Danielle Paige Divination & Developing Intuition

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 2:08) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stelionesis. All right, everybody, welcome to episode 36 of Here for the Truth. Thank you all so much for listening. Welcome to our public audience. Thank you to our patrons. Your support is what keeps us going. We appreciate you guys so much. A few housekeeping notes before we get into today's guest. Our next community call is coming up on the 21st of October for our Aussies and the 20th in the US. So check your Patreon inboxes for that Zoom link which will come through. And again, the community call is available to our hero and philosopher tiers only. For all your divination, tarot, self-knowledge needs, head to joelrafiti.com. If you're after specific human design readings, shout out to Erasmus and we'd be more than happy to help you. And without further ado, today's guest, someone who I feel I'm a good friend of both of ours and such a pleasure to host her here today, Danielle Page. Danielle Page is an international spiritual teacher, soul astrologer, host of the Cosmic Body podcast and founder of Purposely Divine, School for Your Soul and Astrology Mystery School. She is a self-taught astrologer. She's been reading the stars for lifetimes. She continued her studies with some of the world's top astrologers. She then devoted herself to learning different types of healing to create her own style of spiritual medicine by fusing astrology, energetic healing and intuition. She's able to help her clients heal their wounds, clear old patterns and help them come back home to their heart. Danielle has given talks on mysticism and astrology all over the world, Mykonos, Glossier headquarters in NYC, Soho House. She's visited over 32 countries, bringing women together. And she's been on a bunch of pretty incredibly high profile platforms, Vogue Netherlands, groupastrology.com. Danielle, thank you for being here. And thank you for being here for the truth. [Speaker 1] (2:09 - 2:15) Thank you so much for having me. I love everything that you guys are doing and you guys are talking about. So it's an honor to be on here today. [Speaker 3] (2:16 - 2:23) Thank you so much. Really awesome having you. I'm so happy we connected recently. Yeah, it was a lot of fun for sure. [Speaker 1] (2:25 - 2:27) Through Holly. Thank you, Holly. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:27 - 2:45) Shout out, Holly. What up? I think just to start off too, like I'm so curious, might as well get into it. Like your major rites of passage, you know, your major rites of passage that led you to who you are and the platform that you have and the work that you're doing in the world. [Speaker 1] (2:46 - 6:35) Yeah. Very good question. Okay. So my story is long. I'm going to give you the abbreviated version. It's super intense. But I love sharing it because I really feel like this gives people a deeper understanding that anything is possible, that even if we didn't grow up having all these gifts and doing all these things, there's so much magic in us that's just waiting to come out in the right time. So I, you know, my whole life, I felt like I was very intuitive, but I didn't really exactly know that word. And it kind of stopped there. Okay. Like, you know, as I was growing up, nobody talked about this stuff. You know, I always kind of was able to sense what people were thinking, what they were feeling, but I kind of didn't really dive into it more. I just kind of knew, like, I remember in college, we'd be in places and then I'd be like, oh, no, those people aren't good. And they're like, well, how do you know? I'm like, oh, I know, I just know. Right. And then we just kind of wouldn't talk about it. But I just, that was always a part of my life, but I never explored it more. And then it wasn't until I turned 30, which if you know astrology, I was going through my Saturn return. Now, the irony of this is at 30, I didn't actually know astrology. So obviously my soul knew astrology, but Danielle in the 3D did not know astrology. So long story short, I was working in Boston at an interior architecture firm. I got my master's in interior architecture. It was a four and a half year program for just my master's degree. Super long, you know, kind of at the end, didn't really know if I wanted to do that, but I'm a tourist, so I stuck it out. I'm like, well, let me just go. I've already went this far, so let me just do it. And then so I'm working at one of the top architecture firms in the world where so many people would love to be. But I just wasn't happy. You know, I was doing blueprints all day long, talking to the engineers and the contractors about the HVAC system. And I honestly, it was just like, this was not lighting my soul up. And I kept saying I need to help people. But you have to understand at that time, you know, there were no Facebook groups. There was no Instagram. We weren't doing this. You know, I didn't know anybody who did this kind of work. Okay. So I just kept saying I need to help people. So I was 29 at the time. I was turning 30, living in Boston with my boyfriend. We decided to go to France for my 30th birthday. And we get to France, and he's acting really strange. And I'm trying to talk to him, and he's not really responding. And I'm like, oh, my God, he's so nervous. I think he's going to propose. You know, we didn't really talk about this, and I wasn't really ready. But I was like, oh, okay. I'm like, you know, I'm 30 at the time, unconscious. I'm like, oh, yeah, I want the ring, right? You know, I'm in it. So I'm like, I'm here for this. So I'm like, oh, he must be proposing. So we're at dinner at this restaurant that I really wanted to go to with a designer, Philippe Stark, who I loved his work, you know, because I was working in design world. So we're there. Super happy to be there. He's acting weird. I'm like, oh, my God, it's coming. And he breaks up with me on my 30th birthday in France. And, you know, honestly, it was like out of a movie. Yeah. It was like out of a movie. So, you know, I'm laughing now because it's been so long and I love sharing the story, but was not laughing at the time. So fast forward, we go back home. And I move out because I was living with him in his place. And I realized. At that point. So I got this download, but at the time I did not know what was a download, right? Because I don't really have a conscious connection to spirit, but I went for a walk and I get this download that it's time to move back to California. So I moved back to California. I had a little stint in New York trying to live it up and go crazy for the summer. Anyway. So I ended up back in California. And that's when the economy tank. So I believe this was around when it was at 2008, 2009. [Speaker 2] (6:35 - 6:36) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (6:36 - 11:21) The economy tanked, no design jobs. Now living at home with my parents, crying about my breakup, having no money, watching some friends get married. And I'm like, wow, this is not how I pictured life. At all. Right. I'm like, I am devastated. I'm crying. You know, I'm just like, this is the worst. I haven't lived with my parents since I was 18. I was 30 at the time. But I come to find out that that was actually divine timing. I had to heal a relationship with my family. You know, we had to work on some wounds and also I needed to be in a safe environment for what was to come. And so what was to come was a massive awakening that I couldn't even tell you the words at the time, because I didn't know, right. This is in hindsight, but a massive awakening. So it really started with dreams about a month after I was home, you know, kind of just being depressed and crying and feeling sorry for myself, cancer moon over here. Right. Feeling super sorry for myself and wallowing in my own self pity. I then started having dreams that were so real. They would take me about almost an hour to kind of snap out of it. And I would write in my dream journal, which I just found the other day and pages and pages and pages of notes, you know, I almost felt like I was somewhere else. And I'm like, wow, this is so weird. You know, I don't know what's going on. So it started with that and that kept happening. And then one day after that, in the middle of the night, I woke up in the middle of the night, open up my eyes. And I see a spirit in front of me. Now. I have never seen spirits before in my life. Like you hear these mediums that grow up and they were seeing this as they were a baby. I did not, this was not normal to me. So I actually screamed. I was so terrified, not because the spirit was doing anything to me, but, but because my eyes were open and I was seeing it as I was looking at you guys, they're just a little bit more like translucent. Okay. So that was so shocking to me. And I was terrified for about two weeks, didn't sleep with my lights off. But in that time, again, I didn't know at the time, but I started getting downloads from spirit. And what was starting to happen is I was starting to be guided. Cause that's the thing I want to share with people. We always have guidance, right? We always have little hits that come through us, but we think it's us. But this was so strong and this was so foreign to me, but I was being guided. It felt very loving. It felt very safe. And it was like, you know, the more scared you are, the more you're going to bring in dark energy. So I had to go through this and learn this myself. There was no book. There