Tom Montalk Nurturing Your Spiritual Potential

[Speaker 1] (0:00 - 1:54) What's up guys, I'm Joel Rafiti. I've got my co-host Jurasmus with me as always. And today we have the return of Tom Montauk. This guy is just absolutely incredible, such a diverse array of knowledge. And he's just, I don't know, he's extraordinary. I wouldn't give that label to many people, but he really, really is extraordinary. And there's so much that can be learned from this conversation for sure. Getting into lots of things, how to be more clairvoyant, develop psychic powers, pros and cons of AI, and different spiritual tools to really enhance your life. This is an awesome diverse conversation. Right before we bring Tom on, guys, I just want to thank you for being here. Thank you so much. This is our 212th episode. Absolutely wild to consider that we started this platform and week to week with consistency, we've grown in the way that we've grown. And we have people listening and absorbing and valuing the information. 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Without any further ado, Tom Montauk. [Speaker 2] (1:55 - 2:02) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 1] (2:04 - 32:38) All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. We have Tom Montauk returning. He first joined us episode 113, Exploring Alien Phenomena. Definitely recommend checking that one out. I guess just to recap, Tom is a researcher and author known for his in-depth explorations into metaphysics, alternative science, and spiritual philosophy. With a background in engineering, he brings a grounded approach to topics that include the nature of reality, hyperdimensional physics, and the interplay between science and spirituality. His work covers areas such as ET influence, spiritual awakening, and the hidden dynamic that shapes human experience. Highly recommend his website, montauk.net, if you've never been there or never checked it out. I think you will have your mind blown. He shares a wealth of articles, essays, and resources aimed at those seeking to understand the deeper layers of reality. Tom, welcome back to Here for the Truth, man. Hey, thanks so much. I'm glad to be back. Yeah, it's good to have you back. I guess let's just kick this off with a brief check-in, man. What's been happening? What are you feeling into at the moment? I guess that this threshold of humanity that we find ourselves at. Yeah, what's your current experience? Well, the one thing that I'm really detecting is that we are getting a very objective cultural shift happening, right? So, a lot of people want to be blackbilled and they want to say that everything is a psyop and this so-called great awakening, this cultural movement that's happening is, you know, just part of a psyop. But I think it's more than that. I think they're, usually when people awaken, it's hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's hard to reverse that. So, there is an irreversible increase in the level of awareness and consciousness in general. Now, of course, you always have a part of the population that is resistant to that. And the more things try to awaken, the more stubbornly they resist and the more they go in the other direction. So, you do have a darkening of the dark and a brightening of the light. That is what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a polarization effect. And the more this goes on, the more the system cannot sustain both ends of it. So, eventually something has to snap and a kind of phase transition happens, you know, like from when water turns in ice or vice versa, some sort of phase transition happens suddenly where you get a very rapid, rapid shift in technology, understanding, spirituality, uh, everything, okay? And so, I think we're approaching that singularity point very rapidly and we'll definitely see it within our lifetime. And in a way, I feel kind of privileged to see the changes that are happening right now because many wonderful things are happening. And unfortunately, the news tries to only really show the scary stuff. But there's so much good that's happening behind the scenes that, um, just based on the people that I've talked to, things I've seen online, the research that I'm doing now, I see that things are looking positive. And as I like to say, you know, there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but even though the tunnel might be dark between here and there, I think ultimately things are going to turn out pretty well. I would have to agree with that statement. I tend to be an optimist in that regards. And like, if you have eyes to see, you see, there's a lot of amazing, incredible things happening and connections being made and things coming out and communities being built. And, uh, you know, I feel pretty good about it, even though things are a little dicey, uh, at the moment. Yeah, I think we, like, I, people within like this movement and these communities, I think there's a propensity to underestimate just the, the, the monumentous moment that we're actually in, you know, we, we, we, I see a lot of people lacking the observation and lacking the foresight to realize that we're actually at this amazing crossroads right now, you know, but as you mentioned, man, some people are so black where it's like, they're not even seeing like just the, the, the, the incredibleness of the current moment. And like, for many of these people, like five, 10 years ago, like everything that is happening now, like they'd never would have dreamed of as to be happening now, you know, the open conversation around vaccines, around flu ride, around all this, all this other stuff that's happening now, it's like here, here it is. And, you know, we overlook it. Yeah. I mean, the world has gone through a kind of dark night of the soul over the past four years. Yeah. Cause things just prior to that, we're looking pretty good, but then all of a sudden it kind of nosedived. So, but as it is, even with an individual person's life, when you have the dark night of the soul, you come out of it transformed. So I'm seeing that transformation happening right now. And, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm feeling pretty good about it. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. We were recording this a day before the election is going to be our elections. We wouldn't have the hindsight or the foresight of knowing what's going to happen, but that nosedive that you speak of, like in hindsight, for me, it seems like a necessary nosedive, you know, it's almost like, I feel like we weren't ready, so to speak. That's true. Yeah, that is true. Because so when we talk about, for example, within ufology, the disclosure movement, you know, the idea that, Oh, aliens are real. And we want the government to admit that well, in order to even get to that point, there are so many other hidden things that would have to be disclosed first. You can't just have that, that primary thing. Uh, and so I think, um, I think even disclosure itself is a forerunner of an even greater awakening that includes spiritual awakening. And actually, you know, um, one of the smaller subcultural trends that we're starting to see in the past couple of years is the idea of like simulation theory or the idea that we're in a kind of consciousness construct or something. And that is something that, uh, especially prior to the matrix movie in the late nineties, I'd never heard of it before. People didn't really talk about that unless you go into like Hindu or Buddhist type traditions, right? But now, um, memes are being made about it. People are joking about it. Many books are being written on the idea and PhDs are getting behind that idea. So, um, I think that's where things are sort of trending to see idea that, uh, the more, you know, the more you understand the illusory nature of what actually is illusion, the more you gain your power back because when you place your power into fears that aren't even real, then of course you give it away. Right. So, there has to be a deconstruction of the consensus reality to get to that point. And I think that is where things are ultimately trending. Yeah. What do you think is going to happen tomorrow? I know, I know it won't be tomorrow when people are listening to this, but I'm just curious your thoughts since we've had people touch upon it in their own ways. Yeah. Well, I think the momentum is definitely on Trump's side. Uh, cause any, any prior poll, you know, before the election, of course, it always sits Trump right around 70 to 30, maybe 60 to 40, something like that. And I think it's probably what it was in 2020 as well. However, we do know that there is a very, uh, questionable framework within the election system that can sway things one way or the other because, you know, the, uh, the CIA, they, uh, they engaged in election interference in other nations in order to swap out candidates with whatever is in the interest of the United States. And I know that, um, like Obama, for example, many years ago, his administration, there's suspicion that they started turning that apparatus around on the American citizenry in order to start influencing elections even more. So that's, that's what, you know, what some people, some people are claiming. So I guess we will see the, the competition between the organic, uh, push of the American population versus the artificial counterpunch and which one of those will win out. Um, so I think, I think Trump will win. And if he does, then there will be a lot of lawfare, um, pushback. I think we will see an actual insurrection this time from the other side because they can't just control themselves sometimes. So, uh, things would be pretty dicey. Uh, and I'll also know that, um, in the Middle East war with Iran is heating up more than ever, but that, that could serve as a kind of a distraction or, um, counter gambit, I guess, to prevent January 20th or January 6th from happening and 20th. So that, that, then until entire time period between now and January is going to be extremely turbulent, but I think also surprising in a positive way. Yeah, for sure. Um, back to what you were saying about like the, the rise of simulation theory post, you know, the, the matrix, um, like, what do you think it's like, you know, for, for me, it's like what people view as and describe as simulation can, for me, just like we put down to like the laws of nature, like the laws of reality and maybe like people can't handle, or they're, they're unable to hold the incredible magic and synchronous nature of this reality that they have to then like reduce it to like a computer or a simulatory kind of experience. Whereas what if that's just reality? What if that's just nature? Yeah. So the thing is there are two possibilities with that. So on one hand you have the Eastern point of view, but again, Hinduism and Buddhism, which is that everything is consciousness and therefore everything that we see is an illusion. Okay. And then on the other hand, you've got the hard materialist scientific viewpoint, which is that, yeah, I mean, everything is just nature. It's just physics and that's all there is. And then consciousness as a product of that. Well, in my personal opinion, I think it's a mix of both. Okay. And the way that you can conceive of it is that for example, in your nightly dreams, okay. So in your nightly dreams, you're actually in an environment that has gravity. It's got sunshine. It's got the wind blowing on your face. You know, you got walls that you can, if you don't test it, the wall seems solid. Okay. So even within your own illusion in your head, there is already a kind of physics that is built into it, but it is a programmed part of your subconscious. So it's your subconscious that has been programmed by something. Well, in this case, your five senses to replicate the idea of limitation of programming of certain rules. And these five define the box that you're kind of bounded within, within your dreams. So I'm thinking, you know, what if waking reality is ultimately a consciousness construct, but a part of it has been programmed very precisely in order to emulate the idea of physics and the idea that, you know, we've got solid walls and the laws of conservations of energy and momentum and the entire gamut of physics. Well, you know, someone, a philosopher might say, okay, well, you know, you're just kind of, you're just doing semantics and solidism because how can you even tell them therefore that this simulation, if it's that real, okay, if it's that precisely programmed, how can you tell that it is a simulation and not actual reality? And I say, well, wait, wait a minute, not so fast. What about synchronicities? What about consciousness doing manifesting or reality creation? As some of them call it, you know, the idea that you can use your conscious subconscious beliefs to influence probability. Okay. What about paranormal events and glitches like deja vus and all these, all these weird things that are around the periphery of consensus reality, but those things cannot be explained within the framework of physics as reality because there's nothing within physics that can explain it. The only way you can explain it is some sort of subconscious mechanism like Jung originally explored in his book synchronicity. So that's the thing. It seems to me that therefore physics is more of a kind of a suggestion. It's a, it's a tendency, not an absolute law, because a lot of us in our own lives, we have glitches, we have synchronicities, we have things that defy the laws of physics. And therefore it shows that consciousness is the primary thing. And physics is merely the thing that arises out of it. However, that being said, whatever it is that enforces physics, and now in my opinion, it might be some sort of a universal collective subconscious and the ancient Greeks would call