Tom Montalk Exploring Alien Phenomena

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 0:07) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 2] (0:11 - 1:47) What's up guys, welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. I'm Joel Rafiti, I've got my co-host Yerasimos in the house as always. This episode is going to blow your mind. We have Tom Montauk with us today. To me, he is the man to talk to on the subject of aliens, UFOs, ETs. I've been trying to get him on for a long time and now he's agreed and here he is. We just finished recording and we're still in the whirlwind ourselves about the conversation we just had and what we just heard. Right before we bring Tom on, this will be the final week to apply for our group coaching program, Rise Above The Herd. If you're interested, you can head to riseabovetheherd.co and submit an application and learn more about what we're offering so you can reclaim your power, rise into potential and walk a truly authentic path in life. Without further ado, here's Tom. All right, everybody, welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. This is episode 113. We have an incredible guest with us here today, Tom Montauk. Tom is a writer, a scientist, a musician and a lifelong experiencer of the paranormal. He's the author of Montauk.net and has written three books, Fringe Knowledge for Beginners, Discerning Alien Disinformation and Gnosis, Alchemy, Grail, Ark and the Demiurge. After studying physics and electrical engineering for four years, he left college to pursue more independent research. His goal is to help others arm themselves with knowledge to better fulfill their evolutionary potential. Tom, welcome to Here for the Truth, man. [Speaker 1] (1:48 - 1:49) Yeah, thanks for having me on. [Speaker 2] (1:49 - 2:07) Good to be here. Absolute pleasure. One way we really like to always kick these off, especially with new guests, I want to get into a little bit of your backstory, your hero's journey. So could you share a little bit about your upbringing and kind of the major rites of passage that you experienced that really were the catalysts for the main evolutionary moments in your life? [Speaker 1] (2:07 - 12:30) Sure. Yeah. So if you guys visit my website, you'll see that I have quite a bit of interests in the fringe material, fringe science, alien research, occultism, hermeticism, Gnosticism, comparative religion. But where did it all come from? So I remember when I was born, I actually have memories from when I was an infant. And one of the first memories I have is of being in the nursery in the hospital within a couple days after I was born. And I remember crying because I was filled with this deep sense of sadness. It felt like a cross between being orphaned in a foreign nation where you don't know anyone and also being like a soldier being dropped behind enemy lines where you know you have this huge difficult mission ahead of you. So it was a sense of overbearing weight and mission that I remember having when I was only a couple days old. There were a couple other things that I remember from that time, which I later asked my mom about. And she verified that, yeah, that's exactly what you saw correctly. So I don't think these memories were made up. And that's why I consider that particular memory to be genuine. Now, one thing I did have going on very early on, is that my first word wasn't mom or dad, it was ghost. In German, it was the word Geist. And that's because I have memories of being in my crib at night, in the dark, with a little light shining above. And at some point, I would get this weird, creepy feeling. And then all of a sudden, a white, wrinkly, gray looking face would peer over the side of the crib, and look down at me. And it had black eyes, just like a classical gray alien. So you know, I didn't know what it was, I thought it was a ghost. So I would scream Geist at the top of my lungs, and my parents would run in. And by that point, it was gone. But this happened quite a number of times. And things only got worse from there. Because when I was around three, I would actually when it started right around when I was two, I would have these classic alien abduction scenarios that would happen pretty much on a bimonthly basis, you know, every couple of weeks or so. And the way it would always play out is that it would be daytime right around two or 3pm. I'd be in my mom's bedroom. And my mom was there and she told me, you know, she said, Tomas, Tom, stay there, I need to go out into the rest of the apartment and handle some business. And so she would leave the apartment, or she would leave the bedroom and close the door behind her. And then as soon as she did, all of a sudden, my memories of all the previous time that this had happened would start flooding back. And I would start panicking because I knew what was coming next. And what came next is that the door would and in would stream about five, six, possibly eight, classic gray aliens. They were short, I would estimate right around the same height, maybe a little bit taller. So probably around four feet tall. They wore metallic cobalt blue bodysuits. Some of them wore boots. And before that would happen, I knew what was about to happen. So I would either run into the corner and crouch and hide terrified. Or I would take the bed which was spring loaded and I would flip up the front end of it, dive in there into the blanket and pillow compartment. And then kind of like sort of try to shut it behind me, but it couldn't shut all the way because I was in there. And I remember that happening quite a number of times. And I could see out through the crack of the bed. And I could see these beings sweeping back and forth trying to figure out how to get me out of the bed. And a number of times I was in there for it must have been at least five minutes where they must have called someone else possibly a superior. And I remember hearing a voice, not my mom, not my dad, but to me that felt like adults. So I thought that there could have been friends of my parents. And they kind of coaxed me out of there. I don't remember what they looked like, but they sounded human. So you know, a lot of times in UFO abduction reports, there are reports of human like beings being there as well. So it could have been them. And I've had other experiences including one night, I remember watching television with my mom. And I felt like something was watching me from behind me in the dining room area right behind the couch. And so I thought to myself, what could this be? And I kept looking behind me. I didn't see anything. Well, after about four or five times of this, my mom, she, you know, decides to get up and go to the kitchen to get me a snack. So she's in the kitchen. And I realized, oh, shoot, I'm alone by myself. And I felt it again. And I turned around. And there it was. And it was a seven or eight foot tall shadow being with glowing eyes, you know, red, orange colored eyes. I remember it pretty clearly. And it was just staring down at me with utter, utter malice. And I was so scared. I dove beneath the blanket and shrieked like a banshee. And my mom comes running in. She tries to like console me. But I was so I was so freaked out that I thought that she was a monster. So I started kicking her and then she, you know, she she smacked me out of it. And I told her what happened. And I asked her, you know, take me away, carry me into the living room into the bedroom. And so I remember being over her shoulder looking back at the couch as she was carrying me away, and it wasn't there anymore. But I think I sensed something. And by all accounts, if you study your cultism and paranormal activity, it was probably either a shadow person or what they would call something like a demon, you know, it definitely was an alien. So that was my introduction to the world. It was it was dealing with a lot of these strange, crazy experiences. And at the time, my father, he was an he was an electrical engineer. So he was in science, and he and I would have a lot of discussions and playtime involving science things. So I got I got a pretty big interest in science at the time, including taking everything apart, trying to figure out how it worked. You know, Legos, of course, and my dad's science sets. I had a little chemical chemistry set in my bedroom that was littered all over my table. It looked like a meth lab. That's how crazy it was. But you know, so I was into that stuff. I was trying to figure things out. So with this curious mind, I was confronted with this ineffable mystery of what is going on with these paranormal things that are happening, because no one taught me about it. It was it was like being thrown into the deep end of the pool. And so that kind of set the tone for me in the sense of dealing with the things that a lot of people don't think about, and trying to apply scientific curiosity and rigor in unraveling that mystery. So that was the early beginning of my childhood. And it wasn't until I was about 12 or 13 that I got a library card. And I started really digging into this. So this is back in 92, 93. All right. So I read all the UFO books at my local library. And I read all the metaphysics books. I started getting into the physics and engineering as well. And you know, those were my focuses for about four or five years. And right around 2015, I met a guy who ended up becoming my mentor through the mail, like a pen pal. And he started sending me all these books on conspiracy material, alien material, everything that really you couldn't find at my local library. So it was interesting how he just came into my life like that. He was actually he was a retired nuclear engineer. So he was pretty smart. And he himself was very well educated on conspiracy subjects, you know, the alternative. And he would write me these really long letters, trying to teach me wisdom and how to be careful in the face of these types of challenges. So I learned a lot from him. And after that, I went to college for physics and electrical engineering, in order to try to understand how UFO technology worked. I was trying to figure out how to understand and how to build free energy and antigravity devices. So that's why I went to college. But after about four years, I started to realize that the further you go in college, the more the system tries to funnel you into increasingly specific and irrelevant fields. So it tries to specialize you out of out of having a true impact on the world. I mean, especially nowadays, because if you go back in time to like Einstein and Maxwell and all those famous names in physics, they weren't that specific back then, they're a little bit more general. And so they're able to do more. But nowadays, it's like they're trying to pigeonhole everyone into these little tiny boxes, to make sure that they don't, they don't they don't put the pieces together. It's a form of compartmentalization, just like they do in secret government projects, they can compartmentalize everything. And then people, they're not they don't have the cross disciplinary knowledge to put all the puzzle pieces together. So that's why I got out. And I decided to do the rest of my research independently, you know, in my own home lab, reading new textbooks, my old textbooks, and just kind of teaching myself the rest of what I wanted to learn instead of learning all these, all these irrelevant things. Yeah, and then created my website a couple years before that. And I've networked with probably about 15,000 people at this point over the past 20 years. And most of them shared with me their personal paranormal experiences, their research. And all of it helped me, it provided more and more dots for me to connect. So over time, things just start to congeal, they start to form patterns. And using my scientific background, I was able to sort through the data and construct