Bernhard Guenther Soul Embodiment & Navigating the Unseen

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 1:48) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stelionesis. All right, everybody, welcome to episode 25 of Here for the Truth. As always, the first half of this episode will be available to the public and the second half available to our members. Today, we have an incredible guest, Bernard Gunther. Bernard has had a lifelong interest in exploring the mysteries and hidden knowledge surrounding our planet and humanity's origins, questioning the roots of what constitutes reality and how social and spiritual conditioning impacts upon our collective search for the truth in all aspects of our life. His journey over the past 25 years has also led him to the study and practice of yoga, Qigong, movement practices, psychology, shamanism, as well as various spiritual and esoteric teachings. His website, Piercing the Veil of Reality, is a wide-ranging collection of essays, films, podcasts, webinars, and interviews, ranging from spirituality, shamanism, psychology, self-work, esotericism, history, to the paranormal and hyper-dimensional realities. Bernard is working with individuals from all walks of life, helping them in their path of healing and wellness. He also hosts his own podcast, retreats, and online courses with his partner, Laura Matsu. Bernard is someone who has influenced me and my path the last two years in a big way, and I've been following his work and his essays and his podcasts and his videos. And super grateful for everything you've put forward, especially during these wild times, my man. It's such a pleasure to have you here. [Speaker 1] (1:49 - 1:51) Excellent. Thanks for having me, guys. Awesome. [Speaker 2] (1:51 - 2:15) Definitely, man. Thanks for coming on. Yeah. Where I'd really want to start with this one, because I know you've had such a rich story and such a rich journey, and such a key part of our podcast is getting the stories behind the truth. So I'd love, in a brief overview from you, just major rites of passages and red pills along the way and how things planned out for you to be where you are and stand and speak truth to power as you are. [Speaker 1] (2:17 - 11:40) Yeah, rite of passage. Many people actually don't know I was born in Los Angeles. My dad escaped Eastern Germany with his family, literally jumping off the ferry, swimming to the west side, got in prison, but then got out and then fulfilled his dream to come to the U.S. He met my mom on his way, also in a refugee camp. She escaped communist socialist Poland, so they moved to the U.S. He fulfilled his lifelong dream to study at UCLA, made his PhD. I was born there then in 72. But then my mom, thankfully, didn't want me to grow up in L.A., so they moved back to Germany. So I was one year old. I moved back to Germany, to Munich. That's where I grew up. But major milestones. I mean, usually, all I can remember, I've been a very emotionally sensitive kid. I couldn't fit in, always questioning there must be more to life, but just went along with the program like anybody else in this age. And then it didn't really hit me until after high school. I graduated from high school in Munich at the age of 19. I met a friend, and he introduced me to drums, to playing the drums. And I remember the first time I sat down playing the drums, I was holding a beat that connected me to something transcendental. So my first virtual experience, I think I had, was playing drums. It was like, wow, this is amazing. Finally, I enjoy life. And that moment, I decided this is what I want to do for the rest of my life. I'm an only child, so my parents were very happy, sarcasm, that I decided that. Dropping out of the University of Munich and just working some odd job, saving up money. And at the age of 22, in 1994, I moved to Hollywood, straight to LA, to study drums and percussion at the Musician Institute. I don't know if you guys heard of that, in the middle of Hollywood. Back then in the 90s, Hollywood was a bit more skanky than it is nowadays. It was quite a culture shock, too, from Europe, Germany, to Hollywood. There was quite an adjustment. But that's when, in my early 20s, I explored art and music and expressing myself, right? Emotionally through music and playing drums in various bands. But all along, in the back of my mind, there was always like, there must be more to life. What's really going on? There must be more than what we've been taught and told. So I always had that splinter in the mind, so to speak, that questioning. But then the trigger was really the rite of passage, was my own dealing with severe depression and despair. And all of that, just kind of like never being happy and just had my share of drug experiences and all of that. And then that question, I remember that my band fell completely apart because I got disillusioned with LA, too. With the whole pretense and image and all of that, kind of like that part of LA, right? And I remember when my band completely broke up. I was laying in bed, grew up, woke up in the morning, had a day job, just working at an animal hospital for like eight bucks an hour. And I woke up crying, really in despair, didn't know what to do. And I remember this voice or something popped in my head that told me, like, I need to figure myself out. You need to know who you are or you will kill yourself, you will die. And that was kind of like the call, like, who am I? The ultimate question, not only what's going on in the world, but who am I? And then I remember going to this bookstore. And, you know, once you answer the call, like, there's guidance, unseen synchronicities. And there was this book laying right there as if it was there for me. And it was from this guy, Krishnamurti, and was called Freedom from the Known. I was like, whoa, this is very fascinating. So I read his work, his book. And one of the first quotes that stood out to me in his book was, it's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society. And I was like, boom, I realized even that's why I'm depressed, because I'm adjusting to a world where pathology has become normalized. And I also realized that depression in that sense, what I was dealing with, was not necessarily mental illness, but a cry of the soul of something like, I cannot adjust to the world. I need to know who I am. And that kind of set up the path, right? And then I got early on also into, met my mentor out in the desert, tripping on mushrooms, doing the desert party thing. That's how it happens. He introduced me to yoga and the healing arts and body work. And, you know, so that's, I found another passion, another talent I had, doing body work, doing healing work. And I went to body work school and became a professional body worker for almost two decades. You know, and then I left the music scene behind, moved to Topanga in a little hut, literally in the hermit style, living by myself for a decade without being in a relationship even, and just like trying to understand myself, getting deep into spirituality, psychology, but at the same time questioning the world, right? So I also got deep into conspiracy work, right? And I remember that was also actually, that was also in the 90s, I got introduced to that in actually this, you know, book, William Cooper, The Horse, you know, classic, came across. And then also in the run of my, back in the days, in the 90s, my mushroom dealer gave me this VHS tape of this guy, David Icke, of one of his eight-hour or nine-hour talks that was back in the 90s. Like, holy, like that opened up definitely. I mean, people can think of David Icke, whatever they want, right? They think he's control of position, this and whatever, but he was, you know, he kind of opened up definitely the doorway, so to speak. And then I, you know, got deeper and deeper, and then eventually got also more deep into the fringe, into the UFO phenomena, right? I always knew there must be more, something else. And one book that also really was a big trigger of my awakening, that was Bringers of the Dawn by Barbara Sinyak. You guys heard of that book? It's kind of channeled material, you know, but her early work was really good. I read that also in the late 90s, so that was a big wake-up call. And then the ultimate wake-up call was 9-11, well, almost anniversary, right, 20 years ago, where I just really then, you know, started also writing, started speaking out back on MySpace in those days. And then, you know, early on, like what I realized in my own life, that it needs to happen both the inner work, the self work, very necessary to come to work through our shadow, through our traumas, wounding, and all of that, and the, quote, outer work, right? Researching, questioning what we've been told and told and told, and getting wanted to the conspiracy world and all of that. And then, you know, I took some detours into the new age pill a little bit here and there as it happened, right? I had to eat humble cake many times in my cycles of Dark Nights of the Souls and whatnot, and crazy relationships on the path and all of that. And, you know, and then kind of took a life on its own because I never really consciously planned on doing the work I'm doing. I just put my work out there, even back on MySpace, like I said, because I wanted to connect to others. And then my friend said, you should have a blog. I didn't even know what a blog was back then. Blog, what is that? So I started the WordPress thing in early 2000. And then, you know, people liked my work. And then I met my good friend, Umberto, who I mentioned before. And he said, hey, we should make some films out of your blogs. And then made the film Love, Reality, and Time of Transition, and UFOs and the Aliens, UFOs and the Question of Contact, and then another short one, Know Thyself. And that really blew up. We made those films like over like 2010, 2011, something around there. And that really blew up. And then, you know, more people came to me. And at the same time, I was doing body work, right? I had my own practice. And that morphed then into also more holistic coaching and all of that. Started doing retreats at some point. And I spent some time in Peru as well, you know, in the jungle, and worked with curanderos and kind of the medicine path for a bit. But kind of got disillusioned with that as well. And, you know, I never stayed with one thing. Like it was always just whatever would lead me next, right? And I grabbed for various teachings. And, you know, as the saying goes, once you answer the call, like the classical hero's journey, then the guidance comes, the interferences come as well. But maybe you guys can relate. One of the worst, you know, experiences I had in my life were actually all rite of passages. Because for me, what I see about life, that all these are lessons, right? So there's a bigger lesson in all of that. So I also understood early on not to get into the victim state, right? Or the world is doing this to me and all of that. And even when we are now speaking out against what's happening in the world, yeah, we need to speak out, but also careful that we don't get into shadow projection and all of that, right? So otherwise we become that what we fight against, so to speak, or become puppets to other forces we may not be even aware of. And I'm constantly in the same work. It just keeps on expanding. And then I met Laura, you know, that was really divine guidance as well, my wife. And we started doing the work together, started doing courses together, retreats. And we escaped LA last year, living in Arizona now. And who knows what the future holds. So that's it kind of in a nutshell, I guess. [Speaker 3] (11:41 - 12:08) Thank you so much for sharing all that. Hearing you speak, it's just pretty awesome because I left East Coast. I came to California. I was on an acting path. And then I went through my own, let's say, dark nights of the soul. I'm a body worker as well. I feel like each new thing leads to the next thing for me. So it's just really cool. It's really inspiring to hear you speak. I don't know, maybe I'll escape from LA one day too. I don't know. We'll see. [Speaker 1] (12:08 - 12:55) I think it's always like, you know, when you know, you know. It's like a natural call that