G. Edward Griffin Collectivism: the Root of Evil

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 0:07) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 2] (0:11 - 1:30) All right, everybody, welcome to episode 88 of the Here for the Truth podcast, and what an absolute honor we have to host today's guest, G. Edward Griffin. He's a writer, researcher, and documentary film producer. He's dealt with such diverse subjects as archaeology and ancient earth history, the Federal Reserve System and international banking, terrorism, internal subversion, the history of taxation, the science and politics of cancer therapy, the Supreme Court, and the United Nations. His better-known works include The Creature from Jekyll Island, World Without Cancer, The Discovery of Noah's Ark, The Capitalist Conspiracy, The Grand Design, and more. He is the founder of Freedom Force International and the creator of Red Pill University, Red Pill Expos, and Rabbit Hole Expeditions. The mission of these Red Pill and Rabbit Hole endeavors is far more serious than they may sound. It is to popularize a global coalition for the victory of individualism over collectivism and liberty over tyranny. You're speaking our language now. He's been speaking truth to power for longer than most of us have been alive. He's paved the way for platforms such as ours and much of the alternative media you see today. Again, Ed, it's such an honor to have you here. Thank you for being here for the truth. [Speaker 1] (1:31 - 1:49) Well, thank you for inviting me and thank you for that rather impressive introduction. I was thinking, gee, did I do all of those things? You absolutely did and that's the impressive part for sure. When you get as old as I am, you have to have done something with your life. [Speaker 2] (1:51 - 2:37) Absolutely, I agree. Most people seem to get as old as you are and there's not much history behind them. There's not much production. There's not much creation and I think it's becoming more and more prevalent that that is being the case. I've got to tell you, your interview with Yuri Besmanov is an interview that both of us have shared countless times and just to be able to interview the man who conducted that interview is a huge honor in and by itself. I want to get to that in a second but just briefly, I want to know how did you get started in this world? What started you off in your own truth-seeking journey? What were some of the major rites of passage that really catalyzed your own transformation? [Speaker 1] (2:42 - 14:37) Well, that's a hard question to answer because first of all, I think my path, my journey through all of this stuff is much like most people's. In other words, there were no major turns or a few substantial ones but most of the time, there are little roadblocks thrown in your way and you say, darn it, that's not what I wanted to do but you don't have any options so you go around them and in the process of going around them, you find, oh, this is a better path anyway and there are a few big boulders but most of them are just little rocks you step around and so that's been the story of my life, little things for the most part and it isn't that God sent a bolt of lightning down and struck me in the head or anything like that. When I came out of school, I came up from University of Michigan, I was like most young guys. I was interested in myself primarily. I was very materialistic like all of us kids were. We were anxious to get out into the real world and make a lot of money and get some flashy hardware or some cars and live in a nice home, marry the pretty girl, have a family and a dog and a station wagon. All of the things that people did in those days and still do for the most part, that was the totality of my life, looking good and acquiring all these outward evidences of success, whatever that was and it wasn't until I was working for a large insurance company in Detroit. I was raised in Detroit but in Los Angeles and by this time I'm married and I've got a wife and a couple of kids and I was on the corporate ladder going to the top, I thought, so everything was right on schedule but I picked up a pamphlet that was that one a very small rock. I picked up a pamphlet and it was a critique, a very serious critique of the United Nations and that blew my mind because I thought this is ridiculous. I know that the United Nations is our last best hope for peace. How did I know? Because that's what they told me at the university and those smart people knew everything. I didn't know anything so I believed it and the evidence seemed to be very good so I never questioned it until I picked up this little blue pamphlet. I think it was about maybe 64 pages at the most and it shocked me because this can't be true, I thought but fortunately this was another little rock. I was walking through an area of downtown Los Angeles not very far from what where my office was because I had a little extra time. I was waiting for an appointment and I had about an hour to kill and I happened to walk by the Los Angeles public library. Now I never thought when I came out of school that I would ever go into a library again because I thought that was where you did to do penance for being students and it was not a pleasant thing for me when I was in school but anyway I went into the library that day. I went to the international department where they all these books on international affairs and history and I went to the section where the United Nations was featured and I checked out three or four books and they were all written by fans of the United Nations. Either they were employees or career diplomats or educators who were being paid by various grants or which were coming from the United Nations or some affiliate organization. So that was suspicious to me that there were very few if any books that I could see that were written from the other side, the critical side. This professor that had written that small pamphlet I thought well he can't be alone in the world, must be some other idiots out there like that but I couldn't find it. They were all very praiseworthy of the United Nations, all very gaga over the whole thing. They were going to put an end to poverty, end to wars, end to illnesses, everything but I checked out the books and I read them and I had a bad feeling because by this time I had studied a little bit of in a school and one of the few things I learned that turned out to be of value. We studied a thing something called propaganda and I remembered the you know the basic rules of propaganda and I was reading them in these books. I could tell I was reading them because I studied this stuff. This is all propaganda and it was just one another little rock. I happened to have taken a course and I could recognize the patterns they're all very very clear and so that was the first crack in the egg and then I found a little magazine called The Free Man. It was published by the Foundation for Economic Education in Irvington on Hudson, New York and it was the first article I'd ever read in that magazine that was written from the perspective of free enterprise and laissez-faire government. I'd never read such a thing before. I didn't know they existed because all of the stuff I'd read in school were all in favor of collectivism, the growth of the state, the government is our our savior, don't trust anybody but the government and since you vote for your leaders you know you can trust them because you voted for them. That was the general theme. Even if they're scoundrels to start with when you vote for them you anoint them and they become saints and that was pretty much the idea I had. So anyway to make this long story short I started to read for the first time articles that I felt were very very refreshing and stimulating and it sounded like hey wait a minute that sounds more realistic in terms of what I've seen with my own eyes and my own experience dealing with people than what I was reading about in the textbooks. So there was another little rock. So I finally came to the point, I'm taking longer to answer this silly question than I should but it's a journey and I want people to know it was not any big step at most points along the way. So then I decided I was getting concerned about what was going to happen to the future of mankind. I never thought outside of myself or my family before and all of a sudden I discovered I had a crusader gene and I started to think about what about the world, what about the future, what about other countries, what about other people and I quit my job so I could become a full-time crusader. Now that was a big rock but it was my own rock I created it. So I decided to go into a freelance journalism you might say and I was going to produce some documentaries I was going to give go on the lecture circuit which I did and then from that point is more little rocks after the other first thing you know I'm learning all along I thought I was quite informed back in 1960 when this all started for me but of course now I look back on it and I realize I just had a little tip of the iceberg there was enough to get me going. So where do I end this story? I decided to produce a documentary on money and inflation I never did but I did quite a bit of research on it one day somebody asked me to give a speech on taxes and I said well I don't know anything about taxes except that they're too high and I'm a guineam other than that what can I