hypotheses that I could test. See, it's difficult to test things when it comes to paranormal and ET experiences, because normally, when you're a scientist, you want to have everything in your petri dish to study, you know, under a microscope. But when it comes to alien phenomena, as I'll be talking about in this show, we are in their petri dish. So they're the ones who are studying us versus vice versa. And so that makes it hard to study it, but you still can. It's, it's tricky. And I'll explain why. But it requires a lot of data that you have to sift through a lot of lateral, right brain thinking combined with intuition combined with logic and rigor, of course. But it takes both sides of that to be able to discern the subtler patterns amidst all the noise. So that's pretty much how I got to where I am today. [Speaker 3] (12:32 - 12:47) It's incredible, man. I'm curious, did you, these experiences that you had when you were younger and continuing on throughout life, like, did you share these with your parents, your father, your mother? Like, did you keep them private? What were the dialogues like when you were like a toddler speaking about these experiences? [Speaker 1] (12:48 - 13:07) Yeah, good question. Because, right. And that was one of the ways I was able to confirm that these things happened. So one of the things that I talked about quite a bit back then was the so called Graue Mention or Steine Mention. And that's German for the gray men or the stone men. I was babbling on about them all the time back then. [Speaker 3] (13:07 - 13:11) Are you first generation? Are you first generation like German American? Like were your parents? [Speaker 1] (13:12 - 15:46) Yeah, so all right. So my dad, he's native German, and my mom, she's native Singaporean. So she's Asian. And she met my dad in Germany after a long, a long journey. And so I was born in Germany, I was raised German. And so I'm the first, I'm the first generation American, you could say, although I wasn't born here. But yeah. Cool. Yeah. All right. So, so regarding what I was talking about back then, I talked about these gray men and stone men. And I also had a very, very deep phobia of owls. And anything that was white or grayish and bulbous. I mean, I even had a fear of dandelions, like dandelions, when they get to that stage where they're like this round ball of fluff. It was like this white fluffy round thing. And I was like, I couldn't figure out why I was scared of them. Because, because the thing is, when these abductions end, your memory gets suppressed. So you don't remember necessarily what happened. But I did remember the gray men. And that's what we'll be talking about. But as you get older and older, and your mind starts to your mind. See, when you're really young, your brainwave, your brain state is in the theta, theta alpha brainwave range. And that's, that's where your mind is more plastic. And it's not as linear and compartmentalized. But as you start aging, your brain gets increasingly crystallized. And it's easier to split off parts of it to segregate memories. So you start that's why when you're an adult, you have a harder time remembering, suppose it alien abductions than you do when you're like two or three years old. And that's also why in a certain like afterlife studies, kids who are you know, 123 years old, a lot of times they'll talk about their past lives, you know, they'll say like, Oh, I remember my other mommy and daddy, you know, from from a previous life. But point being that most of my memories were suppressed. But I did remember the gray and stone men and I remember the beginnings of the abductions and a couple flashes during them. But yeah, so I asked my mom, like, did I ever talk about the gray men or stone men? And she she said, Oh, yeah, all the time. And my grandma confirmed confirmed it too, because I'd be telling her about it. Yeah, so so between that and my fear of all those things, and I'll see owls are one of those common things that ET abductees have been found to have fears of. And that's because owls, especially snow owls, their eyes, they got these little black beady eyes surrounded by this, this white cone rim. And that resembles a lot of times the faces of certain gray aliens. So even nowadays, when I look at a picture of an owl, like a group of owls online with the with the little black eyes and white faces, it kind of freaks me out because it's still there. A little bit of PTSD in my subconscious. So yeah, it's, it's been an interesting experience for sure. [Speaker 2] (15:47 - 16:31) That's so wild, man. Like my mind is blown. That's like, by far the most, you know, interesting and unbelievable hero's journey intro we've ever heard on this podcast. I got so many questions. I'm actually stumped. So where I want to go from here, I guess like there's so much information, there's so much conversation, there's so much material about this subject, what's real, what's not real. Like, how does one begin to discern, you know, truth from falsehood when addressing this subject? And we really want to try and guide people as a, who are, who are beginners and who are looking at this for the first time with fresh eyes, how they can begin to grasp an understanding of really what is alien phenomena. [Speaker 1] (16:33 - 25:38) Yeah, that's a good question. So to even get to the point where you can discern what is truth from falsehood in the field. Well, first of all, I think you need to, well, see some people they don't, they don't have any context or background or experience in this particular subject. So they might wonder, why are you guys talking about this? Like, how are aliens even real? Yeah, see some people wonder like, like, what's the point of discussing good from bad aliens or truth from lies about this if, if, if you can't even prove that aliens exist? And I understand the viewpoint, because unless you've had these experiences yourself, or you've seen UFOs, or done like deep research into the field, there are some pretty obvious questions like, if they exist, then why, why aren't they all around us right now? Or the classic question, why haven't they landed on the White House lawn and introduced themselves to the president and shown up on TV, given interviews, all that good stuff? You know, like, why is there no unequivocal video or photo proof of them? Now, there's plenty of proof, but it's just not, it's not convincing enough to convince every single last person on the planet. And that's the issue is that people want either 100% proof, or they say it doesn't exist. Well, what if it's only 90%? What if it only convinces 90% of people? Well, then there's gonna be 10% who don't believe it, because it's just not good enough. And that's difficulty with the subject, because as I said earlier, unlike, see, unequivocal proof is like a bacteria in a Petri dish that you can look at under a microscope, you can hand it off to another scientist, and he can say, or she can say, yeah, I see it, I see it too. I mean, you can hand it off to anyone, it's replicable, you can share the proof, and everyone can see it, everyone can believe in it if they want to. But if you, if you are the one that's in the Petri dish, now, these other beings are the ones who control the conditions. So you can't do it 100% scientific way, because it's not, it's not under our control. And that's the issue. So people wonder, you know, for the exact same reasons, like they wonder why does, for example, the SETI program, search for extraterrestrial intelligence, where they take these giant radio satellite dishes, and they aim them into the sky to scan the universe for signs of electromagnetic signals from other civilizations. And so far, they've detected a few things, but it hasn't been, once again, 100% unequivocal proof. And of course, with all these different objections, you can find rational explanations for why those things are. I mean, for example, regarding why SETI hasn't detected signals, I think it's because electromagnetism is a very inefficient form of communication. It's equivalent to Native Americans using smoke signals, sending smoke signals up into the sky. So if you had a Native American scientist searching for life across the Atlantic, he sends up a smoke signal and gets nothing back from across the horizon. And he wonders, okay, well, obviously, we're the only ones on this planet. You know, it's equivalent to that. In all likelihood, if you had other civilizations, they would not be using EM signals, they would probably be using gravitational wave signals or scalar stuff, things that don't currently fit necessarily within our technological abilities. So we think we're more advanced than we are. And we try to judge the rest of the universe based on our anthropomorphic standards. And then we get disappointed when we don't get that mirrored back. All right. So but yeah, despite all these questions, you also have to reconcile that with the fact that, for example, over 40 million Americans either have seen UFOs, or know someone who has seen UFOs. That's quite a lot of people. You have thousands of airline pilots, scientists, military eyewitnesses who have reported seeing things that they can't explain. And that has also led to the government creating various programs to investigate these unexplained sightings. And I'll get more into that in a bit. What else do we have? Well, we also have the entire alien abduction research field, where you have tons and tons of PhDs, doctor after doctor after doctor writing books, researching it, investigating it, and giving it serious attention to the point where they risk their tenure, their profession, just to be able to speak about it. See, there's a lot of political correctness and taboo within the academic field. And so they're sticking their necks out when they dive into the subject. And some people they, you know, they even suffer suspicious, mysterious deaths, investigating it, because there are political interests that, you know, don't look highly on getting that deep into the alien subject. See, it's interesting that for most people, the mainstream news professionals, it's okay to talk about lights in the sky. You know, lights in the sky, that's, that's, that's safe. Once you start talking about metallic disks or ships in the sky, now it starts getting a little bit weird, because you can't just explain it away as stars or airplanes or, you know, Venus or swamp gas or something. And then beyond that, once you start getting into people seeing the occupants of the crafts, like the craft has landed, and people have eyewitnesses, and this has been reported many, many times in literature, they've seen beings come out of these things. Now it starts getting really weird. And then, of course, once you get into alien abductions, now and now most people kind of, it goes, beyond their threshold of credibility. So the issue is that the deeper, the closer you get to the alien subject, the harder it is to prove, both because it's more politically sensitive, like it can be more disruptive to national security, society, culture, religion, economy, especially. And also because the occupants themselves, these supposedly alien beings, they are very careful about what they show to whom. Which is an interesting point, because when people see lights in the sky flying around in ways that cannot be explained by conventional physics or technology, I highly doubt that these beings in these crafts have to have their lights on. They don't have to have their lights on, and yet they do. And yet they show themselves to certain times in certain ways. And I find that really interesting, that there seems to be an acclimation program, like a gradual introduction to their presence. And it's been going on since the early 1900s, at least. And over time, you would think that if there's nothing to this, if this is just a fad, then it would go away. But it