Tom Barnett Northern Rivers Flooding & the Importance of Self-Responsibility

[Speaker 1] (0:00 - 3:33) You are now listening to the Hear for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stelionesis. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Hear for the Truth podcast. I'm Joel Rafiti. As always, I've got my co-host Erasmus. Old listeners, regular listeners, new listeners, thank you so much for being here. Today, we have the pleasure of hosting once again the amazing Tom Barnett. This guy is just a dynamic wealth of knowledge and the conversations that come out when we get together, truly inspiring to me every single time they take place. We're really highlighting today some of the disaster that's gone on in the northern regions of New South Wales, Australia, in terms of the flooding, natural, unnatural. We're having the conversation in a way here you can decide for yourself. Hereforthetruth.com. All our episodes, all our resources are there. You can grab our ebook. There's 10 days left to apply for our course, Rise Above the Herd. We take off on March 28. If you're interested, you can learn more about it from our website as well. Just hit the course button. Telegram. Are you here for the truth? That's growing. There's a nice community there. We're interactive there as well. So please feel free to join the conversation. All the links are in the show notes. Guys, please enjoy this episode. It was a conversation that I truly appreciated. All right, everybody. Tom Barnett is back in the house with us once again. If you want to know about Tom and lean in on a bit more about himself, check out our earliest podcast with Tom on episode 18. For now, we want to really dive straight into a lot of what's been going on in the Northern Rivers. Obviously, this is a big topic here in Australia. I'm sure it's made its way across international borders as well. Basically, Tom, can you start with just an overview of what's taken place and where things are at the moment? Sure. Well, yeah, thanks for having us, guys. We've pretty much had our worst flood in recent memory for decades. Some would say 500 years, but I think that's a lie because I don't think they knew what happened more than a couple of hundred years ago, even a hundred years ago. But at the same time, it's been very devastating. You can't actually fathom it until you're there to go into a town and walk the streets and then see a fridge or a washing machine up in the power lines, which are four or five meters overhead. I mean, even when you see the footage of people doing rescues from jet skis and boats, and they're just kind of clipping the top of traffic lights, so you can kind of get an idea. But then when you're there in the town and you're really observing it all, it's quite phenomenal. It's really hard to fathom. So we've had widespread devastation through many of the towns in the Northern Rivers. The waters, thankfully, resided fairly quickly and it's now just clean up. It's really cleaning up, getting people back on their feet. Many rescues were performed. A lot of aid was brought to people by the community, no less, not by the so-called authorities. We are absolutely now, if we weren't sure of it before, we are the authority around here. So that's what's been going on and currently, to be honest, despite what people are hearing, yes, there's some loss, including loss of life, but the general spirits are really high. [Speaker 2] (3:34 - 3:53) Wow, man. It's pretty wild when you think about what's gone on the last two years and how much money has been invested into policing people from being outside, etc, etc. And yet a real tragedy happens, and yet where are they to be found, the government? [Speaker 1] (3:54 - 13:48) Yeah, well, I figured out if I ever want to rob a bank, I'll wait till it's raining, because apparently when it's raining, you can't see a cop for miles, so that's what I'll do. Tom, can you just really outline the extent of the devastation that's taken place? Because I think people are seeing different images and whatnot, but just to truly give people a grasp of perhaps how life was and what life is at the moment in the midst of this recovery. All right, so the low-lying areas, which are the floodplains, which by the way, they always flood. So people who live in floodplains know that they're prone to flooding. It's happened many times. When it was last year around November, a lot of insurance companies contacted people in Mullumbimby, Lismore, that I know of, and probably other areas as well, and said, we've reassessed where you are and we're no longer willing to cover you for floods. So there's an element there of informed consent that really is being put forward, which we can cover later in the chat if you like, but that's just to kind of set the scene. Those places in the low-lying flood zones, all the houses just got washed through. So people lost their belongings, they're having to pull flooring and walls out, the houses are filling with mould and there's a lot of cleanup, you know, there's mud that was put through all the houses. Those that were in the upper areas, so we're talking places like Upper Mainarm, Upper Wilson's Creek, Huonbrook, places that you're probably not familiar with, but they're up in the hills, they were subject to landslides. First of all, the water washed a lot of the roads and bridges away, and then after that there's been landslides which have been quite devastating that has caused loss of life, injuries, houses literally like, again, to see this stuff is just, you know, you assume a house is safe as houses, as the expression goes, but you see what happens when some earth slides. These houses have just literally been moved hundreds of meters down and just collapsed. I know of one shipping container on someone's property, a 40-footer, that is now five kilometers from where it originated from. So these old stories of displaced cargo ships and huge structures are obviously based on a lot of truth that nature can do that. I firmly believe, which we can also talk about, that this is not purely a natural event, but when nature does do its stuff, it's phenomenal what it can do. Man doesn't really stand a chance. Yeah, so like obviously, I mean, lots of people have been displaced in this process, lots of young families also, whatnot. What are their living circumstances currently like? How are most people getting by day-to-day? You mean people have lost their homes and lost all their possessions? Yeah, so a lot of the homes are habitable insofar as you can still put an air mattress in, you can still sleep in it after the waters went down, the mud was cleaned out. A lot of the community centers have been set up as respite centers, so that sometimes there's hundreds to over a thousand people sleeping in community halls. A lot of people in the community did open up their homes, so there are several people that are temporarily rehomed within other people's places. One of the best things is, while there's still some greed going on, there are so many houses and buildings in this area that are vacant for 80 to 90 percent of the year because they're used for holiday letting and Airbnb. Thankfully, some of those finally, in an area where there was already a housing crisis, is being put to use. Although, as I said, there are still some people who aren't providing that kind of thing, which is up to them, but by and large, it's the community, again, that is doing all of the support for our own community. Yeah, okay, and for those that, I guess we haven't clarified this, but we're talking about northern New South Wales in Australia at the moment, the Byron Bay area, if anyone's familiar with that suburb, obviously. Tom, can you let the audience know a little bit about the demographic that actually lives in this region? Yep, first of all, Byron's untouched. Byron literally had nothing. The waters got flooded in the paddocks either side of Ewingsdale Road, which is the road into Byron, wouldn't know anything. People were shopping around in Byron, buying clothes and having coffees. Meanwhile, 15 kilometers away, there's mayhem. It's like a complete disparate energy going on, but the demographic in this region, the Shire, which is Byron Bay, Mullumbimby, Brunswick Heads, Ballina, all these areas, is of generally free-thinking people. So if the government wants to do something and they want to do land grabs and put in Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030, this community in general does not want that. That's the demographic here. They're very curious that, I didn't know that, but that Byron wasn't actually touched in this process. We're going there now. Let's talk about it. How natural is this, in your opinion, I guess, is the question. Yeah. All right. Well, there's two facets to this that I can say. One is that there are always natural cycles that happen within the earth. There's floods, there's displacement of land, there's mud floods, there's droughts, there's fires. These all happen periodically anyway. But what we see and have been seeing over the past even couple of decades has been ramping up the amount of man-made interaction and influence on the environment. Now, the narrative for that that you'll hear from the television is global warming, which because the earth wasn't actually warming, they had to turn that into climate change. That's essentially saying that the earth is undergoing changes. It's beginning to destruct and we're the cause of it and it's going to be mayhem for us. The inversion of that really is that man has been, when I say man, I mean some of these people that have bazillions of dollars and they generally control things. They control the news, they control what people think and feel, and they have a lot of influence even on the weather. For anybody that's not familiar with that or thinks that sounds like a conspiracy, probably most of your audience won't, but just in case, you only need to look up the World Economic Forum's Agenda 21 and 2030, which outlines weather manipulation. They have put themselves in legislation which allows them to modify the weather with processes such as cloud seeding. That's a lot of the sprays that you see up above. That's been going on relentlessly, especially for the last 6 to 12 months, like way more so than usual. That's spraying things like silver iodide, barium, strontium, and other metal particulates into the atmosphere which do cloud seed. When the Earth goes through its natural rhythms, we can kind of piggyback that, if you will, and then influence that further, where we can cause catastrophic rain events or bushfire events if we choose to manipulate the weather and also to control the environment where we stop people doing something like backburning or we influence the underground water networks and so forth. There's a lot of man-made influence and manipulation when it comes to what we've seen because, to be honest, I've seen more rain than this a few years ago. I was a part of it. It flooded, but there was definitely more rain than what we just saw, despite the rain bomb, inverting commas, that we got hit by. To see this level of flooding is somewhat suspicious. Just to clarify, in your view, is there differences between, say, chemtrails, geoengineering, cloud seeding? Are these all similar processes? What are the differences there? Well, my understanding, Joel, is that they're all the same thing, but they're just referred to in a different manner. Cloud seeding would be the corporate official title for it. Geoengineering would be something that other organizations may call it. Then the chemtrails is what they put out as the conspiracy, if you will, so that anybody that even mentions it, they just go, oh, you mean chemtrails? Are you a conspiracy theorist? Again, something that they coined as well. It's just this way to manipulate the mainstream mind, where people who are aware of these things and open to the idea that the weather could be manipulated for nefarious reasons, who aren't so reliant on mummy and daddy and the teat in their mouth that they couldn't possibly even comprehend that happening, then they'll go, okay, well, I can put two and two together. To almost prevent, these people are very smart. They're not dumb people that put these narratives out and put these agendas out. I think what they do is think ahead of the curve and think, well, how will people respond to that? Let's put in the term chemtrails and let's have heaps of people try to argue that chemtrails are real. Then they go, no, they're contrails. It's