Thor Aarsand The Play Revolution

(0:00 - 0:08) Coming up in this episode. Play more, find more ways where you can just incorporate play into your life. Our highest truth is to play. (0:08 - 0:13) You embody love when you play. Our children are our greatest teachers. They're just playing. (0:13 - 0:28) There really is the revolution that the modern world today needs. The more people that can play, the more we can remind each other of our divine truth. You are now listening to the Year for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus. (0:30 - 0:39) What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Year for the Truth podcast. I'm Joel Rafiti. Got my co-host Erasmus with me here today as always. (0:39 - 0:47) Thank you for being here. Thank you for valuing truth over comfort. Thank you for valuing authenticity over fitting in and just going with emotions. (0:48 - 0:52) That's kind of what we're all about. And today's guest is absolutely no different. His name is Thor. (0:52 - 1:16) And that should tell you everything you need to know about the conversation that you're about to hear. For real though, I fucking love this episode. We get deep on keeping it real, really aligning your vocation and your career with the unique calling of your soul, which is something that is so close to our hearts and so close to the core of the work that we do as well. (1:16 - 1:23) So I think you're really going to get so much value out of this episode. And you're going to get a huge dose of inspiration. There's no doubt about that. (1:24 - 1:40) So thanks for showing up and please enjoy this episode. Thor Arsand is a serial entrepreneur, philosopher, storyteller, ruthlessly committed to making the world a better place. His mission is to help heart-sensitive leaders share their unique gifts and reach the masses with their message. (1:40 - 2:02) A Norwegian Viking with his heart on his sleeve, Thor dropped out of high school in 2018 to pursue the entrepreneurial path. Since then, he has navigated failures, embraced lessons and forged his way to success, proving that purpose and persistence can rewrite any story. Man, first things first, reading that you dropped out of high school in 2018 makes me feel old as fuck. (2:04 - 2:20) Yeah, dude. It's wild to look back at, but yeah, I am comparatively fresh in this space. Coming up on a decade like in the online world, but yeah, it's still the youngster. (2:21 - 2:23) Awesome, man. I love it, man. I graduated high school in 1998. (2:25 - 2:38) The year after I was born, you graduated high school. That's a wild, crazy world, man. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I love it. Yeah, yeah. Hey, man, one way we always like to kind of kick these conversations off is we'd like to dive a little bit deeper into your own personal hero's journey. (2:38 - 2:51) And I guess some of the major rites of passage in your life that have led you down this path that you're on. Yeah, well, I dropped out of high school. That's a good place to start. (2:53 - 2:59) I was really committed to doing well in school. So I had really good grades. So everybody was surprised when I dropped out. (3:00 - 3:12) It's going from straight A's to all failed grades in the span of six months because my online hustle was taking off. I was beginning to make five, six, seven, 10 grand a month. And I'm like, yo, I'm making more than my teachers. (3:13 - 3:20) This is ridiculous. And so that became the dropout point. From that point, just started traveling a lot. (3:21 - 3:26) Still really committed to just business. I just wanted to make money. I wanted to live the lifestyle, travel. (3:27 - 3:39) The shit you see on Instagram, that was my dream. And then eventually that became my reality. 2019, I traveled to more countries than I ever been to before. (3:39 - 3:50) And that's also when I kind of fell into spirituality. I had my first mushroom ceremony in Ibiza in 2019. And that changed a lot for me. (3:50 - 3:59) Up until that point, I'd always been very, very, very rushed. Everything that I would do would be super rushed. Even driving, you know, driving super fast, just like super impatient. (3:59 - 4:15) And then for the first time in my life, I tasted a different reality where I was actually more at peace with myself and I was moving slower. And I just knew that this is it. There's something about this way of living that is more true to our divinity than whatever the fuck I was doing before. (4:15 - 4:39) And so I just, from that point, became really committed to coming back to that state because it faded after two months and I was back to my old patterns. And then, yeah, continued to build business, continued to walk the path of spirituality, worked with some really, really big clients. Russell Brunson, Grant Cardone's business partner, in doing their social media marketing. (4:40 - 4:56) And that we did up until 2022. Towards the mid-end of 2022, it kind of became like, it didn't feel as exciting as it was, you know, being in these worlds. It was clear that this still was not the path to happiness. (4:56 - 5:07) And I kind of was reminded of my trip in 2019 in Ibiza, like, these millionaires and billionaires are still on the hamster wheel. They're still running. They're still chasing. (5:07 - 5:13) They're still not happy. They still barely have time for their kids and family. And when they do, it's heavily structured and disciplined. (5:13 - 5:38) And it's like, the fuck is this? And so that led to changes in both the business and my own perception of work, of business, of marketing, of sales. Like, how do you go about this in a balanced way where you're not burning yourself out, where you're not working 12 hours a day? I mean, I'll work 12 hours a day if I don't have to, because I fucking love what I do. And if I'm in my zone of genius, it's not work. (5:38 - 5:49) It's just play. But that really became, yeah, a big piece that shifted a lot. And so in 2023, we let go of the company. (5:49 - 5:56) My business partner decided to give the company away. He got offered a million dollars for it. But he said that God's telling me to, like, give away the company. (5:56 - 6:05) And I'm his main side man, you could say, at the time. And I'm like, well, if that's what you're saying, then that's what we're doing. And so I fully trusted in him. (6:06 - 6:36) He trusted in God. He had his awakening, what they call the enlightened awakening after that point, because he'd given up all his material possessions and fully committed his path to God. And so from that point onwards, it's a lot of struggles going from being executive business owners, pulling in $50,000 to $100,000 a month, and then going back to square one again and doing tasks that you haven't done in five years, managing admin and contracts. (6:36 - 6:55) I'm like, why the fuck did we do this? There's a lot of resentment as well from that experience. But all in divine timing, it taught us a lot. And yeah, now still using my genius, but in a different way we're not working with, you could say, old world entrepreneurs. (6:55 - 7:11) But we're focused on empowering heart-led business owners and New Earth leaders putting their message on blast, because those are the ones that really need a microphone right now to create significant change in this world. Nice, bro. I just want to rewind a little bit, because I'm just so curious. (7:12 - 7:46) What was going on inside of you when you were like, okay, I'm getting straight A's? And then was there someone who inspired you where you're like, peace out, school? And then how did that impact the people that knew you? My best friend actually was the one that inspired me to drop out, because he was failing all of his classes. He's not from Norway, he's from Venezuela, so he's had a language barrier that he struggled with as well for some time. He dropped out when he was making no money before Christmas. (7:47 - 7:56) And I was like, bro, that's balls. He just knew this wasn't the path. That inspired me to also follow suit, because I knew this was what I wanted to do, and we were best friends at the time. (7:58 - 8:06) But it didn't sit well with most of my friends. It did not sit well with my parents, especially my mom, living at home. I didn't even tell her that I dropped out. (8:06 - 8:14) She found out from someone else, and she comes home one day. She's like, what the fuck did you do? And I'm like, oh, shit. She found out a week later. (8:14 - 8:24) I'd just been at home in my room grinding. Did you say it in English, or did you say it in your language? She said it in my language. I would love to hear what it sounded like, what it sounds like in your language. (8:25 - 8:40) Dude, how would I say that? I'm going to give it my best try. She'd be knocking on the door. She'd be like, Tor, what the fuck is going on? Did you drop out of high school? She speaks in this very feminine accent. (8:40 - 8:43) I love it. Yeah, it was hell on earth, man. It was hell on earth. (8:45 - 8:52) Yeah, for three months. And then eventually, I remember showing my dad that I had 16K in my PayPal account. And at that point, he was convinced. (8:53 - 8:58) He was like, okay, okay, cool. I'll go work on mom, was his comment. I was like, okay, nice, nice. (8:58 - 9:08) We're making progress. Yeah, man, I respect that, man. And I totally respect at that point in time and at your age, having the courage to do something like that. (9:08 - 9:21) Because there's nothing worse than feeling restricted. There's nothing worse than feeling like you're committed to a path that isn't resonant with who you really are and what you really want. And we make these crossroads so often in our lives. (9:21 - 9:27) And some people never muster the courage to be like, fuck, no, I'm done. I'm going to be okay. I know I'm going to disappoint people in this process. (9:28 - 9:36) But there's no other choice for me to take. It's just kind of there's a burning call to do something else and be somewhere else. Yeah. (9:36 - 9:42) Joel and I have our own version of that too. You know, it's like... Yeah. Yeah, I went to college. (9:42 - 9:45) I actually did go to college. And then I worked for two years. And then I was like, fuck this. (9:45 - 9:50) And I wanted to start. I started my own alternative journey. And this was back in 2004. (9:50 - 9:59) And I remember telling my parents I wanted to pursue an acting career. You know, because I was really fell in love with performance and cinema. And my mom, I went and told her. (9:59 - 10:07) And she's like, you want to be an actor? You know, she was bugging out. My dad was actually somewhat supportive. And then the roles flipped. (10:07 - 10:15) But again, it's like, what is that in the individual, in their spirit? Where they go, I'm not happy. I'm unsatisfied. This isn't the path I want to be on. (10:15 - 10:24) And they actually make the decision. And then when you make the decision, whatever you want to call it, God, the universe. Like, they're amazing things. (10:24 - 10:30) The unseen forces come to support you. The right people come into your path. The right opportunities present themselves. (10:30 - 10:36) But they don't present themselves when you're living in stagnancy. And the mental looping of like, I hate this shit. I don't want to be doing this shit. (10:36 - 10:40) You don't want to be doing this shit. But you're still doing this shit. Yeah. (10:40 - 10:46) And that too is like the greatest test of faith. Jumping into that unknown. You can sit and pray all day. (10:46 - 11:01) You