Dr. Barre Lando Surfing Planes of Consciousness

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 1:12) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. What's up everyone? We got another episode for you. My name is Yerasimos, got my co-host Joel Rafiti here, and really excited to bring this awesome episode to you. Our focus really is about having really dynamic, amazing conversations. We called it Here for the Truth for a reason. We're here for it. We want to really bring you the brightest, most innovative thinkers in the truth, health, freedom movement, and keep moving forward in life. Just want to remind you as well, we have our final spots remaining for our eight-week group coaching program, Rise Above the Herd. It's probably going to be the last one of the year. Head to riseabovetheherd.co to check out what it's about and to fill out an application. Without further ado, let's bring on Bear. This conversation really went in so many different directions. We talked about Steiner. We talked about different planes of consciousness. We talked about a whole bunch of other stuff. Buckle up and get ready for the ride. [Speaker 3] (1:13 - 2:17) All right, everybody. Welcome to episode 86 of Here for the Truth podcast. As always, we have an amazing guest for you. Today's no different. We have Dr. Bear Lando in the house. He's the founder and formulator for Alpha Vedic. Dr. Bear Lando traveled an eclectic path through athletics and academics to becoming a physician, bioterrain specialist, and permaculture farmer. Dr. Lando is noted amongst his peers for his innovative clinical strategies and developed an international following for people suffering from chronic degenerative conditions, seeking his services as a bioterrain medicine and functional movement specialist. In more recent years, he earned his master gardener and permaculture design certification and presently oversees his off-grid medicinal herb farm while teaching biodynamic farming methods and ionization soil analysis. Now retired from clinical medical practice, he remains active in the internal martial arts, health consulting, creating formulations for his herbal company, and developing innovative medical protocols based on the principles of waveform physics. Dr. Bear Lando, thank you for being here for the truth. [Speaker 1] (2:19 - 2:30) Honored to be with you, gentlemen. Your asthma, I've been with you before. You've been on our podcast. Great to see your shining face again. It's a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for having me. [Speaker 2] (2:30 - 3:15) Yeah, man. Love having you here. Obviously, listening to the bio, I know we left a bunch out, but you've lived such a full life, man. You've done so many amazing things. You've really been an individual. You've really gone off your own path and not really conformed from just a little I know of you and from what I've read about you. I'd just love to hear some of your journey in life. You're at this place now where you've created Alpha Vedic however many years ago. It's just been growing into this beautiful thing, but what led you to it? What were some of those major rites of passage in your life that shifted along the way? Tell us about your hero's journey. [Speaker 1] (3:17 - 3:45) Yeah, good question. I can say no big master game plan. One thing just led to another and here we are. Just to let you guys know, I forgot pre-show that I'm off grid and I'm on a satellite. If it spits us out and if we have any problems, just holler right away and then I'll switch to another modem, but I can always get back on in two seconds. Anyway, to answer your question. [Speaker 2] (3:46 - 3:48) My internet's not great either, so don't worry about it. [Speaker 1] (3:48 - 3:52) Okay. Well, you're in the far off land of Topanga, right? [Speaker 2] (3:52 - 3:54) Yeah, we're deep in Topanga. [Speaker 1] (3:54 - 3:55) We'll see. [Speaker 2] (3:57 - 3:59) You're in the real wilderness. Anyways. [Speaker 1] (4:00 - 7:11) Yeah. I always say it began with sports. I grew up in the country, a rural area, but journeyed into small town school and sports were kind of everything to me. I always had a ball in my hands and I excelled in sports for whatever reason, so I enjoyed them a lot all the way through grammar school and high school and college. When I got into higher level training and athleticism, I really wanted to understand more about the body and more just how to get the competitive edge. I was a little bit more scientific about my training, especially when I got to the college level. Even in high school, I was dabbling around and reading stuff that other athletes were doing and reading things on nutrition. I got a hold of early books by nature paths, the old pioneers like Paul C. Bragg, and seeing what they were doing and how they ate. I just had a fascination with it. I guess if you went back to day one when I was born, I was a third attempt by my parents for a girl. It didn't happen, so they named me after the family doctor. Great old guy. He was a true medical doctor, but angels come in all different diplomas and types. He was amazing. His name was Dr. Bear Paul, which is my name. They named him after me. I think I just had this fascination with medicine. He used to bring me out in his office when I was a little kid and have me announce my name in the waiting room to tell everybody. Anyway, back to sports. When I got to university level, I had to access the university library. I started taking pre-med stuff and not really for any desire to excel academically, but just to figure out how this thing works called the human body. That brings us into the college years in the 60s, which was a great time. I started reading books like Carlos Castaneda and talking about people shape-shifting in the coyotes. Here I was playing football at a major university and training and also dabbling into the metaphysical at the same time. I had long hair sticking out my back of my helmet, which back then it was kind of a revolutionary sort of thing. I actually took a couple of mind-altering things in some major games a few times just to see what that would be like when there's big stadiums and things. That was a lot of fun. How was your performance? What position did you play? I was a defensive end kind of position. [Speaker 2] (7:12 - 7:17) Did you get extra sacks those games when you were in an altered state? [Speaker 1] (7:18 - 10:23) I had a lot of fun. To be honest, Monday when we looked at game films, I was a little nervous to find out if I actually played as good as I thought I did. It was a real interesting time. Sports led me into just discovering what the was all about. I think the time period was all about exploring your psyche and your place in the universe and just dabbling into different areas of consciousness. There's a great music revolution at the same time. Then I decided to go into medicine. I had the pre-med degree and that's it. When I was getting ready to go into my next level medical training, I had two brothers that were firemen. They said, hey, this one department up in Marin County in Northern California is hiring people that can have the college prerequisites to get accepted into this program that Stanford University is putting on, which is paramedics that would be working through fire departments. At that time, there was television shows because paramedics were the new thing. In fact, there's a picture right up there of me in an episode. You can just see my feet in the picture. But that was Rescue 51. That was a big show back then. Stanford wanted to one-up this new level paramedics that were practicing down in LA County by having their own program. So, that's the program I was in. I did that for five years and then it would have been easy to just go in and complete an MD. I didn't because I decided, yeah, I think I kind of got what I needed out of good MASH training and could do my medical skills in my sleep because we did it under adverse circumstances. I decided to go to a four-year naturopathic college, which I did. My area of emphasis was Chinese medicine, classical homeopathy. I was already doing postdoctoral studies, certifications in applied kinesiology, clinical kinesiology, osteopathy, things like that. Then when I was through with naturopathy, I needed still to get a license. So, I thought I don't need any stinking license these days. But back then, they weren't licensing nature paths in all the states. So, I went to chiropractic college and got a chiropractic degree and hit everything under a chiropractic license during my years of practice and a lot of other postdoctoral