Kevin Sorbo A Herculean Effort

[Speaker 1] (0:00 - 0:07) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Raffitti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 2] (0:11 - 1:44) All right, everybody, welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. We truly have an amazing guest today. We have Kevin Sorbo in the house. Kevin Sorbo is an actor, producer, and director. He received international stardom when he booked the lead role in Hercules, The Legendary Journeys, which became the most watched TV show in the world. Following that success, Sorbo had the lead role as Captain Dylan Hunt in Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. Sorbo also starred alongside Dennis Quaid and Helen Hunt in Soul Surfer and also starred in the faith-based movie God's Not Dead. The $2 million budgeted movie became the most successful independent faith-based movie ever, with over $140 million in theatrical, streaming, and DVD sales. In addition to many other film and TV projects he's been involved in, he's got a few movies set for theatrical release soon, such as Left Behind, Rise of the Antichrist, and the major motion picture Reagan, with Dennis Quaid playing the late president and Kevin playing the role of his pastor. And since 1997, Kevin also leads a World Fit for Kids, a successful mentoring model that trains inner-city teens to use school, fitness, sports, and positive role models for themselves. And that's been the number one after-school program in the state of California for 25 straight years. And on top of all that, Kevin's faced some pushback in secular and liberal Hollywood for his conservative Christian views and for speaking out the last few years against the mainstream COVID narrative. What an introduction. Kevin, thank you so much for making the time for us. [Speaker 1] (1:44 - 1:45) My pleasure, it's good to be here. [Speaker 2] (1:46 - 2:05) Man, one way we usually love to kick off these podcasts, especially with new guests, like we know Hercules had his own major rites of passage, but we want to know what Kevin Sorbo's major rites of passage were and are. What are the most pivotal moments in your life and career that I guess really turned and molded you into the man you are today? [Speaker 1] (2:06 - 3:48) Wow, I don't know where to start. I mean, I guess certainly my parents were instrumental in my development and my growth and my strong-willed attitude towards things and the desire to work hard. When I was 13, I met the Reverend Billy Graham. That was a huge moment in my life, meeting that gentleman. You know, moving to LA, not known a soul and pursuing that actor's dream. I wanted to be an actor since I was 11 years old and I just pushed myself and went out there. I was a double business major in college. I went out there and treated show business as it is a business. I pushed myself, didn't know anybody, but I went out there and I hit the ground running. I'm not much of a game player. I'm not much of a Hollywood guy. I grew up in small-town Minnesota, about 7,000 people. I don't know. I love the state, it's beautiful, but I was never really in the Hollywood world. I was not the type of guy to really do the schmoozing and butt-kissing that so many people have to do, I think, to make it. Certainly getting married and certainly having three kids. Those were huge things in my life. I got three amazing children. We're homeschoolers, homeschool advocates. They're now 21, 19, and 17, but awesome kids. Unfortunately, homeschooling them, they grew up on movie sets. My two boys are involved in the business as well. I would never wish this business on anybody, but they love it. My 20-year-old just finished his seventh movie and my other son just booked his fourth movie. They're staying busy and they're doing their own thing. [Speaker 3] (3:49 - 3:53) That's amazing. What do you love most about the business, about storytelling? [Speaker 1] (3:54 - 4:59) I fell in love with movies early in life. My mom, I'd sit with her on the couch, watching old black and white movies, reruns of Cary Grant, Spencer Tracy, Catherine Hepburn, Jimmy Stewart, all those guys, Humphrey Bogart. I still love movies like that. I love the fact that I passed it on to my daughter who's 17. Any old-time movie, any movie from the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s, she wants to watch them with me. The bug was set early for me. I love the creative process. My hero growing up was Paul Newman. I got a letter from him framed on my wall here, which is really cool. I don't know. I love the creative process. I just love it. I love being on the set. I love acting. I love directing. I started directing back in Hercules years, seven years down in New Zealand. It was fantastic down there. I love to stay busy and I just love being part of that creative world. I don't like all the politics of Hollywood and all the other stuff that goes around it, but once you're on the set, I love that little world right there. [Speaker 3] (5:00 - 5:12) Yeah, man. I hear you. I trained as an actor for 10 years and worked a little bit, not at any level that you worked at. I appreciate that element of it, but there's definitely aspects of the industry and the business that just rubbed me the wrong way, for sure. [Speaker 1] (5:13 - 6:26) It's a tough business. I mean, it really is. I never really, like I said, I could always tell when guys are in the acting classes to meet girls and then acting classes to actually try to be an actor. So I could kind of suss that out pretty quick, but I don't know. It's just the goal was set. I was one of the very fortunate ones. I don't know of too many actors that have moved out to Hollywood that never had a working on the job. I never had a bartender doing any weight tables. I worked very well commercially. I shot over 150 commercials in my career. And as you know, the residuals for everything. So I was lucky to find an apartment in Santa Monica. I was basically blocks from the ocean, blocks from Gold's gym. So for a guy in his 20s, that was heaven. After every time, every Gold's gym workout, I'd either rollerblade or bike all the way down on Manhattan Beach back up again. I mean, that was my way to work off the frustrations of rejection in the industry, because there's a lot of rejection. And I just kept plugging along. Every time I got rejected or said, you're too this or too that, that was just fuel to the fire to me. And I just, I just kept plugging along and said, no, I'm going to make it. I'm going to make it up my own merit too. [Speaker 3] (6:27 - 6:31) Yeah. You found yourself a good area there. My wife and I were a few blocks away from Gold's gym for several years. [Speaker 1] (6:32 - 6:35) I was on Ocean Park Boulevard there. [Speaker 3] (6:35 - 6:56) We lived at Fifth and Hill for several years and then we moved out to Topanga a few years ago. So yeah, it's a beautiful area for sure. Can you talk a little bit about that too, just in terms of the perseverance and what separates someone who is successful in this business versus someone who's not. I know you've spoken about failure is a good thing before and other talks you've given. So I'd love to hear your take. [Speaker 1] (6:57 - 11:04) Well, I learned that early, but I mean, I'm the fourth of five kids. My dad was a school teacher. My mom was a nurse, but stayed at my mom with five kids. So they all taught hard work to all of us and discipline. And I started paper out when I was just nine years old. And in Minnesota, if anybody knows what Minnesota winters are like, you got about five months of 10 to 20 below zero every day. So I was out there delivering 80 papers at four, four, 35 o'clock in the morning, six days a week for seven years. I learned hard work and I learned responsibility. Whenever it snowed, my dad would Xerox off a bunch of things for me and I'd pass them all the neighborhoods around. I'll shovel your driveway, you know, get the snow out of there. I mean, I was, I was very, very entrepreneurial. You know, I busted my butt doing that. And my dad put that in all five of his kids. But I just think that, you know, when I got into college, there's two summers I worked at this country club. You know, we didn't have any money. I guess the teacher salary, five kids, you don't get any money. So I think my dad's last salary as a teacher when he retired back in 87 was 35,000 for the whole year. And I looked at it and said, how do you, how do you have five? How do you have a house? You know, stuff like that. But I worked at this country club and all these guys are pretty wealthy guys. It was a