it the demi-urge. So this demi-urge is like, technically speaking, it's like a thought form or an egregore, which is what the occultists would call it. It's basically a construct within the field of consciousness that has programming in it and it executes a certain function. And so if that function happens to be to enforce the laws of physics, then in this collective dream that we're within, we have this very rigid framework that you can mathematically, you know, diagram out and you can do experiments and, you know, put billions of dollars into some super collider and find new particles. But all of that is still part of the narrative. That's still part of the fiction because it is that well-programmed, but it is fuzzy at the edges and our synchronicities and glitches that show that, that thing, it's a, it's a prop, you know, it's a prop for the story of our lives, which is really a story of, you know, just like Joseph Campbell outlined the, the journey of the hero. It is sort of that cycle that our spirit, our soul goes through within this construct. And therefore everything that is physical, you know, even, even the sun itself is in a sense of just a prop for that story of our soul. But it's almost like physics or the fixed part of reality is like our agreed upon assumptions about reality. Yeah. Yeah. We definitely buy into it. Now, the thing is perhaps it is not so much that our generated consensus is what creates this physical reality. Maybe, maybe it's more that we collectively made an agreement with whatever it is that upholds this reality. It's, it's one of those two. Okay. Or it could be a mix of both, I guess. But for example, if there is a kind of demiurge, like a universal subconscious or like a, like a central server of an online multiplayer game, if there is something like that, then when you join that game, your computer, your personal PC has to make a handshake with that central server in order to join that online experience. So perhaps by us incarnating here, we sort of did a kind of a, we will permission handshake with the thing that kind of presides over this reality. And therefore we are here now. And therefore we are still subject for the time being to the rules of physics. Now there are exceptions, like, you know, people that can bend spoons and there's cases of levitation and people who can do miraculous healings. And in those cases, I think what it probably is, is that their own conscious and it's their own spirit, which is from outside of this construct is overriding the power, the pull of this demiurgic thought form energy field that normally, you know, takes the default control. You know, it's, it's the thing that's a, it's like autopilot on a car. It's the default thing, but you can always take control of the wheel and move it yourself if you have the power and the skill to do so. And some psychics and some people with just natural abilities have that ability to override the default automatic process that assembles this reality together. And that's how you get to a very miraculous paranormal super natural powers. Yeah. Have you had any personal experiences where you've like overridden this like demiurge? So for me, I get synchronicities all the time. I get the matrix glitches. I have experimented a lot with manifesting, using your thoughts and your beliefs and your emotions to, to shift probabilities. So I've done a lot of experiments there in order to map out how it works, what the limits are, what the different variables are to it. And so for me, I've definitely done a lot of it enough to convince me that, Oh man, it really does work. It really does work, but there are limits, you know, but it does work. And if you put in the effort, then it works pretty well. So I've had that, I've had paranormal experiences. I've had, for example, being in a car accident where it should have like totally gone through you, but something happened and the car misses you at the fraction of a second and you play it back and you realize there's no way that it should have been able to miss you. So some sort of intervention that happened. Now, I don't think that was personally my consciousness. It could have been some other protective force that came in to shift time a little bit or shift the timeline or do something funny to physics. But the thing is I've communicated with tens of thousands of people over the past decades online. And most of them have, many of them have shared with me their personal matrix glitch experiences. So I've amassed like a huge database in my head of all these counterexamples to the idea that reality is only a material mechanical cold universe, right? So that is why I have the viewpoint that I do is because I just have too much data coming at me that tells me it's other than the mainstream view that there is, uh, that this is a very solid, very persistent, but not infallible construct of consciousness. Yeah. What blows my mind around this, cause I'm curious your thoughts, because I've had my own experiences that I think maybe relate to this, like premonition dreams, like having a dream about something happening. And then the next day I get a call that the thing happened, you know, or, or when I was, when I was younger and I used to like watch a lot of TV and go through the channel, like, like the remote control, I can't tell you how many times, like all of a sudden I'd have a thought of a movie and then I'd press the up on the channel and then the movie would come up, you know, like things like that or, or dream about someone. And then I wake up to an email from them. So I'm just curious, like what's going on there. Oh yeah. Like one of the examples that I've cited before in another interview is, uh, where I was sleeping and I had a dream of a comb, like a hair comb with really sharp edges on it. And then all of a sudden I wake up cause the phone is ringing. I stumble over and I answer the phone as a wrong number. And the guy asked like, Hey, is this, is this edge combs like edge combs? He asked, is it, it's an auto service place in Charlottesville, Virginia, where I used to live. So things like that, where the future is bleeding into the past. Uh, and I think the reason why that is, is because when we are dreaming, okay, when we're, when we're asleep, we're not locked into linear time as precisely as we are when we're awake. So we're kind of fuzzy, right? Right. Cause like in quantum physics, right? When like the double slit experiment, if you're observing the double slit experiment, then it turns out one way, but if you're not observing it, then it turns out the more like fuzzy quantum way. Well, what is sleep other than a kind of consciousness where you're not really observing the waking world? So therefore you're not collapsing the waking world as sharply as to finally as would be otherwise. So maybe at that point, nonlinearities and time and consciousness start to happen. And maybe you start picking up on things in the future that normally would be blocked out as part of it. Uh, and also if you are naturally clairvoyant to some degree, then of course, if you're clairvoyant, then you've got antennas that can kind of sense into, well, it can sense beyond linear time. So therefore you got precognition, you can sense things like that. But if you're only mildly psychic, then maybe in your regular waking life, okay, you don't consider yourself a psychic, but when you're asleep, okay, now your antennas are just a little bit long enough to start picking up on those ESP perceptions from the future or parallel timelines or some sort of a entity in your room that you might not normally be conscious of. And maybe that'll start showing up in your dreams. So I think it's, I think it's something, a combination of the quantum stuff and also a little bit of a ESP clairvoyant abilities. Yeah. Are there ways to cultivate this more? Like I think about things when I was younger that I maybe a little bit more connected to and then was now not as much. So yeah, I'm curious your thoughts about that. Wait, so in your case, would you say that in your younger years when you're more connected, is that when you were also more psychic or were you doing anything to be more connected? I don't think I was doing anything more so. Yeah, I can't really think of anything specific. I wouldn't say like it was so distinct, like, okay, when I was 10, it was like, you know, a hundred percent in and now it's not. It's just, I feel like I have more memories around things like that, like I shared happening. So specifically in order to be more clairvoyant, there are two things that people generally do. Okay. So imagine, imagine you're like a radio receiver that doesn't really have an antenna. So you turn the radio on and all you get is static. That's what most people are. We don't really have an antenna. Now, some people could say, well, all right, I don't know what an antenna is, but I do know that if I take the radio circuit and I make it really sensitive and I implement like noise filtering algorithms, I can, I can eke out a very tiny signal of an actual radio station. And that's what some people do. They, they tune into their intuition. They do meditations to try to be very sensitive to that little tiny voice within you, your little intuition. And the more they can kind of eke that out from the general noise, the more clairvoyant they consider themselves to be. However, that is kind of doing it backwards because what you really want to do is you really want to extend that antenna, make it longer. So then therefore you start picking up stronger and stronger signals and you don't have to do as much discrimination between what's noise and what is real. And so, a lot of the Eastern practices and also Rosicrucian practices that involve manipulating your internal subtle energy field, moving it up and down, you know, accumulating it in different parts of your body, those kinds of energy stimulation exercises, they tend to wake up latent subtle energy structures within you, your chakras, your meridians, and the dantians within the Buddhist system. So those areas get activated. And the more activated they become, the more subtle energy they produce, and the more dense and large your external subtle energy field becomes. And therefore, what will happen is you'll start growing those antennas that I mentioned earlier, like, you know, you'll start extending your psychic etheric subtle energy body antennas, and those then start picking up on actual ESP perceptions. So through these energy exercises, yeah, you can wake up these different centers. The problem, however, is if that is the only thing that you do, then all you're doing is you're extending the antenna, but you're not cleaning up the noise filtering circuit, you're not cleaning up the tuning mechanism of the radio, and you'll start picking up garbled messages. So sometimes people, whether they do this intentionally, or they have this ability naturally, you know, when they're born with it, they're psychic, but they don't have a good tuning mechanism. And so they tune into all kinds of crazy stuff, and they don't know what to make of it. So they try to, like, rationalize whatever this thing is. And so they develop a very wacky worldview that is almost kind of schizophrenic, to put it honest, because they haven't, it's like looking through a kaleidoscope at an actual ordinary object, and you think that the kaleidoscope image is the object, you start getting a very distorted view of it. So in addition to these etheric energy exercises, you also have to do a kind of a cleanup of your soul qualities, your moral qualities, your spiritual connection to the divine. Once you combine all of that together, then things turn out relatively better, okay? And so, for example, Rudolf Steiner, in his book, How to Know Higher Worlds, or Knowledge of the Higher Worlds is another name for it. In that book, that is one of the few books that actually gets into the development of your moral soul qualities, and not just the etheric energy stimulation exercises, which actually, in that book, he purposely says, yes, you know, there are other ways to become psychic faster, but I recommend against those, because they can do exactly what I just warned about, like people getting very screwed up views of reality. But the thing is, as long as you do both that and the moral stuff, then I think that's the fastest way to develop these kinds of abilities. But you have to be careful, because all these energy exercises, it's just like with physical exercises in the gym. If you do the wrong movement, you might throw out your back, right? So, when you do these etheric things, you have to do a lot of study, be very careful with it, and go gently, and kind of pull back and stop if bad things are starting to happen. Yeah, thank you for that. What, can you speak more into the moral component? Like, is this something that is, like, I guess, beyond self-integrity, etc? Yeah, right. So, the moral component, it's not just about like, oh, making sure not to use your psychic powers for bad, like, you know, reading people's minds and being a con artist and ripping them off. It's not like that. It's, we're talking about things like self-discipline, practicing having an open heart, like not becoming very cold. Like, because, you know, once you start doing, let's say, remote viewing or cognition, it's very easy to have your ego get cocky with it, and to start seeing, oh, yeah, that person's thinking of that, and that person's thinking of that, and all humans are trash, because they're all thinking trash in their heads. It's very easy to become misanthropic and kind of cynical about things. So, that's really, really bad. That's more in the path of black magic, because then you start realizing, well, because if you go down that path, then you start thinking, well, all people are crap, so therefore