hasn't gone away. It's just gotten steadily bigger and bigger and bigger, to where now it's actually been legally mandated by Congress, you know, the American government, to have official investigations into these unexplained things. Mostly due to military personnel having interactions with these unexplained phenomena, some of them even getting injured or killed. That's not quite, that's not talked about quite a bit. But there are lawsuits on the books from military members who have been injured, or their loved ones killed by these unexplained things. So it's getting more and more serious as the years go on. And therefore, I see humanity kind of heading closer and closer to a singularity point in terms of the alien phenomenon. And that's why I think it's so important to learn about, to study, to get a handle on. Because as much as it might seem distant now and irrelevant now to our everyday lives, the closer we get to that point, the more it's going to affect our everyday lives. So I don't know how long we have, but I've written a book called Discerning Alien Disinformation, all about the subject. You know, it's only like 120 pages, 130 pages long. But it analyzes the literature out there to try to sort truth from falsehood. And also, and not just like falsehood in the sense of people making things up or people mistaking one thing for another. But falsehood also in terms of how these supposed alien beings themselves are quite, they're not truthful. The things that they tell people in during contacts, abductions, even government personnel that have had contacts with them, a lot of them are liars. And the nature of the lie is, it's very concerning, because it points to a bigger agenda that some of these factions have. That's not good for us. I don't want to say like all outright invasion, but more like, more like colonization, like what the Spaniards did to the Central and South Americans. You know, it was quite, it was quite bad for the native civilization. And, and if we're not careful, we could go the same route. So I'm looking ahead. And I wrote a book on it just so that anyone can read that and get up to speed pretty quickly. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (25:38 - 25:47) Why do you think they make their presence known to certain individuals, even in your personal experience, you and your instance? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (25:47 - 29:43) Yeah, that's the Yeah, yeah, no, that's the perfect question. Because that points to, it points to their nature and their agenda, ultimately, if you can figure out like why they select some people and not others. Right. And I think it has to do with a lot of different factors. One of them, well, one of them definitely has to do with how, with how useful a person is to their agenda. So for example, if you're someone who ends up being an author, or someone who has credibility or weight, if you have that, then if they can contact you, give you a certain narrative, a certain viewpoint, that you then go on to spout to the rest of the world to the public. Now you've become a mouthpiece for that particular storyline that they want you to have. And so they can they can vet people based on their their level of credibility, how well spoken they are, how influential they are. And if you hit all the right factors, then you're going to get a certain particular agenda, a certain alien group that would want to work through them to manipulate mass public opinion about the alien presence. And usually, usually that's for bad. Okay, so I mean, there are books, you can go on Amazon right now, you can look at books, telling you how to invite gray aliens into your life, the better your life to get more health, more wealth, more happiness, you know, but it's actually a deal with the devil. Because they can give you these things, but what do they want in return, they want you to basically viral market them, advertise for them, tell people that these particular alien beings are good, when in truth, they might not actually be good. Yeah, so it's a it's a deception scenario. And that's one of the big things that I do talk about in my book, all the different ways in which they twist the truth, distort perception, play on ego. Yeah, all these, all these dangerous, dangerous methods that they use to twist our perception of them in order to make us more compliant. And in order to manipulate culture to be in a more welcoming state, should they ever make an appearance. So that's, that's one reason why they select someone. Another reason I think has to do with the person's own possible soul nature. And to understand that, I mean, you really would have to get into things like karma, destiny, past lives, incarnational missions and plans, which you know, not everyone believes in, but that's, that's fine. But I would say that if you research the literature enough of afterlife studies, near death experiences, and so on, you'll realize that that it is a thing. Okay. And so some people, they just come here with a certain soul nature that has some prior connection to the alien phenomenon. Yeah, you know, I don't, I don't know, I don't want to go as far as saying that these people were, let's say alien souls, and now they're in human bodies. I mean, some have proposed that, but one way or another, there's some sort of connection. And it makes them available, like spiritually, metaphysically, on a freewill level, it makes them available to have those kinds of experiences. Because the truth is, you know, we're all here for different reasons on Earth. I mean, there are common reasons, like to learn to better ourselves to, to be become stronger on a spiritual level. And of course, but how that plays out on an individual level, it's customized to each of us and what journey we choose through this, you know, grand cosmic experience. And some of that sometimes might intersect with the alien stuff. And other times it does not at all. So some people have no intersection with it. So therefore, they never see it, they're not interested in it. And that's fine. But other people are like knee deep in it. So me, yeah, I've definitely obviously had a had a big foot in that field. And that's why I'm talking about it now. If they had if they had never abducted me as a child, if I didn't have these paranormal experiences, I would probably just be into music and physics right now. To be honest, you know, I wouldn't be talking about any of these weird paranormal things. [Speaker 3] (29:44 - 29:54) Why do you think they presented themselves to you? I know you spoke like generally to people, but how about in your personal experience? Like, what do you feel and believe about it? [Speaker 1] (29:55 - 32:53) Okay, yeah. So one of the memories that I have from these childhood experiences, I remember that the general feeling of what it was like to go through it. And to me, it felt like, well, I was about two, three, the latest house for the time, all those years, it felt like being on a very, very long field trip, combined with a crunch summer school session. So being taught a ton of things being told a lot of things being trained on subjects, I'm being general here, because I don't know the specifics of what I was taught. But it stands to reason, though, that whatever they put into you when you're that young, I'm talking about mentally, it'll be in your subconscious, and it can subconsciously guide your interests, and your worldview as you get older. So it stands to reason, therefore, that I've been influenced to some extent by what happened, whatever happened during those abductions. And that's why I'm so careful to use critical analysis and to use logic to analyze everything that I come up with, like any idea that I have any answer that I have to a question that I'm think my way through it. Because there's always a chance that that thought that idea isn't organic, that it isn't my own. And that there might be there for an ulterior motive behind it. So yeah, I mean, I filter everything through logic and reason. It's not like, it's not like I'm a, I'm just a parrot, you know, repeating what I was when I was programmed. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people out there and I'm talking about certain alien abductees, certain alien contactees, who don't question it. Because, you know, maybe they don't have a scientific logical background. Maybe they don't care about that. Maybe they're more strictly into intuition and feelings. So they're like, Oh, I feel I feel right about this. I feel that these entities are positive, and they don't have any logical reasons for it. They just feel it. And those feelings are very easy to manipulate. I mean, even a stage hypnotist, you know, talking to a crowd of young people can call someone on stage, hypnotize them, and make them, you know, cluck like a chicken back in the audience, just when they clap their hands on stage, right, they can make a trigger that. And so it's very easy for alien beings during an abduction to hypnotically program you. And they have way more sophisticated methods of doing it. To at a certain time, you feel really good about these aliens. And you want to write a book about how great they are. So you put out a book telling other people how to invite them into their lives. And that happens. You know, that happens. But I'm aware of that. I'm aware of that trick. And I use that suspicion to comb through all these books that these people have been putting out, which is alien disinformation. And I discovered all the patterns and I put it into my own book so that people can read it. And you can realize, oh, yeah, that's how they're doing it. So anytime you see it in the future, you can recognize the patterns and not fall for it. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (32:53 - 33:02) Do they do they influence what comes out through Hollywood about aliens in terms of the alien narrative that we get through the mainstream media and movies? [Speaker 1] (33:03 - 34:06) I would say so. And I would say yes, only because only because it's well known that a lot of people you can be an abductee and not know it for a very long time. Like your memories from childhood, they don't always surface, you might not always remember it. And there are certain people who, for example, actually, this is quite classic, where it's not until let's say they're in their 40s or 50s, that all of a sudden, they got a memory breakthrough, maybe something triggers and maybe they see something that resembles a shape that they saw during an abduction. And it's like a thread on a sweater that gets pulled. And the entire thing starts unraveling. And even without without hypnosis, without any artificial means of retrieving memories, memories start flooding back. And you know, they can confirm with family members, you know, like, yeah, I remember around this time this happened and family member might say, Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's when you went missing for two days. And one day you just showed up in the front yard, we don't know one knows where you went. You had no memory of where you went. That's happened. There are a number of cases where such a thing has happened. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, that's pretty interesting, I think. [Speaker 3] (34:07 - 34:20) So are you saying that, like the people who create, let's say, Hollywood movies, they're creating it from their own experience, as opposed to maybe some more nefarious agenda to plant information into society? Right? [Speaker 1] (34:20 - 36:33) Yeah, yeah, what I'm what I'm saying is, it's possible for a screenwriter or a producer to have been influenced without them necessarily knowing it. And that sounds quite paranoid. And I think I think if they were influenced, then they would be someone who has a history of strange experiences already. So if you knew them personally, and you knew a certain movie that they put out, which you suspect might be alien disinfo, or some sort of alien influence, you could you could, you could ask them, you know, what was your childhood like? What were you know, do you have any paranormal experiences? And I would say like nine times out of 10, they would probably say, yeah, I had some weird experiences growing up. But then they went away. And then they think, okay, well, it never happened again. Little do they know, now they are a subconscious extension of an agenda beyond their reckoning. You know, and it's very easy, like some, you know, I know some screenwriters who get their ideas from dreams, for example. Yeah. And dreams are pretty easily influenced. Because when you're asleep, it's just your subconscious wide open, receiving everything, you know, receiving your own internal bodily sensations, receiving memory fragments from the day before that haven't been fully filed away. All these things come together to make dreams. But for anyone who has any, even even a weak level of psychic ability, when you're dreaming, you're picking up also on other people's thoughts, you're picking up on precognitive influences from the future coming back through time. And, you know, you can sense that right now. So those kinds of people might have, for example, visionary dreams, prophetic dreams about the future. And there's, you know, there's entire books written about that subject as well, you know, case after case proving that dreams can have objective, verifiable, precognitive abilities, you know, to be able to predict the future. But those very same people are also sensitive to psychic influences from any beings that might be in the vicinity, whether it's paranormal beings, ETs, whatever, you know. So yeah, it's, it doesn't matter, it could be creative people in Hollywood, it could be scientists, authors, politicians, military generals. If there's no safeguard against psychic influencing or abductions, then almost everything is game. And it's merely a matter of discovering whether certain people fit the classic patterns of having contact with paranormal side of existence. [Speaker 3] (36:34 - 36:43) Yeah. Are there any movies that in Hollywood that represent the reality of what's happening based on your research that are the closest to? [Speaker 1] (36:44 - 37:59) Yeah, I would say, well, I see a lot of them because with Hollywood, it's metaphorical. Most of these movies are metaphors for what's actually going on. So it's not 100% literal, but it's like it gets in that direction. I would say one movie is The Forgotten with Julianne Moore. That's an interesting one. It's about, it shows how aliens have this ubiquitous, ominous presence over human life, with the ability to manipulate human memories, and just manipulate society in a way that is very, it's just very, very strange. And some people would find it terrifying. So The Forgotten, that's one. A more symbolic metaphorical movie would be Dark City. The one that came out, I think was it came out in 1998, right around the same time as the first Matrix movie, which also is quite symbolic. But yeah, there's a spate of truthy, truthful movies like that. So The Forgotten and Dark City, you watch those two, and you can sort of get a decent idea of how these things operate and at what level they operate. It's not just a spaceman and a little ship from some other planet coming here and saying, you know, take me to your leader. It's way beyond that. [Speaker 3] (37:59 - 38:01) Independence Day, bro. Independence Day. That's the truth. [Speaker 2] (38:04 - 38:20) So based on the conversation so far, what I'm gathering is that, you know, your take is that aliens, for the most part, are malevolent or nefarious. Can you bring some clarity around that? Are they benevolent beings? Are they malevolent beings? What's the general take there? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (38:21 - 41:37) Yeah. So especially nowadays in the ufology field, people have become increasingly skeptical about their motives. And that's okay. You know, I think it's better to err on the side of caution than naivete, like naive trust, because naive trust, you only get one chance. And if you blow it and it turns out they're bad, then it's over for humanity. Okay. So but in my experience, from all the data that I've seen, everything I've put together, I believe that it's a mix. I believe it's a mix of malevolent factions, and more benevolent factions, and some neutral ones in the middle who, you know, they they're observers, they don't really carry the way they kind of hang back. But the malevolent ones are the ones obviously, who would not be respecting free will as much. So they would be interventionists. They would be the ones doing the majority of the tinkering with the human mind, with human society. Therefore, it's the benevolent ones. You know, like in Star Trek, you got this idea of the prime directive, the idea that you don't interfere with a developing civilization. And funny enough, Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry, he was involved in this field. He was involved in the field of ufology, channeling, researching, you know, metaphysical paranormal things. And so a lot of the ideas that he got from that field, he incorporated into the show itself. So things like the prime directive, we think, oh, that's just start, you know, that's just Star Trek, that's just sci fi. But it might have actually originated with what's actually going on out there, that there are certain non human factions out there that have a non interventionist viewpoint, that they don't want to interfere with our development, at least not in a negative way. And so that's why they in particular, are not landing on the White House lawn and introducing themselves and trying to get the entire world focused on them. Because that would take everyone's personal mission and destiny away from that and focus it solely in that direction. And it would just lead to another worshipping of God type situation like we had in ancient times during Sumerian days, where it was a big, you know, the entire society was oriented towards pleasing and worshipping the gods. And that's, that's not how things work anymore. So I don't think they would want to, to replicate that by showing up. Now the negative factions, on the other hand, they have various interests for what for why they do what they do. And some of them include resource harvesting, you know, using Earth as a mining operation, military strategy, like using Earth as a base of operations for further expansion of their, you could call it like an empire. And also using humans ourselves as a biological and energetic resource. So there's, there's many reasons why they would be here. And that's why if, just theoretically, if we ever had aliens showing up, you know, showing themselves en masse to the, to the, to the population, pretty much guaranteed they're going to be the not good ones. Because they're the ones intervening first. And therefore they are interventionists. Therefore, they can't be the ones that follow the so-called prime directive. And so I would be very suspicious about those particular ones. But yeah, I mean, in my opinion, there are a mix of intentions, just like amongst humans, right? There's a mix of intentions. And these beings, they're not, they're different from us, but they're not that different. They're not like incomprehensibly different. So yeah. [Speaker 3] (41:38 - 41:47) Do you think that human beings, like how we are now, if all of us were genetically modified with aliens, like thousands and thousands of years ago? [Speaker 1] (41:48 - 47:28) I think so. There are various human evolution anomalies. Like one that comes to my mind would be, okay, right. Yeah. Chromosomal fusion. That's a, that's a big one. So chromosomal fusion, what is that? So, so we know that chimps, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans, they have 48 genetic chromosomes. They have 48. Humans, we only have 46. So the question for the longest time was what happened to the other two? How do two chromosomes just go missing? And so when they dug into the genome, the human genome, they found that four of those original 48, they fused into two. So, so one fused with another, one fused with another. So now instead of four, we only had two chromosomes. And, you know, those added to the other ones. So that's why we have 46. And they have 48. Because, you know, like I said, a couple of those fused together. And when they looked at the fusing site between the chromosomes, they found that it wasn't just like them stuck together, which, you know, possibly could happen with a mutation. But there are certain sections of it that were deleted and other parts of the code that were swapped around. So deletion, swapping around, fusing, that doesn't happen by accident. There's no way that that can happen just through random genetic mutation. And if you do get a mutation, it pretty much never leads to something better. Like, you know, like right now, humans, you know, some humans are born with three chromosomes, you know, three X's or whatever. Like Down syndrome, for example, it doesn't lead to a smarter, more capable human, right? It leads to something that's that's handicapped in some way. And yet, compared to our ancestors before this happened, we are like way smarter, we've got larger brain volume, we have the ability for speech, you know, art, intellect, science, all those things came about thanks to this chromosomal fusion that happened, you know, right around 500,000 to about a million years ago. That's when scientists believe that this fusion happened. And like I said, it leads to us being smarter. So there's no way that I can see or that a lot of scientists can see that this happened naturally. So therefore, it had to happen artificially. You know, yeah, it happened intentionally. And that was only the beginning of it. Because there are other anomalies, like for example, right around 70,000 years ago, like people don't really know this, unless you study it. All humans nowadays, all 7-8 billion humans on planet Earth, supposedly came from just 3,000 people who existed right around 70,000 years ago. So scientists try to explain this as okay, well, there was a giant cataclysm back then, maybe the Toba volcano in Indonesia went off, you know, right around the time plus or minus 20,000 years. And it, you know, changed the weather in such drastic ways that there was no food and people died. And the entire human race got decimated to where there were only 3,000 individuals left. And so when humanity popped back in population, they all came from those 3,000. That's one possibility. But if you look at it from the viewpoint of let's say alien genetic manipulation, it would have been so easy for them to take one, you know, during a time of cataclysm, take only 3,000 people, maybe save them, or maybe breed 3,000 people through genetic programs, you know, like breeding a new race of humans, Homo sapiens, who, you know, maybe they only made 3,000 of them, then they plopped them down. And then from those 3,000, the rest of us came. And maybe that would explain why humans after right around 70,000 years, has smaller brain capacity compared to the ones that came before that the Cro-Magnons, the people who were smarter, they're more robust. They're better humans in all ways, up until about 70,000 years ago. And from that point forward, we were kind of like dumbed down. And so what some researchers believe is that there have been different extraterrestrial hands in human evolution. There could have been one group that originally formed humanoids as we know them, you know, they took the primitive ape species, and they fused some chromosomes together and they created, you know, they created us, they created Neanderthals, they created Denisovans. And