Frederick Dodson Decoding Reality Creation

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You are now listening to the Here for the Truth Podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. All right, everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of Here for the Truth. (3:52 - 4:03) I'm Joel Rafiti. I've got Yerasimos with me as always. And today we're thrilled to have with us a true pioneer in consciousness research, personal development, author of 50 plus books, Fred Dodson. (4:03 - 4:31) In our conversation today, we're diving into Fred's fascinating journey, his approach to manifestation through embodiment, authenticity, and truth as a path to personal growth and much more. Fred brings a unique perspective that blends spiritual wisdom with practical techniques for transformation. So we're exploring concepts like the role of the nervous system in the body, in belief creation, how uncertainty and scarcity can actually be a sign of growth, plus his take on the levels of consciousness. (4:31 - 4:51) We're also touching on some of his experiences with secret societies, abduction experiences, and even his views on global current events. So really, I want to highlight that. Make sure you stay with us for the second half of this episode, because we've really hit some powerful gold as we get to the core of reality creation and manifestation. (4:52 - 5:09) And Fred shares some really game-changing insights that could transform how you approach your own practice. So I guess if you've ever wondered about the intersection of consciousness, energy, and personal power, or if you're simply curious about how to create your own reality more effectively, you're in for a treat. And without further delay, here is Fred. (5:09 - 5:43) Fred Dodson is a renowned author and consciousness researcher who has published over 50 books exploring human potential, reality creation, and metaphysical concepts. Best known for works like Parallel Universes of Self and Levels of Energy, as well as his latest work on secret societies, Fred has guided thousands worldwide in accessing higher states of awareness through his accessible writing style and practical techniques. His unique approach blends spiritual wisdom with actionable methods for personal transformation, making complex concepts of consciousness accessible to readers around the world. (5:43 - 5:49) Fred, thanks for being here for The Truth. Thank you. No worries at all, man. (5:49 - 6:16) One way we always like to kick this one off with first-time guests is we'd like to dive deep into your personal hero's journey a little bit, starting from wherever you kind of feel called. What are some of the major, I guess, catalyzing moments and rites of passage in your own life that led you down this line of work and this path? I think it all started with firsts. I feel like you answer how I've answered that question before a podcast. (6:17 - 6:27) Well, I was born on June 17th, 1980. Do you remember your birth, Fred? I wish I would. That's the whole problem. (6:27 - 6:37) You see, you're born, you don't know where you come from, you don't know who you are. And normally, that should spark a lot of questions. In me, it did. (6:38 - 6:57) And I looked around, and nobody else seemed to be asking these questions, you know? So, what was I before? Who am I? How'd I get here? These are the questions I was always asking, and I was astounded that nobody else was asking them, you know? I asked my parents. They gave me vague answers. Asked my school teachers. (6:59 - 7:02) Asked the media. Asked internet. Asked Google. (7:02 - 7:13) Today, I asked Grok. And there's still no answers. So... When did you start asking your parents these questions? Four or five. (7:14 - 7:21) I had experiences too, and I asked about those experiences. Nobody could tell me what they were. I left my body when I was a kid. (7:21 - 7:36) I had visitations when I was a kid. I had abductions when I was a kid. And I spent my childhood in libraries looking for answers. (7:38 - 7:52) And, you know, all this knowledge just really was useless. Because it's not knowledge, it's awareness. It's, you know, you can have knowledge about a lot of stuff. (7:53 - 8:00) People know all kinds of things. They know that if they overeat, they're going to gain weight. And they do it anyway. (8:00 - 8:09) So what uses the knowledge, right? What you need is awareness. You need to look deep. You need to look within. (8:10 - 8:21) And you need to look behind the curtains and so forth. And through awareness, you gain a real understanding. Not the understanding you gain through knowledge. (8:22 - 8:36) So let me dive into a little bit. You mentioned you experienced some abduction experiences as a child. Can you kind of speak into in more real terms, I guess, what that was like for you? I used to scream at night when I was four. (8:37 - 8:48) And I'd wake up with marks below my arms. And I showed my mom and dad. Because I used to be taken by these claws out of bed. (8:50 - 8:56) And it was scary stuff, you know. My parents said, well, he's dreaming. He's got nightmares, you know. (8:58 - 9:16) Since when do nightmares leave marks? And eventually, they started praying when they saw the marks and believed I was being abducted. I was taken places that I didn't understand. Shown things that I didn't understand. (9:16 - 9:25) I understand them now. But back then as a kid, I had no idea what I was seeing. Various levels of consciousness, levels of heaven and hell. (9:27 - 9:58) And then eventually, my parents started praying and the so-called nightmares went away. And then I had positive experiences where I ascended to certain places at age eight, age nine. And these experiences were so positive, I can't even put them into words right now, you know. (9:58 - 10:14) And they went on until I was about 14 or so. And then they kind of faded away. Why do you think some people kind of have these experiences at certain points in their life? And you mean, I guess, others just don't? Beats me. (10:16 - 10:27) I just don't know. I don't know. You know, well, what do you think? I think that's, yeah. (10:27 - 10:44) What do I think on that question? I don't know if an individual has a certain level of consciousness. I don't know. I mean, are these real figures that are taking you? Are they metaphysical? Is someone coming into your room actually and taking you? Or is it happening during the dream world? I don't know. (10:45 - 11:09) Right. And is my body producing these marks to reflect what happened in consciousness? Or is it semi-physical, half-physical? Are these interdimensional beings? Are these benevolent beings? Probably not if they abduct me. I mean, in my opinion, the body definitely adapts based on what's happening in the psyche and human consciousness. (11:09 - 11:27) So it wouldn't surprise me that marks can appear based on experiences that you're having in the dream world. Agreed. Do you think your parents' prayer, do you attribute their prayer to the negative experiences happening? And I'm curious what your role is on that. (11:27 - 11:52) Were they religious? Were you raised religiously? Were these just general kind of prayers of praying? Or was it to a certain god or gods? My parents were very religious. My dad was a healer in a Christian context. And as a result of them being very religious, I was kind of anti-religious as a teenager. (11:52 - 12:06) Because as a teenager, you always want to emancipate yourself from your parents and do the opposite of whatever your parents do. OK? Nowadays, I'm not. I get along with them well. (12:07 - 12:26) But back then, they were rigidly religious in a negative and in a positive sense. If you're rigid, it means you're very focused. And that means your effects, your beliefs manifest, you know? They manifest as healing. (12:26 - 12:37) But if you're rigid, you're also blind to everything else. Yeah. I guess continue on with the kind of rites of passage question. (12:37 - 13:07) Are there any other key moments where it's like, OK, these are things that kind of had to happen in my life, my journey to evolve in the way that it has? Without the so-called negative experiences, I wouldn't be in the good state I am. Like if you've been through hell, then nothing here really bothers you. You follow? Yeah. (13:08 - 13:13) Yeah. You've already been there. You've already done that. (13:14 - 13:33) So it's what's made me resilient and strong, I'd say. And not bothered by daily life inconveniences, because I've been to much, much worse. Right? And that's how I can handle certain things where I see others can't handle them. (13:33 - 13:40) I can handle them. No problem. Was that necessary? I guess so. (13:40 - 13:57) Yeah, I guess so. I guess I already paid off all of my karma or whatever I had, and the rest of my life was just smooth sailing. OK? My 20s were smooth sailing, 30s, 40s, 50s. (13:57 - 14:05) No problems whatsoever. So yes, most certainly. You're writing. (14:05 - 14:33) Obviously, you've written so many books. Was your writing a way to just get out the things that you were learning? Did the books all build on one another? What inspired you to just put everything down on paper and write all these books? I already knew everything I wrote later as a kid. And I just had to... I think my mission was to put it all into words that are easy to understand for anybody and to get it out. (14:33 - 14:44) And there's still a couple of books left, and then I've completed my mission. And then I can move on. What kind of inspired... I mean, the core of your work is obviously reality creation. (14:45 - 15:10) Um, what kind of inspired that flow and that key message once it kind of come forth? Well, the human condition inspired it, which is mostly reactive and indoctrinated. Being told what to