happens, you know, for the same reasons you came to LA. And then at some point, maybe, who knows, you know, maybe you just needed that. That's why I feel like what I also realized that this path is highly individualistic. We are all individuals, right, based on not only our current life, but past life, karma, soul lessons, who knows, destiny, purpose, and all of that. So what I also learned, I need to watch out, you know, in my own practice, I've had to learn not to give advice to others. What I know works for me, but may not work for others. So that's tricky. We always, out of our well-meaning intention, tell others what to do, but that may work for us, but not for others, right? Because I still have many friends in LA, and for them, like, hey, maybe this is where you need to be. Because we felt a strong call. [Speaker 3] (12:56 - 13:13) I agree with you. I think it depends on the individual and what works. You know, I know you're a student. I believe you're a student in human design too. So I think, again, it's just like what may work for one type, one profile, one way of being, or one authority is going to be different for the others. So it is definitely individualistic. [Speaker 2] (13:13 - 14:12) Yeah. And I mean, individuality in general is a mass awakening, you know, because, I mean, I think for so many on a path, we so quickly adopt these cookie cutter models of what it is to be spiritual or what it is to be on some kind of authentic path. But how can there be authenticity if it's shared with another? And often the only advice that I give anyone is you know what to do, right? And as hard as it may seem, you've got to start trusting that call and start trusting that little voice on some level. Because until you listen to that voice, then make an action based upon what it's speaking to you, then you're never going to develop that trust or develop that intuition and build that strength and flex that discernment to continue on that path. And your video, Know Thyself, that was a big one for me, and I guess it was the final shattering of my New Age style in a big kind of way. I mean, how do you see New Age spirituality and how people can kind of break free from that group on some level? [Speaker 1] (14:13 - 19:06) Well, I see different phases. I think it kind of lost momentum after 2012 when there was no mass awakening or mass ascension happening, right? All these prophecies didn't turn out. I think there's a revival happening now because I see now all of a sudden, because of what's happening in the world, right? There's a silver lining. More people are questioning and waking up, but I see more people gravitating to the fast food spirituality, as I call it, right? The New Age and all of that. And for me, it's really hard because I've learned also it's not black and white. When you say New Age, everybody has, first of all, a different definition of it. I've been called a New Ager because I do body work and massage. So for me, New Age in a nutshell, first of all, when we look at the definition, it's just very superficial pop spirituality that only kind of tries to force you in a positive state constantly without looking at the dark, even denying the dark and misapplying higher truths that are true from a higher level, but you cannot just apply them right now. For example, all is one, hence we are all the same. No, we're not all the same. We are all one, yes, but there are vast different levels of being. From a higher level, all is love. You know what I mean? Everything is an illusion. Yeah, that's true, but that doesn't help us right now as well. We need to deal on that level where we're at right now. So I think it's truth mixed with lies. And I've been more like – I'm sure you guys heard of Marc Pazio, right? His New Age bullshit thing and all of that, which I kind of appreciate, but I think I have more compassion for people who get into New Age because I've gotten into it. I can see the temptation, right? You get in there with well-meaning intentions. But if you're really sincere, you will see – it comes down to sincerity, really. If you're really sincere, you will see not only limitations but the harm of it all, and then you will have to learn the hard way. That's really what it comes down to. But you can see it from different levels. You can also see how the New Age has been socially engineered since the 50s, 60s, and all of that with the hippie movement and CIA involvement and all the New World Order and all of this and one world religion and all of that. That's where the New Age ties into all of that. But again, that's why the work we do with my wife and I, my work with people, the first question really is, how sincere are you? Because that's really what it comes down to. If you look at all the esoteric teaching, there's even the saying in the Bible, ask and ask and knock and knock and you shall receive, which has been very distorted in the New Age as well, kind of like turning it into some manifesting your desires. But that saying is about the sincerity. The more sincere you ask, the more truly you receive. That's what you need, the true teachings and all of that, and the path opens up. So that's really what it comes down to, because even in this day and age, I see a lot of people abusing the word awaken. I'm awake and all of that. I'm not awake in the true meaning of the word. That's what we're talking about. You can be, quote, awake to some level of how the 3D matrix maybe works, but the process of awakening, that's the great work. I remember I'm a big fan. I like Adyashanti's work a lot as well. I remember in his book, The End of Your World, one of the questions to students is like, or in general he asks, do you really want to awaken or just be happy in your dream life? Because he also realized a lot of people who talk about awakening, they don't really want to awaken. They just want to be happy in their dream life. Even the work we're doing in our courses, we make it clear it's not a personality developmental course. If you want that, go listen to Anthony Robbins or somebody else. Nothing against them. We need that as well to a degree, but we want to go beyond desires, beyond personality, to awaken to who you truly are in the true nature. That path is not a walk in the garden, so to speak. It brings up everything that is unconscious and unawake. I think a lot of people who go into the new age, they fall easily into spiritual bypassing because the true awakening path is not pretty. It brings out its shadow work. That's really what it comes down to. It's very uncomfortable and you deal with a lot of stuff. I can see it myself. I've been suppressing not only this lifetime but past lives, so it's a battle really. But back to the question, I can see how people get tempted into the new age and that's also how I feel the matrix tries to steer people away by distorting truth, so to speak. [Speaker 2] (19:07 - 19:39) Yes. For me, I think anything that negates personal responsibility should be a warning sign for most people. You brought it up, so let's go there. The matrix control system, how do you see that in play at this point in time and what are potential traps at the moment? Can you give us a brief overview, basically, first of how you perceive the matrix control system, what that is even at a definition level? [Speaker 1] (19:40 - 25:43) Yes. On the basic level, I see it like my colleague and friend Tom Montag, he called it the paradox. It's a prison and school at the same time. That's the way I see it as well. Then we're also talking about what level are we talking about because the way I see it on the very basic level, what I see people now waking up is to the superficial layers of the 3D matrix, the physical matrix. We see the corrupt institutions, government, globalist agendas and all of it, even Illuminati, secret societies. I still see this on a superficial 3D level and then it goes deeper from there. Then you can even go more into the 4D, the non-physical matrix. That's, I feel, the root of it all. I think the 3D matrix is just the manifestation of the hyperdimensional 4D non-physical matrix. That is the ultimate secret, the topic of all topics, as Castaneda has talked about and various other teachings talked about these forces that manipulate humanity from unseen realms, that we are actually not on top of the food chain for once and also living under the illusion of free will because where are the thoughts coming from and where we can easily manipulate it from other realms. Then I see it from these two different levels, the 3D matrix, the 4D matrix. Even when you look at what we perceive as psychopaths, the globalists right now controlling the world and especially now with COVID and all the Klaus Schwab's out there and Gates and Fauci's and all that, for me, they're just puppets themselves. I think the trap is just, yeah, we need to counteract on some level, but the trap is when you just focus on these personalities and project your hate and anger onto them because they're expendable anyway. From my perspective, they are fully possessed by some sort of other force, occult, as Sri Aurobindo would call it, a hidden force, occult force. But I think what we are experiencing now is the ultimate alien invasion through our own bodies. That's, for me, the ultimate secret. Even in light of the alien topic, when we are speaking of aliens, that these are not necessarily beings from other planets, but they've always been here interdimensionally interacting. They have worked to this endgame right now, excuse me, for thousands and thousands of years to prime our bodies to use as incarnational opportunities because that's the only way they can exist or interact with this reality. It ties into the jab and all of that as well. It's maybe a bit far out there, but for me right now, what I'm seeing confirms everything I've been researching for the past 20 years. I see this more from the hyperdimensional perspective, the matrix. Literally, I feel a good example is, it's cliche, but the matrix, the movie, with the machines and the humans being used as batteries. That's kind of similar, like our life force is being used as food. Food is not necessarily physical food, but whatever we emanate from our lower nature, sexual pathologies or projections emotionally and whatnot, this is what other beings feed off of. They want to keep us in this frequency prison, especially fighting each other and whatnot. But what I've also realized and what's really important to note and written in all complete esoteric teachings, in particular, what I've gotten into lately is Sri Aurobindo's Integral Yoga. He put this whole matrix set up with the occult forces, other beings, and this higher picture of the evolution of consciousness. Because they have their teaching function as well, these evil entities. Some people on the left-hand path, the occultists, they make more conscious connection with these beings to get more power and whatnot. But these forces can only get to us, what I realize, where they have certain entry points within us. And the entry points are our blind spots, our shadow aspects, traumas, wounds. Even now, we're under a collective trauma installment program, so to speak, and fear is the ultimate frequency that the matrix vibrates on. That's what these forces also then lock into. So it's all about frequency. But when you study the occult esoteric teachings about these forces, you can utilize them as teachers, because they can only come in where you have the entry point. And I've seen this in myself in my own journey, and I've been through quite some hyper-dimensional warfare, interferences, dealing with attachments, and all of that, and had to do my own exorcisms here and there. But what I realized is, again, that they serve their purpose because they got into something that I wasn't fully aware of through my own wounds and traumas. So the more we engage in the great work, which is the alchemical work to transcend the matrix, which works on the basic psychological level, doing some basic psychological somatic work, shadow work, and all of that, up to spiritual work, the more we anchor the soul, that's the true meaning of embodiment, to bring the soul to the front, as Sri Upanishad would say, or Gurdjieff, and the more we anchor the divine