then that went on for 300, 400, 500,000 years. And then another group came in and said that, you know, those people were, those guys were a little too smart for what we need, we want to dumb them down, we want to maybe turn them into beasts of burden. You know, they're too smart, they're too dangerous. And so they, during maybe during a time of cataclysm, they save some, they bred some new ones. And then here we are, here we are, we're not psychic, by default, we're not as smart as the prior humans were. And if you look at society, we're quite obedient slaves, you know, to a bigger control system. And so whatever they did back then to tinker us and to kind of dumb us down, it has had quite the effect in making us a more compliant, more, more useful species to their agenda. So I do think that there have been genetic manipulations throughout history. And what I'm saying here is only a small fraction. I mean, if you really dig into the subject, you can find so many other issues. Like for example, the human humans compared to all other animals, we have way more genetic diseases than any other animal on earth. You know, we have more things that are wrong with our genetic code. And I think that just comes from way too much editing, to be honest, like too much tinkering with our genetic code, like no one's gonna tinker the genetic code of a hamster, you know, like they don't care about hamsters. But humans, we are just on that threshold of usability for a bigger agenda, whether for slave labor, or something more complicated, that we've been modified multiple times. And I think that explains a lot about society nowadays. [Speaker 2] (47:30 - 47:38) What are your thoughts on like the whole talk about Nephilim, Anunnaki, fallen angels being in the alien realm? [Speaker 1] (47:40 - 53:16) Yeah, well, as you know, if you study the subject, during ancient times, pretty much all cultures on earth had myths, or religions based around the idea that their civilization was founded by superior beings who came from across the vast ocean, you know, maybe the literal ocean, or maybe the ocean of space. Other ones talk about beings coming from Sirius, the star Sirius, or just general sky gods coming down, seeding civilization with knowledge of mathematics, geometry, agriculture, metallurgy, chemistry, and medicine. And so it doesn't matter which culture you go to, pretty much all advanced cultures, they popped out of nowhere overnight, for the most part. It's like you had prior to a certain point, for most of you, I'm talking about the Egyptians, the Mayans, the Chinese, actually, even the Indians. These civilizations, originally, it was just primitive natives in those areas, just primitive natives, you know, doing basic hunting, gathering, a lot of them didn't even have agriculture. And then over a very short period of time, something came in, and they developed all those fields that I just mentioned, you know, agriculture, science, mathematics, geometry, astronomy. It happened overnight. And a lot of them even built these megalithic temples, these megalithic structures, like the Great Pyramid. Actually, if you go through all these different areas around the world, you can find these giant stone structures all over the place. And, you know, they're manufactured with inhuman levels of precision and scale that cannot be done by human hands, let alone those primitive natives that were there originally. So it seems to me that there was a civilizing influence that came in and terraformed these civilizations, you know, converted them into a higher level of society that was pleasing or useful to whatever came in and did that. Now, we're not regarding the Nephilim and fallen angels. So the fallen angels myth, that comes, well, you can read about it, for example, in the Book of Enoch. And the Book of Enoch was one of those books that was left out of the official Bible, you know, because back around 350 AD, I believe it was, all the church elders, they got together and they had to decide what books are we going to put together officially into the official Bible, right? And so some of them were left out because they're a little too controversial, or maybe they contradicted the official dogma of the time. But one of them was the Book of Enoch. And in that one, it recounts how there were a couple hundred fallen angels, they call them the Watchers, fallen angels who landed on a mountain in the Middle East called Mount Hermon. And you can go there nowadays, you can go to the mountain, so it's a real mountain. And according to the local legends there, yeah, once again, the sky beings came down, set up base, and then they started teaching the local natives what they knew, and then that's how they spread civilization forth from that point. But they were called fallen angels, they were called Watchers, they were called beings from the sky. So that's one example. And like I said, you know, any other culture that you go to, the Egyptians, they have their own myths about these sky gods. Or you go to Africa, right? There's a certain tribe in Africa called the Dogons. And this tribe, interestingly enough, their entire belief system was based around the star Sirius, which is, you know, the brightest star in the sky. Except the interesting thing is that they were able to draw diagrams illustrating the star system of Sirius, including a third star or a second star. Well, an extra star that people at the time barely had any knowledge about. And the astronomers were then able to verify that this star actually did exist, this unknown star within the Sirius star system. And the Dogons knew about that star, they knew about its orbital period of, you know, of revolution. And people asked him, like, where did you get this knowledge? And they said that there's these sky gods that came down who taught it to us. They called them like fish beings, because there are some aquatic elements to them. I don't know if they're amphibians, or if that was just symbolic of them coming from across the ocean of space. But the point being is that, you know, throughout history, seems that different civilizations have been visited, tinkered with, and the cultures perhaps even entirely engineered by non-human forces. Now regarding the Nephilim, I think that just as humans have been genetically tinkered with, they might have had other pet projects on the side where, hey, you know, let's make some giant humans. Let's make other humans that are, instead of being drawn from, from hominid, like ape type genetics, what if we take it from lemur genetics instead? And so you get things like Bigfoot, you know, they did analysis on different Bigfoot hair and like genetic samples. And some of those, interestingly enough, have traces back to lemur genetics, which is pretty odd. But it turns out that before 10,000 years ago, before the last Ice Age, there were indeed like giant gorilla sized lemurs in North America. And so nowadays, North America and also like Central Asia, that's where you find them too. That's also where you find most of the supposed Bigfoot sightings. So I think, I think Bigfoot, Nephilim, ancient giants, and so on. I think there are just other genetic products that were experimented with over time. [Speaker 2] (53:18 - 53:41) Wild. Yeah, back in episode 13, we had Shane Bales on the podcast, who claims to have come from an Illuminati bloodline. And he has memories of communicating with these ancient giant beans. Well, these giant beans that were, you know, hidden in some mountains or something he was talking about. So just crazy to kind of connect those dots. It's interesting anyway. [Speaker 1] (53:42 - 54:22) Yeah, they do exist still. Damon, there was this one awesome, fascinating encounter. It's sort of an urban legend now on the internet. But yeah, the idea of the Kandahar giant, you can look up Kandahar giant on YouTube. It's a story of a military team in Afghanistan who was exploring a cave when they stumbled across like a was like a like a 12 foot tall giant humanoid with red hair, you know, and then a giant spear and it actually killed one of them. And then later on, another military team came in and captured it. Who knows, there's a lot of secret things going on in the military that we can't verify. But occasionally stories leak out. And that one I think is just a little too wild. Like what what military team would make that up? You know, it's just weird. [Speaker 2] (54:23 - 54:53) Yeah, I'm looking into that. For sure. So, you know, when for example, like now in like new age circles, like people communicate to like, ascended masters and like, angels and stuff like that. Could there potentially be like alien imposters wanting this admiration and adoration coming in as you know, I'm this advanced being or advanced master. Give me give me your love and worship. [Speaker 3] (54:53 - 54:56) Even channeling like the whole channeling as well. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (54:57 - 1:01:38) Yeah. Yeah. I think it kind of harkens back to ancient times, ancient times where these beings they were worshipped as gods, and they probably enjoyed it. They probably enjoyed it. Now, nowadays, of course, they can't get away with it. Because there are a number of reasons why they're not allowed to or maybe why they don't want to reveal themselves openly to the world yet. There could be reasons for that. But back then, yeah, of course, they're walking the earth, they're flying around, they're having battles in the sky. And that's where a lot of these myths about the gods fighting each other comes from, you know, during ancient times. Well, on a side point on that, there are certain people out there who want to say that all ETs are good, that they're all benevolent, that if they're advanced enough to come here from other planets, then obviously, they must have gotten their, their, their stuff together to not blow themselves up, you know, before developing this level of technology. So there for anyone who comes here has to be benevolent. Well, to that, I would say, then how would you explain all the accounts throughout history, even as late as the mid medieval times? How would you explain the accounts of the gods fighting each other, or UFOs and crafts fighting each other, shooting each other down, having battles in the sky, right? If they're all good, they shouldn't be doing that. And yet you get that. So I'm pretty sure that there are mixed factions. But anyway, so, so regarding the idea of like ascended masters, and these, these, I think that's like a modern form of certain beings wanting to be worshipped as gods, as gods. And there are different ways, there are different reasons why they might do that. So it's kind of complicated, because there are different classes of beings that engage in this level of deception. It's not just extraterrestrials, it's also, and this might sound kind of hokey, because we haven't really gone into occultism, paranormal, afterlife type studies. But I'll just go ahead and lay it out. So in my experience, from everything that I've researched, there are also classes of beings that you could call them demons, or astral parasites. They're basically malevolent, non-physical intelligences. And they're closer to what we would think of as a ghost than a flesh and blood physical being like an alien. And these astral parasites, they're interested in, they're interested in a number of things. They're interested in harvesting our life force energy. So they're like psychic vampires in a way. And if they can latch on to a person, and convince the person that they are, let's say, an archangel or some ascended master, some, some religious deity, then when the person is going to become way more submissive, and open to always thinking about them, giving them their energy, their love, their respect, whatever, it makes the person way more compliant. And so the entity has a much