private country club just outside of Minneapolis there. And I would ask these guys, you know, I was 19, 20 years old those summers. And I said, how did you get to where you are? And every one of them said, I failed and I failed and I failed. And this one guy said, well, I'm a 10 year overnight success. So I always say that to people. I'm a 13 year overnight success. So you, you, you, there's a lot of, a lot of, you know, LA is called the city of angels, right? Los Angeles, but it's really the city of broken dreams. And it really is. I look at the number of people I studied with three coaches over, over a period. I mean, I only started with three during that time period before I got Hercules. And I think there's only, there's only about a half a dozen that really made a great career. I mean, my last acting class that I was in, I had Brad Pitt in my class before he became Brad Pitt. I had Matthew Perry in my class and Charlotte Ross. And I mean, it was an amazing class to see where people were came out of, but I look at other classes. It was weird. There was one class that took by the acting coach. His name's Richard Brander. And Richard, what I liked about him, you got to work every day. You have to work every time to come, you came into class. He always got to get up there and do something. And he, one of his former students was Kevin Costner and Costner came into the classroom to speak to us. He was filming the bodyguard, my bodyguard at that time, the bodyguard with Whitney Houston at that time. And he came in and talked to the class and he comes in and the first thing he said is, nice to meet y'all. I just, I don't want to disappoint y'all, but none of you are going to have success in this business. And I totally understood what he said, what he meant, but you can see the air just go out of the room, you know, but he talked for the next two hours, took some questions and stuff like that. At the end of the class, I walked up to him and I said, I know exactly what you meant when you said that, but I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to make it. And he goes, well, it's good for you. So flash forward, I get Hercules a few years later. And by season three, we're the most watched TV show in the world, 176 countries. I get invited by Kevin Costner, Prince Albert to play in a golf tournament in Monte Carlo. Now I'm going to have a golfer, I golf all the time. So I happen to have that time off. I had like, I had like a 10 day break on, on Hercules. They had some major rewrite they want to do. So I flew from New Zealand to Monte Carlo and I'm on the range when I got over there. As soon as I got off the plane, I had to do something because I was jet lagged. I'm hitting some balls and Costner walks up to me and he goes, it's been so good to hear you, Kevin Costner. I said, hey, you studied Richard Brandon's class years ago. And you came in and talked to the classroom, to the bodyguard. And he looks at me and goes, yeah, I did do that. That's right. Yeah. And I said, and you said this, and he goes, wait a minute, you're the guy who came up to me and said, you're going to make it. And I said, I'm the guy. He said, congratulations. Welcome to the, welcome to the team. You know, so it was kind of cool. It was, it was, it was a neat moment. And, uh, I'm bugging them now because I just shot a movie up in Montana where they were last film, their last episodes of Yellowstone. And I said, dude, give me a three short, make me a bad guy. Kill me. I don't care. I want to be on Yellowstone. So I'm working on it. [Speaker 3] (11:06 - 11:19) Real quick. It makes me real quick. It just makes me think of, you just have to have that belief in yourself. And the story of Tom Brady on the first day of training camp, he goes up to, he goes up to Robert Kraft and he's like, I'm gonna be the best decision you ever made. I mean, look at that 20 years later. [Speaker 1] (11:19 - 14:30) And I guess he was. Yeah. I guess he was, which is amazing. But yeah, I mean, but that's what it is. I mean, it's, it's, it's, I used to bug my agent all the time. I, I already had my side car before I moved out here. So that was a big win. I mean, I, Minneapolis is host to, is home to a lot of national businesses, headquarters for Best Buy and Target, Honeywell, 3M, uh, Pillsbury, General Mills. So I, I did a bunch of commercials before I moved out there. I had this Screen Actors Guild card. So it was easy for me to get a commercial agent. I knew that would be no problem because I had a great reel with about 20 commercials on it already. So that part was easy. Um, but the rest of it was like, you know, you bet you need to go to New York. You need to do theater. You need to, I said, what's how many, how many credits does Tom Cruise have on Broadway? You know, I mean, I looked at stuff like that. I said, you don't have to go through theater in New York city to have success. Um, look, all the actors in Canada have, have a career because Hollywood moved up there. And part of the, um, the requirements to shoot in Canada. Okay. We'll give you a better tax credit. We'll give you another dollar exchange because our dollars week and years, but you have to use 75% of the cast has to be from Canada. Well, a lot of Canadians became famous because of that. So they were, they were at the right place at the right time. When I was in LA, you know how tough it is. I mean, it's tough and you walk in a room and you're going, oh my gosh, okay. This is, you know, 80 guys in here, you know, and they're going to pick two. So, um, my agent, every time I, on the breakdown service, when I found out about something I was right for, I'd call them up. I drove him crazy. I would call at least three times a week, dude, I should be going for this. They're going to that. So finally one day he said, Kevin, I got a hundred other clients. I said, you know what? Your hundred clients don't give a crap about me. Okay. And I don't give crap about them. Let me have the chance to be rejected. Just let me have the chance to get the door. Because this was before cell phones, you know, this back in the late eighties and, you know, I had a pager, but it drove me crazy living as you know, living in Santa Monica, just to drive in universal takes an hour and a half to go 16 miles. Yeah. So I've so many times where I'd have castings all day. Then I'm five minutes from home and I get, oh, they want you to have a call back, back at, you know, such and such a lot over in studio city. You're going, okay. And then you get back and just turn around and go again, you know, and, and still not get the job. But, uh, you put a lot of miles in and I've always told people, I said, every actor can write the same book of all the frustrations. We really have the same thing. And I said that when I went later, go talk to acting classes in LA. And I say, how many of you, after you do an audition, get on your, get in your car back in the one-on-one and you bite your steering wheel and go, why did I do it that way? You're mad at yourself said you have to get to a point where you just go, they don't pick me. It's their loss. And that's when it really started working for me. I said, boom, I'd let it go. And I started working more and getting called, call back on TV shows and movies. I did a couple of pilots before I got Hercules that I got to lead in. So things started changing when I got able to like meet with Steven Spielberg or Sequest. I got to drive in park right next to his, I didn't have to be in the 17th floor of some building at universal lot, you know, walk, walk six blocks. I said, okay, things are changing a little bit. I can know, I noticed just a little change of getting treated a little bit differently. [Speaker 2] (14:30 - 14:37) Yeah. Why do you think we're losing that level of resilience as younger generations come through and come up? [Speaker 1] (14:38 - 17:30) What do you mean the resilience? Oh, because they all want to be famous right away nowadays. I mean, the internet and the, and all these, these apps and tech toxins, this is a wild West right now. And they all want to be famous right away without putting the effort into it and putting a time into it. And it just doesn't work that way. And I think, I think college education for people get a real degree. I mean, what's a degree in 17th century French literature or something? What, what is that going to get you people? I think people need to, I'm not going to say this because people say that to me. Well, you always have, you know, your degree to fall back on. I said, no, no, no, that's just, that's just fuel the