trainings and things. But I'll come up for air here and you guide me the rest of it. [Speaker 3] (10:23 - 10:36) I want to ask you back then, were those modalities considered alternative for the time like naturopathy and osteopathy? Were you considered to be walking an alternate path? [Speaker 1] (10:38 - 13:39) Oh, absolutely. And they were better because we had to pass the national boards, which got you into your standard medical curriculum because a lot of people don't realize that if you go to naturopathy, chiropractic or MD, your first four years, the core studies are the same, same books, same classes, everything. So, your national boards to go on to the next level, you're responsible for all that material. However, back then, naturopathy and chiropractic as well was less standardized. They prepared you for those boards, but they never lost that essence of what they're about in the first place. Now, you've got naturopaths and chiropractors that have basically been absorbed into the board and they're practicing green allopathy, a lot of them. So, we were still a little bit more renegade. You still got more of the true stuff. I felt it was a very fortunate time for me because I had mentors that were icons in osteopathy, meridian therapy, things that just aren't available today. And then also I quickly got absorbed into the whole German school of bio-terrain medicine, got my first microscope and started doing live cell analysis, which was based on the original German bio-terrain medicine, not a lot of the dark field kind of stuff that is going on today, which I have reservations about. But within that European school, now I got to rub shoulders with some of the greats in microscopy, understanding pleomorphism from the source, as far as how microbes really work in our bodies, and also getting into the old school of anthroposophy, which is a blend of understanding the energetic origins of things via Rudolf Steiner, but also very grounded so that the Western mind can understand that, hey, this is real science. And then along those same years, I was really jumping into sound and light therapy, and also into what we call these days, people are remembering it as alchemy, but alchemy, what I consider a true science and true chemistry before it was bastardized and brought us into the new reductionist level of scientism. So, all of that was going on in those days, and I feel like I really would have missed out if I wasn't born during that era. So, great luck of the draw. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (13:39 - 13:48) I'm curious, can you provide us with a basic, I guess, understanding of what Steiner's contribution to this whole field is? [Speaker 1] (13:50 - 20:54) So, Rudolf Steiner was what you loosely call an adept. He just came in where the veils were very thin for him, and he was recognized by the members of the Theosophical Society, which included some well-known names. And of course, a lot of them have become infamous over the years, especially when certain religious groups kind of categorize those members as occult, and therefore all occult is evil and so forth. But Rudolf Steiner was accepted into that fold, and at that level, as they did back in the day, they would recognize people by the light that they were emanating. For instance, if you were of a certain inner development, then you very well could have been invited into a school of sorts in which you would get further tutelage to develop yourself and become a member of people that are doing very high-level service. And those people also, interestingly, had to learn the ways of the world, if they didn't already know, which means how does the legal system work, the political system, the financial system, which is of course the same reason why many of us this time around are dabbling in those same kinds of studies, because just like ourselves connecting the dots back then, they understood that if you didn't know how that outer world illusion worked, then you could very easily become vulnerable to it. So their studies not only included their inner development, but then how to be in the world and not of it, so to speak. So Rudolf Steiner had a belief that this occult knowledge should be brought out. It was a time where mankind should be aware of certain principles. The old theosophists believed that mankind wasn't ready and it was better to have things remain occulted, because certain people would misuse the information. Of course, which they already were and still are. But anyway, that was a little bit of a struggle. And Madame Blavatsky, who was part of the theosophical group, she actually walked and talked with people like Saint Germain. Because behind the veil of the people like ourselves that had completed their journey of cycles of embodiments, they work through these people that are of a certain stature and can do the work on the ground. Because on the other side, they can't interfere, but they can work through people that are aware. So Rudolf Steiner wanted to make more people aware. That's what the anthroposophical movement was about. And if you look at the old school that emanated from Asia, that was greatly influenced by an embodiment, an incarnation that we'll loosely call Lucifer, which has become synonymous with the devil, which isn't really correct. That entity was responsible for influencing the more of a tendency or the inclination for spiritual schools in the eastern part of the world to crave out-of-body experiences through meditation and chanting and so forth. It was about making that connection with universal, but doing it through out-of-body experiences. Now there's another incarnation that some people argue maybe has already happened and other people are trying to bring in, which is what Rudolf Steiner talked about, which was Ahriman. And Ahriman is the exact opposite. He's like the materialism at the expense of spirituality, and that's what we see happening on our planet through science and politics and finance. It's just this soulless, robotic materialism. So just like in Chinese medicine, you have the Shen and the Ko cycle. The mom and dad will say the Yin and the Yang. You need both, but you need a balance between the two. And that's what Rudolf Steiner was. That's what anthroposophical philosophy was. It was the Christ consciousness, which is the Tao, the middle way that is right smack dab in the middle of Lucifer and Ahriman. And so that's what Rudolf Steiner brought to the table. That was the context anyway, but then beyond that, his work was voluminous as far as his work in science, just understanding the energetic origins, just like the old alchemist knew, but he had a different kind of language that was maybe a little bit more palatable for the more contemporaneous scientists in Europe at that time. And I became a student of Steiner through my work in sound therapy, which brought me in touch with an individual who is a musicologist and a well-known composer. His name was Joseph Gunsinger. He was in his 80s. I was maybe early 30s back then. And I met him actually in Hawaii, and he took me under his wing. And that was my introduction to Rudolf Steiner. And he had a sound studio. That's how we got together. Here's the guy, a classical conductor and well-known. And he was also the number one Rudolf Steiner educator in the world at that time. So that was my intro. And it was a great one because it was from an individual that was from that world. And also in his lifetime was alive when Steiner was still running around because he was older at that time but came up. Those were his roots. So I got a whole different essence that I think would be hard to get if you're just reading books on Steiner. [Speaker 3] (20:55 - 21:00) I don't know if I answered your question. Oh, man, I got far more than my bargain for. Thank you. [Speaker 2] (21:00 - 21:46) I think definitely. I think our audience did for sure. I was just searching online real quickly. I can't really find it. It's been going around for a long time. But this quote from Steiner, I assume it's original. I don't know if it's been altered at all, where he talks about how like, and this is probably over 100 years ago, in the future, there'll be a vaccine that takes away the spirit of the individual, etc, etc. Can you talk about that too? And I'd love to hear your view on vaccines in general, from your standpoint, from a bioterrain standpoint, from your knowledge of microbes. And I actually really want you to get into talking about what is bioterrain medicine? What are microbes from your opinion as well? So anything you can take from what I just