easier time inserting its own energy field into the energy field of the person. Because normally, normally our subtle energy field, people would call it the aura, it's got a protective barrier on it. And that barrier is controlled by our subconscious. So our subconscious puts up this barrier through, you know, through the soul, the soul's energy field, and it keeps things out. But if the subconscious realizes or thinks that it's okay to open up to something, which you know, lovers do to each other, like if you trust another person, your energy field is going to open up to them and vice versa. And that's how you get an exchange of energy and that creates a bigger bond and union. Well, they exploit that principle by posing as a figure that the person loves and respects. And so as the energy field opens, the entity then is able to get in deeper and is able to take more control over the person and extract more energy. And typically over time, that person will grow weaker and weaker, like more sickly because their life force energy is being drained. And the entity a lot of times will also play games like psychological games with the person by not only posing as a particular entity or a particular deity, but teaching the person a false narrative about reality, about how things work, about who the person is in the bigger scheme of things. And so unfortunately, these people then become so called experts in this BS story that the entity is feeding them. And then they end up going on, you know, writing books and going on podcasts, giving their view of reality, which doesn't really correlate with any other research out there or with these other people who are also have been deceived and are putting out BS stories. So actually, funny enough, I knew several of these people once, and I decided to well, let's see what would happen if you got them together in a chat room and got them to exchange notes on what they think is going on with reality and what is actually happening. And so I brought them together, you know, just so they can kind of cross pollinate. And they left distraught and confused about why their details don't match, because each of them thought that they were the expert on reality and what was actually going on, like what's going on with aliens, what's going on with human race in the future, and so on. And yeah, once they compared notes with each other, they realized that either one of them was had been totally deceived, or both of them have now in my opinion, both of them have. But you know, the point being that whether it's aliens, or these these non physical astral parasites slash demons, a lot of them engage in this phenomenon of deceiving vulnerable humans, and giving them an almost schizophrenic view of reality. So it's almost like an artificial form of schizophrenia. And I think I think a lot of mental illnesses that we think are just genetic or biological, they might actually be occult in origin, they might actually be just entities warming their way into a person's psyche and feeding them hallucinations, visions, dreams, speech, and just filling their heads up with a lot of nonsense. Now as to why aliens would be doing it, just real quick, aliens would do it probably just to seed disinformation within the field. So if they can take a person and portray themselves as I don't know, like, like, I'm the queen of the Pleiadian, you know, I'm like, like, whatever, I'm, I'm commander Ashtar of the Ashtar command, those kinds of things, it creates noise within the UFO field. So if you're a serious researcher, and you want to gather data, and you have these experiencers coming to you, well, if half of them are this particular template, then you're going to get polluted with all this false corrupt data. And it's going to, it's going to crowd out the real the real experiencers, the ones with the real experiences, you know, we have real data on what's going on. And so I think it's just them sending up a smoke screen, you know, trying to disguise their own activities. That's yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:01:38 - 1:01:42) So it's like a psychological operation within alien community. [Speaker 1] (1:01:43 - 1:02:53) Yeah, yeah. And it's pretty easy to do as well. Because gray aliens in particular, they are see that they're kind of like, um, they're kind of like, like, like, like task workers, like menial task workers. So there's a lot of them that can be manufactured on command that can be grown in chambers from from what I heard. And, and they're very psychic. So they're bred to be extremely psychic. And that's why they're sent into to do the beginnings of abductions, because they can encounter an abductee in their bed, and they can paralyze them psychically. And then they can, you know, get them either levitate them out of bed or take them out of bed and bring them to the ship. Well, the same psychic ability also allows grays to telepathically interface with, let's say, channelers, or people who have a mild degree of psychic ability, and they don't consider themselves channelers. But they hear voices, they hear Oh, yeah, I've got this spirit guide who calls himself, you know, whatever, who teaches me about the Galactic Federation of planets and, and why aliens are good. And, you know, all this like false, false BS narrative stuff. Yeah, yeah. So that's pretty, that's pretty dangerous. And I think needle, I think people need to watch for that. [Speaker 3] (1:02:54 - 1:03:04) Well, how do you like protect yourself? Like what, what activities? What habits do humans have that allow them to be infiltrated by these these beings? [Speaker 1] (1:03:05 - 1:05:56) Yeah, that's a that's a pretty good question. And to understand that you sort of have to understand what are the capabilities of aliens, that's something I really haven't gotten into too much yet. But it's really important to to discuss. So I've got a I've got a list here. I'm just gonna go through it. And I'll explain like, these are these are these are like the top capabilities or aspects of the alien presence that I think people should be should be aware of. So the first one is telepathy. And I did mention that they're telepathic. So they can see telepathy isn't just being face to face with them. And they're communicating to you without moving their lips without without opening their mouths. It's not just that. It's also you in your everyday life. Like for example, like right now, if I were to write an article, or I'm on social media, making a post, telepathy can also be done from a distance to guide what a person says or what they don't say. You know, maybe maybe I'll start typing something. I mean, I'm not this is just like a hypothetical example. Maybe I'll start typing something. And I was gonna feel like I don't want to do this anymore. You just stop you erase it. Well, it turns out if you had fully typed that maybe it was something very important that some other person was going to read and was going to change their life in a big way, which affects the future in a certain way. It's a butterfly effect. So down the line, something big could have happened, which traces back to a certain person reading something that you wrote. But guess what? A little telepathic nudge made you click the x button deleted, so that entire future doesn't happen. So these beings because they're telepathic, they can influence that. And it's very easy to slip into paranoia territory here, right? Because then everyone starts thinking, well, what if this thought is created by aliens? What is that? Well, yeah, yeah, just, you know, calm down. It's not as bad as I'm saying, I'm just saying it can happen when they want it to, when they really needed to, when they need to apply the pressure. They can, but it's not like everyone, every single person is being monitored and an influence. So I'm definitely not paranoid and crazy in that way. But I do have to admit to the reality of it in certain cases. All right, so telepathy is one. The other is, and this, as I go down this list, it's going to sound crazier and crazier. But this is actually from the data. This is from the literature. If you have these experiences, you'll know what I'm saying is true. The second one is cloaking, or phasing, they call it phasing technology. So it's the ability for a being to stand right next to you. And you don't even know it, unless you're psychic, unless you're psychic, or you have a pet. Usually pets are sensitive to these sorts of things. So you have a cat or a dog that's sensitive, they'll react to the presence of a non-human energy field near you. And, you know, cats will get very, very antsy, like really amped up, or they'll get scared, but they'll go hide. Dogs will whimper or bark, you know, they'll look around in the air at things that you can't see, but obviously they can see something. And if you've got multiple pets, right, they can see it. So I mean, you've probably had it too, haven't you? [Speaker 3] (1:05:56 - 1:06:08) That's the trippiest thing. Like we have a dog, and there's times where like, she's barking and looking around. I'm like, what the fuck are you barking at? I can't hear anything. I can't, there's nothing that discernible that she would be barking at. It's interesting. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:06:08 - 1:06:28) Yeah. And it's not always aliens. Like sometimes it could be, it could be, well, we would call them ghosts, but it's just dead people without their bodies, right? It's dead people hanging around for whatever reason they haven't moved on yet. Or maybe it's just their energy field that has been cast off, but now it's just kind of kind of floating around. And you know, yeah, I mean, whether... [Speaker 3] (1:06:28 - 1:06:34) Make sure my wife doesn't walk, listen to this episode, you know, next time, next time Rosie starts barking. I'm just playing, dude. I'm playing. [Speaker 1] (1:06:34 - 1:08:52) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it could be that. It could be, could be entities or dead people. Even like loved ones from the other side, from the other side of the veil. Sometimes they pop in to see what we're doing and make sure we're okay. And they'll pop in as this floating point of consciousness. And if you, if you were to take a picture of it, a lot of times they'll show up as little orbs of light in your photographs. But anyway, yeah, so pets can see them. Sometimes babies can see them like certain babies are quite psychic. I remember, I was not like, I remember being a baby and I never saw auras around people. But I've encountered babies and I've heard of babies who can totally see energy fields. And like, if you've got this massive energy field above your head or something like that, the baby will just like stare above your head like members of mesmerized and what's going on. Yeah, yeah. So the point is that you can have entities that are not physically visible around you. And but only if you're intuitive or psychic, or you've got a pet or a psychic baby around, will they be able to see it? Now, if you combine this cloaking ability with telepathy, that's a really bad situation, because now you can have an entity standing right next to you, telepathically jacking into your subconscious and influencing what you're researching, what you're reading, what you're writing, what you're thinking, your opinions. And that's fine if it's like a benevolent entity, because maybe they'll just give you little nudges like, hey, go read this book or go to this website, you're not gonna hear that voice, you're just gonna feel this, this, this, this cool, like, energy, like, yeah, you know, be good idea to like, check, check that out. And you go check that out. And it leads to something huge, like a huge discovery that's going to change your life. That's awesome. Like, that's good when that happens. But if the entity has malevolent intentions, now