say but I have I could talk about a hidden tax and very few people see a hidden tax what is that I said well that's what you have to find out well of course I was talking about inflation and so they hired me to go give this little speech actually they didn't hire me they retained me I'd never got paid for giving speeches in those days I was happy to do it because I was on my crusader routine. So anyway at the end of the speech somebody said gee that's very interesting why don't you put that on the road oh that's a good idea maybe I should polish that up a little bit and put it on the road which I did after a little preparation I went on the road with a one-day seminar called a crash course on money and it was pretty successful every place I went we had a full house and I was gaining momentum and then one day and I'll stop with this part of the story and then one day at the end of one of my presentations this very nice little old lady came up to me and she said Mr. Griffin I really appreciate what you informed us about today and it's made me concerned about whether I'm doing the right thing with what little money I have my dear husband passed away a few years ago and we didn't have much in savings but we had a little bit and I've been worried about losing it or or investing it poorly do you recommend that I that I buy real estate I get out of debt or go into debt to go into an investment should I buy gold or silver and I looked at the poor lady and I thought to myself I haven't the foggiest idea and she's asking me for my advice and I'm a fraud because I do not have the foggiest idea how to answer a fundamental question like that so I said I forgot what I said something very general I suppose she was happy with it but I was very unhappy with it so it was on that day I made a decision to stop giving those lectures and really learn something about the real world markets so I enrolled in the college for financial planning I got my my degree in financial planning I qualified to be a financial planner I never did I didn't want to be that but I I got the diploma just so I could learn what the real world was about and how professionals advise people when they get questions like that so I did learn that and I discovered that most of the professionals didn't have any understanding of what I knew about which was the nature of money how it came into existence how it was illegalized plunder and all those things and I thought my gosh I'm sitting I'm sitting between uh two giant realms of information nobody has or very few people have ever put them together maybe I should write a book about this so that was a poor decision because it took me seven years after that get all my thoughts and notes and data together and that's when I wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island well that so far has been my best-selling book the one on cancer has been the second best and I've had as you know about five others but The Creature from Jekyll Island sort of put me on the map insofar as most people in the freedom movement are concerned because they they knew more about it than I did when I started out they knew that the banks were were not good and they pretended to be you know very conservative when in fact they were they were very fraudulent in their practices and so forth so that's how I got from there to here and I just stumbled along the path and just fell wherever the the rocks made me go [Speaker 3] (14:38 - 15:39) hmm thank you so much for sharing yeah thank you for sharing that I think you hit the nail on something that's important for anyone that's on this truth-seeking freedom movement it's like like you said before it's not this one thing where you just get you know struck with a with a with a flash of lightning it takes a curious person it takes an open mind and a trust in your intuition as well I think intuition plays a role in terms of like okay what's the next book what's the next class to take what's the next you know podcast to watch whatever the case may be that starts you know you start putting pieces of the puzzle together and then if you have a mind that likes taking ideas from different places and synthesizing them and looking for patterns and and and figuring out what's going on so I mean in in my journey so far I'm I'm less than half your age but I'm 42 years old right now that's how it has been for me so far I've just been so curious to learn more and more and more and uh yeah it's it's been it's been it's been incredible so far you're absolutely right things I think I learned [Speaker 1] (15:41 - 15:57) I'm just going to comment that uh you can hardly wait to see what you what you don't know that's sort of how I am all I wake up in the morning I think what am I going to learn today that I don't know or thought I knew that was wrong but it's not a bad way to live kind of exciting [Speaker 2] (15:58 - 16:27) what I love about your work is obviously its whole idea of collectivism versus the individualism versus the individual and this is something that still seems to be lost and misunderstood by the masses obviously collectivism has transformed over the years and now it's got prettier names like socialism and whatnot but could you break us down break for us down or for our audience on a fundamental level what is collectivism sure it's my favorite topic [Speaker 1] (16:28 - 32:18) because I I firmly believe after all this time that it is the key issue that divides the political world and I use the world the word political in the broad sense like geopolitical ideological political not just partisan stuff who's going to get elected so they can steal more money than the other guy that's political too but no people people do even the bad guys that we call the bad guys many of them are highly motivated motivated to do the right thing they think that by following the course course of collectivism that they are going to put an end to war for example get rid of that selfie streak that is in every individual and so forth and of course they're mistaken they haven't thought it all the way through but their their motives are good and so I think there's more harm done by people who are pursuing good goals but pursuing it in the wrong way than by guys who start off and say aha I am I am the devil I am going to destroy the world my aunt Alice who raised me used to say the road to hell is paved with good intentions uh I didn't understand that at the time but I sure have learned it in the last couple of decades people with good intentions are very dangerous if they don't know history they don't know human psychology and so forth so now to your question the issue that cuts to the heart of everything I was saying there is this great divide between individualism and collectivism most of the world except those parts in the middle east where we still have theocracy theocracy is still very powerful ideology but most all of the rest of the world is either based on collectivism or just based on whatever it takes to be the kingpin there are a lot of very small little countries where there's no ideology at all it's just sort of like who who's got the most money who can kill off their opposition it's like you know a couple of families in the mob fighting it out on the streets of New York to see who's going to dominate but there's no ideology there but in most of the well all of the rest of the world the the major so-called civilized countries their ideology plays a very critical role and one of the things you learn in school is that you have to choose between individualism and collectivism well they don't use those names but they talk a lot about those concepts so what are these concepts all right the whole battle of idea is to determine what is the center of society is it an individual or each individual or is it the collective or the group as a whole does the group have rights over those of individuals or does an individual have rights that arise above the group and so forth and without actually phrasing it that simply that still is the basic argument that you have to deal with in most of these college courses on political science and unfortunately the answer that is written into almost all of our textbooks today is that the group is more important than the individual and that the individual has to be sacrificed if necessary for the greater good of the greater number now there in a nutshell is the philosophy of collectivism all you have to do is just have a greater number and then whatever whatever it is that serves that greater number is the right thing to do well that's a horrible thought it sounded good to me but when you analyze it a few people do it's a horrible thought it just means might makes right well it doesn't it may make it may make authority but it doesn't make right a big difference you can have the authority and the power to enslave somebody but it's not right you don't have the right to enslave somebody but most people who are enslaved in the world today uh would agree with that but those who enslave them don't care they've got the power to do so so they therefore have the authority to do so we don't think about those things if you think about a lynch mob for example in action this is perfect collectivism this is democracy in action because there's only one vote dissenting vote and he's at the end of the rope so if you really believe that the you know the collective collectivism is the thing to do then this is in the