fire for me even more. But I look at people going to college now, and it's all about, well, it's indoctrination. It's crazy what's happening in college. I never had teachers tell me who to vote for. I never had teachers tell me to believe in God or not believe in God. We have such crazy, the last 30 years from kindergarten all through universities, now it's just, it's worse and worse every year, but that's a whole nother topic we can talk on. But I think that plays into the fact that kids just give up quicker now. If they're not successful right away, it's your fault. It's God's fault. It's a God I don't believe in his fault. It's my parents, you know, I quit, let the government take care of me now. And I think this has kind of been a spread of all the anger we're seeing in all our cities around the world right now. I think there's just so much, you know, I don't want to try anymore, you know, and people just give up and there's their answers to attack people that haven't had success. This is what happens when victimhood is rewarded. Yeah. Yeah. No, everybody gets a trophy, you know, it's crazy right now. It's, it's, it's, I feel bad for my kids and what they got coming down the pipeline for them. But I mean, it's, it's nuts what the world has happened to the world right now. And, you know, in the, in our, we just had that election recently, once I get more voter fraud, but if, if, if the voting was decided between 18 years old and 30 years old, we'd be a full on communist country right now. They actually believe communism is a good thing. And I'm going, wow, there's an, they're not that there's uneducated there. There's ignorance there. There's stupidity there. I mean, communism and socialism killed a hundred million, hundred million people in the last century. And there's, they have no idea of what they're talking about. We're tearing down statues in America. What country hasn't had good, good and bad history? Every country does. Every country does. And to sit there and say that America, I mean, we are destroying the American dream. People are attacking you now for being successful, which is crazy to me. They'd rather everybody be the same. We're not all the same. That's why every once in a while you get a Tiger Woods come along and a Michael Jordan, which motivates other people. Like I want to be like Mike, you know, people want to work hard, but now, now we get attacked for wanting to do that. But I think there's a tipping point. I think people are finally starting to wake up because there's wokeness and cancel culture. BS is just ridiculous. It's so stupid and infantile, but we're like, we're letting them, we're letting children run the insanity asylum right now. It's nuts. [Speaker 3] (17:31 - 17:34) Yeah. And adults with child psychologies running things as well. [Speaker 1] (17:35 - 18:01) Oh yeah. Oh, sure. It is. Look at the teachers out there. Most of them under 40 years of age that are just, Oh my God. I said, are you kidding me? Really? This is where we're at right now. I mean, it's just, it's, it's unbelievable. And teachers want to be like, well, I'm going to be cool and hip like my students. No, my dad wore a suit and tie every day to teach seventh and eighth graders, but it's so boom, I'm the boss, I'm the one in charge and I'm here to be professional. So I, I was, I was impressed with him that he did that. [Speaker 2] (18:04 - 18:23) So since 2020, you've really obviously stood out because of your values, right? But have those, have the, have those values always been there? Have you always questioned, I guess, the potential of government overreach and government tyranny, or was that something that you decided to really step into once you saw what was really looming when 2020 came around? [Speaker 1] (18:23 - 20:32) No, it was before that, way before that. I started getting very vocal and I never backed down from it. When people said things in the set that I thought were just stupid, I wouldn't say it out loud to them, but I individually, I had Paul Margo. Why did you say that? What, what, what, where's your, where's your evidence of that? It's like the labels they want to throw around now. You're racist, you're a homophobe. I love it when people find I'm a conservative and they go, oh, you're, you're, you're, you hate gays. And I'm going, okay, I've been in the business 40 years. I got, I've worked with gay people in every movie set and TV show I've ever done. Find one that says I was horrible. Find one because they won't, but they love their labels because that's about the, the, the level of their education. They just take the talking points from, from, you know, MSNBC. And then they go, you're anti-Semite. Really? I don't think so. You're a Nazi. Oh, really? Okay. That's interesting too. They love putting those labels out there, but I got vocal back in 2010 on the internet when it became, you know, it was there. So I started saying stuff. My wife said, you better look out. They're going to take you down. I said, but I'm posting the truth. I'm saying the truth. Sure enough, my agent manager called me and I was with ICM for many years. And I said, we can't work with you anymore. And I said, well, why? And I said, well, because you're, you know, the studios, you're Christian, you're conservative. I'm going, wow. And you're the ones who scream for tolerance and they do. They scream for tolerance forever. Be tolerant of what we're doing. Be tolerant, have tolerance. But it's a one-way street with these guys. They're hypocrites. And they, they don't, they don't care. The last four or five years, they are blatant about their hypocrisy. They don't care. They could give a crap that they're lying, that they're, you know, do as I say, but not as I do mentality. I mean, look at all these bozos over there right now talking about climate change. They all flew over there in private airplanes. You know, it's like, it's like these A-listers that come out every time there's a shooting somewhere. We got to get rid of guns. These are the same guys that just killed a hundred people in their last movie with guns. So, you know, maybe, maybe they should start walking the walk a little bit instead of just, you know, playing this, playing this card that's just so ridiculous. And how many of these guys say they're going to leave if, you know, if Bush gets elected or Trump gets elected? I'm going to Canada. None of them left. None of them left. I keep waiting for them to move. Do you think the country is going to care if you move to Canada? [Speaker 3] (20:33 - 21:10) I don't know. It's just stupid. It's all talk. But you hit the nail on the head in terms of, you know, individuals or a political party or a group that preach so much inclusivity. And it's like, if you have even three degree difference of opinion on something, it's like the rage comes out, the judgment comes out. How dare you? And then again, they throw the labels on there, like, oh, if you're questioning the narrative of the last few years, you're automatically like, like a hardcore right winger or whatever the case may be. They just throw these like, you're a racist, you're a bigot, you're a transphobe. And nothing could be, there's nothing like that. It can't be a critical analysis. [Speaker 1] (21:11 - 22:42) Look at Antifa. They are the fascists. But everything they do is deflection. They push them back on the other side all the time. But everything they blame the right on the left is already guilty of it. I mean, it's a brilliant strategy. And it does seem to be working. But I think some people are waking up. But, you know, we have a government now that is worse than a monarchy back 250 years ago when we started the Civil War. I mean, a revolutionary war against them. But people are just, you know, every time they take an inch, they take an inch, they take an inch, it ends up being a lot over many, many decades. And there's, we have more taxes against us now. What was the taxation of representation? We started taxes in World War I, they never stopped it. And all they have done since is add on more and more and more and more. You literally have to work seven months a year in America, and give that all to the government. They let you keep the other five months, but they know what to do better with your seven months of work than you know what to do with it. When the reality is that they didn't tax us at all. I think things will be pretty darn good. I think people are, this country is still a very giving country and people would help people out. But you know, what happens when you have money to spend? Things get made. Jobs