Nathaniel Solace The Dopamine Dilemma

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 0:07) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth Podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 2] (0:11 - 3:20) Welcome back to the Here for the Truth Podcast. I'm Joel Rafiti, got my co-host Yerasimos with me. Today we have Nathaniel Solis joining us once again. He first joined us way back on episode 14. He is one of the key producers in the first two pandemic movies, played a huge role in creating those and bringing those forth. Today we're talking about, in particular, around the context of this epidemic of dopamine addiction that we find ourselves swirling within, which really is detracting from our ability to really connect with our heroic journey, create long-lasting, awesome productions of any kind, and really give our value. Nathaniel has been doing this work, facilitating dopamine detoxes through various means for a long time. This is a really, really awesome conversation. We crossed into a lot of different subjects as well. 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Today, we have the return of Nathaniel Solis, who originally joined us, I believe, episode 14. It was super early on. Yeah, a little bit about Nathaniel. For over a decade, he has stood at the forefront of personal transformation and societal impact, both as an award-winning filmmaker responsible for creating the world's most seen and banned documentary of all time, and as a guiding force behind the scenes for influential leaders. As an accomplished coach, advisor, and transformational facilitator, Nathaniel has discreetly coached numerous business owners and changemakers, helping them navigate the complex world of personal and professional growth. With a client portfolio exceeding 1,000 individuals, his expertise extends across diverse domains, including health, performance, relationships, and leadership. He brings to the table a wealth of experience and a proven track record of helping his clients break through barriers and reach new levels of achievement and fulfillment through integrating psyche, soma, self, and service. I feel like we left everyone with a bit of a cliffhanger there, letting them know the most banned documentary of all time and not saying what it was. That was the first plannedemic. That's right. Well, part one and part two. Yeah. The first two parts. Wow. [Speaker 1] (3:20 - 3:27) Yeah, yeah. Awesome. It's so awkward listening to your intro. Like, I'm just supposed to sit there like, yeah, I guess. [Speaker 3] (3:27 - 3:30) You're like, yes, tap yourself in the back while Joel's reading. [Speaker 1] (3:30 - 4:48) I did. I did write that with, you know, with a little chat GPT, you know, grammar check. What's coming up for you right now, bro, as you hear that? Well, honestly, it's been, it's a great question for real. I started making content online like 14 years ago. And literally my very first video was me just reading off a list of a bunch of quotes of famous generals and presidents and stuff talking about the hidden hand behind the government, right? Like the shadow government, like all just literal quotes from all these guys who were in the beginning of America and stuff like that. And that video kind of got a little viral back then, which was like a few thousand views right out the gate. And yeah, so I've just, my whole adult life has offered me this relationship was like, Hey, do you want to be seen by a lot of people or do you want to be known for doing some cool stuff or whatever? So it's still my own awkward, like owning it, I guess, to put it simply. I'd rather not go the other end and just be like, look how cool I am. Or like, that just doesn't feel natural to me. Anything. It's like, I hear all that. It's like, that does sound really cool. I'm really proud of myself for all that. And I could list off a million things I'm doing wrong with my life too. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (4:48 - 4:48) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (4:48 - 4:49) Of course, man. [Speaker 3] (4:49 - 4:58) It's that balance. Yeah. It's the balance. And not getting like too high, but then also not like wallowing in the corner. Like I'm a failure. [Speaker 1] (4:58 - 5:34) I'm a piece of shit. Totally. And I think everyone, I love how, you know, we're all big, uh, Michael Ceron fans here. And it's like the whole hero, uh, choice to like, choose the heroic archetype is something that I always like to, I love giving other people feedback. We're like, no, that is really, that is a big deal that you did that. That's super cool that you did that. And I think collectively, if everyone was like 5%, a little more like, Hey, I can do some cool stuff, you know, that would be pretty significant. So there's my humble attempt to practice, you know, being some cool guy on a podcast and also just being a guy. [Speaker 2] (5:35 - 6:28) Yeah, bro. Heroism is the key, man. It's the underlying mythos, the underlying archetype that's like, you know, bustling throughout everyone's journeys and just remains dormant for so many people. Um, and it was huge in my life, man, for so long, you know, Henry David Thoreau, you know, we make this quite often, but most people live under this quiet despair. And it's because this, this hero mythology just remains dormant as bigger dreams as bigger aspirations. And just as life goes on and the burden becomes too heavy, it gets dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. And so ultimately it buries them, it eats them alive. And so the most important thing is not to let that light die, in my opinion, you know, because everything else becomes bleaker. Everything else becomes more difficult when you haven't been true to yourself and true and really honored your own aspirations in that way. [Speaker 3] (6:28 - 6:53) Yeah. I think also too, is that I think people, um, tap into that hero archetype vicariously, but don't do anything about it through media and through movies. Like they go and they get their fix. They watch gladiator, they watch brave heart, feel what it is. Oh my God. But then they, they don't apply it to their life. You know, they almost like get a taste of it, but then, you know, go back and doing the same old thing over and over again. [Speaker 1] (6:54 - 7:59) Well, that, that pairs so well with the sort of dopamine trap we wanted to talk about today. Cause it's dopamine in a sense is synonymous with progress. The feeling of progress is why we, when you're sitting there and you're like, Oh, I gotta, you know, write, you know, create this thing for my business. And you're looking at an empty page. Our brain is so efficiently wired for this particular hit that it goes, well, wait a minute. I could go on my phone right now and look at other people in Bali and, you know, like concerts and people making food and all these things like progress things happening, things being developed and created. And we get the hit out of that. So it's like, you could make an argument that to the degree to which we have these dopamine traps built into culture is why nobody's accessing their hero, their inner hero. Cause that takes effort and it takes work. What is the coolest part of every hero's movie is that, that, you know, that scene where it shows them training and getting better and working hard and giving up, but then choosing to go back and nobody has access to that. [Speaker 2] (8:00 - 8:04) It's intricately tied to this whole concept of delayed gratification, which is impossible with dopamine addiction. [Speaker 1] (8:08 - 9:37) Every single day people wake up. I have this premise for a book or something. Maybe I want to call the ritual of self and the ritual is the 24 hours that we get. Cause it's like pretty clear. There's a cyclical thing happening. It's one of the most significant things I think people can tap into. It's like, well, the sun's going to keep doing whether the sun's moving or we're spinning, whatever, who cares. But it's like, that thing is going to happen. The light's going to show up, it's going to go away and it keeps, it's so reliable that there's a way humans can actually plug into that. And just the fact that already we, once the sun goes down, we stay up for another six hours. Cause we have all these lights on in our house. It's like, we have so many inverted aspects that are like pulling us away from what feels like a really natural, effortless, inevitable growth process that humans are meant to have. I love that point or I agree with that point that if you took away all of the warmongering and the mainstream media and all these divide and conquer tactics, if you just took all that stuff away from humans on earth, we would just all be basically enlightened right now. Where the world is at and where we can get to, there's this natural emphasis or impulse for growth and waking up. So all this effort is put into just stump that, but even the effort of something that wakes everybody up too. So it seems like a pretty cool, inevitable thing, but ideally we should clean it up a little bit, I'd say. [Speaker 2] (9:38 - 9:49) Yeah. Hey, is the mainstream media now social media? Because I don't know many people who watch CNN or Fox or turn on the TV and be like, oh, I'm watching mainstream media now. [Speaker 1] (9:50 - 9:55) Well, my dad every night for four hours for the last 30 years. Sure. [Speaker 2] (9:55 - 10:06) But it is dwindling. There's a handover taking place where social media is becoming the primary news source, whether it's text, whether it's Instagram, whatever, that's where I'm getting my information about what's going on from. [Speaker 1] (10:06 - 12:09) Yeah. Well, there's definitely, it's so easy through the whole scandemic to see how literally control. I remember a day I logged onto Twitter and 90% of the people I followed didn't have accounts anymore. And I'm not exaggerating. It was really intense because I'm sitting there, I know about censorship and I'm aware of all these little ways it's happened. And then it impacted me in this, it's like, holy crap. And this was in probably somewhere around April, May, 2020. So right when it was like, New York already had its first like, oh, what's going on in New York? And then people are going, wait, what is going on in New York? Or like, oh, all the hospitals are full. And then I'm watching videos on Twitter of people going to those exact hospitals and there's nobody there. And it's like, that's weird. But yeah, so it's become the mainstream media, but it's still the same players. And instead of them just broadcasting through CNN or Fox or whoever, it's like, they have their own little channels. They have their own sliding, whatever the back door, just like how the people who work for Pfizer are part of this government NGO or whatever it is. It's like all the media people are playing the same games and making sure... I just saw this great piece of content about how the shift of our feeds, which is an interesting word, we have these social media feeds, that there was like this transition from you used to just have a feed of the things you subscribed to. And now you have this for you feed that's like, it's stuff you subscribe to and suggested stuff. And that's how they get us for sure. And the fact that they're infinite feeds now, which is insane. You can literally keep scrolling on Instagram or Facebook or Reddit or any of these things forever. And we'll just keep doing it. It reminds me of there's those studies where they give the rats cocaine water. Or they hook up something to their brain, they can click a button to get a dopamine hit and they'll just click it until they're dead. [Speaker 2] (12:10 - 12:20) Yeah. Well, I mean, from a purely capitalist economic standpoint, it makes sense, right? There's an infinite market for it. So they're going to cater to that. Yep. [Speaker 1] (12:20 - 12:39) Yep. More room for ads. Infinite. Infinite every 10. Sometimes I'll go on Instagram and the first thing is literally like 10 suggested posts. And