said, just roll with it. [Speaker 1] (21:47 - 24:14) Well, bioterrain medicine, we'll start with that first. It's just understanding that the ecosystem, when it's healthy and balanced, whether it's external, out in the forest somewhere, or our own bodies inside, which run on the same exact principles, the same universal patterns, when that's healthy, then microbes in the body are companions. They're doing not just useful, but life essential things for us. And so bioterrain medicine is paying attention to maintaining the ecosystem in order to produce health and not focused on treating disease or the concept of pathogens, because pathogens is really a misnomer. Microbes only, they don't even create issues, but they pleomorphically evolve in order to adapt to the conditions of the ecosystem. So when the ecosystem goes south, then these guys adapt, and you can actually watch them under a microscope. They change size and form, and right before your eyes in moments, that's how quick things work on that level. And then they might be secreting different enzymes to digest tissues that don't belong there, or to eliminate certain toxins, or to raise body temperature, any number of things that, of course, in medicine, we mistakenly call symptoms associated with the disease. And if you have so many symptoms that meet the criteria of a syndrome that has a name on it, like cancer, then, oh, you've got that because you have these symptoms. And it's so farcical and juvenile the way we think, the way they work. Early on in medical training, even though I didn't have the information I have now, I just started calling BS on a lot of stuff because it just didn't make sense. It wasn't logical. So that's bioterrain medicine. Now, steer me back in. How did we get to bioterrain medicine? [Speaker 2] (24:15 - 24:26) I think I started off when we were talking about Steiner. And I was like, I remember there's this quote that's been going around with Steiner for so long about him predicting that there would be a vaccine that would split the spirit. [Speaker 1] (24:27 - 31:28) Yeah. I knew there was a connection somewhere to what I was talking about. Okay. So of course, he knew. He had the gift of clairvoyance. And if that seems mystical to people, it's really not because when you're tuned in on that level, you're not caught in sequential information compression, which creates what we think of as time. You're more in a present state, which allows you to very accurately see what we think of as down the road, but which is actually happening now. And also to see what we think of as the past. So he's one of these individuals that had that prescience to just be here and to see in all directions. So he understood the future of vaccines as far as their impact on humanity. Okay. So my own take on vaccines, which is based on several things, my own experience of treating many vaccine damaged kids, seeing the effects of people that were fine one day and not so much the next day after they received vaccines, then doing a lot of research in the process over many years to see what certain elements were ingredients in vaccines that would have very predictable and purposeful effects on the body. And then to see statistically how that population that was subjected to those ingredients at the exact time what we would expect the incubation period to end for symptoms to appear. There they are. And now more recently understanding the realm of waveform physics, where all matter as we think of it is nothing more than waveforms that emanate from consciousness. Now they're real. They're more real than what we think of as matter. So we're not saying, oh, this is a simulation. It doesn't matter. And it's all fake. No, it's actually the simulation is more real and has more depth in ways that we don't appreciate, but it, again, more real than what we think of as a physical universe. So you take that consciousness, which we are all individualizations of, and we produce a thought, which is an electrical vector, which then by the nature of electricity has to polarize to create a resonance. And then just like the alchemist of old new, that resonance travels down different layers of what we'll call the ether and different planes and subplanes that comprise our entire reality and our bodies into the final precipitation of matter. Now, when we're on the ground, there's a lot we could talk about as far as how we interact with these higher levels of the ether and consciousness. It's a constant two-way communication. And even when we're not aware of it, if that wasn't a fact, then our avatar would cease to be projected on the instant. And it would look on the ground to those around us that we just had a physical death. So the waveforms that now create all of that, they are within our realm of control as individualizations. It's what we're here to do, is to master that. But in order to receive those finer impulses from those other higher levels of consciousness, we need a capacitor on the ground, which is our body. And different inorganic elements within our body that comprise our body create the multiple numbers of capacitors that are to receive this specific level of resonances that collectively create the human form and give us the form and function that we recognize and allow us to operate as a vehicle to house spirit in the first place. And the DNA now is an after effect of that resonance. It's not a deterministic factor as we learn in medicine, all your DNA is what you are, and basically you're dealt that deck of cards and get over it. No, not at all. The DNA is a product of our own consciousness. But if we're on the ground having this experience, it does provide an antenna effect. It is very, very important to have that two-way communication. And if that DNA is altered, which vaccines have always been designed to do, but now they're doing it on steroids and also have the extra potentiation with microwave frequencies that can ping off of this altered DNA in order to create even more dramatic effects. So when you alter your DNA, as Rudolf Steiner understood, as I've learned myself, then you shut off the capacity to ping off of those higher realms, those impulses, those messages that are coming from our higher electronic body that awaken us and allow us to fulfill the reason why we're embodied in the first place. So altering your DNA by way of vaccines, which is the priority goal of the vaccine industry, is a bad, bad idea. And it's also a reason why many people that got the recent vaccines very often make comments like, I can't feel God anymore. I just feel shut off. I feel dead inside. Very understandable reason for that when you understand how it works and what those are designed to do. Very sinister. [Speaker 3] (31:30 - 31:53) Quite a shocking existential crisis to find yourself in, for sure. So the majority of us on some level before, I guess, growing into greater awareness about the nature of vaccines have probably had vaccines as kids growing up, etc. Is there a repair phase that can take place? [Speaker 1] (31:56 - 34:24) Sure, there always is. There's always a remedy. And I had vaccines when I was a kid. Fortunately, there's maybe about three or four. And as I was taught in my school, my early medical training is you never give these to kids before the age of two. And again, maybe grew to a handful at that point. Now there's what, 60, 70 that you get in your first two years of life. So remember, we commented that DNA is an after effect of waveforms and waveforms come from your consciousness. So you can always awaken to a level where you're coming from that level of consciousness, changing the waveforms very purposely and literally changing your DNA. And in my medical experience, I saw people changing their DNA all the time. We had ways to verify that. So no, it's never a done deal. It's never a thing where you just give up and I'm toast. There's always a solution. But here's the real issue. People that get these vaccines, like these ones going out and getting the COVID stuff these days, probably aren't in the state of awareness that's going to allow that to happen in the first place. So probably not going to have much of a happy ending for many people. And I strongly believe that over the next five years, we'll see minimum about 2 billion people succumb to that. Already, there's way, way more people than what's reported. In the circles I travel, I keep my ear to the ground and have a lot of conduits of information that don't hit the mainstream, even alternative. And it's much, much more extensive and worse than what anybody realizes already. So yeah, you can