well. And in fact, in, I think, the summer of 2021, I started a weekly podcast series called Clickbait of the Week, where my goal was to, like, combat all of the crap that was getting injected not just into the Q movement, but also the UFO movement. I used to do a lot of work in the ufo. UFO movement. And that is very similar. And that you have a lot of what I think are controlled opposition influencers or just grifters, useful idiot grifters in the UFO movement. And I mean, it's like a dime a dozen these days. You've got secret space program whistleblowers everywhere. And oh, I was in the black projects. Ooh, I'm getting contacted by the Galactic Federation Pleiadians. I'm a channeler. And oh, man, the UFO movement is whack. And the Q movement, the well has been so poisoned in both. So I started this Clickbait of the week podcast to just, you know, sort of have a couple shots of whiskey on air and trash and all this garbage. And it was fun. Those podcasts are just so difficult to put together research for that. It takes me like hours and hours. So I probably do them like once every two weeks. It's like clickbait of the every other week or clickbait of the month now, but every couple of weeks when I see enough crap go around the. Go around the interwebs, go around alt media, then I'll do one of these shows. But more recently, especially after the new Epstein files and Charlie Kirk's assassination and stuff, stuff going on, it's, it's. They're coming up again. I'm doing them every like 10 to 14 days now. Joel 00:38:49.120 - 00:39:18.610 Yeah. Before we wrap up on the Q front, can you just lay down the premise? Because the idea, as far as I understand it, is that Hillary was never meant to lose in 2016, and Trump was specifically recruited by a good guy faction of the US Military to stop what they perceived would have been the last tipping point for, like, the destruction and, you know, the, the unrivaled hurdling towards dystopia in America. Jordan 00:39:19.970 - 00:41:08.800 Yeah, I think you summed it up really basically right there. You know, in 2016, they thought Hillary Clinton was going to rent, gonna win. I think they, they were fully expecting her to win that election. And I was too, man. I think back to 2016, I was like, checked out of politics, I thought. And that's kind of one thing that sold me on Trump and Q's post in 2016, I was checked out of everything. I thought Trump was an Illuminati puppet just as much as I thought Hillary Clinton was an Illuminati puppet. So I didn't vote at all in 2016, and I was checked out. But I remember waking up and seeing the news and seeing Trump won, and that kind of shocked me. I was fully expecting Hillary Clinton to win too. And then after Trump won, then all the Russia gate collusion stuff, like they media, all the media complex just started going full Russia, Russia, Russia. And then this was also a few weeks after the WikiLeaks Podesta emails came out. And I saw some clip of Trump saying, I love WikiLeaks and all that. So I was like, oh shit, maybe, maybe there really are white hats in the government. And this was an idea I became privy to back in like 2012. White hats in the government. I just, I kind of forgot about it for a little while, but it sort of came back to me at the end of 2016. Maybe there is a faction of good guys in trying to do the right thing and they somehow got Trump in there. Trump is just the public face for them. And then ever since it's been sort of a shadow civil war going on between factions in the, in the government. And then Q's post was basically just a way that they were sort of talking to us. That's it. Yerasimos 00:41:09.280 - 00:41:45.770 I always thought it was interesting watching interviews from like, I don't know, let's say 30 years ago, 20 years ago of Trump and multiple times it would bring up the question if he thought he would run for president. And his answers were always interesting to me. So I feel like that's where, you know, I, I would have be a little bit more open minded around the Q stuff because I have to be honest, like I was into it for a bit, then I was like this, I'm gonna go live my life and do my thing, like not getting involved. And I was, to be honest, I wasn't like just studying each freaking Q drop. That just wasn't my thing. But it's interesting to see how things have unfolded now and where we are now. Jordan 00:41:46.580 - 00:42:50.130 Well, yeah, no, it's, it's way better off that you did that, man. Like I was studying each drop, but that was like my channel, right? Yeah, but some people get so into it, and that's another problem these days is people who just go way too far with their decoding. It's not even decoding, it's just mental gymnastics with red stringer decodes. And I wonder how much time they waste in their life, how much weight they're gaining and what their blood pressure is at because they don't move from their computer chair. And I don't even know if they have relationships in their life or whatever. They spend like so much time obsessing over Q and oh, dude, it gets bad. Like some of these Q podcast decoders on Rumble and I guess now they're on YouTube these days and some of these accounts on X, it's like, oh, man, it's. It's the, It's. It's actually the qtard stuff. There are a certain subsect of Q tards out there, and I would probably classify that in that. But. Yeah, no, no, I, I totally don't blame you, man. I totally don't blame you. Yerasimos 00:42:50.610 - 00:43:20.970 I. I want to ask this question just going into the Epstein thing, because I figure maybe we'll explore this more. Like, what's your thought on the handling of the Epstein thing from this administration from like the beginning to things now? Like, how do you view it? Like, was there a plan in terms of how they first came out? Like, I mean, there was all those influencers and people on like the White House front lawn talking about it. Then everyone's talking about that it's a hoax. Like, it was just like, odd to me. Unless there's some greater plan to get. Jordan 00:43:22.410 - 00:49:01.890 I might be smoking some Hopium here, and if I am, I'm okay with that. But to me, smoking the Hopium can sometimes be better than the