do, what to think, what to believe, where to put your attention. That's the human condition. (15:10 - 15:23) And there's another way where you get to decide where you put your attention. You know, you get to defixate your attention. You get to retrieve it and say, hold on. (15:24 - 16:11) Do I really want to put my attention where my attention is? Do I really want to have these thoughts? Are these even my thoughts? Or do I want to put my attention elsewhere? And do I want to think something else? So, I see humankind as unconscious, as oblivious, as slaves. And the idea is, how can I help them overcome some of that slavery, some of that oblivion? Okay, because everybody's just going through the motions without a conscious awareness of their power. And I have this in coaching all the time. (16:11 - 16:40) You know, people come and they're unconscious of so many things, and then it's my job to shine some awareness on that and help them shine some awareness on that and take control, take conscious control of their actions, their attention, their beliefs, their thoughts, their words. And it's really a simple process. And yet, so many aren't even there yet. (16:41 - 17:23) So, I still have a lot of work to do. I mean, this kind of field of like reality creation and manifestation has kind of gone through a huge journey, I guess, the last couple decades in New Age teachings, etc. What are some of the common misconceptions about reality creation? Like, what is it at its core and what is it not in terms of what you're seeing out there in the mainstream fray? Well, before I answer that, what's your take on that? For me, my kind of core philosophy, which always seems to resonate the most is hermeticism and the principle of as within, so without, as above, so below. (17:24 - 17:49) And for me, it's been my experience that what I deal with, what I grapple with, what I've moved through internally does seem to be obviously reflected in my external life. My kind of see the external as a mirror of the evolutionary work that I'm being called to do inwardly at certain points. And your take? I mean, there's some similarities there. (17:49 - 18:25) But I think for me, it's like, I think later on in life, as I started learning some of this stuff, I realized, oh, these are things that I think maybe I did naturally. Like, I always had this foundational belief system that like, things are working out for me and that good things come into my life and that how I think and how I feel and how I act impacts how my life unfolds. And so, of course, I've had my challenges in life, but I feel like the blessings that have come into my life have come in because very often at some point in my life, five years, 10 years prior, it was a really clear knowing that this was how my life would unfold. (18:26 - 18:50) And so, to see that reflected back to me a week later, five years later, 10 years later is pretty magical. I mean, I don't know if I understand the exact components of it, but I just know what your inner state is like, even just the physical body too. Do you have vitality, energy, blood moving through you? Is there stuck energy in your body that's going to impact your external world? And that's how I felt it in my life. (18:50 - 18:54) So, those are my thoughts. I'm curious yours. There's a lot of misconceptions. (18:55 - 19:42) There's confusion as to who is it that's manifesting? Is it the universe manifesting? Is it me manifesting? What is willpower manifesting versus letting it happen versus intuitively just going with the flow versus hard work? What are mental limitations versus real limitations? And people are confused regarding these questions, and I try to answer them in my books. I've written 50 books to answer those questions. So, basically, you can… Let's take the weight loss example. (19:42 - 19:57) Okay? You can willpower it. You can override your negative beliefs by willpowering and disciplining yourself, but that always creates a contradiction to your actual inner beliefs. That's why you need willpower. (19:58 - 20:06) Okay? And you can do that. And if you keep on pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing, that will work. That's a power you have. (20:06 - 20:37) You have personal will. Okay? But there's a better way, a higher consciousness way, which is to identify or to expand your awareness on the beliefs, the underlying beliefs you have about weight and weight loss, blah, blah, blah. And the moment you're aware of what's there, it kind of dissolves, and then you don't need discipline to constantly override those beliefs. (20:37 - 20:51) It just happens effortlessly to the point you don't even care about the topic of weight gain, weight loss, food anymore. Okay? That's the place I'm at. I quit caring long ago, and that's actually helped me a lot. (20:51 - 21:22) As long as I cared so much, it didn't work. As long as I put all this, I used to put crazy discipline into, you know, I played tennis four times a week, three times a week to the gym, went for walks every day, and it didn't help because of underlying beliefs. And when I quit all that, I mean, I still play tennis, but I no longer play tennis in order to lose weight, but rather because I like tennis. (21:22 - 21:59) When I quit all that and just released the underlying beliefs, it happened effortlessly. So that's a higher way of manifesting to the willpower way of manifesting. Now, both have their place, personal will versus intuitive or universe or whatever you want to call it, but there's always a more effortless way if you look at your innermost beliefs, if you're authentic about what you really believe, authentic about what you really feel. (22:01 - 22:47) So to anybody who's listening, my wish for you is that you become authentic about what you really feel, really believe, really think, because if you can do that, that's much better than 10 books on whatever you want to achieve, much better than disciplining it. And willpowering it. So what would be like the, I know you have books for this, but in summary, the process of this, like someone comes to you that's been through trauma and has these negative looping thoughts, and they're like, I'm a piece of shit, I'm fat, I can't, I mean, to change their beliefs, there's got to be a process to it, so they get to the place where they don't care, and then they're losing weight. (22:47 - 23:50) You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, if somebody's very obese, I put them on a program that mixes the two modes, the willpower and discipline mode, plus the beliefs mode, because they're not at a place yet where I'd put them into a higher consciousness way of doing it, okay? So they would have to maybe do something medical, or fitness-wise, movement, or diet-wise, put them on keto for a couple of months, in combination with the subconscious stuff. And when people come into my coaching, we usually create audios that are for them to listen to, where we dissect their beliefs, confront their beliefs, basically, in a relaxed state, okay? The best change happens in the alpha state, in a very relaxed state. (23:50 - 24:22) You confront your thoughts and beliefs about a subject, and I've been talking to them so I know what their beliefs are, and I just reflect it back to them in these guided sessions I do for them. And then we have to pivot to who they want to be instead, and I usually pivot back and forth. It's one of my favorite processes, focus on your old beliefs, new preferred belief, let's go back to the old belief, new belief, old belief, new belief, old belief, new belief, switch it on, switch it off, switch it on, switch it off, switch it off. (24:23 - 24:37) The switching on and off empowers them to choose, okay? Now turn on the bad stuff again, turn on the good stuff. Great, thank you very much. Now I push the stop button, and let's do it verbally now. (24:37 - 24:45) Why don't you act out being a victim of this and all, and describe to me how horrible this is. Thank you very much. Now stop. (24:45 - 24:49) Why don't you describe the ideal, your ideal self. Thank you very much. Now stop. (24:50 - 24:56) Now the other side. Now this, now that. Okay, now we've spoken about it for a while, how do you feel? Great, fantastic. (24:56 - 25:14) Now why don't we do it physically? Let's act it out physically. If you were a fat fuck, how would you be walking around? Would you be looking in the mirror all the time? You go to town, you look at the glass all the time instead of looking at the clothes, nothing fits. You're trying to close shit. (25:15 - 25:30) Tell me all about, show me that, demonstrate it. Okay, now demonstrate the other side. So I do a lot of this polarity stuff, that's my favorite approach to coaching, so that the subconscious garbage comes up and out and isn't suppressed. (25:31 - 25:55) Is that a specific enough answer for you? Yeah, I love the specifics. And I'm curious, when you're working with people, do you have them move to different parts of the room to create differentiation, or are they like in the same space as you're talking to them? Movement, lots of movement, oh yeah. So like, for instance, the part of them that thinks they're a fat piece of shit might be, you know, over here, and then the other part of them that has more positive thoughts would be in a different area. (25:55 - 26:08) Oh yeah, yes, definitely. Dynamic and full of movement and loudness and fun and laughter. You don't do, change does not happen by just sitting there passively. (26:09 - 26:39) Yeah, no, I tend to agree with you. I don't know if this is similar or if you were influenced by this at all, or it just came to you naturally, like different types of like parts work, or voice dialogue, which is a system that I kind of got exposed to early on in my life, or it's like interviewing different parts of yourself, like with a facilitator and kind of getting, having that voice out just to kind of understand a little differentiation between these aspects of self. So it sounds a little similar, but also very different because, yeah, because you're doing it. (26:39 - 26:56) In my 20s, I just did one coaching after the other every single day. And if you do that much coaching, it comes to you because you just get so sick of the same patterns over and over and over, and you learn to disrupt them. Yes. (26:56 - 27:10) So it kind of is, we just like, what this is doing is like mobilizing the unconscious or the subconscious on some level, where it's like, you're no longer afraid of what's on the other side of where you currently are. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. (27:11 - 27:49) I guess one of my questions is like, in your own self-practice, what are some of the most profound things that you've created for yourself that at certain points in your life you thought never were possible? Absolute passive income. Like I could have quit working 20 years ago, and that's awesome because at age 32, I could have quit working, and throughout my 20s, I was fairly needy and poor. And somehow by 32, I was already at a place where I wouldn't have to work anymore. (27:49 - 28:10) That means my work from that point forward was authentic. Because if you're working just for money, you're not working authentically. So how does someone bridge that gap when it's like, they're in survival, they need to, obviously there is some sense of desperateness for income. (28:11 - 28:41) And how do they bridge that gap of authenticity when they need money for money's sake as well? Well, you can't be entirely authentic yet, and that's okay. But at the very least is you can admit to that to yourself, and that's already a step toward authenticity, and you can actually aim for a place. The best thing to do is to aim for a place where you have so much money that you can be completely authentic. (28:41 - 28:45) That's a good life goal, actually. I like that life goal. I'd recommend it to anybody. (28:46 - 28:57) Okay? So much money that you can say no or yes to anybody you want. Yeah. You can work with who you want, when you want, as long as you want. (28:59 - 29:13) So you're not entirely authentic yet, but you aim for it. You know about it. Like I'm telling you now, I'm telling the listeners now, there is a place, and that place is really worthwhile. (29:14 - 29:35) It's a worthwhile place to be. Isn't that really why we want money? Because we want to be ourselves? And what you do until then, until you reach that point, is you do your best. You're as authentic as you possibly can be without insulting your customers. (29:36 - 29:58) Fred, what does it mean to be authentic? I mean, that word gets kind of thrown around all the time. Like, what is authenticity? What does it mean to be authentic? I mean, we're complex human beings. Well, it's the daily practice of being aware of what your real thoughts are, your real feelings, and the actions you really prefer to do. (29:58 - 30:21) It could be a habit, for example, to sit down and watch Netflix every evening. But is that authentically me? I'll never know if I don't stop once in a while and not watch and then see what comes up. Is there something I prefer doing? What is really me? It's a study. (30:21 - 30:42) You study yourself. Do I really like avocado or do I only like them because my wife keeps buying them? For myself, I found that if I'm on travels and my wife isn't buying avocados, I hate avocados. I can't fucking stand avocados. (30:42 - 31:00) But the assumption was always that I like him because my wife always had him there. But if I'm left to my own, that's when I know what's really me and what my thoughts are. And that's why every human being needs some time and some space for themselves. (31:01 - 31:08) Everybody should have their own room. I know a lot of people don't live this way. They have no space whatsoever, no time whatsoever. (31:08 - 31:18) You should go for walks on your own. Go on vacation on your own. You should learn who you are, independent of influence. (31:21 - 31:37) Yeah, I completely agree. And I guess when I personally look around, the majority of people, they're scared to even give that to themselves. They're scared to provide themselves with the space to actually know themselves on that level and to discover what they'd really like, what they'd really want. (31:37 - 32:04) And they're actually even scared to confront what's not working in their existing reality because shaking up the status quo and the fear of the familiar breaking down and potentially morphing into something else can feel like death. If I really pursue my own interests, if I really stake my claim as to what I want in my life, how is that going to impact the people around me? And so people don't change in that way. Yeah, it's scary. (32:05 - 32:12) But that's what I mean by authenticity. Yeah, no, I hear you. I'm curious. (32:12 - 32:47) One of the reasons why I brought that up, because we have, I would say, potential inner contradictions or opposites within ourselves. And so it's like, is part of authenticity responding as appropriately to a situation as possible? For instance, there may be a time where I want to be uber compassionate, but then there's a time where it's like, I might need to take someone's life to save my own life or to save my wife's life. Is it more authentic to be compassionate in a moment when maybe, or is it more authentic to set a really strong boundary that could end someone's life? Do you know what I mean by that? Well, yeah. (32:47 - 32:58) If you were entirely authentic, you would know that there's sometimes where you're like this and sometimes where you're like this. And that's the way life is. Life is that way. (32:58 - 33:05) And inauthentic people think it has to be this way. It should be this way all the time. But it's just not. (33:06 - 33:10) Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that clarity because I agree fully. (33:11 - 33:30) So do you think like, I guess the highest path is for us to immerse ourselves in as much as possible in the things that we actually do like, the things we actually are interested in, the things that we genuinely are inclined to want to pursue? I do so. Yeah. Within the law. (33:32 - 33:38) You're going to extract light on the law? Excuse me? Oh, yeah. I do what I like. Yes. (33:38 - 33:53) If it's lawful. Like if I want to crush, sometimes I imagine taking a machine gun and, you know, shooting up a mall, but that's not within the law. So I'm not going to do it. (33:54 - 34:21) If it's within kindness and respect to other, to my fellow human beings, I do as I like. I really love that you gave that example because listeners of the podcast probably understand that I love talking about these parts that just come in and it's like, it's important to not repress that, to allow your imagination to go. But again, it's the acting on that's the difference. (34:21 - 34:35) One thing is, okay, I have these thoughts, but the difference is I'm not going to act on them because they can cause harm. They can cause my life to not go the way that maybe a deeper part of me wants it to go. Whereas I think a lot of people, they push that away. (34:35 - 34:46) No, I'm such a good person. I'm a nice person. I would never imagine just being driving on the road and someone cutting me off and me wanting to follow them home and punch them in the face a hundred times. (34:47 - 35:07) Yeah. So, you don't need to suppress that urge and there's one thing to think it and another as you say to act on it and you have full control over what you act on unless you keep suppressing yourself, then someday it's just going to explode. Yeah. (35:09 - 35:36) Yeah. What role does like, I mean, I guess you said it with movement, what role does the nervous system and a person's understanding of feeling in their body play in your work? It's so important because you embody beliefs. Your beliefs are stored in the body and as you release certain beliefs, your body feeling changes. (35:37 - 35:53) If you want to manifest a certain reality, you have to embody it. It's not enough to affirm it. You have to be the body feeling of it, the mood, you have to be the atmosphere of what you want to manifest. (35:54 - 36:38) People like, you know, when they talk about manifestation often, you know, reference like acting as if, acting whatever it is that you're interested in manifesting already was the case, acting as if you already had X, Y and Z. Is that kind of how you feel about it as well? Yeah, but yes, but to the point that it's no longer an acting as if, it's an embodiment, it's an already being there and making it as real as possible before it manifests. That is, be at the place you would be if that were already manifest. Talk to the people you would be talking to, prepare the materials you would have if that were to manifest. (36:38 - 36:53) You know, I prepared course materials long before my courses were booked. I was preparing for success. So, it's not just an acting as if, it's a working in the assumption of manifestation. (36:54 - 37:08) Yeah, yeah, because a lot of people will say like fake it till you make it, but that seems like counterintuitive because it's like you're faking it, but then what are the core beliefs underneath? Precisely. Yeah. Now, I feel you. (37:08 - 37:23) So, a few, maybe six, maybe seven, eight months ago, I bought your book, Parallel Universes of Self. And at the point of time, I was living in a different part of Mexico. And my family and I, I got two kids now, I got three kids. (37:23 - 37:32) The house that we're in, the environment that we're in, it was feeling very suffocating. It didn't feel conducive to us at all. And I really felt like I was stuck. (37:32 - 38:06) I really was a stuckness, like, where are we going to go from here? And I employed the technique in, I think it was the second or third chapter of the Parallel Universes of Self. And I really affirmed the belief of the environment that I wanted to live in, the kind of house that I wanted to live in, the amount of space I wanted to have, what I wanted for my kids. I was very specific about the bits and pieces like, I wanted a barbecue, I wanted a backyard, I wanted a swing set, I wanted the kids to have all these specific things, which I felt like would really allow us to thrive. (38:08 - 38:27) And I mean, initially going in, I was skeptical. But I mean, where I am now in a different state of Mexico, and the environment I'm currently living in, is actually beyond what I was affirming at that point in time. So, that skepticism has definitely been reduced for me in that specific example, for sure. (38:28 - 38:41) I know, I know. It has to feel so normal that when it manifests, it's as if manifesting had nothing to do with it, it was going to happen anyway. And I often hear that from people, oh, it was going to happen anyway. (38:41 - 39:09) But that's not what you said a year ago, you know? Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. So, how do you, like, what's your advice, I guess, for people, you know? Because I think, obviously, the embodied feeling of scarcity and insecurity and uncertainty comes up, you know, whenever people try to, I guess, attempt to, you know, do something like this. (39:10 - 39:24) So, how do you suggest or encourage people to kind of move through scarcity? Like, for me personally, when scarcity comes up, it's like, that's kind of a signpost for me that I need to do the thing. I need to move into it. I need to take that leap. (39:24 - 39:40) I need to develop more trust, more courage. You know, that's where the evolution lies for me. If you voice a statement, dear listener, any statement at all, something you want to manifest, okay? You voice that, and then you pay attention to your body. (39:41 - 39:59) You pay attention to how strong your voice is and how you feel, and that'll tell you everything. It'll tell you how far away you are from manifestation. Your divinely created body will tell you everything you need. (39:59 - 40:41) You voice a statement, say, I am rich beyond my wildest dreams, or I am with my soulmate or whatever, or I'm perfectly healthy. You voice that, and then you see how you feel. And the doubts that come up are simply, it's simply your body telling you there's something in the subconscious, there's something stored that contradicts what you're saying, okay? So, I would only work with subconscious stuff in relation to an intention, in relation to a goal, by the way, very important. (40:41 - 41:15) People go and say, oh, I've got to work on my subconscious stuff. Never do that unless it's in relation to an intention. So, I have this intention, and I voice it, and something comes up, some uncertainty, feeling of scarcity, okay? I can work with that, you know? I could describe it, or I could write it down, or I could just go into it, okay? The scarcity feels like a fear here in the chest that's about this big, seems like a gray color or something. (41:15 - 41:36) That's the way you could do it. And then you go back to the intention, voice it again, and then you see if anything changes, voice it again, see if anything changes. Oh, there's a new doubt that came up, okay? See what that is all about. (41:36 - 41:46) Okay, I acknowledge that. I'm scared about this and that. And the thing I just described is a long process called the Reality Creation Technique. (41:47 - 42:12) In the book of the same name, I also got a free video on YouTube called the Reality Creation Technique, it's using a goal to bring up certain doubts and processing them through acknowledgement, non-resistance, or through mimicking them, through exaggerating them. It's another technique. But sooner or later, you have to deal with the subconscious material that stands in contradiction to what you want. (42:13 - 42:31) And the feeling of scarcity or uncertainty helps you do that. It points... Uncertainty points to what needs to be removed. Yeah, I've found like uncertainty and scarcity is like it has been a call to heroism and to muster deep heroism for me personally. (42:33 - 43:01) Yeah. So, what are the, I guess, universal mechanics of how this works? Like, what's happening on, I guess, a consciousness level or a cosmic level that kind of enacts and enables this stuff to work? My view is that we're here for training. We're like children. (43:03 - 43:25) And we can't train in a higher realm, we can't mature in a higher realm, we have to descend to mature. It's like maturity training. We have to go through certain experiences and develop our skills down here in the muck. (43:26 - 43:54) You can't develop them up there. What do you openly think? I know you mentioned it just now a little bit, like, what is Earth? You mentioned in the beginning, like, where do we come from? You had these questions, like, does our soul evolve? Do you believe in reincarnation? Do you believe that we grow from lifetime to lifetime? Well, whether you need other lifetimes depends upon how well you did. If you did well, you don't need to reincarnate, in my opinion. (43:55 - 44:08) And in my opinion, it's again, Earth is a training biosphere. Some experience it as a prison, but it's not a prison. And it's not a simulation. (44:09 - 44:25) It's a training biosphere. It's like a place where child souls can develop. And if they don't do well, they come back until they're fit and ready for the real life. (44:27 - 44:42) Yeah. So do you think there's other places or realms that we can choose to kind of reincarnate to? Yeah. But this is a pretty good training ground. (44:45 - 45:06) Yeah. I mean, it definitely feels like a school experience, you know, like, but I think it's important that we take it as that. And, you know, what are some of the pitfalls that you found that with people that are drawn to like, instant manifestation and reality creation, like it can be kind of a vessel for psychological and spiritual bypassing as well. (45:06 - 45:31) You know, like, have you come across that? Oh, yeah. Delusional thinking, which is common in my field, because people mistake my books for that, but it's not that. It's the wanting the miracle quickly, wanting to get rich quickly, just like that. (45:33 - 45:48) And that does exist, but it's not necessarily what you're here for. So you can take a being from a higher dimension and say, look, manifest instant riches for me. But that's not what you're supposed to do here. (45:48 - 46:00) So most of that instant manifestation stuff does not lead down a good path. If you've been around for a while, you know that. You can see what happens to lottery winners down the line. (46:00 - 46:18) It's not the way you're supposed to manifest. You're supposed to manifest without the help of entities through your own power, within a process, and within your realm, within your domain of power. So you're supposed to learn manifesting. (46:18 - 46:39) That's part of the thing here. But from within, and things that are within your vicinity, vibrationally, within your domain. I'm not supposed to manifest that I'm a better basketball player than Michael Jordan right now. (46:39 - 46:55) I'm 51 years old, and that's not in my vibrational vicinity. So I'm not going to do that, because that'll be harmful to me to try and manifest that. I'll manifest something that's within my reach. (46:55 - 47:03) It could be further away. That's okay, but it's within my power to do so. And people need to discern what's within their reach. (47:05 - 47:23) So would you say you want to manifest how Roger Federer would play tennis at around 70 years old, and you'd be good with that at around 51? Does that, I guess, kind of be a good…? Yeah, I could do that. But it's not what I want. I just play tennis for fun. (47:23 - 47:30) I play it for the flow state. So I don't play it to gain fame. I play it to reach the flow state. (47:32 - 47:45) There's a lot that I have manifested. I've manifested pretty much everything that I wanted, but I made sure that my wants are in alignment with who I really am. I was going to say something real quickly. (47:45 - 48:13) Do you think people that win the lottery, I'm always so curious, are they deeply wanting it? And then, like you said, there's entities that are supporting them. What role does, quote-unquote, luck play in things? Do you believe in luck? Well, the statistics say that a lot of people who win the lottery got rid of it after one or two years. They can't retain it. (48:13 - 48:25) So it's not really a creation from within. It's a one-hit wonder. And that applies to lottery as well as to actual pop stars that are one-hit wonders. (48:26 - 48:51) Or pop stars who have these slave contracts where they don't get any of the money. All the money goes to the producer, you know? So then as an artist, as a pop star, you're like, okay, how can I make my own music and retain some of the money? And you might be less popular, but at the very least, it's your creation, your manifestation. And that's the case with me. (48:52 - 49:01) All the money that I make from my books, not all of it, but most of it goes to me. This is my creation. Makes me independent. (49:01 - 49:15) I don't have a publisher, I publish myself. I don't have a handler. I don't have dependencies, you know? Those manifestations might be smaller, but they're more than sufficient to supply for everything you want. (49:15 - 49:24) And this whole get-rich-quick mentality is often with strings attached. And that's