it's really bad, you know, like maybe, maybe it'll lead you into a particular Facebook group. I'm not on Facebook as much. But it can lead you into a Facebook group where is led by some guy who's an entity possessed, cult guru leader. And maybe, maybe it interests you enough that you join it. And before you know it, one day, all of a sudden, you're in that cult, you're being abused, you know, you're trapped in that spider's web, all because this entity kind of nudged you, step by step by step into that trap. So this is weird, like multi pronged thing, where you've got different people that are possessed manatees, and you got other ones that are influenced manatees to kind of come within their vicinity and kind of get wrapped up in that. Yeah, that's, that's pretty, that's pretty macabre. [Speaker 3] (1:08:53 - 1:09:10) But yeah, but but but it does happen, you know, it's also just, it's a slippery slope to in regards to like, let's say an individual goes through this process. And it's like, where do you take personal responsibility versus where do you go? Well, an entity did it. That's why I joined the cult. And all this stuff happened to me. [Speaker 1] (1:09:10 - 1:11:36) Yeah, yeah. I mean, ultimately, see, we all have personal responsibility. And the personal responsibility lies in being self aware, to be aware of your own thoughts, your own impulses, and to make sure that anytime you do something important, that not only does it make sense, but it also feels right, it has to both make sense and feel right. And it has to be backed up has to be backed up by a lucid awareness and context of what you're doing. And it's only when people, it's only when people allow themselves to have their egos stroked, or their their particular subconscious shadow wounds, like for example, if a, let's say a person has abandonment issues from childhood, like their parents weren't around, and they wanted attention. And now this guru cult leader gives them attention, it's going to play on that it's going to play on their desire for love and attention. And that's what's going to reel them in. Well, if they had been more aware of that, that particular vulnerability, like if they knew themselves, you know, there's this Gnostic command, which is to know thyself, to know thyself. It means many things, but it also includes knowing all of your weak points, your wounds, your your your inner triggerable programs. So the more you know yourself, the more you know your weaknesses, and therefore you're not going to meet you're not going to have those buttons pushed as easily and manipulated. See, there's a lot of people who have good intentions, but they're just too they're just just too naive, global, soft, trusting, egotistical, wishful thinking based. And those are the ones, unfortunately, that these entities seek out. They can they can, because they're telepathic, they're telepathic, they can sense, they can, I can almost say that they can smell your vulnerabilities. It's like sharks smelling blood and water, they can smell it. And so they can seek out and find who is the most vulnerable candidate to their particular goal for manipulation. And so I'm pretty sure that most people watching this right now, you're going to be fine. But it's just that that smaller tail end of the bell curve, that is the most gullible, most trusting, most naive, those are the ones that these things kind of hone in on. And for everyone else, as long as you've got a straight head on your shoulders, as long as you kind of question your impulse sometimes and not just blindly jump into something without thinking, you're gonna be fine, you're gonna be fine. [Speaker 2] (1:11:36 - 1:12:22) You know what the other thing is as well, like, there's that faction that, you know, claims to, you know, feel special and calls in these entities and communicates with them and whatnot. And then there's other people who aren't as self-aware and grounded and self-responsible who look at that going on and saying, oh, why aren't I having these experiences? What's wrong with me? Why aren't I special in that regard? You know, and then so they intentionally seek out to try and call out these things as well. Nothing kind of plays on that, that egotistical side of, you know, me needing to feel special and, you know, the highest realities for me to be able to contact these, you know, these beings and stuff like that. That's just something that's come to me. [Speaker 1] (1:12:23 - 1:12:41) Yeah. Yeah, I know. Because there's people, they do these outings, right, where they try to call down lights from the sky. They try to shine flashlights up into the sky to communicate with ATs. And actually one time, I was sort of naive enough to try something like that. This was a long time ago. [Speaker 2] (1:12:42 - 1:12:42) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:12:42 - 1:15:13) And so, I went out into the night sky. And well, actually, there was an even earlier experiences, which I want to recount. So when I was how old was I was about 13, or maybe 15. I'd been reading a lot of books about aliens and abductions and greys. And at the time, I thought, okay, well, they're probably good. Maybe they're just like innocent scientists. And what we think is, them being evil is just is no different from like a veterinarian trying to do something the animal being scared, you know, the animal thinks the veterinarian is bad, but veterinarians actually trying to do good for the animal. Right. So I thought that they're good. And I remember looking out to the window at the night sky. And I asked them like, if you're out there, give me a sign. And I was expecting I was expecting the stars to fly around or something, you know, give me like a sign like that. But that didn't happen. However, that night, I went to bed. And I had this weird, weird dream of being I was like in a daze. And I was on an airplane or something like that. And there was these people around me with gray faces and black eyes. And I remember a strong feeling of acceleration, like the airplane just taken off. And when I woke up later that morning, I looked in the mirror. And there was this weird inch long scar on my forehead, which wasn't there the night before. It's almost like some sort of like a like a laser surgery scar right here. And then for months afterwards, I would have the precursors and the after effects of alien and alien type abductions. Now the thing is, I had abductions as a childhood as a child in my childhood. But I didn't have them as much when I was a teen. And I think I think something happened where either they weren't allowed to or maybe my subconscious put up a shield or something that blocked them from doing it. But because I called out because I asked for a sign, it opened a door, some sort of metaphysical free will based permission system wasn't was activated. And they allowed to do things that they would not have been otherwise. And so because of these abductions, I started getting extremely obsessed with the ideas of gray aliens, like I had to have all these t shirts with their faces on it. I was always talking about it. And I can remember been in junior high, like my nickname was alien boy, just because I talked about these things so much, you know, and I was wearing t shirts all the time. But I realized if I hadn't caught that if I hadn't caught on to what was going on, perhaps right now I would be no different from certain other big names in the UFO field now who, who are trying to say that all aliens are good. We're trying to make humanity welcome them into our, you know, collective, yeah, collective presence. [Speaker 2] (1:15:14 - 1:15:15) And I'll even grease and stuff. [Speaker 1] (1:15:15 - 1:17:41) Oh, yeah, exactly. And it's also it's also interesting that that Greer is one of the ones who's heading up these contact groups that goes out and shines flashlights at beings, having people try to invite them down. I mean, they're doing they're doing on a group after group after group. They're doing exactly what I did when I was looking out the window asking for a sign which invited them in. And so on an occult level, you know, there's this whole idea that like, in mythology, like, that a vampire cannot enter your home unless you invite them in, you know, that idea. Well, that idea translates in a realistic way to the alien stuff as well, which is that they can't do certain things unless you invite them in. So, yeah, so these these groups that go out there try to contact them and call them and come down from the sky. Bad idea. And actually, so so later on, I sort of got curious again. And I sort of did a similar thing where I kind of looked up. I tried like project telepathically project my thoughts into the sky to communicate with them. And that night, I had an interesting dream where I was approached by a human looking being who sternly warned me to never do that again. Wow. And their explanation, their explanation was that it's similar to being in a war zone, where you're in the middle of a war zone as a civilian, and there's forces battling all around you. And you just get on a radio and you say, Hey, I'm at whatever, whatever. Hey, guys, you guys want to be friends? What are you what are you going to get in the middle of a war zone, you don't know what you're going to get, you could have the enemy totally taken over your position. So that that was what was kind of relayed to me that you don't want to be doing that you don't want to naively just invite these things in. So So if there are like good beings, then they don't they don't need that level of invitation to help you out. They're going to be there in the background, intervening as little as possible, but also intervening when they need to, in the most subtle ways, in the ways that really matter. And and they are masters of the butterfly effect. So they can they can say that the minimal thing necessary, they can do the minimal thing necessary to have a positive, a positive effect. And so just like, just like with Christians or anyone who's religious, in terms of interacting with the divine and having faith, you don't you don't need to be desperate about help from from beyond. You just have to be patient. And you just have to have faith that it's going to be there to support you. When you when you need it most, you know, you don't have to like, try to like, drag it to you. [Speaker 2] (1:17:42 - 1:20:48) I want to share a story which I was hesitant to share because it's a bit of a personal wound for me in a small spot. It's one of the points in my life where I feel like, you know, actually fucked up. But I'll share I'll share it anyway. So it was 2018. And I was definitely in a place of I guess, spiritual bypassing at that point in time wasn't really engaging in any real sincere shadow work. You know, it's on the apex of kind of a new age phase. And I was at this place in Byron Bay in New South Wales. Byron Bay is known as quite a spiritual area. I was at this place called Crystal Castle, and there's a bookshop in Crystal Castle. And I was leaving. And then something told me to go back inside the bookshop. So I went inside the bookshop, and I was led to this book. I don't remember exactly what it was called. It was kind of like, you know, the Advanced Guide to Ascension, or something like that, something of that nature. Anyway, I started I started reading this book, went back home, started reading it. And I was talking about like, everything that happens in the afterlife, you know, beyond the physical realm, all these different beings, entities, Ascended Masters, was talking about you mentioned Captain Ashtar before, and the Ashtar Command and stuff like that, talking about contacting monads. Anyway, I thought, you know, it's something like I felt called to like, try some of these exercises out like before bedtime and things like that. So you know, I tried to, you