Doomium. I do think there's some ongoing investigations happening and, you know, backtracking. I just always think of this. You've got a huge fight on social media over the last six months over the Epstein thing. But I trace it back, right? We wouldn't even be talking about Epstein right now. If Hillary Clinton won in 2016, Epstein never would have been arrested. If Trump didn't get into office in 2017, Epstein, Ghislaine, they never would have been arrested. We wouldn't be having all this drama take place on social media right now if those things didn't happen between 2017 and 2020. Right. So. And it also doesn't make sense to me that they would go through all those investigations, the arrests. They arrested Jean Luc Brunel as well, which was Epstein and Ghislaine's procurement, who ran MC2 modeling management. So I see a lot of talk on social media. I bring that up because I see a lot of talk on social media of people saying there's been zero arrests and zero investigations. Not necessarily true. There has been. One of Epstein's co conspirators arrested Jean Luc Brunel. He was arrested in 2021 in France and he actually committed suicide in prison in France as well, which a lot of people don't know. And then we also had the Nexium sex cult busted in 2018. I think it was during Trump's first term. And the NXIVM sex cult was another one of those sort of blackmail creepy cult rings that he had some Hollywood people associated with. And you can, you can directly connect that Nexium sex cult to the Epstein network through the Bronfman family. The Bronfman is a rich billionaire family who owns the Seagram's company. Yeah. And what, what whiskey does Seagrams make? I think they own a few whiskeys and distilleries and stuff. But anyway, Billion Dollar Company and the Bronfmans are connected to the Rothschilds, which are connected to the Epstein's. It's, it's the same network, basically the Nexium and the Epstein arrest. So there's been more takedowns than people realize. What I think is that a lot of these influencers just want a celebrity arrested like Bill Gates or Hillary Clinton, so they can brag to their family. They don't realize that the wheels of justice turn very slow. Just ask any rank and file cop when they're investigating a street level drug dealer. Those investigations can take a year or two just to do the surveillance and get enough evidence to be able to get a street level drug dealer. So if we're talking about investigations of this grandeur, it could take years to years. And at that time also, if you think as well, the amount of time that Trump's actually been president since Epstein was arrested is only about two, two and a half years because Biden was in office for those four, then you also have Covid to take into account, which shut a lot of stuff down for all of 2020. So there really has not been much time. If we are supposing there are ongoing investigations for any federal investigators to investigate the Epstein network. Also we could suppose and theorize that maybe some of these investigations are being ran out of military intelligence groups, not the doj, which would explain why sometimes the FBI and the DOJ says, ah, we don't have much or we don't know what's going on or something. And it also explains why Trump's trying to play stupid and get people to stop talking about Epstein like, yeah, let's move on, right? Pam Bondi sitting there like, let's move on and think about other things. It would also explain some of the redactions in the Epstein files as well. So to me, supposing that there are ongoing investigations, that we will see more arrests in the Epstein network. It makes sense to me. Of course I could be wrong, but I'm going to reserve judgment until the end of Trump's term. If we get to like end of 2027, 2028 and nothing's happened, then I'll start to black pill and doom out and I'll be like, f this. But at this point, I'm fine being patient, reserving judgment. And I also understand that, well, what about the 60,000 children that were human trafficked and rescued by Trump's administration in 2025? Rescued by the Department of Homeland Security. Right. During the Biden years, there were a couple hundred thousand kids smuggled into this country and ended up in labor, slavery or who knows what other kind of slavery. And DHS arrested 60,000 of those. So it's like you've got people on the Internet who are so focused just on the celebrities where they don't see all the other stuff, all the other positives that are going on. And in terms of the big release the files push we're seeing right now, I think it's a net positive because of course people are reading these files and they're waking up to a lot of hardcore about our world that these elites were involved in. But when you follow the money and you look at the names involved in the last nine months of release the files being pushed by politicians and influencers, celebrities, all that crap, right? Do you guys remember the Epstein survivor press conference that Massey and Ro Khanna and MTG held on the steps of the Capitol back in September? Yerasimos 00:49:02.930 - 00:49:03.970 I don't remember it now. Jordan 00:49:04.370 - 00:53:26.980 Okay, so there's this big like Epstein survivor press conference where they were announcing their Epstein Files Transparency Act. That was the legislation that Massey and Rokhanna introduced. This is why we're reading the files online right now. Anyway, they held a press conference back in September for their Epstein Files Transparency Act. Justice for the Survivors released the files. If you look at the ngo, they had their symbols all over the stages around this event. The NGO that set up that press conference was called World Without Exploitation. World Without Exploitation is a project of another NGO called the Tides Foundation. The Tides foundation is known for being a giant Democrat dark money ngo. They get a lot of money from George Soros, they get a lot of money from the Rockefellers. So why is this? Why is basically a Soros backed NGO being the one pushing these survivors and to release the files. Also there's been some major TV advertisements with these Epstein survivors in it over the past couple of months