what they don't show you and don't teach you. Lottery. (49:24 - 49:35) What strings are attached? Well, it might be entities. It could be a fluke. I don't know what it is, but if you can't retain it, it's not new. (49:35 - 49:55) Now, if you win the lottery and you can retain it and build on it, then it was really you. Yeah, it seems as though what's required is the psychological maturity and development for what you're actually calling in. Otherwise, there's going to be a dissonance there, which won't be sustainable. (49:56 - 50:14) I'm currently diving into your recent book on secret societies. You mentioned you spent 10 years inside Freemasonry. And the initial intention was, as a conspiracy theorist yourself, to actually find out what kind of corruption or conspiracy does exist within Freemasonry. (50:14 - 50:29) Can you kind of speak into that a little bit? Yeah. As a teenager, I was highly fascinated by secrets because we're surrounded by secrecy and the unknown. We come to this Earth from the unknown. (50:30 - 50:38) What surrounds Earth is unknown. Everything is unknown. So, I'm like, okay, something is being kept secret from me. (50:39 - 50:54) So, I looked into all these secret societies and Freemasonry kept coming up. And most of the books are incredibly negative. And then the pro-Masonic books are super boring. (50:55 - 51:02) So, I read them both. Yeah. And then I joined to see what the fuss was all about. (51:05 - 51:28) I thought, okay, I'm going to infiltrate and then I'll know. And I spent about 10 years in Freemasonry and didn't learn much at all. I'm sorry to say, okay, I'm sorry to the conspiracy theorists and I'm sorry to the Freemasons. (51:28 - 51:36) They're not going to like to hear this. I didn't learn all that much. And you became master of your lodge as well, right? Yeah. (51:37 - 51:48) And you weren't invited to the next level master lodge meeting? Well, actually, I think there is a story there, isn't there? Oh, great. Great. Yeah, I was invited to other stuff too. (51:49 - 51:56) To side doors. To the side doors. And you can read all that in the book. (52:00 - 52:31) Yes. Yeah, I'm only in the early stages of it, but I guess for the kind of audiences sake, what are the real secret societies and do we know what they really are at all? I say in the book that if something were a secret society, you wouldn't know about it. You know? And I also say that everybody, when it comes to secret societies, everybody's attention goes to Freemasonry, which means Freemasonry is not it. (52:31 - 52:47) If anything, it would have to be a front for what is it. So there's no doubt for me that there are secret societies doing secret stuff. There's also the government in the US is full of security clearances at different levels. (52:48 - 53:16) And there's just too much secrecy in the world, lack of transparency. And some things are so secret that only a few people know of them, you know? And I'm still curious about all that. I think it's a worthwhile endeavor to learn secrets, because in so doing, you learn more about the context of Earth, of life here, you know, of who we are. (53:17 - 53:40) Yeah. Yeah. What are some of the most profound things that this kind of discovery has led you to in terms of like, bringing more understanding to those questions? Like, it's obvious, you know, things to me have obviously shifted in an incredible amount since kind of the COVID era. (53:41 - 54:23) Like, before then, there's many people who would have considered themselves like more conscious or kind of awakening, and recognized all this corruption taking place all around them, being peddled, and the majority of, you know, the population completely oblivious to them. But it really feels as though in the last five years, things that were so taboo, which I personally thought would never come into, you know, mainstream fray or up into the collective conscious on this level, are now just blasted wide open, you know? So, how do you perceive all that and these shifts that we are witnessing and that are taking place? Well, that's true. That's absolutely true. (54:23 - 54:37) For me, I was a conspiracy theorist in the 90s, and then between the year 2000 and 2020, I was not. I was a normie. I'd let go of all that, you know, especially because nothing happened in Freemasonry. (54:38 - 54:54) I just let go of all that, and then COVID came and turned me back to my old ways. Because I saw, oh my goodness, this is crazy. The whole world is ruled by the same people, the same system, the same party. (54:54 - 55:08) It's already a global government. Because in every single country, they were implementing the exactly same stuff, and it was also fake. And orchestrated. (55:08 - 55:24) So, COVID helped us. It turned everybody into a conspiracy theorist and made people question everything, leave no stone unturned. And then I remembered everything I had done and read as a young boy. (55:24 - 55:49) I thought, man, I should have stuck with that, you know? I should have. But I can still do it, you know? I'm not dead yet, so I still have time. But I should have stuck with it, because that was an awakening, you know? And then sometimes, the meta conspiracy theorist thinks maybe that was the whole point of COVID. (55:49 - 56:06) Maybe it was orchestrated to awaken people. Well, I mean, it feels that way. It feels as though the attempts for more force, more coercion, more slavery kind of backfired in the most beautiful, profound way. (56:07 - 57:04) And so, is there like a meta divine conspiracy where it's like it required that level of bullshit for us to kind of get to this point now? Yeah, it's a weird theory. But if you look at it in a calm moment, you're like, did they do this on purpose to awaken people? Or did they mimic? Here's a weird theory, okay? Did they mimic what the evil guys were going to do? Like, did they... Does that make sense somehow? Well, so... So, my idea is they had this plan of a pandemic, and somebody disrupted that, copied the plan, but made a mockery out of it. Rolled it out too quickly, or ineffectively, or with fake vaccines, or whatever. (57:05 - 57:17) That's sort of if... I can get along with the idea that it was kind of forced to happen before it was meant to happen. And hence, it seemed like the most sloppiest kind of performance ever. Sloppy. (57:17 - 57:30) Yeah, sloppy. Well, that's interesting, because there was a part of me that thought, because even with vaccines, things were rising up in the States. People were going to different governments, like in New Jersey, in California, they were trying to push more strong vaccine mandates. (57:31 - 57:43) And I thought more and more people were kind of awakening. So, I thought this might've been done to squash that in some level, or they rushed it out on some level, but then again, it ended up biting them in the ass. So, I don't know. (57:44 - 58:12) It's interesting to think about, but I agree with what we're talking about here is that more people definitely became aware over the last five years. Well, yeah. I think it's interesting too, Fred, like you passed the torch in the 90s and stopped at 2000 to so many people who kind of got more awake in 9-11, which that was my first foray into the conspiracy world and questioning the government was where the activities of 9-11 and then getting into the health field and the pharmaceutical industry and things like that. (58:12 - 58:31) So, welcome back, Fred. Welcome back. Like, how do you perceive the timing though? Like, is there something happening on a more macro cosmic level that is like playing down in kind of our experience here? Oh, yeah. (58:32 - 58:58) The consciousness level keeps going up and then it kind of pushes subconscious stuff to the surface. The kind of conversations we're having in 2025 would have been unthinkable even just 10 years ago. Unbelievable conversations about UFOs and all kinds of weird shit. (58:58 - 59:25) These are just my normies have these conversations now, okay? My hairdresser is saying to me, do you think these are actually government craft or demons? 10 years ago, my hairdresser would not have these conversations. So, that's consciousness going up by many points. Yeah. (59:26 - 59:53) Can you kind of speak into your work regarding levels of energy and consciousness? And is that to a similar vein of David Hawkins' work or where do you define that kind of respect? It's similar, but it also goes back to other people's work. So, I use David Hawkins' work, but this has been done since hundreds of years, thousands even. And people don't know that. (59:53 - 1:00:02) They're always like, oh, yeah, this is like David Hawkins' work. Well, it's been around for a while. I've even shared scales from back in the day. (1:00:03 - 1:00:16) So, it goes back thousands of years. The scale has always been around and it's an awesome scale. It explains everything about everything. (1:00:16 - 1:00:38) And for listeners out there who don't know it, it's called Levels of Energy. That's the book. How does, I guess, on a basic level work, how do you measure the consciousness level of something or a program or a someone or... And how can we have certain- He's measuring you right now, Joel. (1:00:38 - 1:00:58) Not at all. Once you know the levels, once you're very familiar with the levels, you feel it and see it instantly. You get it just because you're familiar. (1:00:59 - 1:01:09) Once you know the different types of snow, you know what you're dealing with instantly the moment you see the snow. If you're a skier, you just know. So, it's familiarity. (1:01:10 - 1:01:42) I mean, there's people who say it's through muscle testing or through dowsing or whatever, but to me, it's through familiarity. So, it's kind of like, I guess, you come to understand levels within yourself and