condensation coming off of a plane and have pilots get in much the way they get dentists or doctors to get involved in social media discussion about topics such as vaccines and fluoride and what have you. They're not changing the mind of those who are already able to see, but they're acting as a wedge between those people and those that are yet able to see and putting such a block to them really being able to get that information because they'll just see it as conspiracy and those people who talk about fluoride, vaccines, geoengineering, those are crazy conspiracy theorists. It just prevents them from taking that step of even looking to that kind of information. [Speaker 2] (13:49 - 14:03) Can you go into a little bit more why these people that we'd say that have the gazillions of dollars that are in power that are pushing these agendas, can you go more into why they would want to manipulate the weather? [Speaker 1] (14:05 - 29:05) Yeah, sure. A lot of the answers I don't know for sure. I can just tell you what my experience has shown me. I'm not going to tell you that it's the truth or that I know the answer. There are people that do know the answer. I know that. For me, what it means is the money is almost irrelevant. For me, what these people are, they inhabit this realm. It's almost like they've conquered. They're here in a place that they're not really meant to be. Their whole modus operandi is power and control. Money is almost irrelevant. It's just a tool to control things. If they have the ability to manipulate the weather, A, that satisfies their highly egoic need for power and control because, hey, now you're playing God. You can manipulate the weather. Also, what it does is it allows them to control the responses or the innate state of being of the general populace, which we would call real human beings. That's for many reasons. One, you can influence more power and control and turn that into more money if you would like to do so. It also, though, allows you to tap into what is usually unseen. That's the energy resource that we are. My understanding is that we are the most powerful creative force in the universe because we're made in the image of the creator of this realm. Those that inhabit this place who have, let's say, the controlling stake in the narratives, they're not really meant to be here. They're the deceivers. They're the ones that are actually trying to work against that. What they can do is it's not even about selling us a narrative. It's deeper than that. If they sell us a narrative, then we are the ones that create that. We play it out for them. It's something that I believe they can't create, but they can implant the idea within us. Then us using our innate creative powers, we're cut off from the source then. We're not really creating what we're supposed to do. We're just following their trail. We're creating what they've put out as an offer or an idea for us. We internalize it and express from what we truly are, which at the end of the day does what? To me, that cuts us off from that pure source energy, which is limitless, ultimately powerful. It's what they would fear the most because that would then just shut down their operations completely. It's the distraction. Them being able to do that creates so much of a distraction for human beings that they never get to find themselves. Everything that I do, if I could condense it down to one phrase is to know thyself. Everything that I do as far as the information that I give out or the things that I do, it's all about that because for me, that's really the answer to everything because then no one else has control over that. While we're following other people's narratives and giving our energy to them, well, it's not there for us. We're not actually doing our innate purpose here. We're being led around to do somebody else's bidding. Let's put a pin in that know thyself. I definitely want to come back to that for sure. Particularly for the Northern Rivers region, you mentioned potential smart cities. What are the other reasons that they would be targeting this region other than the free-thinking demographic if that was to be the case? The smart cities is the agenda. The reason they would target here is basically because of what I was just speaking about. If you take one of the most powerful regions on earth and then if I say it's the most powerful region, why would I say that? Well, there's so much quartz and obsidian crystal and the energy lines that they call ley lines or song lines, the indigenous referred to, they run right through this region and those lines go to Uluru and they go across to other continents as well. It's what you might call an activation point on earth. People might be familiar with several of these. They're usually where the wonders are such as Stonehenge or Machu Picchu or Bermuda Triangle where weird things happen that physics can't explain. These are like nodes or activation points of the earth. Very similar to our own body. We have what hippies call chakras and what science would call you just essentially call them like an electrical potential point where more nerve endings are bundled together which creates more electrical energy. Like meridians, right? Yeah. Well, the points are like the energy centers in the body and the meridians connect them. So we have several throughout the body and it's simply where more neural activity occurs. You can measure it. And then the meridians are like the power lines that essentially connect them all together. So that's similar to the earth. But Byron Bay is one of those strong energy centers and then the song lines or the ley lines connect to the other energy centers across the earth. And it attracts people here for many reasons. And if you have people that are also more activated, that allows them to connect more deeply with the land itself which can then connect to what many people call the creation energy which is the sun and the sun energy. So what that means to answer your question is simply this. This region is not only a highly activated area or potentially activated area but you have a high population of people who are becoming themselves which is a real threat to the establishment. So if you wanted to take out anything you would take out a bigger threat to the establishment which is a the most powerful land and be the most powerful collective group of people. And that in Australia at least would appear to be this northern rivers region of New South Wales. Yep. Wow man. Well put and a lot to think about. Is it true that Renat mentioned this to us on one of the episodes that there was a particular 5G tower in Mullumbimbi which you guys shut down them putting up multiple times. Did they go and put that up during this process now as well? Yeah. Well it's not confirmed but they use this you know there's everyone's scattered at the moment trying to help out doing a lot. So they use that opportunity to get the cherry picker that we would normally block from getting in there. They got the cherry picker in to do. Well here's the backstory to this one. Yeah. Is that comms went down. So as soon as it flooded and comms went down. Now the areas flooded before and comms haven't gone down. And there are other comms that are working. So Telstra is down but Optus and Vodafone are working. And they essentially run off the same towers. So then you go hmm well what's really going on there? You know it's not that communications are down per se. It's that it's been very much tampered with. So then you pull that down. Problem, reaction, solution. Now you have the opportunity to go in and fix you know by fix I mean upgrade the towers. And once they're in there you would have to break the law to stop it. So my philosophy though is that anything can that can be constructed can also be deconstructed. So it's not really that much of a worry to us. But at the same time yes it does appear that they are currently doing the 5G upgrade at the Mullum Minitaur. Yep. And we mentioned like earlier how there hasn't been much government aid or relief or response in terms of what's been going on. Eventually the Prime Minister Scott Morrison made some sort of confuffle and we saw some photos of some kind of army presence with milk crates and milk cartons. Can you talk about that and also talk about the flip side just how the community has responded? Yeah so the community are the ones that sprung into action. We organised our own rescue, our own aid, our own missions to get it out to people, our own cleaning up and we did it all. The military turned up very late in the piece and we're really just going around not doing much. Now it's no I don't blame them personally because a lot of them are young guys in the reserves. They would be good-hearted people not necessarily trying to do this on purpose but they do what they're told right. So that comes from the higher up chain of command to essentially go around taking selfies and make it look like they're doing stuff but not really helping. Some of them are definitely getting in and helping not going to put them all down but if you want to look at the response compared to what was needed it was very disparate. That was not a match. So what Scott Morrison's been doing is doing the rounds for his publicity and just pissing people off in the process because he's really not been helping at all and it's very obvious that they're setting these up as publicity stunts and no real help or aid is being given. The flip side to that though guys is a real positive because more and more people are starting to say well we don't want to be governed anyway and since we're obviously capable of handling things ourselves you can do your publicity stunts and just we don't want you around here go away. There are a lot of people crying out for help and that's fine everybody's where they're at but those that are more empowered are just kind of like well who cares I don't even care that they turn up or don't not interested we're already getting work done where we're handling business ourselves and that's the way we like it and so it's almost like they've given up their claim to the land as far as I'm concerned and we have stepped in and claimed it which to me is a very key step in thwarting the agenda. Yeah man there definitely is a silver lining there for sure. I mean to you in your view what is the potential of this region going forward? I mean obviously the region is becoming more sovereign as a result of this so yeah can you speak on that? Sure yeah I mean you're exactly right it is becoming more that way there's a lot of structures that need to dissolve before that really happens there's the ties for the Indigenous is key getting the Indigenous to all unite and stop infighting is key to actually moving forward in that respect as far as I'm aware or as far as I'm concerned but yeah look all of it's really a state of being so while people say we want freedom we want to be sovereign and all these words that really mean nothing if their state of being is saying give us more benefits and privileges and you come in and do this for us and and I want my Netflix hooked back up tomorrow it's like your words or your intentions are at odds with your actual state of being which means that they'll just laugh at you they don't care what you say because you're still begging to be ruled you're still begging for mommy and daddy so as people are it's not necessarily that they were doing anything as in let's sign this piece of paper or let's let's rally the government or let's petition the council it's really people coming more into themselves so as their state of being becomes free and freedom to me equates to responsibility take full responsibility gain freedom you know don't take as much responsibility and get more benefits and privileges well then down goes your freedoms as a result they're like you can't have it all so so then you got to choose where you stand and people are just proving it to themselves that they can you know it's like a kid that takes training wheels off they're like holy crap I can ride a bike so I don't need you to watch over me anymore you know see you later I'm off on my own so now you've got your freedom to go and explore and ride a bike around because you're not hampered by uh the safety features that you might need to get going so people have had their training wheels taken off by uh necessity like it's just happened it's all right sink or swim and most people are swimming which is great I love it man it's a huge it's a huge reclamation of power