to release the files. It was LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman that's been paying for these advertisements. One of the advertisements ran during the super bowl and they've been running during sports games, mainly football games. Why? And Reid Hoffman went to Epstein's Island. Why is Reid Hoffman, Epstein island visitor, paying for TV advertisements to release the files with these select few survivors in them? So there's a lot of just questionable money. Also, Alex Soros gives money to Rokana and Ro Khanna, introduced the bill for the Epstein files Transparency Act. So there's just a lot of questionable names, questionable money trails. I wonder if these like, there's like six of them or 10 of them. These, these TV survivors, as I've, as I've been calling them, the ones that were behind Pam Bondi, that all raised their hand during her hearing. Yeah, we haven't been talked to by the doj. She's ignoring us. I would bet polymarket money that these survivors are not actually survivors. They might have even been involved with Epstein as co conspirators. And now they're setting themselves up now to look like victims and all of that. Right. Why, why was actual Epstein survivor Virginia Giuffre, why did she commit suicide in April last year? She was in Australia when she committed suicide too, and she was only like 44 years old, something like that. So kind of like right before COVID how the inventor of the PCR test, Kerry Mullis, he died just a few months before COVID and Kerry Mullis, who invented the frickin PCR test, told the world like this. This is not a good tool to diagnose anything because you can find whatever you want. If you crank up the, the amount of times you run the PCR test high enough, it'll find whatever you want it to find, give you false positives all over. Why did Kerry Mullis die right before COVID Mm. Why did Virginia Giuffre die right before this big release the Files push, commit suicide? So I just. It's sketchy, man. It's, it's really sketchy. This big push to release the files. But anyway, I do think ultimately it's a net positive anyway, regardless of the political ops and the psyops they're running with Release the Files, I think their ultimate goal with the Release the File psyops is to paint Trump as being a pedophile protector. You're seeing that everywhere right now. And then if there are any ongoing investigations, taint the jury pool and obstruct those ongoing investigations, they're trying to force the Trump administration to put out these files that they're probably not ready to put out. That's why it took them a few weeks to redact things and put them together and all that. A Few months. They're probably trying to get the Trump admin to force their hand too soon to obstruct investigations and taint jury pools. Which would explain why we have like, Epstein island visitor Reid Hoffman pushing this release the files crap. So just, these are just ideas I'm entertaining in my head. Do I know for a fact? No, but yeah, I mean, human trafficking. Joel 00:53:26.980 - 00:53:32.220 And sex trafficking has been a massive theme of the Trump administrations since he came in. Jordan 00:53:32.700 - 00:53:33.500 Right? Yeah. Joel 00:53:33.580 - 00:54:01.150 I mean, even it seems to me that the big, you know, border security pushes probably have more to do with human trafficking than anything else as well. And do you think that there's anything to the Streisand effect when Trump is out there saying, stop talking about Epstein, the Epstein hoax, where all of a sudden all the people that never cared about Epstein whatsoever, this massive Democratic faction to like, release the files when, yeah, for the longest time they didn't want anything to do with it. Jordan 00:54:01.870 - 00:55:11.160 Yeah, Playing people like a fiddle. Just basic reverse psychology. I do think there is something there. You know, it's. He knows that when he says don't do something, there's going to be a certain portion of America that then goes to do that thing just because Trump said the opposite. Right. Trump could tell America oxygen is bad and you'll get 50 million people that stop breathing. So. Or he'll say, oxygen is good and 50 million people stop breathing. So I do think there is something there in that. Could be one reason why he's like, it's a hoax. Don't look at it. Hahaha. And now you've got even Reddit, dude. It's crazy. Reddit, which is like the biggest leftist gross cesspool of propagandists on the Internet. Even Reddit is talking about the Epstein files and combing through, looking at Bill Gates and Bill Clinton and all these names. Of course a part of that is them blaming Trump and claiming Trump went to the island, which he never did, but they're still like bringing Bill Clinton to that mix and people they never would have talked about before. So yeah, yeah, I do think there's something there. Yerasimos 00:55:11.640 - 00:55:19.960 I keep seeing people railing on the fact that like, Trump's been in the list so many times and then like, that's where they're just coming from with their arguments, you know, and like, you. Jordan 00:55:19.960 - 00:56:18.390 Know, of course he was, man, dude, Trump back in the 80s was an informant that helped take down the Mafia in Atlantic City. He's been working with good guys in the FBI for 40 years. He helped take the mafia down probably in New York as well. So he has been like a white hat spy for a long, long time. And if we theorize that he was an informant or a white hat spy, and we have good evidence to suggest this from lawyers in Florida, back in Epstein's first case back in 2009, you got one lawyer on camera who said, yeah, I, I mean Trump was the only one that picked up the phone and he told us anything we wanted to know. Right? So there's, there's good evidence to suggest that Trump was informant and hanging out with Epstein to purely gather information on these guys. And of course he would be in the files for sure. Joel 00:56:18.550 - 00:56:36.600 But and the other thing is like, in what context is he being spoken about in the files? Right? Is the context of oh yeah, Trump's on our side, haha, Trump come, you know, play with this kid. Like it's not, it's