was no teacher that taught me. I had to learn this. And then they're like, start meditating. And I'm like, well, what the hell is meditation? Right. At this time, I was 13 years ago. So I had to sit down, you know, I'll close my eyes. I'm like, am I doing this right? I don't know what's going on. But then I would go into deep meditations and throughout this process. So this became then a couple months to a year. What was starting to happening was this unfolding and this awakening of the true essence of Danielle. So during this time, the Danielle that I knew for 30 years was dying. So I had to go through this deep grieving process. Parts of my behavioral patterns were dying, you know, relationships with friends with some family members were ending and just the old parts of me were crumbling while this new was coming in. And you have to understand this was very confusing to me. This was very scary, but at the same time, throughout this whole process, I had this connection in my heart of knowing this is who I am. And this is what I came here for, because when I was little, I always had this deep understanding and belief that I was here for something big, but I never knew what it was because, you know, in the 3d plane, I was like, okay, I can't sing. I mean, I could only dance, you know, if I had some wine and I come like, I'm not really a dancer, I'm not an artist per se, I can't draw or paint. So I'm like, oh, well I have no talents. Right. That's what I told myself. But throughout this process, I was learning that my true gifts were coming out and there was magic there to be had. So this became a journey of all through my thirties and me then learning astrology, me learning about consciousness, me learning about awakening me you know, shedding the old Danielle and moving into a higher vibrational frequency. That's more aligned with my soul. So again, I'm still going through it because we all are just everyone's journey, but it was massive. I would say from 30 to 36 was massive awakening of my soul. And in that process, I started my business and, you know, and I'm kind of fast forwarding here, but I started my business because I knew this is what I'm here to do. Started with astrology and now it's just branching into everything because everything is connected. So that is my story. And again, I had, if you would have told me this at 29, that this was coming, honestly, I would have called you crazy conspiracy theorist. If I even knew that word at the time, right. And I would have made fun of you probably. And I would have walked away and left. So proof that we have no idea what is coming for us. [Speaker 2] (11:21 - 12:11) We have no idea. We never have any idea. And I mean, it's, it's so interesting how like it always happens around 30 and obviously Saturn return, et cetera, et cetera. I'm 30 this year. And if you told me last year that when I'm 30, that I'd be, I'd be doing astrology. I'd be doing neurology. I'd be giving tarot readings. I mean, I was working in construction. I was working in a factory. I've got a forklift license. Like if you told me back then the same thing that this is what I would have been doing, I would have, I would have said the same things. You absolutely just never know what life is going to throw at you and when and what turn is coming. And I feel for those years, before we get to 30, we're often the most confused at the same time about, you know what, what our purpose is, what container we're meant to pour our creativity into. We've got no idea. So from your perspective, do you want to say something? [Speaker 3] (12:12 - 12:25) Yeah, I just want to say something real quick, because I'm curious that we partied it all together in New York city, because I worked at the Rose bar, the Gramercy park hotel, and next to the Gramercy park hotel, the apartment buildings that were connected to them were designed by Philippe Stark. [Speaker 1] (12:25 - 12:27) So amazing. [Speaker 3] (12:27 - 12:32) So I was just curious if there was some other connection there as well, but Oh, I'm sure we, I'm sure we've passed each other. [Speaker 1] (12:33 - 12:34) There's no doubt. [Speaker 3] (12:34 - 12:44) And then I left in 2008, I was 28. I left because the path I was on like acting and then even living that bar world, I took a year off and backpacked around the world. [Speaker 1] (12:45 - 12:47) Remember when we used to be able to do that? Remember the good old days? [Speaker 3] (12:47 - 12:54) Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. Without having to take tests and do all this other crazy shit. I remember the flu. [Speaker 1] (12:55 - 12:57) I can't find it. [Speaker 2] (13:01 - 13:15) Because even from a human design perspective, right? It's 30. When you look at the six line, it's it's 30 where things shift. So can you explain the sudden return and how that affects our life from your perspective? [Speaker 1] (13:15 - 15:31) Absolutely. I will throw this out for any astrology lovers. I also was going through my Saturn return. I had Pluto on my ascendant and Uranus on my Venus. When I broke up with a relationship and Venus is my North node ruler. So I had a lot going on, but to go back to the side of return, which actually just have a course on right now, a little plug there. It's called Karma codes. And so I teach people about what Saturn return is and Saturn in your birth chart. So Saturn return, we have three of them in our lifetime around 30, you know, it could be 29. Some people could start 28 and a half. It really depends on their chart, but around, we'll just say 30, 60 and 90. Okay. So we have three cycles and that's how long it takes 30 years for roughly Saturn to come around to the same placement where it was in your birth chart. Now every planet is a different archetype and every archetype we feel energetically. Saturn is about responsibility, discipline, structure, and it's our karmic lesson of one of the main reasons why we incarnated on earth and why we came here. So when we are turning 30, we all, we don't have to believe in this. I love the people that don't believe in astrology because I'm like, Oh, you're still going to feel it. If you believe in astrology or not, you're going to feel the energy. So what happens is Saturn comes around and we start feeling, Oh, okay. I need to get serious. Either it's could be a divorce. It could be a marriage. It could be a baby. It could be a new job. It could be move across the world, across the country, right? Or we have some internal crisis of, I don't know what I want or I need to start doing this because what Saturn is doing is this is the reason why we incarnated. So we have to start learning the karmic lesson. So we start tapping into the energy of Saturn and Saturn is a lifelong journey. It's not quick in literally ages, like fine wine. So as we get older, Saturn releases its grip and we can move into it more. So yes, we go through our Saturn return, but then we spend the rest of our life until the next side of return, and then we start to feel the energy of Saturn. So that's a lot of energy that we have. And then we start to feel the energy of Saturn really refining and molding and shaping and moving into that vibration. Okay. So mine was in the ninth house and nine houses, spirituality, spiritual teacher consciousness. You know, what are we here for? So I had to find my voice. I had to find a higher meaning of life, but I just was lacking before and I didn't have, And that was very apparent when it started coming through. [Speaker 2] (15:33 - 15:34) There you have it. [Speaker 1] (15:34 - 15:35) There you go. [Speaker 3] (15:35 - 15:55) I'm curious your thoughts on this. A lot of people talk about age 33 is the Jesus year. You know, you've heard that before and like this big impact that it has or big change. Like, does that correlate at all? Like in terms of it's like, you're kind of out of your Saturn returns and then this year happens. And so it's like a huge change or a huge shift that you go through in your life. I'm just curious your thoughts on that. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (15:55 - 16:49) Well, we also all have our individual transits. So Saturn is gonna, cause the orbit for Saturn is around 29, 30 years. So that's gonna happen for everyone. But besides that, we have our own individual transits that we all go through. But you know, the 33, you know, I tell people, I think that around 31 is when we've kind of learned the lessons of Saturn and then we start implementing. So 31 is a rough number. There's no, with energy, there's no, you know, cutoff. It's not black and white. So it could be 33. And that's when I feel like we really start turning and yeah, refining and moving in. So people think, oh, I'm just turned 30 or I'm, you know, 30 and a half people are like, I'm out of my Saturn return. I'm like, oh no, honey, you're just starting. And you're gonna then start implementing it because it's one thing to get on a mental level. It's another thing to actually start moving into that higher frequency of what Saturn is actually asking of you in your lifetime. [Speaker 2] (16:52 - 16:57) Yeah. I wanna ask you from your perspective. We could get into a debate here. [Speaker 1] (16:58 - 17:02) Uh-oh, Vedic versus, that's always the question. Is that the question? [Speaker 2] (17:02 - 17:03) No, no, I don't know. [Speaker 1] (17:03 - 17:04) Okay. [Speaker 2] (17:04 - 17:16) But I wanna ask you, so do, from your perspective, do the planets have their own energy frequency which is affecting us? Like how does the basic effects of astrology come through