within and connect it consciously to essence, the less we are affected by these other forces, and the more we transcend the matrix and create a new reality. But in the context of the evolution of consciousness, I see these forces, or evil, playing its part as well. We need this, again, the paradox, the friction, we need the friction in order to evolve, to wake up. And even now, with what's happening in the world, it's craziness in Australia and all over the world, and they're coming down with the draconian awareness measures, but it also triggers an awakening of people who would have maybe never questioned anything before. So that's, in a nutshell, I kind of see the matrix on these different levels, the 3D, but I look at more from the 4D, the non-physical level, but then also in the context of the evolution of consciousness and how we can use it as a teaching function. [Speaker 3] (25:45 - 26:00) Awesome. I have a question. Do you think there are, when you consider substances, drugs, alcohol, etc., are those substances that open oneself up to entities to come in? I'm curious your thought on that. [Speaker 1] (26:00 - 29:33) Yeah. I think, yes. Again, it depends on the individual. It depends on the context. It depends how much, right? I mean, I've done it all. I told it back in my musician days, my amphetamine days. I've done heroin, all of that, until I found mushrooms. That opened up a whole new world. And I believe, let's talk about psychedelics a bit. I've worked a lot of psychedelics, in particular mushrooms, DMT, and ayahuasca, and two things that has helped me on some level, right? To kind of work on myself, especially a lot of childhood stuff, childhood wounding trauma work, to do the inner work, it helped to reveal a lot. But I've also seen in myself it brought up too much too fast. I wasn't able to integrate it. And then what I also know, that got me actually into this topic, by the way, into this whole hyperdimensional called topic, because I remember back in the late 90s, early 2000s, I got deep into Terence McKenna's work. So I was working this heroic dose, five grams, between five and seven grams, by myself, locked into the rehearsal room of my band. I'm just, okay, let's go there. And I had quite a few experiences. What always struck me, I didn't have, quote, spiritual experiences, but I was very alien. I was entering an alien world. There were other beings, right? So in these journeys, and then I was experimenting heavily with DMT as well, with these machine elves and whatnot. But at some point, I brought something back too. So I had something within attached to me. So I had to then kind of work through that, so to speak, even working with a shaman and whatnot to get rid of it. So I knew that there's something else that can easily, you open yourself up to a different reality. And depending what substance it is, you enter that reality, right? And especially alcohol and amphetamines is more the lower level of, you know, definitely. So I even see, feel, I mean, that's, as I was studying more, especially Sufism and Arab mythology, you know, they are completely against alcohol because for them, alcohol, even the word relates to some sort of demon or some sort of entity, what they're referred to, right? And, you know, that's what I see now when people get completely drunk, black have a black on alcohol, like for that time, something else took them over and they were out of body and something else came in, right? And if you really go now into bars and nightclubs, everything has become so normal. It's in drunk people and the sexual energy and the hookup culture. It's like infestive entities if you would have the clairvoyant eyes to see, right? And it's not to say that, you know, if you have a glass of wine here and there in the evening, that's not a big deal. But, you know, if you really, like, you know, get pissed, so to speak, that's a whole different story. So definitely can open up other realms. And I feel if you're more sincere in your own practice, on all levels, you become more sensitive to these substances and what you enter. So naturally, you're kind of, like, reluctant, I think, to engage in that, right? The whole psychedelic scene and ayahuasca, that's a whole topic on its own. I've written a big essay on it because I feel there's a whole other side to the ayahuasca thing which became very popular, right? I see there are a lot of, you know, again, it's not black and white. I don't want to throw the baby with the bathwater, but in my work, I've quite dealt with a lot of people who were, you know, dealing with some severe entity attachments based on the ayahuasca ceremonies gone wrong. So that can happen as well. [Speaker 3] (29:34 - 29:58) Yeah, I'm happy that you brought that up. I'll have to check out your essay because especially living in Los Angeles, it's like this thing where someone's like, I have my shaman and I do ayahuasca all the time. And it's just got so popular. And I was just curious to hear your thoughts on that because it's just, where's the sincerity as opposed to it's just some other thing to attach to and to make part of your, as your identity. [Speaker 1] (29:58 - 30:08) And then talking about new age, it's easy to spiritual bypass. People get hooked on the peak experience, you know, and I'm enlightened and I'm a shaman now because I had two ayahuasca ceremonies. [Speaker 3] (30:09 - 30:42) Yeah, no, exactly. And listen, at the end of the day, a person's going to be on their journey. I've done some crazy things, but it's just interesting to consider because you said something before too that I love that you said is things can come up too quickly, too fast. And if they don't have the psychological foundation and understanding of the structures of the psyche and their self, like what is that going to do to them? You know, how do they integrate it in their life, in their soma, etc. So, you know, these medicines, these substances are super powerful and it's not just like, oh, my friend, we're going to Peru and we're just going to do it. We're going to do a thing, you know? So, cool. [Speaker 2] (30:43 - 31:39) Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think intention is such a big part as well because most people, not most, I don't know, but I mean, a wide range of people, I'm sure would be looking to these substances as a form of escape, right? And if the intention is to escape, then we're going to be disembodied in that process. And the moment that, you know, we become disembodied, then, of course, we're opening ourselves up to be, I guess, attached to by some other form of entity. So, I don't know. Like, I don't really, I've never done ayahuasca. I haven't really abused any kind of substance or psychedelic, but, you know, I've smoked a fair bit of weed in my day kind of thing. And initially my use of that was to escape. You know what I mean? I didn't want to be where I was. I didn't want to deal with what I had to deal with. And, you know what I mean? The fallout from that was never good. But I think if we go into something with the intention to ground and to center and to, I guess, check in with what we need to check in with in more of an embodied way, then that can be quite beneficial. [Speaker 1] (31:40 - 32:39) No, I agree. I mean, as I said, it's intention, you know? And even like with ayahuasca, just on that note, you know, I was just talking to Laura the other day. Nowadays, you know, we go, like, especially in Tupanga, I know, like, I've never been done ayahuasca because of it, but I know there are all these kind of groups and here and there. But, you know, I don't want to sit with 20 or 30 or 40 people I've never met before and open everything up when the traditional way, you have to understand, you know, people work, grow up together in a tribe and you do, like, maybe one or two people with the shaman and that's it. You know what I mean? Instead of like these 20 strangers from all over the world. And, you know, I mean, I've had experiences, I know this medicine woman, shaman woman from Peru I was good friends with. She told me about scenarios where literally, like, the shaman was not holding space correctly and she's very clever and you see some entity coming out of one person jumping into the next, right? Because everything is open. That's that. [Speaker 3] (32:39 - 33:21) Yeah, I was in Peru in 2018 and that's when I had my only ayahuasca experiences. I did stick ceremonies over nine days and it was a pretty intense experience but I was by myself for the first two and then there were a couple other people. So it wasn't this whole, like, huge group thing. I mean, I enjoyed it for what it was. Afterwards, I didn't feel the desire to keep doing it but I had some powerful insights but I can only imagine, like, being in a group of 20, 30 people, you know, what can come up, how entities can maybe bounce from person to person. I mean, it's, again, it's, this is powerful stuff. It's not something just to be like, oh, my Sunday's open. I'm just going to go over to the pain center and do this. Exactly, yeah. [Speaker 2] (33:22 - 33:52) Yeah, I mean, because I guess, like, on one level, we're more easily manipulated when we haven't done that shadow work, right? When we haven't really dealt with those traumas. When we haven't really had that deep look in the mirror or had those hard conversations we need to have had. And from the other side, like these, I guess, unseen occult forces they prey on the fact that we're not willing to go there within ourselves. Yes. Is that how you see it? [Speaker 1] (33:52 - 39:30) Exactly. You know, because the more you make the darkness conscious, that's how, because I've learned a lot. I mean, I have a whole webinar on my website, eight hour webinar called Occult Forces of Hyperdimensions where I kind of condense my research and experiences because it's a vast topic and it has become more popular. This topic I've noticed over the past four or five years, right? And with the popularity, which is great, bring it to awareness, but with a lot of distortions and see a lot of people still like blaming entities, you know? Or people like contact me out of nowhere and like, I have 24 entities attached to me. Can you get rid of them? So, you know, you have to be, first of all, an extreme high level of being to really see entities and know how much attention. I'm not clairvoyant, so I'm not, I don't see anything. I can have certain senses, but I also know I fool myself, you know? A lot of what I thought were entities were my own thought projections, you know? And then what people are actually dealing with is their own basic shadow stuff and not necessarily, yeah, entities maybe come in, you know, and they exaggerate it, but they're not necessarily attached to it. So what I see, the danger right now, which is also all the occult teachings have talked about this as well, people dabble in the occult, they get into these topics and entities without having the psychological or even spiritual foundation, right? And then they can easily get lost in the maze of the occult, which even Sri Aurobindo warned about. And I've seen this a lot, people losing it, you know, in the rabbit hole of the occult, so to speak, and getting lost in shadow projection, even completely going maniac and whatnot and seeing entities everywhere and like getting in complete, in paranoia as well, which is what these forces want as well. So it's really important. It's why even with Lore and I, the work we're doing right now, as people are more awake and we help people to work on the foundation, this is the most important part, which is like, it starts with basic shadow work, you know, understanding Jungian psychology on the most fundamental level, which a lot of people talk about but don't really apply it because it's easy to talk about triggers, you know, when you're not triggered and projections and all of that and really owning that and understanding where it comes from, right, on a very basic level and that goes back into basic childhood wounding, trauma work and all that and especially the body work, the somatic approach, right, not just head-centric analysis. I'm sure you guys can relate to it. I mean, I have a strong intellect and it used to work against me because intellectually