and like we saw something very similar with what's gone on the last two years like obviously a lot of people are waking up and realizing I don't want to be part of the system anymore so what am I going to do and I've got I have to learn to be self-sufficient I have to learn to be self-reliant I have to learn to live my life without mommy and daddy you know so yeah I think that's that's massively important and you touched on a really um good point there as well because within collectives when there's expectation obligation easily comes into the picture see me for myself per se I don't really believe in the idea of of a collective because ultimately a collective is made up of individuals right there's only individual minds within the collective so it's up to each individual within that community to do their best to become as empowered as possible as opposed to some common good or some greater ideal within a community that we all have to oblige and live up to on some level yeah I'd agree for sure it's um but I think what the collective does is it provides the environment by which somebody can reach that potential uh you know like if you're like a guitar player you could kind of try to figure it out by yourself or if you sat in a room with epic guitarists then you just by osmosis you're kind of like oh I can see that I can hear that or you just emulate yeah but you still have they can't play for you you still have to play so I agree like the individual still has to play and get better themselves but I believe they'll get better faster uh in the environment where the collective is on that same page or providing that uh frequency into which they can tap so um yeah I just think individually just all on your own you won't get as much done but you definitely have to still no one can do that work for you yeah I hear you man I agree so there's a lot I guess that we could go into as far as the topics but I just wanted to bring up one quick thing please and that is it's it's um it's really just down to this responsibility part and when you said before you just said that more people have to do this as an individual journey and they do and there's a high element still even here people seem to think that this place is really like you know there's more switched on people there are but in my experience I see a lot more what you might just call normies they're actually closer to what I would consider truth than the awake people and that's because a lot of the awake people I find are lying to themselves constantly they're lying to themselves about where they're at they're lying to themselves about how free they really want to be or really are lying to themselves about how much responsibility and therefore work they're willing to do and take upon themselves I see so many ways by which the woke or conscious people are actually really uh I I see them creating a lot of blocks for themselves and and for the community as well whereas the normie type people are actually a lot more freely giving a lot more accepting of people in general uh I'm not I'm not trying to generalize because I know you know the way normies so to speak think about vaccines for example but just when it comes to getting work done and helping each other there's there is that which has to be I feel has to be said [Speaker 2] (29:06 - 29:22) well there's it makes me think of the saying I know we have in the states like more salt of the earth people as opposed to people that maybe are are suffering from some sort of like uh awake elitism on some level that I think that we see in the truth community so yeah it doesn't surprise [Speaker 1] (29:22 - 32:13) me at all yeah I think it's very similar cultures in the states in here as far as that goes you got that you sell to the earth people it would just you know no problem lending a hand and I don't want to I'm not just this isn't to put people down but just for as an example a lot of people around this area for example are like they just want to spend all day at the day spa and then just talk to each other about chakras and then like make all their money by a pool off of their laptop like that kind of thing and when you look at what value they're really creating it's not really that evident and likewise they won't feel much fulfillment so they'll constantly be chasing something like the next guru or the next the next workshop they can take or run or next money they can make because the inherent value is not really there when you can compare that to say a simple and I don't mean simple as in just in context a carpenter or a something to that effect who goes and provides value every day there's a there's a different level of satisfaction of return for what they're putting out and general just a general groundedness and things seem to move more freely around them whereas the people that I like don't really like to work at all they tend to create negative spirals around them and it affects the community as well now of course a lot of people are dropping the bullshit at the moment and the community is getting a lot done I'm just kind of like highlighting what has led to what we're currently seeing and I really think that a lot of that has to do with it a lot of the perversion of this area in particular and a lot of the the inability to take responsibility a lot of the lies that get thrown around especially to people to themselves and then taking advantage and opportunism all of that sort of stuff is quite rough even to the point where and this is again everything I say I'm not trying to put people down it is just a generalization to certain small pockets of people but there are certain people that think that it's not a good idea to have kids a because they think the world's not a great place but more so because it negatively affects their lifestyle that they have and not really needed to do any work or not and I'm like everyone that I know that is what you would consider a normal person says that having kids are great and I know so many quote-unquote woke or conscious people that think that kids ruin their lives because they don't get to spend all day at the day spa and spend all day on themselves and not providing any value so I really think that this has been a great wake-up call for everybody for many reasons like what's really important are all those cabinets that got ruined were they really important was I what am I holding on to what am I bound to or what's binding me what do I really value you know I think there's a lot [Speaker 2] (32:13 - 32:56) lessons to be learned that have been a blessing yeah well I find again I find and again I don't want to generalize but I live in the Los Angeles area and so I feel like there's people that are in these more spiritual or pseudo-spiritual communities there's a really high sense of entitlement that comes there so I could imagine when there's a certain level of like you know life circumstance or flooding or tragedy you know people that you know go to work every day that are grinding that have a certain level of appreciation for hard work it's just they're able to respond in a different way so I mean based on what you said it seems like I know you're not generalizing it seems like you're observing how that's playing out when there's a natural disaster [Speaker 1] (32:57 - 43:51) natural disaster like this yeah I agree I totally agree with the entitlement versus value aspect it's it is very strong around here as well anywhere that attracts the spiritual or pseudo-spiritual communities would have the same kind of energy I would imagine yeah yeah man I mean it's a whole episode on itself to talk about pseudo-spirituality and new ageism and people thinking they know what they don't know and they are somewhere where they're completely not whatsoever you know but like I mean try being human dude like it's hard like there's so many people that just want to escape from the from the natural humanness of of this life and this existence and ultimately it's all rooted in escapism all of it you know ultimately if you can't create that inherent value within yourself then to me you're not on any any kind of path whatsoever and you touched on something before like you talk about the basic definition of self-esteem is literally feeling a competence to deal with the basic challenges of life you know that's that's what self-esteem is that's that's that's that well that springs from within you which is that naturally generated happiness how many of these people do you think feel actually competent to deal with the basic challenges of life when something like this comes and takes place yeah not many because you can't take out your crystal and circle it around and figure out what to do it's not not going to work in those situations so you've it comes down to having actual uh life skills which is things like being able to source food or being able to uh hike a long distance and not need you know a massage every 10 meters you know you've got to be able to be robust and to be able to deal with life and i feel exactly what you said joel i think that there's a real another word i think or term for it is spiritual bypassing and to me spiritual bypassing is the aspect of not willing not being willing to look at yourself and move through the traumas because they're very painful so then what word did you use you said it was uh like avoidance or something yeah escapism escapism yeah it's escapism and we escape because something is too traumatic to deal with so we create imaginary friends and we create you know like kids do that's the trauma leading to that and adults are still doing it and the whole a lot of not all a lot of the spiritual uh new ageism is well actually all the new ageism but that's based on trying to avoid the traumas meanwhile even creating whole modalities around trauma release and stuff without ever getting to the traumas like that itself is like a complete avoidance of going through it and creating the idea that you're going through it and therefore cleaning yourself out and becoming enlightened so one of the things that i have observed is that what is cleansed and when there is a natural need to cleanse like this area you talk to the indigenous people about what they know about what goes on in some of the hills where people run ceremony where they're doing all their dmt and ayahuasca and cacao and with speed in it and all that sort of stuff the spirit of the land doesn't like that you know so so that that does need to be cleansed and in a natural cycle or you just say nature needing to cleanse itself we're nature and if we're not cleansing ourselves because we're lying to ourselves and we're spiritually bypassing or avoiding or whatever well then the waters will do it for us and that might mean washing away the bmw that you got from grifting people with your new age multi-level marketing or something you know nature will do that and or it'll take us it'll wash us away what it washes something away and whatever was washed away whatever it is whether it was somebody's life or it was part of their belongings or it was their livelihood or it was something well then there was something in that i believe we're all where we're meant to be at any particular time a lot of people around here had nothing they didn't lose anything a lot of people did and my understanding of life is that we were all where we were meant to be at any particular time and what was cleansed needed to be cleansed whether we understand it or not whether we get it or not whether we think it's fair or not i believe that what was cleansed was what was needed to be cleansed but then on top of that you have the man-made element that has interfered and so there is um there's a there's a lot of that to talk about as well but um it's definitely there's a lot of blurring of the lines there definitely man i i agree and i firmly believe that you mean everything is in balance i mean ultimately i believe you mean that that synchronicity is the reality in the sense that you mean we're always going to experience a lesson that needs to be learned because of something that you mean is either missing or lacking within and i think if people can gain the wisdom from that then they can grow on some sort of path but most people i guess have just created the blockage from from those lessons or from those waters being being naturally cleansed in some sense um and to me spiritual bypassing is very much so shadowed bypassing right it's being unwilling to face your own inauthenticity and so as a result you you put a firm block and you just