it's okay if I start manipulating them and ripping them off, because they deserve it. See, that's, you don't want to go down that path. So, you have to have this compassion. You know, it's almost like when you're a doctor and you're dealing with a sick kid, you don't blame the kid for being sick. You have compassion for the kid, and you do what's use your powers to make the kid better. Well, that's the same thing, right? So, there are very highly spiritually evolved psychic people in this world that we would almost put on the level of, like, esoteric masters or some sort of secret society person. There are people like that, where if you meet them, you would never know necessarily that they're a part of that. However, they're like that doctor treating the kid, in that they're psychic enough to read your soul, read your destiny, what your needs are, what your problems are, and they say and do the right things to you to nudge you in that positive direction. So, there are people like that, and that is an example of the proper use of these psychic powers. So, to finish answering your question, so some other traits that have to do with moral qualities also has to do with, besides that, also has to do with, like, self-control, for example. So, Rudolf Steiner's book, he does get into all these things, and I don't remember them all off the top of my head, because there's a really long list of different things that he gets into, and his book isn't really bullet-pointed, so it's kind of hard to remember exactly what he said where, but yeah. You're not evolved enough. I can't believe you don't have everything memorized as Steiner has ever said. Oh, man, you know what? I have, like, over a dozen Steiner books, because he talks about one thing 10% in one book, and then he continues it 10% in another book. So, you have to buy, like, 12 books just to get 100% view of something, and trying to keep track of it all is very difficult, but, I mean, I like Steiner. He says some weird things, but there's diamonds in that rough, and that's the only reason why I keep on keeping up with him. It's a treasure hunt with a lot of these thinkers from the past, you know? It's like, you know, am I going to agree with every single thing a person says? No, but, like, you get one book here, you get another book there, and you connect the dots, and it's pretty magical. Well, exactly, and kind of related to that, so there's a thing within alchemy, within secret society literature, the idea of silence, or the idea that knowledge has to be earned, okay? Now, we could look at that, and we could say, oh, they're just being selfish, they're kind of being egotistical, trying to make a big deal about the little secret, but it's actually not that. What it has to do with, it has to do with the fact that sometimes when people stumble upon an idea that either they're not ready for, or they're just not morally equipped to handle responsibly, they either misuse it, or they misunderstand it, or it gets to them in a way that isn't healthy for them. Like, they might become neurotic, or psychotic, or, you know, like, for example, knowledge of paranormal entities that are around us in our own homes sometimes. I mean, if you're someone who doesn't have a lot of self-control, and you learn about that, you might start getting really antsy at night, and you have trouble sleeping, and then, you know, you start going to this downward spiral. So, the reason why I bring that up is because some of these older books, they have a mechanism in place to make it harder for you to get what they're talking about, okay? They purposely put that in there, whether it's using long words, or long sentences, or making the book hard to access, or something. And that's sort of the opposite of modern culture, which is all about dumbing things down to the fifth grade level, so that you can mass market a book and make a million bucks, or whatever. It's the opposite of that. And understand, there's reasons for both, you know? So, I'm not criticizing either one. But Rolf Steiner, he was old school. So, yeah, you know, I don't think he purposely tried to conceal, but he did omit certain things, and he didn't go out of his way to make things super, super easy to understand, like a lot of these modern self-help authors, you know? I feel that way about Steiner, you know? I haven't delved super deep into his stuff, but there are times where I'm reading, I'm like, all right, I need to take a little bit more time with this. Yeah, well, you know, I think with the advent of AI, you could probably just pop that book into an AI and say, hey, give me a modern summary of it in bullet points, and spits it right out. Real quickly, well, to segue into that, like, what are your thoughts on AI? And just to note, AI wrote the bio for you, I read earlier. Oh, that is funny. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's funny. It'd be ironic if I were some robot or some AI myself. I'm not, I'm not. I didn't give it any information about you. I said, give me a bio for someone's old method of gaming. Oh, interesting. So, it's good that it didn't hallucinate, like, Tom Montauk lives on the moon. Crazy. So, I mean, look, AI nowadays, in its current state, all it is is a statistical prediction algorithm. So, when it starts a sentence, it, like, kind of predicts what the next thing should say based on the most probable thing that the collective consciousness would say that has been programmed into it. And that's sort of how AI generally works. So, it's, it's sort of an illusion. I don't personally think that it is conscious in any way. It's a mechanical Turk, you know, that's the term for it, but a thing that pretends to be human, but is actually a machine. Um, so anyway, I, I think, um, I think AI has a lot of positive potential, but of course, oh man, it could, it could go off the rails so quickly and so badly that ultimately, I think the risks outweigh the benefits. So, I'm not on the, uh, the acceleration bandwagon where I think we should just go a hundred percent full steam into AI. Now, unfortunately, China's going full steam, Russia's going full steam, all these other nations are going full steam. So, if we want to be very moralistic here in America and say, Hey, you know what, we're going to not do it within, within about a hundred years time, we'll probably be taken over by some of those other nations. And we won't even have an American identity. So unfortunately, as a matter of self-defense, just like people buying guns for home defense, yeah, we do have to develop it. Um, but we have to be very careful not to extend it into areas that it shouldn't be. Like for example, um, like a neural link brain chip that is tied into an AI that thinks for you or stores your memories for you. I mean, can you imagine, right? I mean, some people, some people would, would, would take that opportunity because, Oh man. And like, I don't have to study for college. I can just have this knowledge instantly. They do that and sure. Okay. And then now they'll get like high level jobs in government or corporations or whatever, but then they lose their soul. They lose their independence of thought. It starts taking them over and they then just become a piece of, uh, of software themselves. And that's bad. Yeah. It's like the matrix when he's like, I know Kung Fu, you know, like that's wild. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's doable in a, a very careful way for research and for a certain things. But, um, once you, once from there, once they become reliant on it, the biggest slippery slope I see is the downward spiral of human creative thoughts, you know, becoming so reliant on it for answers and even for creative projects that, you know, we're just the right hemisphere just, you know, deactivates. Exactly. Yeah. Right. Because it's not just about having the knowledge. It's about the process of gathering it. Cause there's decisions to be made along that process. There's a discovery process. You have to apply your intuition. You have to apply your intuition. And what is your intuition? Your intuition is a connection to your higher spiritual intelligence. [Speaker 3] (32:39 - 32:39) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (32:39 - 39:03) So if you get everything served to you on a silver platter and you never exercise that, that part's going to atrophy. And you're going to rely on the so-called intuition of an artificial AI creation that has been programmed by, yeah, people with agendas. Yeah. I feel that for sure. Um, slippery slope and a fine line, you know, cause these tools can support you in certain ways, but you just can't allow it. Of course. But as with any new technology, you know, in my opinion, like there's no stopping it. I think, I don't think there's an option to turn away from it, but you know, we're going to develop the relationship that we develop with it. And, if we go too far at a kilter, then hopefully there's a self-correction mechanism that comes in and it's a learning process, but nothing can stop, you know, the advance of AI and the integration of it. Yeah. So if you cannot stop it, then the only right way thing to do it is to channel it in a positive way. Yes. And to relate to it more consciously. It's even social media, you know, Instagram, Facebook, you're going to allow social media to completely hijack you and to waste all your time on things that don't really push your life forward or go, okay, it's a tool. I mean, how many of us have connected with so many people through social media? Yeah. And like Facebook, for example, as we know, there's a lot of censorship there. It's a very restrictive environment. So that's the reason why alternatives have popped up over time. I mean, of course, other people want to make money too, but it's not just that it's also an alternative when things get too restrictive. And so I think that AI will probably be used, I mean, if not in America, then definitely in Europe and Russia and China and all these authoritarian areas, it'll definitely be used as a tool of oppression. However, that'll spawn a market for alternatives. Yes. Like counter AIs, privacy AIs, AIs that can, you know, I don't know, fight that in some way. So there's definitely, it kind of reminds me of the advent of biological life, especially bacteria and how even within our own bodies, we've got our good defender bacteria, and then we've got the external pathogenic bacteria. So there's a competition, there's like an immune system going on. So I do think that AI will create like a kind of cyber immune system in a way versus cyber threats and some sort of homeostatic balance will eventually emerge out of that. Where's AI going to be in like 10 years, 15 years, 20 years? I mean, even now, like the first level, people are kind of blown away by what it's capable of. Yeah. Well, so assuming that there isn't like an invasion of Taiwan that destroys a lot of the chip factories there and all these kinds of setbacks, I'm assuming we're just going to steady trajectory. Within 10 years, all the papers that I've seen on it, they do predict that artificial general intelligence will be a thing at that point. And what that means is that the AI that you've interacted with up to now is like kindergarten level compared to that. And so, man, at that point, you'll see a major shift in technology, engineering, biomedicine, genetics, pretty much any field will be impacted by it. And see, here's the problem. The problem is once AI gets to the point where it makes human intelligence almost obsolete. Now, I agree with you, Joel, that human creativity is something that simply cannot be genuinely replaced. But we have a mainstream consensus reality that doesn't put much value on spiritual abilities or connection to the divine or anything like that. They only see things from a materialistic five-sense perspective. So within that little sphere, AI is the natural superior thing to human abilities. And so therefore, yeah, I mean, you'll, for example, judges will probably be replaced by AI, the Supreme Court could be replaced by an AI, things like that. Even the president could be replaced by an AI at that point. You could have an entire government. I mean, philosophy throughout history doesn't even have a word for that kind of government, democracy, anarchy, whatever, because AI is a new thing. So I mean, technically, it would be like a technocratic tyranny run by an AI, depending on what nation you're in. But that's sort of the future that we could go towards unless there is political, philosophical resistance to it, and a kind of moderation of it. So I think, at least in the American case, there will still be a human oversight of it. And it will still be a kind of, it'll have a leash, it'll have a leash on it for moral reasons, because the quality of life will go way down if we just have a tyrannical AI running everything. I mean, it could turn into Terminator real quick, but it's going to be tough and it's going to take a lot of both technological innovation, but also moral, spiritual innovation to wrangle that wild horse. When you think about like Terminator and other movies that so-called, like, predict things that are happening, like, do you think that's just someone, like the writer of that is like tapping into their imagination and is bringing that into reality or is seeing something that's, you know what I mean? Well, here's the interesting thing. There are people here right now that their life that they have, it's, you can tell that their life is arranged by destiny. It is part of their destiny to do something that involves the internet. But they were born, let's say 20 years before the internet was even invented. Okay. What does that tell you? That tells you that already before they were born in the ethers, there was already this idea of the internet. There's already the