that kind of becomes a barometer for how you perceive what's happening or what you're trying to measure in some capacity? Yeah. You receive an email from these two podcasters here and you kind of get the intention intuitively. (1:01:44 - 1:02:10) It's... Everybody has that capacity, to be honest. It's a sensing of what is and you have that sensing if you're free of too many judgments, too much bias, too many thoughts, if you're calm, if you're neutral, if you're relaxed. I spent much of my day in a... You see that reclining chair back there? Yeah, right there. (1:02:10 - 1:02:32) I have reclining chairs all over the house because you need to be in an alpha state most of the time if you want to be receptive to stuff. If you're too riled up, you can't receive. So, it's a form of intuition? Would you say that it's intuitive? That's raw intuition. (1:02:32 - 1:03:00) Yeah. Well, it's interesting too because it's like when I think about these levels, it's like even back to the conversation we were having before, the more access you have to yourself and the complexity within without the noise, just the understanding of what is, that you can tune into people. For instance, you see those people that constantly attract the same betrayal from friends or the same betrayal from partners and then you have people where it's like, I've never really had any fucking bad apples in my life. (1:03:01 - 1:03:22) Like I've kind of known like, oh, this person's like a cool person, a good friend. They have a good heart and like they haven't stabbed me in the back and we see that over and over again. I feel like I find that people that are more in touch with even the part of them that could stab someone in the back but doesn't, can sense that in someone and then they're like, yeah, no, you're not for me. (1:03:24 - 1:03:30) Yes, it's that easy. You just know, you've got a sense of it. It's hard to explain to people. (1:03:30 - 1:03:36) They're like, how do I do it? It's not how you do it. It's who you are. You are a receptor of energy. (1:03:37 - 1:03:47) You're born that way and in your most natural state, you just know stuff. And people like, well, how do I know it? It's not, you're born that way. You are a receptor. (1:03:47 - 1:03:59) It's like asking, how does a radio receive channels? Well, it's built that way. Yeah. And it requires this receptor to kind of be calibrated. (1:03:59 - 1:04:20) And I think the calibration is like self-trust. I think without self-trust, how can you kind of trust what you're receiving or what kind of intuitive hits that you're getting? And I think for someone whose self-trust and intuition has led them to fruitful results in their life, then that kind of compounds and that intuitive fork becomes stronger in a sense. Yeah. (1:04:21 - 1:04:38) With results, if you get a lot of correct results, like I got, I could... I knew certain things way before and I could kick myself not making money out of that. You know, I'm like, I knew it. I knew it. (1:04:38 - 1:04:42) I knew it. I knew this. I said to my wife, I told you about this five years ago. (1:04:43 - 1:04:58) I knew it. And the more that happens, the more you realize you know everything about everything. And every human being has that ability if they're, as you say, calibrated correctly. (1:04:59 - 1:05:10) And how do you calibrate yourself correctly? You need to go to your natural state. Again, uninfluenced by anything or anyone. Empty your mind. (1:05:10 - 1:05:21) Quiet your mind. Yeah. Well, to me, I think the calibration is simply building one's capacity for truth. (1:05:21 - 1:05:47) What is your relationship to truth? And for someone who continually denies truth from their life, like we were discussing earlier in this episode, even regarding like authenticity, what are my real desires? What are my real wants? Or do I just live my life subduing myself to please other people and suppress my authentic inclinations? Then I've diminished my relationship to truth. I'm burying it. I'm damaging it. (1:05:47 - 1:06:04) I'm committing the most evil act against myself. Every single time I refrain from speaking what's really on my mind or from trying to navigate and direct my life in a way that's going to steer it in greater alignments with the unique truth of who I really am and what I really want. Perfectly said. (1:06:04 - 1:06:22) If you are truthful and real, then you will see real. Yeah. And isn't that like then, like all self-development is building and nurturing your relationship to truth? Because that's going to lead you to the promised land. (1:06:22 - 1:06:43) That's going to lead you to the things that are really meant for you in more abundance and prosperity than you can ever possibly imagine. That's your job in this life, is to feel the bullshit that comes up and think about moving towards truth and just do it anyway. And the more that you build that muscle, the more beautiful and magical your life is going to be. (1:06:45 - 1:06:52) And that's something you can do day to day. Yeah. You can improve a little bit on that path every day. (1:06:53 - 1:07:05) There's always something you could be more truthful about and something that fits to you even more. That is absolutely true. That is self-development. (1:07:05 - 1:07:21) Yeah. Yeah. And it's such a beautiful journey, I think, when you really have that stark realization of what else am I here for, right? And I mean, this podcast, you made the joke in the beginning, is here for the truth for a reason. (1:07:22 - 1:07:43) What else are we here to do than to know ourselves on the deepest levels and to allow the beauty and the fruit that comes from really honoring that to manifest in our lives? And it's like you mentioned, it's something we get to work on every single day. And what a fucking gift. I agree. (1:07:46 - 1:07:56) Yeah. What more needs to be said after that? Yeah. It's almost like, I'll say one thing. (1:07:56 - 1:08:04) I don't know if it was an Aristotle quote or like the foundation, self-knowledge is the foundation of all knowledge. Yeah. And so, I think about that in that way. (1:08:04 - 1:08:38) The more I know myself, it opens me up to so much more. Yeah. Who were some of your, I guess, if there are any major influences in terms of writers, authors, teachers that brought you back to this inherent knowledge within yourself? Were there key people or key books that reminded you the most? I think it's my dissatisfaction with so many books that brought me, that developed me. (1:08:40 - 1:08:51) Reading all these books and thinking they fall short. Everything on earth seems to fall short of the ultimate. And that's on purpose. (1:08:51 - 1:08:58) That's by design, because this is not the higher realm. This is the training. So, it needs to fall short. (1:08:58 - 1:09:07) So, I thought I could do this better. Every time I read a book, I could do this much better. And that's what inspired me to write. (1:09:07 - 1:09:39) I'd read these conspiracy books, and I think, why does none of these books ever mention positive secret societies? Or why do they stop at Freemasonry? I'd read David Hawkins, say, and I'd wonder, why is David Hawkins letting his own beliefs affect his muscle testing? Every book I read fell short for me. And believe me, when I see my books, I think the same way. This is not good enough. (1:09:40 - 1:09:42) You ain't seen nothing yet. It gets better. And that's what drives me. (1:09:44 - 1:09:49) You ain't seen nothing yet. It gets much, much better. I mean, that's so resonant. (1:09:50 - 1:10:02) Like, you know, I really love my life. And I'm really, like, proud and grateful for the things that are the way they are. And just within me, it's like, the best is fucking yet to come. (1:10:02 - 1:10:36) Like, the best is yet to come. Like, it's just a matter of time. Like, this ain't over yet, you know? Speaking of positive secret societies, how do you view, I guess, this more, this conspiracy that's coming to the mainstream more, you know, regarding Q, regarding Trump being recruited by a select group of good generals to kind of save the world in the last moment? The 250 generals theory makes sense to me, believe it or not. (1:10:39 - 1:10:53) It explains so many things I wondered and scratched my head about in the last 10 years or so. A secret society of 250 generals. I even write that in the book, I think. (1:10:54 - 1:11:06) Yeah, I do mention that. But what's your question on that? I forget. Yeah, it's just your take on it in terms of like... I believe, for some reason, I believe that's true. (1:11:06 - 1:11:11) Yeah. Call it intuition. I've seen a lot. (1:11:11 - 1:11:17) That's why I believe it's true. I could tell you crazy... I'll tell you what. I'll tell you a crazy story. (1:11:17 - 1:11:36) I was living in New Zealand in 2021. And I left New Zealand while it was on lockdown. So we weren't able to travel away and come back because you had to book a quarantine hotel to come back. (1:11:36 - 1:11:43) And all quarantine hotels were booked out for years. So you couldn't book one. That means if you left, you couldn't come back. (1:11:43 - 1:11:53) We were locked into the country. And we went to this airport. We were the only people at the airport except for American military personnel. (1:11:54 - 1:12:06) So the New Zealand English is very distinct, as you know, as an Australian. And none of the people at the airport had the New Zealand accent. They were all Americans. (1:12:07 - 1:12:20) And some of them were American military. Okay. So I was like, why is the American military controlling this New Zealand airport during lockdown? Hmm. (1:12:23 - 1:12:42) That's one of maybe two dozen stories that just don't fit the narratives you hear out there. Okay. So that would mean that the US military was in control of the lockdown in New Zealand, the