from your viewpoint? [Speaker 1] (17:17 - 18:56) Well, the first thing I'm gonna say is I don't have all the answers and I definitely am not in for 10. Like I know, I think the more that I grow and the more I evolve, the more I understand that I know nothing at all. So I think that to me is the biggest key to understanding and not understanding at the same time. What I will say though, yes, I have seen that the planets have a different frequency. Everything in the universe is frequency and vibration. So to me, they're like different actors in the play. Like, is this the criminal? Is this the good guy? Is this the good girl, right? Is this the quiet, shy one? You know, what is it asking? Is it a spiritual one? What is it asking of us? And, you know, this is what I tell people all the time. I don't have to do astrology. At the time, you know, the economy was horrible and so I was doing sales jobs and other things but I didn't need to get into astrology because it's not like I didn't have any degrees. I have two degrees under my belt. You know, if I really wanted to do something else, I could. I got into astrology because it was a calling and I saw how accurate it was. I would not be here and still continue doing it if it was accurate because why would I wanna be sharing something, wasting my time, right? If I didn't see it time and time again and I'm predicting things and then showing things that were gonna happen. So how I see it is, yes, it's different frequency and they don't lie. That's what I've said. Astrology doesn't lie. There's no black and white. There's wiggle room and there's free will depending on our consciousness. So the planets won't make us do anything but we are under the vibration of it. So how will we use it to the highest good is what I always teach people, right? So it goes so much deeper than just like we're doomed or we're destined. [Speaker 2] (18:57 - 20:49) Exactly. I'm glad you said that because I'm in complete agreeance with that as well. From my perspective, they are archetypes, right? And these are living archetypes within us. Primarily it's an inner zodiac. Well, like, right? Well, what came first? Us or the planets? Could the planets simply be projections of ourselves? Like this inner zodiac is a real living thing within each of us. We're all individual universes oriented in different ways depending on how that zodiac is. But yeah, I came from the same place. I didn't believe in astrology, right? I was raised in quite a fundamentalist Christian kind of background. But the moment I saw the truth of it and I began to apply it in my own life and began to work with it and apply it with other people, there's absolutely no denying the impact. And it's such an empowering thing also from my perspective to realize that you incarnated here with a blueprint unlike anybody else that's ever existed. And you're here to fulfill a purpose which is only yours. And particularly when we live in this culture that is designed to make us believe we're all the same and to do all the same things and to say all the same things and to respond the same way, what could be more empowering than realizing that your own uniquity and then being able to get confirmations of what that really is? When we give those people those confirmations, it awakens a remembrance of who they really are because most of us, we live our whole lives knowing what we're like. We recognize our strengths, our weaknesses, our proclivities, but we don't have certainty in that because the world is telling us something different. And then you go and get like a divination reading and it's like, whoa, I have always been that way. I have always felt like that. And then you can get the confidence to actually live your life like that and own yourself and be who you truly are. So yeah, that's my two cents on all of that. [Speaker 1] (20:49 - 21:36) I love that. And it is, I tell people, it's a beautiful tool. And there's a lot of people who have a negative connotation with astrology and I do understand that, but I also, with all due respect, they don't understand the magic and the mysteries of the universe. They don't understand the beautiful ancient wisdom tool that it is. And a lot of people are using it not in the highest light. But like you said, when you can read your blueprint and understand and bring you deeper into your soul and have you heal some pain that maybe was inflicted on you through societal conditioning or what have you, just to understand like, this is how I'm wired. Okay, and I've been maybe doing the shadow energy. Well, how can I use the higher expression of this? And what is it really asking of me in this lifetime instead of just getting myself stuck over and over again? It's incredibly beautiful. [Speaker 3] (21:37 - 22:21) Yeah, I think that's what I love about all these more esoteric arts is, like Joel, you were saying, we live in this world where especially with social media, where it's just like, well, that person is doing that thing and that person is doing that and I should be doing that. And it's like, these systems just allow you to really land more in who you are and get out of the compare and contrast game. And yeah, I've had so many affirmations of, fuck yes, this is who I am from these different readings. I think my first astrology reading ever was, I think it was like after that trip or 2008, 2009. And it was just like a mind fuck, not just because of the good stuff, the positive stuff, but when they shine a light on the shit, you're like, oh yeah, that's fuck. [Speaker 1] (22:22 - 22:25) It's so important though to see all parts of ourselves. [Speaker 3] (22:25 - 22:40) Yeah, so I've loved it and I've become a lifelong student, not like an expert, but I'm someone who likes to know a little or more than a little about a lot of things and not just one thing. And so all these different things, I was gonna say, you said Gemini, right? [Speaker 1] (22:40 - 22:43) Yes, of course, Jack of all trades, there you go. [Speaker 3] (22:43 - 23:21) Gemini, and I'm a Jack of diamonds in that other system we were talking about the other day. So I just appreciated it, just diving into human design, the little I know of astrology and these other systems. It really allows me to just accept myself on a deeper level. Like it really is a pathway to self-love that's different than other things, than like, oh, I'm gonna get a massage every week or I'm gonna do this. It's like a deeper knowing and acceptance that no one could take that away from you. It's like aha moment after aha moment that just solidifies your stance as a being in this world that I think is incredible. [Speaker 1] (23:22 - 24:31) Absolutely, and I'm actually wanna bring something up real quickly because you just talked about being a Gemini. You'd like to know a little bit about everything. That is your vibration. We can't take that from you. I can't hold a gun to your head and be like, stop doing that and just learn this, right? That's going against our constitution. And for example, I just did a reading for a girl the other day and she's like, I'm really struggling. She's like, I have this business coach and she's telling me I have to create a niche. I have to create a niche. And like, I have to do this. And she's like, and I don't want to because I'm doing this, this and this. And I look at her chart and I just start laughing. She has a North stone in Gemini. I'm like, honey, you cannot create just one thing. You're not here to do one thing. So that's why we have all these people telling us just the general way to do it. It's not an alignment. And the minute I told her that she had the biggest relief and she said, that's what my intuition was telling me. But then she's told me one thing and I'm like, you cannot do one thing you are not meant to. I said, when you do a course, of course, make it niche, like make it so people know what it is, but each course, but you are a spiritual teacher. And under the umbrella of that, you can talk about medical intuition. And she had all these things that she loved. And I'm like, you're North stone in Gemini. You are not supposed to just have one thing, end of story. [Speaker 3] (24:32 - 25:08) I totally get it. And you said something that I've talked about often is that we live in this world. I mean, especially the last 10, 12 years where the coaching industry has become so saturated and there's all these formulas and you have to do things a certain way. And it's like, no, like why? Like someone's program that worked for them might work based on their astrology, their human design, whatever. Okay, and then they're trying to then take that thing that worked for them and then sell it. So everyone else does it. Where I feel like when you start from the ground up and you know someone on a deep level, whether it's through these arts, then you can coach them or guide them in a way that's more unique to them. [Speaker 1] (25:09 - 25:31) A hundred percent. I used to do more coaching. I don't really do readings that much anymore either, but I used to do more coaching. And that's the beauty of it. I would get to their chart in one session. Whereas some of these people would say, I've been sitting in therapy for a year and it took a year for us to get to what I got in the first session, right? And then we would talk about it and we would move through that because it's a tool. Any tool that you use just brings you a deeper understanding of their soul. [Speaker 2] (25:32 - 25:41) Yeah. We all have such unique ways of expressing and receiving energy. So like, even when you go to a coach in a group coaching course, how can you coach everyone the same way? [Speaker 1] (25:41 - 25:42) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (25:42 - 25:45) You simply cannot. You know what? [Speaker 1] (25:45 - 25:56) They're selling courses for so much and people are eating that stuff up and people will spend so much money on coaching courses, but they won't spend the same amount of money to heal themselves. So we need to change that paradigm. [Speaker 2] (25:56 - 26:20) I agree. A hundred percent. And my message, and I know for you two as well, it's know thyself, right? If you know yourself, well then all of a sudden, you don't need to do all the courses. You don't need to be every coach to figure it out. You just need to know how it is that you're meant to express yourself and who you really are on an individual level. And immediately you're going to get those insights to what you're really inclined towards. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (26:20 - 27:18) And trusting yourself, you know? Like how can you get to that point where you trust yourself? You know how many people I've had in my life that like second guess or question the major decisions that I've made in my life. And it's like, no, I'm following that voice, whatever that is within me to go towards the thing that lights me up. I mean, later on that I realized, oh, I'm a generator too. You know, from a human designs perspective, it's really important to go after the things that lighten me up. I don't even know why sometimes. I'm just like, I'm going to go here. No, this is the next thing I'm going to do. This is the next thing I'm going to do, which again falls into underlying the whole Gemini nature as well. So there's all these different things that paint a picture and shine a light on certain qualities of yourself. And it really comes back down to like, you have to gain that trust with yourself. You know, and this is the issue we're dealing with the world today is like there's a disconnection from that voice within, from that trust. And so we're absolving ourselves of the responsibility and we're looking externally for all the answers when the answers are there within us. If we just separate and peel away from the gunk and the conditioning that is keeping us from really listening and hearing that voice. [Speaker 1] (27:19 - 27:40) Right, that's why more people need to listen to, like you guys listen to some of the crazy stuff that I say that's shocking because from birth we're indoctrinated into this program. You know, people don't even realize cause they don't even know they have blinders on, but what we're trying to do is shatter those blinders and then they start looking and they're like, I didn't even know that was over there, right? That's when the awakening happens. [Speaker 2] (27:40 - 28:43) Yep, yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I mean, how can you trust yourself if you don't know who you are? So the first step to trusting yourself is knowing who you are. And like you begin to listen to that intuition, right? But often early in the beginning, you're scared to act upon it for some reason or another. You go against the grain. But the moment you start to act upon what that little voice is calling, and then you make that decision and all of a sudden you experience a release or something shifts in your life that puts you more in alignment, then you begin to flex that discernment. You begin to build that trust with yourself and you can listen deeper and take the next steps and the bigger callings. And these arts, these different divination arts, they are a way to cut through the shit. They are a way to cut through the sludge of the world and everything being projected at you. They are a machete for you to actually carve your own path by understanding deeper who you are. And I mean, I just, yeah, it's just changed my life. Absolutely. [Speaker 1] (28:44 - 29:44) And I like to joke that astrology for me, because here's the thing. Yes, I'm an astrologer. I've done this for many lifetimes. So it actually came very, I would study a lot and I taught myself, but it would come easily to me. And then I started taking classes with teachers later on. But the thing is, yes, I'm an astrologer, but I'm so much more than that. And so you guys are so much more than any tool you use because I see astrology and why spirit really got me into it in the beginning, it was my gateway drug, I like to call it, because that opens you up to receiving information from the universe. So now my biggest thing is my health journey that I went through, and I'm getting taught by spirit right now, how to heal different parts of our body with frequency. So that's something that I am learning right now. So it was just, like I say, the astrology, whether it's Tarot, astrology, human design, gene keys, they're just gateway drugs to bring you deeper into the connection to spirit, which is your connection to self. And that's the truth right there. [Speaker 2] (29:45 - 30:10) 100%, that's the truth. And ultimately what the gateway is to your inner oracle. We all have this inner oracle, right? And there are different various ways to deepen that connection and strengthen that connection. But ultimately you can get to a point where you don't even need the tools. You don't need the tools whatsoever because you've made that connection, you've bridged the gap. Yeah. So this morning, Danielle, I had the most random back spasm. So how can I heal my back? [Speaker 1] (30:11 - 30:14) Oh, we're going there. Okay. Putting me on the spot. [Speaker 2] (30:14 - 30:20) I was so fidgety because I literally, like it was so random, but yeah. Help me out. [Speaker 1] (30:20 - 30:22) We'll talk about that afterwards. [Speaker 2] (30:22 - 30:45) Yeah, perfect. No worries. You mentioned earlier, like you felt you always were intuitive naturally, or you felt you had more intuition. And so from an esoteric numerology perspective, this is not your life path number. We discussed this briefly over Instagram, but you are a seven and seven are the most, sevens generally, they are the most intuitive. This is the number of the mystic. It's the number of divination, right? [Speaker 1] (30:45 - 30:48) Isn't it the loner as well? Would make sense to me. [Speaker 2] (30:48 - 31:10) Yeah. I mean, seven is the first prime number. It's the most individualistic. Seven deadly sins, seven chakras, seven musical notes. There's seven sheafs around a baby also. So yeah, it's a very, very esoteric number. So even just from that perspective, there's no coincidences that you've found yourself in what it is that you're doing. [Speaker 1] (31:11 - 31:15) Which number was that? Was it, because you said it wasn't life path. So what was it called? [Speaker 2] (31:15 - 32:59) So this number is the way the ancients conducted numerology. So ancient Egyptians charted 36 smaller constellations, which rule 10 degree windows and 10 day periods, as opposed to the 12 ruling the 30. And by no coincidence, there's 36 cards of the minor arcana. And what people don't realize that these divination arts were created to be used together. And they're all tens of thousands of years old. So when you get the propaganda that the tarot was just invented in the 1500s and it's medieval era, Kushnera, it's all bullshit. These images are so ancient. They can be seen in the temple of Thebes, in the book of the dead. These are the original archetypes. But anyway, so then we link that constellation with the card of the tarot that corresponds to it. So your personal significator is the seven of disks. And this is the real way that tarot readings are meant to be conducted as well. So if I was to do a tarot reading for you, the seven of disks is how I would find you in a deck. It's not about picking a random card. It's about setting from the outset, the rules of the reading and knowing who you are in the deck being the seven of disks. Then the answer is always following your personal card when I do a reading. So seven of disks is obviously earth. So it's more earthy experiences as well. But generally speaking, the seven of disks cannot stand doing anything the traditional way. It cannot stand having traditional modes of work. There's a complete antipathy to doing any kind of cookie cutter way about anything. But yeah, that's how that sort of numerology works. I mean, the life path number is useful, but to me, it's not the primary significator of who we are from a numerological perspective. [Speaker 1] (33:00 - 33:10) Beautiful. That's really good to know because my life path is, well, it depends on how you add it up and it depends on who you speak with, either a 33 or a six. So very interesting. [Speaker 3] (33:10 - 33:21) Yeah. Very interesting. I think I'm a 32 five, based on what you just said, a 32 five. Yeah. Anyway, it's not that that matters. I just thought I'd say that. I was like, I'm a 32 five. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (33:21 - 33:24) The Gemini wants to be heard here. Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 3] (33:26 - 33:32) Play something. No, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. Like, I got excited. She said 33. I love it. [Speaker 2] (33:32 - 33:42) And then I'm like 32 five, Well, I mean, from my understanding and what I've learned, you would be a six. We do reduce the 33. It's only the 11 and the 22. [Speaker 1] (33:43 - 33:58) Honestly, I prefer that because the responsibility of a 33 sounds like hell to me. And I'm uninterested. My ego is not about that. So I'm thrilled to be a six, which is more nurturing and the healer and like the mother and that kind of energy. [Speaker 2] (33:58 - 34:15) Yeah. So then what I can do with the life path number, which does work as well, is that you can actually create an astrological chart from your life path number. So then the six is linked to the lover's card, which represents Gemini. So you could create a chart with Gemini in the first house and build a chart. [Speaker 1] (34:15 - 34:19) Well, my Venus is in Gemini and I definitely resonate with that so much. [Speaker 3] (34:19 - 34:20) My Venus is in Gemini too. [Speaker 1] (34:20 - 34:31) It's a dangerous place. I'm going to tell you. It's very dangerous. Going on dates, I'm born in two seconds and I have more information than you'll ever know. How do you know that? You know, just Venus and Gemini. I don't know. What do you want to know? [Speaker 3] (34:31 - 34:36) I hear you. I'm right there with you. Yeah. Well, you're married. [Speaker 1] (34:36 - 34:40) You haven't figured out. I'm still the one trying to deal with this, you know? [Speaker 2] (34:40 - 34:45) I hear you. And you're both Sagittarius rising as well, right? [Speaker 1] (34:45 - 34:47) Yeah. Yeah, I love Sagittarius. [Speaker 3] (34:47 - 35:05) At least Sag rising in what you talk about. I'm Libra rising in, I would say- In conventional Western astrology. Yeah, yeah, Western astrology. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Leo moon, Leo moon, Libra rising, Gemini sun. That's how I roll. [Speaker 1] (35:06 - 35:10) Ah, Leo moon. You're doing great. I love you. You're wonderful. [Speaker 3] (35:10 - 35:11) Thank you, thank you so much. [Speaker 1] (35:11 - 35:13) You look amazing. Keep up the good work. [Speaker 3] (35:13 - 35:15) Oh, I appreciate it. How's that? Oh, please keep it coming. Keep it coming. [Speaker 1] (35:16 - 35:17) I know how that feels. [Speaker 3] (35:17 - 35:25) You're invited over anytime. We just, just so you know. And even when we don't have a party, you're invited. What about me? [Speaker 1] (35:25 - 35:26) What's your moon again? I forgot. [Speaker 3] (35:26 - 35:27) Capricorn, I think. [Speaker 1] (35:28 - 35:36) That's right. Yeah, that's, when you have Scorpio and Capricorn, that's a slave driver. Like that is like, means business. [Speaker 2] (35:37 - 35:38) I'm the slave driver? [Speaker 1] (35:38 - 35:45) Well, when you have the moon in Capricorn and the sun at 29 degrees of Scorpio, that is all business. [Speaker 3] (35:45 - 35:45) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (35:46 - 35:48) That will run your ass over. [Speaker 3] (35:48 - 35:53) I can see that. I'm a little bit more all over the place. So, you know, with the podcast, like Joel's like, all right, okay. [Speaker 1] (35:53 - 35:53) Totally. [Speaker 3] (35:54 - 35:55) I do this, that, and the other. [Speaker 1] (35:56 - 35:57) Wait, did you say you drove a forklift? [Speaker 2] (35:59 - 36:01) I've got a forklift license. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (36:01 - 36:06) Okay, well that's amazing. Cause I could like see this image of like, you just running someone over with that energy. [Speaker 3] (36:07 - 36:13) Well, that's actually why he had to leave the job. He ran someone over with the forklift and he's on probation. No, I'm just kidding. [Speaker 1] (36:13 - 36:14) I mean, yeah. [Speaker 2] (36:14 - 36:16) No, no, it's true. We haven't discussed it yet, but yeah, that's right. [Speaker 3] (36:16 - 36:39) You know what? I want to, I want to ask you, you know, based on intuition, based on astrology, based on your experiences in the world, like when did you get more hip to like the level of what's happening in the world? You know, like, like when did you have the aha moment of like, oh, the people that are in power, like they don't really care about us. You know, the mainstream media is lying to us, et cetera, et cetera. [Speaker 1] (36:40 - 39:18) April, 2020 is all of a sudden the veil just went like this. And I was as, you know, and listen, this is not a liberal or Republican situation, but just to put it in perspective, I was as I was still doing spiritual work and it's super liberal, right? Wanting to support and do all the right things, right? You know, just everything that they're saying I was eating up too. I did it. So that's why I understand all these other people. And then in April, 2020 is if someone took the curtain and the curtain went like that and I sat back and I absolutely, my jaw dropped and I freaked out and I didn't tell anyone for a little bit because I'm like, I don't actually understand what's happening. And I sat and I observed and I would watch things on Facebook and I would watch the way people talked about Trump. Again, not saying I love him or hate him, I just as an observer. And I would like be like, huh, well that's actually interesting because everyone is saying the exact same thing, okay? And before this in my, I was always like, I hate him. I was saying the same thing too. So then all of a sudden the curtain moves back, I get downloads as to what's happening and how this is like the biggest joke situation there is. And then I start observing people and I'm like, well, everyone that hates Trump, right? Cause that was a hot issue. The time everyone that hates Trump is saying the exact same thing. And I'm like, wait, but he just did something that was actually kind of decent, but then no one's talking about that. And so I'm like, oh, okay. And I'm like, let's just put it back. Let's move on from him. And then I went to looking at other things about what's going on with COVID, right? What's going on with Fauci. And then I started looking and then I started seeing through and I'm like, well, how do you not see this? And I saw what's going on in California. And I'm like, well, they don't give a shit about anyone. They're just trying to manipulate it for their highest good and get him out. And once I started seeing that, I started slowly telling people. And then some friends were like, oh my God, I can't believe you're saying this. And I'm like, okay, well, you're not the right one. Let's go over back over here. And then I would tell other people. And then slowly, so many people started getting it. It was like this thing was just like dripping into people's consciousness one by one. And then all of a sudden I was slamming truth right and left all summer and people, I was getting bullied, I was getting harassed and people were like, oh my God. And I'm like, how do you not see it? It's right here. All of a sudden the curtain went. So again, this is not about Trump, that it just started with that. And then it leaked into everything else that's going on. And then they're still, they're all part of the same bird, you know? But you just see, because again, that was a narrative that they sold us too. You have to hate this person. You have to hate this person. And I'm like, well, if anyone's telling me to hate anyone, I'm gonna look at why, right? So then it just started. And then it's so obvious now. It's so obvious. It's painful. [Speaker 2] (39:18 - 39:36) Oh yeah, it's so obvious. Yeah. I commend you for seeing what you see and especially in the work that you do, speaking out the way that you spoke out. And love him or hate him. I mean, Trump was a great awakening for many people because it just created such a veil and such a haze for so many people. [Speaker 1] (39:36 - 39:37) So polarizing. [Speaker 2] (39:37 - 40:17) So polarizing. And to be honest with you, I don't know if it's the same bird. I'm not convinced either way. I don't know because like it or not, from my perspective, so many people awoke through the whole Trump phenomenon. And so many people now even still are holding on because of that, you know what I mean? Because of whatever the message was through that period, through Q, through Trump, hold the line, whatever it is, it's still empowered people to this day to hold the damn line, to not give in to tyranny, to not comply. So at the end of the day, looking at it, I'm like, I don't know. Like, it's just such an interesting thing. I'm wondering, did you ever look into Trump astrologically? [Speaker 1] (40:18 - 41:15) Oh yeah, I've done his chart and Biden's chart in my astrology classes. So we talk about it. We've talked about it. I've done lives on it. And you know, it's very fascinating. I don't remember his chart offhand, like all the details, but it's very fascinating when you can really just go in with no judgment. Like I look at Biden's and I look at Trump's and I said no judgment and just observe and see how they are and see where it's coming from, right? And so I would be using this for the highest good. If I recall, Biden has several planets in the 12th house and the 12th house is the hidden house and it's very secretive and it's also very Neptunian. So it could be someone off in another world, off in another zone. And it's like, well, look what's happening now, right? And then Trump has some, I believe Uranus energy. It's either Uranus conjunct his sun sign or Uranus conjunct his north node, I can't remember offhand. And that's very polarizing. That's here to shake shit up, right? So, you know, it's just very fascinating to see, how is this being used? He's here to break systems. [Speaker 2] (41:15 - 41:17) Yeah. And also he's a Gemini, right? [Speaker 1] (41:18 - 41:24) Yes, well, the tweeting is so Gemini, you know? Let's ask the Gemini king over here. [Speaker 3] (41:24 - 41:29) Yeah, well, I just started tweeting. So, you know, I gotta get, I gotta catch up. [Speaker 1] (41:29 - 41:44) But