I understood shadow work and this relates to this and that and because I just understood intellectually where my childhood wounding comes from, I thought I'd healed myself but it's still in the body, right? The work is through the body. That's the key point and a lot of people, especially in this information age, are out of body and we're getting addicted to information and that's another thing, especially in the truth movement or conspiracy world and all of that. Yeah, we need to share information, become aware but then I see a lot of people losing track. So why do you seek truth to begin with, right? What's your intention? So ultimately, it should be to awaken, right? So there needs to be other work because it's impossible to figure out the matrix and everything and you're called just intellectually alone. There's no way, right? And that's what I learned more and more. So having more the humility to embrace the unknown, right, or the mystery of life which I simply cannot understand. The more I know, the less I know, so to speak, right, intellectually. And then at some point in the journey, as it has been in my life, especially over the past few years, is bringing God into the picture, the divine, the surrender. And that's another, you know, tricky topic or trigger topic, God, because we associate with dogmatic religion out there and we know, yes, religion has been used for social control as well but again, we don't want to throw the baby of the bathwater, right? So then the spiritual aspect, but going back to the initial point, I think the psychological foundation is very important in this day and age, right? And the more you do that, then you automatically close off the entry points, right? And I still, I think it's good to know, to understand, like going by know thy enemy, right? And, you know, understanding how these forces operate, the modus operandi, right? But you don't dwell on it. You see, people can get very much into these topics out of like curiosity, novelty and go more and more, but what's the point? Like it's similar, like when you're in traffic, I like the analogy, like you need to know the traffic rules, right? So you don't get hit by a car, right? And so look left and right, know the rules and all of that, but you don't, you know, get in your car constantly thinking about, oh my God, I'm going to get in an accident, where's the next car coming and all of that. So you're going to be aware of it. Similar with shadow work, right? Like make the shadow or like make the darkness conscious, but don't dwell on it. Same as we're seeing in the world right now, right? We need to be aware of the dark, make it conscious, but I can see how people easily slip into doom and gloom. That's what these forces want too, right? So we focus on the negative timeline. The other opposite is the new age who just completely ignores that, right? And just wants to pretend that there's only love and light. But in a sense, we need both, like being aware, but also having this warrior attitude of this health and detachment, right? And then working on yourself, healing yourself, do the work, use this as fertile ground to do the great work and also focus on creating a new world in the positive sense, using our creative potential because that's what these so-called forces also use. They use our creative potential to create their reality, right? That's why these millions of people now hijack also Wetiko. I'm not sure, but I'm sure maybe you guys heard of Wetiko. [Speaker 3] (39:30 - 39:31) I have the book by Politika. [Speaker 1] (39:32 - 40:13) Exactly. So that's what's, you know, Wetiko is taking humans over. And, you know, we see this right now with the woke cult, the covert cult. They have no mind, no beliefs, nothing on their own. It's like a group entity that has hijacked them and working through them to install their totalitarian, you know, takeover, so to speak. So we need to take back our creativity, our soul essence, right? Our divine given creative power to withstand, you know, these forces, these other divine forces bringing the light through the inner work, anchoring the divine and create a positive timeline. So it's also about creating a new world, not just pointing out of what's wrong. I think that's very important in this day and age. [Speaker 3] (40:15 - 41:19) Bernard, you're speaking my language 100% and, you know, my foundational, like, education was very intellectual and psychological and let me just get more and more information. But once I went into the physical body, once I got into really deep body work into the Soma, I mean, my view is the body is the unconscious. The body is a vehicle for the unconscious. The body is the shadow. So when you're working with altering structure, working with the tissue, manipulating it, working with the bioenergy, like, from a more Reikian standpoint, it really is, I mean, that changed my life more than anything. It anchored me more than anything. And I think it's, I think something that more and more people are waking up to. It's not just, like, let me read a book or go to talk therapy, but, oh, wow, there's this thing called body work. Someone told me about it. Exactly. And it's really cool. It's cool to experience. So it's, yeah, it's important to, there's different access points, but I think working with this physical body is such a powerful way to do shadow work and to transform and to have those things bubble up so you can face them and deal with them and integrate them. [Speaker 1] (41:19 - 42:00) Exactly. Yeah, the karma is in the body, so to speak, you know. And I think also nowadays there's a lot of, like, you know, psychology has moved to this more somatic approach, right, which is really, you know, there's new modalities coming out that are really helpful in this day and age. And too many people go into, like, you know, this nostalgia of just, like, the truth is somewhere and we need to travel to the East, to India and whatnot. And there's great wisdom and spirituality there as well. I learn a lot from that. But as, quote, as Westerners of our, you know, growing up, we also need to have a different approach than people from a different, you know, they grew up differently. Same with what we talked about about shamanism and ayahuasca and all of that, right? Yeah. [Speaker 3] (42:00 - 42:31) My wife and I just finished Peter Levine's Somatic, well, Somatic Experiencing, which is based on Peter Levine's work. Excellent book. It's just another subtle way and, you know, more social workers, more psychotherapists, psychologists are utilizing these tools where it's like, let's just not talk about our problems all day, but, okay, as you're saying this, what are you noticing in your body? Exactly. What image comes to you? Okay, as you, as you're tuning into this image, what are you feeling in your body? So it's just, again, it's a more direct way of working with the nervous system, which on some level you can see you're your nervous system on some foundational level. [Speaker 2] (42:31 - 43:10) So, yeah, it's good to see. I feel on a basic level, the biggest disconnect is people forget their bodies are even there, right? We're just floating heads most of the time and we think that spirituality and understanding nature and reality is all, it's all, it's all intellectual, right? But really, we're not even present in our bodies. We're not feeling any energy or any, any anchor within our bodies itself. And that's, that's why we get so lost. And that's why we get so far off track because there's no anchor point. We're not grounded anywhere. It's just, you know, oh, I know this information now. I'm special, right? I'm on some kind of path because this information is coming to me kind of thing. That's, that's, that's what I see anyway. [Speaker 1] (43:11 - 43:46) That's very, that's very important because I noticed that as well, like, as I mentioned before, Laura and I, we're doing these, these courses embodied soul awakenings as an integral approach based on the fourfold approach as we call it, holistic self-work, working on all levels, physical, somatically, emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. But, you know, as people get into, you know, sometimes during these courses because of my work, they want to get into the occult, the esoteric, the metaphysical, the matrix and all of that. And then you ask, you know, like, so, you know, but like, like you just mentioned, Joe, like you asked them, so what's going in your body? How are you feeling in your body? And some people cannot even answer that question. [Speaker 3] (43:46 - 43:47) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (43:47 - 44:55) Like, you know, so disconnected, they don't even know how they feel or they mistake perceptions for feelings. You know, oh, I feel, I feel abandoned. I feel, I feel betrayed. Well, that's not a feeling. That's a perception, right? And where's that coming from? Does it remind you of and that already opens, can open a doorway like a can of worms to, you know, something that may have happened in childhood, they maybe normalized or forgotten about, right? But the entry point is really like, you know, the basic foundation of self work, what really people need to understand is just the ability to observe yourself as Goethe called self remembering, right, on all levels to be really aware of your body and what's happening there and sensing even just that awareness alone, I'm sure as you guys know, creates change. I know this from my own, from, from, you know, just my own body work and doing body mind practices. Just being aware of what's going on in your body without trying to identify it, without trying to judge it, without even trying to change it, that already like creates change. But we need to have that awareness and we need to get out of here into here. [Speaker 3] (44:55 - 45:18) Yeah. Even the simple act of I'm picking some type of food up and I'm putting it into my mouth, like what is it that I'm actually doing? And how is this nourishing me? Like the simplicity of like I'm drinking. It's just like this mindless. I'm picking something up. I'm stuffing my face. Like not even that just slowing down and being present and aware of the simple act of how you nourish yourself. Exactly. [Speaker 2] (45:19 - 45:52) Yeah. There's so much more to unpack here, but let's, let's leave it here for the first half to our public audience. We're going to, we're going to let you go here. Thank you so much for joining us. If you'd like to continue listening and check out all our other members only content, please visit us on Patreon. Thank you. All right. So our members, welcome back. We're going to continue this incredible dialogue with Bernard Gunther. Bernard, one thing you speak about often, and obviously we're in wild times at the moment, is embodying the warrior archetype. What is that? And how do people do that? [Speaker 3] (45:54 - 45:56) Well, Step one. [Speaker 1] (45:56 - 50:12) Step two. Exactly. And now you're the warrior. Exactly. Well, the warrior, you can see it from different angles. I think the warrior archetype also ties into embodying the healthy masculine principle, which, as we can see, has been very diminished. The feminization of men or talking, I'm sure you guys are aware of mistaking toxic masculinity with actually healthy masculinity, this whole inversion, right? But I'm talking about also masculine principle, not gender, but the masculine principle, right, of action, of also boundaries. And warrior archetype in this day and age, meaning also standing up against the evil, against the anti-divine forces. And I feel a lot of spirituality, speaking about new age, has been distorted in the idea of just not resisting, right, or not counteracting, and just sitting back and turning the other cheek or just meditating on love and peace or the distortion of reality creation, you know what I mean, that you live just in a bubble and you just need to focus on what reality you want to create and all of that. And all of these are distortions. It's very important in this day and age to counteract, as I would call, the anti-divine forces, you know. And I mentioned Sri Aurobindo before. His work of Integral Yoga really helped me to not only clarify, confirm my own insights and experiences