best interest of the greater number in that particular analysis and we all agree that that wouldn't be the case so you have to say well wait a minute no there's some some conditions some I suppose those are some conditions where maybe they're the majority should not do certain things oh really now we're talking what would those things be and how would you uh how would you enforce your your decisions on the majority if they if the majority disagreed with you and so forth those are the next round of ideas that come up I'm digressing a little bit too much because there are a lot of little interesting uh side paths you can take on this but you come down to the hard fundamental fact that all of the despotisms in the in the modern world and by that I'll say uh starting with the French Revolution and and more recent than that French Revolution was pretty much the beginning of the idea that people had rights and that people should rule and that leaders should follow the will of the people prior to that I don't think there are none that I could think of any major forces of the state which weren't based on the simple power of military might if you're a king and you had more soldiers and bayonets and and rifles than the other king and you are the new king or you know the emperor and they're probably with their heads cut off up until that time that that was how it is how it was but with the French Revolution on a lot of scholars all the big thinkers were writing the books were became preoccupied with the idea of the people being the source of of government power state power and we're we all sort of have a a gut feeling our instinct as you mentioned a moment earlier you follow your instincts that has this the feeling of truth to it that we know that certain things are not right and certain things are are right so we should follow our instincts and so we come to the idea that there maybe might be an argument for individualism individuals being the center of society not the group for one of the reasons I just mentioned now this opens up a big can of worms let's say for example that what is you can okay let me cut to the chase I used to hang out at the communist bookstore in Los Angeles back in the early 1960s I had to tell you I wasn't hanging out there to be recruited I was hanging out there to get educated I was curious about these guys I had heard that they were taking over the world I was convinced they were they had taken over Russia then they'd taken over China and they took over Cuba and my god getting close to home who are these guys and I didn't like the fact that they were murdering millions of people once they came to power anybody who disagreed or supported the capitalist bourgeoisie or whatever they had these fancy names for any any opposition religious leaders were all rounded up and and slaughtered I thought well what is this when is this idea this thought that made that seem like a good idea to murder millions of people and I found out that it was the idea that I just mentioned the greater good of the greater number you could you could slaughter a million people or five million people if you could claim that it it really was for the benefit of the remaining 20 million people you know it's just a question of numbers and I said this didn't sound right by instinct so I started to hang out at the people's bookshop it was called down in Larchmont street and of course they tried to recruit me they didn't know that I was just there to learn about they might have I mean had I had a different mindset they could have because people do get they fall for the slogans you know like from each according to his ability to each according to his need now that sounds pretty good who could argue with that that's the basis of of christian charity right so it sounds good of the slog you know we are against racism a war and exploitation who's who's not against those things uh because they don't tell you that once you once they come to power there's more racism and more exploitation and more murder and death may not be called war but whatever it is millions of people die but that's beside the point so I wanted I started reading their stuff and I discovered an interesting thing that that well first of all I have to tell you I studied it very carefully I bought all the collected works of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and studied them very intensely and I got to the point where I really knew more about these authors you know Marx Karl Marx was sort of a small player in all this he's better known his books Das Kapital and the communist manifesto were sort of pace setters but the real works the real essence of communism is to be found in the works of Lenin and as one of the things I learned as you might your listeners might find this interesting one of the things I learned from that phase was that when people say they're Marxist that's not enough to understand where they come from find two classes of people one say they're Marxists and others claim to be Marxist Leninists put the two words together usually with a slash or a hyphen I thought of it was weird what's the difference well I found out a Marxist is a is a student a scholarly person who has read the books of Karl Marx on the evils of capitalism private ownership of property and the wonders of collective ownership where nobody owns anything but it's all shared and administered by the state for the greater good of the greater number so I'm going into too much detail on this so I found out that this that was pretty much the fundamental of all communism and then I happened to I was in another bookstore a little bit after that I picked up a copy of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler and I read that and I said my god this is what I just read pretty much in in Lenin I'm different words and enemy was different but the tactics the goals the strategies were amazingly similar I didn't know that so then I got curious about other forms of collectivism and so I read Hitler I read the transcripts of some of his speeches they're sometimes pretty hard to find I read the works Mao Tse-Tung Mussolini and on down the line Castro and I came to the amazing conclusion that all of them were essentially the same as certain principles and ideas even though communists and Nazis fought each other to the bitter death in World War II and slaughtered each other by millions they believed the same thing they weren't fighting over differences of opinion and what they believed they were fighting over territory it was all competition over who is going to be the head of the heap not what the heap is going to look like and once I got that idea a big bell went off in my head I thought well we're really our enemy is not collectivism it's all of these isms communism socialism fascism nazism new deal ism under FDR I mean we've got it I mean even in the world that we live in now it's even Americanism because people are using that word in a perverted way to define the very principles the very same principles that Lenin and Stalin and Marx were writing about and so once that became clear I realized that to look at all of history modern history since the French Revolution anyway the world has chosen up sides on behalf of collectivism and even though they might may fight each other as different factions they're all on the same side the only thing on the other side in history was the American experiment and it fizzled out after about a hundred years it it started off as a as a true republic which is another way of saying something where it's not in the interest of the best of not not serving the interest of the majority but the interest of each individual majority and you can know that they didn't use those words but when they wrote the constitution you know the the amendments 10 amendments to the constitution was the first thou shalt not meaning the state shall not not you and I shall not but the government shall not do certain things the government represented the majority so they were really saying the majority will rule except the majority shall not deny an individual the right to freedom of religion to work right to bear arms privacy you know all of these things the whole declaration of independence is to preserve the rights of the individual against the collective and when you realize that was the genius of America when it started at least all of that's been thrown away of course in the last couple of generations where nobody appreciates what I'm talking about they just think look you won the election didn't you you got the votes didn't you okay we win so we we take everything we want because the majority always rules in the interest of the majority okay when I came up with that idea then my crusader genes really were rattling nice and loud and for the last probably 45 or 50 years of my life that has been my favorite topic is how individualism is really the heart of liberty and collectivism by whatever name or form it takes is at the heart of [Speaker 2] (32:18 - 33:26) despotism and tyranny thank you so much for that it's one of my favorite topics as well and ultimately what people don't realize is that collectivism has resulted in more death and destruction on our planet than probably any other ideology that's ever existed and I'm curious you mentioned that obviously a lot of these people that come into these philosophies and exert their direction have good intentions like do you think