it's like social media. It's that pretty banter. It's like saying all these things without even thinking, just like, Geminis are so quick, you know? So it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He's just saying stuff. It's funny to observe. And I think Biden, isn't Biden a Scorpio, if I remember correctly? [Speaker 3] (41:44 - 41:45) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (41:45 - 41:47) And so it's just, you know, you can see through the eyes. [Speaker 3] (41:48 - 41:49) Yeah, you can see it. [Speaker 1] (41:49 - 41:51) Yeah, totally. You're Biden. [Speaker 3] (41:52 - 42:03) Yeah, it was funny though, because when you were talking, like the quick thing that came to me when you said, he's all about like hiding and hidden. I was like, oh, is that why he hides in the basement? You know, the whole thing that was going on with him the whole time. [Speaker 1] (42:04 - 42:05) I can't even. [Speaker 3] (42:05 - 42:40) Or logic is hiding. But yeah, no, I hear you. It's wild what we're going through, what the world's experiencing. And, you know, we have these experiences, we have these individuals and people take them for who they are and they grow or expand depending on whatever's coming forward in the way that's meant for them in this lifetime. There's so many reasons why. You know, again, same thing with like Trump. Love him or hate him because I'm kind of aligned with you in that sense. You know, it's just like, I don't fucking know or whether you care about him or not. The one thing I tell people is he sure as hell got people to wake up to the fraudulent nature of the mainstream media. Like with all the fake news shit. [Speaker 1] (42:40 - 42:58) And he's been saying fake news before I even was like, what the hell does that even mean? Right, as I was in the system too. And he's been saying it and it's correct. He's literally talking about the deep state. Again, not defending him, but where anyone in politics besides JFK who they killed, right? Been saying stuff. [Speaker 3] (42:59 - 43:27) Yeah. And at the same time too, it's like we have this thing where because we're easily programmed that like this person is all bad. Like everything they say is bad. Like people just want to throw out the baby with the bath water. So we have these individuals who for whatever reason they're in the positions that there are, they've gained a certain level of power. And it's like, well, no, they're all psychopaths. They're all horrible. And it's like, well, it's not always the case, you know? So you think about Trump, you think about Biden. Well, I mean, Biden, I know he's another person. He's an alien right now. [Speaker 1] (43:27 - 43:29) He's not even there. [Speaker 2] (43:31 - 44:02) And then in saying that we have the other side of the scale as well. And these are ancient wounds where we project the saviour onto it. You know what I mean? That there's no balance. We're either projecting the psychopath or the saviour. And this is all a projection of what we haven't dealt with within ourself. Then this goes back, it's ancient times when it comes to the core wounds of humanity, the whole saviour issue. And it really like, well, we just can't, we struggle to look at things realistically anymore. Like we, and we struggle to perceive reality to be what it is. [Speaker 1] (44:03 - 44:34) And it's really important- If people took responsibility for themselves, it would be a completely different world. Not to mention if people started doing coffee enemas and colonics, we would be getting rid of all the parasitic energy inside of ourselves, right? And literally people don't understand how angry that makes people. That if your liver is inflamed, you're in trouble, right? You're gonna be screaming at everyone. And half the people, their liver is taxed by all the stuff that they drink, all the shit that they eat. So if people started doing coffee enemas, colonics and actually parasite cleanses, we would be living in a very different world. [Speaker 3] (44:34 - 44:36) Nothing like a tube up your butt to save humanity. [Speaker 1] (44:36 - 44:40) Oh my God. I mean, I could talk for days about that stuff. It's changed my whole life. [Speaker 2] (44:41 - 44:48) I'm definitely Drew. Cause I mean, we've been in a lockdown here, so I can't go anywhere. I mean, just stick a tube up your butt and have some coffee and you're good to go. [Speaker 1] (44:49 - 44:51) I will coach you through an enema in your house, a coffee enema. [Speaker 2] (44:52 - 45:00) All right, we'll talk about it during the break. Awesome. So interesting. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (45:01 - 45:06) We think this is a good place. Do you think this is a good place to stop part one and then we'll get into part two? [Speaker 2] (45:06 - 45:19) We can call it here for part one. To our public, thanks so much for tuning in so far to this incredible conversation with Danielle. Anything you wanna leave our public audience with to find you before we let them go here? [Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:33) Yeah, absolutely. You can find me on Instagram at I am Danielle Page. That's P-A-I-G-E. And my website is Danielle Page. And I post everything on my website, the link in the bio on Instagram and my podcast is Cosmopolitan Podcast. [Speaker 2] (45:34 - 45:49) Awesome. If you guys would like to keep listening, head to our Patreon page. Please, we'd love for you to join our community, support independent media, fuck the fake news. And we'll see you on the other side. Take care. [Speaker 3] (45:49 - 46:15) Yep. Welcome back, everybody. We're excited to have Danielle with us and we're gonna get into some stuff that I think is really, really important to talk about. Danielle, I'm curious, you've talked about this in the past, I guess, a few weeks on your Instagram page that you recently went through an explant procedure. So can you talk about what that is? [Speaker 1] (46:16 - 46:19) I did. So are they gonna see the video at all, or is it only audio? [Speaker 3] (46:19 - 46:21) No, we do YouTube videos. [Speaker 1] (46:21 - 53:52) Okay, so I wanna show this to the audience and I'll explain what this is on here in a moment. So yes, now it's probably been, yes, six weeks tomorrow, I got my breast implants removed that I had in for 20 years. So I got them at 23 and I got them out six weeks ago. And it was a very, it took me a while to get to the point of taking them out. Spirit told me in 2019 that they need to come out. I told them I wasn't ready. I said, you gotta come back with a deadline when I have no choice, because I don't wanna hear it right now. Talk about cognitive dissonance, right? I was like, I'm not ready to hear it. La, la, la, la, la. I can't hear what you're saying. So I literally was like, I'm not ready. I'm gonna have more fun with this. So they came back in around March, maybe of 2021. And I got the hit very clearly. And I was like, oh, here we go. So I started looking into it. And yeah, on September 3rd, went in for surgery. I was very scared. I was very nervous. And I think this is important for me to share this. Some people go in, they're just ready. They wanna feel empowered. I knew in my soul that it was the right thing to do for health. I did go through a major health crisis in 2017 that I'm still dealing with to this day with Lyme, Epstein-Barr mold, fungus candida, parasites, heavy metals. Bedridden for a year, slurring my words, neurological messed up, crawling on the ground. Brain fog so bad I could barely remember my name or my address, very scary. It's hard to understand unless you've gone through that. I know that was contracted for my soul experience to get me back in my body more. So the implants for me did not cause that. However, the implants did not help and only made everything that much worse because you have a foreign object in your body. And my body was putting so much energy into trying to make sure my immune system was okay for that, right? So, and then this leads to backup of lymph nodes, backup of hormonal problems, gut bacteria. It's just a domino effect. So I've learned so much about health. So I knew I needed to get these out, not because I would take them out and then voila, everything would be fine. It's that this is one piece of the domino and then I can then move on to other things. So I did know I needed to get them out, but if I'm being very, very honest, I was very scared about how I would look. This was my identity for 20 years. You have to think I was 23. So I then went through my awakening with this. I went through my health crisis with this. I became, I feel like I became a woman with this in. So I did not know myself without this. I don't even remember the 23-year-old Danielle, right? All I remember is a 23-year-old Danielle, insecure and not liking herself, feeling that she needed to get these in. So I spent the summer going really deep into my inner child, healing the 23-year-old that felt that she needed these in the first place, that felt that her body wasn't acceptable, that her breasts weren't okay just the way they were and really going to dark places. And it was a lot of tears and it was a lot of fear. And I'm gonna tell you, it wasn't until the day before of my surgery when I met the doctor, because she's so busy that I only talked to the office manager, but she's one of the top people in the field. So I trusted and I worked with spirit to come to that decision. So her name is Dr. Feng, F-E-N-G, and she's in Cleveland, Ohio, if anyone wants to know. So it wasn't until the day before the surgery that