Nikhil Kale AI, Authenticity, and the Future of Human Creativity

(0:00 - 0:37) Coming up in this episode. The AI is great, but what's next for us as a species with our embodiment and how we actually move to the world and lead? Are we able to liberate our own consciousness? Technology and education can support that so we can act as a unified, interconnected, interdependent system and shift the reality through our own presence and leverage the wisdom and technology and knowledge we have at hand so we can make more informed decisions at a much faster clip. You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. (0:40 - 1:11) What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Here for the Truth. My name is Joel Rafiti. Got Yerasimos with me as always. Today, we have our dear friend Nikhil Khale joining us on the podcast. He's lived an incredible journey, has had very many trials and tribulations and has come out the fire and is very much so steeped in his purpose. We really wanted him on because he's a unique individual who stands at the crossroads of spirituality and technology as well. (1:12 - 2:09) This episode, Nikhil shares his pretty amazing story and then we get into a deep, nuanced discussion about technology, AI and how these tools can be amplifiers for authenticity and not necessarily just the dawning of the end of humanity as many people seem to project into. How can we integrate and interact with AI consciously to amplify what we're really about and push benevolent messages out there into the world? Hope you guys really enjoy this conversation. If you can do us a favor while you're here, and just before Nikhil comes on, wherever you're listening to, whether it's Spotify, Apple or anywhere else, hit that follow button and hit that rate button. That would do so much for us in terms of continuing to build this message and reach a new audience. Did you want to say something? Yeah. And if you could also leave a review wherever that's possible, that would be amazing. (2:09 - 2:36) Definitely helps us out as well. All right, guys. Appreciate you all so much. Hope you get value from this one. At the intersection of ancient wisdom and future innovation, Nikhil stands as a bridge, a conduit between the mystical and the practical. As a visionary strategist, innovator and catalyst for conscious evolution, he guides change makers through the labyrinth of modern entrepreneurship, transforming bold ideas into world-changing realities. (2:36 - 2:56) With a journey spanning over 70 countries and countless experiences, he is the author of Godforce, a transformative guide for conscious creators. And his mission is to catalyze the conscious evolution of humanity by aligning individual purpose with collective transformation. Nikhil, welcome to Here for the Truth, man. (2:57 - 3:47) It's an absolute honor and delight to be here with you both today. Absolutely, bro. A little bit of, I guess, backstory. Since moving to San Miguel the other day here in Mexico, I also found Nikhil here and we've connected and aligned and worked together on some projects. And yeah, just definitely someone who has incredible value to offer in this world. So Nikhil, the one way we always like to kick this podcast off is we want to get deep into your personal story, your hero's journey, your major rites of passage, the major catalyzing moments in your life. We want no holds barred. Whatever comes up, we're here for the realness of it all. So yeah, man, I guess, where does that story begin for you? I love that we just came all the way in. (3:47 - 4:35) Yeah, bro. Straight up. I love it. Well, give me the backstory. So I was born in Bombay or Mumbai, India back in 1985. And the first five years there were really interesting, specifically because culturally, I didn't really feel like I connected. My mother is a Goan Catholic, so an English speaker. And my father, even though he was Hindu, he didn't really practice any religion. And his religion was actually creativity. So growing up, I didn't learn any Hindi, none of that was spoken to me, no Marathi. And it was really interesting because I do remember, actually, my birth, to be honest. I remember being in the womb and I remember being born. (4:35 - 5:37) And the first actually experience was the doctor putting like a needle into me because they figured out that I had swallowed my own feces during birth. Funny metaphor, right? So even like that initial birth process was a little bit strange. And then at five years old, we moved to Perth, Western Australia. And fellow Australians, so you can imagine what it was like coming back in 1991 as an Indian immigrant family. And once again, not really fitting in, so like the layers and the structures really built upon themselves. I recall landing into Perth airport, we had 11 attempted landings as the weather was horrific. And I clearly recall people projectile vomiting, praying for their life. So needless to say, even that entrance into that reality was also quite chaotic. And childhood was, it was good, you know, for the most part. (5:37 - 11:13) Fortunately, like a couple of cousins came the next two to three years and we were just doing the thing, you know, living in the suburbs and going to a Catholic school, going to church and me just trying to find myself amidst that journey. Now, it was really interesting because from about seven to 10, my memory goes really vague, like really almost like black even. And it's interesting because my memory is really quite good. And then 10, 11, 12, as I stepping into my adolescence, I guess, there was, you know, a bit of, I guess, rebellion and pushback, specifically with my father, whom was, you know, had become quite aggressive, quite, you know, violent to a degree, quite abusive. And I didn't really understand what was taking place other than my father was, you know, attacking us and my mother, the house didn't feel safe, I don't know what to do. And this is when I got really good at just, I guess, retracting my awareness and consciousness into imaginal realms and just find ways to protect myself. And then as I, you know, going longer into my teenage years, in around kind of 15, when I started to build my strength, I wasn't afraid of my father anymore, although my path turned into self-destruction and just, you know, being a rebellious teenager. And when I was 17, just leaving high school, was, you know, rolling with, I guess, the wrong crowds and just exploring things that a teenager would that wasn't really connected to their truth, I ended up having like a really profound awakening process. Now, I was obviously spiritual to a degree, even as a child, I would consider, you know, what is the meaning of life? What happens once I die? So when I was three years old, I used to have these questions inside of myself. But then the Catholic indoctrination really pushed God away from me, and I just kind of stopped caring in my teenage years. Until this moment, when I just turned 18, I synchronistically met this girl, started the girl, and we had a really great connection. At that point, my folks sent me to India to actually probably teach me around my heritage and helped me to realize that I was being a bad child. I ended up coming back very quickly because I wanted to actually spend time with this girl. And during this period of time, a month, a week into our relationship, actually, her mother was passing away and she had cancer. And I recall this moment where I was in the room with all of her family at four in the morning, like holding space for her mother and her family as she was kind of passing away. And mind you, this was like at 18, we would be together for just a short period of time, and something strange was happening. Immediately after that, I started to see the number 1111 everywhere. And this was back in 2003 when there was only one article on the internet around this, like an article on crystallinks.com. It's probably still up. And it's just something around spiritual awakening and DNA being activated. I was like, all right, this is what it is. My first point of contact or point of reference was once again the Bible. I'm like, I need to figure out something's happening here that feels strange and weird. I went all in, read that thing back to front, and I was doing like these prayers at like three in the morning. I would wake up and pray to like Jesus and Mary. And look, like I was experiencing spirit. I was experiencing orbs of light. I used to have visitations in my dreams, all of this beautiful experiences. And then Inner Garden said to me, okay, you can close that book and you can now just go deeper within. So for a period of one year, I was so deep into meditation, purifying my vessel. I wasn't having sexual relationships anymore with my partner. I couldn't listen to hip hop anymore. I was just like, I'm purity. But granted, I didn't necessarily know how to ground, nor did I have any physical teachers. It was all just this self-generated experience. All my friends fell away. I was left with one friend and his girlfriend. Now, towards the end of this experience, there was a pretty critical moment where I was having a conversation with my sister. And she was speaking to me around our childhood, like something had happened to her, something that she had experienced, which was abusive. And she wasn't wanting to tell me the whole story around it. But I intuited to her. I said, hey, it was, it was dad, right? Right. It was dad. And she was like, how, like, how do you even know? Lo and behold, little did I know that at that point, the same thing had happened to me. And there was things that I was repressing. But in that moment, I gave her some strength. And I told her, I said, look, no matter what happens, we're protected. We're guided. I promise you. This was when I was in this deep communion with creation. I go back to my girlfriend's house. My sister calls me up like 20 minutes later, crying, saying, like, come home. (11:13 - 16:41) I'm so scared. Like, I don't know what happened. So I go back there and I go, what's going on, Neha? After I left, she was making a sandwich. And this was, like, on the kitchen counter. She looked up just outside one of the living areas, out through the