change your DNA and change the effects. There's also things you can do on the ground physically to get rid of some of those elements that would get more into what we would think of as alternative medicine and technologies and things. So still, there's a price to pay either way. [Speaker 2] (34:25 - 35:05) I find it so interesting when I first started going down the vaccine rabbit hole and decided to go, hey, let me research and look into what's actually in these things. And if I were to look at each ingredient, ask myself, how does each one of these ingredients make a person healthier? That's what I was so curious about. You ask someone, please tell me how each one of these things makes, how does insect DNA, how does animal DNA make a person healthier? And so when you talk about DNA, I'm a novice, so correct me if I'm wrong, but seeing how they're injecting foreign DNA into little babies, that can have a positive effect, in my opinion. [Speaker 1] (35:07 - 36:02) No, again, it doesn't pass the logical muster. It's like you're a mechanic and you're working on a Range Rover and you're throwing in Pinto parts. It's like, why would you do that? It just doesn't work. So there's three things in every vaccine from day one. And also, there's never been, just in case anybody's wondering, and this is my opinion based on a lot of experience and from the horse's mouth kind of thing too, there's never been one vaccine that's prevented a disease ever. They don't do that. They're not designed to do that. And then another whole discussion is, well, there's no such thing as disease either. But that's another- Yeah, what are they trying to prevent? [Speaker 2] (36:03 - 36:03) Exactly. [Speaker 1] (36:04 - 38:55) Yeah. So you have toxins that shut down the body's normal resiliency. I try to refrain from using the term immunity because it also conjures up our body as biological battlefields. We're always going to war and then the antibodies are shooting bullets at the bad guys and everything. But we do have regenerative systems to keep us resilient and strong. And so there are poisons that you can take to undermine that. And those are present in vaccines. Things like mercury, for instance. The other thing is you have retroviruses. Now, that takes a little explaining because viruses, as we think of them, do not happen in nature. And again, another huge topic. However, they do concoct a lot of things in the lab. We can talk more about what viruses really are and how labs mistake certain things for viruses because they have been conjectured to be viruses or that they kind of fit the description that medicine has made up for these mythical creatures. But retroviruses are laboratory concoctions. And there are certain elements that exist in nature where microorganisms do certain things. Long story short, you put these in there and to this day they use those in order to engineer, re-engineer DNA strands because the retroviruses, again we'll use that term loosely, actually have the ability to splice in genetic material and change DNA sequences. Those are present in all vaccines from day one. The other thing they do is they put in foreign material that is going to be used to change your DNA and also do some other very sinister things to your well-being. If we think about it, with those three ingredients, you shut down the body's ability to get rid of this crap in the first place through the mercury and many other toxins they gave you. You also have elements that allow us to re-engineer, re-sequence things, and then you have the ingredient that they want to get into those sequences and then elsewhere in your body in order to change the effects and make you less human and make you less well. [Speaker 3] (38:57 - 39:04) We touched on the occult before, but do you think there's a dark occult aspect to these concoctions? [Speaker 1] (39:06 - 41:51) That's where the good stuff is really happening. You have to understand, we talk about all these lost disciplines, alchemy and so forth, where they had a very high level of awareness and understanding, not just intellectually, but possessed the capability to use these concepts in order to create real things, to actually transmutate matter from one form to another. Things that present-day scientists would call BS on because they're operating at such an infantile level. Now you don't think that these occulted groups that suppress this information didn't keep it for themselves and have used it ever since? Of course they did. Also along with that is the ability to interject on different sub-planes of consciousness and manipulate entire species, mankind on the mental plane. We've been hijacked on that level and that is why it appears that we're living in the zombie apocalypse right now. However, back to the vaccines, when they are making batches of these things and have these ingredients to change the very nature of ourselves and shut us down, there are very powerful rituals that they do in certain circles with different batches of medicines, we'll call them, in order to also work on those sub-planes so that their interference can work from a higher level and create that lack of coherence all the way down on the ground and make their physical medicine even more effective to meet their own goals. But of course, to not leave this in a too dark place, when we develop the ability to go on those levels, then we will create coherence that will filter down, which is infinitely more powerful than what they've done or what they're trying to do. So again, there's always solution. [Speaker 3] (41:52 - 41:56) And what is required for us to reach those levels? [Speaker 1] (41:58 - 43:07) It takes a lot of elbow grease, it takes being willing to face your fears, and it takes an education that can only come from embodiments of experience that allow you to be ready and accessible in any given lifetime. Not that anybody is less qualified or inferior than another individual in embodiment, but all individuals are not equal because we have had different experiences, we're ready for different things. And the folks that are just in the zombie culture, it's not that they're wrong or doing anything bad, but they are making decisions that will have effects that will give them an experience and probably the exact experience that they need, even though it might seem pretty harsh to some of us observing. [Speaker 2] (43:08 - 43:17) Yeah, can you real quickly, I just want to ask, because this word gets thrown around a lot, embodiment, can you just, from your point of view, what is embodiment? [Speaker 1] (43:20 - 49:29) So if we can accept that in the realm of pure consciousness and that universal consciousness that individualizes us, many schools, and actually this can be measured in ways, have identified a part of our anatomy that isn't readily seen by the average person, you can call it the causal body, the higher electronic body, your I am presence. But that is the original projection from universal consciousness. I'm just trying to use non-denominational terms here so I don't offend anybody, but it doesn't matter what you call it. I think we've offended enough people already. So what's that? I think we've offended enough people already. It's all good. Good, so we're doing a good job here. Now that electronic body, of course, does not interfere with the free will of the avatar on the ground and for whatever reason when mankind decided to start experimenting and doing stupid things and forgetting who we were in the first place, now the only people that can figure it out is ourselves and that comes from experience. So when that experience leads to a place where there's no more possible learning then there's really no reason to be in a body anymore in that particular lifetime. So that electronic body will just withdraw the projection and of course in the realm of pure consciousness that electronic body, that I am presence, never goes anywhere. It's an eternal form of consciousness, individualized. So rather than just one strike and you're out, then there will be another projection that will also not just project another body into the realm, into the simulation, whatever the heck you want to call it, and it will also carry with it in the next embodiments if you want to think about it sequentially in a time concept that will have a lot of the energies and things that were created in prior times that are unfinished business and those energetic patterns will precipitate similar experiences that will give that individual yet again another opportunity to figure things out. So if you think about it, if there is a universal consciousness