that their intentions do you think that these ideologies are purposely being used to hijack people's intentions or do you think it's a natural unfolding of I guess the way that people interact with such philosophies and such ideas because do you think that was was there a point where the so-called powers that be or the elites or whatever you want to call it like oh this is a great way to actually ensue our agendas and therefore we're going to repackage and repurpose these ideas to hijack the majority's [Speaker 1] (33:26 - 36:47) intentions well I think that the answer is that yes and no in both cases I used to believe that the whole thing was based on on mistaken assumptions and erroneous thinking and that everybody started off pursuing high ideals but then they came into great power and money and the temptation was to to subvert these principles but as I continue to walk through all of this that I'm talking about and especially after I had a chance to sit down with some very high level defectors like Yuri Bezmenov who was KGB specialist risked his life to get out of the Soviet Union to tell his story talking with people about like that at the highest levels I discovered no the people at the top know better they know it's all just propaganda to get them to power that was one of the strong that fact that was the primary message that Lenin wrote about in all those collected works essay after essay after essay and on different topics but the substance of the essays were all pretty much the same and the substance was comrades the question for us is not what we believe is our idea better than our opponent's idea and all we have to do is defeat him on the debate stage no we don't care about winning a debate our goal is to win control of the state control of society and we must do whatever is necessary to come to power then after we come to power then we are control of the police and the military the media everything and anybody who disagrees with us at this point we can shoot them and they will no longer disagree with us so he used to say things like comrade if you go into a country with a high set of values for their national history they're very nationalistic in their thinking and they have a strong culture which which is different from what we want what do you do you stand up and say I am a communist and I'm preaching your real revolution and we're going to overthrow this government and we're going to create an international communist state no no don't be stupid what you say is I am an anti-communist and you mouth all of the things you know that they want to hear and they will think that you are a wonderful person they will follow you as their leader and they will vote for you and promote you so now you are in power and now you can that's how you come to power so I remembered all of that when I finally came down to this issue now I am convinced that there are no exceptions at the top echelons of any of these movements any of them they understand full well that they are using propaganda and that this is a strategy to use people's good intentions against them yeah like my aunt alice used to say [Speaker 3] (36:49 - 37:03) the road to hell is paved with good intention it's a great quote um ed you you brought up bezmanoff as did joel before how did that interview come about how did you first hear about him and how [Speaker 1] (37:03 - 39:11) did you connect with him to make i think i read about uri in a government report i don't recall whether it was a house committee on un-american activities or the senate internal security subcommittee i just don't remember but it was one of those two and it was a you know very obscure report very small print no graphics sensitive government document and i i devoured those things at the time and there was a lot of testimony by people who had been in the well in the nazi movement and in the communist movement and they were they broke away because they finally realized that they had been taken and that they were being used i think the phrase that has been used by many of those people is that these are useful idiots i've forgotten who was supposed to have said it first but i think they all say it since then anybody they if they can fool somebody into tearing down their opposition they can fool them with slogans they're useful idiots but well uri bezmanoff talked about that at great length he said that these people are many of them are teachers college professors politicians who have influence over other people he said they really think that they're going to be in charge after we come to power he says no they are not going to be in charge they're going to be lined up against the wall and shot because when they figure out the mistake they have made they will become our enemies we know that so we won't allow that to happen we will just round them up they will be surprised because they expect to be in power and instead we will just shoot them well that's when you hear people like that talking about you know they came from the the center of the cesspool so to speak they know what it's like down there and when you hear that over and over again from various people on the inside you stop thinking about the fact that the people at the top have just just made a mistake in their judgment they [Speaker 2] (39:11 - 39:56) know exactly what they're doing yeah i mean obviously collectivism shows its face today in forms of socialism the greater good the great reset etc but one thing that i really loved and took away from uri's interview was the russian or the communistic infiltration within eastern spirituality as well and them realizing that oh this is just a perfect framework for us to push our ideologies and we see today the the rise and the proliferation of new age spirituality and all these ideas of um you know becoming nobody ultimately um but people don't don't don't realize that even that has been corrupted to an extent by these collectivistic and communistic [Speaker 1] (39:56 - 40:19) ideas well that's certainly true anything that destroys the existing order is useful to them and they'll they'll support it in many cases they'll finance it yeah now that might that doesn't mean they really care about the objectives but if it is in any way destructive of the present order [Speaker 3] (40:19 - 40:34) they'll go for it yeah um and i know we touched you touched on it a little bit before but why is it that people think communism and fascism are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum [Speaker 1] (40:34 - 41:22) well because they fight each other for dominance the nazis and the communists killed each other on the battlefield tens of thousands not millions of soldiers you know slaughtered each other either for the fatherland of germany or the motherland of soviet russia and but they didn't know what they were fighting for all they know is that the government said are you a patriot or are not you patriot you're a patriot you put your uniform on and go shoot the other guy that's pretty much the way all wars are fought young men wind up killing other young men and they have no personal grudge against the other guy in normal life they might become very very close friends but they're out there killing each other because they've been told that's their [Speaker 2] (41:22 - 41:40) patriotic duty yeah it's so interesting also like obviously um these these groups claim to be supporters of minorities right but as as ayn ran said the smallest minority on earth is the [Speaker 1] (41:40 - 44:43) individual can we well it's true it's true and you know i struggled with that for a long time until i realized that there was a a very satisfactory answer right in plain sight because i like the idea that the system should be good for the greater number so i felt uncomfortable saying that you know for the greater good of the greater number was not our goal it didn't it didn't resonate right yeah that's finally i realized well the goal is fine but what is the greater good of the greater number is it collectivism no it's not greater good of the greater number after you analyze it is putting the individual at the center of society if you respect an individual's rights let's say an individual you and i have a right to say something freedom of this freedom of speech let's just narrow it to one thing if you have the right to freedom of speech and you want to say something really nasty about me really nasty even accuse me of some horrendous crime whether i committed it or not you could defame me in public uh or you could really hurt my feelings you know now are you allowed should you be allowed to do that well the answer is you have to be allowed to do that because it's only by giving you as an individual the right to freedom of speech that anybody has a right to freedom of speech and therefore individualism putting the individual ahead of no matter how many people another one another analogy let me get supposing the majority of the people decided that everybody over the age of 60 is too old to be productive and ought to be put to sleep and killed let's say you got a majority to go on that because all they're all young guys right so yeah anybody over 60 is not productive we got to support them and they got these funny old ideas anyway and so we're going to uh we're going to kill them now they get a 51 percent vote on that and they're free to do it under the issues of collectivism or democracy and uh but by saying no i don't