then I go to change the settings to turn off suggested posts and it's already off. I don't even know how that works anymore. [Speaker 3] (12:39 - 12:49) When did this change happen? Because I remember that I'd be scrolling one day and then all of a sudden it's just sponsored posts, suggested posts. I need to go into my settings because I don't even know if I have. [Speaker 2] (12:49 - 12:57) Yeah. My suggested is off, but it comes back every now and then. But the moment I see one, I press X on it. Then I said, do you want to snooze suggested posts for another 30 days? And I'm like, yes. [Speaker 1] (12:58 - 12:58) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (12:58 - 12:59) Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (13:00 - 13:15) Which isn't saying that we have to just keep. They're like, assume, oh, it's only 30 days. You want it back, right? Of course. Here it is. The illusion of choice. It's like, it's still kind of showing up. Oh, we have the ability to change the settings. So we're still free. It's not like they're manipulating us or anything. [Speaker 3] (13:16 - 13:27) What do you think that transition phase would look like? Because you mentioned before, if all the media and all the divide and conquer stuff was taken away, we'd be enlightened. What do you think that would look like? [Speaker 1] (13:27 - 14:46) So that's quite a big philosophical notion. But more of the idea, if you think about, and anyone listening, if you just think about your day-to-day life and everyone you know and interact with, if nobody was concerned about inflation or wars or supposed viruses and all that, what type of community would you have? What would you guys be up to? Just if you look at how tangibly the last three years has made people essentially hang out less, like do less. Everyone's got more of this different... We've adapted to this, oh, we're all supposed to stay inside mode. And now everyone has their own hybrid adaptation to that, where we're all still just a little afraid of each other in these subtle little ways. Maybe not people like us. I go out of my way to try to dispel those things. But the average person... I see memes about this all the time. I just saw one the other day that was showing someone right before 2020. And they're showing this mood, this vibe that they used to have. And now it's showing them now. And everyone's just so traumatized. We're all so screwed up. So it's like, if you just take all that traumatization and repetition and all that intensity out, I think humans have a natural proclivity to create meaningful progress together. [Speaker 3] (14:46 - 14:47) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (14:47 - 17:47) Right. So that transition is like, I think the more... I still think the solution to all this stuff has to do with more localist. If you actually were concerned about the actual news in your local place, you could then actually do something about that and then make your local area better. And if everyone's doing it at the same time, we should all be good to go. But it's the moment we're convinced to be concerned about all these other things. Or we're not even necessarily genuinely concerned. It's just pulling our attention. So we're just put in this realm of thought and not even thinking thoughts that are our own thoughts all day. And that's what most people are doing all day. It's like getting caught up in all these dramas. So we can remove that. Yeah. I think there's a lot of space for people's heroes to show up and actually do something about it. But right now, it's like you can see one... I've seen the craziest shit there is to see on the internet. And still, if I'm scrolling through Twitter or something, I see one quick little clip of this stuff going on in Gaza or whatever. And you see somebody blown up or something. It's like that's in your system for the rest of your life, technically. But it's like for the rest of the day, you can just feel that. And I don't think we realized how unprepared we are to deal with a society like this. I always give the example, just our parents. So just one generation for us, when they were 10 years old, at least a typical story I hear or from my friends in America, it's like when our parents were 10 years old, they were usually growing up at their grandparents' ranch or farm, doing like raising chickens and making sure the cows are fed. And that's about as much as their consciousness needed to process. Anybody can go on Google and look up... There's this infographic between the amount of information in chat GPT-2 and chat GPT-3, or something like that, or 3 and 4. And it's like a pinhead versus the entire world's oceans. And that's the difference of our parents' generation at 12 years old, the size of their necessity of their consciousness and their capacity was so... Compared to now where you have the internet and every possible piece of thing, and 12-year-olds now having access to the internet, I think we have no idea how this is going to impact us still. Just us being the generation... We were the last generation to... You guys used to go outside with your kids and just play with your friends, not have technology and come up with games and stuff. We were the last ones to get that. And I'm so aware of what... I think all the time about what I missed out on by the last 15 years of my life being so internet-oriented, even though it's created a cool life for me. And I get to meet guys like you and be connected all over the world. But it's like, we just don't know what we don't know. And I think right now, we're in the thick of it of realizing how much the shift in culture is screwing with us. [Speaker 2] (17:48 - 18:13) Bro, growing up within my neighborhood, we'd have 6, 7, 8-hour games of hide-and-seek that would last throughout the night across different suburbs. Yeah, dude. And it's like, there was never any fear, never any worry, never any... It's just what we were doing. It's like, the world's gone, it feels like. We had a little scooter club or water balloon wars and stuff. [Speaker 3] (18:13 - 18:32) Everything, man. Playing wiffle ball for hours. I love that shit. Our nervous systems just aren't, they haven't evolved to the degree where they can navigate all this content and being hit with all this information that people are so focused on things that are just out of their control. Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 1] (18:35 - 19:52) Well, it's so stimulating. It's the same reason we only like movies where something doesn't go the way you want it to go. I don't think I've ever seen a movie where it's like, oh, that's great. Okay, cool. Oh, great. All right. Awesome. Nice. Okay, great. Yeah, that's what I was expecting. It has to be something averse. So, it's like getting... And so, in the same way that eating a sweet, fresh strawberry is awesome, but downing some weird, sonic strawberry smoothie that's got 100 grams of shit, it's like same premise, but totally wrong approach. So, it's okay to experience adversity or see it or connect with it, but not in this realm or in this amount of stuff. Or the fact that you can just go searching for it is insane. And then we have kids. I've been, me and my buddy, Brandon, been tripping out so much on the GNM perspective around conflicts for kids at such a young age. And whether it's porn or war content or all these different things, it's like we just have no... The amount of memes around Gen Z right now and it's who those kids will actually be when they're 30 years old is... I can't even really comprehend it. [Speaker 3] (19:52 - 20:24) Dude, it's wild, man, in that regards. Because you think about, especially a lot of people that consider themselves more progressive, they want to include their young children and let them know about everything that's going on around sex, around gender. And it's like, what conflicts are happening within these children? And how are they going to adapt? What's going to happen to their psyche? And we're seeing it. And again, like you said, I can only imagine what it's going to be like in 20, 30 years. They should be sheltered. There's an innocence there. These young children should not be exposed to this stuff. [Speaker 2] (20:25 - 20:48) Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. I've got a quiet faith in humanity though. And in just human psychological development, in general, to be able to navigate and deal with. Obviously, it's new territories, but I know some very fucked up situations that people come around Saturn Return 30, 32, 33, they start really figuring shit out still. Absolutely. Yeah, I'll clarify. [Speaker 1] (20:49 - 21:08) There's an ounce of pessimism coming from anything I'm saying. Sometimes I'll try to talk dramatically so people kind of like connect, they can feel it, like a clickbait maybe, but I'm so with you on humanity's very innate ability to like handle some shit and figure things out. [Speaker 3] (21:09 - 21:25) Yeah, man, I'm an optimist by nature. I mean, that's how I operate. But again, Joel, you're saying like, oh, you've seen people in their 30s come around Saturn Returns. But like, again, you're going back people that were raised 20 something years ago. So it's going to be a different process. And I'm curious to see how that's going to be. [Speaker 2] (21:25 - 22:11) Yeah, I'm just saying I've got faith in our ability to adapt. I don't know what it's going to look like yet, but I have faith. Yeah, I get you. And like, obviously, there's another side. It's like, yes, we're in this incredible, magnimonious information age right now. But at the same time, playing the opposite side, we have this ability now to be informed to such a greater degree and to receive multiple perspectives and get on the ground real time footage in the moment and see things for ourselves in a way as well. Yes, while that can be then used to feed fifth generation warfare to a degree as well, we also now have more autonomy and we have more onus to use our discernment to decide what's correct and what's not. And there's less ability for propagandists to just monopolize information too. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (22:12 - 22:31) Yeah. I mean, they're going to try, but it is great that we have, yeah, 20 million, everything I'm saying. And then like with Plandemic, it's like it's that same mechanism that allowed us to reach a billion plus people for a good reason, right? Helping people see what they're not seeing, right? Yeah. [Speaker 2] (22:31 - 22:51) And then it's taken them a step further. Now you have the advent and the rise of AI and deepfake technology and who the hell is going to know what's real in a second. There's this interview going around, which is talking about sustainable tanks. I've seen so many people share this as if it's legitimately laughing so loud. It's like, it's a fake video. It's this fake interview that looks so real. [Speaker 1] (22:51 - 23:00) It's pretty easy to tell. At least for me, it seems pretty easy to still tell on most of them, like any deepfake stuff. But it actually more, it surprises me how many people will just... [Speaker 2] (23:00 - 23:01) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (23:01 - 23:07) But it's going to get harder. Go for it. Oh, sure. Okay. But I'm not even here right now. This is just a... [Speaker 3] (23:08 - 23:18) Well, it's like, wasn't the recent interview with Mark Zuckerberg and Lex Friedman, where they were having an interview together and it wasn't even them. It was like... [Speaker 1] (23:18 - 24:11) That was weird. Yeah. That was super weird. I think we are... So the Ready Player One movie or book, I think paints such a good... This notion that people are going to... There's going to be these basically super lowest income class people who will make sure to just make enough money to keep their Wi-Fi on and their meta subscription so that they can live in their VR world. And I don't think everyone's going to get on board with that. Obviously, there's hundreds of millions of people