in many ways because Sri Aurobindo was not your typical guru. He was highly critical of the aesthetics in India and even highly critical of Gandhi and the nonviolence principle and all of that. Very, very fascinating. And he talked about the necessity to destroy the anti-divine forces. Yes, from a higher perspective, that's how people get confused there's only one. The divine and even evil is an aspect of the light, so to speak, like the yin and yang sign, right? But essentially, to understand, a lot of people say we need to get out of duality, for example, right? Don't feed, don't choose sides, just stay neutral. But a lot of people, to be truly in a non-dual state literally equals enlightenment and people approach it intellectually, which I've done as well and then abused it, so to speak, because actually, for example, dark and light or good and evil is not a duality, right? Because evil does not depend on, cannot exist by itself, right? There's only light and then there's ignorance. So there's importance to counteract, to make the darkness conscious, right? From a yang-yang perspective, maybe, or counteract the anti-divine forces and resist them. And we need also action and will and how this ties into the warrior archetype, for example, how it ties into the healthy principle, the aggression principle, right? Which is also mistaken as violence. But the healthy aggression principle from a warrior archetype perspective or the healthy masculine perspective is being decisive, right? Action-oriented and just doing what needs to be done. And also then alignment, alignment with truth and standing up for something, having a high ideal, that's the ultimate warrior archetype, is to stand up for something that transcends your own personal desires and goals and aims. And I think that's a lot of people are being called to do that, almost forced. This is not about just our own personal wants and needs. This is standing up for something bigger, you know? And I think that's where the warrior archetype comes in. And, you know, like any archetype, some people are more drawn to this and that, but, you know, everybody's, again, different. We know that as an individual. But it is important right now, you know, to really make a stand, you know? Even we see the protests, finding good, but even protesting is not enough. The way I see the warrior archetype to happen right now in the very practical level is complete civil disobedience and non-compliance, without bargain, without compromise, right? Saying no to any Vax Passports, to the JAP and all of, whatever the consequences may be, you know? I see a lot of people, you know, have compassion, oh, my job, you know, they're getting... That's how the matrix works, by the way, as well. Temptation and force and, like, make it harder to live so you finally take the JAP, so you can go to your concert or bar or even your job. But, you know, say, like, I think you guys had this doctor, this woman on. I like her tweet. She posted something, don't take the JAP. [Speaker 3] (50:12 - 50:13) Melissa Zell? [Speaker 1] (50:13 - 50:14) Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 3] (50:14 - 50:15) She's amazing. [Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:22) Yeah, yeah. I posted a tweet about, you know, don't take the, quit the job that requires the JAP or something. [Speaker 3] (50:22 - 50:22) Yeah, yeah, yeah. [Speaker 1] (50:22 - 51:47) She had the tweet out, right? And she made a good point, adapt, evolve, right? Exactly. That's what I see, the silver lining, you know, to step out. Even I, by the way, I still, last year living in Topanga, I was still working as a body worker. I had my own practice, but I was working at this retreat center called the Ashram in Malibu, right? And they started then requesting, first to shut down, then requesting masks. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to do this anymore. So I knew this, they paid me well. It was a big jump into the unknown, but then it forced me, okay, if my wife, let's do something else, do courses. Like, it forced us to be creative, to be inventive, and jumping, and like, we're actually doing pretty well, right? So there's an opportunity I feel right now in all of this, right? In light of the warrior archetype and in light of decentralizing, basically. But it takes, what it requires is taking self-responsibility, you know, not making yourself dependent on your employer, on mommy government for payouts and unemployment and all of that. But there's a silver lining, but it requires work, it requires the warrior attitude, right? To be in battle. And, you know, the other thing what's happening right now, it really forces people to focus on what truly matters. I think that's also a great thing, like not to waste time and energy, and that's also the warrior thing, right? To stay focused on what truly matters. And there's one book, maybe you guys have been aware of it. [Speaker 3] (51:48 - 51:52) Have you guys heard of this book? Yeah, The King, Magician, Warrior, Magician, Lover, yeah. [Speaker 1] (51:52 - 54:39) It's an older book from the 90s, but it's really good. And they describe the warrior archetype very well. It's more geared for the, you know, for men, for the healthy masculine. But again, you can draw the masculine principle of the warrior, which goes for me for both men or women in general. But it is really about the necessity to step up and not getting into the fear frequency and standing up, also being authentic. We talked about this before, right? Speaking up, just speaking up that alone. And too many people are afraid still to speak up, right? Not only because of maybe getting censored, but they're afraid of what their friends may think, their families, and all of that. But that's part of the evolution. You need to embody the warrior archetype in order to individuate. And individuation is the process. And right now, you can see it from different perspectives, right? You can see it from the younger perspective, getting out of the consensus state to individuate or separate from the mass. I know you guys into human designs. It's the same principle. Get out of the non-self into the true self, right? Your individual self, right? And it will always create opposition. You can even see it from the matrix. Once you step into your individual self, there will be opposition. People have this idea if they individuate that everybody or like... Let's put it this way. Adyashanti made a good point. People think enlightenment means that everybody is going to love them all of a sudden, right? And that's not the case. That path, if you even look at all the masters, they have encountered all kinds of opposition within. You're going to start battling forces within or cold interferences that come in as all the teachings have talked about because they try to keep you locked into the matrix. Nobody should step out of the herd, right? Or you get attacks from other people, from friends and family who can even act as Agent Smith, so to speak, or public attack for speaking out. So people still are very concerned, out of concern what other people think of them, right? Hence, we need the warrior archetype. We need the warrior that armor, right, so to speak, of just going into battle because we are in the battle. We are in the war and it's not going to... You cannot fight the predator with niceness as Castaneda used to say, right? So... But, you know, how the warrior archetype manifests for each individual is different. On the very basic level, it just really comes up to stand up for what is right, you know, and listening to conscience, you know, because that's, I think, on my path. It's always like when people ask, tell me something, you're so courageous doing this and that, but I don't necessarily consider myself courageous. I have my own fear still, right? But the definition of courage is like you act despite the fear and also listening to conscience, what you really ought to do rather than just being concerned with your own immediate personal goals and whatnot, right? [Speaker 2] (54:40 - 55:28) Definitely, man. Like the way I see this is like we know what the enemy is about. We know what they're doing. Why are we giving them anything at this point in time? You know what I mean? For me, it's a straight cut. I'm eliminating as much reliance as possible. I know which way that system and that quote-unquote timeline looks like and where it's going and you know what I mean? I'm choosing not to partake and I'm building my own from my core essence and what that really calls for, you know? And it's like I haven't worn a mask in two years, you know what I mean? I've never participated in that. I refuse to. There's a hard boundary and I feel deep within me that anything that I give towards that, I'm actually hurting myself on some level also, you know what I mean? In any compromise that I make when my integrity and everything about me knows that why would I feed that beast at all? [Speaker 1] (55:29 - 55:46) It's a matter of integrity and having respect for yourself, really, you know what I mean? So even like as you know, if it's, you know, Australia for you, you give them a little bit, they take more, you know, you give them a little finger, they want the whole arm and then people always think it's going to, you know, we just do this, we compromise and then we'll get back to normal but that's the trap. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (55:47 - 56:26) I think once you start standing up and embodying that warrior archetype and saying no or I will not tolerate this or this is not how I'm going to live, you just start attracting more people like that. That's how you build the conscious community is by standing in your individuality with integrity and we've talked about this often on this show is that you know, the last two years of my life I've met the most incredible human beings, amazing people, new friends, people that I consider family. I've known for like a few months, six months because people are standing up in their truth in this certain way and it's just been really powerful to witness. [Speaker 1] (56:26 - 57:09) Yeah. I mean that's, we're finding our soul families which is not necessarily blood family, you know. And also as you were sharing what reminds me of the warrior archetype it's not this like, you know, violent, going to war and fighting. It's like you mentioned, it's this embodied frequency, you know, because I've noticed that when I am truly in my masculine it's not just I'm like here, you know, it's not this macho thing of like, don't fuck with me kind of thing. It's a very calm frequency and even I go out to the shops without the mask you know, like and I'm just embodied, nobody bothers me, you know, because I'm just holding the energy, the frequency, right? It's not, I'm looking, I'm not trying to, I'm not looking for trouble or anything like this. I'm just holding myself, right? [Speaker 3] (57:09 - 57:22) Yeah. And it's good to delineate that it's not just for men, you know, I mean, there's so many women that have been taking up the warrior archetype especially around the whole vaccine issue for the last 20 years, you know, warrior moms that are just standing in their... [Speaker 1] (57:22 - 57:54) Sometimes more than, we just recently in Sedona we met somebody contacted us because there's a woman who contacted Laura and me because I made a video here in Sedona so they wanted to meet up. So we met up a couple of weeks ago with like seven or eight warrior moms like patriots who just like, you know, against anti-vax because of the children like, you know, they're the mama bears like they are like, you don't want to fuck with them, you know, so they're really standing up, they're really getting into the warrior archetype. It's beautiful to see it. Yeah, I agree. [Speaker 2] (57:54 - 58:04) Do you think there's karmic consequences for not speaking up, particularly if you know better? Yes. [Speaker 1] (58:05 - 59:42) And I don't... Karma is... I don't mean it in like, oh, you're going to be punished and burn in hell for that, you know what I mean? But, you know, there's... It's willful ignorance, right? There's ignorance when you assume people simply don't know better, they're caught in the fear virus or