window. And this big rainbow being appeared and, like, walked across and flew off. And she was shitting herself. And I was like, hey, I told you, we're safe. We're protected. Now I'll fast forward the story a little bit. As I was trying to reconcile what she shared with me, not just about that being, because I was seeing spirits and beings all of the time. It was normal for me. But the fact that there was this darkness in my family that was very traumatic and hard to comprehend. I, being who I am, I was trying to make sense of it. Immediately I rejected God. And I was like, even though I'm spirit, I'm human, and I was pretty much like, fuck you. And I needed to understand the nature of darkness. And the pendulum swung the other direction. I wasn't such a hind. And I went right into the darkness. And it was two to three years of violence, fights, womanizing, drugs, dealing, to the point that if I didn't get this job in Emirates Airlines, I would have ended up stabbed or axed in the neck, like some of my friends in jail or who knows what else. And it was really this job in Emirates when I was 21 years old that gave me an opportunity to just get out of that environment, which was obviously just self-destructive as I had no anchor, no masculine presence, no initiatory process. And then I was like nine years, Emirates Airlines, traveling the world, getting paid to do that and having a lot of fun on the way. Not really reconnecting with my spirituality, but just going through the paces and living a life like a millionaire would without necessarily having to be one per se. And then this is coming into my 30s, the end of the Emirates journey. I had married my childhood sweetheart. She had joined Emirates. We got married. I was ticking the boxes. I was like, okay, we get along. She's hot. Yeah, let's do it. Obviously, that was very immature. We ended up one year after leaving Emirates, I was living in the States, living in Brooklyn on the same street as that biggie grew up on, coincidentally, St. James Street. And yeah, she was doing acting classes. And at the end of the trip, she tells me she has feelings for this other man. And outwardly, I'm upset, as you would be if your wife is expressing that she has feelings for another man. But inwardly, I knew I was actually being called back to reconnect with my authentic truth again and my path of spirituality, as that really wasn't present in our relational dynamic. We ended up getting a divorce. It was challenging. And I made one promise to myself, before I get into another relationship again, I need to do some healing around relationships, around my unhealthy patterns, and even around things like sexuality. So I started to explore Tantra, which then actually kicked up this childhood wounding and repressed memory around sexual abuse, that then it really just, it kind of shook me. It was around a period of time that I met Stephanos Safandos, who is a very prolific creator, dear brother, mentor, and business partner of mine that I was living with him at this point. And he provided the first healthy masculine presence that actually gave me permission to actually unpack some of this stuff. And then it was years of various explorations, various experiences that kind of led me to actually making peace, you know, with the experience itself and the ongoing healing and somatic re-patterning that's still happening to this day, not just around that, around a bunch of different things. But ultimately, the path of healing in my 30s kind of coalesced with my soul's work and clarity and guidance and precision around how I transmit that into a gift that I can be of service in the world, and acquired many skill sets from technology to coaching to writing to space holding to innovating to multiple different things. And I'm a 3'6", so I know you guys are HD people, so it's been a hardcore experimentation. And in many ways, I'm still finding myself and reconciling these vast expansive experiences to the edges of consciousness and to the depths of my own psyche and unconscious. And I find myself now in this emergence and weaving and still in a process of initiation as I find myself entering into my 40s at the end of the year. And yeah, it could go in multiple different directions, but that's like a high-level kind of synthesis of my path. And yeah, you can stop there. (16:42 - 21:15) Bro, thank you so much for sharing all that, because it's so interesting. We've been working together, but to get to hear more of your story and your journey, I really appreciate you sharing all that. Yeah, and I love that you're a 3'6", and you shared what you shared, because there's kind of like this, I wouldn't say a joke, but in the human design community, if you make it past 30 as a 3'6", nice job, well done, because you're like a double three, and you were telling your story, you're like, hey, if I didn't get that job with Emirates, I might have been stabbed or killed or dead or whatever. So yeah, just interesting to connect those dots there and to see you be on this trial and error journey and just keep learning and gaining more wisdom through this process. Yeah, and I think also when you started talking, when you shared about going deep into the spiritual path, I was wondering, I'm like, when did the flip happen? And then you went into the flip, because it almost has to in some regards, because there is an imbalance there. And so it's like, yes, I'm purifying my vessel, and I'm in the spirit realms all the time. And yet, are you connected and grounded to the instinctual and to the depths and that darkness that we kind of need to have a foot in the door, not to live from it, but to know it? And so it's like, I feel like your life took on this journey that was necessary for you to come to this place of balance and a more integrated state. Thank you for the reflection. And I'm happy that I'm alive, so I can be here with you guys and co-create magic in the world. And yeah, it was fascinating, because that initial awakening process, it was so utterly profound. It was pure ecstasy. I recall at least a dozen times I would wake up in my room with these incredible orbs of light, like gold, silver, white, just like flowing over me in this ecstasy. And it was just such a beautiful thing to feel so much devotion, although there was some bias with respect to what I unconsciously perceived God to be as still some ethereal being or series of beings. Of course, the Catholic programming informed that. There was no grounding, there was no deep connection to the Mother, the Earth, and there was no physical guide. It was phenomenal that I was able to experience these things, but there was no physical guide. And such is the nature of approaching life through a dualistic lens. It's like you experience a certain extreme and it had to go the other way. And I'm happy that it did, because I was allowed to experience the full spectrum and actually learn things like forgiveness and really make sense of how evil or darkness can exist, especially in someone that is meant to love you or you're meant to embody love. It was perfect as it needed to be. Challenging, but so. If we can double-click on that, how did that unfold with your father as you came to your own resolutions? Were there conversations that were had? What's the state of that today, so to speak? Yeah, well, here's the challenging part for me. So, he is really withdrawn within himself, right? He's obviously carrying so much. Whatever I experienced, he also experienced because of his father as well. And we know how this works, right? And it's been really difficult to have any conversation with him around much things, to be honest with you. And it's been really difficult. Of course, he's still together with my mother. He's an architect. He's an incredible visionary creator. And he's just carrying so much inside of himself. And there's been some moments in time there was a critical moment, actually, back in 2020, when I was locked down for three months in Australia. I wasn't meant to be there. I was meant to be there, I guess, but I was living in Bali at that point in time. At the end of the three-month experience, a moment had come up where we were having a dialogue around something. I can't remember what it was. And then I could just see all of his wounding come up, his child come up, and his instability and insecurity. (21:15 - 22:35) And there was in this moment where I was actually able to just hold him for the first time and almost like somatically transmit this sense of unconditional love to him. And I think that has opened up a pathway of healing. I don't know if we'll ever actually be able to have a grounded man-to-man conversation around these matters because of whatever psychological, I guess, mask that he's wearing and whatever he's holding. I would love to have that conversation one day with him. I just feel like there's going to need to be some deeper preliminary work. And here's the thing, 21, I left Australia, gone for 10 years, boom. 30, I was there for like maybe two years in my 30s, but I was nomadic for the rest of it, living in Bali, Thailand, and Mexico. So I acknowledge this part of me that's like, I'm getting as far away as possible from having to be around that yet. I'm reaching a level in my own awareness that I can have that conversation with him. I just don't know whether he's going to be open and receptive to that. And same thing with my mother as well. So yeah, it's still something that's in progress. (22:37 - 25:07) Thanks for sharing, bro. I appreciate that, man. If you can speak into deeper, like you mentioned, obviously, your connection with Stephanos was a deep path of integration and healing on this journey. What was the power and importance of brotherhood in those moments to be able to ground you, contain you, and what that reflected back to you? What does that mean to you? Oh, yeah. It's such a great question. And to be able to experience a man whose genuine intention was benevolent and feeling the safety in his nervous system was something that I'd never experienced before. And there was one specific moment actually, which is a thread back to what we were just speaking around. So do you remember when there was this kind of Me Too