and if it is all loving and benevolent and all knowing, the one strike and you're out sort of system would be pretty harsh. That's like you got to pass the final exam on the first day of class, so that'd be pretty tough and it really wouldn't be the part of wisdom or compassion. And then if you get into the science of it, it makes a lot of sense as well. So I believe in reincarnation. There seems to be more evidence for it than not, and also the Nazarene talked about it in different lost scriptures and things, talked at length about reincarnation. What is your take on reincarnation? Well, other than just what we've already discussed, reincarnation is again the next opportunity to re-embody and have a chance to get off the reincarnation wheel. I mean that's the goal. We were never, so we're told, meant to be victimized or held captive by our own creation or any particular experience or any particular point of coordinate of consciousness in universal. We are supposed to be able to come and go as we wish and enjoy our experience, our own creations, and not feel like we're a victim of it. It gets back to healthcare, it's really kind of ludicrous. I mean we all have our issues, I've had my own and everything, but to think that this body somehow is turning on you or doing something wrong when in fact it's just obeying every wish and command that you put out there with every thought, feeling, and intense feelings especially is what makes things pop. So it's just doing what it's told to do, but then in our superstition we say, oh there's something going on, there's a reason why I have gray hair, there's a reason why people get symptoms. The body wasn't designed to do that. So when we get off the reincarnation wheel, that's my thoughts as far as the purpose of reincarnation in the first place. And even in prior times before the so-called fall, if you want to think of it that way, fallen consciousness, we didn't fall from heaven or someplace, just decided to have a different experience. There were told also embodiments that would take place, more than one, but it wasn't a school of hard knocks and then you didn't forget in between either. You came in aware and your body was in a different state as well. [Speaker 3] (49:30 - 49:56) Yeah, it's interesting. Many researchers, I guess, point to a potential catastrophic ancient cataclysm which on some level could maybe be linked to this fall of consciousness which has destabilized the base of our psyche and there's ancient trauma involved in that as well, including Michael Tesserian. So it's interesting these correlations. I mean, who knows, man, I guess we're all walking the path and figuring it out as we go. [Speaker 1] (49:58 - 52:49) Yeah, and there's evidence, absolutely, that civilizations have come and gone and faced the same issues just like an individual reincarnation. You know, civilizations that have made the same mistakes and suffered the same fate. So it's not just individuals, it's collectives. In homeopathy, we talk about miasms and you can take the cancer miasm, it's recognized as one of the three major miasms that's the energetic root of what we think of as disease, which is another aspect of our terrain medicine, by the way. We're not just talking about bugs on the ground, we're appreciating that these other energetic layers that are instrumental for projecting us in the first place. So you go back to certain civilizations, we're told that in the time of Atlantis, there was a very domineering minority group of people that inflicted their will on the population over and over and over again. And because the general population did not muster it up to stand their ground, you know, draw their line in the sand and say, no, you may not interfere with my will force. Absolutely not. Then this created an energetic that persists to this day. And we see it happening all the time. You know, why don't people just stop paying taxes? Why don't people just say, no, you're not going to put that filth in my body? Why don't people say, you know, stop spraying us like bugs with all the chemtrails and bullshit? You know, it's astounding, but here we are again. It's a reincarnation of an entire energetic called a miasm, call it whatever you want. And then also it creates biological events individually. So what if you just have normal cellular events and microbial events in your body, but now that will force holographically translates into your biology. And now these helpers that are there to be part of our universe, we're the God of their universe. Now, all of a sudden, the tail's wagging the dog and you've got stuff growing where it's not supposed to be. And, and, you know, bugs not behaving themselves and everything else. So, you know, you can't full mother nature. You put things into motion on one level and it's got to go up and down the scale. [Speaker 3] (52:49 - 52:51) As within, so without. [Speaker 1] (52:52 - 52:53) Yep. [Speaker 3] (52:53 - 52:54) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (52:54 - 52:57) Medic principles, not that hard to understand. [Speaker 3] (52:57 - 52:57) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (52:57 - 52:59) It's very simple. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (53:00 - 53:25) Relative to history, based on what you were saying before bear, you know and I know you're, you're busy doing your thing in the garden all the time, but your thoughts or your intuition, like where, where is America, you know, where is America on that stage of, of related to past civilizations that have arisen and have fallen. Um, you have any opinions or thoughts you want to share on, on where, where this country, uh, or where the world is heading, heading. [Speaker 1] (53:27 - 58:18) Have you ever heard of the visions that George Washington had? Um, no, no. George Washington was a high level adept. And I know it's popular to demonize all the founding fathers these days. But George Washington had three visions. He had a visitation by an angelic being. Interestingly enough, he wrote these down verbatim and they are to this day in the library of Congress in Washington DC. And the first two visions that were given to him are all historical events that are very well known. Civil war, you know, you name it all came to pass. With accuracy. The third vision, the angel said, this has not come to pass and the decision is still to be made. And the vision showed for the first time America being assaulted on her own shores. And it really identified the culprits as well, which is exactly what we see happening right now. And the angel went on to say, this does not have to be, it's still up to us, but either way, America will prevail and America will fulfill her destiny. And if needed, the light as of a thousand suns will descend upon the earth and there will be a great cleansing and a reckoning that will precede the final golden age on this earth where this will not be tolerated on this realm. And not within this vision, but we also have many accounts of, you know, our realm is just like we do now, traveling up the octaves and going into a different state of consciousness. So all this stuff that we see now is not going to be allowed to exist. It can't exist. It's like lower consciousness can't exist in higher consciousness. It's impossible. And you know, when you get a sick body, I used to see this a lot. I had a difficult practice where people came in there in pretty rough shape. Typically we start treatment and you see people really start to upchuck on every level and things look like they're getting worse before they got better. Now we knew how to support that and we, you know, trusted in the process and it usually had a happy ending. But the point is, is all the things that created the sickness in the first place had to come to the surface. That's the basic principle of homeopathy as well. And I believe that's what we're seeing right now. All the ills of the eons of this realm, all of the darkness is in our face. And it's actually a good thing because it's all out in the open. There's no more secrets. We can see it all. And we all have a choice to make and we can make the choice. So it's a great time. Saint Germain, who is the master of the seventh ray, and all of us we're told are going to be at the helm of our own higher creations at some point in our evolution or expansion. And so the masters that have traveled before us in this realm and now play pivotal roles for the bulk of mankind as we're steered as a species into higher realms of consciousness. And this gets into a lot of what we're talking about before as far as how matter