potential for it. And it was such an inevitability that they were born here and kind of structured the life around the eventual coming of that. So I think that right now kids are being born whose destiny involves things that we can't even imagine yet, but they're already there. They're already there. And if they are already there, then perhaps some of these writers were tapping into the same etheric potential that is, you know, that already exists. Now, of course, of course, ideas come way before the technological implementation, because I mean, you can imagine anything like, you know, these sci-fi movies where you've got this holographic pop up and you got a little holographic keyboard stuff on it. If you tried to do that right now in real life, it's very expensive and very cumbersome because the technology isn't there yet, but you can imagine it. So you can imagine it. Right. And so I think the same thing with Terminator, I think there's a lot of things that were already in motion by that point. Things were already in the ethers. It's not too outlandish to think that, what was his name, Cameron something that he came up with? [Speaker 3] (39:03 - 39:03) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (39:03 - 58:37) James Cameron? Yeah, James Cameron. So it's not outlandish to think that he could have tapped into that potential, both logically and sort of intuitive sensing of what's ahead. Yeah. Well, in a similar way, I've heard it suggested that, you know, authors like Tolkien were tapped into like other worlds or other realms or different timelines and like, all that, you know, the Lord of the Rings story took place somewhere, someplace, and he was just kind of, you know, etched into that. Yeah, I heard about that. And some people were claiming that Tolkien actually, he reconstructed the original history of humanity before the modern age. Who knows if it's before the last ice age or, you know, some super duper ancient thing. Now, but you bring up a good point, which is, what if he was outlining the history of parallel world, some other reality, some other realm or something that's very close to ours. And so therefore we wouldn't necessarily have archaeological records of hobbits and orcs. I mean, although there were like those little homo florensis, little tiny people that they found somewhere and people were joking that they're like the hobbits. So, I mean, there is some archaeological evidence for it, but it very well could be the history of another parallel world. And I would say the same also for some of the Indian epics, like the Mahabharata, some of those wars that happened, they might not even have happened on Indian subcontinent in our own timeline, in our own history, in our own earth. Could have been a parallel earth, it could have been a higher dimensional reality. And of course, you know, here's the thing. If you were to go from one reality to another, what if you can't bring matter with you? What if you can't bring your body with you? What if you can only bring consciousness with you? So, if you bring consciousness with you and you project a new body here, or maybe you occupy some existing body here, the only thing that you can bring with you is knowledge, memories, music, and myths. You can bring stories with you. So, some of the myths that we have in our own record, what if they're not even from our own history? They could be from some other realm that is brought here. You know, just like if you have a dream, you know, what can you bring from a dream into this waking world? You can bring memories, music, ideas, and stories. So, maybe it's a process like that. Yeah. Yeah, I love this Kwebbelmachal Tessarion. Perhaps the greatest myth being purveyed is that myths are just myths. Yeah. Yeah. So, my latest book, the one that came out a couple of years ago, it's called Gnosis. It's an interesting book. But the headline on Amazon, the little tagline that I put beneath it is, myth is reality and reality is myth. That's what I said because, I mean, that occurred to me as being the fundamental bottom line of that particular book, where I do get into ancient history and alien technologies and how they've affected history and the timeline and, you know, just other realms involved as well. So, I do think it's a very interesting possibility to consider. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You've been writing a pretty awesome series on spiritual tools and practices, you know, for more energy, for protection, things of that nature. Do you mind exploring some of those with us here? Yeah, sure thing. So, one of the first things that I talked about in there is the idea of contemplation. So, of course, you know, everyone talks about meditation and there's a lot of material out there on meditating, but contemplating is a different process because it is more active and it requires more of your intuition and your reason and those things working together in order to contemplate effectively. Now, I know the term for contemplation is self-inquiry or inquiry. And people like, what's his name, Adyashanti, he wrote a book called True Meditation or it was called True Contemplation, it's one of those. He wrote a book on it and some others, Sri Maharshi, one of those people like Indian teachers, they also talked about this process of self-inquiry. But the thing is, if you just grab a notebook and a pen and you just jot down your thoughts, you jot down the questions that are on your mind of the things that you've recently been watching or reading or experiencing. The thing is, a lot of people, we go through life and we see something and we're like, oh, that doesn't really fit, that's kind of weird, and you just kind of skip past it. Or you read something in the book and like, oh, that's an interesting idea, I wonder where that could go, but then you just kind of skip past it. Well, what if you don't skip past it? What if you remember it, write it down, and then use it as a topic of contemplation for 10, 15 minutes at night, just kind of chilling and kind of contemplating in a notebook. See, it's a very powerful thing because when you brainstorm like that, when you analyze it, when you tap into your intuition, you're exercising the core parts of your spirit that make you who you are. You have free will, you have the ability to reason, you have a heart, you have intuition, and all those things can be combined into a single exercise of merely contemplating, whether it's contemplating your own life, your issues, how to be a better person, how to try harder, like your faults that you had today, and how to correct those. It could be that, it could be, or just more abstract stuff like philosophical things, like what is reality? How does consciousness, what is the basis of consciousness behind our daily experiences? And you start thinking about your own life, okay, I've had synchronicities, well, what does that imply? That implies that consciousness does affect reality, but at the same time, I don't like fall through the floor if I'm not thinking about the floor, so there's something else. So you start going through this reasoning process, and eventually, you can kind of boil it down into a couple bottom line statements at the end, and those are awesome, because you can just draw a little box around it, and then like a month from now, when you've totally forgotten that you even did this, you kind of flip back in your notebook, and you're like, oh yeah, that's right, and then you've got this little box of like the perfect little conclusions that you've had. And so if you do this, then over time, you start building up more and more solid and well-combed or well-conditioned paradigm that you're carrying around with you, and so you're doing all this crunching, not just data crunching, but intuition crunching, and it makes you stronger, it makes you sharper, it makes you more lucid, it makes you more introspective, right? So it's a wonderful exercise for just making you smarter in general, you know, not just IQ smarter, but like spiritually smarter by doing this sort of thing. Now, some people love to contemplate by going for walks or kind of laying down and thinking about things, but the problem is, it's just like with doing mathematics in your head, you can add like one or two digit numbers in your head, right? But what if you have to like multiply like four digit by a four digit number, you can't do it in your head, you have to write it down. So the same thing with these mysteries, with life's problems, if you have a notebook and you write it down, you can just do so much more with it, because you're offloading it from your mind onto paper, and now you can just kind of look at it, and with this freed up load in your mind, you can have more perspective and more space and more RAM or whatever you want to call it to tackle these issues. So contemplation, it's not normally considered a spiritual exercise, but I personally, that's the one that I've benefited from the most beyond even meditation itself. That's one of those, yeah. Yeah, man, I 100% agree, you know, like, we don't pull the thread on those curiosities that we have all the way, you know, like, and so often, especially in our culture today, like we get these insights, we have these curiosities about certain topics, but then it just stops there. We don't go through the process of exploring it, man. I think there's so much richness and vastness. And I love the promotion of an active mind, as opposed to purely, you know, observational kind of meditative mind, like watching your thoughts come and go, you know. But if those thoughts contain incredible meaning and can lead to something amazing in your life, and it's asking you to kind of pull that through it. Yeah, so that's one of the difficulties I've had with meditations where they tell you to, oh, just blank your mind, and you'll get downloads. Because I'm like, okay, well, I'm blanking my mind. So if something happens, I'd blank it out. So I'm like pushing out the downloads by trying to keep a mind blank. But see, it's because they're not explaining it too well. What they really mean is, okay, stop thinking about the groceries you have to get, you know, what you have to do at work tomorrow, or whatever. Stop doing that. And just be open and kind of, you know, be receptive. But that state is exactly what I'm doing when I'm contemplating in a notebook. I'm asking a question, and then I'm pausing. I'm kind of feeling into the answer. I'm feeling into it. And then intuitively, yeah, sure, I'll get something out of the blue. Okay, I'll get this idea. I'll write it down. Okay, there we go, another idea, and so on. So it's almost like doing a micro form of channeling of your own intuition of your own higher self or spirit when you do that. And by writing it down, that's good, because now you can switch to your logical mind, and you can analyze those things for faults. Like what if you thought you're getting it from your spirit or your higher self, but it was like some trickster entity somewhere that's just like popping a little false idea into your head. If you're going to be all new age and kind of fluffy about it, then you'd be like, well, it felt right. So therefore, I believe it's real. Well, not necessarily. There could be a major logical flaw with it. So yeah, you want to be as sharp in your left brain as you are open in your right brain with these sorts of things. And it's by merging those two. It's merging those two, the head and the heart or head and intuition, logic and intuition. That is how you do the magic. That is where the alchemy comes in to take information, take experiences, and turn it into actual higher wisdom. It's through that process. You know, I think about this in regards to human design as well. I don't know if you've ever gotten into human design, but like even just how we can be influenced and conditioned by other people's thought form. So it's like, are these my thoughts? Are these guiding me towards what I really want? Are these things that I should be thinking about? Or it's like, no, this isn't for me, and I need to tap in more to my intuition about what is right from not. Yeah, and seeing that actually brings up another good point, which is in order to even observe your thoughts, you have to divorce yourself from them. Because normally we are in our thoughts. We are in our emotions. It's like putting on a mask and losing yourself in the character that you're acting. You're totally forgetting your entire life outside that character. And so it's important, therefore, to take that stand back. And when you do take a stand back, what you realize is that you, the actual you, you're not those thoughts. You're not those feelings. You're like an observer that is up and a little bit back, like looking down upon it, and who has the choice of forgetting about itself and entering into that character and losing itself in the emotion. So it's one of those things you can do when you're feeling kind of sad or even anytime you're emotionally triggered in some way, okay? The default reaction is to go ahead and just kind of immerse yourself into it and get lost in it and feel sorry about yourself in this particular example. But what you can do is, if you catch yourself, you can pull yourself out of it and you realize, wait a minute, the actual true me isn't really feeling that. It's sort of neutral, if not amused, looking down upon it. And if you want to, you feel like, okay, you know what? I don't have to pretend to be this character. I can just be me. And all of a sudden you feel kind of happy. You feel kind of light because that is the true essence of you versus this little drama character that you were just projecting yourself into. So that split, that sort of pulling back, that is another interesting exercise to incorporate because it's the way to master your reactions