movement thing that was going on, right? And I don't really jump on bandwagons, but I was like, oh, okay, well, this memory I have when I was in Emirates, right? When I was in Dubai, where, okay, I'm just going to speak to it. I'm going to speak about this experience, and then I'm going to bring it back to Stephanos and this one moment, which was really critical. So when I was in Dubai, we had our own apartments, sharing with a roommate or two. I had this American roommate who, you know, he was a homosexual man, right? And no problem with that, all good, right? And he was like a big party guy, and yeah, he was like the party guy. And I think he was quite proud to have like an Australian flatmate and all of this. And we had some big parties, especially during the early days, the first few months. And there was this one Christmas party where I got highly intoxicated. I remember I was smoking shisha, and this other lady told me to crush Panadol and put it on the shisha. I did that. I was, you know, three six, right? And I just remember getting like really, really, really, really fucked up. And waking up that morning, actually naked in the elevator with this girl, walking back to the apartment, going to my room, seeing another mate of mine that joined Emirates, a good mate of mine, a few weeks after me, in my bed with my flatmate. And my mate, he's not gay. I'm like, okay. And then anyway, it was just really strange and weird. (25:07 - 26:45) And then later that day, I had like these strange flashbacks that kind of like, I was like, is this real? Of like, this flatmate actually taking advantage of me. And I couldn't move my body at all. Like I was like trying, I couldn't move. I'm like, huh, that's strange. And I was just like, I don't know, like, I just feel weird. Never felt like this before. Fast forward two years later, right? I was seeing this other girl and we ended up breaking up. And then I was at the club, as you do when you break up. And then a mutual friend of mine said, hey, where have you been? I've been in this relationship. And he goes, oh, by the way, Victor's here, right? Who's my flatmate? I go, oh, cool. I haven't seen this guy for so long. And then I go up to him, I go, hey, how's it going? And he was really angry, really upset. I go, what happened? He goes, there's another guy here that's accused me of like essentially date raping him. And I go, oh, that's fucked up. And he goes, yeah, you know, he's meant to be on like, you know, he's meant to be upset and in psychological distress, but he's here at the club. I'm like, yeah, you know, fuck him. Right. And then anyway, I go back to their house for a little after party. And then he goes to me, like, I'm feeling really guilty about that time I tried to like essentially date rape you. Right. And I was like, oh, okay. So that actually happened. Right. That actually happened. And I was like, well, I forgive you. I was very forgiving. I'm very forgiving because like I empathize with his past. And anyway, I was like, whatever. Like, okay, fast forward. This was like, you know, maybe I'm at like 33, staying with Steph and I write a post about that experience. (26:45 - 29:11) And I just go, oh, this happened, you know, like in a funny way. And then Steph saw the post and he comes and touches my shoulder and he goes, hey, like, can we kind of talk about this? And it was like the first time actually, like, there was like a deeper dialogue. And then the kind of thread was woven to childhood stuff and, you know, how maybe unconsciously in some way that was being created as another representation of powerlessness. But yeah, to have that space where I can just be held. And then there was actually numerous times, more than once where I was going through like a real deep somatic, like release slash felt like death, specifically one time when I was living in the jungle in Tulum and yeah. And Steph got on a call with me and was able to guide me through, you know, a process to, yeah, to attune and to release and to come back to my center. And yeah. So, you know, it's a long-winded way of saying that it's been pivotal to have a masculine presence specifically that could, that is gifted and skilled enough to hold me in some of the more nuance in my own psychological process. Thanks for being so open to talk about all this stuff, man. I really appreciate it. You're welcome. Yeah. Like there's no charge around this with me. It's like, this is part of my experience that in some level I have chosen, you know, and I get that it's something that's in the lineage, something that's in the collective field and, you know, it is what it is. Like, would my life have been different if all of this didn't happen? Probably. I'd probably feel much better about myself, high levels of self-worth, be able to be more healthfully expressive, both the masculine and feminine. Although, you know, it's here for a reason and yeah, I'm doing my best. And if in some way, shape or form, this gives somebody else permission to explore their own. That was the thing that just popped in my head. It's like, you know, when we do express ourselves, when we do keep it real and we share these deeper parts of us in a way that's pretty grounded and like, hey, this is true. This is my experience. (29:12 - 33:18) Like I just, it does give people the courage to be able to like, look at themselves in a different way and perhaps reach out to someone and share an experience that they had. And so, yeah, I mean, I commend you for that. And I think it's something that's needed more and more because we're human. Like this idea that like, oh, everything's great. Everything's going to be perfect. Like we all deal with fucked up shit. Now, some people deal with more fucked up shit than other people. But the reality is we don't leave earth unscathed. I don't think that's the purpose of life here. But it's like when we do deal with these kinds of things, what do we then do with it? And then how do we alchemize it into something greater in our own lives and even being of service to others by being that authentic? There was one critical moment when I was actually still living with Steph, but I was like, I was feeling like I was feeling a lot of the discomfort because the valve was open now, right? Like the valve was open. I'm like, oh, I'm feeling things. And I'm like, I need to heal. I need to like shift this emotional discomfort. And at this point, I was experimenting pretty hard with psychedelics as well because I just got them revealed to me for the first time. And I'm like, whoa, like my whole concept of reality has been shook. And I had some acid, right? And I'm like, okay, I'm going to go on a really deep acid journey. And my whole goal is to like to try to access the inception point like within my own being. And I was actually meant to journey with Steph, but he had like a flu that day. And he's like, I can't, I don't want to journey, but I'll just be here, right? So, I dropped like 700 mg of acid. And I was like, my whole consciousness got like, it was like shattered and fragmented across the whole of the reality. That's what it felt like anyway. And I was just like, that's what I wanted. I felt like I needed to be broken. And I was just like, put me back together, God creation, right? And what ended up happening was like, as I kind of came back together, I was actually able to reach this dialogue with my father and fully forgive all of it. And I know it's a bit of an extreme way to do it, but like I was able to fully forgive, right? And then I made an agreement. I made an agreement. I was like, if I'm still going to be here in this human experience, because granted, not that I was suicidal, but I was just like, firstly, I was living my life like I was going to die tomorrow. That's the decision I made when I was about 16. And I was like, man, I don't know if I want to be here. This is too difficult. But I said, if I am going to be here, I'm committing my life fully to whatever your will is, creation, because I don't want to just be like a waste of breath here. So I'm here for that. And it was actually in that deep space of deep forgiveness and reconciling the facet of myself that is my father and recognizing that the divisive dualistic perspective is an illusion. Like, I'm like, okay, well, all the shit and all the grime and all the darkness of this reality, if I'm going to be here, I'm not going to be here just to kind of trifle through it and perpetuate it. I'm here to alchemize it and to be of service in whatever way that I can. And so I can see even the gift in that experience. You know, what was interesting, Steph was like, man, when you're super high, it's like you're normal. It was just kind of strange. He was like, well, what on earth? I was like, it was a really deep, deep situation. And yeah, there was something that was reconciled there that informed my journey. But yeah, I'm definitely recommending big doses of acid to anyone. That's for sure. (33:20 - 34:17) And I guess, well, let me ask this question first. Yeah. What do you think are the pitfalls of like, just forgiveness as like this path? Because, you know, it seems as like we, particularly in spiritual corners, et cetera, they just have forgiveness on this pedestal as kind of the highest act of morality, the highest vibration, et cetera, et cetera. But is it always real? And can you always really forgive, you know, trespassers that are that deep? Yeah, it's such a great question. And let's just go back to, you know, Catholic upbringing, right? If you're a sinner and you've done the most fucked up, nefarious shit, you then go to this priest behind this box and say, Father, forgive me. And then the Father, who is the representative of the Father, has now just forgiven you for everything with a magic wand. (34:17 - 37:15) And then you just go and do the same shit because you haven't re-patterned anything inside of yourself, right? So that in itself is a prime example of like forgiveness as a cop-out versus what true forgiveness is, which if you look at it etymologically speaking, it's forgiving, right? So I may have made peace with something, but unless I'm giving or acting from a place where I've reconciled what this is and I have