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EPISODE 56 · FEB 10, 2022 · 1H 25M

Dr. Ben Page Playing in the Dirt

EPISODE 56 · DR. BEN PAGE
Playing in the Dirt

Dr. Ben Page grew up playing in dirt. Literally. His parents gardened constantly — he learned to water, plant, compost before he could read. Then the family moved to the desert, and that connection faded for years. Fast forward to chiropractic college: Ben's mentally sick, buried under debt and 40+ hour weeks, spiraling. He plants tomatoes on a windowsill in Davenport, Iowa. Ten minutes a day watering those plants becomes the only time he feels at peace. That small act — touching soil, growing something — pulled him back from the edge. Now he's built a life around it: composting hundreds of pounds of organic waste per year, raising chickens, butchering meat with his own hands, teaching patients that health is simple — eat what your ancestors ate, touch the earth barefoot, let your body do what it already knows how to do. This conversation covers grounding as anti-inflammatory medicine, the mental health collapse of lockdowns, why meat and fat matter more than most nutrition science admits, how fermentation neutralizes plant toxins, and why everyone should butcher a chicken at least once. Ben's closing principle: nature heals in eight distinct ways, and the garden is your edge of access to all of them.

  • Functional freeze disguised as high-functioning Ben hit rock bottom during chiropractic college — not physically broken, but mentally sick. Debt load, 40–63 hour weeks, anxiety spiraling. Ten minutes watering tomato plants on a Davenport, Iowa windowsill became the only moments he felt at peace. Not collapse — still showing up, still producing — while something underneath went numb.
  • Grounding as anti-inflammatory medicine Earth carries a natural negative charge. Free radicals — molecules hunting electrons — cause inflammation by ripping them from healthy tissue. Stand barefoot: 1,300 receptors per square inch of foot pull electrons straight into the body. Rubber soles cut the circuit. Our ancestors slept on dirt, walked barefoot, stayed grounded. We live in buildings so far above earth some haven't touched soil in years.
  • Composting = black gold Ben's system: two big plastic containers, holes drilled. Wet waste (food scraps), dry material (leaves, grass clippings, charcoal ash). Flip it every time you add. No formulas required. When full, pile it on wood outside with dry layers between. Let nature run the show. Hundreds of pounds of compost per year. All goes back to the garden. Soil builds, plants flourish.
  • Meat-based nutrition and ancestral eating Fat as fuel, meat as nutrition. Indigenous groups grew grain not for themselves but to attract animals — the grain's name in some languages literally meant *animal food*. The animal's name meant *human food*. Ben evolved from garden-to-table to meat-centered after years studying health. Organs = nutrient-dense. No supplements needed if you're eating what was raised on fertile soil.
  • Butchering breeds respect Ben raised pastured chickens for a year. Every butcher day — 30 to 50 birds — his respect for the animal spiked. Saved feet for broth, composted intestines, used everything else. Same with hunting: shoot, butcher in the wild, feel the full weight of what you're taking. Most people should butcher a chicken once. The respect for what that animal provides goes through the roof.
  • Chemical warfare in plants, fermentation as solution Plants can't run or bite — they defend with chemical compounds. Potatoes in Bolivia/Peru were fermented six months to a year before eating. Bacteria ate the carbs and toxins so humans could digest safely. It's not *what* can I eat, it's *how do I prepare it* so I can eat it. Meat requires minimal prep. Vegetables demand fermentation or cooking to neutralize defense mechanisms.
  • Healing happens inside out, not outside in The true job of a doctor: entertain the patient while the patient heals themselves. Healing is inside-out. Trillions of cells, bacteria, viruses — an ecosystem that adapts or maintains. Provide nutrient-dense food, decrease toxicity, the body does the rest. Covering symptoms with pills blocks natural healing pathways. Asymptomatic ≠ healthy.
  • Nature as present-moment anchor Ten to fifteen minutes with tomato plants in Davenport kept Ben in the present. No past regrets, no future anxiety — just watering, just being. That peace carried inside. He felt better with his wife, his son. The garden became the zone. Nature simplifies everything: nutrition, stress, immunity, community, gratitude, grounding. Eight ways Ben's garden made him whole again.

Quotes

"Most people nowadays living in cities are living in buildings. They're so far away from the earth that they haven't touched earth for years maybe."
Dr. Ben Page
"The earth has a natural negative charge. If we just stand barefoot on the ground, our feet, every inch has about 1,300 receptors for these electrons."
Dr. Ben Page
"We don't come into this world. We come out of it as leaves from a tree, as the ocean waves, as the apple tree apples, the earth peoples."
Joel Rafidi (quoting Alan Watts)
"It's not what can we eat, it's how do I prepare it so I can eat it?"
Dr. Ben Page (quoting Bill Schindler)
"When health is absent, wisdom cannot reveal itself, art cannot become manifest, strength cannot be exerted, wealth is useless, and reason is powerless."
Yerasimos (quoting Hierophilus, 300 BC)
"The true job of a doctor is to entertain the patient while the patient heals themselves because healing is from the inside out."
Dr. Ben Page
"I truly believe that each person should at least butcher a chicken once in their life to see where if they eat meat... do it at least once so you can fully respect what an animal is and what it is providing you."
Dr. Ben Page
"Nature doesn't need us. We need nature. If we can't survive without her, but she can survive perfectly without us."
Dr. Ben Page
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