I had this peace in my heart and I said, okay, I'm making the right decision, I know. And, but that being said, I went in, my friend couldn't come in because of like all the COVID stuff. So I'm there literally on the, in the bed, getting hooked up and I am crying hysterically because I'm like, I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna have butchered breasts, I'm gonna look ugly, you know, like everything. And I, it's important that I share that with people because people need to know the reality of this. I was so scared. I'm like, I cannot believe I'm doing this because I'm gonna wake up looking ugly. Okay. So I was crying my, I was crying so hard on the operating table that I was shaking, like giving myself an anxiety attack. And I don't really ever have anxiety attacks, but I was giving myself one because I was so scared because I didn't, I felt ready. And then I was like, no, no, no, no, I'm not ready. You know, but even though my soul knew, it was telling me and I'm, I was preparing for three months to wake up. And the first moment I woke up, I thought I was gonna cry because here I am, I'm Danielle and now, because you have to understand when they take out implants, it doesn't mean your boobs are just gonna go back to the way they look. They have to completely restructure them. And sometimes they're wrinkled from the implant. Sometimes they're indented in, sometimes it takes a while for the breast tissue to fluff up. So I've seen a lot of pictures of women and I was very scared. So I prepared myself for three months, knowing that like, one, I don't even know what size I'm gonna be. And two, they can be indented in and I can look butchered. And when I woke up from the surgery, the first thing I heard when I was coming back was my higher self said to me, thank God those were out. And all of a sudden I dropped back in my body and I'm gonna cry now saying it because it was so beautiful. I dropped in my body and I felt this block move that I didn't even know there was a block there. And I felt so deeply connected to my body that I've never felt, that I didn't even know was missing before. And then I started to cry. And I wasn't crying because of sadness, I was crying because I was so happy to be free. I didn't know I was not free before, but I can't explain. When they took it out, I was all of a sudden, I was like, this is me, it's me. And then the doctor, and then the funny part is I was so high because I was so drugged up and I was in a lot of pain. So she gave me more meds. And then I started giving a psychic reading to the nurse. It was so funny. I started giving her a psychic reading and she was like, tell me more. I'm like, I'm sorry, it's just coming out because I'm really high right now. And so she's like, I love it. So it was great. So that was funny. But then I actually, the doctor came in and showed me a picture of me. And she said to me, she's like, honey, you're gonna love this. She's like, you look really good. And I saw myself and I was like, oh my God, like that's me. And it definitely was a big recovery. I'm not gonna lie, the pain was worse than I thought. However, I am so happy now that I took these out. And every day I get to reconnect with myself in a way that I didn't before. And I tell people, I did not get this for a man. I think that's a lot of the things people ask like, oh, did you get this for a man? Or no, I didn't get this for a man. It's even worse. I did this and I betrayed my own self-love because I felt that I wasn't good enough. Now, I'm not saying that if someone wants to do that, it all depends on what perspective you come from. But I didn't come from the right place. I came from fear, lack, doubt, and I was 23, I've changed so much. And it's just been this beautiful journey of now I am loving myself. It's very different for me to look at myself, but here's the beauty is that I thought I would hate myself or I thought it would make me feel like I'm ugly. And it's like, no, nothing has changed. I'm still me. I'm still smart ass saying the same shit, getting the same downloads, even getting more. And to me, I'm actually more beautiful because it's natural and it feels so good to be me. [Speaker 3] (53:53 - 53:55) Thank you so much for sharing that. [Speaker 1] (53:55 - 54:02) You're so welcome. Thank you for allowing me to share that with you guys because I think it's so important, male, female, people need to hear this. [Speaker 3] (54:03 - 54:36) Yeah, no, I fully agree with you. And being someone who's been in the alternative health world for a really long time, and I've always just kind of explored and studied things. And I have friends that have had them and taken them out. I have another friend who's creating a documentary on it or has created a documentary on it called X-Plant. Shout out to Sherry. Cause I just think it's something that I think more people need to know about, especially from the potential health complications you can be going through and having these experiences and not knowing that maybe this thing that's inside of you is, I'm not gonna say is the sole cause, cause I don't, but it is. [Speaker 1] (54:36 - 54:42) For some people it is. For some people, their face blows up, they get rashes everywhere. So everyone's different, but so yeah. [Speaker 3] (54:43 - 55:01) Yeah, no, everyone's different. And it's just like, this could be impacting you and they don't even know. Just like we talk about like the ignorance, like you don't know something until you know it. So even with this world today, we're dealing with the vaccine, is that there are people who get it and then they're like really sick, like a month later or two weeks later. [Speaker 1] (55:01 - 55:02) And they can't put it together. [Speaker 3] (55:02 - 55:03) They can't connect the dots. [Speaker 1] (55:04 - 55:04) Right. [Speaker 3] (55:04 - 55:09) And so something that is almost like so close to you, that you can't make that connection. [Speaker 1] (55:10 - 55:47) On your heart chakra as well. And if you think about, their lymph nodes all gather around here. So imagine this stopping. I mean, I had to, I know Holly. Holly is my massage therapist because I would go to her once a week right before COVID happened because I was so sick and so backed up. I mean, people are like, oh, that's a luxury. No, it's not a luxury spending about $300 every week because you blow up and I look like a blowfish and I wouldn't look like myself. She knows I was in so much pain. She saw my journey and I would have to go to her because it wasn't for pleasure of me just relaxing. It was that I could not function if I didn't go to her. [Speaker 2] (55:48 - 55:49) It's important. [Speaker 1] (55:49 - 55:50) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (55:50 - 56:17) And like, you're never aware of how burdened your system might be because you're just in it, you know? And I love that you said that, you mean spirit told you and got the call from spirit. And I feel like we all get that, but often what the call is, is too difficult. We think like we're never going to be able to go through with that, but then we avoid the call. And then in avoiding the call, we disconnect from that voice. We disconnect from spirit. [Speaker 1] (56:18 - 57:18) It was so strong. I couldn't ignore it. I could not, I know myself. My connection is too strong that when something comes through, I could not, but I understand that most of us do. And I did for a little while too, but it got, it was so strong. It's like, I knew I did not have a choice. I knew. And they even told me that, I won't even get into who came through. It doesn't matter. It's neither here nor there. But spirit came through and is like, we knew you were going to get it in. And we knew you were going to get it out. It's part of your journey. And so that's why I also want to say there is no shame if anyone has them. I am never here to shame people. I'm only here to enlighten you because the doctors will tell you this is safe. There's no way a foreign object with over 60 or so metals, heavy metals are safe in your body, on your heart chakra, blocking everything. It's a foreign substance in your body. And also this one was in my right side. And so you can see, so this one's clear. You can see how this one has all this stuff on it. This one was calcified. So this was sitting in my body, which means the material and the fluid inside was leeching onto the outside. [Speaker 2] (57:19 - 57:19) Wow. [Speaker 1] (57:19 - 58:03) I shouldn't even be touching these to be honest, but this was sitting in my body. And so what happens is your body forms a capsule, scar tissue around it right away because your body knows that there's a foreign object. So it has to prepare. So you have to go to a doctor that knows how to take the scar tissue and the capsule out. And some doctors here like in Beverly Hills and wherever that only put them in, don't even know. They say, oh, it's fine. You don't need to take the capsule out. Are you kidding me? The capsule is what's toxic and the capsule is what's holding all the heavy metals and preventing it from leaking into your body. But my capsule had holes all over it. Some people, their capsule is solid and you can like break it in half and you can hear the crunch because it gets calcified. But mine was soft and thin and there were holes all over it for 20 years. That means all of this was just leeching in my body. [Speaker 2] (58:03 - 59:21) Wow. And like, we make these decisions at an age and at times in our lives when we don't really know who we are and we don't really realize what