continue to build upon this pseudo personality and this pseudo life but one day in one way or another as you mentioned something's going to collapse something's going to shift something's going to change and it's going to force you to deal with it um no one no one in my opinion can avoid that that pain of inauthenticity for long yeah i totally agree yep you can't because it's too much of a weight to hold up it has to come down at some point yeah sure man all right let me ask you this tom what does it mean to know thyself well you know it's only again my experience that i can share but what it means is we can talk about what it's not and what it's not is being inauthentic yeah you know it's uh that inauthenticity is exactly that lying to oneself and the more we lie to oneself the less we can get to know oneself so knowing thyself is a matter of being willing to um to see yourself and to learn to love yourself in ways that you could never do that's one of the things that the ego or the shadow aspect of the ego uh is always trying to avoid is seeing itself because it's almost like it can't the glimpse itself it's like it's too much to bear yeah not even just because of judgment as in i'm not good looking enough or i didn't i don't have enough money or none of those things it's like it literally can't bear to glimpse itself so it always will continue to create these masks of some kind and as soon as it might even start to glimpse itself and usually that happens by way of reflection usually it's somebody bringing something up or we see something in somebody that we really don't like like uh you know the way people react to Fauci or Gates or something like that if you're reactive there's some part of them that's in you that you just can't stand and so it's either a reflection of something you see that you don't like or directly somebody is bringing something up or showing you something or mirroring back to you something that you really can't stand so as the that part of the ego glimpses itself then what it's what was being presented just morphs into something else so there you'll see your uh violent criminal become a born-again christian or you'll see your your fat obese um pizza swelling guy turn into a bodybuilding steroid junkie it's the same part that could never glimpse itself just with a different mask one's obese one's a bodybuilder you know one's a criminal one's a born-again christian or a spiritual leader so the it's funny because to me the the most spiritually advanced people are the plainest people you just wouldn't pick it they don't wear like eagle feathers and um and garbs and say certain words in a certain tone of voice or anything like that they're the most unassuming people but they just have a resonance that um you know when you see it or feel it uh again i'm not telling saying that that's just the truth i'm just saying that that's the way i've experienced in my lifetime of uh seeing a lot of those elements also in myself to recognize when i've been lying to myself and the reason the barometer i should say which is therefore the reason that i do know that i am on some path of getting to know myself not that i do completely but i know that i'm on that path is that i no longer feel disempowered around what people consider authority i don't feel nervous around women i don't feel um undeserving of love or affection or attention from women which i did at one point um i don't um i don't fear anyone coming to knock at my door i don't see anybody is having more power over me than i would give them um i feel very comfortable with myself out in nature as in i don't feel like i'm going to my back for tigers and snakes and what if i step over that log will there be a spider bite me or anything like that you know so i feel that the barometer is how comfortable are you with life not comfort in the bad way where you're avoiding doing any work comfort is in whatever life gives me i'm okay with it and that means we don't hold the fears that inadvertently often attract to things that we don't want like a lot of people go what if what if it collapsed and there was no fuel they fear that because they don't know their own value that therefore if they hold that value they never have to worry about something like that because they'll always be able to get around they'll always have food they'll always have shelter because that stuff isn't innately attracted to value but not necessarily to money they're different things so knowing thyself is also knowing by value which means you don't fear collapse you don't feel floods you don't fear uh military or you don't fear mandatory vaccines which doesn't mean you have to get it anyway you don't fear governments do you know what i mean yeah but that to me is the barometer of knowing myself so i know that i am on that path but i don't i know that i'm also not fully realized if that makes sense yeah yeah it's almost like as you were saying that i was thinking like almost like the biological manifestation of that is almost our nervous system in a way you know yeah yeah oh yeah for sure that can't lie either like the body the autonomic nervous system can't lie you know you don't have control over the involuntary reactions that don't go to the brain first and that's your yeah i agree i think that's a good way to look at [Speaker 2] (43:51 - 45:12) it and again this goes back to what you were saying joel before around like thinking about the definition of self-esteem which is the having the competence to deal with life's basic challenges and again your nervous system is going to highlight for you how you navigate life's basic challenges you know someone can drop like a a glass bottle next to you and it can break and then that can throw you for a loop you know because your nervous system isn't very regulated and your rest of your day could be horrible or for another person it could happen you might have that initial instinctual thing but then you're able to regulate easily same thing for if there's floods going on you know some people have resilience they you know they'll have the experience they're not bypassing it but then they can okay what's the next thing they can stay in the place where they're connected to their neocortex and they can think rationally and they could go okay tom what's going on what are we going to do next okay we have seven hours to handle this as opposed to like running around like like with your like with your head cut off like screaming you know not saying that those are people's realities and i understand that but again having that competence having a regulated nervous system where things can happen and you can respond appropriately which is whatever the situation is can you respond appropriately and the more you know yourself the more you have access to more parts of you the more resilient you are you can be more successful at life in that regards yeah it's [Speaker 1] (45:12 - 48:23) like tom said knowing knowing your value right knowing your values knowing your competence to deal these things to deal with these things when they come up so you're no longer on in this anxious rattled state of fearing what could happen next because you realize inherently i'm comfortable in my confidence to deal with reality now you know yeah yeah yeah absolutely it's like in you guys familiar with mixed martial arts a little bit and stuff like if if you want to if you see the guys that are really good they're comfortable anywhere they're comfortable in a clinch they're comfortable in close range they're comfortable at long range they're comfortable on the ground they're comfortable against the cage when you're comfortable in any situation you know you can handle it you don't fear any situation so you can be a lot more creative you don't talk you don't test up because you fear being taken down so you're like what if i get pinned down for the rest of the round i can't get up that kind of thing or i don't i fear the clinch you know you you're comfortable anywhere which means that you won't actually usually end up in the positions that you may fear and to me knowing myself is also being closer to your source of creation whether you call that god or the creator or universal life force energy whatever you want to call it to me knowing myself is getting closer and closer to that and if you think about what the opposing energy of that is it's the deceiver and the deceiver is where fear lies fear is often a deception in itself so then for me like knowing myself knowing my value is getting closer to the source creation where it's absolute value and there it's the complete absence of fear because it's from the light itself whereas the darkness the darker aspect is that one of it's it's just the deception you know being deceived by things that aren't really necessarily real uh worrying about things that have never even occurred and then those sorts of things attract to us these negative potentialities that we end up not liking and then we can develop a victim state of being mindset mentality around things and that's hugely disempowering yeah well i mean the antithesis to self-knowledge is ignorance right and to me ignorance is this primordial darkness you know and you talk about being closer to the creator of course because you have more options even if you think about the mma scenario when you're comfortable in all those positions you have more options you have more moves to go to you have more creativity available to you because you've decided to know you've chosen to know as opposed to being ignorant to what's possible within yourself and about your external environment too absolutely well said it gives options it gives options you know it's like gives you choice and most people are paralyzed thinking that they have to do or there's a mandate for this i've got to do it's like no you don't it's all an offer so when you realize you have more choice then you just become more free in nature it's all it's always like that paradox the more free in nature you are the better life just becomes the more you uh button down and and tighten up and fear stuff the more you're actually just seeing that and experiencing that in your life so um yeah dude well you know [Speaker 2] (48:23 - 49:36) you see that yeah you see this from a somatic standpoint too i mean you think about the concept of armoring you talked about like tightening up like there's a rigidity that's going on that is representative in a person's psyche as well so again like if you don't think there's a choice it's because you don't have access to that other side of you there's no way to hold space for the tension of opposites that exists within you where you actually can hold two opposing points of view and then ultimately come to make a decision as opposed to like you're not standing on two feet you're just standing on one on one foot because that's all you think is possible you're not aware of what exists on the other side you're not aware of the wisdom of what's in the shadow you can say that's stored in the body in that excess tension you know that is repressed for for the myriad of reasons that could have happened trauma how you were raised what your mom said what your priest said what your teacher said whatever the case may be so again this this process of awakening is moving from an armored place to a more resilient soft supple place fluid flexible and body mind and spirit so again whatever gets thrown at you you're almost like a martial artist where you're like you're using that energy and you're like as opposed to like it's just smattering you in the face and you don't even know what's happening yeah but now now you look at the [Speaker 1] (49:36 - 49:47) metaphor of neo in the matrix right things slowed down for him right yeah i love that metaphor you're on fire there you're asking if you should just cut that section out and post that [Speaker 2] (49:48 - 50:02) you know what i think i might i really we had this conversation uh with david when we had him on david had a couple zingers joel had some zingers and they were just saying that to each other yeah uh it's awesome i was i [Speaker 1] (50:02 - 51:14) was thinking the same thing though bro you should yeah you need to pay your eyes all right awesome i have my moments i gotta keep up with you two legends oh man i i i i love it though because everything that we're discussing it's a microsome of the macrosome it's for example something that's been going on for me this obviously this whole pandemic process i mean i've been heavily targeted here in wollongong