completely conditioned and brainwashed. But if you're aware of it, no, it's your duty at this point to speak out, you know, and make your voice heard because that's... If you have anything learned from history, like where I come from, Germany, you know what I mean? It is, you know, necessary to speak out for others. So, I think right now it's actually an opportunity and so on on a deeper soul level, that's when we talk, you know, can go deeper into soul lessons and whatnot. This is a big opportunity, right? Because whatever we don't learn now, we need to learn next time around. So, there's no avoiding our lessons and we don't get to move on individually and collectively until we learn our soul lessons and part of it is also standing up and speaking up for truth, right? And that means, you know, again, like I mentioned before in the first hour, it's also important the inner work so we don't... I see a lot of people getting too caught up in the outer, external, and then speaking out turns into shadow projection when you're getting really upset with Fauci and all of these guys, right? Yeah, speak truth, you know, but also don't lose yourself within that, so to speak, right? I mean, don't forget yourself as Gurdjieff would say, but yeah, I think that goes back to what I mentioned before, listening to conscience. If you're really in tune with conscience and essence, it's like you have no other choice but to speak out. That's the way I see it. [Speaker 2] (59:44 - 59:51) Yeah. You wrote an article on the metaphysical consequences of the COVID jab. [Speaker 1] (59:51 - 59:52) The COVID jab, yeah. [Speaker 2] (59:52 - 59:56) Yeah. Can you give us a little brief insight as to what that might be from your perspective? [Speaker 1] (59:56 - 1:05:45) Yeah, that looks into like, you know, the whole... We know about the issues of the COVID jab, which is, we know it's not a vaccine, it's a genetic therapy, gene therapy, so to speak, you know, and we already know about the injuries, the deaths, that the statistics are suppressed or even the cases are suppressed. Even Dr. Simone Gold came out with the data from the CDC that they don't consider... If somebody dies within two weeks of the jab, they don't even consider this person vaxxed. By the way, I posted this tweet on Facebook the other day and now I'm in 30-day Facebook jail again, so there you go. But the way I see it, you know, I wrote an article before that as well, the long-range agenda. What I see happening with the jab, the jab is the real bioweapon and it ties into the depopulation program, right, which for me is a confirmation. I've been aware of this for many years, right, that's what they're working towards too. You know, COVID, people think it's a bioweapon itself, there's a lot of, you know, talk about this as well. I personally don't even think there is a virus as in the way we understand viruses. I'm not saying people are not sick or not dying, but it's not because of COVID. But the real agenda is they want people... It's very obvious that their main agenda is they want people to vaccinate as many people as possible, right. So, what I see happening is like, yeah, there are all these vax deaths and injuries, which I don't even call injuries. I think it's meant to be this way. They want to, you know, limit the depopulation agenda. They want to get rid of mass, of useless feeders. You know, that's what people have to understand, the level of evil of these psychopaths in power, right. But this is not going to... They also know this is not going to happen overnight. I think it's a long range. You know, we'll see the real side effects on a physical level of a lot of people dying potentially five to ten years from now as the immune system disintegrates and booster shots and all of that. So, there's one agenda. Now, the metaphysical aspect, you know, that ties more into also in the work of Rudolf Steiner, you know, his famous work and quotes from literally over a hundred years ago in a lecture where he literally talked about the vaccine and how the vaccine is going to develop to drive out the spirit out of humanity to separate the soul from the body. And I even wrote an article about this as well in 2015 or 2016. One of my long articles, Time and Reality Split and the Hidden Forces of Life, was exactly talk about what's happening right now. First of all, there is a splitting of humanity. Also, I feel a natural and also what I've hypothesized or even like through my own research and insights come to the conclusion that, you know, this, what I mentioned the first hour, the invasion is happening through our own bodies, right, from an occult hyperdimensional perspective. That's where they tag into and with the jab it separates the soul more from the body and the more they can separate it from the body and the more these other forces can come in and take over body, mind, and spirit. And that's kind of the essence of what Rudolf Steiner talked about. He also talked about these forces of darkness and there are some other confirmations I post in this, I'll quote it, this woman, this healer who worked on somebody who got vaxxed and she also saw that the soul is just hanging on in a string, so to speak, right? It's just, you know, it's not just a vaccine as we can see over the years like they're poisoning us on all levels. GMO food, they're really like, you know, that's why our body is our temple. It needs to host the soul. That's why, you know, embodiment is so important but with everything else, this embodiment, people are checked out, you know, it removes the spirit or the soul, astral body, whatever you may want to call it, more from the body and the jab is the ultimate, you know, the end game, so to speak, for this takeover through our bodies. So I don't want to scare people because people then think, oh, I got the jab, you know, it's a highly individual thing or it depends on where you are at your level of being. Everybody's affected differently, you know, and I think the more booster shots you get, the worse it gets, so to speak. But that's what I see the basic metaphysical aspect is this takeover, you know what I mean? And it's by design, you know, through our bodies to dislodge the soul from the body and even read it in their own papers. You know, I'm a big fan. I don't know if you guys heard of Jay Dyer. He's an excellent researcher, Jay's analysis. He does a lot of reading so always check out his work because I can't read all the books. But he now laid out, for example, some of the white papers, the documents in their own words by the globalists, including like Klaus Schwab's COVID-19 and the Great Reset where they literally, he really talks about, you know, that man, that human beings are becoming, not moving from carbon-based to, what was it? Silicon-based life form, so to speak. Really, the transhumanism, the AI, you know what I mean? That's a long, that ties into that as well. At some point, we probably will get already AI, objective nanoparticles in all of that. So that's the end game, right? The merging of man with machine and all of that. And that's how I see the takeover from this hyperdimensional perspective. Hence, the importance of the great work of embodiment. That's really like, people ask, what should we do? What can we do? Yes, we need action, we need to resist, but the inner work, the more you remove your stuff, the shadow, you know, work through your shadow, your trauma, your wounds, you anchor the soul, connect to essence, the less these forces have an effect on you. And then you're also immune to what's happening out there, but the jab will loosen the astral body from the rest of the whole body-mind complex, so to speak. So that's kind of the nutshell of this article. [Speaker 2] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:05:46 - 1:05:55) And it's probably a bit out there for a lot of people, but for me, based on my work and my research, it's like all the dots connect with what's happening right now. [Speaker 2] (1:05:55 - 1:06:25) Yeah, it makes sense to me. It makes a lot of sense. There's just so many different angles to look at what's going on and what is actually going to play out from all of this. Like, from your perspective, there's no stopping the way that Babylon is moving. Like, that's the way I see it anyway. I feel like, as you mentioned, there is a timeline reality split, and we're kind of at the crux of that at the moment, but I don't really see reform as an option in any true essence of what reform is. I mean, this train has taken off. [Speaker 1] (1:06:26 - 1:09:45) Yeah, you cannot vote yourself out of it, you know? I mean, I've always gotten bitten. I don't know what you guys' view on Q and all of that. I've gotten into that last year. I've dismissed it for a long time, and then, this big essay, and I still see some. I don't see that black and white, you know what I mean? Like, going back to the whole Trump era and Q, I think there was legit military intelligence. I think there is something happening behind the scenes. I don't see all evil in government. There are patriots trying to counteract this agenda, and they have been aware for a long time, but I don't feed into the anon Q anon like Trump, Savion, and sooner or later everybody will be arrested. It's not going to happen. You know, it's like, they're doing their part on their level of consciousness, you know, and there will be resistance here and there, but we need to step up to the plate, and like you said, it's not about saving the old system. That's why even that go along with make America great again. Yes, I'm all up for the Constitution, Second Amendment, patriots, yes, but we need to evolve consciousness. It's not about going back to the old days, right? And definitely not going to the great reset of the new normal, right? This is also the forced uniformity, but there's a splitting of humanity, which I feel is natural. I mean, there's the obvious divide and conquer agenda from the matrix of pitting us against each other, you know, race against race, gender against gender and all of that, but there's a natural splitting based on the evolution of consciousness, level of being, level of soul integration, right? That's why, like, people like us connect little pockets here and there, and you see it in your own lives. Some people get out of your life naturally. It's like even, you know, it's not even trying to convince others anymore. That's the most important part. You cannot red pill people. That's because nobody has red-pilled us. It came through our own efforts and insight. Nobody forced information on us. You cannot convince people by information alone. If that would be possible, we would be already enlightened, I guess, you know? So there's a natural splitting happening, I feel, right? That's why I say, like, before, it's about decentralization, and I don't buy into the doom and gloom, right? It's, again, know their enemy, know their agenda, right, where they see this going. It doesn't mean that they're able to fully go through with this, right? But you need to understand how they work and what their agenda is without feeding the doom and gloom while at the same time work on yourself, create something new, right? Find the silver lining, you know? Even with decentralization, even like crypto thing, this is, it's a whole other topic in itself. I used to be very resistant to that as well, but I see an opportunity here as well, right, to kind of detach from the banking system and all of that. So, it needs to happen on multidimensional levels, right? We need to, like, prepare emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, but also physically connect with the right people. And ultimately, it goes back what I mentioned before is this deeper surrender to the divine. I think the most important part, I know for myself, especially, like, you know, looking at my life where I see, what I see coming is your connection to the divine, to align with divine will. And the divine will is nothing abstract like God talking to you. Maybe that happens too, I don't know. But it's a connection to your true essence, to who you truly are, right? And let this be your guidance. Then, you know, you know what to do and without getting too much distracted by what's happening in the outside