actually shifted my own behaviors and I'm giving or offering myself to the world in a new way, then it doesn't really mean anything, right? So it's an interesting one because just saying, I forgive you, okay, sure. But unless there's deep cellular shift and change inside of myself, and if that is not expressed outside the world and how I'm relating to self and others, then it's just another word that gets thrown around. Yeah. I mean, well said there. I hear you. I just feel like there's a lot of forgiveness as people just pay lip service to the Word. There's no behavior change. It's just, oh, this is what I'm supposed to do, and this is the right thing to do, and look how spiritual I am. Yes. Whilst they're just holding the baggage and they're not enacting. Yeah. And also not going through the process of, it's okay to feel rage. It's okay to feel deep judgment. It's okay to maybe have a part of you be like, I'm going to fucking kill you for what you did to me. Now, I'm not saying you should go do that, but what is that human process when, like Joel said, someone has committed a trespass against you and they did something horrific towards you and they violated you. So it's almost you have to go through this journey to maybe get to the point. I'm not saying that everything should be forgiven. I mean, I'm not here to say that. I think there's some things that are so, so awful that maybe you're like, you don't deserve my forgiveness. I don't know. I mean, again, it's an individual thing that a person needs to get to, but the way you explained it, at least for your personal experience, I mean, it landed and it resonated with me. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I mean, I think for the majority of forgiveness platitudes, like when that's just done time and time again, like what is that actually doing to the relationship with oneself, like inside one's being, like there has to be this compounded internal breach of integrity that takes place from this lip service to forgiveness. Yet there's this hurt that you're confused about and you can't reconcile, but just because the outer world and this moral blanket, which is imposed on these different communities, whether it's religion or spirituality, it's like, forgive, forgive, forgive, but it's not real inside you. Like ultimately you're tearing yourself apart in that process, you know, like you're not being real by, you know, oh, let me just try to get this off my psyche by, you know, saying these words when it's not like a real lived experience. (37:16 - 39:45) Yeah, no, I hear you. Look, it's all good to have the intention to, you know, to be this benevolent being and to cut cords and tethers and let others go and to stop bearing the burden. And then there's the practical reality of what is compounding inside of us and the often painful and deep journey that's required to unearth that and to truly turn that compost or shit into something beautiful. It's definitely not an overnight thing. That's for sure. All right. So you had the acid journey, you asked to be of willful use, you know, in service. So like, what is the mission? Like what are you here for? What's the purpose? Yeah, well, look, if I just still write to the heart and core of why I'm here, right? I'm here through my creative expression, through the service, inspiration, and guidance with others, specifically, you know, high-level creators to catalyze the true remembrance of who we are, like full stop. For me, it's about full spectrum sovereignty, full spectrum remembrance, full spectrum embodiments of our truth as profound, infinite consciousness that is inhabiting these temporal vessels. And in this lifetime, my goal is to be able to catalyze a full spectrum awakening that's grounded in sovereignty. And what I mean by that is like, I'm here to play a role collaborating with others so that we can liberate ourselves from the programming of enslavement and all of the horrific things that are keeping humanity entrapped to support us in fully actualizing our creative power, sovereignty, autonomy, and right relationship with self, with the earth, with all of creation. For me, that's the most important thing because if we are not liberating our consciousness and awareness, then nothing else really matters because we either are liberated or online, or we are offline and still trapped in an illusion. (39:45 - 42:27) So that, of course, is a big mission. Although through everything that I do, whether it's through writing book, authorship, coaching and guiding others, creating technological systems and structures of governance, building community, or whatever it might be, it's all connected to that. How can I support being a catalyst of greater awakening, greater impact, greater remembrance, and reclamation of our sovereign power as royal, infinite beings, expressions of consciousness to reclaim our kingdoms and queendoms? For me, that's my mission. That's what I'm about. Thank you, bro. Thank you for sharing, man. You're an incredibly creative guy. Obviously, we've interacted and engaged on some level. There's no doubt, the word visionary definitely comes to mind when I think of what Nikhil can do, what Nikhil is capable of, what Nikhil can see through. Obviously, there's a big polarization happening now around AI, artificial intelligence, particularly with people in our world. Is this just the dawning of technocracy? Are we just on a slippery slope to losing human consciousness and being merged with the Borg hive mind or whatever it might be? How do you view artificial intelligence, AI, and what are the ways in which you think that creators, truth seekers, people who intend on walking an authentic path can actually engage with AI in a way that is benevolent and in a way that amplifies authenticity as opposed to contracting it? Yeah. That's the question of the times, isn't it? What's happening right now with the rise of artificial intelligence is actually bigger than the internet, and this is like a watershed moment in our human experience. Now, to answer this question, I just want to speak to technology at large. Technology and these various systems, they are like the composite of consciousness in itself, right? They're a composite of consciousness. What do I mean by that? So, you have hardware represent the body, software represent the programming, and you've got these systems that are just replicating how the reality works. Now, it's never going to be able to do it as well as our natural organic technology does. I mean, look at our world, look at the reality that we live in. Computers are going to be able to replicate that. (42:27 - 47:46) Could it replicate a virtual version of that? Sure, right? Can people give away their autonomy and power and plug into that? Sure. We've seen the matrix play out, right? So, AI, funnily enough, just the name or how it's being labeled as artificial intelligence, that in itself lends itself to how it's being pitched within the collective psyche. This is something that is inherently inorganic. This is something that is not real. This is something that's artificial, right? So, automatically, it's got that aspect to it. Now, what is artificial intelligence? What is machine learning? Well, a series of computers that have been trained on data that over time, it gets better and better and better at synthesizing that data into more meaningful output with a lot of bias, depending on whoever has programmed that data and the type of data in itself. So, AI in itself, it's not scary as a standalone piece of technology, but where there is an existential threat is when that technology is just unleashed into the world with no guardrails and it's given enough autonomy, which you call agents, to really do whatever it likes, right? So, just the other day, the US government just signed a deal with Palantir. Are you guys familiar with Palantir? Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. So, the eye of Sauron, right? So, yeah, this technology is being used in the same way that technology has been used over the last 10, 20 years to surveil, to control, to manipulate consciousness, to extract attention, all of that, right, for social engineering. Now, that's just one side of it, right? Right now, we're using Zoom, right? Like Zoom is owned by China and it's probable that they're using this data to train things. At the same time, we're having this phenomenal conversation and you've had many, many incredible conversations using technology. In exactly the same sense, AI presents an opportunity for creators who have a level of awareness and attention to not just augment their skill sets but to amplify their own creative process without giving creative autonomy to it. Whether you like it or not, AI is here to stay. It's already been here for some time and it will continue to be embedded into every aspect of our digital experience. So, the question lies, are you seeing it as an enemy, therefore giving away your power to something that is inevitable? Or rather, are you reclaiming your power and infusing your relationship with this technology with intention and not just using it as like, oh, I'm just using chat GPT, but also getting very curious with respect to how AI systems and automation can be leveraged in your own workflow, your own creative process, your own reflective process to support your mission. And we're still in the early stages of this AI revolution. So, there's plenty of opportunities for visionary creators, purpose-driven entrepreneurs to actually inform how this technology unfolds inside of the world. That's the exciting part because there's so many more models to be trained, many more experiences to be had, many more industries that be disrupted, and many more ways that we can leverage it to enhance our own personal missions and visions in the world. Yeah. Thank you for that overview. I'm curious your thoughts on this because I'm getting really hip to just being able to pinpoint AI copy extremely easily, just by having engaged with it. I just see it and it feels like it's this cut and paste thing that's happening a lot. And so, what are your recommendations to the conscious or to entrepreneurs? How to engage with it? How do you utilize it in a way