by the local cops for a number of reasons um they're on my social media you mean etc etc i'm the only person getting fined for not wearing a mask in crown street mall stuff like that um but it got to a point for me where i'm like i have to learn how to deal with this what choice they're giving me absolutely no choice whatsoever than to you mean become more empowered in an area of my life which i probably wouldn't have chosen to become empowered with if this circumstance didn't happen you know i mean so i figured out the tools the knowledge and the ways to go about it where i'm i'm empowered and i'm no longer concerned and i no longer feel at the mercy of this force because i was ignorant of learning and choosing to know how to deal with it now i know how to deal with it and so i'll have that flexibility and you know i can walk to the shops and be like [Speaker 2] (51:14 - 52:33) fuck you all now yeah yeah you know it's the difference between facing reality or evading reality you know what i mean where life happens and going okay this is what's happening right now what am i going to do about it you know and this is again when you bring up the term of spiritual bypassing is that there are events that occur in a person's life and then they just like you know push them away with these lofty spiritual concepts and ideas as opposed to really engaging with what's happening it's like like let me use for an example like someone experiences like a sexual abuse or something of that nature and it's like that's a real thing that happened you know it's okay to feel all the feelings that go along with it as opposed to the person who like the next day just like detaches and goes everything happens for a reason you know in that like voice you know it's okay i get it on a deeper level there's the lesson there but it's like you're allowed to have the feelings about what just happened you know and and deal with them and face them and then ultimately what this is all about is awaking the hero within and and taking ownership and taking responsibility and feeling the the the multi-dimensional nature of all these feelings but still acting you know with integrity with action to do what needs to be done yeah well to tie in that you're asking [Speaker 1] (52:33 - 55:01) was with uh what you're talking about earlier is in well your question joel of why would they manipulate the weather and what why do they have this kind of um yeah why do they have these agendas well for me if you're talking about the hero's journey they show that over and over and over in every story uh tv show film it's always shown so that people vicariously feel this thing of becoming the hero and awakening but never actually awakening because they don't go through it they experience vicariously the hero's journey but then they go to the the quickie mart and get a donut and then they go take some drugs or go get drunk and then they go watch another tv show and then they go to work for somebody else for something they don't like to do so this is that thing of never really essentially stepping into ourselves and there are so many ways that we will avoid or vicariously experience it and therefore think that we have experienced the real thing and uh that's what they do they offer you opportunities yeah they offer you studio opportunities to experience it i mean we were talking about this just before like there was a while there man where like i was one of the best plays in australia nba 2k on ps3 or 4 i can't remember what it was now you know i felt i felt my self-esteem was high i was the master of this universe you know but at the end of the day it was just like me vicariously thinking that i'm creating value in a world which really has no value um but they offer these are the gateways that they offer you to avoid your the real work and the real hero's journey and i mean to me this is such an important concept to me because the idea of heroism it's so it's so lost in our society today you know i mean of an individual living a life going through the trials the tribulations the underworld cycles and coming at the other side as an empowered being as the hero of of his own story his own journey this is something i really want everyone to nail in and look at that like those little dreams those inner dreams those inner passions those inner desires that you had growing up and as a child all that really is possible and tangible to you you know but what's in the way is your refusal to actually deal with reality and deal with the shadow deal with the insecurities deal with the inauthenticity deal with all the 30 years of hedonism that you've that you've accumulated now and to come out the other side as someone who's learned these lessons and now is capable of fulfilling those desires you know i just want to go i want to go back to what [Speaker 2] (55:01 - 56:13) you said tom you brought up such a great point and it's something that i've spoken about often even during um you know the last two years and the beginning of everything happening people were you know they'll talk about hollywood and but there's good elements of hollywood and they'll bring up these movies like braveheart and this and that which again there's some positive elements but i actually commented on that was like well people just they'll just go into the movie or they'll sit on their couch and they'll have the experience of being the mel gibson character or whatever and feel all that but like you said like they could just say the words of freedom and this that or the other but what are they doing when they when they turn up the tv you know how are they living when you know they have to go into a store and they're too afraid to even say hey you know i'm not gonna wear a mask or i'm not gonna do x y and z so they can sit there and watch these movies and and feel like they they're embodying this and yet in the day-to-day life what what are they doing you know and i i take first responsibility for me as well i'm not sitting here like i'm some like like 100 badass like handling every situation as a hero but there's fuel you know you know food for thought there and learning yeah and it's the same when people go to [Speaker 1] (56:13 - 57:01) rallies and they're just chanting freedom and stuff and it's like those words actually mean nothing and unless you're if not only do they mean nothing quite often they're actually doing more harm than good because they're giving away their energy and power to something that they don't yet understand and if they only were just working on being good to their neighbor and uh or looking after the earth or creating value they would actually be doing more for their own freedom than going and and begging for something from like a parliament house or uh something to that effect you know it's like it's i did a video where i said it's like chanting health while just you know glugging coke at the same time health health health it's just they're they're uh opposite ends of the spectrum to each other and can actually do more harm than good there's never just a neutral [Speaker 2] (57:01 - 58:05) exchange of energy or value yeah or or even like you said be good to your neighbor but how about just being good to yourself how about like speaking yourself how about going after you go to these rallies not then going to the local pub and getting drunk you know what i mean how about like going you know taking care of yourself knowing what your body needs what your mind your mind needs in order to move closer towards being whatever that best version of yourself is that you dream about you know so i think that's what's lost in this and this is what happens sometimes when people get swallowed up by crowd consciousness on both sides you know they're ignoring what needs what they need to do they're ignoring what they see when they look in the mirror because it's easier for individual consciousness to just get lost in this this ideal you know like going around holding a sign up or you know being with 5 000 people i'm not saying there isn't a place for that but at the end of the day you know you're with yourself how do you think about yourself what do you say to yourself what do you do yourself those are super super important and the foundation yeah man but [Speaker 1] (58:05 - 1:05:18) it's also i totally agree and there is a place for it all which i always say as well but part of the reason people flock to it is so they feel like they're doing something without actually doing anything it's that it's that um because they feel so indisempowered that's why they jump at the chance to do it because it feels like something's being achieved even though it's not although something is being achieved i just don't feel people are aware of what that actually is and it's not to their benefit it's to the yeah there's there's a lot i've still got a live stream plan i keep talking about that i'm going to like speak about why where the energy goes and for what purpose and how that's set up before they even get there and how it's usually coded into the memory of the waters that are in these places and then funnily enough you know weeks later you get a rainbow over places like this so um yeah it's just little things that probably people wouldn't even comprehend anyway but it's the same as the movie example they watch the movies to feel like they're braveheart but don't do anything in real life and because they're not doing anything in real life not because they don't want to maybe they just don't know how that they're not people aren't inherently stupid or bad people or lazy they just might inherently still be a kid like i'd love to build a cubby house but i don't know what to use do you use hammers do you use nails i don't have those how do you even use them if i did have them so then they just do what feels like doing something which is going to a rally so it's coming from the right place like i'm not i don't necessarily i don't i don't want to be seen like i'm putting people down for doing these things but knowing myself is not lying to oneself and it's lying to oneself to think that you're achieving what you think you're achieving by going to rallies and holding signs and stamping your feet and yelling at scomo for being a wanker it just it doesn't achieve anything and it actually feeds scomo scomo will be sitting there lapping it up he's like give me more give me more yell at me more call me a wanker one more time 10 more times because they know what to do with it they're not dumb people you know these they they know how spells work they know how the magic works they know how it all works and that's why they've got the controlling stake in this realm it's not because they're just evil it's because they're actually kind of smart and they know how this operates whereas most people don't you know and that's why they'll see it in a movie they see in movies what they're capable of we have all of these super powers that's depicted in superman and batman and spider-man and wonder woman and these people that travel through portals to other places that's us that's what we can do they just have the audacity to show it to us and then people go oh that looks great and then go out and buy a hot dog it's just and then and that's all an offer like the people are choosing their own existence it's not like they're forced it's not anything to that effect which is why like i say their only real fear if you want to call it a fear is that people start to know themselves because that just dissipate their their reign or their existence dissipates as a result you don't have to fight them you don't have to shoot them you don't have to figure them out and hunt them down you have to figure yourself out and as you do that and your inner blockages you get out of your own way and that dissolves so too does that spell that these people cast but it comes down to what we do and not at all what they do yeah for sure man i mean and a big part of it is like reclaiming the the individual self right and people are so accustomed to just believing they're a wishy-washy mix of everybody and everything and every belief and every ideology and there's in this ocean you know but that's what they want they want you to feel disempowered to the point where you think you're a nobody where you think you're the same as everyone else because then it's one noose for many necks right when there's even there's individual selves it's a lot more difficult to control when there's individuals who are empowered on their own individual journeys as opposed to you