talking about Trump as a threat most of the time for as far as I can tell. Jordan 00:56:37.960 - 00:57:46.540 Yeah. And a lot of these files I'm seeing social media influencers just really do bad reporting on, they are greatly miscontextualizing what the files actually say. So for instance, there's mentions in Epstein's files of like Biden dying in 2019 and being a clone and, and a, the tribunals are taking place in 2021 and a, a quantum financial system is about to get activated. And the thing is that you'd have a lot of random shit just end up in inboxes that the FBI picked up in their data swiping. So just because a thing is said in the files does not mean that thing is true. And it looked like Epstein had people sending him just random ass newsletters that were about wacky conspiracy stuff sometimes too. Like maybe Epstein was just keeping track of the conspiracy stuff that was being said on the Internet. But yeah, just because things are said in the files, one doesn't make them true. B, you really have to look at the context. Like you were saying, like who's emailing who and what exactly is being said? Joel 00:57:47.580 - 00:58:00.300 Like what does, what does the statement Trump is in the files even mean? Like, it means his name was mentioned. Like, okay, great. In what context? You know, Trump is in the files context and the fucking useful idiots like, oh yeah, Trump was in the files just repeating it. Jordan 00:58:00.780 - 00:58:01.420 Totally. Joel 00:58:02.700 - 00:58:14.220 Do you think like even like the Elon spat was like a play, you know, like the big Elon feud, then Elon goes on X, Trump is in the files. Like, do you think this was a kind of play against like rally the Democrats? Jordan 00:58:15.260 - 00:59:09.810 Oh dude, Every time Trump's beefing with somebody, I try to look at the context of it and figure that maybe it's a fake beef with the Elon one that was at a point. Yeah, I do think there's some legitimacy to that one being fake, because at that point, Elon was going so hard with Doge that his businesses were kind of suffering a bit. So I wonder if that was kind of a fake fight to get Elon Musk, you know, looking anti Trump and get him kind of on a better side with maybe some of his shareholders or his businesses, so he could go focus on those things for a while. Because now, over the past couple of months, Elon went back on the Trump train. So, yeah, I do think, who knows what reason, but maybe there was some reason why they had to sort of create distance between them at the optics level for some influence. Joel 00:59:10.620 - 00:59:27.900 So according to the best of your research, like, who was behind Epstein? You know, like, you have lots of people saying, oh, Mossad, Massad. You have others making other claims, like, based on who. Who's fueling the Epstein gate thing. According to you, he's a Russian asset. Russian asset, yeah. Jordan 00:59:28.780 - 00:59:29.660 Say that one more time. Joel 00:59:29.660 - 00:59:36.060 Sorry, who's, like, who's. Who's fueling Epstein? Who's behind Epstein? Like, who was behind this network, really? Jordan 00:59:36.220 - 00:59:53.560 Two intelligence agencies, CIA and Mossad. So I think those were probably some of the main interests as well. But you could have had others, others involved in it. But yeah, those two intel agencies, CIA and Mossad. Joel 00:59:53.719 - 00:59:55.320 And was what was the main purpose. Jordan 00:59:55.400 - 01:02:57.300 Of Epstein blackmail network? You know, they wanted to compromise political individuals, anybody of high influence. So whether it was a scientist, a politician, a celebrity, they wanted to get them in compromising situations, get a video on them, and then be able to blackmail them and leverage that person basically for their whole lives with this video. And I think these rings, there's probably a few of them. Epstein seemed to target more of the financial and political world. You know, he was based out of New York and had ties to the Clinton White House and maybe political and financial. But it appears that Diddy might have been wanting running one ring that was in the music industry. And there are theories that Jay Z might be involved in that as well. So there's probably a few in the music industry. I think that the Playboy Mansion used to be one until Hugh Hefner died or was taken out or whatever happened to Hugh Hefner in was it 2017? I think Hef died. So I think the Playboy Mansion used to be another honeypot trap. And Nexium Sex cult was probably another small one. So there's, you know, there's these rings out there that target certain areas of influence over society, whether it's celebrities, music, Hollywood, financial sector, business. And we've seen a few of them taken down over the past 10 years. There's probably still a few more out there, but it's very tough to investigate these things depending on how stupid or smart they are. I think Trump started with Epstein and took down that network first because Epstein is just retarded, man. Like, if you read the way you read some of these emails and watch his videos, he is not a smart guy. And I think that one is probably just the easiest to first take down and we might see a few more taken down over the years. But also, I mean, you look at the public's reaction to the hardcore stuff in these Epstein files, like elites being involved in loving torture and child, you know, maybe ritual human sacrifice and the child trafficking, it's. Some people are not handling it well. So I do think there's a certain argument to be made where a portion of what goes on in these elite circles doesn't need to go public. Like we, I think us, you, you release some of it enough to a point to shock the public awake and get them demanding change and, and implement that change, but not so much to a point of just like societal chaos and putting people in psychiatric wards and everything. Yerasimos 01:02:57.380 - 01:02:59.380 So, yeah, people would lose their minds. Jordan 01:02:59.620 - 01:03:01.580 Yeah, yeah, they'd lose their minds. Yerasimos 01:03:01.580 - 01:03:27.770 I mean, even like somewhat healthy people are just like, what the. So imagine like the percentage of the population that just