care how many people are in favor of killing somebody over 60 because they're too old to be productive if it's the whole world against that one person that one person stands superior to the might of all of the opposition rights are i cannot be taken away even by greater numbers if it can then it's not a right a right has to be permanent incontestable under all conditions otherwise it's not a right so come eventually to the answer that the greatest good of the greatest number is individualism [Speaker 3] (44:44 - 45:06) and does individualism and capitalism go hand in hand you want to talk about capitalism a little bit as uh your view of it and and what and as a nation how we're moving further and further away from it or when people talk about capitalism they're talking more about corporatism or you know just bureaucracy politics bureaucracy and politics and political relationships with [Speaker 1] (45:06 - 52:39) corporations etc yeah that's why i don't like to use any other words in this discussion other than collectivism versus individualism because all of the other words have halos around them overtones subtones they come with baggage a little tag and uh yeah you can't deal with all the baggage but now but let's deal with capitalism primarily it's an economic concept has nothing to do with human rights or anything like that it just if you look it up in the dictionary just means that the private ownership of property and the means of production that's it that's capitalism that's all it is and when you think about it that those who own private property and the means of production are independent people i mean they they can run the show and if there's somebody that has no private property let's say has no no home that's his or paying rent on or something there's no property and what's he going to do to survive if he loses his job how does he pay for where he lives he's got to live at the largesse of somebody else and that's the way it used to be it charity had to step in and take over well charity nobody likes charity but at least it's it's not harmful uh you can get out of out of charity if you find a job and and you know work a little harder maybe there's usually a way out but when you have the state as the form of charity it's not charity anymore it's it's like you're entitled to that's your right you don't have a right to be free if you have a right to be taken care of by the state and as long as the state takes care of you and provides your property and you know that kind of thing then you are the slave of the state you have to do what you're told that's what this great reset is all about and the uh the coming uh social credit system and the new banks uh cryptocurrencies if everybody is dependent on the banks and their partners in government to determine how many cryptocurrencies you get to spend for various things like housing and food and shelter clothing transportation entertainment everything if all of that that's your life and if that can be pulled away from you the flick of a switch by a banker or a politician because they don't like what you say or what you do and you have to conform otherwise you're sleeping on the street and begging for food and you can't support your family even the most hardened warrior on the battlefield who will risk his life in battle who will charge a machine gun blazing in his direction he will crumble under those conditions because he's all alone and he's worried about his family as well so our enemies know that and this is this is why property and you know and food and and the means of production are so important because without that you cannot be free now that gets to a whole different topic which is property itself i accidentally sort of wandered into that field and i didn't intend to but the truth of the matter is the capitalism is just a word that deals primarily with who owns the property now it's true under a system of individualism the answer is that individuals own the property so in that sense and i think only in that sense there's an overlap now if you want to just play with the word capitalism you can say okay there are two kinds of capitalism there's free enterprise capitalism and there's uh what's the word i'd like to use i forgot it now but anyway it's it's controlled capitalism it's monitored by the state and no free enterprise at all and by edict well that's not that's not private ownership obviously in order to have free enterprise capitalism you've got to have the basis of free enterprise which is private there's no such thing as free enterprise in the government those are diametrically opposed to each other so anyway every time you go around that circle you come to the realization that capitalism as it's presently used in discussion is not a very good word because most most students going through school just learn that capitalism is something you have to you have to kill you have to get rid of it because it's ugly it's bad it hurts people it's selfish they don't know what it is they can't define it they know it's bad so you've got these these uh young kids out there with their placards in front of the banks or the federal reserve system you know and they want to abolish the federal reserve or something like that you know you want to collapse wall street and uh and then they turn around and they vote for new new laws or advocate new laws which puts more controls on the monetary system into the hands of the government the very thing that they're fighting they're now asking for because they don't understand the basis of these issues so i could go on i didn't do a very good job of covering that because i i got an excellent track but let me just go back and do one more pass at this word capitalism it's not a good word because it means different things to different people yeah now many people think that the only thing you have to do to be a capitalist is to have a lot of capital that makes sense right capitalists are the ones with all the money right wrong the people in the world with the most money in the world are not capitalists they're collectivists just take a look at who they are they don't want they don't want free enterprise they want government controls why because they control the government it means they want control they cannot have control in a free enterprise system so they do not really want true capitalism isn't that fascism is that fascism or am i mistaken well fascism no you're not mistaken fascism is defined as a blend of private ownership and state ownership with the ownership element or control in the hands of the state differing primarily from communism is that the control is in the hands of the state whereas under fascism it's in the hands of the corporation but in the real world there's no difference between the two they always blend together like we have it today i mean we have people in the corporate world that move into government and back and take a look at the the secretaries of the treasury they're all bankers so where's the difference between corporation and state that'll move back and forth so there again fascism and uh and communism are and especially capitalism are bad words stick with individualism versus collectivism and you have at least some hope of finding your way through all [Speaker 2] (52:39 - 53:33) the weeds yeah it's interesting it's definitely a loaded word you know part of me feels like we need to you know educate to reclaim the language as well you know just because they've been propaganda on one side it doesn't mean that you know um we can't bring the the truth and reality back to what these words actually mean and also capitalism from my perspective is as as you touched on intrinsically linked to to the whole human rights issue as well because without the right to property we don't really have a right to life if you don't have the right you know even think of like a as ein rand um and made made made the analogy in a hunter-gatherer situation if you know if you no longer have the right to your food you don't have the right to your own survival and i think this is really what's at the crux of what people need to realize what's really being um brought from under the rug today yeah i agree with that totally one of the problems i had [Speaker 1] (53:33 - 57:01) with coming to grips with this issue of property in the context of individualism was that i have said in one of my principles that distinguishes the difference between collectivism and individualism is that the state can only have the power to do things that the individual have a right to do because if the state gets its power from the people which we like to say it does then the state can have no power that the people themselves do not so now let's take a look at the power that the state exercises and 99 of it is if any individual were to do it they'd be thrown in prison until again all right you don't have yourself yeah so that and with the property issue is that okay so property is a human right why is it a human right we know that the right to um to defend yourself to defend your life and your liberty is a human right in the sense that you can if need to you can kill somebody who's trying to kill you or trying to enslave you and i don't think very many people would say you were an evil person because you you killed someone who was trying to do one of these two things but where does property come into it why is that on the same level i had trouble because i knew