know, get into Ashtar's chamber and stuff like that. And there's other exercise exercise where you like you can, it says like you're a monk, like you call in different monads and different like, you know, it's like there's different aspects of you which make up yourself like there's different soul brothers or whatever it might be. So like, I did this exercise one night before bed, and I felt like I gave permission properly. Anyway, so this was in 2018. In December, it was Christmas Eve, my daughter was about two months old. My firstborn, we're all in bed together, me, my wife and my daughter. My daughter was like, so she's two months old, she's so tightly wrapped in a muslin wrap. She can't move. She's under the blanket. There's no way she's going anywhere. There's no way she's moving anywhere. Anyway, my wife wakes up in the middle of the night. And my daughter is moved. She's moved onto the floor, like next to next to a crib that was inside our bedroom. Still perfectly wrapped, still perfectly intact. Wasn't crying, she was dead asleep, wasn't like she could have fallen to any degree whatsoever. She was shifted. And like, I knew what I did the night before. And like, I was, I went there right then and there, I just fucking said every single revocation possible. It's like I did not give anyone permission to touch my daughter to deal with my daughter. I revoke everything, etc, etc, etc. But just the timeline of those experiences was way too coincidental. You know, it was way too, you know, intentional for it to be like a coincidence. That just so happened that night she was moved. When I decided to open up and, you know, engage in whatever I engaged in. Now, the thing is, like the exercise that I engaged in, I didn't feel like it was something outside of myself. You know, it was talking about different aspects of me. So I don't know, but that's always been like a personal thing of mine where I'm like, man, something happened that night that I can't explain. And yeah, it's trippy, but... Wow. [Speaker 1] (1:20:49 - 1:21:09) Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, you know, a lot of times these permission giving systems, it's almost like legal language, in the sense that besides what you say, there's also a lot of subconscious fine print. So you might have done an exercise where you just called in different parts of yourself. [Speaker 2] (1:21:10 - 1:21:10) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:21:10 - 1:21:28) But if that exercise came from a book that had been contaminated by some of these other forces, then it's possible that you established a subconscious psychic link to those forces through the book. And you kind of call that in despite the exercise on an overt level, pointing in a positive direction. So yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:21:28 - 1:21:30) It's curious. Very curious. [Speaker 3] (1:21:30 - 1:21:42) Yeah. Tom, we have a little bit of time left. And I'm curious your thoughts on everything that's going on in the mainstream current events around UFOs and all that. What your thoughts are around that? [Speaker 1] (1:21:44 - 1:26:47) Yeah, I've been studying that recently as well. Because it's been... I mean, you can't really avoid it if you watch the news, all this latest UFO news. A lot of it had to do with that incident in 2004, where this Navy ship, the USS Nimitz, was off the coast of San Diego. And there are a couple of F-18 Hornets that had been in the air on a training mission, and they were called off the mission to go investigate an unknown aerial object in the vicinity. And so one of the jets took off and went to circle overhead to kind of look down and the other one started approaching this object. And what they saw was they saw this white object in the shape of... It was shaped like a tic-tac, but it was the size of a bus. And it was just floating over the water, moving on like radically in weird ways. And it had no propulsion on it, no wings or propellers or jets or anything. And so when this one jet went to get closer to it, it started circling around with it and then it just accelerated and took off. And the jet above it was able to... The pilot above it was able to look down and see exactly what was going on. And the weapons systems officer back on the ship was able to see it, the crew was able to see it. And so it became very well documented. And then later that day, there was another jet that was sent up that saw the object again and actually started to chase it and captured it on both regular video and also infrared video. And those videos, three of those videos, were released by the Navy several years ago. And the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, they confirmed that these videos are authentic and that to this day, the military doesn't know what those objects were. And so because of that, there became a lot of buzz about the topic of UFOs, to the point where congressional action was taken, demanding that the Director of National Intelligence publish every year, a report, an official report on the latest state of military, FBI, government personnel sightings of these unknown objects. And so a report came out recently on that. And there was another one from last year. And these reports definitely state that military personnel have witnessed things that cannot be explained by any conventional physics, like objects moving against the wind, accelerating at incredible levels of acceleration, like 100 Gs, 1000 Gs. There are scientific studies done on these objects based on both the video evidence and also the eyewitness reports, saying that these objects can travel up to speeds of Mach 60 in atmosphere, and that's 60 times the speed of sound. And that's so fast, like even even the fastest hypersonic missiles that military has now, which are like the ultimate cutting edge, they only go up to Mach 25 at best. And the SR-71 Blackbird, which, you know, flies really high, and it's supposed to be like super fast. That was only Mach 3.3. So these things doing Mach 60 is it's beyond any known human technology. Now, the thing is, people who go out to Nevada, and they go out to Area 51 and those secret government test sites just to observe from a distance, sometimes they have seen crafts being flown, like test flown. And these crafts do the same maneuvers that some of these ET ships do, you know, like going 90 degree turns really fast, doing incredible acceleration. So some part of the military, probably in black projects, have similar capabilities as the supposed Tic Tac UFO that was seen by the Navy pilots. So, you know, we can't we can't say that this Tic Tac thing was necessarily extraterrestrial. It could have been some secret black ops drone, for example. But at least it's opened up the it's increasingly opened up the public awareness to this phenomenon. And it's become increasingly official within military and government channels. Now, another thing that we had recently was all those balloon incidences, right? That's been like the latest, the latest hot topic on social media on the news. I think some of those were balloons for sure. And some of those see because the thing is, if something can travel at Mach 60, it's not going to be let itself be shot down by a missile, you know, or bullets from a jet. So for these things to have been shot down recently, I'm pretty sure that they're human, they're probably just just drones bobbing in the wind or balloons or something like that. Because no one has reported about those that they had anomalous acceleration or was able to, you know, dodge missiles in really weird ways. So those are probably just human objects, you know. But once again, the UFO subject keeps popping up in the news more and more, it's not going away. And that's why, as I said earlier, if you look at the curve, the curve of attention on the UFO subject, it keeps going up and up and up. And that's why I think it's gonna hit a singularity point at some point in our lifetimes, where you're gonna have a real breakthrough. I don't know if it's a government fully admitting that they've had contact with ETS or something like that, or whether you actually have these beings showing up in our skies. But yeah, we'll just have to see. [Speaker 3] (1:26:48 - 1:26:55) Do you think any of this information gets put out in a certain way to distract the population from other things that may be happening? [Speaker 1] (1:26:56 - 1:28:21) Well, yeah, like, for example, the recent balloon thing, that happened right around the time of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, and the different corruption dealings between Joe Biden and Ukraine. And that was really starting to get picked up in the news. And all of a sudden, we have this balloon sighting. And of course, you know, they revealed that these balloons had been happening for a very long time, even during the Trump years, these blooms, these anomalous balloon sightings were happening. But it never really made the news, they always kept it under the wraps. And then all of a sudden, conveniently, during these political scandals, they revealed it to the public, you know, people had videos of them and started talking about it became viral. And once again, that acted as a smokescreen for all these other politically inconvenient things. So whether it's a war, like in the movie, Wag the Dog, where they construct an artificial war to distract from a presidential scandal, whether it's war, or it's UFOs, those two things, or like some mass shooting, for example, or, you know, or I mean, for all I know, even though Ohio chemical train disaster could have been something like that. But anyway, yeah, they have different options for sending up smokescreens to what's going on. But even so, there is a reality, of course, to the ET slash UFO phenomenon. And at some point, I think it's going to slip out of the grasp of these, these political motives, you know, it's gonna it's gonna go out of control, but they won't be able to control it. And then, and then we'll be confronted with the alien reality on on a massive scale. [Speaker 3] (1:28:24 - 1:28:54) Dude, first of all, it's great to meet you. It's great to connect with you. Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure you get this often, but the way you articulate and communicate this subject, and having that kind of integration between right and left side of the brain is extremely unique. And just so grateful that you shared time with us. Unless Joel, you have anything else to ask? I don't know if you wanted to talk about where people can find your work and support you and all that. [Speaker 2] (1:28:55 - 1:29:08) Yeah, I just echo everything you said, man. I think there's a lot more to explore on this subject plus cross related subjects. So if you're down, we'd love to get you back in the future. But for sure, man, let people know where they can find you and how they can support your work. [Speaker 1] (1:29:08 - 1:29:43) Okay, yeah, thanks a lot, Joel and Erasmus. It was really good being here. So yeah, you can go to my website montalk.net. I've got tons of articles there. I've got several of my books are free. You can download them as free PDFs. I think might be an EPUB format as well. So I try to put out as much free as I possibly can. But my other newest book Gnosis, you can find that on Amazon. That's about like ancient alien technologies and how they figure into religion and mythology. You can find that there. And I'm also on YouTube, Twitter, Gab, Telegram. It's all on my website. You'll see it there. [Speaker 3] (1:29:44 - 1:29:54) Yeah, we'll have everything in our show notes, man. And everyone listening, I mean, support Tom for sure. I mean, you've piqued my interest even more in these subjects. That's for sure. Yeah, for sure. [Speaker 2] (1:29:55 - 1:29:58) Guys, thanks for listening. Tom, appreciate your time. We'll see you next time.