is so dysregulated, not in a good place, like coming across some of this information. Yeah, it wouldn't be a good thing for sure. I don't think it would be a net positive. You know, there is like, you get to a certain point where it's a net positive and then it's just like the shock factor that I think has a deleterious effect. Jordan 01:03:28.570 - 01:04:59.360 And I'm sure you'll get some people that disagree with that, like, oh, we deserve the truth, 100% truth. Transparency. I, I think there's philosophical arguments you can make on both sides, right? Like, yeah, sure, deserve truth and transparency, but at the same time, like, you, you weren't the one directly affected. So are you the one deserving of the full truth? Maybe not. And you have to look at like the collective, you have to look at the health collective, like put out enough to where going forward, we can stop this, put the people in jail. We need to put in jail, maybe at least cut deals with other ones to get them out of the public sphere, but not really so much to a point where. Because that's another thing with these Epstein files right now is that you're seeing some of the public turn into that lynch mob effect. And you'll get, like, honest names in the files that had nothing to do with Epstein. But just because their name is in the 3.5 million Epstein file pages on justice.gov, just because their name is there, you've got people coming after them with pitchforks and Molotov cocktails. So you also have to take that into account. You've got a lot of very emotional humans out there that don't think very critically when they're very emotional. So you want to not also rile up the lynch mobs. And it's. It's just. It's very tough. Right. So there's arguments all around on that one. Yerasimos 01:04:59.360 - 01:05:12.800 I. I could just imagine, like, during that time, like, somehow I come across Epstein in New York City, and like, I hear he's a financial advisor, and then I just send him an email asking him a question about finances, and all of a sudden, like, like, everyone just thinks I'm the most horrible. Jordan 01:05:12.800 - 01:05:19.040 Now, 15 years later, your. Your name is on justice.gov and everybody thinks that you traffic children. Right. Joel 01:05:19.120 - 01:05:21.680 Are you. Are you proactively defending a future? Release your ass. Jordan 01:05:22.320 - 01:05:23.040 Yeah, I'm just saying. Yerasimos 01:05:23.040 - 01:05:23.680 I'm just saying. Jordan 01:05:24.640 - 01:05:27.120 I was in New York City for 10 years. Oh, no. Joel 01:05:29.280 - 01:05:57.380 Cool, man. No, I really, really, really appreciate your grounded takes here. I just want to ask for the sake of the audience and for the sake of balance, like, do you have any part of you that might argue or question or question Trump or maybe potentially argue that I'm. Oh, no, we are all just being played. It really, really is just two wings of the same bird kind of thing. Like, is there any kind of that that comes in. Jordan 01:05:58.340 - 01:06:27.310 I'm always questioning myself, man. I'm always thinking of that. Right? Because you don't want to get stuck in cult, like, thinking. You don't. You. You don't want to have your mind be closed, but you don't want to also have your mind be so open that your brains fall out. So I'm always questioning my own beliefs. Question everything. And, yeah, I mean, I'm not like a bootlicker by any means. There's certain things where there's certain things Trump says. I'm like, why? Why? Joel 01:06:27.790 - 01:06:28.150 Why? Jordan 01:06:28.150 - 01:10:14.880 Yeah, but the thing is, his personality doesn't trigger Me, I think it's freaking hilarious how we've got a president who just goes off the cuff and trolls and says the F word in front of the cameras. You've got some people who like, I miss Obama. He was such a professional president. I'm like, you just want to be manipulated, dude. So, no, I'm not. And he's just a human, you know, he's not the savior of humanity. It's up to us. And also because I understand that Trump is largely a symbol, he's a name and face for the people behind him as well. You know, a lot of these decisions, it's not Trump making them, it's his advisor team behind him, whoever they are, public or private. So, no, he's not the savior of mankind, but I do absolutely respect him because we wouldn't be having this conversation on YouTube right now if he didn't wage that class action lawsuit to get us back on here. We wouldn't be talking about Epstein right now. We wouldn't have. I mean, there's a lot I think we do owe gratitude towards Trump for, but he's not going to do it all for us. There's a lot that we have to do in our local communities at the end of the day to really save not just the country, but our planet, really. I mean, if we all accounted for every children that live in a 500 meter radius around us, right on our street, if we all accounted for our own kids, there would be no children getting trafficked. It is because we've been so distracted by Bren's circus bullshit. We've been so apathetic, we've been so distracted, we've let a lot of this corruption happen. If we focused on our health, right, making sure what we ate is solid, diet, exercise, proper sleep, all of that, cancer rates wouldn't be through the roof right now. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's wouldn't be through the roof right now. If we just focused on our what's in our direct control with our home, our family and our street, then, you know, making sure there's no toxic pesticides sprayed, food's good, everything's going solid in our community. Children are taught well and accounted for. No Somalian frauds going on and businesses down the road. If we all just accounted for our local community, as above, so below right, for fractal universe, then society would improve drastically. We would be able to achieve the objectives we want for this country and this planet if we just focused on what we can directly control around us. So I've been Having a lot of people ask me recently after these Epstein files have been released, what's next, what's next, what's next? And that's been my answer to them. I think what's next is not being so obsessed with what's going on globally and nationally. Granted it's important to be familiar with it, aware of generally what's going on, but be so obsessed, like back to your point of like reading Q's posts for 10 hours a day. Like if you're, if you're just stuck in front of a computer screen for 10 hours a day, that's, that's a perfect way to let the corruption continue to happen. So I think what's next is us realizing we need to become self reliant again and learn skills again, learn how to build things and fix things ourselves or grow food in our backyards again and become more self reliant building local networks, whether it's in churches or meetup groups or just barter, trade communities, whatever it is, local again. And then that will change the nation the way. Yeah man, well said. Yerasimos 01:10:15.360 - 01:10:55.770 You're just speaking, speaking our language. You're speaking my language. I feel like I've brought up this exact thing in a few podcasts last week I was on and just that like there's just so much stuff out of our control. But what is within our control now granted, you know, this is your mission, this is your work, this is what you do. So you know like you're going to go down a lot more rabbit holes. But for a lot of people, like it's like not the best use of their time. Do you know what I mean? Like 10 hours a day and it's like you have kids to focus on you like are you even on purpose? Are you even on mission? Are you like compensating for lack of self knowledge, lack of internal health, lack of purpose to be like, oh, I know what's happening, I have the answers now. Let me post all about it. Let me tell my friends, dude, the. Jordan 01:10:55.770 - 01:11:55.390 Internet, all this truth seeking social media stuff, it's so much more, there's so many more people in it for ego validation than they realize. Like I mentioned earlier, some of these influencers, I don't think, I think they do want justice, but I think their real unconscious priority is just validations. They can gloat to their family or say, look at me, I've been posting about this for years, I told you so on their social media pages. There's so many more people in this for ego validation. And again like, it's important to be aware of what's going on nationally and globally. But, you know, you can find a handful, your most trustworthy influencers, throw on one of their podcasts in the background or do maybe 30 minutes of some scrolling per day, but then make damn sure that, like, you got your health in order, you got your family in order, you got your whatever else is going on in order. So it's so important, and a lot of people miss that, for sure. Joel 01:11:57.710 - 01:12:29.260 Jordan, thank you so much, man, for your grounded takes in the conversation so far. Just really appreciating where your head's at. And I mean, it goes to show for me, like, just the experience of the length of the journey. Like, you go through these different phases and you come to these deeper realizations about what's really important. And at the end of it all, for sure. One thing I do want to touch on before we wrap this one up, because, like, obviously there's this buzzword, Pizzagate. You know, some people think this is like the ultimate conspiracy of all conspiracies as well. Can you give our audience just a overview or a summary of the Pizzagate conspiracy? Jordan 01:12:30.700 - 01:18:31.100 Basically, it derives from the John Podesta emails that WikiLeaks published in early October of 2016. And there are theories as to how WikiLeaks got these emails. I think the most sort of legitimate one is that they came from Seth Rich and then Seth Rich found mysteriously murdered in D.C. back in 2016. I believe WikiLeaks got these emails from Seth Rich somehow. Seth Rich used to work for the Democrat Party, I think as a campaign manager, strategist or something like that. Anyway, I don't know exactly what, but he worked within the Democratic Party. I think Seth Rich came across some of these emails, accessed some sort of database, and was just shocked about what he was finding and leaked those emails to WikiLeaks. They found out it's Seth Rich, probably offed him. Somehow WikiLeaks ended up publishing them. And John Podesta's emails, they had a lot of weird stuff in them. Weird emails with food written in such a way that nobody would ever talk about food that way, Right? So, for instance, John Podesta emailing Barack Obama. And Obama was talking about flying $65,000 worth of hot dogs to the White House and so many other very weird contexts in which hot dogs, pizza, pasta was another one that were being discussed. And then when we started finding those emails, Internet Internet truth investigators pointed back to a 2007 unclassified FBI. It was an intelligence bulletin. So the FBI circulated this document around their agency internally. And this intelligence bulletin stated that common phrases used by pedophiles. Pizza meant young boy, I believe, and pasta meant young girl. And I might not be getting those words exact, but it was pizza, pasta, hot dogs, I think chicken was another common one. So this was unclassified and published by the FBI in 2007. And then we started seeing all those food code words in John Podesta's emails. And then people started digging into, well, what about his brother, Tony Podesta? Why does Tony Podesta have the weirdest artwork in his home? Like Jeffrey Dahmer esque artwork? It was so creepy. And oh, what about this pizzeria, Comet Ping Pong, that John and Tony Podesta are connected to the owner of this Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria in Washington, D.C. his name is James Alafantis. And why do they have all kinds of creepy symbolism on their marketing posters and all that? Why down the street from Comet Ping Pong, you had another pizzeria called Besta Pizza. And the logo for Besta Pizza was this. Pedophiles don't also don't only use code words, they also use symbols. And a couple symbols involved the swirl and then this triangle that kind of swirls into itself. Why did Best of Pizza, it was just a few hundred meters down the road from Comet Ping Pong. It had that exact triangle in their logo. And after investigators started