it was in there somewhere but i realized it all right here's a little notebook okay now this is probably worth two dollars and fifty cents in the store if somebody stole my my notebook would i be justified in killing them for that no of course not of course not what about if it was my computer well no i probably would thank them for that but uh what if it's my car well no not even your car so how far up the scale do you have to go before you say well this piece of property is worth killing for or you have a right an innate right to defend this property uh in that manner and then suddenly don't i mean well the answer is a piece of property that is necessary for your life and liberty because you're what you're really in other words it could be your home if you had to sleep out in the streets somebody stole your home stole it literally um you could fight to the death because if you lost your home well theoretically at least it could be argued in a courtroom that um you won't live you can't live out there especially if you're in the cold climate and you're thrown into into dependence on others coming out of the cold and you can't live without food you can't live in a very basic society without the ability to grow food so you need you need shelter and you need enough land that you could if necessary grow your own food to sustain yourself and your family and beyond that well then it's it's not survival property it's it's convenience property i mean all right a little house is one thing but um a 20 a 20 bathroom resort is not you know that's something else again unless that notebook or [Speaker 2] (57:01 - 57:07) computer contained the only means to you providing an income for yourself which necessitated that's [Speaker 1] (57:07 - 57:27) something else again then it's and it's not just a computer anymore it's your defense of life and liberty yeah and once that fell into place okay that's it now we understand it now drawing the line where the line you know is might be very difficult in some cases but that's what we have [Speaker 2] (57:27 - 58:35) courts for is to adjudicate those gray areas yeah like so from from from my perspective people have been so subdued they've been made so passive they've been made to be so reliant and dependent on systems and governments that they no longer value producing for themselves the same way they once did they no longer value productivity and creativity because of this generational subversion that i guess yuri touched on and so they no longer have the same oomph um to to defend um these basic rights and these basic principles and from where i'm looking they seem to be far more inclined to be like oh yeah each man according to his need instead of each according to his ability because essentially they don't want to be productive they don't want to produce they have incredibly low self-esteem an incredibly low sense of self-worth and they don't even consider themselves capable of of rising up of producing for themselves [Speaker 1] (58:35 - 1:00:12) of of being an individual well you're absolutely right on that and it's hard for me to say how much of that is cultural and how much of it is biological i tend to think it's cultural because i think almost everybody that i've ever gotten to know well anyway that's quite a few people has had different levels of desire to be productive and when they're not productive in some way they get to be very sad yeah very unfulfilled i think fulfillment comes from that but you're absolutely right there a lot of people have been told that that's not a good thing and that they can't do it they're victims you know oh i can't do this because my my parents were oh bad people and didn't didn't send me to college or whatever it is and so they really have been conditioned culturally to think that they they're deprived because they would have they would have done better if they just had if it hadn't been somebody else's fault well i don't know i can't answer that question except in my my own bias is that every human being has that desire to be productive and um if you take that away from him and said and tell him that that's wrong convince him that that's wrong yeah he's a very unhappy human being i think a lot of people who commit suicide are in that position because they're they're living in a world in which their their basic desires are being frustrated their basic needs are being denied [Speaker 2] (1:00:13 - 1:00:35) yeah especially when they've been propagandized and brainwashed to believe supporting themselves is somehow selfish to believe that earning earning money for their own survival for their own enjoyment makes them makes them seen as against the crowd right or or against the collective and so the majority of people are in an are in a psychological conflict with themselves [Speaker 1] (1:00:35 - 1:01:40) ultimately yeah they're in a bind yeah yeah i've read some interesting theses lately by psychiatrists who have reported on this exact thing that since covid um came out or was announced or whatever you call it um and people were locked in their homes and couldn't get out and mingle with others they've lost this intercommunication with other people and became very despondent and they have a need to talk to people to speak with people be social with people and it's all part of that same very complex and and vague compositive drives and motives that we all have we want to be social some of us want to be social more than others yeah but we all want to be social and we all need to be productive we all need to go to bed at night and think hot dog i really i knocked it out of the ballpark today and tomorrow i'm going to play and reward myself or whatever you know however we deal with that but we know that we [Speaker 2] (1:01:40 - 1:02:01) did something good so this great reset this social credit system do you think that there's anything that can stop its implementation in i guess the mainstream aspects of society i mean anything that can be done to stop it you think it's just coming or do you think that it [Speaker 1] (1:02:01 - 1:02:53) can be it can be derailed well it's coming but that doesn't mean it's going to get here yeah or it might be here and to jump to the answer to your question it depends on how many people we can activate i say we because i have that obligation in my heart and so my mission is to activate people and bring people to realization of the need to act without that no we're dead we're we're ducks dead ducks but now there are a lot of people waking up to the need that makes sure this doesn't happen yeah now i do believe that if the numbers are great enough and if the enough people within those numbers will stand up and take the lead yes it can be stopped [Speaker 3] (1:02:54 - 1:03:23) no in fact i'm counting on it yeah me too that was my i was gonna say that was my my question to you like are you more of an optimist or a pessimist when it comes to everything i mean you've been at this for a really long time and you've seen the cycles and you've been a crusader and and you've seen things come and go and so where you are now uh in the later years of your life do you like in your heart of hearts are you like we're gonna win well we will now the question is when [Speaker 1] (1:03:24 - 1:06:18) we will there's no question in my mind and uh yeah but no that doesn't mean we're not going to be you know win a battle without paying a price oh yeah especially a war and we're in a war it's going to be an awful price to pay but if we have the will and the numbers and the smarts if we know what we're doing and not just stepping into another propaganda trap so we wind up doing exactly the opposite of what we should be doing if they don't turn our good intentions against us which means we have to become students of this whole thing then uh i mean we're invincible but if we can succumb to their favorite ploy which is false leadership they always know well in advance long before we know what's going to happen they anticipated that there's going to be a surgence of opposition against this band-aided vaccines vaccines for example and they have they plan how to deal with that and if necessary they'll back away from it but they'll never give it up and so you know if they if they want us to do something that's just the opposite like oh well we don't need the vaccines anymore instead now we need we need to spray something in the air instead so that way nobody has to take a vaccine and everybody gets affected by it unless you have a little magic pill that we know about i'm gonna give you immunity and we'll say oh yeah that's a good idea or if they if they destroy the american dollar which they're in the process of doing it cannot last much longer they're inflating it a thousand times greater in the last few years than ever before in history because they're destroying the dollar why well because when they come out with the new uh crypto central bank currency which will be the the death knell for us all we'll be grateful for it oh yeah the dollar the stinking dollar just fell apart we need something better than that well here we have the central bank cryptocurrency they'll give it a name like the digital dollar or something like that oh yeah it's a good idea we'll have we'll have that you know well we lose if we're stupid enough to play into their games anything that comes as a recommendation from the people who have created the problem we're in today is not to be