who will never even want to touch that stuff. But it's like that sort of bifurcation of society where it's like you might... Maybe at some point, you go to Chicago and Chicago is just a VR place now. It's like everyone... It's so run down and it's just people who want to do that can live there and people who want to have their own farm, they live in somewhere else. [Speaker 2] (24:11 - 24:21) Imagine living like flying across state or across country to visit people, put on a headset. I'll be in your house. I'll see you in the living room, bro. [Speaker 1] (24:22 - 25:06) Yeah. That's it. That's fun to see your bro for a minute and play a video game together but it's not real. It's the exact same thing of why porn can be so damaging because you can make yourself have an orgasm, but you don't get any oxytocin. You're missing a whole other... There's this whole formula of all this chemistry that goes on when you do something that's very natural and meaningful like sex. But when you do it that way, you miss out on a bunch of the pieces. So it's like eating... Every meal that you have every day is missing half of the nutrients that are supposed to be in there, but it still tastes the same or tastes even better than the food you're eating before. That's going to be a hard game to win. [Speaker 3] (25:06 - 25:16) What do you think has been the impact on porn and just relationships and the sense of self that we've been dealing with for the last, I don't know, a few decades, but definitely the last 10, 15 years? [Speaker 1] (25:17 - 29:19) I think it's such a deep topic because you can go back in time and see where sexuality was in many ways a lot more open or just things like different brothels and the types of parties there have been. I mean, back thousands of years ago. And then you look at things like in the 70s or shit and swingers. It's such a hot button for humanity because it's one of the most innate, built-in aspects of being a human. We literally don't exist without sex. So there's such a potency there. But how those circuits get hijacked and how easily they do is super, super, super intense. Regardless of how long you think humans have been around, millions of years, hundreds of thousands of years, or some people think what, like 6, 8,000 years or something. But whatever it is, for that whole time, the most stimulating thing that could happen to you is essentially finding some food and finding a mate and a safe place to eat the food and mate with your mate. And that's pretty awesome. Even right now, that sounds like a great... That'd be a great day today. That's the rest of my day. Some food and some mating. Let's go. Right? It's wonderful. So it's like, we're all built for that. And everyone listening like, dude, that sounds great. I don't want to have to do anything else today. Right? So it's so lovingly built into us. But the fact that you can go now online and see any type of person doing any type of thing in any type of way, in a matter of seconds, and then in a moment, be on the next person doing whatever they're doing. It's so polar opposite. And again, I don't think we really understand how influential it is, but it's true. When you get into... I run a men's program. I've had my own history of porn addiction and things like that. Totally. I'm so grateful I went through that 7-8 years ago and not right now with the level of how intense... So in our men's group, we have guys who will come in with those issues. And it's like, I can even still tell sometimes to the degree to which what they're seeing and the stuff that they're being influenced by, they're still not even comfortable sharing it. It's so intense. And yeah, I think it changes the way people literally just see other people. It changes... There's guys now who would literally rather create their own porn man cave that they can live in and order their food and order stuff on Amazon and not even need to leave the house. And there's people fucking marrying AI robots and stuff and sex dolls and things like that. And it's just so mind-blowing to me that it can get to that. But when you start to look at the infrastructure, it's the most... It's the reason the internet exists, basically. I remember hearing something a long time ago. Every advent or every next stage of technology, the reason we had... The reason we could fit more stuff on a CD compared to like these little files or your iPod or this is because of porn. The reason VHS to DVD is because we needed to fit more porn on a VHS. So we figured out how to make this other thing. And it's the reason we have screens on our phones. It's the biggest use case of the screens on all phones. It's the biggest use case on the internet. And then second biggest is Netflix. But if you get all the biggest stuff on Netflix, half of it is all pornographic and sexual and brutalization and all this kind of stuff. So should we be extending gratitude to porn? [Speaker 3] (29:19 - 29:20) Yeah. Porn drives innovation. [Speaker 1] (29:22 - 29:53) I mean, I'm sure we would have figured that out anyways. And I don't know how true that is. I just heard it and it makes sense. That kind of shadow impulse behind things. But yeah, I think it's massive. I think people... I wish we still... I love the fantasy of even what our parents might have lived in when it's like you see the girl down the road at the bakery who's kind of cute and you want to bring her a flower and court her. And there's intimacy and there's connection and people having experiences with people. [Speaker 2] (29:55 - 30:06) Yeah. And you're only connected to the people you know, to the community, people at school, the people in local shops and businesses. It's not like there's this entire market of visitors. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (30:06 - 31:22) I remember years ago, finally tracking this feeling I would have where every day I had to open up my Facebook feed to feel like myself. I had to be like, oh, here I am in reference to all the people I don't normally see. Now it's kind of that feeling where it's like if you lose your phone, you're like, there's a drop in your stomach almost. You're like, oh no, I won't be able to be myself. And it's like, that's awkward. I want to catch that shit. I'm not interested in that. And similar to that too, quick call out. If you still have to bring your phone to go to the bathroom, just check it, man. Me too sometimes. But it's the willingness to always be like, wait, why right now? And it's like, am I really going to be that bored or that anxious that I can't just do the thing that I'm built to do a couple of times a day, hopefully? So that's one of my markers in the ritual reboot stuff. There's these good markers because a lot of people are like, oh dude, I use my phone all the time and I'm running a business. I'm making money. I'm in a healthy relationship. Why does any of this matter? And it's more of the, you don't know what you're missing until you go find out. [Speaker 2] (31:22 - 31:28) It really is a modern barometer of self-mastery. Which you can go do up to. That's true. [Speaker 1] (31:29 - 31:31) Yeah. That's crazy that that's true. [Speaker 3] (31:31 - 31:39) But then you end up sometimes like you're on the toilet for like 40 minutes. You've already done what you've had to do. And then you're on your fucking phone. [Speaker 1] (31:39 - 35:04) Yeah. It's crazy. Then you can't stand up afterwards. Get a dead leg. I had my legs fall asleep one time and that was like it for me. I was like, I'm an idiot. I'm embarrassed. What's going on? That's just not cool. That's totally not cool. So the other barometer though too is the ability to essentially look out a window like this window right here, just like this neighbor's side yard. And they have a little garden. It's all snowy now. So that's all dead. But it's like, can you look out a window or look at a view and be there and actually enjoy the view? Even if it is your front yard that you see every time you look at that window, you should be able to do that. That's my own personal opinion. But when I shared that with my students and everyone's at the end of the reboot, everyone's always like, dude, I didn't totally get what you meant, but now I can look at the pictures on my fridge of my family and I can sit there and actually let it in. And I'm not wanting to go listen to another podcast or I'm not needing to go see my notifications. Yeah. One time, the first... How do I say this? When I first launched Ritual Reboot almost four years ago, I did a super hardcore detox. And the one thing that I noticed was I was... Before the detox, it helped me realize I could only think for about as long as a story, like an Instagram story, which was like 15 seconds back then. It's like, oh, I'm thinking of a thought. Oh no, now on to the next thing. Now on to the next thing. Instead of being able to really cultivate something and sit with something and not dip out. When you're doing spiritual work or healing work, or you're working with a coach or a therapist, there's that premise of like, oh, once you start getting to the intense stuff, you'll find yourself dipping out. You're basically disassociating or changing the topic, or you run off on some joke and go off in some other direction. And it's like all this content stuff is training our brain to be that regimented and that segmented. So then when you're just trying to have a normal thought, or hanging out with somebody and talking about something, it's like you're going all over the place. I think it's normalized. People don't realize that that's not how we're supposed to think. Even just the level of anxiety and mental health stuff people are dealing with now, when you're on your phone for even the first hour of your day getting all these hits, you're spiking up all this chemistry. The moment you put your phone down to go do your normal life now, you're now on a dip. You're on your way down. It's like eating the most decadent, delicious, but the chocolatey cake and you've eaten until you just can't eat anymore. You're so satiated and you're so happy about it. And now it's dinner time. You can't even eat dinner. Or now it's time to enjoy that super fancy dark chocolate that someone brought back from Brazil and it tastes terrible because you're so stimulated from this totally artificial thing. So that's what we're all dealing with. And most people, I've had dozens and dozens of people go through our program who have even diagnosed ADHD symptoms and they just don't have them anymore when they're done. [Speaker 3] (35:05 - 35:59) I remember when I traveled, I backpacked Europe after college. It was 2002. I literally could just sit on a bench and read an entire book in six hours. And I did that all the time. Every new place I went, I just sat. And then 2008, I did some travel. Same thing. But then as social media, as the use of smartphones came into play and I was using it more, I find it more challenging to do that because my mind is wandering. But then the thing too that's tricky, I think for creators and content producers or whatever, is that you read something and then you have a thought and you're like, oh, maybe I can go write this down and then maybe I can turn it into a post and maybe I could do this, which I'm not saying that's a negative thing, but it's interesting how it shifted the whole landscape in terms of how we interact with content, with material, with just our own free time. [Speaker 1] (35:59 - 36:47) It's a slippery slope for sure. Yeah. The fact that something really insightful could just turn into a three-hour rabbit hole of looking up other stuff or you see someone else made a post about that topic and now you're looking up the comments of that. But I think it's so important to keep trying to think of what would we be doing instead? What could I be doing with my life that's so fulfilling and progressive for me? Not politically, but just creative progress. I don't like that that word got hijacked by that group either. But it's like, what would I be doing so