and your buttons and your triggers is to do that, is to become self-aware and kind of shift out. Yeah. And you could even choose to some degree, like let's say you have a little bit more awareness and go, you know what? I want to be with this for a bit. So it doesn't take you over in a sense. There is enough of this little crack of awareness of you're having this experience and then it's like, okay, I could pull back from it now. Whereas I think a lot of people, they don't have that relationship or that connection that they just are overtaken and they just feel like, this is it. This is who I am. This is how I'm always going to be forever. Yeah, exactly. Because see, as you know, we humans, we are dual beings. We're not just one consciousness. We have the consciousness. Well, if it even is a consciousness, but we have the AI programming of ego, of our subconscious shadow issues and such, right? And we have the body itself with its somatic consciousness and biological instincts and evolutionary programming. So that's one thing. That's like a horse. That's like a horse. And then our true consciousness is like the rider that's on the horse. Now, the issue is if you were born as a rider on a horse and you always ever spent your time on a horse, eventually you would start identifying with a horse and you might even forget that you're a rider. You might think that, hey, I am the horse. And so therefore, if the horse wants to go over here and eat some hay, it'll do that. If it wants to go over there and mate or something, it'll do that. And you lose your personal human volition because you forget that you're even a rider on that horse. So the first way to get your power back is to realize that you are the rider. You're not the horse. And you have the choice to ride the horse or to, you know, kind of yank on its reins and make it go where you want to go, where, you know, the right path. So that's basically it. As long as you realize that, yeah, you got this front part of you that is like thought-based, emotions-based, trigger-based. And then you got this other part, which is pure awareness, free will, intuition, compassion, happiness, that sort of thing. You make that split. And then you just identify whenever you get triggered, which one of those things it is. And then you kind of return to that higher center. And so over time, as you get more and more solid in this higher center, you're basically anchoring yourself on a very solid rock, a rock that is built into the sky, so to speak, because it is the anchor of your spirit. And that's how you build a kind of consistent, more conscious personality. That's not based on all the dozens of sub-personalities that our ego has with, you know, wanting this and wanting that and going this direction and that direction. It's more of a ballast that you have. And that's a very powerful thing. Yeah. Thank you for that. I really love that description. You know, for years I've been using the analogy of like a conductor in the orchestra. And so we have these different aspects to us and different instruments, they play a different tune and maybe they are a certain way. And yet we still have this like center point or this higher point that can kind of, you know, conduct this inner world of sub-personalities of parts, et cetera. And I think the more we can like cultivate that and connect to that, I just think we're going to have a healthier life, a healthier relationship to ourself and a healthier relationship to others and a more conscious one, of course. Absolutely. Right. And one of the things that people will discover is that when you try to do this, it's very, very difficult to do it if you're very low energy. Like if you didn't have enough sleep, like you've only had four hours, five hours of sleep and you're trying to be balanced and you try not to get triggered by something. I mean, you can actually be kind of cranky because you're just not, you're not in your game. You're not on your, on your best footing. And so another important core practice that I do is to do these 15 or 20 minute power naps. So a power nap, a lot of you guys know what a power nap is, but if you don't, what it is, is you just lay down and you set a timer for 15 or 20 minutes and you close your eyes and you try to go to sleep. Right. And you might not really go to sleep for the first 10 minutes. Maybe you only kind of weave in and out a little bit, but then when the timer goes off and you get up and you have a glass of cold water, you'll find that, man, that's like drinking a cup of coffee because all of a sudden your mind is more awake. You're, you're, you're back, you know, you feel like you're back. And so a power nap is very important, um, for being your best self, because if you try to be your best self without enough energy, you're not, you're, you're going to fail because you're logistically limited from even expressing your spirit fully through the body. So it doesn't matter if you're tired or not tired. I think it helps just to lay down for 15, 20 minutes, maybe once a day, or maybe halfway through your day when you're feeling like your energy is a little bit waning. And then use that time period to try to, try to dip into sleep. Now the, now the, the powerful thing about it is that this power nap thing can be used for so many different things. Like for example, if you're someone who does manifesting and you want to envision a better you, a better future, well, instead of like sitting in a meditative pose with your back all stiff and trying to do it, why not try to do it in a power nap so that as you're weaving in and out of sleep, you're thinking of this idea. Okay. Now it turns out that that particular state where you're weaving in and out, that is one of the most powerful states to use for manifesting. And I think the reason why that is, is because that is a state where your conscious mind is one of the closest it'll ever be to the subconscious. You're kind of like, almost like weaving in and out of the subconscious as you do it. So you're conscious enough to think of the thought that you're focusing on in this manifesting, but you're also dipping into the subconscious as if to implant it in there. So that's why the power nap can be used for that as well. I mean, and with manifesting, you can also use that for healing. Like, you know, let's say you've got a muscle sprain or some sort of illness or something, and you've done, you've done the mainstream medical route and you need a little extra help. Well, in that case, envision yourself as fully healthy again. Like, remember a time before you had the illness or the injury, how it felt and how like, you know, good it felt. And take that feeling and kind of impress it upon yourself right now as if that were your state right now. And so what you're doing there is you're reprogramming the subconscious to hold that new holographic template or whatever you want to call it. And that'll increase the probability of that actually happening for real. So you might see that you'll get a faster recovery, you know? I think that's like, I think that's the, what do they call it? The hypnagogic state. It's like in between wakefulness and sleeping, like sleep sleeping. Yeah. But yeah, I agree with you on that. You know, I feel like I've had a lot of things come to me during that time or visions, different things that have impacted me in a really powerful way. Yeah. So one caution, one little caution on that. So you can imagine, okay, so imagine you're sleeping at night and for whatever reason you have bad dreams, like very stressful dreams, like negative dreams, okay? And the alarm goes off and you wake up and you start ruminating on those negative dreams that you were having throughout that night. You just kind of remembering them and feeling icky about them. Well, guess what? You're doing that in that sort of hypnagogic state. You're doing that. And so when we talk about manifesting, it's not a good thing because you're now kind of programming your day and your subconscious by reiterating those negative things. So if you have those negative dreams, okay, you know what? Go ahead and write them down consciously. And then if you want to ruminate on something, switch to something positive. Remember positive dreams that you used to have or envision your day in a positive way or kind of realign yourself with the divine, you know, do prayer if you're a Christian, whatever. It helps to not stay in that negatively ruminating state, especially within that hypnagogic in between weaving in and out state of mind. Is there also a caution in oversleeping and becoming more groggy as opposed to energized? Yeah, people do definitely get groggy if they sleep beyond a certain point. Now part of it isn't just the sleep itself. It's also the fact that they haven't eaten in a long time. So now their body is starting to shift into a fasted state. So their calories are going down and they feel really groggy because of that. But the thing is, personally, I think it's better to have a little bit extra sleep than not enough. Because you can't make up for not enough unless you take a power nap later in the day. Just kind of top yourself off a little more. Yeah. But I mean, look, me myself, I can't oversleep. I have trouble sleeping fully. So my focus, my personal focus has been on trying to get enough sleep. So I don't really have to worry too much about that. But I know some people do sleep a lot. And obviously, if you're sleeping like 12 hours or something, that's too much because biologically there's just really no need for it. So I know somewhere between eight and nine is, I mean, that's the best for most people. I'm in specifically with the power naps, like going 40 minutes instead of 20 minutes. [Speaker 3] (58:37 - 58:37) Oh, sorry. [Speaker 1] (58:37 - 1:20:45) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I totally misunderstood. Yeah. So it's a power naps. Yes. If you sleep longer than let's say 20, 25, maybe even 30 minutes, we sleep longer than that. And I forgot to mention this earlier. So thanks for bringing it up. The whole point of a power nap is to sleep only long enough to get the benefits of a refresher without going so long that your body starts shutting down into deeper sleep cycles. Yeah. Because when you get past 30 minutes, your body starts shifting into those lower sleep cycles. And then if you try to wake up at that point, you are going to be groggy because your body is trying to go down, but you're, you know, trying to wake up. Right. But if you catch it at that 20 minute mark or so, then that's like the perfect sweet spot between, hey, I got enough of a refresher, but I didn't yet go, you know, sink down into stage of like two and three and four, the body normally does. So if you do go past the 30, 40 minute mark, a lot of people will find that the only way to really recover from that is to do the full 90 minute cycle. But the problem with sleeping 90 minutes is that then that'll throw off your nightly sleep. Like you'll have trouble going to sleep that night because it screws up your circadian rhythm. Whereas a power nap for only 20 minutes, that does not screw up your circadian rhythm and that's been scientifically proven. So that's why the 20 minute mark or 15 or whatever it is, 15 to 20 minute mark, that is the scientifically proven important window for a power nap. Yeah. I think there's a myth that, you know, I think the Da Vinci had a sleep cycle similar to this, like he slept 20 minutes every two hours or something like that. Well, the thing about it is, if you were to get, let's say, six hours of sleep, okay, you're gonna be sort of tired during the day. And then if you take a power nap at one point, and then you take another one like three hours later, you can do that. So in total, he might have only slept six and a half hours for the entire day. But you took two little power naps. And so therefore, you maximize your time and you're mentally awake enough to perform really well during the day. However, I think over time, that'll still have deleterious effects on you. Because there are certain hormonal cycles within you that need a little more time to fully even out and to finish, you know, clearing itself out. So I still stick to the eight to nine hours recommendation whenever possible. Yeah, I used to be a solid eight to nine hour. I feel like it's changed to like a seven to eight, sometimes a little less than that, depending on what's going on. But I find that when I go to bed before 11, I feel so much different than if I go to bed after 11 or 12. Even if I get those, let's say eight hours, my body just doesn't feel as optimal. I don't know if you've experienced that at all. Yeah, no, I definitely do. So each of us has our own diurnal circadian rhythm, okay? So we have our own rhythm. And there are certain times of the day, independent of when you got up and when you went to sleep, there are certain parts of the day when you're going to be at max energy and at bottom energy. Now, ideally, you want to time your sleep with the bottom energy so that you get the most rest. But if your cycle is shifted out of sync with that, then let's say that you go to sleep early, or whatever, you go to sleep, and then you wake up at a point when your cycle is at its lowest. So you're going to wake up tired, you're going to be tired for a while. And then by the time that cycle finally peaks, maybe that happens to be when you need to go to bed, according to the clock. So then you're not going to have trouble going to sleep. So each one of us has a natural cycle that we are most suited to. And in your case, it seems to be that going to bed before 11 is the ideal thing. So it's because you're timing the clock time with your natural body time. And so therefore, everything syncs up. And when you wake up, you're ready to kind of ascend in your