looking into Pizzagate and it started blowing up back in 2016, Best of Pizza changed their logo, totally removed the triangle. Why did Comet Ping Pong have artists, music artists that played at their pizzeria? One was called the Sex Stains. And if you look at music videos from the Sex Stains, you see the triangles and the swirls. There was just so much. There was. I can't even remember a lot of this off the top of my head. But when Internet investigators, after the code words were found in Podesta's emails, started looking into all the associations, all the symbolism around these pizzerias and it just, it was, yeah, it was a wild investigation. And now in Epstein's files, years later, we're getting more weird references to pizza. There's other food that's referenced in these Epstein files now. Well, I guess these Epstein emails were written back in 2013 when John Podesta was writing a lot of his emails. So it's like it shows you. So sort of the arrogance. And these people back in 2013, 14, 15, they thought they were untouchable. So they were Writing all these emails, whether it was Epstein in his emails or John Podesta in his emails, 10, 15 years ago, they, they were so arrogant, they thought they were untouchable. But we're learning through the Epstein files now. Other food code words like shrimp. Shrimp is another one written in such weird contexts by Epstein. Ice cream is another one. I won't go too deep down that rabbit hole right now. But yeah, there's some weird stuff around ice cream and Epstein and some ice cream connections between Joe Biden and Jeffrey Epstein and Epstein's bankroller, Les Wexner. But basically it just looks like through these weird food code words and the symbolism associated with these folks that they may, they may allegedly be pedophiles. So that's kind of the basics around Pizzagate and how Pizzagate somewhat connects to Epstein as well. And of course, who was John Podesta working for? The Clinton White House. The Obama White House. Who is Epstein really close to in a friendly manner? The Clinton White House. So it's weird, man. Yerasimos 01:18:31.900 - 01:18:32.700 Definitely weird. Jordan 01:18:32.940 - 01:18:36.060 So glad I don't live in D.C. and never got into politics, man. Yerasimos 01:18:36.780 - 01:19:28.020 Yeah, man, it is weird. It's, you know, but you talked about earlier, you talked about earlier the net positive and you know, even just me going on Facebook and seeing some of the comment threads, what people are saying, people that would identify as like, you know, hardcore liberals or leftists. And I'm seeing in the comments, well, maybe we owe conspiracy theorists an apology, you know, because they're, they're realizing like some of this pizza gate stuff, like maybe this shit was, was legit. I mean even, even just what was that Bill Maher, like a couple weeks ago, like apology. He was talking about it, you know, he's like, maybe, maybe I don't agree with everything with the QAnon people, but I think we maybe owe them an apology for the least the, like this satanic ritual abuse stuff. So it's just interesting. It's like I just sit there and I'm kind of like, try to detach a little bit and just observe and go. What we're witnessing right now, it's, it's weird and it's interesting and we'll see how it unfolds. Joel 01:19:28.260 - 01:19:39.300 What, what do you think is like the psychological mechanism that leads to this like disgusting obsession with children via these people that come into positions of power. Jordan 01:19:41.230 - 01:21:21.110 People who are traumatized end up developing, I think, a screwed up psyche where they end up traumatizing others. It's, it's just seems to be this revolving door of psychopathy. Where it's this obsession over money and power, like a psycho pathology of psychopathy. And then they were greatly traumatized and screwed up from their youth and then they grow up to be psychopaths, then traumatize others, and it becomes this revolving door in these particular families or these elitist networks. And I think just the environment that these people grow up in, it's such a haughty, arrogant, self interested, psychopathic community that it just continuously creates itself from the way they grow up, the way they're taught, then they teach more, traumatize their kids. And it's just this, this revolving door of, of, yeah, sociopathy and psychopathy. And I think that's what ultimately humanity's at war against. It's not a war against the left. It's not a war against, kind of is a war against like the new world order, but ultimately it's a war against like these deep internal shadows, the, the narcissism and, and psychopathic behavior. Because that, I mean, this time this type of psychopathy can present itself not just in the elites, but in everyday people. Yerasimos 01:21:21.190 - 01:21:22.310 Every everyday person. Jordan 01:21:22.630 - 01:23:23.850 Yeah, in the everyday person you can meet psychopaths or just raging malignant narcissists all the time. So I think ultimately that's what humanity, that's what each of us is at a war against is this kind of psychopathic behavior. And what we need to deal with that, our weapons in that fight, Number one is humility. Number two is truth and transparency, but also honor in that regard as well. And then, yeah, just it's that I think that's the deepest fight. And all of this really hardcore stuff coming out right now, whether it's Epstein or Pizzagate or whatever, it's also teaching us some very important spiritual lessons in that you can't turn a blind eye to this stuff. That is some spiritual bypassing I see in quite a bit of the new aging movement is that they just, they don't want to talk about it. They say, oh, it's negative. I don't, I don't want to focus on that or talk about it. But that's exactly what they want you to say. Because by not talking about it, not focusing on it, and that's what keeps it in the dark corner and allows it to spread. So we do need to focus on it. Of course, not to a point where it causes, like as we were talking about a minute ago, causes us all to go crazy, but it does need to be discussed and dealt with so we can get rid of it. And I think this is the humanity is kind of going