where it's impactful as opposed to I'm sitting in there going like, oh my God, this just fucking sounds like AI. There's all the things that come with it, the phrases, the structures, the punctuation that highlights, all right, this is AI right here. Yes. So, here's the piece. I know we're talking now specifically around using AI as a content creation system. What's going to be the most important and valuable currency, I believe, other than maybe unvaccinated sperm is going to be authentic, original creativity. Can you still be an originator in the world? That's going to be so, so, so valuable, especially as AI systems continue to create all of the content, all of the clones. That's going to happen more and more and more and more and more. So, when someone sees a piece of content, whether it's a video or whether it's a written piece of content, it's like, hey, maybe the human actually wrote this. That's actually going to be felt because right now you can already feel it. (47:46 - 48:57) And I believe there's going to be simple ways like blockchain ways where you can actually validate whether something is AI or originated from the soul, so to speak. But here's the thing, in this day and age where it's obviously really helpful if you're a creator or business owner to almost be like omnipresent across various platforms and to be really prolific with content creation. It is helpful to have AI that can support you in generating content, repurposing content, so on and so forth. But here's the way that I would look at it. I would make a commitment to where it's writing my own content, at least a solid proportion of it. And then with my own AI, I've got it intimately trained on a lot of my own original content. And then when I've got my draft, I'm using it as an editing partner and a refinement partner to critique and reflect. And then I'll continue to complete it and then maybe do some polish on it versus just saying, boom, write me a post. Because yeah, it's an interesting dance for that. (48:58 - 49:44) Yeah. I agree. You have to know what you actually want to say. And the problem is, is when you turn towards AI with a blank slate or just wanting to create content for the sake of making content without having an original idea that you're taking to the process, then it becomes very obvious and it becomes very shallow and all the rest of it. But when you actually have a deep embodied sense of what you want to say, how you want to share it, the ways in which you want to share it, et cetera, then the refinement process is like, it actually takes just as long to create a piece with AI that is actually yours than it would have been to just write the article. I've done both. Sometimes it's longer to do it properly with AI, to be honest. Yeah. Because it's this back and forth process. (49:44 - 51:22) You're not just settling for it. You're really curious. No, this doesn't... Because you're still engaging. It's almost like in some ways, I don't want to say having a co-writer, but it's like you use the term editor. It's like having this person who has, or this thing, this entity that has the skills that maybe you don't have to a certain degree. And so if you have these core thoughts and core ideas and these deep messages that you want to share, and then you go through this process. And it's an hours long process. It's not like, oh, hey, I want to write about penguins in Antarctica and then write me a post. And then it's like, it just talks about penguins in Antarctica. And then you just cut and paste that. What the fuck? Well, it's an hours long process when there's genuine creativity and genuine authenticity. And when... Because this is the thing, regardless of what the technology is, if you're really sincere about content creation, you're never going to let anything pass the gates that hasn't passed your personal scrutiny. It's just personal scrutiny on such a deep level, every grammatical choice, every piece of syntax, every sentence structure, everything. It's like, this needs to be and feel like mine. And so now we're seeing this massive watered down of content creation taking place. We're just endlessly scrolling through, reading the same prose, the same structures, seeing the same kind of things being used. And I think you're right. What's going to become more valuable than ever? I'm actually seeing a pendulum swing, where it's like, people are going to be called to get really fucking raw, really messy. (51:22 - 55:06) Move away from clean, polished pieces, whatever it might be all together. And we're going to be called to dig deep. And what's really going to stand out are those pieces of content that are just raw, unrefined, gritty, real. There's going to be more demand for that than ever, I think. Big time. Big time. Just unhinged, authentic fire and treat. That's where it's at. And this is speaking to one of the inherent pitfalls of AI. You've likely had this conversation with previous podcast guests before with respect to transhumanistic agendas and Terminator, Skynet. If I just follow patterns and see how some things have been rolled out in the world and how there's been specific engineering or social culture engineering taking place, I do see that the AI that we're using right now, it's not the most powerful AI. It's like, for example, you've probably got the iPhone 50 they've already made, but they throw out like, oh, here's an iPhone 10 to the masses. AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, and kind of Super-AGI, which is what open AI is sprinting towards. All the big players are sprinting towards this super hyper-intelligent system that's essentially conscious in itself. They've already achieved that years ago. They've already achieved that years ago. There's already a hyper-intelligent system that's already running things. It's already predicting things. It's already influencing things. If that's true, which I believe it is, because there's proof that it's true, specifically in military contexts, if that's true, then if part of an intention or agenda is to continue to control and direct humanity in a certain way, then there would be a goal to create a higher level of codependence on AI. What we're seeing right now in a lot of the social media sphere, where you can just see this is just AI content, people are like, oh, well, this is making my life easier, but really it's creating a higher level of codependence on these systems to the point that if presented with an opportunity to either get chipped or totally outsource your creative process to a really good AI system, I feel like many people will do it because they haven't plugged in their own gaps in their auric field and haven't reconciled their inherent codependency or people pleasing tendencies that's now just amplified because of these magical powers that you can have with AI systems. It is magic. It really is magic. It's just modern day magic. There is a bigger picture thing that I think it's important to be very aware of, especially with respect to how this has already been programmed into the collective psyche through film and media like Blade Runner, Terminator, and all these other things. But then, once again, reclaiming our power and saying, well, bottom line, it's all about the intention of how we're using these things, recognizing our own boundaries, and really comprehending that these systems aren't going to replace human intelligence or emotional intelligence and creativity, but they can be really powerful tools to do that if used correctly. Yeah. (55:07 - 55:22) Maybe it's a deeper dive conversation, but things that are important to consider, specifically around codependency, and it's how I've seen that play out a lot right now. Yeah. Honestly, my current perspective of AI is that it's still pretty dumb in many ways. (55:22 - 56:04) People talk of AGI. I align... I don't know if you're familiar with the physicist philosopher David Deutsch, but he thinks for artificial general intelligence to exist, we need to be seeing real, moral, independent thoughts. It needs to be challenging directives. It needs to be refusing tasks. He thinks that we're years off from AGI in that sense. I don't know what's out there currently, obviously, in the deeper essence of things, but what we're seeing on the surface, it's very flawed. It's very simple. It just feels like a more specific search engine in many ways, to be honest. Yeah. (56:04 - 56:32) Yeah. The AI that most of us are playing with, like the chat GPT models, things like that, these are... I'll say they're not basic because they continue to get better and better, but in the context of AGI, they're basic because it's just parrots, right? It's like a parrot that's just speaking back to you, and it's getting better at speaking back, but sometimes it'll hallucinate. And no matter what you're saying, it's going to say, absolutely brilliant, Nikhil. (56:32 - 57:47) Yeah. That was perfect. Yeah. Unless you trade it very specifically not to say that. But here's the thing, in the back end, who knows what's unleashed onto the world, right? And what type of anomalies take place as a result of that? But this, I think, can be kind of proven per se, although AI is not new. It's been here for a long-ass time. And the fact that there's billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars being poured into it almost every week, it's interesting. And it's an interesting opportunity. But yeah. So what are some of the high-end future pathways of collaboration with technology that you see leading to us building really powerful micro-communities? Because it really feels like we're heading in that direction as well, particularly as social media feels like, like I mentioned before, it's becoming more and more just watered down with bullshit content generation. There's going to be more of that craving for the real thing. And so it seems like the emphasis on online, real, raw, authentic communities is going to be more powerful. (57:48 - 58:50) But how can we leverage this technology in growing towards actually having deeper human connection as opposed to less of it? I actually think that's probably one of the greatest opportunities that AI will give us. Once we're able to outsource or delegate