can meditate all day. But true faith is built in hardship, through leaning into trusting yourself. And through that trust that you build with yourself, you also learn to cultivate trust with spirit, with God, with the earth, with mother nature. (11:02 - 11:17) And yeah, I would have never been even... I wouldn't have even known about spirituality if it wasn't for me jumping into business. But that just being a catalyst for me choosing the life that I wanted to live. And that's the most spiritual thing you could do. (11:17 - 11:29) That's the most thing you can do aligned with God is to choose your fucking life instead of the programming. Yeah, I totally agree, man. True spirituality, like it's rooted in becoming more of who you really are. (11:29 - 11:58) In becoming more authentic, in walking the road less traveled. And it's not found in disassociating from our lives and becoming nobody and doing nothing. It's like, if there is a creator, and if God truly loves me, what more would he want than for me to have the courage day in and day out to trust the innate passions, the innate curiosities, the innate interests that I have in my bones and to act upon them and to move towards them. (11:58 - 12:09) And time and time again in my life, I've found, man, when I move towards more joy, when I genuinely follow my bliss, their God is more than any other times. Absolutely. So well said, man. (12:09 - 12:12) So well said. Yeah. Thanks, man. (12:12 - 12:42) Or what do you think are the biggest things holding people back, especially of your generation, people that have stayed on the hamster wheel? Doomscrolling for sure is holding people back. Um, yeah, man, I mean, the more time you don't jump in, the harder it gets, and because you just drift further and further away from your truth, you become more and more numb to reality, to yourself, to your senses. Like the ones, it's fascinating. (12:42 - 13:02) I was telling my friend the other day, we were reflecting on, yeah, we went to the trampoline park, and that was a fucking hilarious experience. We're 15 years older than all the kids at the trampoline park, but we had the greatest time. And even last week or two weeks ago, we went snowboarding. (13:02 - 13:11) I snowboard, my friend ski, and we're like the best kids in the slopes at whatever. We're doing tricks. I'm doing my back flips and front flips and whatnot. (13:11 - 13:18) And we were like, one of my friends said, yo, there's no gibbers anymore. Where's the gibbers? There used to be gibbers. Gibber is a word. (13:18 - 13:30) It's somebody that's cool and skilled at skiing or snowboarding. They're called gibbers in surf, snowboarding language. And I thought about it. (13:30 - 13:42) I was like, yeah, we're the best people here. And then it landed. Yeah, all the people that used to be, you could say, better than us, they've given up on their passion now. (13:42 - 13:49) They're too old to go and snowboard. They're too old to go ski. They're too old to go to the trampoline park. (13:49 - 14:04) It's not even in their awareness anymore that that's an actual thing that you can do. And, yeah, it's a sad thing to see. And so people, the longer you wait, the more you drift away from that. (14:05 - 14:13) I'm kind of, yeah, slightly losing your question, but. No, you kind of answered it, man, for sure. Yeah. (14:13 - 14:32) And it's like, the more that you ignore the call and the more that you reject the path, the weaker your intuition becomes as well. Because you just squash that voice and you kind of lose self-trust. And that's a very slippery slope because you begin to lose the thread of your real calling in life as well. (14:33 - 14:57) And the longer you wait, the further you get away from it, like the bigger the challenge it is and the more pain that's going to come when you decide to finally face the reality of what you've been avoiding this whole time. I mean, that's what a midlife crisis is. I mean, it's like people that have been ignoring that call for a few decades and making decisions based on very often what society thinks they should do or their parents think they should do. (14:57 - 15:11) And then at some point, like the unconscious can't be quiet or the things can't be pushed under the rug for that long. And things come up and usually what's necessary to happen happens. But it's very, very, very painful. (15:12 - 15:18) That's it. Yeah. What you suppress has to grow because it just piles up. (15:18 - 15:24) It piles on top of each other. At one point, you will face it. If it's on your deathbed, it's like you're going to have the worst death ever. (15:25 - 15:35) But for a lot of people, it comes like in the middle of their life, which is ridiculous. We've normalized this whole thing about midlife crisis. It's like, dude, that's fucked. (15:35 - 15:43) It's genuinely fucked. Yeah. And the more it piles up, it becomes like a shit heap and it begins to fucking stink. (15:43 - 16:07) And it's always in the background of your mind that like, holy shit, there's something huge daunting me, standing over me that I need to face eventually. And it's not an ideal way to live at all, man. No, and hence why people then turn to all the substances and the self-soothing mechanisms to keep that voice at bay. (16:07 - 16:11) Just drink more. Let me fuck more. Let me smoke more weed. (16:11 - 16:19) Let me work harder and longer. Let me make more and more and more and more money to see if it'll fill me up and quiet that voice. But it never does. (16:20 - 16:27) Never does. For five years ago, I was driving a forklift. I'd never recorded a podcast before in my life. (16:27 - 17:01) I'd never thought about generating content on social media. I'd never thought about actually allowing the genuine interest and curiosities of my mind and of my spirit to lead as a vocation and as a career in my life. It's wild what can happen the moment you begin steering the ship to allow your genuine interests and curiosities to have more space and to actually have the belief of why can't this be my life? Why can't this be what I do for a living? Why does there have to be such separation between who I am and what I do? Most people, they live separate lives. (17:01 - 17:16) They go to work and they have a completely different life to who they are within their home and who they are even by themselves. To me, that's not conducive to a healthy human being. It doesn't make sense. (17:17 - 17:34) It's one thing too that I started noticing in these entrepreneurial spaces. Even people that have, you could say, more balance because they're making more money and they're working with more fun people and they're more aligned with their passion. The average entrepreneur is a lot more aligned with their passion than the average person in their job. (17:35 - 17:50) But still, there's so much separation even in those worlds. When you're in a business meeting, you have to show up in a certain way and you've got to communicate in a certain way and you've got to do this and you've got to do that. And it's like, where the fuck is the flavor? Yes, we need structure. (17:50 - 18:09) There's pain on either side of the spectrum. We need a certain bit of structure, but not to the point that it kills the play. That's been my biggest fascination, is what is that perfect balance between play and structure, between organization but not pressure. (18:09 - 18:20) That's really where you can build a job that you love and that you have passion for. For me, hopping up on podcasts and recording content, it's aligned with my DNA. It's aligned with my soul's blueprints. (18:20 - 18:30) I will never have a bad time shooting content or talking to people. It's just what I like to do. And so that's the work that we all get to do. (18:31 - 18:47) And it's jarring for a lot of people that have been so disconnected from it because you got a lot of slack to, you could say, quote unquote, pick up. But if you want to be happy, there's no other path for you to be happy than just to lean into your own DNA and your own soul's blueprint. It is the only path to genuine happiness. (18:48 - 18:55) Yeah. A lot of that balance for me actually came through having a family. I've got 3 kids. (18:56 - 19:00) We're living abroad in Mexico. I fully work at home. My family is downstairs now. (19:00 - 19:15) They're never going to go to school. They're free playing, following their curiosities as well. And it's amazing I get to be this entrepreneur and build this business, this heart-led business, this inspired-led business and be here and have the structure and realize I've got a base and have a foundation. (19:15 - 19:23) I'm not just toing and froing. And for me, it's like everything is just synergistic. Everything just makes sense and clicks together. (19:23 - 19:35) And so having more familial responsibility for me has brought a lot of balance to my personal life. Now, a short break from the episode. What's up, everyone? Thank you so much for listening to this episode. (19:35 - 19:51) We hope you're getting value out of it. If you want to dive into these kinds of conversations and have this level of depth and vulnerability, this is what goes on in our membership community, Friends of the Truth. We have a private Telegram group where we can get into all different types of conversations. (19:51 - 20:00) We have five calls a month, two community calls. We have a German New Medicine study group. We have a call that gets into divination and astrology and tarot. (20:00 - 20:22) But the most important thing is we wanted to keep building this community. And so we ended up dropping the price from $39 a month to $17 a month. So, in our minds, it is ridiculous, incredible value to connect with people all around the world, to dive into these kinds of subjects, to be open, to be vulnerable, to make new friends, to be inspired. (20:23 - 20:37) And that's why we created Friends of the Truth. So, if you want to join or if you want to learn more, you can go to www.hereforthetruth.com forward slash F-O-T-T, and we'd love to see you in there. Back to the episode. (20:38 - 20:49) I was going to ask, because you also said that five years ago, you're in this trucking job. And I assume you had kids at that time, too. How did you make that pivot? Yeah, I had my eldest. (20:49 - 20:58) She was, I think, two. And I had a newborn at that point in time. And that was during the 2020 period. (20:58 - 21:08) And that was a very monumental shift for so many people. Things even just energetically changed around that time. And it became more obvious. (21:08 - 21:18) I think it became more obvious to many people what felt inauthentic in their lives. And that was very true for me as well. The amount of inauthenticity around me, it became un-voidable. (21:18 - 21:28) And I was like, I just have to face this and have to deal with it. And so I was working in a family business. It became very obvious that there weren't many shared values. (21:28 - 21:40) And it became really obvious to me that I was just walking a path that wasn't true to who I am. It's almost like I was living a life half-lived, so to speak. And you start being real with yourself and shit changes very quickly, man. (21:40 - 21:49) I was listening to a podcast on my way to work. And I heard this guy in front of me, Erasmus, speaking on one of my other favorite podcasts. And I got so much value out of it. (21:49 - 21:54) And I was like, I'm going to hit this guy up. I'm going to send him an Instagram message. So I sent him an Instagram message. (21:54 - 22:06) Then we started chatting, realized we were on the same page. Then we recorded episode one of this podcast in May 2021, nearly four years ago now. And we just did that every single week of our lives ever since then. (22:06 - 22:18) And bit by bit, it became obvious that this is what I want to do more than anything else. And so it became the primary driver of my life. The things that were inauthentic eventually fell away until they were obsolete. (22:18 - 22:25) And I didn't need them at all anymore. Powerful, powerful, man. And that too is such an inspiration for your kids. (22:26 - 22:35) Because you're actually bringing life into your family. Because you're bringing life into your own life instead of... Yeah, it's the greatest gift you can give them. Absolutely, man. (22:35 - 22:40) And you know how it is, bro. Once you get a taste, there's no other choice. There's no fucking going back. (22:40 - 22:56) Like, no matter what it takes, I'm willing to lift the mountain because this is what I want more than anything else. And that's true freedom, man. Just to think about my kids having the opportunity to build a life based around what they're really fucking interested in, what they really care about. (22:57 - 23:20) Not having to be force-fed and force-conditioned these ideas and these curriculums and these syllabuses that have nothing to do with what they really care about. And I've got no doubt they're all going to be entrepreneurs in their own way and build beautiful lives based around the things that they're really... Because they have the time and the freedom to play around, to tinker, to be creative, to be in their zone of genius. And the combination of that, man, it's the key to success for sure. (23:21 - 23:26) Absolutely. Absolutely. And there's something to say about you doing that and them seeing that. (23:26 - 23:39) Because you can talk, talk, talk all you want. But if they see daddy or mommy doing things they don't want to do, frustrated, not satisfied, that rubs off. So, it's like, be the example. (23:40 - 23:50) Yeah, for sure. I'm a father, I may be one day. But I take a lot of inspiration from Joel and other people that are living a more alternative life and they understand the schooling system is fucked. (23:51 - 24:01) Yeah. Let me ask you this, man. You mentioned you spend some time around people like Brunson and Cardone, massive names in the .com online entrepreneurial space. (24:01 - 24:22) It seems like they're having a lot of fun based on what's being posted. But do you feel like they're satisfied? Do you feel like they're living genuinely authentic lives? And there's wholeness there or no? That is a great question. Do I feel like someone like Grant Cardone, for example, is fulfilled? I don't think so. (24:23 - 24:41) Just looking at how he expresses himself and how he moves, it's like the feeling that I get is like, this is off. This is off. I don't think it would take a lot for him to pivot, but he's so deep in his own shit and his own way of moving. (24:41 - 24:54) And it's how his whole empire and business is built on that. There's a lot of ego tied up in it, which is his greatest, you could say, shortcoming. But yeah, I don't think they are genuinely happy. (24:54 - 25:13) Russell Brunson, I believe, is more happy. He's got a more balanced life as far as my experience goes or how I've seen him, spent time with him in person. But even him, it's very much the programming of doing, doing, doing, doing, doing. (25:13 - 25:19) There's always something going on. Now, you could be the most passionate person in the world with what you do. And he is really passionate. (25:19 - 25:31) He is really passionate about advertising and sales and all of this stuff. But he's got a really, really packed schedule. And yeah, I don't feel like there's perfect balance there. (25:32 - 25:45) Again, I'm not going to sit here and judge him because, dude, I'm literally here in this chair because I bought his books eight years ago. But again, there's always improvements being made. And that's the next generation. (25:46 - 25:55) We're here to stand on the shoulders of giants and pioneer in a new way. And for me, I see the things that he might not be able to see. He's got 20 years on me. (25:56 - 26:00) Also, a lot of experience. But the planet is shifting. Things are changing. (26:00 - 26:11) Society is evolving. And yeah, that's really what I'm following. And my lens of perception when it comes to, you could say, this judgment or these thoughts. (26:13 - 26:16) But again, this duality. You can honor someone. You can respect someone. (26:16 - 26:26) You can give them credit for inspiring you. And at the same time, you're free to point out maybe some things that feel off or aren't right. I mean, we're allowed to do that. (26:27 - 26:40) It's like, that's one of the, I think the, I want to say the shadow side, but the shortcomings of even the spiritual world. It's like, we can't tap into this part of us. We have to just be all positive all the time. (26:40 - 26:48) Like, fuck that. It's all spiritual, all aspects of us. Like being human, being here, laughing, crying, getting angry. (26:48 - 26:55) All this stuff is rich human experience. So it's like, we just throw certain things in the corner and go, well, that's spiritual now. And yes. (26:55 - 27:02) And now, oh, how dare you say those words or behave in that way? That's very non-spiritual. Like, fuck off. Yeah. (27:03 - 27:06) Like me even be saying, fuck off. Like, well, I'm not spiritual. No, you're awesome. (27:06 - 27:12) I thought you were a spiritual person. And you just on a podcast, I heard you say, fuck off. And I'm never watching your podcast again. (27:12 - 27:17) And actually, I'm unfollowing you on Instagram. It's fucking, it's retarded, man. It's retarded. (27:17 - 27:32) And there's like, there's so much stigma around this. Like, oh, you got to express yourself in a certain way. That to me is one of my biggest fascinations is, you know, the dance between those extremes of like being, you know, because my heart's fucking wide open. (27:32 - 27:38) I give a shit. I really care. And I will absolutely slap up a person if that person needs slapping. (27:38 - 27:44) Some people just need to be slapped up to awaken. And some other people, they need a hug. And so it's all for us to discern the difference. (27:44 - 27:50) And we also have different parts of ourselves. There's a killer inside all men. And there's a slut. (27:50 - 28:01) There's a whore inside all women. And if you are only rejecting that part of yourself, you're only going to live from a fragment. You're only going to be a part of yourself to become complete, to be full. (28:01 - 28:06) You have to integrate all of that, those parts. And that's uncomfortable. That's dark. (28:06 - 28:18) You have to venture deep, deep, deep into those corners of your psyche that you've been programmed to reject your whole life. But that's where true liberation is. And that's where radical self-acceptance comes in. (28:18 - 28:29) You're accepting and embodying all of you. And it's like Jordan Peterson said, become a monster and then learn how to master that monster. Yeah, you're speaking our language. (28:29 - 28:32) Although I draw the line at retarded, bro. That's it. We have to end this podcast. (28:34 - 28:40) Fuck, fuck. Yeah, but that's what makes life juicy, man. I mean, I'm in the same boat. (28:40 - 28:58) This is another reason why I got drawn to even performance and acting in the first place. I love the exploration of the human spirit and human psyche and to be able to tap in these different parts of me in service of telling stories. But then it's like that ended up supporting me in life, just having this dance between opposites. (28:58 - 29:12) And obviously, a more conscious, rational, grounded person knows how to respond appropriately to the situation. You could be in touch with your killer and then someone says like, someone cuts you off and you go kill them. That's probably not the appropriate response and using that. (29:12 - 29:51) So it's like we're playing this instrument that is us. And do we play the right strings for the right moment or like an orchestra within us? And so are the right instruments playing at the right time in order to get the things that we truly want at the deepest level? And I think that's part of the journey we're on is like, how do we embrace more of who we are and then have the consciousness to know how to choose to be in certain moments? And that happens fluidly. It's not like I'm going to go out today and be like, okay, which part of me is supposed to come in right now and operate? It's like you do the work, you do the exploration, you have the fun, and then you just go live. (29:51 - 29:55) It's like learning how to fucking play an instrument. In the beginning, it's like, oh my God, I have to do this string. I have to do that. (29:56 - 29:59) Or you're trying to play basketball. I got to shoot the hoop this many times. Then you just go play. (30:00 - 30:10) And then you trust that you're going to do the things and say the things as best you can, depending on what the situation calls for. And of course, it's not going to be perfect. There's more learning that comes from that. (30:11 - 30:21) But that's how I see life. Have fun, explore, go deep, crash into things, mess up, get more data, learn, and then let's see what happens. That's it, man. (30:22 - 30:27) And that's where spirit comes in. It's like life is just a big freestyle. It's just a big freestyle. (30:27 - 30:40) And to have the most fun and also to perform at the highest level, let go of the mind and just trust in spirit. That's how you have a good flow on a podcast. If you're in your mind, okay, should I talk now? Okay, Joel kind of wants to maybe talk. (30:41 - 30:55) You're going to just fucking create a clusterfuck because you're too much in the mind. When you just breathe into it and let spirit come through it, it has this way of just finding a beautifully balanced natural flow. Yeah, I hear you there, man. (30:57 - 31:15) So interesting when we talk about the mind. It's so important. Obviously, if we didn't work on our minds, if we didn't learn, if we didn't read, if we couldn't do this stuff, but then you can take it to a point where it paralyzes you or you can get distorted from conditioning which then impacts your thinking, impacts your mind, impacts your behavior. (31:15 - 31:30) So it's just like, again, it comes back to the balance. We need to have the ability to think critically, to use our minds properly. But then there are instances where we don't do anything because we're so lost in the depths of our mind and our thinking. (31:30 - 31:51) Yeah. And then it raises the question, what is the mind? Is the mind localized between my ears or is the mind something broader within my field that's receiving and is outputting all the time? When I think about my own personal consciousness and the way that I interface with reality, I don't think it's happening just here. No. (31:51 - 32:01) It's happening on a much broader spectrum. I mean, you can even, I mean, it's like the great Jung quote, I think. It's like, we separate mind and body, but it's just so we can understand it. (32:01 - 32:05) But there really isn't the separation. Yes. Yes. (32:05 - 32:18) That's actually such a good point too, because it's not about, you know, shutting off your mind when you're in flow with spirit. You're actually more in tune with your mind. Your mind is just this