trusted everybody got it if these are the guys that got us into the trouble stop listening to them and listen to people who they hate not the people who they endorse and even and they're smart enough to to put up people to hate in such a ferocious manner that the average person he's got to be a good guy because look how much hatred he's got they have it all figured we have to be ahead of [Speaker 2] (1:06:18 - 1:06:25) that game who you who are you alluding to there ed yeah that's what i want to ask like the day [Speaker 3] (1:06:25 - 1:06:37) everyone says who are they and i know i know you've talked about um you know the trilateral commission or all these other organizations etc like who are they i mean we have the world [Speaker 1] (1:06:37 - 1:07:29) and all these people you can create a a directory of their names and telephone numbers to be a very thick directory they are collectivists yeah yeah and if you get rid of one who's in a position of authority or power and knock him over let's say he gets embarrassed because you exposed him in a pedophilia ring or something so he's out of business now the guy that steps in behind him is just waiting for that to happen and he he just hasn't been exposed yet but he's the same as the one you got rid of unless you understand that as long as collectivism is the dominant order of of political action today we will never ever come out of it that's where we get back to this issue of collectivism versus individualism yeah we don't don't win on that [Speaker 2] (1:07:29 - 1:07:58) front we can't win on anything yep and this is the reason why i think that we will win is inevitable is because these collectivist ideologies they're self-defeating at the very roots they don't promote life they're anti-life so i don't know how long a piece of string is but i think at the end of the day they have no choice but to crumble under their own foundations once enough people realize that life cannot be sustained or flourished under these conditions [Speaker 1] (1:08:00 - 1:09:41) well i think you're right but the trouble is most people unless we have some serious changes in the forces that now are at work most people will not know why we are in this trouble they don't realize that it was planned it was not a mistake most people will say oh don't they know that these vaccines are harmful to people oh you should write write a letter to your congressman or call the president or let him know so it once you know if he only knew why we could change all this and how naive that is they know all of this at the top the goal is not to solve a problem but but to make it worse so that this america will be destroyed america would be brought to her knees begging for food and shelter health care housing energy that's the next big war energy they start turning off your air conditioner oh well that's bad enough but turning off your whole house now for six hours every day and for making you buy an electric car as opposed to a gas car then turning off the charging stations so you can't go anywhere you know we have to stop this thing now and we can't just think that politicians are making mistakes when they do these things they know exactly what they're doing and they're doing it because they want to destroy our country and get all ideas of independence and liberty out of the hearts of americans so they're just worried [Speaker 3] (1:09:41 - 1:10:04) about survival yeah they just want to destroy to like your ability to think you know communist propaganda is just so outrageous and ridiculous i mean even just a week and a half ago gavin newsom was like we are going to ban the sale of of gas powered cars by 2035 or whatever the date was and then like four days later he's like you can't use electricity you know it just doesn't [Speaker 1] (1:10:05 - 1:10:17) it's like absolutely ridiculous like well it makes perfect sense there in a nutshell is exactly what's planned they want you to depend on electric cars and then they'll cut off your [Speaker 3] (1:10:17 - 1:10:34) electricity yeah exactly that's part of the plan yeah clear but anyone with a critical thinking mind goes this doesn't make sense unless the point is to subvert you know subvert you and have you under the boot of the state you know that's yeah yeah average person has got to wake [Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:10:41) up and realize that that is the plan yeah these guys are not making mistakes yeah i think you i [Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:54) think you alluded to this particular figure before and it's something i've asked many of our guests but i'd like to hear your perspective as well um what do you think of mr donald j trump well i i [Speaker 1] (1:10:54 - 1:12:25) have many thoughts pros and cons i'm mr trump i like what he says most of the time but i know that how it's easy to tell people what they want to hear lenin taught me all about that tell the people what they want to hear he said then when you're in power you can betray them now i'm not saying that that's trumpet trump but i'm not impressed by the fact that he says a lot of things that i want to hear i'm more impressed by what he does he's done some good things you know he but most of the things that i'm aware of have been undone when he did them they received a lot of fanfare you know like got us out of the international trade agreement but what did not receive the fanfare is later on he endorsed a new international agreement that was even worse nobody's listening to that part he's saying yeah we ought to have freedom of choice and health care but those were words what did he do he spent i don't know how many billions or trillions of dollars to fast track the vaccines and so when you compare his words with his actions especially those actions some of the good ones that were undone later on you come up with some big question marks who is he working for [Speaker 3] (1:12:25 - 1:12:41) mm-hmm yeah do you i've asked this question before um do you believe that elections are legit or that the people in power make decisions on on who's gonna take the role of president [Speaker 1] (1:12:44 - 1:15:36) i am firmly convinced i was going to say i know i don't know but i'm firmly convinced that our elections are totally rigable does that mean that all elections are rigged and i don't think it does because there have been some that i don't think were viewed as important enough takes a lot of resources to rig an election and then cover it up even more resources to cover it up than to rig it i produced a video documentary some years ago on this topic and it's called invisible ballots and this was before anybody ever heard of rigging elections but even back in that day and that was what 20 years ago we had on video a demonstration of how easy it was to rig one of these electronic voting machines we got a computer programmer who said he knew how to do it and okay will you do it on camera and he did took him about 10 minutes or less and i think today it's probably even easier because they don't have probably don't even have to open the backs of these voting machines now they can probably just dial it in by telephone and do whatever changes they want to make and yeah they have the they have the technology to do that which is the only reason really the only good reason to go to electronic voting from their perspective i mean the number of errors made by clinging or hanging chad from a vote uh are minuscule no way could it affect the whole election but when they were selling this idea to the voters all all you saw over and over again there's a picture of somebody holding up a vote a ballot and there was a hanging chat on it well it was hanging and just pull it off it's finish it but even if you tossed it out for one or two or three of those and so what now they have a system where they can they can change every vote every one of them in an instant and don't even have to hide the chads on the floor and none of that is visible to somebody from the other party or somebody who's not really a fan of either party you can't observe anymore so it to me it's obviously it was designed to be rigged there's no other explanation in my mind now does that mean that every election is rigged no but if it's important enough like a presidential election it's easy i'm yeah that's my opinion okay i wish [Speaker 3] (1:15:36 - 1:15:53) i didn't have to say that but i i think it's true yeah no no i hear you and thank you for offering your perspective um ed when you look back on your life and obviously joel read your impressive resume at the beginning like what are you most proud of i'm really proud of you [Speaker 1] (1:15:54 - 1:16:12) i'm proud of this program i'm proud of the voices that have appeared in the last few years that i didn't ever expect to to hear it means that my work has done some good and it's the ripple effect is [Speaker 3] (1:16:13 - 1:16:40) underway that's what makes me the most proud well you just i did not expect that that definitely hit me emotionally thank you thank you i don't i don't think this this um this program this podcast would exist without like you hear that phrase often like we stand on the shoulders of giants and like you you definitely are one of them uh in this movement in the liberty freedom movement and i and the respect that i have for you and the tireless research and the work that [Speaker 1] (1:16:40 - 1:16:51) you have just um thank you so much