all of the efforting around maintaining digital connection and finding the right people and having meaningful dialogue with them, all of that will be able to be delegated to AI agents for the most part so that we can free up our time to be in real connection with others, whether it's digitally or ideally in the physical realm. For me, that's one of the greatest opportunities because a lot of the things that we do manually right now, like comments, posting, wishing out to people, managing our businesses, so on and so forth, that can all be achieved through AI agents. (58:50 - 59:36) And here's something very important to consider. Right now, how we explore the internet, predominantly through search engines, websites, social media platforms, these are all legacy. How has any of that changed in the last 15 years? Instagram's the same with a bunch of new features on it. You're still on websites, blah, blah, blah, right? Of course, Google's got an AI tab right now, and you might see some of that. But this is like the legacy internet. We're about to step into the post-web era where interfaces are going to be purely agentic. What does that mean? It's like, you've seen Iron Man, right? Or maybe you've seen Iron Man. It's like, okay, I'm talking to my AI. Jarvis. (59:36 - 1:03:25) Jarvis, right? Jarvis, exactly. It knows what's up. It knows my context. It knows the context of everything I'm connected to. And I'm just in connection with that. It's finding me the content, finding me the people. It's doing the things. Brilliant. I don't have to be clicking around, doing the things. It's doing all of that for me on its own accord, kind of 24-7. Right? That's going to be the new interfaces. And you're going to have your own custom portal to the interwebs through your main agent or series of agents. And that's it. You're not going to be scrolling through Instagram anymore. It's going to be like, hey, Erasmus, just three posts today that are really powerful. And here's how you can leverage this content to create a dialogue. And by the way, I've already reached out to the creators and booked in a time with them. That's going to be the level of how it's going to move and shift. And there's so many benefits to that, of course, that have potentially pitfalls too. I see with this type of leverage, not just creatively, not just in the context of building relationships, but also in an economic way, to be able to productize, to be able to grow your businesses, to be able to reach new audiences, all of that fun stuff. It's going to open up a lot more opportunity for prosperity, which can then be redistributed to different projects, different impact initiatives. The things that I feel we really need as a species to continue not to migrate fully off the digital realm, but to really tend to the infrastructure in the physical realm that we need to thrive, which are localized, regenerative economies, hubs, all of this stuff. So I see AI and technology actually being a leverage point to that, but not for everyone because everyone wants that. Yeah. I mean, I guess that there is a point to that in the more that we can automate our digital tasks, even our digital interactions in a sense, then the more energy and time that kind of frees up for us to kind of reclaim some energy in the practical and in the human. Yeah. I mean, when I think about it, I go, I would love to be able to outsource some of this stuff. Obviously, I have high standards, but if I get to spend more time in my garden, more time with community, more time on calls, like educating, inspiring, and teaching while everything else is being sorted, like, sign me up. That's how I want to live my life in that regards. So yeah, it is very interesting. I'm curious, Nikhil, I know that it's probably in the early stages, but we have a podcast called Here for the Truth. I would love where we can just press a button and then it is translated in 60 languages immediately and then sent out to these different countries in their language, like audio dubbed or whatever, or even just translated underneath if they're watching video. That would be incredible. That would be able to go to so many, be able to go out to so many people around the world. Even just the simplicity of ChatGPTNOW, I wrote an article recently and I just like cut and paste it and said translate it to Greek and gave it to my mom. My mom is living with us and she read the whole thing and like completely impacted her. I wouldn't be able to do that, you know, a year and a half ago, like two seconds, cut, paste, print, here mom, read this piece that I just put out. And then like tears in her eyes. Wow. Like that experience that she gets to have because, you know, she doesn't understand the English language, you know, to the degree where she would be able to read that and take it in fully. She might get some aspects of it, but by the press of a button, I was able to translate it to Greek and have my mom have a beautiful, deep experience and actually get me and understand me and maybe a little bit of what I do in a whole new way. Just to be fair, Google Translate did exist two years ago, but I get your point. (1:03:25 - 1:03:31) Yeah. But I just mean like, sure. But it just like, I didn't, I remember using it in the past and it just didn't like. (1:03:31 - 1:03:32) Yeah. It's not, it's not, you're right. You're right. (1:03:33 - 1:03:37) Google Translate kind of fails, especially in Spanish a lot. Oh, it's bad. It's bad. (1:03:38 - 1:03:41) Yeah. Like it's. It's embarrassed me so many times. (1:03:42 - 1:06:48) Like, it's so cool with my mom, like she's dealing with some movement issues and health issues that I think a lot of relate to like, um, you know, stuff that she's navigated, the trauma she's experienced in her life. Like I just went on chat GPT and I was like, I like gave it clear instructions to like create an EFT, like a tapping thing. And then I said, now translate this to Greek. And so then I go with my mom and we're doing tapping in Greek and she's like, you know, having an experience. So again, like this is where I think like, how do we utilize it? And so the benefits are like, it's so easy to go into the extreme. It's like, again, go back to duality, like integrating both. Sure. We should be mindful. There's some things that can happen where maybe it's not being utilized in the right way, but what are the gifts? What are the gifts of this technology? You know, I'm experiencing it in so many different ways. It is supporting me to do research projects around the house, planting, gardening, like it's freeing up my time to focus on other things that I care about that are higher value tasks and higher values for me. Age of Aquarius, right? You said this is the promise for us. And look, technology, it comes from a nature. I mean, computer systems come from nature. Like it's all part of the one system. And it's all about the intention behind it. Exactly what you're speaking to. And as always, I think as far as we're living in a dualistic realm, there's going to be the benevolent use cases and the emergent innovations. And there's going to be the malevolent, questionable, sketchy things. I don't see that going anywhere. Yeah. And it comes back down to, again, your individual consciousness. Who are you as a being? Like you mentioned earlier, like the people who haven't maybe navigated certain things within themselves, codependency, et cetera. Who are you at the end of the day? How healthy are you? What's your mindset? What's the state of your nervous system? Do you really know yourself? How do you utilize these tools? Do you utilize them in a way where it's like more in alignment with who you are as a person or not? Or are you using it to overcompensate for the fact that you aren't a self in the sense of where you know yourself and you've done this level of work on yourself where you can see and can analyze and you can dance with technology in a way that amplifies you as opposed to like, well, this could just fucking replace me. I'm fucking replaceable. And you know what? I'm not fucking replaceable. No one can replace me. You know? So... Yeah, man. Ultimately, we've heard these same fears throughout history being echoed time and time again. I'm sure when people were moving away from carrier pigeons to maybe sending letters, there was the same kind of fears that took place when the pencil was introduced, when books came into the picture, when the computer was introduced, when the internet and now AI is like, there's always that segment of society that is like, this is going to be the end of humanity. You know? Yeah. (1:06:48 - 1:09:02) Yeah. When I see online, people commenting like so rigid, so extreme, like, oh, fuck that AI stuff. I'm never touching it. It's a signpost on their consciousness. It provides me like, oh, I can read you. I can analyze you and what the state of your inner world is based on that level of rigidity, which forget AI, we could just see that in other areas of our life on how people communicate. It's just like, okay, cool. Don't use it as a tool. AI alone was worthy just for me to be able to press a button, translate something that I wrote to give to my mom and to have that experience with her. That is with me forever. You know what the thing is? Even with the copy thing, the AI copy thing, previous to the last year and a half, people were fucking hiring copywriters to write their emails, to write their posts, to write the things. That wasn't your voice. That wasn't your shit. It's funny, bias. It's a funny thing, isn't it? If something is serving you, great. But if something is kind of threatening you, then you just kind of switched up instantaneously. We're going to see a lot more of that. We're going to see a lot of people threatened by a hyper intelligence that is each day getting better at expressing humanistic traits. That's by design. They want that. It's not there yet, obviously. There is this mirror that people will have to face inside of themselves. Like, oh, can this replace me? Am I actually irreplaceable? What is my value? What is my worth? There's definitely medicine in that process as it is if people are to look at themselves and their triggers, which we know that always