big receiver of signals, of information from the field, from the universe. (32:19 - 32:40) And so, it's like letting the mind also move in its own intuitive way, the way it was designed instead of it being this rigid thinking machine of calculation and overthinking. Yeah, exactly. And life becomes so much more dynamic as well in that state, you know? Yeah. (32:40 - 32:56) But again, like we were saying before, there's a time and a place where maybe you might need to have that ability to focus and calculate and be rigid. But then, does that part of you like drive the wheel all the time and you lose the gold from like, fuck it, I'm just going to go play. I'm going to have some fun. (32:56 - 33:13) I'm going to be more, quote unquote, irrational, if you know what I mean. Like, it may not make sense. I mean, just think of the things that we're talking about right now, the decisions that we make, like leaving school, quitting a job, the path that you think that you're going to be on for the next 20 years, you know? And it's like, I don't know. (33:13 - 33:27) There's just something in me. There's something that's telling me like, I have to make a right turn and not keep going down this path. And to other people who aren't in us, who aren't embodying who we are, they have their projections, their expectations, and they think it's crazy. (33:28 - 33:30) And it's like, I don't know. I just have to do it. Yeah. (33:30 - 33:38) You know? You just have to do it. And then by the doing, you just keep learning. So, let's say you fall flat on your face. (33:38 - 33:45) Like, I'm sure you've had failures in your life, like I think it was in your bio. But then you keep learning and growing and evolving. It's like, thank you. (33:45 - 33:55) Like, how can we like thank the mistakes and thank the failures, you know? I mean, I could do a better job of that in my life. You know, there's sometimes where I might approach things a little bit more cautiously. Yeah. (33:55 - 34:13) And I think this is where it's really important as human beings that we need to embrace the hero archetype on a deeper level because I feel like the hero is something that's been kind of lost. And we kind of, you know, vicariously get our dose of heroism out through movies and through TV shows. And we think we're the main character. (34:13 - 34:18) We think that we're the main star. Then we go back to our old lives and like we're so timid. We're like shells. (34:18 - 34:33) Like there's zero courage there to do something new, to truly speak for ourselves, to truly take a risk, you know? And I think like, I want to be the main character. I want to be the hero. And I want to embody that and embrace that as much as I can. (34:34 - 34:51) And if there's places in my life where I feel like I'm being timid, or I feel like I'm shying away, like that's a data for me. That's where the phone is ringing the loudest. That's where I want to answer the call the most, where there's the most scarcity, where there's the most fear, where there's the most uncertainty, because I know that's the path to more liberation. (34:52 - 35:10) Absolutely. Absolutely. It's interesting too what you, like what you're both speaking to here is the way of flowing through life, the way of having a fun, playful, you could say smooth life in a way where you're not constantly fucking shocked by these inconveniences that happen. (35:10 - 35:26) And it made me think of freestyle rapping. Five, six years ago, I got into freestyle rapping. And it's super chunky and fucking, you know, you're fucking nervous, you're around the boys, maybe you're smoking some weed, you're high, it's like you're freaking out. (35:26 - 35:42) And the greatest approach to freestyling is obviously letting go of the mind. But if you don't know the word that rhymes and you're in the middle of a sentence, just say some random fucking shit and keep the flow going. That's the whole secret. (35:42 - 35:48) Just keep the flow going. And eventually in time, it's going to catch on. You're building that momentum. (35:48 - 35:56) If half of what you're saying is words that aren't even words, but it rhymes, good. That's how you learn freestyling. And again, that's also how you learn to live life. (35:57 - 36:09) If you just continue to fucking smack your head into the wall, but you just keep on going and moving. And then because otherwise, it's so easy to get stuck in the head and overthinking. And now you got analysis paralysis and now you're not doing anything. (36:09 - 36:13) Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. We've been sharing Mac videos all day over here. (36:13 - 36:19) Oh, dude, fuck it. Yeah, yeah, I watched probably every single video on his channel. All the Omegle bars. (36:19 - 36:24) It's so good. No, I've watched every single one of his videos. He just keeps getting better, man. (36:25 - 36:29) He just keeps getting better. He is so good. It is fucking unfathomable. (36:29 - 36:33) It is so wild. I've shown it to everybody. Same here, man. (36:33 - 36:44) I've introduced him to so many people because it's just like, this is it, man. I love people's zone of genius. And this part of the work we do beyond the podcast and our coaching stuff, like become who you were fucking born to be. (36:44 - 36:58) You know what I mean? And it's like, I see Harry Mack and I'm like, oh, my goodness, dude, this is someone who has put the time, the energy, the effort to become masterful. And I love that, man. I'm not like, whatever, like, you know, fuck him. (36:58 - 37:05) You know, like, like, because I'm grateful for what I'm doing and who I am. And I want other people to be grateful and lit up. And he did. (37:05 - 37:15) He's so good to reach out to his team to get him on the podcast. I got what one exchange back and then forwarded to another person. And then there were like the typical like, yeah, we'll reach out if we're interested. (37:15 - 37:25) I don't know. Our podcast might be a little bit too alternative, but but I have so much respect for him. And he brings so much joy into people's lives. (37:25 - 37:31) Yeah. And I love listening to him. And the other thing I really appreciate about him, like he has a consciousness and awareness. (37:31 - 37:41) Like I was watching one of his live things with the people that show up in the streets and like someone gave him a word like weed or marijuana. And there was a kid there. He's like, no, I'm not I'm not I'm not going to I'm not going to use that word. (37:41 - 37:56) And there's just something about that, like there's a wholesome quality to Harry Mack that I really appreciate, especially since we grew up with like fucking gangster rap, like talking about bitches and hoes and a million dollars, you know, a million dollars and shit like that. So anyways, I get it. I get lit up. (37:56 - 37:59) Yeah. Yeah, dude. I mean, you mentioned freestyle. (38:00 - 38:03) I was like, oh shit, Harry Mack. I don't know who Harry Mack is. Yeah. (38:03 - 38:08) Oh, yeah. I'm watching a seven minute freestyle smiling E to E the whole time. Like, it's just incredible to fucking witness. (38:08 - 38:11) Totally. Yeah. And it's cool to see people's responses. (38:11 - 38:15) And sometimes I go, are you serious? That's your response to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same, man. (38:15 - 38:17) Same. I'm like, bro, come on. Come on. (38:17 - 38:23) Give the man some props. Like people just sitting there like people just sitting there like, OK, I guess this is a thing someone does. Yeah. (38:24 - 38:33) Yeah. But that's because they don't know how to respond. They're not in touch with the part of themselves that can be open and then that can be expressive and that can show genuine excitement, you know, like, yeah. (38:34 - 39:00) Yeah. And for a lot of people, too, like forget just Harry Mack, like they don't if they're not content with who they are or they're dealing with some deep shit that they can't genuinely be happy for someone like, man, this is so amazing. This person is doing his thing like and instead of using it as inspiration to go, man, what is my thing? Like, how can I find that thing that I can put time and energy into? And like you said before, it just feels like play. (39:01 - 39:11) I'm doing it 10 hours a day and it feels like play. But instead of doing that, it's like, no, I can't sit with that, the feeling or even the pain, the pain of a life unlived. You're not able to sit with it. (39:11 - 39:46) And so you just go right into like judgment, attack, dismissal and ridicule, you know, and so it's like allow the discomfort and the pain of witnessing someone in their genius highlight back to you, man, what do I need to do next to get closer to that? It's not about becoming Harry Mack or whatever. It's like, what is my thing that I can do in the world? Whether it's like, you know what, I just want to garden all day or I want to create crafts and sell them on Etsy or, you know, I want to start a business or whatever, you know, what is that thing that you want to wake up to every morning and be excited about and do that thing? Yeah. That's so good. (39:46 - 40:06) Well, what's kind of been your experience, I guess, kind of like dealing with like haters on your personal growth journey? Wow. Haters have been a whole thing, especially back in the day, five, six years ago, I was mainly on YouTube and YouTube is a very different platform. There's a lot, you pour a lot more soul into each video. (40:06 - 40:19) You could say they're longer form. And so YouTube was, I remember one time even considering quitting because it was too heavy to deal with. But at the end of the day, it's just showing me my own shadows. (40:19 - 40:42) It's just showing me myself in this mirror of social media, you could say, because my whole life I've run around trying to get people's validation, running from this unworthiness wound, running from this programming that nothing I do is ever enough. And so, of course, social media, building a brand is only going to, you know, extrapolate that. It's shadow work on steroids. (40:42 - 40:50) And so it's been a beautiful dance with that. Oh, I post a post and it doesn't get the engagement. Oh, fuck. (40:50 - 40:54) Now everybody's rejecting me. My brand's crumbling. I've lost the spark. (40:55 - 41:05) It's falling apart. It's like, fuck. And also when you're at the same time too building a business off the back of your social media too, it holds even more weight. (41:05 - 41:11) And so it's been a whole process, man. It's been a whole process. But now this is at the core of a lot of what I teach. (41:11 - 41:50) Personal branding is one of the fastest pathways to aligning with your own soul's blueprint, because all the shadows, all the shit, all the muck that you've accumulated in your life that's holding you back from living in alignment with your truth will be shown to you as you express yourself, as you show up as your authentic self. And so it's one of the greatest tools that we've been given by God in this time. And it's also how I believe that we can create mass change on a global level, is through people showing up and changing social media, Instagram from being a platform of programming to being a platform of revolution, where there's authenticity as the baseline. (41:51 - 41:58) And you just see how people are living their full lives. That would be fucking awesome. And there's a lot of people out there that are doing this stuff. (41:59 - 42:20) And so if you're not inspired by Instagram, you're following