mean everyone this dumb down state absorbing the same content reading the same information parroting the same things then you mean where it's so much more easier to control like obviously from from from that level and the flip side of all of this as well is that there's many people that um that go to these rallies and whatnot not because for the feeling of empowerment but because there's guilt and they feel there's a sense of obligation oh they have to do something they have to they have to contribute something how are people going to see me otherwise how am i going to be perceived if i didn't do that action you know whereas to me it's like if you're not acting because you want to if you're not acting out of your rational self-interest then there's no point acting at all yeah absolutely you're just you're living out somebody else's um offer or thought pattern and i said that about the don't when people see a uh disaster like what we've seen and i'm just using those words as in if they're familiar to people i don't see it as a disaster in all honesty i see it as a gift despite the loss that has occurred i see it as a massive gift for the community and society in general but at the same time people feel out of guilt that they should donate well i should do something i need to do something i should donate and they do it out of guilt and i keep saying to people because we've opened up donations pages because yes it helps but i say don't donate if you feel that it's out of guilt or necessity it's got to be because you genuinely want this part of uh you that you can kind of have a representation of your energetic do it for that but if you don't feel it's the right thing to do i was told people like don't donate other people are just going everyone donate as much as you can throw us money money money and i'm like it doesn't necessarily solve stuff you know we solve stuff the money doesn't necessarily solve it but it does help in some ways i've actively been telling people if it doesn't feel right don't feel guilty guilt's the worst thing guilt's actually going to do more harm than good so if you don't feel it's the right thing to donate money don't if you're not 100 sure that money is going to go to the right place don't do it or if you don't feel that you even should help don't it's you're not obligated to and you shouldn't feel that you have to man you know you know this as well as i do guilt is the status quo for the majority of people it's it's it simply is you know and there's so many reasons for that so to me like it's ancient like you just even look at the ideology of original sin that that you're born sinful that you carry a guilt which you can never do anything about like what is the state of worthiness of the majority of people that is running under these ideologies and programs and so many people have come and gone lived and died dreams never never even got off the got off the starting point because of this programming which their parents carried for example you know to me it's sad really sad absolutely couldn't agree more yeah it's and but that's the that's the control mechanism as well to tell people that we're born into sin and it'll but that's what kind of way is that to go through life never thinking that you're actually worthy of being here where's your value then yeah so that's how you will sign a life away to the state to um just get benefits of the privilege because that's all you feel you deserve [Speaker 2] (1:05:23 - 1:06:19) yeah talk to us your SMS yeah i'm just enjoying this conversation it's so good to have you back on tom i mean i appreciate everything you say this is really important um you know i've seen some pictures and some videos of what's going on but i i didn't really know the full extent and um i just love that what you're saying about how the community come comes together um i guess my question that i have is observing i mean you've touched on it a little bit before but like what do you see like in these individual conscious in these people like are there certain people that you think that you didn't expect would just like step up that stepped up and then other people that you thought would and then they kind of crumble under the responsibility i know you commented a little bit but maybe if you want to go into that like what happens in interpersonal dynamics and communication when something like this something so unexpected occurs [Speaker 1] (1:06:20 - 1:13:18) i do think so actually yeah uh i've been surprised by how well some people have just been like let's just get the job done and haven't wallowed around you know this is i can't handle this and other people have done the opposite so uh you know what's the most interesting thing though is that you know how you're asking what's happening you know there's floods there's cleanup needed there's some death over here there's some mud over there that's just like the the the scene so imagine it's a film like the scene is set that's the establishing shot but what's really going on is so fascinating because what you've got is amongst all the cleanup and stuff now you've got infiltration so now you've got all these groups some of the government agents some of the community double agents that are here to intentionally uh thwart our community efforts you've got you've got the um zionist agenda billionaire people who fund the quote-unquote environmental and community groups like resilient byron that are set up purely to support the new world order under the guise of being a community and they're the ones that eat their way into some of these positions of saying what should happen and then what you've got is like the tower's been decommissioned on purpose and then guess what people were relying upon and currently are in some pockets to actually get comms going have a guess i don't know starlink lost starlink boxes and that and then people are willingly taking it not everybody but these do-gooders that have come in they've gone well here's the solution look these lies were saved because of starlink and then oh oh hello starlink and stuff and it's just and it's you couldn't write this stuff it's like it's amazingly fascinating to see the levels that are happening where this infiltration is happening and it's this constant eons old uh battle if you want to call it that of the the light and the dark the good and the evil deceivers in there and it's so cool it's like this is the movie the hero's journey all playing out and when you said are you seeing in people some are rising to the occasion some aren't you're seeing the hero's journey at play just not on a screen it's in like reality right in front of you and it could be more interesting and it gives somebody like me a real sense of uh real purpose for it so for me one of the first things i was doing was looking at how i could help uh with rescues i'm one of those people that can easily just have a look at what's going on i don't care if somebody's pissing blood out of an artery i don't care if there's water running down that hill i can just kind of you know certain people are designed for things like emergency work or life saving or whatever because you know other people they see you skateboarding down a hill with a banana and like freaking out what are you gonna do you know they can't handle it because they can't do that so they think you're doing something really dangerous and you shouldn't hold a banana while you're skateboarding down a hill meanwhile you could probably be doing that on your hands with a baby on your feet and you'd be fine you know so there's these different levels of how we perceive what's dangerous and what's not and what we're capable of doing safely and so i've gone from doing some of the help in that to then helping clean up like helping people uh just clean up just general hands-on stuff as well as helping to organize some things behind the scenes as well as helping with uh monetary fundraising and getting that going uh organizing uh private helicopter charters and that to help get rescue missions done and but as this is all playing out i'm stepping more and more back like i was totally unavailable to do anything over the last couple of weeks but now it's important to get some of the messaging out which is why i'm of more value now to be doing stuff like talking to you guys than i am cleaning somebody's house because in reality everyone's got the same pair of hands well except for you know you know what i mean in general everyone's got the same two parents same pair of hands it doesn't take a special breed of individual to grab a bloody mop and a broom and just clean a floor you know every single person in society can do that but not every person in the community can do this and not everyone can uh discern what's going on at these levels and work to to make sure that things aren't you know going awry because they don't get it you know what i mean so this is the type of time where there's a real ability now if people are willing to seize it to not feel guilty like i could very well feel guilty about not going and cleaning more houses right now it might seem like oh what are you so important what you just want to like sit in a in your house and on a laptop and do that like get out and clean someone's house do you know what i mean yep some people could have that mentality because they'll have this feeling that they're not doing enough and that you should actually only be getting if you're not covered in mud and sweat you did not provide value today but the astute person will learn to discern anyone can do that job not anyone can discern what's going on at these deeper levels and work to protect the community from there so as each day passes i'm doing less and less out in the field although i'm still out in the field i'm doing less and less there and more starting to work into these deeper levels where only a few people have the ability to do work there whereas everybody has the ability to do work on the street you know what i mean yeah yeah dude it's a very sorry you're asking us it's a very communistic perspective to expect that everyone has to do the same thing and everyone offers the same value when it's simply the fact that that we don't whatsoever you know what i mean so i don't think it's expected i i think it's i don't think society expects it i think the individual does i think people feel like you guys mentioned before i think people feel individually guilty about um you know riding in a helicopter and doing that sort of stuff but not many people can do that that's like a job that only some people can fulfill so then you got to leave the cleanup to the people that that's their main purpose they don't have a higher value than that but in saying that riding in a helicopter doing film work or doing interviews or um thwarting new world order agendas behind the scenes is not more valuable than the one on the street doing the street work i'm just saying that when you find the place that you have the most value it doesn't make it more valuable than somebody else it doesn't make you as an individual more valuable than someone else necessarily you could probably argue to the contrary but i just wanted to make a point that uh the guilt can also lead to skewed when you come out of guilt the other end of it can be skewed uh versions of like i'd never pick up a broom i'm too important for for cleaning mud i'm a this i'm an influencer i don't do that i take [Speaker 2] (1:13:18 - 1:14:23) selfies well again this comes back down to self-knowledge it comes back to knowing that there's a time and a place and what i said before about the more you have access to if the situation calls for you to pick up a a broom or a shovel or whatever you can handle it now the situation is hey and i'm just going to speak for you i'm tom barnett and you know i i know what i know and i have the opportunity because i know these these uh these gents i'm going to get on here i'm going to talk about the value of self-knowledge and personal responsibility and what's going on and the lessons that are being learned during this entire process and and how i reframe this experience and how that can help educate people for anything like this happening in the future like and and you know thousands of people listening to this like there's extreme value in that and knowing that that you can do that you know and then if tomorrow comes and you're like i gotta pick up a broom then i'm gonna pick up a broom you know so again it comes down to self-knowledge and discerning and knowing where best