that I'm not so compelled to need to go get stimulated in all these other ways? And that's the part that does scare me. It's like people don't even think about other options or realize that that's possible. [Speaker 2] (36:48 - 37:40) Yeah. Right. I'm able to open Zoom every day and still enjoy the rugged simplicity of your ass muscle's face without having to create a post. Exactly. Exactly. Now a short break from the episode. Ritual Reboot is a dopamine detox course created by Nathaniel. So you can learn how to overcome brain fog, procrastination, and low energy in just seven days without any silly life hacks or loss of productivity. With this proven method, you can take your life and work from too much screen time, bad habits, and stress to a sustainable system that supports your passions. And Nathaniel has been generous enough to offer exclusively for our audience and for our listeners $100 USD off the cost of the program. The code is TRUTH100 and the link is in the show notes wherever you're listening. [Speaker 3] (37:41 - 37:42) Back to the episode. [Speaker 2] (37:43 - 37:53) Alright bro, you brought up Ritual Reboot a couple of times. Let us know, I guess, what inspired this program and kind of what it entails. [Speaker 1] (37:54 - 45:50) Sure. I think what ultimately inspired it was, you know, 10, well, by the time it was created, gosh, well, six, maybe six years of being a content creator, having my whole life revolve around the internet. And then slowly but surely starting to see where that was serving me and where it wasn't. And then I did this 100-day detox that was basically called monk mode because it's like just detox everything. You're not tapering off. You're not just doing less. So for me, that was no caffeine, no alcohol, excuse me, no alcohol, no cannabis, no pornography, no masturbation. And then I don't use nicotine or I don't really drink alcohol either. But those were all big, just caffeine, cannabis, and masturbation or porn is like pure dopamine, super intense, super... Caffeine is basically the most widely used drug in the world. And one of the hardest ones for most people to quit. And it was life-changing, like absolutely life-changing. I got to the point just a week or two in where I cried every day, at least once by just having this... You could argue what was actually happening is all the stuff I'm repressing by using all those things is having space to show up. But to me, it just felt like relief and it felt like beauty. I felt more awestruck by life. I could sit with a beautiful thought and be more connected to it, which was great. And I think that was probably the first time I had made that... Basically, I made the amount of money I'd made the whole year before in those 3 months, in a 90-day stint. Yeah. It was just the happiest I've ever been, the best sleep I've ever had, best energy I've ever had. It was just... It was insane. Everything was better. So I started to just incorporate that into my coaching practice and just making sure that my clients had access to some of these tips or at least trying some of these things out to just see what else is possible. And then it started to make all my clients better results too. So they're better clients for me and they're making better moves for their business, their life, their relationships, whatever that might be. And it was probably a couple years later that I actually turned it into the course that it was, which originally started basically as... I wanted to make a respectable way for leaders to essentially deal with what we call the unmentionables. So some of our favorite people in the world, anybody who's listening, celebrities, authors, teachers, people we love, we respect, they're geniuses, they do all this stuff. And they have to have a glass of whiskey every night in order to fall asleep. Now, again, I'll be the first to say, there's nothing wrong with that. That's fine. And if what produces the incredible leader that we know, awesome. And because we love that leader, I think we should be willing to poke at and make sure that they're not ultimately damaging themselves and being willing to avoid certain things if it can be. I'm not saying that anybody needs to be a particular way, but I think there's... It's like the truth is happy to be questioned, that whole premise. So it's like, oh, you have to drink every night? Oh, you literally can't function without your coffee? That sounds like a problem to me, just rationally. I love those that mean, don't talk to me till I've had my coffee. It's like, that sounds like a coffee addiction, bro. That's not good. It's not funny either. I feel bad that you feel that way, right? Yeah. I grace the honey. So there's that piece. And then there's the infinite compassion. It's like everybody has their drug of choice, whether it's behavioral or chemical or emotional or whatever it is, because we're all wired to try to balance ourselves out. Everything is an act of self regulation somewhere. So I made the ritual reboot. The first round was like this cool, almost like shadow work meets like, hey, come on in. I could close my eyes and point out a group of people and guarantee they're either smoking too much weed, eating too much meat, drinking too much caffeine, whatever it is. So it was like this place to let people in. About 20 people joined the first round and it was just so healing and beautiful. Everyone was so ready and hungry and excited. And we had everything just from like, yeah, I basically just wake up and I have to get on my phone and then I'm just on my phone all day, but I don't do any drugs. And then by the time they're done, like, oh, that was the drug. That was my drug, right? We've launched the program, like bring people in, in different rounds, almost, maybe half a dozen times over the last few years. And then over the last year, we basically retrofitted it. So it's like an evergreen program now. So that way, people can just join any time, which is much more helpful. So someone who's sitting there with some serious addiction, they want to heal, they're like, oh, I got to wait for the next round. Sounds so helpful. Thanks. So we just made it so it's universally accessible. And the program itself right now is designed as... It's one part kind of education where sometimes you just need to get a few details around the science and the chemistry. Why does dopamine influence us the way that it does? And what's the impact of screens and porn and all this different stuff, which I think is so helpful for a lot of people just to get enough of the context, right? That module alone has helped a lot of people shift where they're just like, oh, once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's like, oh, wow, me thinking I need to look at my phone and catching that thought and catching that feeling is enough of a spiritual practice or just a lifestyle practice to change your whole life. It's that willingness to be lucid enough to catch an impulse as it shows up and then make it a new choice, make a different choice. Or still make the same choice, but from consciousness and not just from a reaction, which has its own value as well. But what we're basically doing in the program is educating people, training people, and helping them prepare for a seven-day reboot, the ritual reboot, where you're essentially, you design this perfectly ideal clean week where you're removing what we call destructive sources of dopamine and adding a bunch of deliberate sources of dopamine. So it's still like a super... For some people, they say it's the most productive week they've ever had. It's not like you're taking the week off and just laying in your bed and not looking at anything or not doing anything. In fact, you can still go to work, you can make your content, you can do the stuff that you have to do, but it's like making rules around it. So if you run your business by posting content on Instagram, guess what? That takes you eight minutes on Instagram. So that gets designed into your week. You only use the eight minutes you need to use on there. So I built that in because that was most people's resistance was like, I can't take a whole week off just to reset my brain. It's like, well, technically you can and you should, but let's find a way to meet everyone wherever they're at. So you can basically design your week as hardcore as you want, or as adaptive and loose as you want. Which I think is helpful for people too, because this shit's hard. And again, caffeine is the hardest for mostly everybody, which is interesting because it's so just fun and normalized and simple. At least things like drugs or porn, everyone has some form of built-in kind of like, that's probably not the best thing for me ideally, but like coffee or sugar or carbs and stuff. Nothing wrong with carbs, but carbs can be abused as a regulating vehicle. So that's basically Ritual Reboot in a nutshell. [Speaker 2] (45:51 - 46:06) I could not stand the feeling of having to have a coffee to function in the morning. In the past, when that was the case, I was like, I'm literally like a slave to this beverage. It's crazy. [Speaker 3] (46:06 - 47:02) It's such a social ritual, like you're talking about. Let's go have a coffee. Let's meet for a coffee. You want to meet next week for a coffee? Let's do that. That was the thing that changed my life. I've been off coffee for 10 years and caffeine for 10 years. Although I've had some chais because again, I'm not like, I could have a fucking chai. But I was off also theobromine. I was off chocolate for about eight and a half, nine years too. And then I came back to it last year because I was like, I fucking love chocolate. I want to enjoy chocolate once in a while. Now at the beginning, it was a little crazy. All of a sudden I go to the fridge and have a chocolate bar and I just house the whole thing. I'm like, okay, I need to check myself. But again, it was interesting to go from this one place of where I was very, very rigid and strict with certain things that served me in a way. But then I also saw how it was a little bit too rigid and restrictive. [Speaker 1] (47:02 - 48:26) But it's the willingness to look. The fact that you looked and gave yourself different parameters to find out who you are and then make a choice from that, that's the thing nobody lets themselves do. And that's the most healing part because everyone deserves to have whatever relationship with all of these things that they want for the rest of their life. But being lucid enough to be able to ask yourself, is this actually me deciding I want this? And is this functional for me or not? It's like no one ever gets to decide from that place. So that's the purpose of the program. It's like you make enough space from something, you can actually relate to that thing. But if you're just all consumed by it... It's always interesting seeing different... Whether it's a no-fap content or giving up cannabis or coffee, and you always see the comments and people like, weed's not bad, it's medicinal, it's not addictive. And it's like, yeah, you only can think that way because you're currently addicted to it. To have that rigid response versus being willing to address the nuance as the priority just shows you where somebody's at, right? So giving people the point, the space to have a nervous system that can handle the nuance and be self-honest, which is like, oh yeah, I totally am addicted here. Or I totally use this because I'm just trying to get this feeling or away from this feeling that's so vital for people to have that. [Speaker 3] (48:27 - 49:00) I can't tell you how many times I've gotten into dialogues with people where they would combat me or they'd battle me because I would share like, oh, what I'm navigating. And I'm like, well, if you don't know what it's like to go without alcohol for six months, for a year or caffeine, then you're only seeing one side of the picture. You don't have all the information. It's like people who are just getting into arguments about anything. It's like, you only know your point of view. So how can you make this argument? Go spend a year without it or six months and see how you feel, see what your energy is like, see how your relationships are, and then come back to me and we can have a conversation. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (49:01 - 49:45) Most people deep down know it's a problem, but the longer that you ignore it, the more that you are choosing to betray your own intuitive impulses that this is the thing that's holding me back. And then the harder- That's probably the most damaging part. Yeah, that's right. And then the harder it becomes. Even in our program, people wanting to create their vision, create their life, before you get to that step, it's like, you have to be really honest about what you need to take away. What do you need to detract? And deep down, we know the thing that's just preventing us from doing what needs to be done. There's that whisper, but until we start listening to it, and everything's difficult, you have to remove the top leaf from the mountain pile before you can get into anything deeper. [Speaker 1] (49:50 - 51:44) Yeah. I do want to add another little emphasis. I'm hoping that we're not sounding, this isn't like a holier-than-thou thing either, like, oh, I don't have to drink coffee, so I'm better than you or something like that. Because if you're the person currently with the vices, it can feel like that. But it's the ability to have the choice. That's it. Right. And it's okay to choose. They've done studies where they have people quit smoking cigarettes, and they'll take a group, split them in half. In one group, they don't give them any new information. The second group, they say, all we want you to do is be curious about the habit. That's it. Just be curious about it. And then they send those people off. One guy accounts, he's like, as soon as I walked out of the clinic, I'm walking back to my car, which is usually a time to have a smoke, and I pulled the cigarette, and I'm like, curious. What does that even mean? Be curious. He smells it, and he's like, this smells like shit. And he threw it out and never smoked again. It's like, just to have enough awareness. Right. And it's like, that guy could still enjoy a really cool organic tobacco thing while he's traveling. It's like, that's great. It's like, I think life should be enjoyed. I don't really drink alcohol almost ever. And I'm excited for in the future when I can have some bar of all these really fancy, expensive things where you only have it once a year anyways, because that's cool. Somebody made that. Someone put effort and intention into that. And if it can help me have an extra fun time one night for that particular reason, I think that's cool that we have access to that. But to need... And especially to just drink freaking cheap beer or something every day because I can't function without it. Those are two totally different relationships with that, right? [Speaker 2] (51:44 - 52:29) Yeah. It always comes back to intentional versus habitual. And in the last however long, I've taken multiple stints doing six months on coffee, six months off coffee. And there's no doubt my life is 100% better served off coffee. But there's points where I'm in the off-coffee zone, where my wife and I, we really enjoy the taste of coffee. And there's genuinely times where it's like, I feel like the taste of coffee. But I'm at the point now where on a Sunday after I've naturally spiked like 10, 11 a.m., I can have a single coffee at a cafe. And it doesn't really affect my need to have it during the week. So it's like you can actually, if you want to build intention around, okay, I enjoy this thing. I can enjoy it every now and then without it having to become a full-blown addiction. [Speaker 1] (52:30 - 53:24) Yep. And there's a lot of, like you said, you naturally spike your own cortisol in the morning. We have a natural way of waking up. There's a lot of things that we do that get in the way of that process. And a lot of things you can do to help really facilitate it more too. So all that's built into Ritual Reboot. I love that Andrew Huberman's gotten so popular because he's just such a wealth of knowledge of that. Sometimes I tell my sales pitch for Ritual Reboot is like, do you want to take a week and implement all the stuff Andrew Huberman says to do at once? And somebody will walk to you because all that works. And remember, I was talking about that natural, the rhythm, that 24-hour cycle, that's a premise we build into the program. It's called Ritual Reboot. And the ritual is the 24-hour gift. I call it a gift because I just wake up and it happened. It feels like a gift. [Speaker 2] (53:24 - 54:10) It is a gift, man. But it's more so a gift to the individuals who actually value potential. And you really begin to learn to value potential when you see what's possible, when you give yourself time, space, a goal, you give yourself a semblance of delayed gratification, you create and you achieve something. And then now you know that I can achieve something. Now it's like, what else can I achieve? And what other actions and steps can I take to maximize my effectiveness in being able to achieve that? And that's the dopamine that lights me up, man, is being able to create something big, lasting, long-term, something that doesn't currently exist. Then all of a sudden, I give myself the appropriate space and focus and energy to do it. Then it grows and it evolves and it becomes this thing. And it's like, there we go. I'm a creator. [Speaker 1] (54:11 - 55:45) Yeah. Again, that's pure progress. And progress works really well when you have a point, some sort of North Star, something set that's not where you are. And you chip away at it. That's the best feeling ever. I love when I hear stories of... Alex Formosy is a great example right now. He's just getting so big. That makes $85 million a year from his portfolio. He doesn't have to do anything for that. That's just what comes in from his portfolio. So he's pretty much as chilling as you would ever need to be chilling. And he says, the times I feel the best is when I'm in the middle of working on something really hard. I don't want to just chill now that I have all my needs met. I think humans, when they have their needs met, are built for creation and more progress. That's right. More creativity. It's the secret to all of it. And most people are so... Again, you go on social media for 30 minutes and what it does is it trains you to feel like everything's already been made. Everyone's already got it figured out. All this fun stuff's already happening. What could I possibly do? We already have an Elon Musk and an Alex Formosy and a Zuckerberg and all these things happening and being creative. It's bombarding us with, oh, I guess I'll just be a consumer instead of a creator. All the things that I could possibly want have been created when we actually don't even know what we actually want. We're so manipulated. [Speaker 2] (55:45 - 55:59) It's a very low self-esteem mindset because that's how I used to be as well. It's like, oh, what place do I have? What place do my creations? Even if I did it, someone's already done it or doing it better, already has an audience. But it's not true. It's not fucking true. [Speaker 1] (55:59 - 57:30) That was life-changing with the pandemic part one. It was me and Mickey. Mickey interviewed Judy Mikevitz. It was about a four-hour interview. And he texts me and he says... First off, this is in April 2020. He's like, bro, I just interviewed this virologist. You have to come see this. Help me edit it. And we edited that down to a 26-minute video. And that took us maybe two and a half weeks and reached a billion people. And it's like every person in the world, if they could reach a billion people with something, would absolutely want to, I would think, hopefully, or excited about something. Even if it's just like, hey, I love rhubarb pies. I want to share my recipe with a billion people. Great. That would make your life. Everyone got their cool recipe. But the fact that it was literally just two dudes in front of a computer for two and a half weeks, and that was it. There's no strategy. There was no even plan on it being a viral thing or anything like that. But that's how easy it is to actually make progress or to make that kind of impact. And to be gratified by something you created versus all those things you're consuming. That was massive for me to experience that. For the 10 years prior, I always wanted to be some famous YouTuber or something, get millions of views on my videos and stuff. Insta-based. Yeah, exactly. And gosh, that's an interesting guy, right? Yeah. [Speaker 3] (57:30 - 57:30) Very interesting. [Speaker 1] (57:31 - 1:01:00) That dude could do some stuff. And what does he do? I just watched his video the other night. He created 10 different levels of laser beam puzzles people had to actually get through. And it was super entertaining. I'm like, this is so great. And all he had to plug at the end was like, oh, and by the way, check out here for the truth podcast. There was so many. So that's one of my secret agendas too. And why I love the coaching and the behind the scenes work too is I will get to subtly or not so subtly influence people that have a lot of influence that I think of. I used to want to be like the next Tony Robbins. I want millions of people to buy my books. And now it's like, no, I'd rather sit down with Tony Robbins and pick out his brain so that his brain's different. And then he can go influence the people he already does from this broader perspective. That's been more fun for me. And I've definitely learned through the pandemics of stuff. I have no interest in being famous or a celebrity or anything like that. It's so brutal and not worth it. Can you talk about that realization a bit? Well, I mean, that's pretty contextual too. When the whole world's calling you a Nazi or I'm still waiting for my Nazi checks. Supposedly we were funded by a bunch of right-wing extremists and I'm still waiting on my checks. So hopefully those come in at some point. But I think the context of that's like getting famous and going against the mainstream at the I specifically didn't really want to show my face in most regards because Mickey was the face of it and he just got blasted. Absolutely blasted. And he's one of the toughest guys spiritually that I know. So I trusted him to handle that. And we've already gone, me and him have gone through a couple other viral experiences together, which is cool. So we had some karmic momentum going into that. But yeah, there's something about that. It's hard. Well, there's a lot of elements to it. Dr. John Gray, who wrote Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus, total legend. Anyone who's never gotten into his work, do it. It's not just like a cheesy relationship book. It's like he has this whole body of work. But he makes this point where like, why do we see so many male celebrities turn into drug addicts or become so kind of shriveled or like Johnny Depp, I think is the example he gave. And it's men who have every door opened for them, every meal made for them, all their suitcases carried for them. They don't have to do anything masculine in that sense, or show up for themselves in that way. They deteriorate somewhere. So if getting famous or becoming a celebrity means that you start to truly disconnect from what's real for humans, I have no interest in that. Now, again, now that I'm thinking about it, it's like, if I could have another billion people see my next film, that's great. And if I get known for that, awesome. But it's not about the me getting known part. It's about the film getting in front of people. So I think that's the main distinction. When I was younger, I thought it would be so cool for everyone to know who I am. And now it's like, man, if I could have everybody know what I'd like them to know, and I don't have to be known at all, I would choose that in a heartbeat. [Speaker 3] (1:01:01 - 1:01:24) Yeah. I was just having this conversation yesterday. You know, Brian Cox, the actor, he's, you know, amazing character actor has been in so much stuff. And I read an article recently where he was like, you know, I've been fortunate for 60 years that I've been able to get away with like every single person noticing. But since the success of Succession, he's like, I can't, I've lost my anonymity. You know, it sucks. [Speaker 1] (1:01:25 - 1:01:25) I hate it. [Speaker 3] (1:01:25 - 1:01:26) Yeah, totally. [Speaker 1] (1:01:27 - 1:01:27) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:01:27 - 1:01:36) And it's got to be tough, you know, for a lot of these people, you have to get all these projections and like to not be able to do normal things without, you know, everyone wanting a piece of you on some level. [Speaker 1] (1:01:36 - 1:02:17) Yeah. But it's also weird to like be famous or not being yourself. Like actors, I've always, that's always been so weird. It's like, whoa, everyone loves you for literally pretending to be something you're not. And how much does that, how would that feel after 10, you know, Golden Globe films or whatever, and you're some big shot and like, no one's ever seen you ever. And now even the person who shows up to do the interviews or do all this stuff, it's like, it's this kind of like mask you have to wear to like be that person. And anyways, lots of love to all the, all the famous people out there. I hope you have, you know, what you need. [Speaker 3] (1:02:17 - 1:02:30) Yeah, of course. You know, there's probably cool elements to it as well, but you know, we're highlighting things that we observe. You know, we observe these people who on the outside, people would say they have everything. And then yet it seems like they don't. [Speaker 1] (1:02:30 - 1:03:24) It goes back to the consumer culture too. Like why isn't the people who grow everyone's food, the most famous people in the world right now? Like I can't eat a movie. Hmm. Right. It's like, it's, it's again, it's just like a sign of where we've been trained to value things and prioritize things. And like people could literally care less who grows their food or how, but be totally, uh, you know, like a fricking Matthew Perry just passed away. The guy from friends. I don't know. I don't don't know anything about him, but that's about it. You know, but it's like, people are distraught. There's I'm seeing people make posts. Like he was such so influential, this guy pretending to be some guy on a show that I'd watched when I could have been like connecting with my family or doing something. I don't know. It just, it just feels so awkward. [Speaker 3] (1:03:25 - 1:03:35) Yeah. It's interesting too. You have athletes making $500 million contracts, $400 million contracts. And I respect the athletes, you know, but they wouldn't be getting that money of all the attention and energy towards that. [Speaker 1] (1:03:35 - 1:04:31) It's all ad money basically. Right. So yeah, I think, I think everyone, especially right now as everything's going to keep ramping up, you know, like, uh, we've kind of been in a new world war for lack of a better term for probably the last decade already, as far as information warfare goes. And it's like, I don't think we even realize, I think this, like even the stuff going on in the middle East right now is showing us how knee deep we already are in that, how quickly everyone's ready to pick aside and argue about stuff and not look at the nuance and all these kinds of things. By the way, like stress and overwhelm and burnout make it nearly impossible to look at the nuance, which I think is like the winning strategy as far as the like chaos magicians go. Right. [Speaker 3] (1:04:31 - 1:04:33) It's like trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma. [Speaker 1] (1:04:33 - 1:04:36) Yeah. It is. [Speaker 2] (1:04:36 - 1:05:00) And we just can't even do it. It is the strategy on the nose. You know, I keep trying to tell people Yuri Bezmenov, you're right. Four stages of psychological subversion. We've been in stage three sustained a crisis for the longest time because when people are in sustained crisis, when dysregulation becomes the normal, it becomes so much easier for them to infringe on all your freedoms and warp your mind. They told us the strategy. Yep. Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:05:01 - 1:05:09) So how do we fight back? Right. One example, don't take your phone to the goddamn bathroom. That's it. [Speaker 2] (1:05:09 - 1:05:09) Sit there. [Speaker 1] (1:05:09 - 1:07:17) Save the world, leave your phone on the living table. And to take it a little deeper, and I'm not joking at all. Like if you are, what are you actually doing? You're literally, what is going to the bathroom? It is the end stage of the alchemical process that is you turning reality into more of you and then letting go of the parts that you don't need. So what if every time you go to the bathroom, you could just sit there for a moment and also think about what else you'd like to let go of, you know, like just like, if you want to, you need to be stimulated by something great, go like think something intentionally, or be grateful for the fact that anyone listening to this podcast probably literally goes to the in clean drinking water, which is insane. Right. And it's like, there's over a billion people who don't even have bathrooms. So like, I mean, go, go take a crap and think about that for a few minutes or whatever you got, you know, whatever you're doing. So that's part of it. The other part of it too, that I think is super critical is not consuming this stuff right after you, right when you wake up and right before bed is really, really important. Like the level that this stuff gets into your subconscious, because you're already in an altered brainwave state in the morning before bed, right? Your brainwaves are slowing down. That's the hypnotic state where all that stuff gets in there. And you might see something or even people watch like crazy movies and all this stuff like before bed, it's like, that is what's molding you subtly. So you wake up the next day, just a little more accepting of war, because you just enjoyed a whole movie about it. Right. Or you just saw it on your feed and then didn't really let yourself feel it or think anything about it. So it's just influencing you from like the momentum of the meme that it is instead of it getting kind of discerned by your own, you know, your own faculties. So when you do see stuff that you know, is part of the chaos magic, it's important to like, take a stand in your own consciousness of how you're choosing to relate to that. I did an interview with... Have you guys had Emma Reitort on? [Speaker 3] (1:07:17 - 1:07:24) You know, we almost did. We had her scheduled, but then she fell ill. And then we just never followed up with. [Speaker 1] (1:07:25 - 1:08:43) Get her on. I think she's one of the most phenomenal thinkers alive, feelers and thinkers alive right now. Her book Creepsdale is a really big deal. But she made this point. She's like, when I see a chemtrail, I don't just go, oh, look, they're poisoning us and then go on with my day. Because that's actually imprinting you more than the chemtrail, probably. But she's like, it's two parts. You want to like, it's there. It's not there. But I'm also going to give it a piece of my mind. She made this point. She's like, I'm going to go to the level of like the chemtrail God, you know, and be like, yo, what the hell are you doing here? Like, I'm not okay with that. And I'm adding my influence to the field, right? So next time you go on social media and you see some war thing or you see people arguing about stuff and you think it's ridiculous and you think we should all just get along, feel the force of that in your being. It doesn't mean go fight with them in the comments if you want to, that's your choice. But even where you're doing that from, right? I love that quote. An intention is a place to come from, not a place to get to, right? So if we're intending for a more peaceful world or a more integrated world that come from that, right? [Speaker 2] (1:08:44 - 1:09:39) Yep. I think it's like just, you know, being intentional about not being a moral jellyfish and being clear about what you think about each of the things that you're consuming. And that way, they're not just, it's not just having its own impact on you. It's like, you've categorized this, you've thought about it, right? The choice to think, bro, is a choice. We don't think automatically as human beings and it does require effort. We're the only species with a volitional consciousness. And this is intrinsically tied to Sulphur's theme is choosing to think about things properly. And like in this constant high dopamine state, it becomes increasingly difficult to give ourselves the right amount of time to actually decide, what do I actually think about what I just consumed? Do I actually just think about what that person just said? You know, most people don't do that. Instead of, I've already followed this person. Therefore, you know, I probably agree with 95% of the things they're saying. So now this person's, you know, moral stance just becomes mine. [Speaker 1] (1:09:41 - 1:10:27) Yeah. It's a group think is the safest, is one of the safest protection strategies. And it's the result of a disassociation from yourself, right? But it's super, super safe, you know? Oh, it looks like everyone's in a rally in the streets, you know, chanting, whatever. Dude, there's people rallies right now chanting, kill all the Jews or whatever. It's like, none of those people would ever kill anybody if given the chance. 99% of them, they're a bunch of pansies and they don't actually even think that or believe that. They're just doing what is feels like reactively the safest choice, which is to join this group and be loud. You know, somebody feels certain enough. So, I'm just going to latch on to that, right? [Speaker 3] (1:10:28 - 1:10:31) With Tico, man, we had Paul Levy on the- That was a great episode. [Speaker 1] (1:10:31 - 1:10:41) I love Paul. Love Paul. That was my first time seeing him interviewed. It was cool to like feel just him as like a dude who has had his journey, you know? [Speaker 3] (1:10:41 - 1:10:43) Yeah, I really enjoyed it. [Speaker 1] (1:10:43 - 1:15:02) He has a beautiful presence. Absolutely. Absolutely. I do think it's interesting too that the... And we could go another two hours just like opening this thread too, but just like where what Tico meets like the sort of our conic notion, the sort of inversion of things, right? Or this or the ordinance of evil and where, you know, evil itself doesn't really have its own power. It has to use power that already exists, right? Or it doesn't have its own creativity. What Tico doesn't go do evil things, right? It's just like, make sure that there's a space for something unintegrated to make sure it's playing itself out in that unintegrated way. And yet at the same time, just like we were talking about, we don't watch movies where everything just goes well the whole time. How is there like a larger evolutionary sort of premise where we have to have this separation? We have to have these delusions and illusions in order to expand into something greater. That seems to be like the place we... Even the, like I said, our harmonic and luciferic types of principles, you know, some will argue it's like those are literally evolutionary impulses, right? And somebody, you know, the fact that this whole tribe had a big drought and then they didn't have enough food. So what did they decide to do? We're going to go raid this other village. It's like, well, they're not doing that because they're evil. They're doing it because they didn't have enough food because there was a drought. So was the problem that is the problem of the weather or is the problem that these people didn't have a good enough relationship with this tribe so that when they have a drought, this