are created. I mean, it's common sense for economics, but they, I mean, it's nuts what Biden did right away. Everything he's done is opposite of what this country should be doing, but they don't care. That's what they want to do. They want to destroy this country. And why? It's all about power. It's all about power and money. And their favorite weapon is fear. They love fear to control our lives. [Speaker 3] (22:43 - 23:36) Yeah. It really is this slow march through the institutions that's been happening for decades. You know, we had the pleasure of interviewing G. Edward Griffin last year, and he's kind of been a legend in the liberty freedom movement. And he did a great interview with ex-KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov. There's an interview from 1984 that I recommend to everyone. And when you watch that interview from back then, it literally makes sense. Like it's happening right now, but people don't see it because it happens little by little by little. It's like the whole analogy of putting like a frog in boiling water, you know, or just having it boil. It's just, they don't notice these incremental shifts and changes. And then on top of it, you have all the media, you have the indoctrination, you have the programming, you have the education. And so people, they can't, they don't realize this. They're losing their ability to have discernment and critical thought at this nuanced level. [Speaker 1] (23:36 - 24:39) Well, apathy is the biggest killer. I really think apathy is what's killing this country and let them kill the world as well. They just, oh, well, what are you going to do? And I've heard many people say that. I go, well, you know, it says we, the people. It's we, the people. We're the ones who are supposed to put people in office to represent us. But they stay in office for 40 years. And it's all about power. How do you become a multi, multi, multi, multi millionaire at a job that pays $140,000 a year? And they all have so much money tucked away. And they manipulate the stock market. They know when the stocks are going up and down. Of course they do. You know, it's just, it's, it's crazy to think that they have, they don't have a foot in that world. So people, how do you wake people up? They have attention span of a gnat now. You see four teenagers out at a restaurant and they're just texting the whole time. They're probably, what are you having to eat? And they're probably texting it to the person across from them. They've lost the art of conversation at all. It's just, it's amazing. But like I said, a lot of this stuff, there's just a dumbing down on purpose. And I do like technology. I'm the first to say it, but it's... [Speaker 3] (24:39 - 24:41) It's an amazing tool. It's an amazing tool. [Speaker 1] (24:41 - 24:42) No question. [Speaker 2] (24:44 - 24:49) Yeah. Was there, was there like a turning point where you noticed like the wokeness really ramped up in Hollywood? [Speaker 1] (24:52 - 27:54) I don't know the exact reasons why, but it's certainly in the last, in the last, I think when Trump got elected, that's when it started kicking in and just got even worse and worse. Here's president Trump. Here's a guy that the left used to love. I mean, he was on all the talk shows. He was, I mean, he was, he was universally like thought as a funny, goofy, great guy, smart guy, obviously, but just a great guy to know. The minute he threw his hat in the right side to run for that, they just turned on him. It was unbelievable the way they turned on him. And I'm going, well, wait a minute, here's a businessman. I've always said, I've always said, get rid of politicians. I want a businessman to run the country. And I've said that way before Trump threw in his hat and he, he, everything he said he was going to do though, he did. I mean, you honest to people, college students honestly believe when Biden said, we'll make sure you never have to pay your student loan back. Really? And so the guy who's a plumber working his butt off for his family, make, make an $85,000 a year. He's got to pay for the four years you to party and go to college football games. That's our job now is to do that. And it's, it's not going to happen. You can make that promise. I told the next politician, promise everybody free pie. Everybody under 40 will vote for you. Just everybody gets free pie. You never have to pay for it. You don't have to do it. Just say it. Because when you got a trillion dollar bank account sitting there waiting for you to use as a governor, as a, as a president, you'll say anything and do anything for that kind of power. Cause I, when they, when people like, well, Trump had such an ego, like Obama didn't have an ego. Any president of any country doesn't have an ego. Justin Trudeau, I mean, you know, Fidel's son up there in Canada doesn't have an ego. I mean, it's just, it's, it's so bizarre to make that kind of statement because it's only because it's hate, but yeah, I post Facebook took me down two years ago for posting the truth. I can say the same stuff now. They wouldn't be able to take me down because everything I said was true. And I posted on Twitter. I said, I need more conspiracy theories because all of mine came true. So, I mean, it's, it's a weird battle out there we have to have, but these people, these people hate themselves. If I could do a, if I could do a documentary on them, talking one by one, these are people who look in the mirror and hate who they are. They hate their life. They're probably from broken families. They're probably, there's probably violence in the past or alcoholism or drugs or something. And along comes a guy like George Soros. They could probably collect an unemployment off our tax dollars, all that stuff mixed together and their family, it's gang members, it's gang members. I mean, they, and they walk around the streets and they attack buildings and private and businesses. And they, they attack people in these businesses with tire irons and baseball bats and they're killing people. And we'd let that go on for a whole summer. Mostly peaceful, mostly peaceful. Things are blown up behind them. CNN guy said, there's a mostly peaceful cop cars on fire, buildings, you know, people, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it, it is amazing to me that people aren't looking at that and seeing the ridiculousness in it all. But I don't know, I'm hoping people wake up, the sheep are going to be the sheep. I'm hoping the lions wake up. [Speaker 2] (27:54 - 28:10) Yeah. We're all about, we're all about wakening lions. That's for sure. Yeah. They're, they're around and they are waking up and that's the reason why we're still able to do what we do, you know, because there's more and more, there's people coming around and seeing, seeing through the veil for sure. But on the, on that note, what does make you hopeful? [Speaker 1] (28:12 - 32:11) That I, that I'm starting to see people come around. I'm starting, I mean, on the last three years on movie sets, I've had, whether it's an actor, whether it's a camera guy, whatever, come up to me privately and say, hey, thanks for being a voice for us. So that gives me hope at least, okay, if there's more out there, if I say, why don't you be a voice for yourself? Well, I don't want to get blacklisted. I do. I said, yeah, no, yeah, you know what? I'm not going, I'm not reading for Tom Cruise movies anymore. Okay. But I'm still making movies. You know, I've been shooting four or five movies a year for the last 10 years. And are they all great? No, some of them are pretty sucky, but I like to stay busy and work. But most of them have very good messages. And they have messages of hope, of, of, of laughter and love and forgiveness and redemption and things like that. I'm not a prude in any way. I'm, I'm, I'm fine doing, I mean, I just did a vampire, I did a vampire movie that's going to come out later this year that I shot last year for Montana. And I just played a 700 year old, I mean, I played 700 year old vampire, but I play a zombie movie I shot in Montana. And they were fun. They were fun scripts, something different for me to do, you know, but I, for the most part, I want to do movies that Hollywood used to do. Where the good guy is the good guy. The 60s changed everything in America. When you had the Vietnam War, you had the civil rights thing going, you know, racial tension, you had the free love, the hippies, the rock and roll really just exploded. And it's just, everything changed. Hollywood started making movies that they made the, the bad guy, the hero, the