the wrong people. Yeah. It is an incredible vehicle for personal development is to be brave up and show up in full authenticity on social media, and actually commit to try to build something and to use it as a vessel for genuine creativity and inspiration. (42:21 - 42:26) And you're right, man. So much comes up in that process and on that journey. So much vulnerability. (42:26 - 42:43) And like you mentioned, some posts, they get the likes, dealing with the rejection, feeling like you've lost the spot. I've dealt with all that myself as well, man. But there's been so much evolutionary juice in there for me as well, committing to that process. (42:44 - 42:53) There's so much juice. And truth be told, every single one of us, we're fucked up. We're fucked up on some level. (42:53 - 43:03) We all grew up in this modern world where certain words were okay when you were young, and then you can't say a faggot anymore. That's now socially not acceptable. But 15 years ago on Twitter, you could say faggot. (43:03 - 43:15) Nobody gave a shit. 10 years ago, PewDiePie made a video on YouTube where he paid some Indian kid to hold up a sign, and on the sign, he had painted death to all Jews. That was a joke PewDiePie made. (43:15 - 43:21) He had like 20 million subscribers. And he got some shit for it. But back then, it was a joke. (43:21 - 43:37) And it was kind of just funny. It was just what it is. And now today, cancel culture has poisoned society on such a deep level that people are terrified to be themselves because their true selves right now with their egos complexities is a little bit fucked up. (43:38 - 43:45) I like to call shit gay because some things are just gay. Now, I've got gay friends. It doesn't mean I hate gay people, but some things are just fucking gay. (43:45 - 44:10) And if we can't say that, it's like, what the fuck are we doing? We all have these distortions. The only way to support somebody through their distortions is to love them. That's one thing that Norway got really right with the prison system is actually provide a proper prison where prisoners can heal instead of just being fucking rejected further by the system, creating more pain and suffering, making them want to rebel again when they leave prison. (44:10 - 44:25) That's the wrong approach. Cancel culture is the wrong approach. And so if we can show up on social media and also accept our own shadows, like a lot of the shit that I that I post and say, I know it might hurt some people, they might offend some people. (44:26 - 44:32) And that is OK, because I'm not perfect. I'm not Jesus. I'm not going to pretend to be Jesus right now. (44:32 - 44:38) I'm not of that level of awareness. There's still some fucked up shit within me. And I'm just going to rather be honest about that. (44:38 - 44:52) And then people can receive that as they want. But if we all do that, it's going to everybody's just going to be able to relax into their lives because there's not this pressure to perform and reject ourselves. There's so much walking in eggshells, man. (44:52 - 45:03) Yeah, and even like being a man. Obviously, I'm married. I'm not in the dating world, but like with everything going on around masculinity and me to movement, cancel culture like like dating. (45:03 - 45:20) It's like I can't imagine what it's like dating now sometimes because it's like, you know, as a man, like, you know, you want to like flirt. You want to crack a joke. You want to like and it's like, wait, is this the right thing? And am I going to be outed as like some toxic male? And, you know, am I going to be accused of rape because I said so? I mean, you know, and I get it. (45:20 - 45:36) There's a fine line like I get things evolve and grow like you can have maturity and you can respect people. And yet like we can't lose the juice and the fun and the silliness and the craziness and the wackiness. And like if you're constantly being triggered by words and language like that's shit you need to figure out. (45:36 - 45:44) Yeah, you got bigger problems than the person who's saying the words. And my absolutely, absolutely. And your triggers are your treasure. (45:44 - 45:57) If you're triggered by somebody saying some bad shit, it's only triggering to you because a part of you resonate with that. A part of you agree. It's only a wound that you have that's there from before that's now being poked by the trigger. (45:58 - 46:03) It's not like somebody's fucking you up from the beginning. No, you're already fucked up. And that's the only way that you can get triggered. (46:03 - 46:24) And so by looking at that trigger and going, huh, what am I rejecting within myself? That's where the juice is. And even if you see somebody like Harry Mack, who's fantastic at freestyling and you're triggered by him and you judge him, that's probably because within you is this desire to be a really good freestyler too. And so you're offended that he's so good when you should be that good. (46:24 - 46:32) It's only an invitation to lean into a part of yourself that you haven't really looked at yet. I feel you, bro. Yeah. (46:33 - 46:56) I mean, every single aspect of our lives, every relationship, every conversation is an invitation to be more real and to become more whole. And to me, that's the most beautiful life possible when we can be consciously attuned to using everything as fertile soil for more growth. Every day in a million ways provide circumstances for me to evolve. (46:57 - 47:05) And what greater gift is there? Than that. Yeah. I also want to highlight too, because I know we're all fired up and stuff. (47:05 - 47:17) Like back to what I said before, it's about discernment. Okay? There's a time and a place to like call people gay and crack jokes and say some shit. And there's a time and place maybe that isn't the time to say a certain thing. (47:18 - 47:29) You know? So like being authentic isn't just being hijacked by like one part of you and being that way all the time. Stop being gay, bro. You know what I mean? That's just my view. (47:31 - 47:44) We're dynamic, complex human beings. And so like, do we use that complexity and the dynamism to read a room, read a situation? Who are you with? And understanding the best way to communicate. Like there's things that I say with some of my close homies. (47:44 - 47:54) Like, you know, I'm not going to say that in every single environment that I'm in. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And this is also where just genuine compassion comes into the picture. (47:54 - 48:06) If you give a shit, like, okay, maybe talking about the demonic agenda around a family dinner isn't the best way of serving your mom. She's just not ready for that awakening. And she's just now in fucking pain because the world's fucked. (48:06 - 48:16) It's like, no, that's not it. And so it's just, yeah, social awareness and compassion. Do you care? Where is it coming from? That's what actually matters. (48:16 - 48:23) I agree. Yeah, totally. You know, talk to my mom about that was not a good idea. (48:23 - 48:35) Afterwards, I was like, fuck. I was totally hijacked by my own, like, oh, but I want to tell her. But it's like... Yeah, but that's a natural part, I think, of the awakening journey. (48:35 - 49:10) And obviously, well, that looks differently in so many different ways. But like when we come across new information or a new book, or like we go down some rabbit hole and we're like, everyone I deeply care about has to know this shit, you know? And then it's like, why aren't you as interested in this stuff as I am, you know? And at some point, you realize like, I'm going to do me. I'm going to let someone do them, you know? And if they're curious, they might reach out, you know? When you play that role of highlighting to other people, you know, some pitfalls or some things that they might be seeing, then you become a key source to become attacked. (49:11 - 49:26) Because you're bringing up all those wounds. You're bringing up all those triggers, right? And that was a key part in my life with my family journey and, you know, trying to point out some things that I thought were less than ideal. And I thought it was my sacred duty. (49:26 - 49:39) I thought it was my sacred duty to bring this truth to my people, you know? And then it felt like my people lashed me a thousand times for bringing truth and for bringing right through. But then I kind of left the situation. I withdrew. (49:40 - 49:49) And like that truth became obvious in my absence. And it kind of crumbled in on itself as a result of me being like, all right, fine. You know, I won't give you what to offer. (49:49 - 50:08) And then your people come back to you. Your people come back to you and they ask you for advice and they share with you what's going on and they want your inputs. It's just an interesting dynamic out when you like kind of step away a little bit, you know, like God, universe, like the truth has- the truth ultimately has to come forth eventually, you know? Anyway. (50:08 - 50:18) And also the person doing the communicating and like the trying to convince, like is that coming from a place of control too? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I need to control you. I need to control what you think and what you believe. (50:18 - 50:20) Yes. Yes. That's so good. (50:20 - 50:27) I know that's been a big thing for me. It's like, I just need people to fucking see things the way I see them. Same here, bro. (50:27 - 50:48) Same here. When you're on this path and you see what's happening in the world and you read books, you expose yourself to things outside of the mainstream media and you're like, damn, this is wild, you know? But also like it causes extra stress for you, like going around preaching to everyone. Why isn't everyone listening to me? It's like, man, I share what I share. (50:48 - 50:56) Great. But I'm trying to live my life and have peace and harmony and enjoy my life with my wife and my work with Joel. I'm not here to convince everyone. (50:57 - 51:07) I'm not here to wake people, every single person up, you know? That's just not my duty. Absolutely. Yeah. (51:08 - 51:26) Hey, man, talk to us a little bit more about your kind of, I guess, your initial 2019 experience with your mushroom journey and kind of what that was like for you. And I guess what kind of role you feel that played in, you know, a greater awakening process for yourself. Good question. (51:26 - 51:41) It was a beautiful setting in the north of the island of Ibiza. There's a whole facilitated space. I don't recommend anyone just, you know, gumming down a bunch of mushrooms and then running off into the forest. (51:41 - 51:56) You're opening the door. You're opening the door to other realms. And if you're not being conscious of how you do these things, you could have a lot of dark entities and energies easily latch onto you by not being protective and conscious of how you do it. (51:56 - 52:04) So that's the first thing that I will say. But yeah, we were in a very, you know, protected, proper space. It was a ceremonial thing. (52:04 - 52:22) There was 14 people, three facilitators. My experience was pretty gnarly. I remember seeing just a lot of weird visions, but the thing that just kept stuck in my consciousness and as I was there was like, it's just I've got to get closer to nature. (52:22 - 52:28) I've got to get closer to nature. I've got to get closer to nature. So I actually ended up like we were laying on these mattresses. (52:28 - 52:38) I ended up like going