tribe can help them out, right? But after maybe 10,000 years of these tribes fighting now because of this original innocent thing that didn't get sorted out at some point, the tribes go, oh, that's not working. Let's try just working together, you know? And if you look at nature, nature is like a never-ending, like highest timeline evolutionary process, right? When you leave a forest alone, it only gets more lush, more beautiful, more diversity, just a healthier system in general, right? Life begets life. The impulse of every organism is its own survival. Yeah, yeah. So there's something about how can we look at this stuff or when we see this stuff, whether it's the dopamine traps, these new cultures of social media, digital stuff, how dysregulated everybody is, it's like there's this choice. We're being offered this choice to make and it's like, how do I relate to this? What does this mean to me? And I love that shows like this exist or why I made Ritual Reboot stuff because it's like most people aren't... Right now, most people, if never met with some type of like, hey, maybe don't take your phone to the bathroom, they'll just never take that choice, which is the part that it's like, at least that's what it seems like, right? Hopefully, something else gets sorted out. But it's like, individually, we're all sitting on that evolutionary kind of like precipice. And I don't know if Michael said this first or said something similar, but it's like the notion that you're only ever experiencing yourself. So it's like, I'm not on a pod... I'm not experiencing you guys on Zoom right now, I'm experiencing myself on a Zoom call with you guys. And if Joel does something, it's not that I'm seeing Joel do something, I'm experiencing my interpretation of what I think I just saw Joel do, etc. Right? So it's like, that's where all the power comes from. And people that aren't letting themselves have the choice, like you said, to be like, how do I actually feel about this? What is my opinion about this? Or, oh, no, or I don't have an opinion about this. And that's intimidating to me, or that's confronting, to get honest about those feelings too. I think the person who could be the most honest about how much they don't understand some global event could actually create the most productive conversation around it, because they're not trying to just meet some bias or something. [Speaker 3] (1:15:02 - 1:16:49) Yeah. I had an old friend who recently moved to Israel a year ago, and we posted our episode with Gavin, social media, and she just came into my DMs and fucking ripped me asshole. Just went off on me, how dare you, multiple times, as if she knows everything about everything relating to this situation. And I obviously felt like the parts of me that came up in different ways, and I was like, how can I just communicate back as rationally as I could, or just share a few things, and then came at me with just the same type of attack, insults, condescension, I think emotional manipulation. It's like, five, how dare yous, you broke my heart, all this stuff. And I totally have compassion for her, she's dealing with this, and she's experiencing the situation. But any person in my life speaks to me that way, like, no, we're not continuing this dialogue and conversation. There's boundaries that need to be set. Like you said, if you want to approach things with some more curiosity, as opposed to none of that, and just feeling like you know the truth, when in reality it's like, when you're coming from this highly emotionally reactive place, you're not dealing in truth, you're dealing in your own subjective response. Especially from a human design standpoint, when you start thinking about people that are emotionally defined, and then conditioning other people who are not emotionally defined, and they're amplifying emotions, and it's just like this cauldron of just like drama and unnecessary reactions. Now, but that's the world we live in, you know? So, it's very interesting to think about, like, how can we check ourselves before we fucking wreck ourselves? [Speaker 1] (1:16:51 - 1:16:52) Absolutely. [Speaker 3] (1:16:52 - 1:16:59) You know what I mean? Like, and relationship, we wreck ourselves and relationships because of how we speak to one another, you know? [Speaker 1] (1:16:59 - 1:24:07) I think it's so, I used to trip out about this years ago, thinking how default and subtle and normalized certain cultural things are. Like, think of how many homes in the United States you come to, I don't know how much time you spent in the US, Joel, but even Mexico, wherever you are, it's like, but it's like, how many houses do you walk into? And as soon as you walk in, the first kind of room or like that entrance way is like the place to put your shoes, right? Maybe it's right outside the front door or right inside the front door, right? That's just the place and it's pretty much expected. And then there's a kitchen where you're eating or there's the kitchen where you make the food and then there's the dining room or whatever. I've never been to a house that has a tantrum room or a room to feel your emotions or to meditate or a room to have some space. It's like, just that one option being different could make all of culture different. And I think it's fascinating how disconnected part of the, not to keep plugging Ritual Reboot, but it's like part of my whole secret agenda of that is like giving people that sort of like taste of like, oh, I don't have to wake up and go on my phone and have the coffee and just start my day anxious and all these things, even though that's literally what people are expecting every day because it's so normal. But like that woman who sent you those messages, like how different would our world be if everyone knew that the moment you're triggered, what you need to go do is actually have the tantrum that's coming through, aka what does every baby in the world do perfectly well? And how long do babies feel upset for when they're upset about something? A few minutes, unless you don't let them have a tantrum or unless you've, right? It's more than a few minutes at times. Well, no, no, I'm being, I'm trying to make the point that a baby, if all of the emphasis is to facilitate what's showing up for the baby, it's a pretty straightforward process, unless you're getting in the way or if your first response is, oh, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry. It's like, well, they're crying. So should they not be doing that? So if someone's upset, it's like, be upset and be upset and learn how to be upset in a healthy way so that you can then take all that energy and bring it to something productive, right? Something that actually creates, it's so ironic that the force that we need to change all the shitty things on the planet is the force that everybody keeps themselves completely constricted with because we don't feel safe to feel our own upsetness, right? How many people are making these whatever, like high horse posts about the wars and these things that are going on and aren't actually feeling how they're feeling, right? And how much is that getting in the way of, you know, how productive these conversations could be. And I think people who have such instant access to the gratification, the fact that you could literally see a war post and the very next post see, you know, like somebody's ass or some keto cupcakes or someone's trip to Bali or whatever it is. And the average user is now in that world. Like they actually did. They just let go. They just disassociated from the thing they just saw. And they're now in this next little square. And the effort of one little finger swipe puts you in another universe. Like a big issue with dopamine thing has to do with the level of effort put into the reward that you get. And that's why when you work really hard all week, and then you have like your pizza, beer and a movie night, you're like, man, I'm a king. This is great. Like, I'm so, I love that I can, like, I'm just going to get drunk tonight. I'm so stoked about that. And it doesn't necessarily have the same damaging effects versus, right? Having a whole week where all you did was feel good by not doing anything. And it's beautiful that humans are built to feel so good. You know, like we're clearly very like sensual, pleasurable beings. And then this fun, cool little hack is like the moment you take that away, you create the other cool thing that about humans is how powerful we are, right? How adaptive we are. It's like, we've been able to survive so many crazy things, not because of how good it felt, but because of how well we performed when we didn't feel good. And I think most people these days don't even know, don't ever get the chance to like find out that part of themselves, right? Or, or the versions that we do find out that don't feel good are completely avoidable in the first place. You know, like how, you know, so many impoverished, we literally throw out enough food in the U S every year to feed every hungry person on the planet, like twice over. So it's like, nobody technically needs to be hungry. Right? So it's again, this sort of inversion where we could ask those people to like, Oh, look at all you hungry people. Why aren't you so tough? Whereas you got all this delayed gratification. Why aren't you? Cause it's like, that's not self imposed, right? They're not choosing like fasting a day when you're fasting, you're usually feel like a rockstar, like on your first day. Cause you're like, man, I'm fat and you like feel good about it. And you're like delaying this thing, but someone who can't eat because a bunch of fricking, you know, whatever, some, some oligarchics, you know, statism run, you know, system is ensuring those people don't get the resources they need. That's like this totally like BS version of that. So I feel like if this podcast could be anything, it's like a call to arms to the people who in a sense are privileged enough and have the opportunity to like make things a little tougher for themselves so that they can be like loose. I love the term. I've been lucid dreaming since I was eight. And it's like the idea of how do we get lucid while we're awake is so fascinating to me. And this seems like one of the ways to do it, right? It's like, you're either in the dream on your phone, you know, scroll through the next thing or in the dream of your, your disassociation, cause you're so drunk or the dream of some fantasy cause you're on these pills or whatever you're doing. It's like, are we willing to experience the pain? It's like a pain threshold to become lucid because if you, when you get lucid and you look at the state of the world or just yourself, it's pretty intense. And so no wonder we're jumping to all these different things, but it's like, there has to be a, some sort of force. And I'm grateful to be a part of it. But, and you guys too, where it's like, Hey, it is painful. And I'm happy to hear you guys out and hold you in your pain anytime you ever need that. You know what I mean? And it's like, if I was too busy, you know, watching my movies and playing my video games and doing drugs or whatever, it's like, I couldn't do that for you guys. And if we need enough people being willing to show up for that, where we can get lucid to what's going on and, you know, make some new choices. [Speaker 3] (1:24:08 - 1:24:45) Yeah. You know, and pain really can be such a motivator, you know, to make those changes. And so if we are hooked to all these different things that, you know, help us repress all these emotions, like it's, it's tough, you know, but when we take all that stuff away and like you said earlier, man, like I was crying every day at all these feelings that were coming up, you know, then you can take stock in a real personal inventory and what's really happening in your life and go from there. But if you're not, if all that stuff's kind of being pushed underneath because every day you're smoking weed every day, you're having that beer every day, you know, you're