to use your energy well said yeah i mean unless like unless you know [Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:26:06) yourself and you know what you value you can't prioritize those values either you know so 100 percent um i echo that so tom like what to you is how can people move forward what would your message be what are what are the tom's solutions here in our town you mean like in our community yeah in your community well what i would this is what i would like to say i mean what the reality is of where people are at and what's happening it's a matter of just dropping any kind of victim mentality it's about realizing that something happened there's cause there's effect i mean even choosing to live on a flood plain is accepting some responsibility that at some point in time your house may flood like that's that's that's consent right there buying into a flood plain is but we're very short-sighted as human beings you know like you see um you know a volcano might erupt and then it's a week later or oh like a shark attack like we have this regularly happen massive shark is seen three meter wide pointer clears then clears the lineup for the day but the next day or two days later there's 30 people out then 50 people out again because you just humans just innately like that if there's immediate danger we're aware as soon as it's like not right in front of our eyes we're like yeah i'll just go walk up that volcano i'll just go surf that point right that i know there's usually sharks out and then i'll just you know there was a flood five years ago yeah i'll just buy into this flood plain do you know what i mean like we just do that it's not putting people down it's just observing what we do as human beings but by doing so we consent so it means that if there's a flood there we can't really turn around and go oh well everyone should donate to me so i can replace all my stuff when they chose to live in a flood plain because it's closer to the shops you know what i mean like there's there's levels of responsibility here that need to be taken it doesn't mean of course that we don't have compassion for our neighbor and we won't help them out but if we want to avoid things in the future repeating as they will unless we learn the lessons we have to look at what we've created for ourselves otherwise it will repeat so there's this level of responsibility that needs to be accepted and looked at there's also dropping any which ties into dropping any kind of victim mentality around what happened the ability to lose the bindings like are you bound by your possessions you know like what how are you bound by those and and your beliefs about things for example can you accept that there was weather engineering yes or no if you can't you're likely going to have to learn a hard lesson in the future if you can accept it well then that's an offer to start learning more about uh the way of the world and how you can affect that how do you have a positive influence on things like chem trials for example so there's so much here ideally for me it's about completely recreating allowing what was washed away to be washed away and not trying to rebuild that again because for me if that gets cleansed right imagine the cleansing is the traumas within us and they get cleansed out and then we just go well i want to put that one back in and that one back in that one back in why would you do that so for me if people want donations to be given so they can fill another flat screen tv back into their house reconnect their netflix fill their cupboard up with wheat bix and other stuff again i don't see the point in it i would rather people go that was cleansed for a reason why what is it that we need to do what how can we create something better than what was rather than trying to replace what could ostensibly be the reason that the waters came you know so that's what i would like to see it's probably not what will happen so the i would say the first thing that i said which was just dropping a victim mentality looking for some responsibility and then looking for ways to be resilient to the future such as being prepared next time things like cb radios and ham radios for communication so we're not relying on telstra or elon musk or something like that you know how can the community sort its own communications out how can the community sort its own supply chain out all that kind of stuff i think is the more tangible short-term solution that i would like to see all said i love a man i mean i'm i'm i'm optimistic uh that possibility for sure you know because i mean just generally again i mean i'm using a reference point of you mean the last two years that have taken place you know people have taken steps they have taken action they are willing to adjust based on knowledge you know one being that governments are psychopathic and if in any way your reliance upon them then you're subdued to coercion and force so i'm quite optimistic that people can take advantage of the opportunity to build something new build something more efficient build something more secure as a result of what's going on and i hope that that is the case yeah i totally agree but that's also coming back to the if the individual's responsibility to become self-realized but as a community you achieve a lot more you know that collective spirit it's very good for that and allows people to step into it definitely man and like the other thing that i would add to you know the whole idea that you mean okay i'm buying in a flood plane there was a sharky yesterday but i'm gonna go go surf there particularly referencing new ageism again people adopt this mentality of magical thinking you mean like oh it's never gonna happen to me because you mean i i just think positively about it i'm special i am who i am so to me i can evade the facts of reality to some level because i'm spiritually superior and whatnot i mean i think that definitely would play a part into it as well yeah i'm not really observing a lot of that but i definitely agree and i think it's it's certainly there uh there's i mean i i honestly think though that we do have a symbiotic relationship with the weather that we bring the weather i really feel that they're everything is in complete concert with us and when we have fear and doubt and um we don't connect to that creation source i think that um you know we're often humbled by things like weather events whereas i don't necessarily see them needing to occur when there's balance so for me when it buckets rain and things flood that's not balance balance is it rains it waters the soil the plants grow the animals feed we can water our gardens and then and it's dry and then it's wet and it's dry and it's wet that's like balance yeah so to me when it's like a long extended drought or a huge amount of water to me that's out of balance and so then then i asked well why like what part of us resonates well i did a video where i can't turn it on now but i did a video where i showed how we uh we are electromagnetism everything in the world and in our realm runs on electromagnetism so we have a great influence on things around us as far as the electromagnetism is concerned like plasma reacts directly to us our energetic field and our touch if you use like one of these things which i use in my video which is a plasma ball wherever you put your finger the plasma arcs to the finger and you don't even have to touch it you just put your palm near and it starts to light up around it which means that we affect the electromagnetism in the realm around us collectively if we're resonating at a certain whatever you want to call it frequency spectrum whatever vibration then naturally then everything's going to be in a relationship to that you know so we can technically bring the weather indigenous cultures throughout the world like native americans australians anyone that i've ever heard of say that they will go to a sacred spot and then they won't do like a new age version of like it bang a drum and la la la la la like light a feather on fire and just like you know get high on something they literally just go there they dream they set the intention which is pretty much instantaneous and then through the dreaming they bring the rains or the or whatever it is right and there's a lot of story about that throughout many different places that you can find it and what i think is this when there's the man-made interference element so you've got your chemtrails your geoengineering your cloud seeding that's all man-made the creative creative man anything that man creates is inferior to the creation work we're made in the creation's image and then what man makes is usually a uh well when there's a good intention pure creative intention behind it it's of course it's great but when there's deception behind it or nefarious intention behind it well it's not as powerful as the creation source what i mean by that is if we turn our back and we disconnect from the creation source because of the deceiver because of fear like we're talking about before because now we're fixated on what man's doing well now we come under the jurisdiction or the power of the offer of man such as cloud seeding but if we just like literally just go well i don't consent to that because not only because i just don't consent to it because i'm connected to a higher source power then our source power can actually have more of an effect on that man-made part that man-made element that had a lower frequency or vibration or energy that was put out for those reasons which means that i believe i can't prove it but i believe that all the cloud seeding that happens because people see it and they give it power they go oh look they're cloud seeding oh no this is so bad oh those people suck there is so evil we're going to have a massive weather event i believe that we partly cause that because my understanding of the way things work is that if enough people just saw it and went well we don't consent to that and at the same time is not consenting that connect directly to the sun the source energy to to strengthen and solidify that bond well then that no longer has any power but while you disconnect from that because you fear that well now you're giving that thing power like we're talking about earlier the thing that you don't want is the thing that you will attract and bring into your your life so well i can't necessarily prove that directly that's my understanding of how things work and because we'll forecast for two other rainbombs here that never came i can tell you that i know that myself and a lot of other people were working on exactly that principle and there's also people who have devices like cloud busters that were operating those as well so who knows what did what we'll never know but um i won't stop doing that because that's my understanding of how i can have an effect being made in the creator's image and having dominion in this realm i firmly believe that i have more power over men man's nefarious creations but not more power than nature itself yeah there's there's an underlying principle here which i haven't verbalized on this podcast for a while erasmus as above as above so below so without but right it's all it's all it's all a reflection ultimately um so interesting that you went through that dialogue just then another little synchronicity someone recently just asked me um on instagram she said there's they're spraying and manipulating the weather constantly where i am i fear going outside how can i possibly have joy or happiness if i'm scared if i don't ever want to go outside and breathe because they're literally spraying you mean so so much [Speaker 2] (1:26:07 - 1:27:11) you know i again you brought up the matrix before it just makes me think of like when all the bullets started coming at him at the end he's just like peace like you know we go we go outside and we see everything that's happening and all these nefarious activities and it's just like there is a part of me that's like just put my hand up i'm gonna live my life and and live how i believe i should live and and again it goes back to i'm gonna control what i control and there's some things well i guess you know if we're using your jedi tricks you can't control that too but you know what i mean like generally speaking i'm gonna put my energy on on my day-to-day the things that i can control as opposed to like worrying about what these these architects of control are are doing behind the scenes you know it doesn't mean i i'm not interested in that i definitely