well thank you we all stand on the shoulders of someone i certainly do so who will stand on your shoulders [Speaker 2] (1:16:53 - 1:17:10) let's say don't know yet but it'll happen that's a that's a good point who who are those giants whose shoulders you stand upon and who you built your foundation upon some of the great masters of the past that really influenced you and your work in life well i think that [Speaker 1] (1:17:10 - 1:20:23) um obviously the people i've been talking about from the enemy camp have been my great teachers i think i've learned more from the enemy and from our friends but um the great writers of the past you know when i wrote the creed of freedom you know the principles that i think a freedom movement has to be built upon none of those ideas were original with me i swiped them all from writers from the past and if i can't claim claim credit for any of that all i did was compile them and simplify them as best i could um i learned a lot from a obscure fellow by the name of dan smooth who was a former fbi agent put his job started to write a newsletter called this dan smooth report i love the way the guy wrote was so precise in his analysis and he included his footnotes he proved everything he said at the beginning and middle and an end and i tried very hard to emulate him in my writing style um i learned a lot from a fellow named robert welch who most people think is a lunatic because that they don't know any better he was the founder of the birch society and i i wrote his biography so i got to know more about robert welch than um and he knew about himself i think that i i spent a lot of time talking to his mother to his brothers to the secretary that was with him for so many years they told me some stories about him that make their hair stand on it nothing nothing bad mind you but he was a very eccentric person but one of the most brilliant scholars i have ever met and he graduated from college at the age of 14 for example well this is a sort of a beginning on that one but i learned a lot about history from him and it goes on let's see i admired senator goldwater at a time when i was just learning about the political side of things i remember i went to listen to a speech of his in los angeles and at the end of this speech crowd was around him and he said well i got to go and he started down the hall and i went up to him i said senator do you mind want me to carry your your briefcase oh he looked at me oh sure so i i got to be senator goldwater's bag man for about 20 minutes or 15 minutes but um that's about it really and this but i ran into people like gary besman on yeah there's a giant risk his life i mean they would have slaughtered him in the most horrible way it is mind-blowing it is [Speaker 2] (1:20:23 - 1:20:36) mind-blowing what he what he did what he escaped from and the amount of pressure that he would have been under and still under those circumstances made the decisions he did yeah giants yeah yeah [Speaker 3] (1:20:38 - 1:21:23) i i i i recommend that interview to so many people i know joel mentioned at the beginning especially people that are on the fence and have a sense of like something seems off you know in the world and like why are things going the way they're going and you will watch this interview from 1984 almost 40 years ago and in so many ways you can maybe change some names around of some nations etc some people and it feels like that interview could have happened three years ago it's so relevant which makes sense when we talk about the enemy being collectivism so it doesn't matter what time period you're talking about collectivism is collectivism is collectivism [Speaker 2] (1:21:23 - 1:21:45) there you go ed what can i say other than being other than this has been such a huge honor to share this dialogue and to share this conversation with you um can you please share for our audience i don't think we actually let people know what your age is right now well i'm 90 yeah i'll be [Speaker 3] (1:21:45 - 1:22:01) 91 in november amazing my father just turned 92 oh good young guy yeah definitely he's still doing this thing you know they're in greece right now that's where my family's from so amazing well it [Speaker 2] (1:22:01 - 1:22:08) sounds sounds like you might be a philoscopio there ed well i'm looking for the long long view [Speaker 1] (1:22:10 - 1:23:30) it's a good feeling in spite of what i said earlier that we're going to win but we just don't know when what i meant by that is that i think the ultimate victory of individualism over collectivism is probably for sure not going to happen in my lifetime and maybe not in yours but it will happen and i remember when i was a young guy talking to the old foggies and they talked to me well sonny you got to realize that we're in a generational battle and took a long time for these people to get to where they are from where they were and you're not going to change at all in the next election and i used to hate that i said of course i am of course i am let these old guys do it their way i'll do it my way well you know where i'm going with that now here i'm i'm the old foggy saying this is a generational battle and it's going to take probably two or three generations at least but we can do it yeah and was that idea in mind i go to bed every night with kind of a smile on my face thinking well today i laid a couple of more bricks in the foundation [Speaker 3] (1:23:32 - 1:23:46) one step at a time i mean yuri said you know you can ideologically subvert an uh a population a a citizenry in a in a generation so why can't we reverse that in a generation we can you know we [Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:53) can and we're starting we're underway and of course our enemy knows that and they're not [Speaker 2] (1:23:53 - 1:24:33) going to let us continue without getting in our way yeah the the biggest mistake that they made which i don't think they could have control was this right it's the internet at the end of the like this to me was like a death throw for whatever agenda um that they're trying to fulfill here it gave birth to podcasts such as this and information sharing at a pace never before seen in history for those alternate communities there's ways to reroute against all censorship no matter how much they push it for the individual who's tactile enough it can be rerouted again so i mean what are your thoughts on that [Speaker 1] (1:24:34 - 1:24:39) well i agree with it totally um they may come to the point where they want to pull the plug [Speaker 2] (1:24:39 - 1:24:53) on the internet i mean that's that's what you'd think would be the first thing they would have done but is it is it doable i don't know it's so obvious it's doable it's doable um i think [Speaker 1] (1:24:54 - 1:26:13) well i think i often think what would i do if i were on their board of directors if i was in that little conclave of three or five people that make these big decisions what would i recommend and i would recommend either one of two things or maybe both of them a fake invasion from outer space with uh holographic images and sounds from the sky blue beam very very convincing can be done now and uh newscasts coming on latest bulletin we've got the united nations is coming to our rescue we got to forget these national boundaries now we have to move populations out of the cities or into certain camps and follow orders everybody would follow that i would invasion from outer space and at the same time well what else i was food shortages of course are no food that people get pretty desperate for that and there was another one i had in mind would be even better complete catastrophe well i'll think of it in a second but you get the idea [Speaker 3] (1:26:14 - 1:26:19) you get the idea they'd love to hire you ed i mean you've learned so much from all these [Speaker 1] (1:26:19 - 1:26:33) collectivists from the past they don't need me they're they've got they've got buildings full of advisors that come up with new ideas every hour yeah yeah ed what is your [Speaker 2] (1:26:33 - 1:26:37) yes final message for whoever's listening right now [Speaker 1] (1:26:41 - 1:27:24) i get asked that question a lot and interestingly enough every time i get asked that question i answer it differently right now i have the urge to say something ridiculous go for it which is be thankful that you live in this era because as bad things are that is the environment that is necessary for good things to happen and i would phrase it so it's up to us to make it good it's a wonderful opportunity i'm glad i'm not [Speaker 2] (1:27:24 - 1:27:37) missing it you're an incredible human being that's that's what i have to say and i'm so grateful and thankful for your presence for your life for your work and for this conversation well thank you for [Speaker 1] (1:27:37 - 1:27:45) so good luck to you and and be prepared to win that's it thank you ed really appreciate it all [Speaker 3] (1:27:45 - 1:29:00) right gentlemen thank you again good luck take care right there everyone you just listened to an amazing conversation with us and a living legend g edward griffin he's been out there i 60 plus years dropping knowledge fighting for truth fighting for liberty what an amazing human being and we just feel so grateful to have had that experience with him and hopefully you enjoyed the episode too we want to let you know about 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