jerking off every day, whatever. And it's tough. It's tough to kind of like experience the reality of what's present. [Speaker 1] (1:24:46 - 1:26:06) Yeah. The simplest way to put it, which was what gave me that shift in what I did the a hundred day detox. I forgot who said this. I should have remembered. It was pretty impactful, but the notion that, you know, if you had a really stressful day and then you clock out of work and then you get drunk for the rest of your day, you didn't actually finish your day. It was your actual day was stressful. And then at 6 PM, it wasn't stressful for the rest of the day because of a artificial influence. And some people do that for 40 years. Some people do that for 80 years, you know, AKA someone who went for 40 years and never finished one day. And sometimes what it takes is to hit that 5 PM, 6 PM mark and not get drunk or not get high or not do the thing and meet what's there to meet you, which is how stressed you were all day and how much you hate your job or how much you are ignoring the fact that you really need to say X, Y, Z to this person. And you're too afraid to say it. But then once you get drunk, you just actually think about all the things you love about that person. You forget the fact that they're crossing a boundary and you need to say something, right? It's like, there's actually so much waiting there for us. Some people probably can't shit without their phone because actually sitting there would give them just enough time to think about something they really don't want to be thinking about. [Speaker 3] (1:26:07 - 1:26:07) Exactly. [Speaker 1] (1:26:08 - 1:27:38) And how can we make a world? And that's why I run the men's group. It's why I have this emphasis on the therapy and the coaching and all this stuff. Because it's like, we're so disconnected from that because we're so disconnected from tribe is what it feels like to me. It's like, if you think of the analogy or the literal example that every night used to end with a big fire, that your whole tribe is there because you got to be warm. We're all there. And we're dancing, we're drumming. There's probably some drinking and smoking too, and storytelling. And, oh, we had a stressful day at hunting. Great. Let's tell a story about it. Make all the kids laugh. And it's like, we found a way to actually decompress and regulate and discharge the tension and the stress that we have all day. And what do we do now? I saw this image recently of someone down on the street taking a picture of a whole apartment complex. And all the rooms are full and everyone's watching the same TV show in every room. And none of them know each other. None of them are connected to each other. They're all living in the same building. They're literally like 10 feet away from four different people at all times, all watching, even watching the same show. And then we wonder why we're so afraid of everybody and anxious and all these things. And it's like, what we need is sitting right in front of us. But when we distract ourselves from what's in front of us by putting something even close right in front of us, our phone and our face, whatever it is, we're just missing the point entirely. [Speaker 3] (1:27:40 - 1:28:09) Yeah. And this is where community is so important, I think, to help transmute these traumatic experiences. And even, obviously, I know you're into GNN, but these isolating situations. And so, more and more people are isolated. So, I think that impacts the conflict and the adaptations in the body and how that impacts you overall. If you're with community and you can openly share and express and feel the feelings around something, would they have the same impact? [Speaker 1] (1:28:09 - 1:33:14) Yeah. It's massive. The last time that I quote, unquote, got sick, and I put that in quotes because I feel like we need better words for that now, right? It was after I was with a community of people who we all hadn't seen each other in a while, and we're all part of this music group, and we're singing together, and it was so cozy and lovely. And then half of the group came down with some symptoms. And knowing what I know now is like, oh, I resolved the conflict being with that group. And what a great place to be sick, quote, unquote, than with a bunch of people who could take care of me if something was up, if I didn't get out of bed because I got a fever or whatever. It's like, thank God I'm with community to do that, right? So, there's this irony too of, again, when we're given what we need, there is some stuff to confirm. So, there's this almost unconscious, and I think it's getting so well played now where it's like, even right now, the notion of community now has to include, oh, so what do you think about Israel or Palestine? Oh, so what do you think about the vaccines? And it's like all these little elements that kind of have to be, or are being created as a notion of needing to be addressed, which is making us more and more disconnected. So, I think this all still, again, ties back to how do you have a nervous system and a psyche that can hold your own volition to the degree to where you're willing to deal with the consequences? Because enough people willing to do that is going to create a clean system. If a bunch of people need to figure out some problem, and there's a bunch of opposing views, but everyone shares enough about the problem fix, it's like, let's just go. Let's just bring all that force to the table. We'll figure it out, right? And people who would rather wait and hope that somebody else figures it out because of my new Netflix show just aired, I'm going to go do that instead. It's like, how do we give people a chance to do that? So, I hope everybody who's listening at least has had a few moments to consider like, where could I give myself the chance to have a little bit of space from some of these things? Not because they're bad or because they're screwing me over because I'm some addict or something, but because maybe something we said was interesting enough where it's like, oh, maybe I am missing out on something or want to at least expand my perspective, right? In the same value that going and doing some cool, well-facilitated psychedelic journey or going on a meditation retreat or something, it's like just enough of a change in the environment, in your inputs, in your outputs, lets you become more of yourself, putting yourself in scenarios you wouldn't normally be put into. So, if you look at what's become so extremely normalized in everyone's day-to-day, whether it's waking up, jumping right to your phone, needing coffee just to function, snacking on sugary stuff in the middle of the day because your energy's off when all you had to do was literally walk around the block for eight minutes and you'd have better energy than the candy did, et cetera. It's like giving yourself the gift of doing a little audit of your day and just considering what of these things, if they could be replaced or changed or switched out, how could they be? Why would I want to do that? And just give yourself that chance to paint a new picture. And there's a lot of beautiful things to find on the other side of that. You wouldn't be surprised how many indecision is what's holding most people back. Like anxiety is usually just the result of having not made a decision about something. And it's a lot easier to make decisions about things when your chemistry isn't so up and down all the time from these different things. You can't really outthink your hormones, right? Like as men, when you got enough juice in the tank and you're ready to rock and you could freaking build a castle, you could make 10 babies, whatever it is, right? It's a certain kind of mode you get into that is pretty pervasive and it's pretty powerful. And women, there's the whole stereotype of women and their hormones, et cetera. And not because that's disrespectful, but because it's kind of empirical that it deserves a certain holding. So the way our chemistry is set up and the ebbs and flows will constantly go into her. When you're on the up, you're not seeing reality clearly because you have these rose tinted glasses on. And then when you're on the dip, you're not seeing it clearly either because you're in this deficit feeling. So you could look at something great in the world and not even feel good about it because you're just on a dip from your caffeine from this morning, right? So it's like, how do you find that more even feel approach? So you're actually having conversations with yourself and actually feeling what you're actually feeling. And then we all bring that to the table. [Speaker 3] (1:33:17 - 1:33:17) Well said, bro. [Speaker 1] (1:33:18 - 1:33:20) Let's give it a shot. Let's see how it goes. [Speaker 3] (1:33:20 - 1:33:22) Stay curious, y'all. Stay curious. [Speaker 2] (1:33:24 - 1:33:51) I know, but I totally agree with what you're saying. Well, for sure. Nathaniel, man, thank you so much for this past 90 minutes, bro. Loved every second of this conversation. Just in closing, man, gonna give one more, I guess, shout out to Ritual Reboot. And for those listening, Nathaniel's offered an exclusive discount code to our listeners, which is TRUTH100. You'll find it in the show notes, along with the unique link to the program. [Speaker 1] (1:33:53 - 1:35:40) Yeah. Thanks for having me on. I feel like we could go for hours in so many different directions. So... We'll do another one down the road, man. Yeah, that'd be great. And I'd love to have you guys on some stuff that I'm doing soon, too. I'll keep you guys posted about that. But yeah, thank you for just giving me the chance to speak to these things. There's so many ways to get into it. I think anybody who's interested in Ritual Reboot, just go check out the page, ritualreboot.com. It basically unpacks everything you would need to know. And it just works. If you're liking the stuff you're hearing on here and would rather just have it all mapped out for you and hold your hand through it instead of waking up tomorrow and saying you're not going to do all the stuff and just dealing with that, it's pretty hard to do. I actually do recommend it still because then you'll just see how hard that is. And it comes with a great community. We have a whole community app and just connecting with other like-minded people and even getting questions answered. If you feel like you're struggling with something very specific that we maybe didn't address, you can hit me up on Instagram or if you want to find out if it's the right fit. We've had people come in from almost every walk under the sun and get value from this. So whether it's just wanting to be more productive or more focused or not on your phone so much, they're not smoking or drinking or sugaring or whatever it is too much, yeah, it can bring a lot for you. So thank you for giving me the chance to shout it out and connecting with your incredible audience. I know anybody who's listening to this is already privy to these things. And so this is just your invitation to see how hard you can go at it and how good that can feel and how much clearer you can feel because there's a lot of clarity for everybody to get. [Speaker 3] (1:35:40 - 1:35:53) We're sure, man. And I think anyone who's honest with themselves knows there's things that they can tighten up in their life. I know I can. So I appreciate you, man. Obviously, I got deep respect for you. Thanks for all the work that you're doing. And it's just great to have these conversations. [Speaker 1] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54) Yeah, thanks, bro. [Speaker 2] (1:35:55 - 1:36:24) Yeah, absolutely. Likewise, Daniel's amount of integrity, and I think whatever he creates is going to be pretty groundbreaking as well. So just one more time, Truth 100, it's got $100 off his program, which will reboot. You'll find that along with the link in the show notes. Daniel, much love and respect, man. Everyone else, thanks for listening. Take care. Thank you. Transcribed by https://otter.ai