world. [Speaker 2] (1:09:46 - 1:10:50) Yeah. Such an interesting topic. I was personally, I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. So, there was deep programming in terms of God on me, you know, from the outset and a lot of fear-based kind of programming. You know, always having to, I guess, please Jehovah God. Also, like, viewing our current reality as a fallen world to some extent, like, all of those Gnostic kind of teachings. So, that was a big process for me was actually deep programming from that. It was actually quite a stranglehold for a long time. But now, I've kind of moved through that phase and now I'm kind of at the point where I do feel that call to kind of let God back in in some context, you know. But like, the actual feeling and not the kind of built entity with characteristics that the initial programming was. So, I'm just wondering from your perspective, like, how do you, in deeper terms, what is God to you and how do you perceive God and how do you go about that process and building that connection? [Speaker 1] (1:10:52 - 1:15:10) Well, just as a preface, like, words lose their meaning. We kind of pointed it. For me, it's most important, like, an inner experience that transcends intellectual understanding, even emotions and feelings and whatnot. But I can see that myself just looking back, you know, there's a saying, you can only connect the dots looking back into your life. When I look, connect the dots, I mean, you know, even at the beginning I shared my life journey, I've seen now there was an invisible guiding hand, some other force that guided me all along, right? You know, and even like I mentioned, like, the negative things that happened, right, that was kind of like God, you know, yanking me out of a situation, you know, despite my resistance, you know, the more I resisted, the more painful it was, be it broken relationships or my band breakup and everything, you know, because my ego wanted what it wanted but then there's what the divine wants, right? And then I learned that the hard way there's a saying, tell God your plans and he will laugh at you, right? So that's the way I experienced there's a guiding hand, you know, so to speak, that has guided me through where I am right now and, you know, the more you're conscious of that and you become more conscious of it, the more you really work through, that's why it's an integral approach, you work through it on a psychological level but the more you then connect it to essence, your true self, right? And that's why I experienced the divine most, first of all, within myself, right? In my true essence and experienced the true state of your soul, of your psychic being as Sri Aurobindo would call it or your essence which is joy, right? And joy in that sense is not what we as the human ego experiences joy when you just, you know, see a concert or cheer for your favorite sports team or whatnot, it's completely independent of anything external, it's the natural state of your soul, right? Of your essence and the more you connect to that, that's kind of, it's very empowering and that kind of connects me to something deeper and then it opens up to deeper levels of intuition and, you know, I don't make decisions out of my head anymore, right? It's more this deeper embodied knowing in the sense, you know, similar when, you know, when I came from the US, from Germany to the US or when I moved from LA to Arizona, it's some deeper calling that goes, that transcends rational thought or anything like that, right? So, first of all, the divine is an inner experience, it's nothing external out there but the more you're connected within, then the more you see it externally as well, right? In very synchronicities, you know what I mean? Or you see it even, you know, you can see through the crust of people and see the divine essence as well to a degree and you see something else is here in charge, divine will, something larger than any human will whatsoever, right? So, I think we have been tricked and, you know, I can relate to that and I can know a lot of people who have been, you know, raised religiously like you have and whatnot with the idea of some external god that watches over you and is going to, you know, reward you or punish you, right? And these kind of things and that's how religion has been used for control, right? For thousands and thousands of years. The problem is then people throw the baby with the bathwater and then it became atheist and whatnot, so, you know, but it's also part of the matrix control system, right? The anti-divine forces, that's why the woke, the woke left right now, the Marxist, socialist, you know, they're completely anti-god, anti-divine. You know, if you even trace it back, Marxism, you know, Marx had, you know, we learned, I watched this documentary on Epoch Times about Marxism, how Marx was also, had some sort of connection to Satanism and channeled his ideology from there, right? Because they want to destroy God, they want to destroy, you know, the divine and bring in the anti-divine forces, so that's why we need to bring that back and rediscover God and spirituality, and you see it even in the US, you know, with the patriot move and all that, they bring in Christianity back, you know, it's still maybe externalized, right, but we need a revival of finding the true Christian teachings, which I've also studied, esoteric Christianity, which is a beautiful teaching that has nothing to do with the, you know, externalization of what we see in the church and whatnot, right, so we need to bring back to the essence, but ultimately it's finding the divine within. [Speaker 2] (1:15:10 - 1:15:57) Yeah, man, absolutely, I mean, like, you talk about like, the woke left, and I mean, obviously Marxism, socialism, fascism, it's all rooted in the collectivism, right, and what better way to destroy God than convince everyone else that they're all the same, you know, and when you realize that God is that in the process, it is connecting with your true essence, your true individuality, because we're all so different and really tapping into who it is that we are and the different nuances that we can offer as individuals, but to me, that is my, that's my process of God, it's connecting to who I am, you know, but if I'm someone who believes that I'm the same as everyone else, then I'm never going to get there, you know what I mean, so it's just interesting how you see these collectivist ideologies and you talk about them being anti-God and anti-life and anti-divine and those connections, yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:15:57 - 1:16:55) Yeah, exactly, and you see, I mean, you guys are, you're into human design, right? I used to, like, I was big into that many years ago, like 10 years ago, I got, I delved deep into it and got a few readings, you know, and that's, a lot of the human design, I mean, I never attached to one, any of the systems because I think no system can fully, like, describe you, right, but they're great tools, right, but what I liked about human design is also really the description between self and not-self which is very much, it's very esoteric as well in a sense, right, of understanding what is the not-self and connecting your true self which is the essence, right, and then, you know, when you really like, which is easier said than done, like, acting according to your authority and whatnot, right, but that, that is the guidance that shows you that that's what I like about this system, it really emphasizes the individual, right, which goes contrary to the collectivism, obviously. [Speaker 3] (1:16:55 - 1:17:05) Yeah, I definitely hear you there. I was actually, when you were talking about what guided you previously in your life about your intuition, I was going to ask you, I was like, are you sacral or are you, or are you emotional? [Speaker 1] (1:17:05 - 1:17:06) Emotionally defined. [Speaker 3] (1:17:07 - 1:18:19) Yeah, three of us, we're all emotionals here and so, even the simplicity and that understanding authority was huge for me because it, it just shined a light on, I'm on a wave, I'm on, I'm experiencing a wave right now, let me just allow myself to go through it before I just like, well, of course, before I just like, respond to this text or make this phone call or tell someone to go fuck themselves, you know, like, it's like, and even in partnership, this is another reason why I love human design is when you understand your design and your partner's design or in business or whatever, it's just a way of, of understanding self first and then understanding another person and so, again, it just comes back to the individual, you have more compassion for yourself, more understanding for yourself, you get out of the compare and contrast game, which again, this world, the malignant culture is always trying to get you to be something or like someone or, you know, we're on social media, everyone's like, well, that person's doing that, I, why am I not doing, I should be doing that. It's like, no, come back home, look in the mirror, use these systems as tools to get affirmation. Like I found that these systems have allowed, instead of just being like, oh my God, I didn't know this about me. It was more an affirmation of certain things that I had discovered and I found that to be a powerful process. [Speaker 1] (1:18:19 - 1:18:21) Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:18:22 - 1:20:01) And I guess while we're there, let me introduce you to something a little bit new as well. And I know Amazing Laura has an astrology background and practices astrology. I'm a member of Michael Tasarian's mystery school. It's called Terrascopes. So basically this is esoteric astrology. It's the way the ancients did it. So back then there was no computations, no charts, no computer software, compasses, Atlas. Basically, they observed what constellation was actually visible in the night sky when you were born and they built a fixed chart from there, right? So this takes into play the procession of the equinoxes as well, which I'm sure you're familiar with. So for you, being conventional Aquarius, although actually the constellation of Aquarius was in Pisces at the time when you were born. And so in the esoteric system, we take your rising sign is simply what's opposite Pisces. So the sun was in Pisces and what's opposite Pisces is your rising sign, which is what the sun was illuminating. So it's what the sun was pointing at. And this is your key significator. And for you, this makes perfect sense to me. I don't know how you're going to resonate, but it's a Virgo, right? And Virgo and the Tarot is represented by the Hermit card. Yes. And this is the scholar. This is the bookish, the intelligent, the virtuous, the patience. Okay. So in the system that I employ, this would be your core sense of self. And this is the general means by which you will go about your everyday pace of life to get to your destiny, which is where the sun is, which is Pisces. So Virgo to Pisces is kind of the trajectory of your life. And obviously Pisces being the deepest spiritual and mystical card and sign that we have. Yeah, I thought I'd throw that in for you. [Speaker 3] (1:20:01 - 1:20:07) And you both, you both are hermits in human design in terms of the unconscious line, correct? We're both 6'2". [Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:09) I'm a 6'2". Laura is 5'1". [Speaker 3] (1:20:09 - 1:20:10) I'm a 5'1". [Speaker 1] (1:20:10 - 1:20:11) Oh, you're 5'1". Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:20:12 - 1:20:12) Cool. [Speaker 1] (1:20:13 - 1:20:32) Like 6'2". Yeah. And that also helped me with human design. Thank you, Joe, for sharing that definitely resonates and also ties into the other systems like human design. I remember like around, you know, a bit later, a bit after my Saturn return a few years later, but then the moment I went on the roof, right, I moved to Topanga into the hut, into my hermit phase literally. [Speaker 3] (1:20:33 - 1:20:37) Perfect. It's fascinating to see it in that way. [Speaker 1] (1:20:37 - 1:20:46) And now I'm like approaching, I'm 40, I'm approaching 50. I'm about to approach my Chiron return. I moved to Sedona. So now I'm coming back from the roof. [Speaker 2] (1:20:46 - 1:20:51) So yeah, I just got on the roof. There you go. [Speaker 1] (1:20:51 - 1:20:58) Nice. Yeah. It's nice to be on the roof. Like when you really understand, it's like to be more aloof from everything and... It is, man. [Speaker 2] (1:20:59 - 1:21:01) No, definitely. It's a pleasure to be here. [Speaker 3] (1:21:02 - 1:21:04) I don't know what that's like. I'm a 5'1", but hey, it's cool. [Speaker 1] (1:21:04 - 1:21:12) Yeah. Now you guys are the heretics, you know, the invest in Laura is such an investigator. She has a lot of Scorpio energy too, so... [Speaker 2] (1:21:12 - 1:21:12) Cool. [Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:21:14 - 1:21:16) Awesome. Where do you want to go from here, us? [Speaker 3] (1:21:18 - 1:21:27) I don't know. I don't know. This is such a great conversation. I'm really enjoying every bit of this and where we're going. I mean, we're talking about what's going on. We're talking about solutions. [Speaker 1] (1:21:32 - 1:21:37) How do you guys started actually? I'm just curious. You guys know David as well, right? David Whitehead? [Speaker 3] (1:21:38 - 1:22:20) Yeah, well, actually my wife and I, we were interviewed on the Unslaved podcast last year, two episodes on Awakening Somatic Intelligence. Oh, nice. And Joel saw those episodes and... Okay. That's awesome. Found them to be pretty cool and he hit me up on Instagram and we just realized we were on the same page and like soul family and we were like, I always wanted to do a podcast, but I couldn't do it on my own because Joel has amazing skills and qualities that are just not my strengths and one day we just said, let's just shoot an episode. It was our first episode, which was called Walking in the Authentic Path. That's awesome. Here we are, 25 episodes later. Yeah. So that's how we connected, but you can... [Speaker 2] (1:22:20 - 1:22:26) And then we actually ended up on Unslaved together talking about the podcast and Walking in the Authentic Path. [Speaker 1] (1:22:26 - 1:22:36) Coming full circle. See, that's what I mean. That's what's happening. Like you guys, you know, stepping into your own, you know, your own power basically providing this, you know what I mean? Like that's how we all connect. [Speaker 3] (1:22:36 - 1:22:47) We had David on here too. I think it was our sixth episode and then he had us on his podcast, which, you know, it's how it goes. Yeah. You feel the connections, you're aligned in certain ways. [Speaker 2] (1:22:47 - 1:23:59) There's nothing like having no conflict between who you are and what you do, you know? And I feel like there's just an experience that many aren't having at this point in time. And I mean, there's so many factors involved in that. Obviously, we have reliance on income from the system and we need jobs, et cetera, et cetera. But the connection also between, you mean, our unhealed shadows and unfaced traumas and the reason that they are key blockages as to why we're not willing to participate in our authentic life and who we actually are, you know? And that's a process that I've been through. And it's so key, man. Before I had the courage, I guess, to actually face those demons, you know what I mean? Then I always want to escape from who I am, you know? But the moment that you realize that, you mean, this thing's just like a burning bush and it's up to me to put it out. Otherwise, it's going to consume me. Then you can actually find that equilibrium and from that point actually discover who you are deeper and things like this happen, man. I mean, and to me, this is true reality creation. It's the process of discovering who you are and then living as such, you know? And doors open where they never have been during that process. [Speaker 1] (1:23:59 - 1:25:51) This is for me also the true secret of reality. That's a whole other topic in itself, but reality creation, you know? We have the secret and all of this and, you know, it's a true mix of lies, but ultimately, you really tap into reality creation because, first of all, what people never, I work with so many people when they want to create their reality, but people don't question, first of all, where are the desires coming from which they need to want to manifest? And I know for myself a lot of desires had in the past. Even when I came in my early 20s to the US, like, I'm going to be a rock star. It was a lot of based on childhood wounding, right? I was bullied. I'm going to show everyone that I'm, you know what I mean? All of that. So a lot of desires people have are based on childhood wounding, conditioning, social programming, compensation for insecurity, and all of that. So the more you do the work, like I, the desires I used to have, I don't have anymore, right? Even though I thought, you know, so that just falls away. And the more you connect to essence, which is divine will, then you're really in the flow and start naturally manifesting what you truly need and desire from a deeper soul level, including all the soul levels, and that gives you a much deeper fulfillment rather than what you think you want. And that also implies like you guys experienced. That's what I mean in this day and age to step up to the plate to, you know, see the connections and connicities and then also jump into the unknown like you guys did. Right? And then who knows the ripple effects what will happen from then on, you know, the people you connect with and whatnot, you know, similar to, because like, the reason I'm asking because the first time I heard from you guys also is from David. You know, I remember like he posted, oh, that's a new podcast. I never heard from you guys. And then Laura posted, I think, Joe, your tweets are awesome. Like, Laura, we post your tweets, you know, so it's like, oh, I think the guy who's tweeting your posts, he just contacted me for a podcast and like, so that's how it happens, right? [Speaker 2] (1:25:52 - 1:26:04) I don't know if you remember, we chatted once before. I applied, we chatted, had a pre-app, I put a pre-application in for one of your courses once upon a time and we had a little 10-minute conversation that never went anywhere from there, but yeah. Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:26:04 - 1:26:06) I've talked to so many people. [Speaker 2] (1:26:06 - 1:26:43) Yeah, no, sure. But man, everything you say is so resonant. I mean, for me, my background is a hip hop artist, right? And my entire life wanted to prove everyone wrong, make a career out of hip hop, win the Grammys and that's all I freaking wanted to do. You know what I mean? But it's true. Where are these desires coming from? You know, and the culture that we're raised in, especially with the Hollywood programming, et cetera, et cetera, there's so many pseudo desires and pseudo morality and pseudo paths and pseudo traps for us to get caught into, you know? And it's a process that obviously you have to learn through experience and I mean, it's true. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:26:44 - 1:26:47) I moved out to LA to continue pursuing an acting career. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:26:48 - 1:26:52) I think most people have moved to LA either for music or for music. [Speaker 3] (1:26:52 - 1:27:15) But it was coming from a place of like, well, how can I be the most special? I'll be on the big screen and people will respect me and love me and clap for me and I'll get a lot of women and whatever the case may be. You know, it's like this programming and then as you continue that you go through those dark nights of the soul and you do the healing work and things start peeling away and you start stepping more into your essence and who you are. Yeah. These things don't matter anymore. [Speaker 1] (1:27:15 - 1:27:15) Exactly. [Speaker 3] (1:27:16 - 1:27:19) You know? Yeah. So, it's pretty cool to witness. [Speaker 1] (1:27:19 - 1:29:00) Because I also realized that, you know, the more, I mean, I've started a lot of, I don't know if you guys heard of H. Almas. I really like his work as well, The Diamond Approach. And you see it in a million other esoteric traditions but he lays it out very well. Like, any desire you have is really what you're really looking for is essence within yourself, your true self. Right? That's why in the ancient days, you know, the aesthetics, they also, you know, even Buddhism and all the Eastern traditions, they say, you know, desire brings suffering which is true to a degree but then they went the opposite end of rejecting any desire. Right? And like rejecting the physical world and all of that and that's the path of the aesthetics, you know, which Sri Aurobindo was very critical of as well. It's like almost life denying. And really what it comes down to, Almas said, it's not about denying desires. First of all, where's the desire coming from? Understanding what you're looking really for is essence. You know, even the desire for a partner, desire for this and that, you know, what you're looking for is your true self. So, it's not necessarily denying desire but being detached enough from it that you don't use it, you know, to give you a power wave for the ultimate fulfillment. You know? Because I'm all up for also creating abundance and fulfilling your desires and enjoying life. Right? But not grasping on it. And I think if you haven't really found yourself or don't engage in the inner work, you're always externally looking for something. Right? And then you're in this but that's why we're in the place we're in the world right now but the more we can connect to within ourselves and be more detached from or not that attached to desire and can still enjoy life without the grasping, that's kind of like when we really also change the frequency of the world, I feel. [Speaker 2] (1:29:01 - 1:29:23) Hmm. I think that's a beautiful question. Yeah. Bernard, I know you got to run and we're so appreciative of you making time for us and thank you so much for standing in so much truth and so much power and for bringing your gift and your experience and everything that you've been through and culminating that into this force that you are at this point in time, man. So thank you. [Speaker 3] (1:29:24 - 1:29:32) Yeah. Thanks so much, Chris. Yeah. Thanks so much for being here. And real quickly before we sign off, do you want to share your website or any information on social media, etc.? [Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:59) Yeah. But at this point, like my website is veilofreality.com so all my work is there, you know, including the podcast. I have the same setup like you guys, you know, first hour of public, second hour for members with my wife or sometimes we have guests on as well. All my writings, videos, social media. I'm in Facebook jail again, so I have a Facebook page. We have a Telegram channel at Time of Transitions, our Telegram channel. That's where we mostly now post uncensored material, you know? [Speaker 3] (1:29:59 - 1:29:59) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:30:00 - 1:30:02) And do you guys have a Telegram channel at all? Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03) Yeah, we do. [Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:05) Yeah. Yeah, we're growing it. Check it out. [Speaker 3] (1:30:06 - 1:30:06) Awesome. Process, you know? [Speaker 1] (1:30:07 - 1:30:28) Yeah, exactly. We'll link up for sure. And that's it. And right now, like as I mentioned before, my wife and I, Laura and I, we are engaged in online courses we just started in year one, taking 25 people on a journey going really deep. But we're also working on a standalone version of this course, which also will be released soon. And that's that. And then who knows what the future brings, right? [Speaker 2] (1:30:29 - 1:30:57) Yeah, man. Absolutely. Guys, thank you so much for listening. I highly recommend you go check out Bernard's material, whether it's at his website, Veil of Reality or on YouTube. Check out some of his videos, get your feet wet, discover what this guy's about because there's there's a lot there. Definitely. That's resonant. To our members, thank you so much for supporting us. We really, really, really appreciate you guys. And I hope you've enjoyed this episode. We'll see you next time. Take care. Take care, everyone. Thank you.