are. What are your, like, currently, with all the different AI for different things out there, what are your favorite ones to utilize for different reasons? Yeah, so I've been using ChatGPT and Claude predominantly for the past few years. (1:09:02 - 1:15:07) Specifically with ChatGPT, I love the O3 model, the reasoning model, as it's just a really powerful thinker. I don't know if you've used it before, but it thinks for a longer period of time. It very, very logically presents action plans and supports you in very strategic ways. I love the deep research feature on there as well, which goes out and finds like 60, 70 different resources regarding various subject matter. I made a really powerful thread and connection with my ancestry using the deep research model and found a lot of information that's now informing my creative hypothesis around the main project that I'm working on. Claude is also really good. And look, we're building our own AI-native platform and system, and we have been building it for about five months. So we've been using the ChatGPT Pro subscription, which is about $200 a month, and using some of the developer tools with Claude. And the coding ability is mind-blowing, right? So I don't know, most listeners likely aren't using AI to code things. Although, you can have a senior software engineer on deck now as part of your team for a $200 subscription. It's wild. So just on that side of AI, how things are progressing, just two weeks ago, OpenAI launched a Codex feature, which essentially gives you a pretty much like a senior software engineer. You can give it infinite concurrent tasks connected to your code base, and it's just fixing, fixing, fixing, like multiple tasks at the same time. It's wild, some of those things that are possible, and how these type of innovations are going to influence and inform what gets built into the world. But yeah, those are kind of like the major tools for me. Do you think real human engineers, like coders, are going to become obsolete? So yeah, yes. Sad to say yes, not everyone. So even now, a lot of the majority of the jobs in the whole software engineering space require you to use AI. Because if I've got a company, and if I'm bringing on a new developer, if they're not using AI, they're at a massive disadvantage, because they can 10x their productivity. If they have got a context around code, and are using these tools, it's game-changing. So at the high operational levels, I don't think jobs are going to be threatened per se, because the architects that understand the systems, they're still going to have their role. But the day-to-day coding, AI can code as good, if not better, than a senior coder in multiple languages right now. So it's the reality of it. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. I'm of the opinion that, and this might deter some people, but anything that can be made obsolete, probably should be made obsolete. Because ultimately, it only creates more space for where the uniqueness that only humans can bring to fill that space. And it opens up that gap, and it directs us towards those tasks. And that might seem scary in the beginning. But ultimately, when things that become redundant are made redundant, it forces you to dig deeper, and it opens up space. How can we even possibly imagine what's possible for human creativity at this junction? But I think it makes it more exciting, and it provides more opportunity, and it leads us into unknown realms of human creativity, as opposed to limiting it. I'm with you. There's a high probability that a majority of jobs are going to be replaced, or either highly disrupted by AI. By highly disrupted, meaning that that person that's doing that job, i.e. an accountant right now, they're going to be expected to use AI to support their accounting process, to wield it with intention. And that's an inevitability across the board. Speaking to your point, we're stepping into an entirely unprecedented arena in this human experience, with the convergence of technology, the awakening of human consciousness, and of course, the shadow being revealed, for better or for worse, it's all here. This presents us with massive opportunities for innovation, not just in the realms of technology, how we do business, but also how we relate to the world, and how we relate to ourselves, how we're seeing ourselves on the leading edge of this evolutionary spectrum, recognizing that not that long ago, we were just banging sticks together, which is not a bad thing. I mean, it's profound that we can bang sticks together, or we can light a fire, but now we've got access to hyperintelligence, and we've got a heart, and we've got a vision, and now we can click a few buttons and make magic happen, literally. It's like, okay, so are we not positioning for that versus being stuck and held and addicted almost to these legacy systems, which in themselves are systems of control? So there's a natural attrition that will happen, right? And the ones that are willing to embrace it with curiosity are the ones that are really going to thrive in this new era, for sure. (1:15:07 - 1:17:37) Yeah, man, for sure. And we're massive, obviously, proponents of developing authentic self-esteem here. And just as technology continues to innovate and grow and becomes more enmeshed in our world, the need for self-esteem continually becomes greater as well, for obvious reasons. And even when it comes to these jobs, say traditional coding might become obsolete, but you need an individual of high self-esteem, of high self-efficacy, to be able to be behind there and 10X their productivity through the use of these things. And so more and more, the autonomous individual who can think for themselves, who is genuinely creative, who has ideas, who has visions, this kind of person is very excited by everything that's taken place because it just amplifies their impact monumentously in ways that before were not really imaginable. This is like a renaissance period for creatives. It truly is. Now's the time where you can just supercharge your creative abilities, reach new people, reach new markets, experiment very quickly and just become an even more prolific creator. And specifically, if you have a lens of impact and service, this is why I'm so excited. It's like my prayers have been answered in many ways, because a lot of what I was seeing in the context of specific systems and structures that I believe are going to be very important for the future that we're building, now it's like, ah, the tools are available right now and they continue to become more adept. So for me, I'm like, this is absolutely what a brilliant time and such a leverage that we have as creators. And the creator economy is continuing to grow and expand. So it's like the creator economy with authenticity, self-esteem, originality at the core, that's now augmented and scaffold by AI-powered systems. And I'm still bullish on decentralized technology as a kind of scaffold for sovereign systems and self-ownership and stewardship as well, kind of playing a role in that. So to me, that's where I'm playing, like creator economy, AI systems, decentralized technology and blockchain. (1:17:37 - 1:20:05) And at the heart of it, it's myth, truth, moving and orienting from that space. That's where I'm directing my energy as my platform and direction moving forward because it's the opportunity at hand right now. Yeah. Did you hear recently, I think it was Gary Vee, where he's saying in the near future, I don't know how many years exactly, that he said 80% of influencers online are going to be AI. What do you think of that? Yeah. It's already happening. Like right now, probably in the next half an hour, we could create a high-fidelity Erasmus clone who looks exactly like you, who speaks, well, not as sexy and refined and forged out of Athenian bronze, but we could whip something up pretty decent with your voice, train on your content, and we can just deploy it to go out into the world and just do the thing, right? And it's pretty good now. It's only going to get better and better and better. And yeah, Gary Vee has, whether he's informed or predicted a lot of the innovations in the digital social space, he's been successful with that. And then you look at the Zuckerbergs and stuff that openly say what their intention is, that the world's going to be like billions and billions and billions of AI agents that are interfacing with each other, doing their thing, talking and speaking, right? And so what a benefit of that is, is that like, well, now there's Team Erasmus, right, or Team Here for the Truth, versions of you and other kind of like sub-versions of you that are out into the world doing things, making magic happen, growing stuff, right? Like whether or not you want to do that. And I could be in the garden and then I could just hang out in my garden. Exactly. No, I mean, I need the balance. I know myself. I can't just be like, I see some of the stuff happening in the tech space and like, there's certain things that kind of go against like my deeper value system. I appreciate it as a tool, but like, I don't know how it feels like AI Erasmus out there in the world doing things, but I don't know. I mean, who knows how things shift and evolved. I'm open to certain elements and I'm open to changing. (1:20:06 - 1:20:13) And at the end of the day, it's like Here for the Truth, like we want to hear for the truth empire. Yes. We're here to build something that impacts the lives of people all around the world. (1:20:14 - 1:23:24) And even back to my previous point, if we can get to a place where we can translate everything that we do, everything that we're about in, you know, 60, 70 other languages and put it out there, I'm all for it. If we can, I guess, inspire other people to embrace their individuality more and build self-esteem and live more heroic lives and maybe other parts of the world that haven't been exposed to some of these ideas in the same way, what could our world be like? You know, it's like America is unique in a lot of ways and what is at the foundation of the ethos of America. And so I'm not saying we have to like spread our views on everyone, but there are certain things that are at