anti-hero became the cool guy to be. The guy that had a chip on his shoulder and the guy that broke the law and stuff like that. And they do it all the time now. And you see the stuff they're doing now. I mean, they've got an agenda. They're just shoving it down your throat, every single movie, every television show now, it's like, okay, enough is enough. And what gave me hope is to see all the people that dropped out of Netflix and Disney. They said, okay, you're going to keep making stuff like this? I'm not going to put this in front of my family. Because I get stopped all the time by people and saying, please make more movies like you're doing, like God's Not Dead and Let There Be Light and Soul Surfer. I'm going, I'm making them, but you guys got to support them. I mean, I got one of those coming out here Thursday, January 26. I got my next movie opening in 1500 screens. And it's called Left Behind Rise of the Antichrist based on the Left Behind books that sold 80 million copies. And the last one was eight years ago, Nicolas Cage. I took over the role that Nicolas Cage was in and directed this one as well. One of the writers passed away, Tim LaHaye, but Jerry Jenkins is still alive. His son, Dallas Jenkins, did a little thing called The Chosen, which is massive around the world right now. And Jerry Jenkins said this is by far and away the best left behind movie based off the books I've seen yet. And it's perfect for what's happening in our world right now. Because the writers up in Cloud 10, based up in Toronto, they totally did a rewrite and brought in the pandemic. They brought in the social media crap. They brought in the government, talking about one world government, one currency, all this stuff, because they're talking about it now. So this is very current. And it feels like with all the anger and all the violence, it feels like the book of Revelation is going to come true pretty soon. And my wife jokes, she goes, I think the rapture happened already. And God just looked at the whole planet and said, oh, forget it. It's lost. It's thrown away. Are you doing any LA screenings? Any Los Angeles screenings? If they go to leftbehindmovie.com, leftbehindmovie.com, and all you got to do is show us the trailer and then put in your zip code. And yeah, we got a number of theaters in the LA area. So we're in 1,500 screens. So we're very excited. But those people that say keep making these movies, I'm making them. But I don't have $100 million James Cameron Avatar budget to promote it and be on every football game with a trailer. In fact, I've been doing 13, 14 interviews every single day for the last three weeks. So it's really just word of mouth to get it out there, because that's what happened with God's Not Dead. That was like crazy, a little $2 million movie. That's incredible. Yeah. And that was just word of mouth. And we need that. But I'm doing the best I can to get it out to different markets right now and saying, please tell your churches, tell your schools, you know what I mean? Because if anything, schoolchildren should see this movie. They need to wake up. [Speaker 3] (32:13 - 32:26) Yeah. Do you find that you have that experience often where a lot of people that are in Hollywood that message you or email you and say, hey, thanks for speaking out on the same page as you, but yeah. [Speaker 1] (32:27 - 33:45) I get a lot. I get things. TurboStudios.com, people can reach me there. And you get the trolls saying stuff too. I don't care. Trolls don't bother. These are, like I said, these are lonely people. They're 35-year-olds living in their mom's basement. They're very brave at two in the morning. And I know there are comic cons because they're like somebody else. They walk by my table and probably flip me off, but they don't come up to my table. I'm more than happy to debate anybody. I'm happy to talk and chat. But like I said, all they want to do is be angry and have violence. Because like I said, they do not like where they are in their world. And it's your fault and my fault that they are the way they are apparently. So we got to take care of them and make sure that their lives are a little more safe. But it's just sad. I get all the time. I post on Twitter and I get attacked by all these little trolls. But then all my followers, I got about 1.6 million on that now. But I had over 4 million on Facebook when they took me down. But I don't care anymore. I'm done. I'm going to keep posting my little sarcastic stuff on Twitter. And I post stuff like, if you want to get rid of COVID, tell the Clintons COVID's got something on them. They'll mysteriously commit suicide. So it's, it's just, it's, I don't know. I think on one post, I just went the jab and I got like, I don't know, 1.5 million hits. Just the jab. [Speaker 2] (33:47 - 34:08) That's hilarious. Do you think that there's like a potential for, I guess, more conservative actors and people within Hollywood to like birth a kind of non-woke opposition to what's taking place? Is there some kind of hub or collective of people that share more conservative values coming together? [Speaker 1] (34:09 - 38:01) There was a group of guys back in like 2000, 2005, that formed a group called FOA. FOA means Friends of Abe. And they kind of stole that idea from the gay community where they go, are you friends of Dorothy? To find out if you're gay or not from the Wizard of Oz. So we went Friends of Abe for a blink in our first Republican president. And we actually built up to about 2,500 strong. We had meetings. There was a big ranch meeting every year out at the ranch out in Thousand Oaks. We'd have, you know, really big speakers, you know, like Dennis Miller would be there, Jon Voight would speak. And we had a lot of political people show up and it was great, you know, cause you walk into a room and you go, you too. It was like an AA meeting for conservatives. But it gave us hope that there's more people in the industry, but Hollywood has made it so bad for people that you can't open your mouth. And I opened my mouth and I don't regret it. That's fine. And I'm sad that Hollywood has done what they've done, you know, to me, but more how they feel. Cause it's weird to me. I did a movie called Let There Be Light. And Let There Be Light, I directed it, came out in 2017. It did very well, $2.3 million budget, stayed in theaters for four months. And I get a call opening weekend on the Monday afterwards, cause we opened up number two per screen average against a $300 million Thor Ragnarok that opened the same weekend. So here's a big movie with a hundred million dollars advertising budget. And here's our 2.3 million. We had about a million dollars to put in there to advertise it. And Netflix calls me up and says, Hey, you've got a huge following in this world. We're thinking about opening an inspirational division here at Netflix if you come speak with us. So this is before I moved out of California. So I went to their offices there in West Hollywood, Hollywood area, and had like four meetings over three months with them. And I could tell by the fourth meeting, I don't know if it was lip service or what, but I said, you guys need to get past your ideology and hate towards people who are conservative and conservative or Christian. Cause I guess apparently you have to be like a double leper in Hollywood. But I said, there's 80 million homes out there that wants this product. You are called show business, not show show. You can scream that you love socialism, but you are a capitalist business. Netflix is in the business and all other studios of making money. Let's not kid ourselves about that. So it's weird that they wouldn't pull a trigger because I'm sure there was some within the company that did because my last meetings were like 12 of the people there. They were all very nice to me. It wasn't antagonistic or anything like that. And I just, I was very matter of fact. And I said, let's just try it for a little while. Let's do a couple of movies I've done. I mean, that I scripts, I have a couple of great ideas for TV shows that I've gotten from other people, great scripts. They're not touched by an angel and not by you better believe in God. You're going there. They're, they're, they're good like blind side type of thing, right? The message is there, but it's not in your face and they still wouldn't do it. And I know there's someone there that would do it because if I email a couple of them, they'll leave them back right away. Yeah. Yeah. You know, send us that script. We'll take a look at it. They don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. But