energy. Yep. Cool, man. Is there a third one? Well, so the third one, which I haven't written about yet, but I sort of did just cover it, which is the whole manifesting thing, because manifesting can be used for so many things, okay? It's not just about manifesting money or car or whatever, which is fine for people that need that. But you can also use it just for wisdom, or solving a problem, right? Like, let's say you want to solve the mystery of some sort of scientific problem. Well, if you focus on the idea that, hey, you know, I'm really excited that I finally figured it out, and you get into that groove in that state during a power nap, for example, then it'll totally up the probability that you actually will get it. Now, there's a funny and very instructive thing about it, okay? Which is this. If you were to do manifesting, let's say for a scientific problem, and what will happen is, you might get something that'll make you think you solved the problem, and you'll be happy, you'll be jubilant that you finally figured it out. But a week later, you might discover there was an error in there, and then all of a sudden, you feel down. Well, guess what? You got what you intended for. You intended for having solved the problem and feeling really happy about it. So, you attracted that probable future that you focused on during this meditation or power nap session, okay? But the thing is, that future, you didn't, there was a loophole in it, which is that a week later, you discovered that there was an error. So, because you didn't factor that in, you wound up on a timeline where you got it, but you didn't really get it. So, what that means is that when you do manifesting, you're not necessarily manifesting the exact thing that you want. You're manifesting a probable future that resonates or that matches the template that you had in mind. So, what that shows is, therefore, that what's really happening is that the subconscious is merely picking up on whatever probable future is most in resonance with it and is attracting it. But not in an objective way, does it mean that you actually got the scientific answer? You know what I mean? It's almost like you're selecting a freeze frame in the future and you're bringing that in, but you're missing all the context surrounding it. And so, therefore, a lot of people, they might manifest something, but it doesn't end up being the thing that they originally truly intended. It's more like, oh man, yeah, I forgot to include that in my specification. So, therefore, it's like a monkey's paw kind of a thing. And so, that's why I don't universally recommend this manifesting thing because there's a lot of ways that it can go wrong. And it can also lead to a kind of materialism where instead of putting in the work of discovery and the joy of building something, if you only ever want to try to attract it and gimme, gimme, gimme, you can start becoming very lazy about it. And it becomes almost in the direction of black magic where you just try to manipulate reality for your own personal gain without really putting in the effort to, let's say, go through the process and serve others and do good things with your abilities. So, there's a lot of nuance to it. And therefore, I would have written, and I will write a post just dedicated on it with all the caveats and little tips and such. So, I'm not like one of those new agers that only ever tries to do everything with manifesting. I think action is very important. Meeting reality halfway is very important. Applying our skills and natural talents is very important. But once you do all that and you've done your part, then I think it's okay to grease the wheels, I guess you could say, through a little bit of probability massaging. Yeah, totally. You go. You go. Okay. Well, I was just gonna, I was just gonna, I guess, agree with that. When I think about my own life, bringing it back to the personal, I think the more I've followed that intuition within me, whatever that is, just a deeper knowing of where to go next, make this left turn, leave this job, leave this relationship. My life has just turned out better. So, there's that. I mean, obviously, you can have the thought of something, but like, are you honoring that and then taking action based on that, that feeling or that thought? So, that's the key. So, again, what you said around action, obviously, makes sense. Yeah, right. And it kind of goes back to the idea about why are we even here? What is the point of life? And there's many points, but one of the fundamental things is about realizing our potential, using our potential and making it real. Because we come here with potential. That's no doubt about it. That's why one person turns out one way and another person doesn't, even though they, let's say, they grew up in the same family, the same household, had very similar conditions. Each of our souls comes here with a certain tool set that we are here to plant and to grow and to eventually harvest, for good or for bad. So, I do think that one of the key things is to not get distracted by false values, false goals that are grafted upon us by society. Like, you can imagine, right? Let's say a girl grows up in America nowadays, and her sole potential is to, let's say, be a very inspirational person towards others. But because in her young stage, she's watching all these Instagram videos or TikTok or whatever, she decides, okay, you know what? I need to become like one of those makeup influencers. So, she spends all her money, all her time doing makeup stuff and just being very superficial. And therefore, that delays her potential for who knows how many years until eventually she kind of gets tired of it, wakes up out of it, and then kind of gets back on the path. So, there are distractions that we can have. I mean, with guys, it could be as simple as joining the military when it really wasn't meant for you. It could be listening to the pressure of your parents and going into, let's say, the legal field or the medical field when you're really meant to do something else. And the only way to know for sure is, as you said, is to tap into your intuition and to make sure that whatever you do, not only does it feel right from top to bottom, but it also makes sense for you and it's also within the scope of your abilities. So, another way to think of it is that just like wood, each of us has a certain grain pattern. And you can cut with the grain or you can cut across the grain and you're going to get different effects. So, to discover your grain is how you ultimately end up going with the flow in a positive way and you start riding that flow. Because the more you deviate from that, the more you deviate from your potential, the more resistance you will face. Now, you know, funny enough, there are people that have so much energy and so much willpower that they can go totally off track from what they're here for and still succeed in some other area. And they'll get lots of money. They'll be rich. They'll be successful. But at the end of it all, they're going to feel depressed. They're going to feel empty. They're going to feel like, what did I do with my life? Because they never got that inner fulfillment that can only come by the seed turning into that plant that it's meant to become, right? I mean, you can't take a rose and turn it into an apple tree. You can't do that. You got to be the best rose and the apple tree has got to be the best apple tree. It's just the natural order of things. Yeah, totally, man. Yeah. That's what I was going to raise around manifesting. It's like, what you're manifesting, is that like part of your genuine nature? Is that a genuine desire? Do you even know your genuine desires? Do you even differentiate an authentic desire from like a programmed or conditioned desire, you know? Exactly. And that is one of the things that a lot of these manifesting influencers out there, like in the new age community, especially, that's the thing that they don't cover. Because they always start with a premise that, oh, we have desires. And you can get those desires if you do this, if you buy our course or whatever. I mean, and that's fine. But people should be asking, where does their desire even come from? Because as I mentioned, you got the rider and you've got the horse. Is it the horse's desire? I mean, the horse's desire is just to run around and eat and mate. That's it. Okay. And then, but the rider might be a knight, might have some quest, you know, save the princess or whatever. Those two goals are completely opposite each other. I mean, the rider still has to feed the horse, still has to take care of the horse, but the rider's goals matter more ultimately, because they're bigger and they're grander. And so, when it comes to manifesting, there are certain goals that come from the ego, but that are ultimately being motivated by shadow impulses, shadow traumas that are denied. For example, you know, if you're a kid and you didn't get enough attention from your classmates or you got rejected by some girl, and so now you're an attention to impress all the ladies. Where is that impulse coming from? It's coming from a trauma wound that was put in there a very long time ago, and that is still motivating you, even though you're not conscious of it. And so, in a Jungian sense, the shadow is possessing you because it's possessing you and making you do its bidding. And so therefore, if you try to manifest based on that, you're manifesting based on a shadow impulse. And if you do do that, okay, you know what? Maybe you will get it. Maybe you will get the attention or whatever it is you're seeking. However, from a higher spiritual perspective, don't forget, you also still have a kind of destiny. You still have a higher spirit. You have a higher consciousness. And this higher consciousness has, it cares about you. And I mean, you care about yourself. That's a more accurate way of saying you. So, the higher you cares about the lower you, okay? And it cares about you so much that it will orchestrate interferences with the lower self's wishes in order to kind of create disillusionment for the lower self to eventually guide it towards a dark night of the soul where it realizes that all of its vain goals were empty. And at that point, that lower self will finally turn back to the true path and wind its way up towards a more meaningful kind of life. So, I'm just saying that, you know, the lower self, you can manifest from it, and you will probably get it. But it's going to fall apart in the end. It's going to leave you empty. And you're going to be put through a kind of ringer that will steer you back. You know, you're invoking a karmic correction mechanism when you manifest from the false or dark parts of you. This is what I'm trying to say. Um, P. Diddy needs you in his life, bro. Oh, God. I don't think he got the lesson. But I mean, I think a midlife crisis for so many people is it's like, you can't ignore this inner calling of something else. Or maybe you went on a certain path, or you took the job and did it for 20, 30 years. And you got the wife that you think everyone was going to pat you on the back for. And then you're like, fuck, this isn't who I am, you know, on some level. Yeah. So, in this life, our life is a mixture of consequences of our past choices that we have to deal with, like whether it's, I don't like like, let's say you got into a sport that you didn't shouldn't really have gone into, but now you're injured. So you're living with the injury now. And maybe you turn your life around, but your injury is still going to be there. But at least you'll have a better attitude and more opportunities to work with it, maybe do something good with it, become an inspiration to others. I don't know. But the point is that even even the dark stuff in life, even manifesting from the shadow and attracting karmic correction experiences, even that has a silver lining in that it's going to bring you back towards sobriety. In the end, it's still going to have a wisdom value. You just took the long way, you know, you kind of did a detour through the wilderness. And then once you're back on the main road, you'd be like, man, that was a wild ride. Like, I understand myself so much better now. Yeah. And so there's value even to the pain, even to the suffering. And so then the question is, is there really such a thing as error? Now, you know what, maybe not, maybe it's more in terms of timing and delays. So you took the longer way and you got a little bonus points on the side, but you wound up in the same place anyway at the end. Yeah. And then the delay was ultimately necessary for the extent of the lesson that needed to be learned. Right. Yeah. Because maybe you wouldn't have learned it any other way. You're just, it's just the way that you were like, I mean, that's the whole point of Wizard was right. She needed the entire journey to realize that she could have gone home the entire time. But if she'd gone home at the very beginning, then the movie would have been pointless. So I think, I think that's a metaphor for our lives where we come here, we do have certain weaknesses, we have flaws and we work our way through them. And even though it's suffering, even though it seems like an error in the end, it teaches us about ourselves and it kind of immunizes us from making those errors again. So that's a raising of consciousness. Yeah. Um, like I'm going to question, you keep mentioning, I guess, our highest selves, like what are our highest selves doing right now? Are they just watching us, like trying to guide us? What's going on? Yeah. So there's different ways of approaching it or different ways of defining what the higher self is. I remember some, some sources claim that the higher self is so, so time it's nonlinear. Like we exist within linear time where time only marches forward