have an investigative mind i'm curious about it but do i allow it to like consume me and do i allow fear and worry and anger to be the the default state that i'm in and i choose not to and this kind of reverse yeah this [Speaker 1] (1:27:11 - 1:27:50) kind of reverts back also to that earlier conversation we had about you know quote unquote normie's perhaps feeling of more worth than you mean i guess conspiracy theorists or whatever because if you're in this constant state of fearing everything overly skeptical you mean i can't walk outside i can't touch my phone i can't you know i mean do whatever like what's the impact that's actually having on your life if now all of a sudden you're in a state where you fear reality altogether you know like you're not you you have to be of the world at the end of the day none of us can escape that you know so yeah choose to know what you know but ultimately what's the best and most optimal way to live with that knowledge as opposed to using it [Speaker 2] (1:27:50 - 1:28:21) to completely disconnect you from life altogether yeah for sure and again this like even you know we had melissa sell on and you know i'm a fan of germany medicine germanic healing knowledge like what's the state of your psyche you know how are you thinking about things like if you're worried all the time if you have all these internal conflicts that are going on over everything how's that going to impact your health your body's always going to be adapting to that and then you're going to have to go to go through a healing process and healing phase after that so it's like if you're in a state of equilibrium in a state of balance you know that how is that going to [Speaker 1] (1:28:21 - 1:31:46) showcase show up in your health overall yeah yep and it's i think it works on two levels too so the overt sign is the chemtrail right and so it's almost like imagine that they just hung like halloween pumpkins up all around and every time you see one you're like oh you see another one like oh like that is dictating and controlling the state of being of the individual it's only an offer you don't have to react like that you could go oh look a pumpkin you could be super excited about it and because that doesn't disempower you are now resonating at a much stronger more vibrant and harmonious frequency which means you're of much higher value to yourself and to the world and affecting your immediate environment very strongly the second part of that is that not only by taking control of the offer and you determining the outcome that's that catch-22 where therefore you do control the outcome whereas if you are disempowered by it they control the outcome so with the chemtrails those chemicals technically speaking are harmful to human tissue however that's only based on like you you uh kind of alluded to erasmus is this whole element of how do you feel about something we're deep heavy binding emotions like fear and guilt and remorse and uh things like being um resentful they actually bind to heavy metals specific types like they each emotion has a binding capacity to the energetics of something else that's physical so if we go out and we're like fearing i can't even breathe i fear going outside guess who's going to be more affected by anything that lands around is that person but the individual who goes out and just goes i don't consent to that but it doesn't fill their heart with fear well then instead of the deceiver being there they're actually more realized the creation energy is there which is way more powerful than a piece of strontium or barium as in way more powerful you know like you think about a volcano that'll recycle anything you think about that kind of fire energy of the creation like that that particle of um chemtrail doesn't stand a chance and the other thing that people don't necessarily think about is they go well how could putting my hand up and saying i don't consent to a chemtrail that i see it's still there that didn't do anything and it's like well didn't it how do you know that because people know you know the butterfly effect or the ripple effect or whatever you don't know that putting out an intention such as a prayer at night before you go to bed like a kid that prays before they go to sleep how do you know that that didn't affect someone in africa or someone in america or something like that like you have no idea but being disempowered by the the thought of not being able to believe it because you can't see it play out immediately in front of you prevents you from doing something as powerful as prayer so my suggestion to people is always if you see something you don't consent to even if you don't see it disappear in the instant you must still put that out there because if you don't what are you doing you're agreeing to it you're consenting to it if you see it and you don't like it but you don't voice that natural law says you agree to it and therefore you'll come under its spell rather than being the one that just goes nope not having that yeah i like that for sure [Speaker 2] (1:31:47 - 1:33:54) even just the simple fact of like having a core belief that my body is this amazing self healing machine you know that has the capacity to regenerate and adapt to certain things and versus you know someone who goes out and like has a chocolate piece of chocolate cake and then beats themselves up for you know 20 minutes as opposed to just like eating the chocolate cake with your friends and being like oh i'm so blessed and i i'm alive right now and i could have this chocolate cake you know i'm not gonna have it all the time but maybe i'm gonna have it once you know there's that you know we i think all of us you know we're into health and wellness we're in the health field and we see that people who freak out like they're so super super healthy i put that in quotes where they worry about everything like well i can't have glue and i can't have this and i can't do this and i can't do that and i can't do that and it's just like and i you know i used to be that way like 15 to 10 15 years ago well maybe not exactly like that but i was definitely more of like the food police with myself and with others he's still that way with grandma though with who grandma oh grammar yeah i definitely am like spelling grammar punctuation uh freak at times but um it's for your own good no but but you know what i mean like i'm sure you you work with so many people around health and nutrition and it's like you know i think back to you know my some of my ancestors in greece that lived to be over 100 years old like they also didn't even they weren't eating the like they probably didn't eat some days but they lived to a certain age they weren't they didn't even know well first of all they didn't have like electromagnetic frequencies and to that degree and all that but they weren't worrying about it all day you know they were enjoying their time with family and connection connected to the land and some of them were smoking and drinking and they still live to be over and i'm not saying people should go out there and smoke and drink but it just goes to show you that there isn't this one size fits all there are 40 50 year olds that eat healthy and work out all the time and then end up dying for whatever reason and there are people who live to be over 100 years old and they're eating you know they're eating greens and they're they're drinking and and they're having the occasional smokes so anyways i just want to share that but feel free to comment you know i totally agree we do that i do that with [Speaker 1] (1:33:54 - 1:36:53) people who i can tell are too overly intellectual and bound by their diet they're like am i doing it right am i right today because if i don't get it right what are you you're wrong so now it comes in the judgment and the and the shame and the guilt it's so it's so bad for you and uh just the ability to be relaxed but without being like um without being uh apathetic as you know i'm just so relaxed so i'll just eat donuts all day because they don't do anything that's not what we're saying so yeah i just i concur that in in a clinical sense from dealing with many many people with in from things just like your general health conditions to psychological and emotional uh binding conditions that are tied to food and eating and eating disorders and weight issues and inflammatory issues and autoimmune conditions what you just said is literally played out in basically 100% of clinical cases so yeah and just to tie this all in you mean the with the chemtrail analogy and what we're talking about now if there was a perpetrator that intentionally wanted to cause harm upon you you mean so you can almost be in a state of self-harm the number one way that they're going to do that is through fear like at the end of the day regardless of the 5g regardless of the chemtrails regardless of the fluoride fear is their ultimate weapon first and foremost and i think once we conquer that then i like your analogy we kind of we don't we're no longer agreeing to it because i think fear in essence is is is confirming that offer is taking on that contract is giving our approval we're saying okay i am worried about that you mean that's an issue to me so yeah that's it it's one of those things it's uh it's like a process of waking up you might say is they the people that make these offers they don't really care that people find out about it because they win either way up until a certain point like let's just say fluoride they put fluoride out into the water supplies they win because people are just you know becoming fluoridated they also win when people find out that that was going on and what fluoride really is because people get angry at it and they try to fight it and they resist it and then they fear what else is going on they fear what's been in their body for so long so they're winning they're winning either way when they don't win is when people just go oh yeah fluoride no thanks yeah as in no no uh no binding to it they're not bound by the emotion to it they're completely separate they just go hey i know fluoride do you want some no thanks yep and that's it as soon as you're like that then you're free that's freedom yeah but until you're there they still own you whether you know about it or not yeah i agree man tom closing question and i want you to answer this as succinctly as you possibly can what is the number one lesson you have ever learned in your life [Speaker 3] (1:37:00 - 1:37:05) uh to love what was that to love [Speaker 1] (1:37:07 - 1:39:16) i'm still learning it all the time every time i learn that lesson over and over again i'm like that's awesome what yes powerful man what what is love well that's the thing i mean how do you even describe that so it's it's that the way i mean when i say to love it's to be it's to love life it's to be part of it which means loving all of it it's like if i've had adversity or i've lost something or i've been wrong about something or whatever it is is to love and then i find that i'm in that and it's the teaching and not the binder and then it frees me so for me it's to love including myself you know all that stuff beautiful bro tom love the way you think always a pleasure to to share these conversations and the dynamic that goes on when the three of us have these chats absolutely okay what what what without guilt and without obligation without resentment what what can people do to help the situation where would you direct them if they wanted to yeah if they want to um you can go to aussiehelpinghands.com.au that's the one where they're accepting it's very transparent and it's all private it's not like a go fund me or whatever which is kind of crap it's all done privately aussiehelpinghands.com.au and there's also floodsrecovery2022.com and that's just connecting people who want to help as in physically or provide something with people who need it so i think those two sites have been set up locally by the communities and um if people want to help then for sure love it man um bro thank you so much for being here thank you for making the time i know you're under a lot of pressure you're doing a lot at the moment so it's very much so appreciated guys thank you so much for listening and let's do let's have part three one time for sure sounds good yeah i'm keen for sure all right brother thank you man peace smoking mirrors i'm seeing through the illusion waking up in the time they think you're in a delusion somebody set the alarms to save you two busy snooze and i'm in a delirium