I I'm hoping there's a softening with this, with this stuff now with all this canceled culture and this was, it just, people are sick of it. People are sick. Pronouns. I got, I got thrust my family all the time. And I posted on Twitter. I said, if any of you ever hurt my family, your pronouns will be pinata. That's what you're going to be. So it's just a trust me. We are second amendment people in this house. We got, we're loaded for bear. We got, we got a shooting gallery right here on my, in my yard outside my boys. I'm a good shot. My boys are better than me, but we will protect ourselves. Trust me. [Speaker 3] (38:01 - 38:23) I love it. Even, even like the sensible liberals that I know that maybe have certain opinions that I wouldn't agree with. They're, they're not down with the woke shit. Some of them, the ones that I talked to there, I have conversations and they're just like this pronoun shit, this agenda being pushed. Yeah. Maybe they got the vaccine. Maybe that maybe they aligned with the COVID narrative, but they're just not about this. And so I think more and more people are getting tired of it personally. [Speaker 1] (38:24 - 39:11) Yeah. I mean, I'm feeling that too. I'm glad it is because more people are speaking up on it because it's just, to sit there and appease this group of people that are just whack jobs to begin with. It's enough already. Okay. We gave you your 15 minutes. You're done. Move on. Cause it's, we got to get better because right now, and if you, and if you don't like the country, they say, I don't know how many, you know, tens of millions hate America, then move, then move. If it's so fricking great, another country, no one's taking boats from Key West to Cuba. No one in America is rushing the Mexican border to get to Mexico. I keep saying, go to North Korea, go to Venezuela. Your utopia awaits, you know? So I don't know. It's just, it's absolutely crazy. But Joel, are you, are you in Australia? Where are you at? Yeah, man. I'm near Sydney, about an hour South of Sydney. Yeah. I mean, look what they did. You guys during COVID. [Speaker 2] (39:12 - 39:28) It's insane. Yeah. It is insane. I've been hunted by the cops. I copped four individual public health order fines for, for breaches, for not wearing a mask, for breaking a curfew, for sitting in the park, eating a cucumber during a time where you're only supposed to be outside if you were training or going to the gym. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (39:29 - 40:02) And that's what you need to be outside. I mean, they did that. They did that in California. You know, they're arresting people surfing by themselves. There's COVID down there. But there's no COVID in strip clubs in America. Strip clubs are essential and so are liquor stores, but don't go to church. If you go to church, don't sing. I mean, look, I got a book out there called True Strength and it's my journey from Hercules, the mere mortal, and how nearly dying saved my life. At the end of season five on Hercules, I lived there near you. I was down in New Zealand for seven years, loved it there. I had an aneurysm, a period I didn't know about that blew up my body. I suffered a series of strokes. Took me three years to fully recover. [Speaker 3] (40:02 - 40:02) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (40:02 - 41:24) Took me four months to learn how to walk and balance again. And I sit there and look what I had to go through with that. I ended up doing a lot of speaking events, which I wasn't ready for that, but I go, well, this is kind of cool. I spoke to so many doctors and I continue to speak. The last three years speaking to so many doctors at my speaking events. I probably talked to at least 500 face-to-face because when I do speaking events, anywhere from 500 to 3,000 people at the events I go at. And I'll say, masks, what about them? And they all say, dude, they're useless. They do nothing to stop. They all say it. They admit it. We know it. But once again, it's fear. And I go six feet apart. They all say, made up. If you really don't want to get a cold, you got to be 20 feet apart at least. We can't live like 20 feet apart. I mean, it's just, it was crazy. I just saw finally the New Zealand prime minister is stepping down. Apparently, thank God. Thank God. I mean, crazy, crazy communism stuff. I've lost friends in New Zealand because that's, they believe for her. And I said, really? And that we can't talk anymore. I'm going to see here once again, they have no tolerance for another point of view. And that's just sad to me. And it's childish at the same time, by the way, I live down in a, I've shot a couple of movies in Sydney, in Melbourne and I lived in, I lived on Bondi beach for eight months at one time. Wow. Loved it. It was the site of the 2000 Olympics. That's where the beach volleyball. But I had, I had a blast anyway. It was, it was a good time for me. [Speaker 2] (41:25 - 41:37) Yeah, man. I, I love Australia. I adore this country, but you know, personally for me, I'm actually moving to Mexico. So United States citizens might not be going to Mexico, but for me, it seemed like a good option right now. [Speaker 1] (41:37 - 42:27) Yeah. But you can just walk across the border. We'll give you everything you need right there. We'll give you a cell phone. We'll give you a, we'll take care of you. I mean, Trump's only let 5 million across the border in two years. Trump let 1.4 million in four years. Where are we? We'll have 10 million people in this country before Biden's finally out of office. Where are we going to put 10 million people and what kind of jobs are they going to do? I mean, it's, it's just, it's, it's insane what we're doing. And we, and we were energy independent while he cut that off too. I got, we got Calgary up there saying we have 800,000 barrels a day. We're ready to give it to America. And Biden's going, no, I'd rather buy from my enemies. Here's the biggest thing. I don't know why we give billions of dollars every year in our taxpayers money to countries that hate us when they could just hate us for free. You know what I mean? It's crazy. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (42:30 - 42:35) What, what are you excited about next with your career? I know you got some more movies coming out, but like, what's the vision for you? [Speaker 1] (42:36 - 44:48) I'm going to keep plugging away, doing what I'm doing. I mean, I hope people will see the, I hope, I think my movie is going to get down to Australia. I hope it does. I think they mentioned Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, a couple of other places, but I got the Reagan movie coming out in the summer with Dennis Quaid. He and I worked on Soul Server together years ago as well, which was a blast. I've got another movie I directed called Miracle in East Texas. Two stories set in 1930 about the largest oil fund in the history of the world back in Kilgore, Texas, right in the heart of depression. I shot, I shot all three of those movies at 2021. Last year, I shot five more movies. So those will be out late this year, next year. I just finished shooting a movie. Now I got another movie. I'll be in LA actually coming up, coming up soon to shoot a movie there. I'm shooting a movie in Dubai this year in Thailand. So I'm staying busy. You know, I'm, I'm still doing, if I find a script that I like and somebody, you know, has a real offer, I'm ready to do it. Cause I've, I've got about 20 scripts that I want to do that I read through the years that I, at one time there was like 30 of them. Now we've done 10. So I got 20 more. I'm trying to raise money for, but I get, you know, every week, every, I get at least five people at the Sorbo Studios site saying, I got a great script. And I go, are you funded? No. Well then talk to me later. You know, cause I just don't have the energy. I have enough of my own stuff going on right now, but I got, I've got, I do about 12 to 15 speaking events a year over the last 11, 12 years. That's been amazing thing. Still doing some comic cons, but I've been, I've been banned from some comic cons now because of the woke stuff. I was supposed to be in Australia in November. I was going to come down there. The guy that runs it, good guy, conservative guy. And he says, now we got about 20 males and people saying, if he shows up, we're going to do this or that. And I said, fine, let them do it. Let's, let's see if it happens. It'd be great publicity for you, but no, he canceled me. I said, so you're letting these wimps, these cowards, uh, stop me from coming