precipitates. There's basically seven rays and it's another fun story as far as how that works scientifically, how that works. It's just the electronics. But there is a master in charge, like a capacitor for the original seven rays. They talk about them in the Bible, the seven Elohim, the seven thrones, and then the seven sacred planets when you get into astrology. It all has a great significance when you understand this is a technological realm with a purposeful design. [Speaker 3] (58:19 - 58:24) I think there are seven shapes around the womb or the placenta or something as well. [Speaker 1] (58:26 - 59:36) Yeah, it mirrors on every level. Saint Germain is the lord of the violet ray, the seventh ray, and the one that is kind of taking us all the way home. And he was responsible working historically with many known figures. And then he was responsible also for appearing in the congressional hall and the signing of the declaration, giving them the courage to sign that in the first place. And he was behind the formation of the United States of America, because America was the original advent of humanity within this realm in the first place. And we've come full circle. So that's why this is the spiritual heart. It's not a patriotic, political boundary kind of thing. It's a very spiritual, just like chakras in the body. America is the heart of the world. And I kind of believe that. And Saint Germain said, I never would have taken on the task unless I knew from the start, the victory was assured. That's how I feel too. [Speaker 3] (59:37 - 59:38) I love it, man. [Speaker 2] (59:38 - 59:39) I'm optimistic. [Speaker 3] (59:39 - 1:00:08) Yeah, I love it. It's so interesting. And I mean, it definitely echoes a lot of my own feelings as well. It feels like there's a massive purgation taking place. It's like the devil is forced to come out from under the rug, so to speak. So obvious for everyone to see. Whereas prior to, I guess, the events of 2020, it's almost like it was there, but it wasn't as obvious. People didn't know. People weren't aware. And now it's like all the cockroaches coming out, they've got nowhere to hide, so to speak. [Speaker 2] (1:00:11 - 1:00:14) There's a restaurant in Topanga called Inn of the Seventh Ray. [Speaker 1] (1:00:16 - 1:00:17) I'm well aware of it. [Speaker 2] (1:00:17 - 1:00:21) Yeah. Pretty well known. It's been around for a long time. [Speaker 3] (1:00:22 - 1:00:34) A few years ago, Bear, I was reading one of the main Rosicrucian texts, and I feel like a lot of this conversation kind of echoes what I read back then. Am I mistaken in that? [Speaker 1] (1:00:38 - 1:03:15) No, not at all. Those studies were the precursors to the Theosophical, the Anthroposophical, and it did need to be occulted because in those days, you know, and I go back to Saint Germain, before he made his final ascension, we'll call it, you know, he describes many experiences he had, and people like, not just him, but many individuals, tens of thousands that have, you know, traveled the same route. Of course, religions have taught us that only one person is capable of doing that. And, you know, they had to study in secret. They had to keep themselves sequestered, because they would literally be put to death, and they had some amazing trials and tribulations they had to go through, you know, being burned at the stake and everything else. So stuff was kept underground, and there was a great battlefield that was going on, you know, behind the scenes, and now it's all out in the open. But still, you know, I understand we, you know, I started in 75, becoming proactive, and not just learning this information, but applying it in circles, testing things out, where you get in a lot of trouble. You know, I had good friends, you know, literally assassinated, you know, we were targeted, and, you know, were greatly harmed, and financially, but, and then also had a few sleepless nights wondering if it was going to get worse than that. So, yeah, a lot of war stories I could share along that line, but the point is, is we had to meet and do things in certain ways, and not always out in the open, because we would have been put down in two seconds. So I appreciate why the Rosicrucian, you know, the secret societies, you know, throughout time, kept this knowledge very guarded and met in secrecy, not because they're evil, but then, of course, the forces of the dark would always infiltrate, get this information, and weaponize it, which is all that's happening right now. Doesn't mean it's bad, just depends your state of consciousness, and how you want to use universal principles. [Speaker 3] (1:03:15 - 1:03:23) How do you build the force? I've got a question for you. What is magic? [Speaker 1] (1:03:24 - 1:03:55) Magic is believing that natural law is somehow supernatural. Nice. Where in fact, it's natural. Yeah. And should be what we would all take as a natural part of our everyday life. Yeah. And use it to create anything we want. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:03:55 - 1:04:09) Awesome. So great. I love that we're able to touch on so many different subjects here. You know, it's just really cool. I don't know if you wanted to ask something right away, Joel, did you? [Speaker 3] (1:04:09 - 1:04:24) Oh, I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit. What are some of the, I guess, what people might project as magical elements, as the magical elements of natural law that can be utilized? I don't know. Something like that. [Speaker 2] (1:04:27 - 1:04:32) Bro, we're going to get killed, bro, if he tells us. We can't do this right now. [Speaker 3] (1:04:34 - 1:04:37) Tell us some spells, bear. [Speaker 1] (1:04:39 - 1:09:31) Interesting topic. Voodoo works. And practitioners of voodoo kill people. They just shake some bones at a person and a person dies. So how does that work? Well, the practitioners understand very well how it works, and they are able to concentrate thought forms and interject on different subplanes of their victim's being. And of course, that person, the victim, has to be very vulnerable to that, to not believe that they have any defenses. So you can go into the world of radiocesia, which is biogeometry is more of a recent development within the world of radiocesia. There's a radiocesia instrument, like a Lecker antenna, that was developed by an Austrian physicist. And to this day, this is used in medicine and by engineers and so forth. But if you go into Walter Russell, and I'll get back to magic in two seconds here, if you know how to use this, you can go in on any of the 18 dimensions in the waveform and ping on it in certain ways to create effects and also to get information. Radiocesia is different than plug-in-the-wall technologies, where you just get a reading, you know, like an EKG or some such thing, because you have to develop sensitivity in attuning yourself with the instrument. So now, you know, in real science, what the alchemists understood is that you can never be taken out of the equation. It's impossible. There's no such thing as a double-blind study. It's pretty stupid. So if you take radiocesia devices now, the operator is trained to be contiguous with this instrument, and then to ping off of different higher planes of electronics that would be above, you know, the dirty electricity that we use just, you know, to plug in our computers and such. So radiocesia in the world of medicine, I can go in and let's just take biogeometry, you know, the more recent development radiocesia, and I can go in on different subplanes of an individual, get very accurate information on anything from physical, letharic, you know, mental, and 10 subplanes on each one of those, and find out what issues are happening. And of course, this time and distance doesn't matter. And then we can, with that information, ping with the exact waveform that's going to counter the issue that's creating a problem on whatever level of reality. Now, that's voodoo. But it's voodoo with surgical precision, technologically assisted, with good intentions. And also, a practitioner would never do any of that without the permission of the subject. It can't be done. Otherwise, you're going to rack up some really bad karma. And that will come back on you. So you could call that magic. If you make things happen at a distance, and you're manipulating on different realms of consciousness, and then observing the physical effects on the ground, which we often do, you see actually very miraculous things happen on the ground, changes and things that happen in people's bodies. Nobody touched them. We weren't in a room. We're 