off that mattress and just laying on the brick floor outside. It was just closer to nature. I'm still not on earth, but it's closer. (52:38 - 52:49) And so I actually ended up like passed out on the brick floor for like two hours. And I just felt like I was the brick floor. And when I came home, that was my mantra that became my affirmation. (52:49 - 52:55) I just got to get closer to nature. I got to be more around nature. I started buying more plants in my room. (52:55 - 53:09) I would be more committed to bringing the boys hiking every summer. It was fall when I came home, just spending more time outside. And I knew that that would also remind me of the way of being that I've tuned into. (53:10 - 53:24) The slower pace, the slower moving motion was the thing that I was looking for. And nature was my way to remember and understand that on an unconscious level. I didn't have these dots as well connected as I have now. (53:25 - 53:34) But you look at nature, it's slow, it's chill, it's taking a time. And the tree is going to get as big as it can possibly get. It's going to soak up all the nutrition. (53:34 - 53:49) It's going to take in all the sun, but it's not rushing anything. But it will always become the fullness of its potential, given the environment it's raised and grown in. And that to me was like, wow, yeah. (53:51 - 53:55) Yeah, I feel you there, man. I love that. And I resonated with it so much. (53:55 - 54:11) It's like your highest potential doesn't require you to be rushed. It doesn't require you to exert unnecessary force beyond what you're being called to in existing time. And you're going to get there. (54:11 - 54:28) You're going to get there by genuinely understanding and moving into alignment with the flow that is present. I feel that more and more these days, for sure. The greatest tip for success is to find alignment with your soul before you take any action. (54:28 - 54:36) Process your shit first and then move. Throughout the day, there's so much stuff coming up in ourselves. And we're working and working and working. (54:36 - 54:49) It's so easy to use work as a way of bypassing the feelings of lack, of unworthiness. So we tick more boxes because we're overriding that feeling of I'm not enough. But before you do anything, actually sit with that and process that. (54:49 - 54:57) That might take you 30 minutes. That might take you two hours. But that is going to propel you so much further than just operating off of doing all the time. (54:57 - 55:12) Process your shit and then move into action. And that action will be so aligned and it will propel you exactly where you're meant to be. Yeah, and some people can get trapped in not acting and just thinking there's more to process. (55:13 - 55:18) There's more inner work to be done. And they never actually act. So nothing new actually comes up to be processed. (55:18 - 55:29) It's also in that process of taking a new action, more stuff is going to be mobilized for you to deal with as well. So it's that delicate balance. It is a delicate balance. (55:29 - 55:37) Absolutely. It is a really, really delicate balance. And it's for us to find that balance, that dance within ourselves. (55:38 - 55:48) Hey Thor, I want to get into a subject that I think is important for men. Obviously, you talked earlier about doing things to receive validation and things like that. You're a handsome guy. (55:48 - 56:20) I'm curious for you to talk about your relationship to women and some of the programming that we get as men growing up or exposure to pornography. And what has been your journey when it comes to navigating that aspect of your life? My relationship to women since growing up has been distorted significantly as it is for most of us, especially growing up in the age of the digital world. I started watching porn at 14. (56:20 - 56:36) And so two years ago, I was like, I've been watching porn for a decade. And that's when I decided that I need to quit. And still to this day, there's this still fucking urge to like, oh shit, but I just want to watch something. (56:36 - 56:55) It's like it's so deeply embedded into my psyche and leaning into my first relationship since the last six months. So much of that has become clear to me. So much has been put into my awareness, how deeply distorted I have perspectives on women. (56:55 - 57:08) It's interesting, like most women or all women don't spawn on this planet with clean legs with no hair on their legs and their pussy. No, it's there. That's God's design. (57:09 - 57:18) And we're so disgusted by women having hair. Like it is disgusting to me, a woman having hairy armpits. That's how I was programmed. (57:18 - 57:27) That's how I was conditioned. But that's not actually the divine truth. And so it's all of these things have been arising in my awareness. (57:27 - 57:47) And it's been very clear how deeply fucked up my psyche has gotten through this modern world. And it's been a process of leaning into that with myself. Because when this woman that I'm dating right now, we're in a relationship, she's been pointing these things out to me. (57:47 - 57:59) There's so much resistance in me. There's so much resistance to even acknowledging these things. And a part of me wants her to, you could say, cave or bend to my desires and distortions. (57:59 - 58:18) And there's a balance there naturally. Like if I'm only going to be attracted to her for the time being as I'm in my distortions, because this is where I am. If her shaving her legs is going to sort of give me some runway to build some momentum until I can accept unshaved legs, there's a balance there. (58:18 - 58:35) And that's something that's important for a lot of women to understand too. If you run around and you don't shave anything, you're going to have a harder time attracting your soulmate, the man that wants you, because he's dealing with his own distortions. So there's compassion to be deployed across the board here. (58:36 - 58:50) And it is fascinating how much of my power is gridlocked in my sexual energy center. And for all men, our creative life force is that sexual energy. I mean, we're putting babies into women. (58:50 - 59:06) It's the code of creation that is within your sacral energy center, within your sperm. And so by wasting that, you're wasting your life force. If you want to manifest a better life, if you want to have more creative genius come online, tap into that sexual life force. (59:07 - 59:24) Now, what's blocking that sexual life force from flowing? It's guilt and shame. All of that sexual shame that you got exposed to in your childhood. If you're really, really, really uncomfortable with the idea of another guy looking at you completely naked and just straight up looking at your dick, oh, that sounds gay, Thor. (59:24 - 59:44) Yeah, you could argue that's a little bit gay. But if that is just such a contracting thing to your entire system, you have a fuck ton of sexual distortions that is prohibiting you from tapping into your power, your potential. And so for me, processing my shame, processing my sexual distortions have been such a fucking weird thing to do, man. (59:44 - 59:55) I'm like standing around and I'm like moving my hips in these weird ways. And I'm feeling so feminine, so not masculine, so not like Thor. I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? But we have to lean into that. (59:55 - 1:00:04) And for a lot of men, it is our biggest shadow. It is our biggest insecurity. That's why so many men have so much stiffness and tight muscles around that area. (1:00:04 - 1:00:19) It's because we're storing so much stuck energy. But that's the work. Do you think more men's circles need to stand around naked staring at each other's dicks? I thought we should have recorded this podcast but naked, man. (1:00:19 - 1:00:32) That would have been the way. That would have been the way. Well, part two, man, part two down the road, okay? But no, man, thank you for saying all that and I appreciate it. (1:00:32 - 1:00:51) You hit the nail on the head in terms of all that stuck energy in the lower chakras. I guess I came of age in the VHS age. So even then, watching your first porn on VHS, I don't know, 11, 12, 13 years old. (1:00:51 - 1:00:56) It has an impact, man. And then you think about your lineage too, where you come from. I come from Greece. (1:00:57 - 1:01:04) I come from a lineage, I feel, of womanizers and who knows what. There's things you have to navigate. All the porn that you're seeing, all the modern world. (1:01:04 - 1:01:15) What are you laughing at, Joel? He's coming out of your labyrinth. Womanizers and donkey-izers. And donkey-izers probably up in the village, who knows? But these are things we have to do, man. (1:01:15 - 1:01:34) And I love these conversations because it's like, we're on the path, man. We may have achieved a certain level in life or grown in certain ways, but this core shit, man, it's something that men don't want to talk about, they don't want to acknowledge or they want to pretend like, oh, I've figured it all out. We see it all the time, people who project this image of perfection. (1:01:34 - 1:01:49) And then you find out there's some fucking not ideal behavior that's going on behind the scenes with women in that regards. And so, yeah, man, I mean, I've just recently started. I mean, I come from the world of body work and trauma work and things like that. (1:01:49 - 1:01:57) And I just found the most incredible body worker. And I've had so much body work in my life. And she doesn't fuck around. (1:01:57 - 1:02:13) She's got her elbows on my pubic bone, like the most excruciating pain ever. And I'm like fucking yelling. And I have to be honest, man, some of the mental noise, some of the stuff that I've grappled with has toned down like 60, 70 percent. (1:02:14 - 1:02:21) And I have a beautiful relationship with my wife. We've been together 10 years, six years marriage, married. But some of this patterning has been there. (1:02:21 - 1:02:43) And I feel like in the last couple of months, I feel so much more grounded, so much more present because it's like you're doing that work to break down some of this extreme tension and patterning within the body that's been there, especially when you talk about like the trauma of circumcision and things that happen, you know, in our culture. Like, what does that do? Like, you're welcome to earth. And it's like, hold on, let me just totally traumatize you in that in that way. (1:02:44 - 1:02:59) You know, so anyways, that's a whole another conversation to go down. But but man, like it's important, man, like we have to as men, we have to be able to kind of gain hold and understand the sexual energy as opposed to having it hijack, hijack. And I've been there, man. (1:02:59 - 1:03:08) I mean, it's like you watch porn for 10, 15 plus years like that programs, you man programs. And it's like there's work that needs to be done. And there's no shame in admitting it. (1:03:09 - 1:03:13) You know, it's like you said earlier, we're fucked up, bro. We all have our stuff. Yeah. (1:03:13 - 1:03:30) And it's also the greatest act of service and respect you can show your woman is to lean into that, is to work through that. Because women and a lot of women that are on this path, they have that's the first bit of work they do, because it's so present for them. It's so big for them. (1:03:30 - 1:03:44) Women and their shame around sexuality is the most crippling thing they experience. So it oftentimes is the first thing they lean into. And