down there and making money and being, and seeing the fans. Cause last time I came to Australia, we did, I've done like cons down to three times through the last 15, 20 years or whatever, but I did, I did Perth and Adelaide and I had lines a mile long. They were so happy that we were down there. Everybody was, fans were great. Cause Hercules certainly was a huge hit in Australia as well. Right. It was massive in Australia. I grew up watching Hercules. [Speaker 2] (44:49 - 44:55) It was one of the first TV series I really remember being into as a young boy, you know, and yeah, it had a huge impact. [Speaker 1] (44:56 - 45:24) So it's just, it's unfortunate to let the smallest minority of people control not only what I'm able to do and things like, cause I like comic cons. I like meeting the fans because I actually spend time with each one and talk to them and I'll just sign and have them move on, you know, but, uh, it's, it's too bad, but, um, you know, I, I have booked about another five of those this year as well. So it's still good. That's still good. I'm staying busy. I'm still doing, going to keep doing movies. Cool. Can you talk about the sword behind you a little bit? [Speaker 3] (45:24 - 45:25) I'm just curious. [Speaker 1] (45:25 - 46:06) This was on the very last day after seven years of filming, um, Hercules after we finished the last scene, which I got to do with Bruce Campbell, by the way, they're my, my good buddy, Bruce and, um, uh, the props department, which, cause my whole crew went on to work in Lord of the Rings, by the way, I don't, people know that we were like a training ground for a lot of New Zealander crews. So all the weather guys, I mean, all our special effects, the crop, I mean, Nyla Dixon, the costume, she won best costume designer for Lord of the Rings, but this was a sword they gave me. And it says Kevin Sorbo, um, the years of Hercules, 1993 through 1999. Um, the journey's over, but the legend lives on. So it's kind of cool inscription on there. [Speaker 2] (46:06 - 46:33) Very cool. Kevin, one of the main things that obviously, you know, people are waking up to now and are really concerned about is like the programming in movies for kids coming out of Disney, you know, for toddlers, et cetera, et cetera. Um, like what advice do you have for parents trying to navigate that? I mean, you can't just stop your kids from watching TV and movies altogether. Um, and navigating that whole kind of conundrum. [Speaker 1] (46:34 - 49:44) Well, I think, I think one of the blessings of COVID, um, is that 2 million more families in America are now homeschooling. They woke up and I think, I think a lot of parents knew our public education. I think we're ranked like 27th or 28th in the world. It's pretty pathetic. This is America, you know, but once public education came in, cause really everybody's homeschooled for the most part. I mean, public education wasn't around in the 1800s, you know, so, um, Abe Lincoln was homeschooled for crying out loud. So our founding fathers were homeschooled, but, uh, they, they looked at the public school system cause they really reared their ugly head and they put it out in public to show how horrible they are and the indoctrination they're doing from kindergarten on. And people finally just said, wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't be using the public school system as a babysitting service for our children. Maybe we should look at what's going on in school boards. Then they found the school boards even worse. In my state of Florida, um, 12 of the 15 largest school boards have been completely replaced by conservatives by the, by a vote. It wasn't just like the governor coming and saying this, they had a vote and they voted all these people out because they want to teach, teach critical race theory that being white is horrible. You're the evil people of the world. You know, um, I think, I think a lot of these, a lot of these idiots think that, uh, America's only countries had slaves and, uh, that's, you know, that we're, we're the only, slavery is still going on. The Muslims do a lot, have a lot of slaves. Africans have a lot of slaves. When we got our slaves, we got them from black slave traders in Africa for crying out loud. I think Britain was one of the first countries to get rid of slavery, uh, in the early 1800s. America didn't do it until 1865 when the, you know, civil war started and everything. But, um, everybody knows slavery is horrible and it's evil, but to sit there now, I mean, California, San Francisco, I don't know if you've heard this. I just, I just saw it a couple of days ago, wants to, anybody can prove that they are descendants of slaves. So their great, great, great grandfather was a slave. Um, they will pay them $5 million plus was it $95,000 a year for life. I heard something like that. If I'm a black person living in Florida, I'm moving to San Francisco. It's just through five minutes. Where's that money coming from? The whole idea that we have to apologize to people that are living in this country, living in, in, in what used to be the best country in the world in terms of opportunity. Cause I look out of in Canada, I love Canada. I was up there, you know, five years shooting Andromeda, but Canada and America became independent roughly the same time in the mid to late 1700s. We're 350 million people now. They're at 30 million. How come they haven't grown the way we've grown? How come this country has exploded in growth when they have a landmass just as much because it's cold most of the time, but still I'll come there. I won't get 30 million people, but we've grown the way because they're very socialist. But when I lived up there, the people I met pretty capitalist guys, they believe in capitalism, pretty independent, but it's, it's, it's, it's funny that people just don't, they don't look at it and just don't get it. [Speaker 2] (49:44 - 50:07) And I don't think they don't, they don't think like, where do they think this money comes from? Like who do they, who do they think is paying for it? Like, this is just like, but no one, no one's taught. No one's taught anything anymore. So it's like, it's such a far reach for someone even to put two and two together to think, Oh, there's other, there's other people paying for this, not just magically coming out of the government, you know, we have a common core math in America. [Speaker 1] (50:07 - 50:19) So you can, you actually can say two plus three equals five. And if you explain how you got to that, they accept that as, so I can't wait for the engineers of the future. I'm trying to figure out why the bridges keep falling down. It's just, it's crazy. [Speaker 3] (50:20 - 51:43) We're living in a world or in a society now that if you're a kid and you identify as a cat, they will put a litter box in the bathroom. I mean, if that doesn't say at all about where we are psychologically, um, as a society, then I don't know what does it, even from the mental illness, mental illness. And it's again, speaking of like mental illness or psychology, what do you, what happens to a kid's self-esteem or their development when they're, when they're young and they're white and they're told they're these horrible oppressors or when they're, they're black and they're told that they've been oppressed. Like what does that do to an individual psyche? And this is the thing where people don't have this understanding because there is an agenda behind it. And everything we've talked about, if you get to the kids through media indoctrination, through programming, through education, you have them, you have them for life. And this is why I love that. I'm not a father. I know Joel is, but I love that more and more people are like F the public school system. We're going to create our own little pods. And what's amazing to see is when you see the shit hit the fan, there are people that go, okay, great. What are we going to do now? How can we, how can we stand up? How can we grow? How can we come be more empowered and create the life we want to create? I think we've got, I think for many, many years, everyone got comfortable, you know, uh, in, in, in our society. And now people are like, okay, we got to make some shifts and some changes. And it's nice to see that happening. [Speaker 1] (51:43 - 56:39) Well, that's the levels of civilization, right? You're going to look at the Roman empire, the Egyptian empire, all this stuff, they built up, build up and you get that level of, of total success and being comfortable. And then it all comes tumbling back the other way. And, you