2,000 miles away. And we're just basically doing our voodoo. So there's all different types of magic. And it can be dark, or it can be light. Chronic healing is another great example. If I was doing acupuncture, or osteopathy, or any modality that I did in my career years, I was always simultaneously doing chronic, and projecting the exact color that would remedy what I was simultaneously seeing in a person's center that was related to the issues they were having. [Speaker 2] (1:09:33 - 1:11:26) This is so amazing, what's out there, and what can be done to support a person in the healing process. Just go beyond most people's frame of understanding, that people would just think it's wild. I'm going to share this experience in my personal life, because I feel like you dig it. The Greeks, they're all about the evil eye. You got the evil eye on you. You got to protect you. And my mom, growing up, used to do these little prayers. They were sub-vocal. I would see her saying these prayers under her breath, and doing a cross sign. I wouldn't hear her. I couldn't hear what it was. It would just seem to be moving her lips. Then she would be yawning like crazy, yawning and tearing from the eyes, and all this stuff. I remember when I started doing some deep energetic training, and healing work, and body work, we would do some verbal energetic clearings. When I would do them, I started yawning and tearing up, and it brought me back those memories. I was like, mom, can you teach me the thing that you did? She goes, I can't tell you what the prayers are. I have to write it on a piece of paper, and hide it somewhere. You need to come upon it on your own. This is how it was passed down to her. She did that once, where she just wrote it on a piece of paper in Greek. I found it one day, and I've just integrated them into my life. I use it. I've used it before. My wife asks me if she's feeling a little out of it, or she feels like maybe she's been around a crowd of people, or whatever. She feels like maybe there's been some negative projections on her. I do it on her. She feels better. She feels better almost instantaneously. It's trippy, man. [Speaker 1] (1:11:27 - 1:11:41) If you just hear that from a different culture, and everything you're describing, it seems superstitious, but there is great wisdom behind those practices if you understand what's going on. [Speaker 2] (1:11:42 - 1:12:33) It relates, and it resonates based on what you're saying when you're breaking it down from a much more scientific standpoint as well. Scientific in the alchemical sense, as opposed to the scientism sense, and the reductionist sense that we're dealing with, and we have been dealing with for a long time. It's actually like having that experience really connected me so much more to my lineage, and my culture, and had so much more respect for my mother in terms of where she came from. She grew up in the mountains of Greece. They lived in the mountains. They lived that life. My mom came from nothing, but they had this old world knowledge, and this connection to the land, and connection to their religion. Who knows what that evolved from as well? If you think about through the generations, what was passed down, it's beautiful actually. [Speaker 1] (1:12:34 - 1:15:04) My parents and grandparents were from the old country too. They're Latin, one side Peru, my mom, and then my dad Italian. They brought a lot of that with them. I talk a lot about waveform physics, and all these different things, but just to be honest with you, I have a fascination with those things, and I have delved into a pretty good level in understanding, but that was so I could play a role, because our culture needs to hear that stuff. When it comes to my own life, I don't think about any of that shit. I'm just reading between the lines, and that's what I'm most comfortable with. I did an apprenticeship when I was in my early 30s, not because I was looking for it. In fact, I had to get dragged into it. There was a person from another culture who was in his 90s, and I won't elaborate on it, but he was chosen at birth from that culture to be what they would call a medicine man, so it's not like he woke up one day and said, oh, I think I'll be a doctor. I had some remarkable experiences with him. He sought me. I'd actually sent somebody after me, and next thing I know, I'm spending an intensive year, and I was like the last project of his life, and he helped me understand why we got together, long story, but after I had experienced a lot of things with him, I said, Grandpa, why am I even learning all this crap in school? It's worthless, and he looked at me and said, you have to because my medicine won't work the same in your world, but people need to believe in you, so you need to know how things work. I'm paraphrasing now, but you also need that language, so that's what all the school was, but on another level, your intellect really doesn't need to be that busy at all. [Speaker 2] (1:15:05 - 1:15:11) Are you saying more of an intuitive, natural way of being? [Speaker 1] (1:15:13 - 1:17:34) You're tuning into higher logic when the impediments in your central column are open, when you're able to make the clear connection between this center, your heart, and the higher centers, when two centers in the brain are actually functioning as a dipole and creating that electrical arc that can receive the messages, the impulses through the crown, which is what vaccines dampen deliberately, and then make that connection here, then your heart, this isn't a new agey kind of concept, your heart is literally your real brain, and back in the Rosicrucian days, Joel, talking about them again, they had in the underground a salutation they did, which basically meant unification of heart and mind, and our heart and our mind has been separated, so we're operating on one polarity only, and so when those two are connected, and when the heart becomes a real receiver, you aren't thinking about anything, you're receiving direct knowledge, there's no reason for speech, books, it's all there, we never had to struggle, it is never the original plan to struggle to know something, because knowledge is universal, it's just there, you just get a download, why should you have to work for it, and if we're unlimited creative beings, why wouldn't we have access to that all the time, and why would we have any delay in that access, it would help us in the creations that are our contributions, that are our responsibility to add to universal consciousness, so you know, I guess in the meantime, we fake it with books and university degrees, you know, I got all these diplomas on the wall, and you know, it's a bunch of BS. [Speaker 3] (1:17:42 - 1:17:47) What were you going to say? No, I was going to say, it's been an incredible conversation, I'm truly grateful to share it. [Speaker 2] (1:17:48 - 1:18:20) Yeah, man, I really just value you, I value your story, I value your mind, I value your smile, man, this is really great to be in your presence, and I can't wait to come up north and visit you someday, and give you a hug, and just see what you've got going on there, and I guess I kind of want to end on that, like what was the inspiration for Alpha Vedic, like what was it you're like, hey, I'm going to go do my thing, and be out in the woods, and learn permaculture, and be with the plants, and create a business, and just do my thing, like what was it, and what's your vision for it moving forward? [Speaker 1] (1:18:22 - 1:21:47) Well, again, it was just one foot after another, we started living off-grid, my wife and myself in 77, in Northern California, then we're out in Fiji, and then Hawaii, we had an off-grid place, and then the farm before here, so she grew up in a ranching family, so we're just both naturally connected to the land, and so was I, and I had that rub-off in different cultures, you know, it was a very different thing growing up, and you know, I'd go spend the night at a buddy's house, and grammar school, whatever, and I remember when I first started doing stuff like that, just, it felt so different, you know, because my house was, you know, broken English, and you know, just different kind of food, and smells, it wasn't sterile at all, it was very, you know, animated in certain ways, so that, you know, that had a big effect as far as, you know, just what we were comfortable with living in nature, and we just always grew stuff, you know, my mom, you know, you don't go to the store to get an herb, you just, you know, she'd better go out and pick some rosemary, or whatever, you know, everything's growing