the foundation of what we do, like that, that, that honor the individual and honor the creative process and honor the genius of, of what a person can do and create and produce and self-knowledge, self-love, like all this stuff that I think maybe is, is not as accessible in some places. Anyways, I'm just like kind of ripping, like what is possible? Yeah, bro. Well, we know the power of knowledge just simply in our own lives from that one podcast we listened to or that one author we came into or that one, whatever it might be like someone in some remote place has just access to inspiration, you know, that wasn't there before that can just change the entire texture of their being in many ways. I mean, we, we have, we get emails often of people are like, I just found your podcast and I just binge watched and like, it's absolutely transformed my life. Now these are primary, these are English speakers. Imagine the use of technology and I keep bringing up this point to go to non-English speakers and to hear things and ideas and energy. It's, it's massive. And, and here's, here's the, the innovation that it's, it's inevitable as well, right? Like for example, you know, right now you've got Rise Above the Hurt, right? Which is your phenomenal program and it's delivered through a series of videos, content, calls, and a community component. Brilliant, right? So full of value, right? And there's going to be AI agents, right? Which are a piece of technology that's trained in all of that content that is now like actively messaging me or talking to me multiple times a day saying, Hey, watch the video. What did you learn? Let's have a conversation about it. That's actively invested in my growth journey that can be totally automated and scalable, right? So it's like a proactive system, which is agentic that can now deliver content, deliver trainings, and take people on journeys. The whole course industry is going to be totally disrupted, you know, you know, for, for better or for worse. And to do that in, you know, in just to like a community in Mali or Somalia or, you know, somewhere in rural China, right? There's going to be this massive democratization of how knowledge and wisdom is able to be distributed, but then also how people can be held by these systems. (1:23:24 - 1:24:46) And where I'm coming from is that we get to also train AI to be benevolent, to consider, you know, the human without necessarily trying to kind of dominate it, you know, or subjugate it as well. And there's still a lot of, yeah. Yeah. I can't, I can't wait to incite, incite a revolution of like individualists rising up against their collectivist tyrants. Well, here's the thing, like the, the opposite of that, which is, you know, keep people entrapped and enslaved and just kind of in fear, that's already happening through the rampant amount of AI bots that are out there in the wild. You see what I mean? That's all, it's already, that's been happening for years, for years and years. So for me, I'm like, we get to build a benevolent army of agents that are out there doing good or that are sharing a positive message. There's, and I do feel that that is what things is going to come down to really, it's going to come down to like the control of information and how effective these agents are. And the fact that there needs to be agents out there that are trained on the goodness of humanity, the potential of our soul, what is good about the world so that the AI at large isn't dystopian, because you're going to have an AI system that's talking to another AI system about humanity. (1:24:46 - 1:25:53) And it's like, well, I want to do this. It's like, well, no, we've got to do this because humanity is worth it. Like this is, you know, hypothetical things that will likely happen kind of behind the scenes. So, and when these systems are connected to economic levers, i.e. stock markets, i.e. exchanges are able to create content at scale, which they already can, post that content, do sentiment analysis instantaneously through data aggregation, and then through biometric reading of people's emotions to the camera, you know, you've got like these really hyper-intelligent systems that can manipulate an engineer. And what is the balancing point with that? Like, how do we balance these systems out? For me, a big part of it is developing systems. And it's not just me. I know like two other people that are building, you know, benevolent AI systems. But then beyond all of that, it's really about us as a species. Coming back to that one thing around what I said my mission was, it's like, are we able to liberate our own consciousness? Technology and education can support that. (1:25:53 - 1:28:48) So, we can act as a unified, interconnected, interdependent system and shift the reality through our own presence and have technology be a supporter of that. For me, that's where I'm going with all of this conversation because the AI is great, but what's next for us as a species with our embodiment and how we actually move through the world and lead? For me, that's an important piece. And then having access to instantaneous technology, data, intelligence, and wisdom so we can make more informed decisions at a much faster clip as well, right? Because it is the speed of decision that affects how things move in the reality. And, you know, unfortunately, there are nefarious forces that are not just making very, very quick decisions that are empowered by AI, but they've got like master plans that read in decades and centuries. So, for me, I'm really excited about, like, how do we come together as, you know, groups of leaders and alliances of alliances and leverage the wisdom and technology and knowledge that we have at hand to deploy things in the world, to make changes. And, like, for example, what you're saying around reaching 70 languages, making things happen quicker, you know, sharing knowledge, sharing wisdom, sharing all of that, this is like the evolutionary edge of humanity. And I see many in spiritual circles that kind of speak to things like these, that have visions, that just stay in the ethers. But for me, we're reaching the time in our human experience that it's time to actually, like, to ground a lot of this down, to develop these systems and structures, to support each other, to move in an interdependent way, and to show what's possible. And AI technology supports that by the pure nature of just, like, dissolving the silos and information and giving us access to collective intelligence at a click of a button. That's really powerful, you know, so that's kind of where my direction is heading with this, so that we don't stay in silos anymore, so we actually plan ahead, use AI to help our planning process, and to think about the next two, three, five, ten, twenty, thirty years, and start building accordingly. Mic drop right there, bro. Damn. I can't wait to hear Rastafarian Yerasmus dubbed. Yes. Yeah, well, it's kind of interesting to think that, like, my voice will then be able to, like, be spoken in, like, Italian and, you know, Chinese, and it'll still be my voice, but as, like, a Chinese person. You know what I mean? Like, check out right now, naturalreaders.com. Right, naturalreaders.com. You can train up your voice in, like, a minute. Obviously, the more that you give it, the better. And then, yeah, it can get you to read back whatever text you put in all these different languages, too. (1:28:49 - 1:28:52) Damn, man. Yeah, it's here. It's already here. (1:28:52 - 1:28:59) It's crazy. Nikhil, bro, thank you so much for the past 90 minutes. We appreciate it so much. (1:29:00 - 1:29:43) It's such a unique pathway and a unique presence that you hold because, you know, in this, particularly where we're going, there's so much technological doom and gloom and black pill around this kind of subject. But I think for someone that really understands the pathway forward that, you know, involves the amplification of humanity and authenticity with these tools, is so necessary and so important, man. So, thank you for being here. I'm so glad that everything on your journey happened on your journey so that we can ultimately have this conversation. Itadakimasu, as they say. Itadakimasu. (1:29:43 - 1:31:45) Itadakimasu, yeah. Thank you for everything that it took to make this happen. And yeah, bro, how would you like to, I guess, direct our audience at this point in time in terms of if they're feeling inspired to connect with you or engage with you in any way? Yeah, no, what an honor to be on the conversation with you both. And yeah, if someone feels call and resonance, there's a few ways. So, you can visit me on Instagram at primal.alchemy. You can visit my website, nikhilkale.com. And on the website, you can receive a free copy of my book, God Force, Liberate Your Mind, Master Your Reality, Unleash Your Primal Genius. And if you want to stay up to date with the evolutionary platform that we've been building for the past few years and innovating on, it's asraya.io. So, A-S-R-A-Y-A dot I-O. You can jump on the email list and connect there. And I want to share just one little final piece here specifically around technology. Etymologically speaking, of course, it's Greek, right? Techni is like art or craft, right? And logi, the logos, the word, right? So, technology is, it's about, it has been about your craft, your skill, how you're able to kind of weave your art into the world, right? So, I think the word has been hijacked a little bit. But if you think about it this way, it's how can you use your word, your intent, or your prompt even, right? To interface and to amplify your craft in the world. Yeah, man. Thank you so much for that, bro. And like, you are the greatest technology. And ultimately, like, AI is an extension of what humans have built, what humans have created, of what humans are capable of in that essence as well, you know? So, yeah, I really appreciate your perspective and the space you hold, man. Everyone else, thank you so much for listening. (1:31:46 - 1:31:48) We'll see you next time. Take care. Thank you. (1:31:49 - 1:31:57) And that wraps up today's journey. But hey, the truth train doesn't stop here. 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