so their capacity to move in alignment with that energy and feel is is huge. (1:03:44 - 1:03:57) And so for us men to not be able to meet them where they are the most connected with themselves is sad. It's like you're in this relationship and you can only meet 20% of your women. Like that's just sad. (1:03:57 - 1:04:11) And that's not a fair thing to do to them just because you're afraid or you call yourself a man and masculine, but you're afraid to leave and lean into that. That's actually not true masculinity. That's some some boyish distorted version of masculinity. (1:04:11 - 1:04:19) As Carl Jung would talk about, it's the boy psychology at play. Yeah. I think the right woman and a good woman is going to call you out and call you forward. (1:04:19 - 1:04:30) It's going to rattle you and it's going to trigger you and you're going to want to run and you're going to want to end things and you're going to want to go slower. But that's the invitation to really step up. Yes. (1:04:30 - 1:04:32) Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. (1:04:32 - 1:04:39) And that's the purpose of a queen. She's here to keep the king in check. Chess has got that right. (1:04:40 - 1:04:57) The queen is here to keep the king in check and also to connect him with his divinity and support him in leading the kingdom from a space of divine truth. And then it's his responsibility to bring it into the physical and lead with that masculine structure. But the feminine are absolutely key in our evolution as men. (1:04:57 - 1:05:19) And also at the right time, you know, getting into a relationship when you're 17, 18 for five years, that's a dumb move because you don't even know who the fuck you are and you just become codependent and attached. But later down the line, as you have more clarity in yourself and who you are, like these are our greatest, you know, it's the greatest ceremony being in a relationship. Absolutely, man. (1:05:19 - 1:05:32) Like the majority of my self-development work has come through the mirror, like of my wife, like a hundred percent, man. And every single time has come up, like there's resistance in the beginning. Like that's not me. (1:05:32 - 1:05:42) That's not part of, you know, my backstory, et cetera, et cetera. And over time, man, she's fucking edges away, you know, with that chip and that hammer. And it's like, holy shit. (1:05:42 - 1:05:45) It's like you were fucking right. You know? Yeah. Yeah. (1:05:46 - 1:06:07) Laura, what's the ultimate vision for you? Like in terms of what you want, what you want to do, what you want your life to look like? Wow. Good question. The ultimate vision, bringing what is my current day life into the physical. (1:06:07 - 1:06:12) That is my ultimate vision. I love my work. I love my team. (1:06:12 - 1:06:19) It's just a family across the board. I love my community. It's radical authenticity. (1:06:20 - 1:06:36) And so bringing that to a physical location is the ultimate, ultimate vision. Essentially creating a template for how society can be built, for how communities can be co-created. A new template for how we live together in harmony. (1:06:37 - 1:06:46) And then essentially putting that template on blast. Like my whole shtick is being the guy with the microphone and talk the loudest. That's what I'm here to do. (1:06:46 - 1:06:58) To just bring the fire and throw the rocks and lead in that way from a place of love and care. But to shake shit up in this world, we need to be a little bit aggressive. We need to harness that inner killer energy. (1:07:00 - 1:07:21) But yeah, essentially build new earth communities and expand that across the globe and show people that it's possible. It is possible to be in 100% complete alignment with yourself. There's possible to be around people that are not going to use your insecurities and shadows against you, but where radical authenticity and genuine care is real. (1:07:21 - 1:07:36) And build societies where we're not relying on the old world structure, where money is not used in the same way. Education is not done in the same way. It's this sacred sanctuary of just play and evolution. (1:07:36 - 1:07:49) Growing our own foods and having a fucking dirt bike track on the land and the trampoline park and a gym, of course, and a music studio. The kid in me wants to play. And that's really what business taught me. (1:07:49 - 1:07:57) It was like, yo, for me to play more, I just got to make a fucking bunch of money and meet a bunch of people. That's how I play more. Okay, cool. (1:07:58 - 1:08:24) So now it's like just taking that a step further and really building my own heaven on earth, which is just the biggest playground possible, and showing other people how to do that. And also, I will add to that, really, really, really shake up the social media space. The project that we're working on right now is we're calling it the New Earth Network. (1:08:25 - 1:08:58) And essentially, we're teaching people how to build faceless Instagram and social media pages where they blast truth. And the goal is to build 1,000 of these pages, to have 100,000 followers across 1,000 pages, individuals that are in the network. We teach people how to monetize these accounts, promoting new earth products, ushering in a new way of monetization on the platform where we actually sell shit that is beneficial to our human evolution and growth instead of shit that's killing the planet, like drop shipping garbage from China. (1:08:58 - 1:09:05) That's a horrible business model. And sure, you can make a lot of cash quick with it. But it's absolutely brain rotting and killing the next generation. (1:09:05 - 1:09:18) So it's inspiring a new wave of conscious monetization. You could say conscious marketing. And also, with this network, 1,000 people with 100,000 followers, that's 100 million followers combined. (1:09:18 - 1:09:30) And a network like that will have a monthly reach of a billion. And so we can literally reach 10% of the fucking planet on a monthly basis in this network. And so imagine we all come together and we decide to push one thing for a week. (1:09:30 - 1:09:42) Now we're literally sending a tsunami across the platform of Instagram, for example. And all the other influencers will pick up on this thing because everybody's posting about this thing. And that's how you can influence global politics. (1:09:42 - 1:09:50) Really, really shake some shit up in the world. And that's what I'm excited about. Just stirring things up the most. (1:09:52 - 1:10:12) Fuck yeah, bro. I love the passion. I love you taking the information and knowledge that you started off with in terms of marketing that as you've evolved and as you've grown, how can you take these skills and technology and marketing and social media to have greater impact? Yeah, it's pretty cool. (1:10:13 - 1:10:39) I'm excited to get into that too. Sorry for Joe. How do you separate in your process the motivation for money from the motivation for deeper purpose? How do you grapple with that in your personal process? I have experienced both sides of the spectrum, I could say. (1:10:39 - 1:10:47) I've experienced like, fuck, I'm abundant. I'm balling out. I'm living my dream life, spending 10 grand at the club in Ibiza with... It's funny. (1:10:47 - 1:10:58) My mushroom trip was a week after we spent 10 grand in a club in Ibiza for five days, just partying like crazy. And so I've done that. I've seen that it isn't the way. (1:10:58 - 1:11:03) I've been in rooms with billionaires. I've seen that that's not the way. I've had the abundance. (1:11:03 - 1:11:21) I've also been broke. There's been times in Mexico where there's no money left and the company counts and me and my business partner did not know where we're going to sleep the next day. And so, yeah, through the dance of the extremes, there isn't really this struggle for balance anymore. (1:11:22 - 1:11:26) I just see it for what it is. Money is just a tool for expansion. It's just an energy. (1:11:27 - 1:11:37) Before money was a thing in physical currency, it was still here. But we were just engaging with that frequency, that energy of exchange in other ways. And that's really what it's all about. (1:11:37 - 1:11:42) It's like nature. It's just flowing and moving and expanding always. It's infinitely abundant. (1:11:43 - 1:11:58) And so I don't believe that... I believe that me just leaning into my divine nature will give me all the abundance that I'm meant to have. And that is enough for me. Because I know that living aligned with my soul's blueprint will be the happiest life that I can have. (1:11:59 - 1:12:14) So the money I have in my bank account will not matter at that point. If I'm meant to travel the world and do big fucking shit, I will have the money that I need to do that. And I know that for a fact because God did not make any mistakes in the way that he programmed me, how he programmed you, how he programmed all of us. (1:12:15 - 1:12:19) Trust. It's really what it is. I love that, man. (1:12:19 - 1:12:23) You're right, dude. It's just a force. It's just a force. (1:12:23 - 1:12:46) They're just flowing like the waves, man, in and out. And the more that we constrict around it, the more that we hold on tight, the more that we think it's going to run out or it's not going to come back, the more that's going to be the case. Yeah, but the more that I found that I can lean into the flow and be just as conscious in releasing money as I am in receiving money, then that just kind of compounds. (1:12:47 - 1:13:01) Absolutely. And it's so fascinating because my whole life, and you guys will resonate with this too as entrepreneurs, it's very much programmed in the entrepreneur's psyche to control shit and take ownership. And I am the movement maker. (1:13:01 - 1:13:15) I am the sole pillar for success being created. And oftentimes, if you're building a team, now you're the CEO, but you're also the daddy, the babysitter. You got to finger up everybody's ass and people need to do things the way that you think that role should be done. (1:13:16 - 1:13:36) And now you're stifling their energetic flow, their movement, and you're also wasting your own fucking time and energy. And for me, I've realized that the biggest thing holding us back in the company for our next expansion is for me to let go and let my team and their zones of genius just do what the fuck they're here to do. They're not going to do it the way I would do it. (1:13:36 - 1:13:45) And that is the whole point. And that's been such a point of like, ah, but I would do it better than this. And it's just coming back to trust. (1:13:46 - 1:13:50) I can't be micromanaging 50 people. That's ridiculous. It's impossible. (1:13:51 - 1:13:57) And so clearly, that's a path of unhappiness. Clearly, I'm not supposed to be happy. Like, that doesn't make sense. (1:13:57 - 1:14:04) We're here to be happy. We're here to play and have fun. And so, OK, then actually, the next play then is to let go of control. (1:14:04 - 1:14:21) And that has been my biggest struggle, my biggest, biggest struggle. But it's also, oh, man, it's been so beautiful, like even today and like the last week. But today, I've spent the whole day just spent the whole day, five hours trying to get a new computer set up with my monitor set up here. (1:14:21 - 1:14:27) I was going to buy a Mac, but Mac doesn't allow you to work with certain monitor screens. So I had to switch again. But I didn't. (1:14:27 - 1:14:33) I haven't done anything except check a few messages from the team and whatnot. And