know, I look at this stuff's going right now, uh, this whole thing of pushing genders on people, the whole thing is saying, if you're a little boy, you feel like a girl, you can be a girl. If you want let people decide for themselves when they get older to put this stuff on five, six, seven, eight year olds is crazy to push on and parents are even doing it, which makes zero sense to me. I, I don't care if you're gay, I don't care if you, okay, you want to, you want to cut off your balls and become a woman now, really? Okay, go for it. But I think what people are tired of is the constant being forced on our throat that we have to, I don't know, agree with it. Maybe they don't agree that I'm straight. I don't care if you're gay. I've never had, I could care less what people do as long as not hurting other people, as long as they're not forcing it down. As a Christian, I'm not saying you better become, you better believe in God. You know, I don't do any of that stuff. I've got atheist friends. I've got liberal friends. We get along fine. We give each other a hard time, golf, have a beer, we're fine. And they get it too, just like I do, except they just have a different point of view, the way they look at things. But I mean, this whole thing now, but the whole gender thing and the pronoun thing, and it's like, enough is enough. I would have left being a teacher a long time ago. My high school, we were the Moundless Tonka Mohawks for over a hundred years. We were the Mohawks, little town of 7,000 people. They changed the name to Whitehawks. So when I was back speaking to the drama class one year, school year, this is 10 years ago. I talked to the principal there, who happened to be Canadian. And I said, why did you change it? Were Native Americans like chanting around the school and hating the name? No, we thought it was the right thing to do. I go, really? So nobody cared. We're the Mohawks. You got the Redskins, they caved, which is weird. And then the Cleveland Indians caved, but you still got the Florida State Seminoles. You still have a lot of big sports names that still have Native American names. And so they're not changing their names. They're not going politically correct. So I told them, so you changed it to Whitehawks. I said, I don't know, it sounds pretty racist to me. And I walked away. This is just so stupid to me. So I'm a Mohawk. I'll always be a Mohawk. I've talked to many Native Americans. I've worked with them. And up in Canada, the golf course I was on was owned by Native Americans. I would ask them, you know, are you offended by sports guys using the names of your tribes? No, we think it's pretty cool. They're not offended by it. So it's this white world now that has been so beaten down. They're the ones who want to apologize forever. I'm sorry that I'm white. Really? Are you sorry? I mean, you look in this country, the poorest people in America live better than most people in developing countries. By far, they live more. Do I wish they had better things going on? Yeah. I want better education for everybody. But the Democrats are the one that keeping them in chains. There's no money in for Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson if black people become successful. And I love the fact that guys that Larry Elder out there, Larry is a good buddy of mine. And then Charles Barkley is a friend. And Charles came out just last month saying we've been voting for the same people for 60 years, guys. Our education is getting worse. Our poverty is getting worse. Maybe we should change something different here. I mean, how many times are you going to walk out the front door and have someone dump a bucket of shit over your head before you say I'm going to start going to the back door? You know, just do something different instead of the same thing over and over again. And I don't know if you remember this at all, but, you know, we had a big thing about African-Americans. They can't show an ID. That's racism. They ask them at voting. And I said, well, how do they get on a plane? Did they just say, no, it's racism? You know, I got all your bombs on me, but you don't have to see an ID from me. I mean, it's the stupidest thing in the world. So a guy who was a black guy, he went down to Harlem last year, interviewed hundreds of locals around there. Do you see that? He said, you got an ID? Yeah, I got an ID. You know, the DMV is, yeah, it's two blacks over there. I mean, they all had IDs. And a couple of guys laughed at it because I don't get why people think that we can't get an ID. And the black people should be upset by that, saying we're telling you as Democrats that you're too stupid to be able to get an ID. That's what we're telling you. And I even had a black actress get my face about it, give me reasons. I just looked at her and I went, OK, this is it was the most dumbest reasons that I don't know. But this is this is the people we're putting up against. And I don't know. I can cure the voter fraud, by the way. You make the voting day one day only. There's no month voting ahead of time. There's no mail in votes. Make it a holiday. You vote on that Tuesday. You show an ID. That's it. Then there's no way you can cheat anymore because it's insane what this country has become. It's a joke. Our court system, I mean, our voting system is is the joke of the world right now. It is. [Speaker 3] (56:39 - 56:49) It's so wild when you think like in Florida, they were able to count the votes so quickly. I mean, states in Arizona, it's going on and on and on. [Speaker 1] (56:49 - 57:07) Mike, you know, Mike Huckabee, I know of him. Yeah, I just did a show a week ago Friday. Terry Lake was on the show with me and she she legitimately won the governorship of Arizona. Yeah, she's great. The other woman, the other woman didn't even want to debate her. And she then and they had all these votes in the middle of the night. Oh, we found more votes, but not for you. [Speaker 3] (57:08 - 57:18) That's why mail in balloting is such a scam, you know, because all you have to do is show up somewhere with a suitcase. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I could. [Speaker 2] (57:18 - 57:21) I think you're almost done with me. Yeah, I'm almost done. [Speaker 3] (57:21 - 57:22) We won't keep you too long. [Speaker 2] (57:22 - 57:27) I know you're busy. Give us some time, Kevin. What's the final words you have for our for our audience here? [Speaker 1] (57:29 - 58:14) Go to Sorbo Studios dot com. It's the best place to go and find out the best biggest bang for your buck. Sorbo Studios dot com. And for those in the States here, you go to my movie this week, left behind movie dot com, left behind movie dot com. Fill it up. Good movie. Good movie for the family. But don't let anyone set your limitations, guys. Don't let anyone tell you what you can and cannot do, especially yourself. You know, crap happens to all of us. We all hit roadblocks in life. Don't react to that by blaming everybody. Look in the mirror and say, OK, it happened. What am I going to do about it? That's what you need to do. Get off. Get off your self-pity phase. You know, it's you got it. You got it. If you want to dream and follow it and go after it hard, don't sit there and blame everybody else if it doesn't come true. God never promised any of us an easy life. That's all I got to say. [Speaker 2] (58:16 - 58:24) Man, what can I say? I really appreciate connecting. I appreciate your time. I wish you the best with the movie release. And I implore my audience to go, if you feel called, to check it out. [Speaker 1] (58:25 - 58:29) Love it. Get down your way again. We'll meet in person, Joel. No doubt, man. [Speaker 3] (58:30 - 58:37) Obviously, look forward to Cross The Pass one day, man. All the best to you. Really appreciate you making the time with us. All right, guys. Take care. Have a good week. Later, man. Take care. [Speaker 2] (58:38 - 59:17) Guys, thanks so much for listening to this podcast. So awesome to chat with the legend of the TV screen and to really connect with someone who's in that world, who's dealt with fame, celebrity status, but stood true to their values, hasn't succumbed to the inversions going on all around us. So just once again, thanks for your support. We really appreciate it. All our other episodes can be found at hereforthetruth.com or at any other podcast provider. If you feel up to it, we'd really appreciate a little rate, review, subscribe from wherever you're watching. Helps little independent podcasts like us continue to do our thing. And yeah, we'll see you next time.