out there, so I think it was just second nature, and then seeing the way the world was going, and then my vocation in alternative medicine, and understanding with the bio-terrain medicine, that, you know, we're just talking about ecosystems inside and out, and we have to be able to resonate, reach homeostasis, you know, with our own ecology, with the outside, and so turning to farming was just a natural thing, my wife owned and operated two nurseries, you know, pretty high-level plant nurseries, so we're just always kind of in that business, and then Alpha Vedic, I started another company, which is still going on down in Santa Barbara, and the point of it was, I wanted some foundational nutritional products for clients, because I was still seeing people back then, and I just wasn't happy with the quality of anything that was available, so I just started making my own stuff, and then it turned into a company, gave that to one of my kids, and then we moved here, started farming full-time, and Mike came on board, you know, because he was doing some website work for us, and he's a good buddy of my oldest son, and then we're sitting around saying, okay, what do we call ourselves, and then my oldest son came up with the name, we said, okay, and that was it, and now I've got my lab done, our last podcast I actually did in my lab, so you can see it, and we grow, we've been at this place for six years, and our medicinal crops, which is what we specialize in, are pretty extensive, and now I'm going to just start making Spidgerix in my lab, and it's like the next level of tinkering, I guess, whatever, you know, and my wife and myself, we don't do anything unless we're enjoying it, you know, the minute something stops being fun, we're just, we're out of here. [Speaker 2] (1:21:48 - 1:23:31) I think that's how life should be, and I think we talked about it on your episode with my wife, and we pulled up your human design real quickly, and we share the same profile, we're 5-1, which is the heretic investigator, which obviously related to you, because the investigator always wants to get to the bottom of things, you know, so with your history of all the work, all the knowledge, all the different modalities, all the introspection, you know, it's just, it makes sense, and then the heretic is the heretic, and the teacher, and I don't know, it's pretty cool, and but the reason I brought up too, is I believe you were a generator as well, like us, and it's all about following your bliss, it's about doing the things that light you up, and if you're not being lit up, then what's the point, so it's something that I've intuitively kind of followed in my life, but then once I gained a little bit of this knowledge, it was just like, just a deeper understanding, or I was like, fuck that shit, man, well, I'm gonna be miserable and frustrated during my days, let me, let me, let me do what, what really excites me, and, and, and makes me happy, and, and inspires me to keep taking that next step forward into the, into the more exciting, or the unknown, you know, and, and I mean, we're, we're at the, my wife and I are like, in the beginning stages of our place in Topanga, and, and we just planted 50 fruit trees, and I'm buying some permaculture books, and trying to learn some things, and we have, you know, we had a, thanks, man, we had like an orange tree that was on the property before that like died, because water started getting to it, and then the gophers just like ate around the base of the thing, and so it's just, you know, it's part of life, we just got to keep learning, and it's exciting, we just got our first two eggs from our chickens that we've had since they were chicks yesterday, so you know, it's, it's exciting. [Speaker 1] (1:23:32 - 1:23:59) Yeah, it's fun, it's, it's an adventure. I, I've had this fascination with Greece lately, you know, I'm just YouTubing out on travel experiences, you know, people that go to Greece, and all these outer islands, and everything, just what an amazing place, so I mean, there's part of us where we could just pack it in tomorrow, and disappear off into some remote island in the Mediterranean, or something. [Speaker 2] (1:23:59 - 1:24:01) Have you been to Greece at all? [Speaker 1] (1:24:02 - 1:24:07) No, I have Italian citizenship, you know, and I haven't even been to Italy. [Speaker 2] (1:24:07 - 1:25:05) Dude, you would love Greece, man, I mean, I, I just, I know, we almost moved there, we almost moved there, in the, it was like 2019, we were gonna like move to this island that we, that we found, thank God we didn't, because everything that went down, it would have been a shit show, like with everything, and I'm happy with what we found here in Topanga, but the Greek islands, man, like when you go, not during the busy times, maybe June or September, they, they're, I know I'm from there, and obviously your lineage is from that area, it's, it's just, it's a magical place, the, the sun, the, the culture, the food, the people, the, they're not like huge hotels, it's, it's, there's this, this love there, man, I, it's, it's my happy place, and I haven't been there since 2019, and we'll see what happens, but hey, man, if you can get a chance to go to Greece, whether or not you pick up and go and move everything there, that's one thing, but to take a little trip, man, you would love Greece, I just know it. [Speaker 1] (1:25:06 - 1:25:24) Oh, yeah, yeah, just these remote islands with a couple hundred people living on them, and, and, you know, my wife and myself, we're nomadic, I mean, even though we grow roots, we, you know, we'll pick up in a second if spirit moves us, so I wouldn't have any problem moving there. [Speaker 2] (1:25:24 - 1:25:53) And there's plenty of islands that have, like, when people ask me for recommendations, I'm just like, don't go to all these big touristy ones, like, there, there are other ones that are just, they still have that, that purity, you know, where you can, if you go during a time where it's not really busy, you're by yourself on a beach, like, butt naked, like, there's no one around you, it's you, your wife, you know, like, it doesn't, it doesn't even matter, you know, so it's, it's cool. Anyways, tweet. [Speaker 3] (1:25:55 - 1:26:03) Amazing. Bear, um, give a final message for our audience. What, what do you want to leave that paper with? [Speaker 1] (1:26:05 - 1:27:59) Oh, um, tough one. Yeah, just, uh, trust, trust. This is, it's going to have a happy ending. And, um, how quick that happy ending comes is up to us. Just don't buy into all the BS out there. I mean, you look at these people that we give so much attention to, politicians and globalists, and they're pretty feeble. Um, and how we take them seriously in the first place is, is unbelievable. So, yeah, tap into yourself. We have all the power and they know it. That's why they're doing desperate things right now. Their biggest fear is that we're going to figure out who we are. You know, we just had a workshop here at the farm. It was very powerful. And it was on legal law, um, issues, you know, just as far as how conduct yourself with paperwork and things in the outer world to protect what's yours. But the theme of the whole thing was, it has nothing to do with the paperwork. It's about that resonance that you bring into the awareness that I am, you are an individualized, powerful, spiritual being. And then when you just really own that, then if you have to interact, whether you're doing some paperwork or, or what have you, and the more people that light up like that, it's game over because the only power that these creatures have over us is that we give them our energy. And as soon as we stop doing that, it's going to be no different than a house plant that you stop watering. It's going to wither and die in two seconds because they don't have any mana of their own. That's why they have to steal from us because they lost that tether a long time ago. [Speaker 3] (1:27:59 - 1:27:59) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:27:59 - 1:28:04) So pay attention, tune in and, you know, what me worry basically. [Speaker 3] (1:28:06 - 1:28:30) Incredible. Thank you so much. I had no idea that we'd be interviewing a wizard today, so that was lots of fun. Guys, thank you for listening to this episode. We're going to drop all Bear's links and Alpha Vedic's links in the brief, in the show notes. Please check out all their material. They've got an amazing podcast as well. Bear's co-host is Mike Winner, who we had on maybe 20 or 30 episodes ago now. Such an honor, Bear. Guys, we'll see you next time.