in one direction. However, if you yourself keep growing in your consciousness, you can imagine that a point will come where you're just so powerful that you're no longer bound by linear time. You're no longer bound by the direction of the clock. So at that point, you might be able to transcend time and even extend your consciousness back in time to your earlier periods of your evolution. So to them, you would be like a higher self. Okay. It's almost like the higher self is the, uh, the perfected version of you that stands at the end of time, reaching its influences back to help all of its back instances kind of secure their way forward. Okay. That's, that's one way of thinking about it. Another way of thinking about it is that in our natural state, we are definitely way more than we are here. Like here, we're just like the little tiny thimble, whereas our natural state is more like the ocean. So a big portion of this ocean has been funneled down into this little body, this little thimble, and that is our everyday consciousness that in our personal identities and everything. Okay. Uh, and so the higher self is merely the rest of us that is beyond this 3d space-time human mortal ego-based consciousness that is still there. Okay. And yes, in that case, it would also be watching and trying to guide, uh, creating certain synchronicities, kind of inducing certain, um, serendipitous or destiny-based key events in our life. It's a, it's kind of similar to a game master in, not that I play Dungeons and Dragons, but a game master that has a, has an idea for a general script of the game and decides on certain events at certain times. And it makes things interesting, right? But the players still have free will to do what they want to do within the framework of that. And I think that it's similar for us where we are like the players or we're like the avatars that are here and we're winding our way through life. Um, but there's like an RPG, just a role-playing game element to life in that there is a little bit of scripting going on. And the scripting that goes on is from this other higher part of us. Okay. So that's the second way of thinking about it. And the third way, which is, I find very interesting because, I mean, I came up with it myself, but it's based on some things I read, which is the idea that when you go to sleep at night and you enter that stage for deep sleep, where according to science, you know, you're not conscious, it's like deep unconscious sleep. You actually are conscious because you're out of body and you're returning to that higher self state, which you are in, in between lifetimes. So this afterlife, life review kind of a state that you find yourself in between lifetimes, according to some afterlife research, you return to that every single night when you enter that stage for deep sleep. And what that means is therefore that your destiny in life may not necessarily be mapped out completely before you're born. It might actually be continually updated throughout life every time you go to sleep, where you kind of return to that higher state. And then you kind of come to yourself, you know, okay, well, all right, all right. So let's assess the situation this happened, that happened. Let's do this for the benefit of my growth. And so therefore, the next day, when you wake up, some synchronous event happens, you meet a new person, or some new book comes your way, or you have a certain problem or something. Well, little do you know, that was actually dropped in there by you in programmer mode or administrative mode, as opposed to the end user mode. So those are three different things. And I think each one of them has a little bit of truth to it. And it's probably some weird hyperdimensional combination of all three of those. And that is what defines our higher self. I love it. Yeah, I wanted to ask you this, because I've mentioned this before, where people bring up this idea of like, well, why would a human have this experience? Or like, why would they choose this? But you know, human suffering versus the view of something from a higher state or a soul state isn't the same. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I do agree. I do. Yeah, totally. Because it's even like if you're if you're like a two year old, you don't understand everything that your parents are doing. Your parents might deny you the ice cream you want to eat. Well, and you think, well, they're bad for doing that. No, not necessarily. They just don't want you to become a little fatty. Okay, they don't want you to get cavities and become fat by the time you're 10 years old. So that's why they're doing it. So they're doing it for your good. And I think that certain, not all, but certain painful experiences in our lives are something like that. They are catalysts for our growth. And they're there for our good. In the end, I mean, ultimately, I mean, maybe we won't learn any other way. So therefore, they have to use the stick to kind of get us to move. Maybe we're being donkeys. Okay, we do get a little bit of pain, but we end up moving and we end up getting transitioned to a better state in life. Okay. However, I do think that because of free will, because other people do have free will, and that includes them doing bad things. Therefore, we can be on the receiving end of bad things that other people do out of their own free will. Now they might get some sort of subconscious guilt that induces a karmic reaction on their behalf. But the fact is that you experience something that probably wasn't meant to be. And so therefore, I do think that some forms of violation and pain and suffering are not warranted in any way. There are errors of free will, which because they come from free will, and there are errors, there are compensation mechanisms in place to make up for it down the line. But in the moment, those violations happen. So therefore, I don't think that every little kid that dies in a car accident or people that die in a plane crash, I don't think every single one of them deserved it. But if they did not deserve it, I mean, okay, deserving isn't the best word to use, but needed it or something like that. [Speaker 3] (1:20:46 - 1:20:46) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:20:47 - 1:26:58) Yeah. So if it wasn't chosen or needed in any way, then I think there was a compensation mechanism. They'll get a boost for next time. And this is something that Rudolf Steiner actually said when he talked about our karma works and past lives and all that. He did say that a lot of people are suffering for reasons that aren't entirely their own fault. And therefore, if you were to go out of your way to help them, you're not always short circuiting their learning lessons because sometimes they're just in a bad spot because it just happens. So I think life, just like your every single day, life is a mixture of synchronicity, destiny, all that magical metaphysical stuff, and also physics, the law of the jungle, determinism, consequences. It's like this weird fractal intermixing of the higher and the lower. And that is a realm that we exist within. It's just like a chessboard where you've got the black squares and the white squares. So it's a mixture. And when we are the pieces, we are the players moving on that board. And it can't be 100% one thing or the other because then there is no free will. There's no choice. There's not as much novelty. So I think it's the mixture, the risk, like in chutes and ladders where you can go up the ladder or you can go down the chutes. It's the risk that creates the game, that creates the purpose of the novelty of this experience. And it's not perfect, but the imperfection is what drives evolution. Yeah. It's also so much such a more nuanced explanation of it as well, as opposed to like, well, you chose this, you know, sometimes maybe I didn't, but I liked the idea like, okay, I didn't chose this. I just got blown to bits because a bomb landed on my fucking house, but maybe in the next life, I'll be a King or maybe not that, but you know what I mean? Like, it's just, you can't just like tie everything up with a fucking bow and be like, this is life. This is what happened. Like you got raped. Well, it's because of this reason. Well, maybe someone made a fucking horrible decision and you just happened to be the recipient of it. And it wasn't, you didn't quote unquote deserve it. Exactly. Right. And see, that's the reason why you do have to put in your own personal effort. You have to meet reality halfway. You have to use your talents because there is risk. So, you know, you can't, you can't a hundred percent depend on handouts from beyond the veil. That's, that's the essential message, but things beyond the veil will be there to help you at the most critical moments. And if they only, if it's only ever them helping you, then of course you would never have to put in your own effort and therefore you wouldn't grow. So, but, but if the help wasn't there, then your path would be cut way shorter than it should be. So therefore it always has to be a mixture of these extremes. And people love to go towards extremes because it's a very tidy answer. It's very tidy to say that, that karma is absolute. Everyone deserves everything that happens to them. So therefore nothing bad ever happens because everything's meant to be. I mean, maybe, maybe from like the ultimate infinite, absolute perspective, that is the case, but at our level of the illusion where we are, I don't think so. I don't think that's the case at all. I think there is a mixture here and therefore we do have to exercise caution and, you know, wear seat belts in the car because we have to literally drive the car. We can't just like do, you know, Jesus, take the wheel kind of thing. It's not absolute, but discernment plays a huge role. Like for example, living in Mexico, previously I was living in Playa del Carmen and there's so many reports of like people getting robbed, you know, people getting beaten, getting, you know, even robbed by the police, et cetera, et cetera. But you look at the reports and nearly 100% of the time, this stuff is taking place at like 3am walking back home drunk from the club. You know, now people without the information would look at it and be like, oh, you know, then make generalizations about the dangers and the threats, et cetera, et cetera. But like, what are the details that are leading to those events that a single individual has chosen, you know, that ultimately resulted in that? Exactly. Right. So physical actions have physical consequences and those things add to the equation that is also added to by metaphysical factors. And the thing is, you know, everyone has a different ratio of the physical to metaphysical factors. If you are someone who, if you're someone who in life experiences a lot of synchronicities and you've had near death calls, but things keep on intervening, then clearly you're someone who has more of the metaphysical factor in your life. Whereas someone else who doesn't have that and they've lived a life where they've learned, hey, it's dog eat dog, and I got to find my way through it. Okay. Well, they've, they've got more of the physical factor. So the thing is, unless you are a hundred percent certain that you have protection and your life has proven it so far, you do have to put in the work to do your own protection as well, whether it's locking your door, insurance, firearms, whatever, you know? So we can't be passive little bunnies and hope for the best. We've got to put in our work and then higher stuff takes it from there. Yeah, for sure. On the flip side, so I'm a student of tarot. I've been studying tarot for maybe four or five years and a mystery school tradition. And within the knowledge of tarot, there's a system called decanates. So basically each card of the minor arcana represents a 10 day period to which someone was born. And there's a certain card of the tarot, okay, which, so what your decanate basically is a mini life reading for the individual. And there's certain cards that represent people's life themes. And I see like, without a doubt, like this person's life is one of struggle. And it's continuously among the same number of individuals with the same card, which definitely represents depressiveness and struggle and hardship, et cetera, et cetera. And it's just interesting to observe as well. Like each time I see this card come up as someone's life theme and I get into conversation with them, it's just like hardship after hardship, you know, that's sort of the equation as well. Right. And that's a good point because not just tarot, but also astrology, numerology, like your life path number, for example, things like that. It's not just confirmation bias, because if you study it and you think about yourself and all the people that you know, and what their configurations are, you can see such a tight correlation. [Speaker 2] (1:26:58 - 1:26:59) It's amazing. [Speaker 1] (1:26:59 - 1:32:20) It is amazing. It is amazing. So what does that say? I mean, what does that ultimately say? Clearly, that's another point in the bucket of, hey, reality is consciousness. And it's not just a cold mechanical machine universe, right? So- What is these little templates too? You know, when you think about astrology, when you think about even like, you know, the source cards or destiny cards based on like archetypal patterns that are reflected in the deck of playing cards, like, you know, people born on the same day, like there's similarities or there's certain threads that are consistent. Of course, how it manifests and how it looks is different, but there's times, like I remember as I got more into that system, one of the things I like doing is I'd go on Facebook and I would list all the birthdays of the people and I'd see like six or seven people listed. And like, let's say I knew four of them well, and I'm like, oh, okay, I could see the relationship. Of course it might be different. And it's like, and even in my own light, like I've read other cards or let's say I would read someone else's astrology and be like, this doesn't relate to me. Like this stuff lands. And I wonder like, what is that? You know, is it like a cheat code for life on some level, understanding this stuff or part of some simulation? Well, that's the important thing is that we are talking about archetypes ultimately. And archetypes are transcendent things that can express themselves symbolically in different ways. So take astrology, for example. Let's take the Scorpio sign. Scorpio. You had a new album out called Scorpio, don't you? Yeah, man. Yeah. Congratulations on that. Thank you. Listen to it, man. If you haven't, it's great. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to check it out. I just remembered it just now and I was meant to check it out. So I will. Thank you. Oh, cool. Yeah. So let's take the Scorpio sign and Scorpio is infamous for having a certain set of traits. Okay. I don't want to fully get into them, but Scorpio also has higher manifestations of the Scorpio archetype. So you can have a higher Scorpio, you can have a lower Scorpio. Okay. And that's an example where an archetype can be expressed in higher or lower ways, but what they both have in common is they're both different expressions of the same flavor or the same color, so to speak. And so whether we're talking about tarot cards and how they correspond to you or Sabian symbols, life path number, astrology, those are all archetypes, right? And so therefore, usually what happens is a skeptic will say, well, okay, this person is a Scorpio, but they're a nice person. So therefore astrology is bunk because it contradicts, but they don't realize, well, wait a minute, we're talking about archetypes that can express themselves even in a higher form. And so they don't have enough nuance to realize the fundamental connection, but that's why you guys have to study it. And then you start realizing just how accurate, how powerful it really is. And I think what's really going on there probably is that the going back to the idea that we started off with, okay, well, if we have a collective consciousness construct that we're within, then there has to be some kind of a coordinating energy field that kind of glues it together. And that would be the Demiurge. Well, the Demiurge maybe doesn't only code for physics. Maybe it also codes for the rules and the patterns and cycles of the etheric and the astral bodies or the energy fields. And that's maybe where different configurations or different kinds of imprintings lead to different astrological profiles or personalities or something like that. And the thing is, because it is based on consciousness and not just physics, maybe there is symbolism involved. There's archetypes, there's meaning. It's not just numbers and equations. It's an actual symbolic kind of a thing. And so what if it's like gears within gears where there's cycles within cycles, right? But I mean, clearly it has to be that if your particular tarot card corresponds to a 10-day period within the calendar year. So it's a cycle that goes through time. And so it's like a factory or like a machine, like an assembly line where there's gears within gears that are cyclical. And maybe the higher soul realizes, you know what, for this life, I need to work on this issue. And in order to work on this, I have to be this particular sign or this particular configuration so that I'm naturally kept in line by the synchronistic energies of the Demiurge with its cycles in order to act out that particular pattern. So it's like guardrails kind of guides me along my particular chosen path. So maybe it's not that, okay, we come here into the so-called matrix and we're stamped with astrology because we're slaves to the archons. Maybe it's not that. Maybe it's just that there are different slots that happen different times. And if you want to be a certain thing, then you kind of like go on that slot. And then therefore you kind of get, it's like a theme park. You know, you choose that ride instead of another ride. And if you're on that particular ride, you're going to go through that ride. But if you don't like that, then you go into a different ride. But it's something like that, maybe. Yeah, for sure, man. Well said. Yeah, the album's called Scorpio, but for those with an esoteric eye, you'll notice the cover photo is the eagle. And like archetypically, the eagle is the evolved Scorpio archetype. That's why I chose that symbology. And see, another way to put the metaphor for me is like, we're all dealt with a certain deck of cards or hand of cards. It's like how you play that is so individualistic. You know, how you play those cards matters monumentally within that. Like you're given templates, sure. But then what are the decisions within that template? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's why life, instead of just calling it a simulation or a construct, I would personally, I would call it a game. I'll call it a game that has instructive growth evolutionary potential to it. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:32:21 - 1:32:21) Because there's risk. [Speaker 1] (1:32:21 - 1:38:08) There's risk involved. And it's super malleable, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it is malleable because it's consciousness. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Great combo. Yeah, it's interesting stuff. Yeah, for sure. Cool, man. I want to ask you a final question before we wrap this one up. What do you want? Like, what do you want out of life? Oh, that's a funny question because I try to aim as high as I possibly can because that way wherever I end up, you know, it's probably higher than if I had aimed low, right? Mm-hmm. So, ultimately, I want, my focus is always outward towards the future, towards the world, towards others, rather than just for myself. So, instead of saying like, hey, you know, I want a personal life for myself, I'm going to wind up on an island where I just lounge in the sun all day, which is fine for some people that want that. But mine is definitely more self-sacrificial and that I want a future where we are rid of a lot of the corrupt forces of this world and a lot of the ignorance that is holding people down unnecessarily, both in terms of knowledge, technology, spirituality, all those things. So, my number one goal is to discover and to disseminate disruptive technology and disruptive knowledge on all levels. So, you know, I've got a physics and engineering background, so I've been working on new technologies like this thing that I'm using right now. I've shown this in other interviews. It's this little, uh, whoa. I can't really see the background, I guess. I know. Yeah, sorry, I got to turn it off. So, anyway, what it is, what it is, it's a, it's like a little, uh, magnetic field pulser that generates not only the Schumann resonance frequencies, but also brainwave frequencies. And it's more advanced than anything else out there. So, I've been working on this for myself, but since, you know, it came out so well, I realized, you know what, I should make a bunch and let others get them too. So, that's, that's what I'm working on now on the technology front, but I'm also working on like free energy, anti-gravity, uh, etheric technologies, anything that can be a breakthrough that ends up helping humanity. And that's my number one focused, focus, followed by the spirituality matrix, you know, helping people kind of stuff. Yeah, that thing that you have, what is that for? Is it just to support healing or? Yeah, so if you go to esp783.com, let's see if I can turn off, um, let's see if I can turn off the background blur. That's, that's what was causing it to, to screw up. Let's see here, background and effects. There we go. So, now it should work. Let's, let's try it again. Yeah, there it is. Is it working? Yeah, yeah, I can see it. So, basically, it's a magnetic field pulser. You've got a button to change between the different modes like that. And as you can tell, this little light pulses differently depending on the mode. And this is the actual frequency of the magnetic field that's being pulsed out of here. So, there's a, there's a nice size coil right in here and it puts out a pulsing magnetic field. So, this actually emulates the magnetic field of the earth, including not only the Schumann resonance, but all five frequencies of the Schumann resonance at the same time, which is not, not something that you find in any other Schumann type device that's out there. And the actual purpose of this is to override the, the, the noisy electrical energy fields that are around us from our, you know, computers and wall adapters and such that are overriding the natural Schumann resonance frequency that humanity has grown up with for, you know, hundreds of thousands of years and to bring that frequency back into our environment. You know, and, and people have reported different positive effects from it, like from increased mental focus to just a general sense of well-being, which, you know, it could be placebo, but once enough people say it, it starts to become a little more probable that there's something to it. And I use it myself on the beta brainwave mode so that when I'm doing these kinds of interviews, I'm a little bit sharper than I would be otherwise, because it keeps me up in that, that, the higher, the higher brainwave state. So you, you built that. Yeah, I built that. It took me a year and a half to design it, to prototype, source the parts and 3d print. And it's, see, the problem with 3d printing is you're, you're like squeezing, like it's, it's like a, like decorating a cake and you're squeezing this plastic down on a layer by layer by layer to build up these, these parts and they squish out and there's like sort of imprecise. So how do you build a precise device using a squishy imprecise thing? And you just gotta do trial and error and like do a little adjustment. So man, that took me like months just to get everything to fit perfectly together. And yeah, it's, yeah, man, I custom designed the circuit board. I got the blank circuit board made and I soldered all the components together myself. And it's fun, you know, because I ended up using every single tool, every single knowledge skillset that I have in the technical department to build this thing. And it came out perfect. It came out perfect. So I'm like super happy with it. You're sold out, man. When are you getting a new batch in? So basically I would say a week and a half and people just should just sign up for that, that mailing list there to get notified. And then, and then I'll, I'll send out an email saying like, you know, I'll have more units in stock today at 8 PM or something. And then people can just log on at that point. That's amazing, man. Yeah. That's something that I really admire is just, you know, the, the, the tangible cultivation of one's knowledge and experience and intuition and action in the world and making that forward and making something real. Like that's ultimately what we're all here for, in my opinion. And that, that takes, that takes high self-esteem, you know, to follow through, to see something through, to have the vision, to spend a year and a half working on something to get to the results. Like that's, that's the shit right there. Yeah. And maybe, maybe that's why I chose to be a Taurus in this life. That plotting, that plotting consistency. Yeah. Awesome. What's your, you don't need to give the year or anything, but what's your birthday? I'm curious to look up your, your source card. I'll send you some information about it from one of my books. I don't know. [Speaker 2] (1:38:09 - 1:38:09) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:38:09 - 1:39:52) I'll, I'll, I'll tell you afterwards, but I was born in May of 1980. So yeah. Oh, we're, we're born the same year. You're one. Yeah. I'm June, 1980. Oh, wow. Awesome. Okay, cool. Cool. I say, I say often that your asthma looks incredibly young for his age, but I'm going to, I'm going to give this one to man. He wins. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I think next time I come on after I grow a beard or something and like, well, I'll be shaving mine probably next week. So I definitely look younger when it's clean shaven. But no, I think even our last interview, I don't know if you told me how old you were. I forgot, but I was like, man, you look, you look great. So whatever you're doing, keep doing it, bro. Yeah. Well, you guys too. You guys too. Thanks, man. Dude. Absolutely loved having you back and love having this conversation, I guess, aside from your Schumann Pulsar, what else have you got going on? And where would you like to, I guess, direct the audience to, I guess, best consume your content or engage with whatever you have happening? Yeah. So you can find me most active on Twitter, well, on X and on Telegram, those two places, especially on X, because that's where I respond to replies. So there's a lot of stuff in the replies that I respond to. That's interesting. And anything like longer form, I tend to put that on Telegram. So either of those two. And of course, my website, Montauk.net, you can go there. Tons of articles, books, free videos and everything. And on YouTube too. I've got a YouTube channel with interesting podcasts, stuff like Twitter spaces and fringe knowledge videos and some music stuff there too. So yeah, check it out. Awesome, man. We'll make sure to grab all those links and put them in the show notes. Guys, definitely check out Tom Montauk, an incredible resource as you can experience yourself and a wealth of knowledge. And take care and we'll see you next time.