the ball is rolling. You know, deals are happening. (1:14:33 - 1:14:48) And I'm like, wow, it can really be that peaceful and blissful, energetic. You know, the energy is real. If I'm constantly thinking about what my team members need to do, they're energetically being impacted by Thor thinking about them. (1:14:48 - 1:15:06) And they're not able to fully lean in and flow and trust their own genius because Thor's overwatching, Thor's like, you know, watching me behind the scenes. And so, yeah, this is this is where the whole dance of energetics and doing the spiritual work is also helping the business grow. And that's the work that I'm here to do. (1:15:07 - 1:15:17) And it's challenging, but it's really, really, really fucking rewarding. Thor's your real name, right? Yeah. Like, that holds a power. (1:15:17 - 1:15:29) Like, you kind of have to be badass. Like, if you're Thor and you're not a badass, like something went off somewhere. Well, I mean, there's definitely energetics to one's name as well. (1:15:29 - 1:15:33) There is. Yeah, there is. Yeah, that's a whole other thing. (1:15:33 - 1:15:40) Energetics to every single word. There's a lot of power. I'm actually curious your thoughts on that because you got kids. (1:15:40 - 1:15:52) Did you take that into consideration when naming your kids? My kids name themselves, man. Oh. Genuinely, like in that process of just being open to receiving what the name is. (1:15:52 - 1:15:58) Like, it becomes very obvious what their names are. And I can clearly say- Oh, yeah. I love that. (1:15:58 - 1:16:11) That is so good. I feel I know very definitively that they name themselves. Like, by the time they were born, it became obvious that there was no other name except for this name, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. (1:16:11 - 1:16:24) The spirit has put it into the field and you pick up on those signals and there it is. Yeah, that's our job as parents, I think, for sure. My third child had a very unique experience. (1:16:24 - 1:16:39) Like, she started visiting my wife as a spirit saying, I want to come. Are you guys ready? You know, as a third child and she showed my wife colors. She showed my wife certain clues about her name. (1:16:40 - 1:16:48) She even moved us to where we are now. Like, yeah, we moved where we are now because she wanted to be born in this certain place. We feel very, very clear about that. (1:16:48 - 1:16:54) Yeah, I got full body chills, man. And she's so stoked. She's so happy. (1:16:54 - 1:16:58) She got everything she wanted. She got the birth she wanted. A completely free birth here in Mexico. (1:16:58 - 1:17:04) No daughter, no midwife. Just her sisters and me. And it's been nothing but bliss, man. (1:17:04 - 1:17:11) When you tap into that and you trust that and you let that lead the way. That is so profound, man. Kudos to you, bro. (1:17:11 - 1:17:14) That is so beautiful. Thank you, bro. Thank you, man. (1:17:17 - 1:17:38) Yeah, like it's trust, man. That's just so pivotal. You know, trust in God, trust in spirit, trust that by me genuinely honoring my real desires, my real passions, my real innate, like where my intuition is leading me that I'm not going to be led astray. (1:17:39 - 1:17:53) And the work is to move through the scarcity, move through the fear, move through the uncertainty that comes up when you decide to trust and to commit to that path. But it's always more beautiful than you can ever possibly imagine. Absolutely. (1:17:54 - 1:18:04) As you look at nature itself, like you got no broke ants, no broke bees, no broke rabbits, no broke deer. They're all abundant and they're trusting and living life moment to moment. Yeah. (1:18:04 - 1:18:12) Something there. Yeah, absolutely, man. What a trip this fucking human experience is. (1:18:12 - 1:18:44) Hey, like I always come back to it where it's like, what the fuck are we even doing? Like, what is this experience we're having now? Like as an animated life force in this earthly realm, in its flesh, interacting with each other, it's like the primordial question of why and who the fuck am I is like, it just evokes so much reverence for the mystery, you know? And it's so important to stay in touch with that, I think. Yeah. And even like if we were born 50 years ago, we probably wouldn't know each other. (1:18:44 - 1:18:51) We probably wouldn't have met, you know, like this is where like technology comes into play. And it's like, yeah, sure. There's elements about technology to be concerned about. (1:18:52 - 1:19:03) And yet I fucking love it, man. I've been able to connect with the most amazing, beautiful people all around the world because of this, because of modernization to some degree. So it's like you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater either. (1:19:03 - 1:19:12) Yeah, it's the balance. It's the dance again. Like there's clearly a more difficult dance to dance in this time that we're living in. (1:19:12 - 1:19:33) I mean, we're living in the time of Ragnarok, of fucking Rapture, of the end of the world as we know it. It's happening in like, wake up, look at what's going on outside yourself, how people are living, certain places in the world, like shit's going down. And also being alive at this time, it is like you said, it's such a fucking trip, man. (1:19:33 - 1:19:39) And we chose to be here. We chose to play in this time. And it is the greatest blessing. (1:19:39 - 1:19:51) They say there's some spiritual channeled works that talk about how being on planet Earth in this time is the greatest cosmic flex ever. Yeah. And I could see that. (1:19:51 - 1:19:54) I could see it. Let's go. Let's fucking go. (1:19:56 - 1:20:03) My body felt the truth of that as you said it. You know, there's just this fucking goosebumps, this resonance. And like, I feel that. (1:20:03 - 1:20:13) I feel that completely, man. I feel like all the dopest people are fucking here right now doing the work that's meant to be done, you know, holding that space. Absolutely. (1:20:14 - 1:20:27) Absolutely. Yeah. Man, I mean, just what an honor to share this conversation and to know that there's people like you out there holding it down, doing your thing, living on purpose, inspiring others. (1:20:28 - 1:20:31) It's been an honor, man. Thank you. Thank you for having me. (1:20:31 - 1:20:43) Thank you for leaning in and coordinating with Jamie as well to make this happen. It was such a, yeah, such a easeful experience. I saw that you guys interviewed Aizen as well and Aaron Abkey, some of my favorite people out there. (1:20:43 - 1:20:45) Yeah, the homies, bro. Yeah. Yeah. (1:20:45 - 1:20:59) It's so beautiful, like, bringing the world, connecting the world together. And for me too, just hopping on here, it's like, dude, what else would I be doing in this Wednesday evening? Like, I'd rather just talk to dope people about dope shit that I'm passionate about. Like, this is life now. (1:20:59 - 1:21:04) And yeah, it gets to be this fun. It truly, truly does. Yeah, man. (1:21:04 - 1:21:20) That's the cool thing about, you know, having a platform or a podcast. It's like, let's just say, like, we were in your hometown and we're like, oh, let's just go out and have, like, a cup of tea or get a good meal, you know? Like, we're just doing that now. And then this conversation can go out to thousands of people and, you know, impact people. (1:21:20 - 1:21:30) So, like, I love it, man. I'm super grateful. And also, it's another lesson in terms of a lot of people are hesitant just to reach out to people. (1:21:31 - 1:21:40) Yeah. Oh, like Joel reaching out to me or even me reaching out to a mentor of mine, which got me on the podcast that Joel saw. And here we are. (1:21:40 - 1:21:55) And it's like, I just happened to come across one reel or someone sent me a reel. I'm like, oh, I'm going to send this guy a message, you know? And it's like, we're on social media. We see our messages very often, unless we have someone 100% controlling our social media. (1:21:55 - 1:22:04) And it's like, cool. Like, do these people resonate with me? Do they not? Like, let's have a chat. And so, again, it's like a message to everyone. (1:22:04 - 1:22:13) It's a message to everyone out there. If you feel this impulse, you talk about authenticity, send a message, send an email. What's the worst that's going to happen? You're not going to get a response. (1:22:14 - 1:22:21) Oh, boo, cry in the corner, you know? Like, just move on with life. But if you don't do anything, if you don't take a risk, then nothing's going to happen. Yeah. (1:22:22 - 1:22:27) Yeah. And it's all just intuition led as well. Like, you feel that call to send the message, send the message. (1:22:27 - 1:22:33) That person is going to see the message. And again, it's an intuitive thing. It's like, okay, yeah, I feel like I do want to respond to that. (1:22:33 - 1:22:45) I feel like I do want to jump on that podcast. And I think it's just such a beautiful way to kind of, you know, lead our lives when we genuinely have that self-trust in that guide, in that compass, in that inner authority to be like, let's go. This is the path. (1:22:46 - 1:22:53) That's it, man. I mean, I rarely check my messages because it's so much happening there. And some I check once a week, for example. (1:22:53 - 1:23:11) And like, that was the one time I checked and I saw your message and it was like, yo, shit, okay. And funnily enough, my executive assistant who coordinated this whole thing, he was also like the one guy that I checked the message from, he was working for this yacht company back then. And he invited me to join a yacht for free. (1:23:11 - 1:23:18) And I was like, oh, shit. It's like the one message I check this one time in this two-week span on Instagram. Like, you can't make this shit up. (1:23:19 - 1:23:21) You can't. No, you can't. That's dope, bro. (1:23:22 - 1:23:30) Hey, man, before we wrap this one up, do you have like a final message, parting message to our audience here? Yeah. Play. Play more. (1:23:30 - 1:23:39) Find more ways where you can just incorporate play into your life. It is what we came here to do. It is our highest truth is to play. (1:23:39 - 1:23:44) You embody love when you play. Our children are our greatest teachers. They're just playing. (1:23:44 - 1:23:49) They play all the time. And it's infectious to be around children. They're just full of life. (1:23:49 - 1:24:03) They're just full of love. And for all of us to step into our highest expansion, play is that gateway. That's why I tattooed play is the revolution on my chest, because it really is the revolution that the modern world today needs. (1:24:03 - 1:24:14) The more people that can play, the more we can remind each other of our divine nature, of our divine truth. Beautiful, man. Couldn't agree more, man. (1:24:16 - 1:24:27) Yeah. I mean, just how can our audience like get to know you more, find out what you're offering, support you? Thank you for asking. I'm really getting into my I've got like 300. (1:24:28 - 1:24:34) I've got 300k on Instagram. So you can find me on Instagram at Life by Thor. But I'm more excited in this moment about my YouTube channel. (1:24:34 - 1:24:40) I'm just starting a YouTube channel fresh. It's got like 300 subscribers. So it's going to post more long form content there. (1:24:40 - 1:24:45) So if you want to check out more of me, check out my YouTube channel. It's Life by Thor. Amazing, man. (1:24:46 - 1:24:48) Dude, thanks. Thanks for being here. 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