COVID lockdown. (1:12:46 - 1:13:03) Make of that what you will. But I believe the US military has been running a lot of stuff and possibly also the COVID stuff. Not sure about that, but it's possible. (1:13:04 - 1:13:26) Yeah. Because the other thing that kind of fits into the narrative for me is when I think about how obvious it was to anyone half rational that the 2020 election was kind of stolen and that Joe Biden is not the most popular president in US history at 81 million votes. And how much that laid the groundwork for 2024 and 2025. (1:13:27 - 1:13:46) It actually seems to be much more powerful Trump's second administration being now than it would have been in 2020. That whole 2020 era, was that necessary for even more people to awaken? Why is there this senile, delusional old man running the country? It's like there wasn't even a president. Kind of four years. (1:13:46 - 1:14:06) So that kind of even helped propel even further people's realization in what the fuck is going on. Yes. The lack of resistance toward the current Trump administration is actually proof that certain enemies have been completely taken off the board and eliminated. (1:14:06 - 1:14:19) It's like they can do whatever they want. It's pretty crazy, okay? Right now, they're just going to the IRS, going to the Department of Education as they wish. There's no resistance whatsoever. (1:14:20 - 1:14:41) So in this time period, in these five years, I think Biden, as crazy as it sounds, was used as bait. He was a puppet of the military used to bait out remaining bad actors because not all of them had been gotten rid of before. I guess to you, that makes sense. (1:14:41 - 1:14:53) It seems as though this administration has much less resistance than they did in 2016 in terms of the stated aims. That's what it seems like right now. Yeah. (1:14:53 - 1:15:02) It seems like there's no resistance whatsoever. And that's kind of strange. If you follow the mainstream narrative, that's impossible. (1:15:03 - 1:15:18) You have all the people in Congress cooperating. Everybody's just all fine with everything, cooperating. It's almost like they've all been exchanged or de-blackmailed or whatever. (1:15:19 - 1:15:22) Yeah. Yeah. So you see that. (1:15:22 - 1:15:27) I'm glad you see that too. Yeah. I mean, I definitely see it. (1:15:28 - 1:15:52) And it's interesting to observe the conspiracy mind in some circles immediately just maintain the unshakable skepticism of whoever is in power is obviously part of the conspiracy. No one can get to power unless it's part of a negative conspiracy. But I mean, from my perspective, having viewed it for over a decade now, it's like this is different. (1:15:52 - 1:16:00) It feels different to me. It doesn't have that same stench at all. If you have intuition, that's what you see. (1:16:00 - 1:16:12) And if you don't have intuition, you still think the same old guys are in power, but they're not. David Icke doesn't have intuition, apparently. Yeah. (1:16:12 - 1:16:42) It's kind of interesting observing him just continue to be the most... I hate this word blackpilled now, because I feel like it's being overused to certain degrees. But it's like, there's a zero light, there's zero credit for anything positive that is even happening. And how do you live like that? Yeah, or there's a rationalization and justification for anything positive that it's like, it's all for this movement to like more technocratic tyranny and... Yeah. (1:16:43 - 1:16:59) Yeah, the truth is, there's always been a balance of positive and negative in the world. And anybody who doesn't acknowledge the positives is clearly unaware of that, you know, even in the worst times. Yeah. (1:17:00 - 1:17:06) Yeah. It's true. There's no such thing as all negative. (1:17:06 - 1:17:11) That's always been David Icke's message. It's a false message. It's not true. (1:17:12 - 1:17:44) There's a lot of evil, but there's also a lot of good, you know? There's definitely a lot of good. And I mean, you know, we have to start with that recognition on the most micro level. If you can't recognize the balance of popularities of like good and bad, even like within your own life, how are you going to see it out there on a macro level? I just, you know, I think, you know, even based like I mentioned on, you know, my enjoyment of hermetic philosophy, like what these people's experience must be on the micro level in their personal lives. (1:17:44 - 1:18:01) Like, are you just seeing the dark as well? Or are you just over identified with, I'm so good, there could never be evil in the world at all. You know, that can never happen. I would never do that to anyone. (1:18:01 - 1:18:05) So, of course, the government or the secret society would never do that. Never, ever. Yeah. (1:18:07 - 1:18:12) Big Pharma would never do that. Yeah. Yeah. (1:18:13 - 1:18:26) There's a lot of, this is, you see, this is a training ground for discernment and all kinds of stuff, but it's also training for discernment and a lot of people are not getting it. So, they're going to have to come back. Yeah. (1:18:27 - 1:18:53) I'm here for the ride. I'm very curious how the next few years, the next five years, the next 10 years are going to turn out. And at the same time, it's, again, when you think about the duality, it's like, yeah, part of me is interested and curious of what's happening and part of me doesn't give a fuck because I'm busy doing my thing and living my life and focusing on things that I love and, you know, my work with Joel and my wife and our land and our communities. (1:18:53 - 1:19:06) Ultimately, that's not going to change no matter who's in power. And it never has. It never has, regardless of who the fuck's been elected for as long as I can remember, like that has never shifted. (1:19:07 - 1:19:21) I say this all the time. Like, I can't, okay, maybe for some people, depending on their life or, you know, privilege or whatever, like, I can't think of a time where who the president was determined the course of my life. It doesn't. (1:19:21 - 1:19:31) You create your life. That's the whole point. Anybody who thinks the government's going to do it is delusional because that's never been the case. (1:19:32 - 1:20:04) Now, I'm happy about tax cuts, okay? If they shut down the IRS, that's great. But even then, my life goes on and I have to keep creating my life. Even if they shut down the IRS, I still have to manage my own life, you know? And who says, who knows if it'll be easier or not with the IRS gone, you know? What if I, theoretically, I might become complacent, you know, and no longer give a fuck. (1:20:04 - 1:20:09) Oh, IRS is shut down. I got it made. There's no guarantees. (1:20:09 - 1:20:15) You've got to create your own life no matter who's in power. I agree. Yeah. (1:20:15 - 1:20:38) Yeah. It's interesting, the whole tax thing, you know, even like personally, my own process relating to it, like in the beginning, especially like, you know, obviously, having kind of become privy to the state of the Federal Reserve and all that bullshit, you know, some time ago, not wanting to pay taxes at all. And then like recently, I got to a point, it's like, who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? Yes. (1:20:40 - 1:20:50) Yes. Because I'm always going to get what I deserve and be left with what I deserve, what I attract. So it doesn't really matter. (1:20:51 - 1:21:02) It does matter a little to me that I'm giving my money to things that I don't agree with. So that's a bit of a downer. And I prefer that to stop. (1:21:02 - 1:21:20) And I think it will stop because we're ascending in consciousness, you know, but in the grand scheme of things, if I believe in my abundance, I'm also willing to give away money, just like that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. (1:21:20 - 1:21:54) And like, for me, it was like, the cost of like trying to operate a business or my life with some kind of niggling uncertainty in the back of my subconscious of like having to operate in the shadows or is something going to come out later in the future was not worth me just being fully truthful, being in the open and like, I'll just make more money anyway. Like, I'd rather do the action that aligns with my highest vision and highest potential than try to like, you know, yeah. There's a scarcity element to that too, you know, like, oh, I need this money. (1:21:54 - 1:22:04) I don't want to give it to the government. And it's like, well, what's the driver? What's the motivation? I realized the driver and the motivation was a small part of me. It was a scarce part of me. (1:22:05 - 1:22:13) It was a fearful part of me. And like, that's not how I want to operate my life in any arena on any level. And when I recognize that, like, that's where the work is. (1:22:15 - 1:22:18) Yeah. Yeah. Good podcast. (1:22:18 - 1:22:21) Good points. People are going to love it. Yeah. (1:22:21 - 1:22:27) Well, you made it, man. We're at 80 minutes. Thanks, Fred. (1:22:27 - 1:22:54) It's nice to share some time with you and be with you and talk about these things, you know? So I think, yeah, our audience is going to dig it and hopefully they go and, you know, buy your books and dive into this even more. Because, you know, I feel like the whole reality creation thing, you know, was maybe super simplified in the early days or even like when the secret and the law of attraction became this thing and how people talked about it. I think it's nice to get a little bit more content. (1:22:54 - 1:23:16) Well, the problem with it is that the mainstream version of New Age spirituality and manifestation, it kind of seems to attract people that want to avoid the work. They want to avoid the real work. And hence, it has led to more degradation than anything else in my personal observation as a whole. (1:23:17 - 1:23:33) People eventually give up on it because it didn't work, you know? And that's sad. They give up on something valid because they got the dumbed down version of it. But, you know, we all get what we deserve. (1:23:34 - 1:23:48) And some people look more deeply and they find more. Yeah, exactly. And the things that we're attracted to and drawn to at certain parts of our life, like that study, like that's why that's reflective of the state of your psyche at that point in time. (1:23:48 - 1:23:55) And there's nothing wrong with that. But you can't relinquish your power to anything. You need to always maintain that self-observation so you can keep it growing. (1:23:55 - 1:24:09) Why was I drawn to this teacher? Why was I drawn to this book? What is it that's happening within me at any given time? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you familiar with the system of human design at all? No. (1:24:09 - 1:24:16) Oh, interesting. I'd be very curious to know what your human design is. I'll let you speak into it a little bit. (1:24:17 - 1:24:34) Yeah, it's something that I got into like a decade ago. It's a system like kind of similar to astrology. It's based on your birth information, time and date and integrates for more ancient systems like Western astrology, a non-centered energy system, the tree of life and Chinese I Ching with some understanding of modern science. (1:24:34 - 1:24:47) And it's like you put in your information and then your chart comes out and it says all these different things about you like certain types and your inner authority, which is like a unique decision-making process. And I mean, there's a simplicity to it. It's also really complex. (1:24:48 - 1:25:10) Yeah, but basically, the way that it's kind of helped, I guess, me in my life, it's like with human design, you get a strategy and authority, which can kind of speak to the way your intuition uniquely works as well. And so, it highlights in my experience that not everyone is meant to make decisions in the same kind of way. And there's something really freeing about that as well. (1:25:10 - 1:25:27) And it's not to give your power away or to take anything as given on first glance, but to really experiment with it and to kind of see how that fits for oneself. I don't know. It's why I can't speak on it, but I can certainly speak on the fact that not everyone is supposed to make decisions in the same way. (1:25:27 - 1:25:32) And one size does not fit all. Yeah. One size does not fit all. (1:25:32 - 1:25:47) I agree. They call it the science of differentiation. And it's like tools like this, I think, just allow people to drop in a little bit more and stake their flag in the ground and get out of the compare and fucking contrast game and realize that they're a miracle, that they as an individual are a miracle, and then their life is their own. (1:25:48 - 1:25:59) And do you take ownership of it? Do you take personal responsibility? And I love what you said before, because it's a phrase that I say often. And sometimes people look at me like side-eyed when I'm pretty matter-of-factly. People get what they deserve. (1:25:59 - 1:26:09) The proof is in the pudding in your life. And if you don't want that to be the pudding that you're eating, then you need to make some changes and shift your life. Yeah. (1:26:10 - 1:26:15) It sounds hard, but it's liberating, ultimately. It's meant to be liberating. You do get what you deserve. (1:26:16 - 1:26:27) You do get what you deserve, folks. Yeah. And what you get, it can come from the most unexpected places. (1:26:28 - 1:26:57) And I think sometimes people get too caught up thinking, what I get and what comes to me needs to be from the most obvious kind of place. And sometimes we forget to take stock of the different ways in which I really am getting what I deserve. The ego is extremely limited and sinks in manifestation in very linear terms, in ridiculously limited terms. (1:26:57 - 1:27:29) But there's an intelligence and a universe and a consciousness out there that orchestrates things way, way, way beyond what your mind can imagine in the most beautiful way. And even if you're in a bad state, say, currently, one day you'll see that even that was part of the beautiful puzzle, and that the intention of this universe is to your benefit. It's benevolent, and you ain't seen nothing yet. (1:27:31 - 1:27:49) Oh, yeah. Sometimes, very often actually, God works in your life in circumstances that can feel very shitty as they're happening, you know? Oh, yeah. People have asked me, as people ask, they go, well, tell me some of the greatest experiences that you've had in your life. (1:27:50 - 1:28:04) And I, at the top of that list for me is having my heart broken and going through a dark night of, I mean, people say the soul, but the dark night. And it allowed me to be humble. It allowed me to crack my heart even open. (1:28:05 - 1:28:21) It allowed me to get to know parts of me that I hadn't known before. It allowed me to be the man that I think is worthy of my wife, that we've been together for 10 years, married six years. If I didn't have that experience, I don't think my life would have turned out the way it is. (1:28:21 - 1:28:32) And so, like, I look back, and even when I was in it, I had a small little crack in my mind that was like, this is great for you, Russell Moss. This is great. This is the experience that you need to be having, even though it felt so painful. (1:28:33 - 1:28:45) You know, just enough of that. But then as you look back on the, like Joel was saying, on these events in your life that are so painful, hopefully you can look back on them and then go, wow, they led me on this path that played a big role in where I am right now. And I can speak to that. (1:28:46 - 1:28:53) I'm so grateful for it. Yes, that's the message. Regardless of where you think you are right now, you have no idea where you are. (1:28:53 - 1:29:03) You're somewhere much better than you think. And it's all going to make sense in retrospect. However, if you're smart, it could also already make sense now. (1:29:04 - 1:29:09) Yeah, if you're really smart. I think that's a good note to end on. Absolutely. (1:29:09 - 1:29:16) Really, really appreciate your time. I've gotten lots of value out of your books. I continue to dive into them. (1:29:16 - 1:30:00) I think they're very accessible and I highly recommend people check them out. I guess in closing, Fred, is there anything you'd like to share with our audience, whether it's a message or whether, you know, how they can connect with you and kind of be immersed in your world in a greater way? My final message to you is begin by becoming authentic about your being inauthentic. Look for your authenticity and look for what you prefer to be and prefer to do and manage your attention in those directions. (1:30:00 - 1:30:18) That's really, if I had to summarize all these 50 books I wrote, that's the summary. So, you know, that's what I tell you instead of doing an ad pitch for something. Yeah. (1:30:19 - 1:30:30) Yeah, I mean, it's very, very, very simple at the core of it. It takes courage. And I think that's what we're all being called to kind of develop for sure. (1:30:31 - 1:30:39) Guys, thank you so much for listening. We're going to put all Fred's websites in the show notes. I think it's realitycreation.org. And you have another very interesting site. (1:30:40 - 1:30:51) Is it falsehistory.net? Is that correct? That's correct. Yeah, that's correct. That's your little side quest as opposed to the core work, which is a very, very well-developed side quest for sure. (1:30:52 - 1:30:55) Once again, thanks for your time. Everyone else, we'll catch you next time. Take care. (1:30:55 - 1:30:58) All right. Bye-bye. Thank you so much for listening. (1:30:59 - 1:31:11) I really love that we hit the core in that episode, especially as we warmed up, you know, three quarters of the way through. The key to self-development, truth is the highest path. This is what it is. (1:31:11 - 1:31:38) At every single crossroads, at every threshold, you were being called to make a decision to either build your capacity of truth, to generate more courage, to be more heroic, and to make a decision in greater alignment with what you genuinely desire or to kind of shy away from that fact. And I mean, like I mentioned in the intro, this is what Rise Above The Herd really does. So this is our last time ever running this program. (1:31:39 - 1:32:00) 10 weeks with myself, Erasmus, and Dr. Sophie Fletcher, hitting on this, firing on all levels, just really providing a super powerful vessel for you to shift the trajectory of your life by embodying these principles. Well said, bro. I don't have anything else to add to that except that, you know, what you said in the beginning is on point. (1:32:00 - 1:32:20) It's like you really have to get very clear on the areas of your life that you're rationalizing and justifying behavior or bullshitting yourself and just get as real as you can. Yeah. And I mean, that's the fucking secret to reality creation, right? It is becoming a real AF, and it's nothing that you don't already know. (1:32:20 - 1:32:39) It's nothing that you don't already know. This has been the case for me, the case for even all our past students. Deep down within them, they know the next decision they need to make, but there's difficulty, there's uncertainty, and making those decisions, regardless of how small in the beginning, requires uncommon courage. (1:32:39 - 1:32:55) And that's what we're all being called here to develop. And so if you value the fact that you live, if you value the fact that you have potential, then what choice do you have but to make those decisions? All right, guys. 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