through its own detox right now. It's just a spiritual detox. And much like physical detox, where it gets more uncomfortable before it gets better, I think that's what's happening right now with humanity spiritually, in that things are getting very uncomfortable. But that is a good thing. That's a necessary thing because that's how we deal with it and that's how we get rid of it. So I do definitely think there's light at the end of the tunnel. It's just right now, that roller coaster is going through its most intense phase. Joel 01:23:24.650 - 01:23:45.870 Appreciate it, man. Appreciate your time. Appreciate your takes, dude. Just. I guess in closing, I want to ask a kind of final question, which is, what is your, like, motivation? What is your spiritual motivation? What. What is the fire that allows you to keep doing this and drives you to keep doing this? And any final words that you might have for those listening. Jordan 01:23:46.670 - 01:27:29.830 Man, I really appreciate your guys's more personal questions. You don't just want to talk about all the nonsense going on. You actually want to get to know and bring out who you talk to. Not a lot of podcasters do that. So I appreciate that. My motivations are. I guess I hate seeing people be messed with mentally, and I hate seeing people make bad choices and screw themselves over. So I guess those are my two motivations. Number one, I want to. I try to wake people up to their own shadow, which is why some people on the Internet don't like me. And I get a lot of hate and heat from people because I'm. Maybe it's because I'm a freaking Scorpio, I don't know. But I. I wake people up to their own shadows and I make them uncomfortable, but I try to get them to realize, like, your own problems are your fault, dude. Like, oh, you. You're. You're sick, you're overweight, you're. Whether it's your physical body or all the mental problems going on in your life, like you chose that crazy chick to go on a date with, you can't complain. But. So not only getting people to wake up to how their own choices are affecting their lives, the cause and effect that they're putting on themselves, but also how they are being manipulated by outside forces, whether it is the mainstream media, whether it is influencers on social media, or whether it is people in their lives, they're just not realizing who that are manipulating them. Those are my motivations, I suppose. People getting people to wake up to how they are lying to themselves and get People to wake up to how they are being lied to by authorities. Whether those authorities are governments, media, scientific institutions or authorities that we're perceiving on social media influencers. So in final thoughts, man, I think I've given a lot of them. You know, we're going through quite a spiritual detox. We're facing a lot of things in society right now that we need to face, but we can't run away from it. I do see light at the end of the tunnel and at the end of the day a lot of this comes, comes down to what we do, what we choose to do with our time, building local communities, do in our direct lives. What can we directly control? Because it's just up to us to reject the poison, literally and figuratively. Right? Stop BO buying like we are enabling their slave systems, continuing to buy their crap food, continuing to buy their crap products. So it's going to take, you know, it's going to take a little bit of discomfort like, oh, I'm not going to, I'm going to stop buying the cheap Chinese crap made with lead. I'm going to choose to buy what granny is making down the street. It might cost me an extra 50 cents or a dollar, but I will deal with some of that discomfort in the short term because ultimately that leads us to a more prosper place in the long term. So just choosing the better foods, choosing to buy locally, choosing to barter and trade if you can, choosing to spend some of your time and effort building local relationships or developing skills, growing a garden, learning how to be your own mechanic and change the oil in your car, whatever it is. Right? So there's just some time and effort involved in changing the world. It's going to be more than just sitting on our computer. But the, the Internet fight is important, you know, the Internet fight is important, but there's so much more we can do than just that. So I hope people, you know, start looking at themselves to figure out what they need to change to get the world to change. That's what I want. Joel 01:27:29.910 - 01:27:33.760 Yeah. Jordan, man, were you born in November 1990? Jordan 01:27:34.480 - 01:27:34.960 Yeah. Joel 01:27:35.040 - 01:27:37.280 Yeah, two of us, man. Two of us. Jordan 01:27:37.680 - 01:27:39.000 Nice, dude. Yerasimos 01:27:39.000 - 01:27:46.160 Jordan, man, thanks for being here for the truth, bro. Internally, externally, appreciate you. How can you guide people to support you and all your work? Jordan 01:27:46.960 - 01:28:47.510 Thanks, man. My website is jordansay.com J O R D A n S a T H E R and pretty much all my links to everything are on there. So I'm spreading all over. I got a couple different YouTube channels, I'm on Rumble, Twitter, Instagram, Telegram, a lot of different places, so you can pretty much find everything right there. I also work with another company called Badlands Media, and they're. They're pretty freaking awesome. So go check those out. We do, we do events in person events around the country four times a year as well. So next one's in Nashville coming up in April, then South Dakota in June after that, then I think Vegas in September. So do some in person stuff as well as the Internet stuff. And I also have my health and fitness brand called Conscious Strength as well. The website for that is consciousstrength.net. i have some supplements I sell through there. I also got a lot of blogs, videos, just information through that as well. So go check them out, man. Appreciate it, guys. Joel 01:28:47.670 - 01:28:57.440 Thanks for your time. Thanks for doing you. Appreciate the fact that you walk and honor your path and, you know, it impacts all of us, man. So thank you once again and everyone else, thank you for listening. We'll see you next time.