we want from life or we don't understand consciousness. And the other major impact which I've come to learn of this simply because of my wife's work as a birth builder is the potential impact on future breastfeeding. If a woman wants to be a breastfeeding mother in the future which is such an incredible rite of passage, then these girls and these women go and perform this surgery and they cut themselves off potentially from ever having to experience that rite of passage. And no one makes them aware. No one informs them. And again, it comes back to being informed, right? Because we have all these doctors and surgeons and they just want to administer and do and perform what it is that they're trained to do. But the right information isn't provided to us at the time when we need it to go and make these decisions. And I mean, we can apply this conversation to vaccines as well, right? We're not informed, but imagine how much heavier the burden would be waking up to what you've done after getting a vaccine. Because this isn't something that you can just remove from your body, right? [Speaker 1] (59:21 - 1:02:02) Yep. Well, I want to share two things. One, I got a vaccine, two vaccines to go to Bali in 2016 to be safe because I know my body and I'm super sensitive. So I was drinking the Kool-Aid too. And I was like, oh, well, vaccine, I'm just going to get the vaccine to be safe. And even though my friend's like, I don't think you should do that. I feel like that's bad. And again, this is before I was fully conscious of this. And I said, oh, well, I'm just so sensitive. It's better safe than sorry. Not thinking there could be a side effects to that. Well, it took about nine months later. And in 2017, that's when my body absolutely collapsed. So, you know, we all could have Lyme, but not everyone is going to have the Lyme symptoms and go through that. My system could not tolerate it anymore. The amount of heavy metals that the doctors, the naturopathic doctors found in my body, they couldn't even believe I was alive. And of course they know it was from the vaccine, right? So it just put me on a tipping point that my body could not handle anymore. And you have to understand that was just the perfect storm waiting in your body. So when these people, not to scare people, but it's actually ignorant to be like, oh, I got it and I'm fine. You have no idea what it's doing in your body. Do you know what it's doing to your blood? My dad, months later, just got a blood clot. He was in the hospital from it. I told him it was from this. He knew, he went to the hospital, they gaslighted him and he comes back. He's like, it's not from this. I got it months ago. It couldn't have happened, right? So people don't, that shows me that people don't understand health. And I don't blame them in a way because we're taught to give our health away to the doctors with the white coats. And it wasn't until I went through my major health crisis that I had to learn. I brought myself back from crawling on the ground and I did not go through Western medicine because I was doing that in the beginning. And then I saw it was making me more sick and spirit told me right away to stop. So it was a journey. The other thing I want to say with the implants is the only thing that they told me, I asked if these were safe, I remember. And again, different consciousness 20 years ago, okay? The only thing the doctor said is, oh, they're totally safe. The only thing you might not be able to do is breastfeed. So he did tell me that, but most doctors, you're right. They don't tell people that. So I'm glad we're talking about it. But when I was 20, I said, oh, who cares? I don't care to breastfeed. I'm 20 years old or 23 or whatever it was, you know? So I didn't care, but I do know some friends that had implants and they did breastfeed, but then it makes you wonder, well, if this is so close to the milk ducts and the materials are leaching, what do you think it's doing right to that? So part of me getting this out is because I know that I have a daughter coming in probably a year-ish, a year and a half. And I knew that they're trying to get my body good. So I did not want to breastfeed with this in at all. [Speaker 3] (1:02:03 - 1:02:03) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:08) Powerful stuff here. [Speaker 3] (1:02:08 - 1:02:50) Yeah, it's really powerful stuff. And I just, again, like Joel, what you said, information, information, like, you know, we talk about informed consent as a big like hot button issue in the vaccine world. And it's just like, for so many medical procedures, like are people getting the full story? Are they getting the full picture? Are our parents, you know, day one of birth being like, okay, we're about to inject your child with something called hepatitis B vaccine. These are the ingredients. Like, this is one question that I ask people all the time when I get into these debates, I go, okay, can you tell me each ingredient that is in this vaccine or that vaccine? And tell me how each one of those ingredients takes me closer to health. [Speaker 1] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:02:51 - 1:02:53) And then I just... [Speaker 1] (1:02:53 - 1:02:56) They say, oh, it's such a small amount. It's such a small amount. [Speaker 3] (1:02:56 - 1:02:57) Okay, fine. [Speaker 1] (1:02:57 - 1:02:57) It's a small amount. [Speaker 3] (1:02:58 - 1:03:06) Then I go, okay, if it's such a small amount, can you show me the studies that show the cumulative impact of all these small amounts and what impact they have on the body? [Speaker 1] (1:03:07 - 1:03:07) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:03:07 - 1:03:38) No answer, because there aren't any. Oh, can you then show me all the studies that say the order that these vaccines are given to children and what impact they have by the order, you know? But there isn't that. And so again, there's no informed consent. Any parent in their right minds, if they really got all the information and were able to unplug a little bit from these decades and decades of conditioning and indoctrination through every avenue, whether it's medicine, pharma, government, mainstream media, Hollywood, whatever the case may be, they would be making different decisions. [Speaker 1] (1:03:38 - 1:04:32) They would be horrified at what they did. And again, it's not their fault because they're indoctrinated and brainwashed, and it's very hard to get out of that, but they would be horrified. I mean, listen, I took myself to go get vaccines. You know, you have to get to the point where you stop blaming yourself because you were unconscious and you didn't know, and you have to start fixing it and just making it better. And you know, if you look at in 1986, they doubled the vaccine schedule and when did all the autism start happening? And what is autism? Where did that come from, right? Where are all these neurological disorders? It goes in the, it's the blood brain barrier, right? That's what, I was going through that when I was going through my Lyme. You know, it completely impairs your speech. And these children, if you think about all the people that are dying or getting sick from this vaccine, think about all the children that can't actually speak and can't say a single thing, it's heartbreaking. [Speaker 3] (1:04:33 - 1:05:03) It really is heartbreaking. And this is where like my righteous anger comes out. And it was why I do a lot of things that I do is a lot of it comes from that, you know, because I had my own history of injuries that I connect to vaccines as well when I was younger. Now I didn't get it to a place that was really, really, you know, like destabilizing, you know, like some other people that are more unfortunate, but still it's like, I've experienced some of the horrors of Western medicine. And so part of it guided me to being who I am today in the world. [Speaker 1] (1:05:03 - 1:05:38) Yep. I know everything we go through is teaching us. My health journey was the most horrific thing I've ever experienced. And still to this day, you know, I do, I take care of myself so well because of it to maintain and make sure that I'm good, but it was the most powerful and beautiful thing because because of that, I know how to take care of myself. So when people are freaking out, they need a detox. I mean, where are they going to go to, right? I'm the one that had to bring myself back from the dead. So it's like, they should, people need to start listening to the people that are healthy and what we did because there's a reason why we're like this. [Speaker 2] (1:05:39 - 1:07:04) Yep. Yeah, and these are the wounds that become our gifts and our wisdom. And most of the time we're able to offer this and speak of this because we have been through it because we figured these things out for ourselves and developed the self-responsibility and actual understanding. But I mean, you don't have to go through it. You can actually listen and you can learn and you can aid your intuition. And there are ways where you can gain information without having to go through the pain by watching Yamin and seeing what's going on. And I think this is something that we don't, it's missed so often. We sit there and we think it's never going to happen to me. So we just live our lives accordingly. But I just wish generally more people would navigate their lives through truth based on what other people have experienced as their truth. And we don't get to the point where we negate mothers, we negate children, we negate whoever's been through anything and we can actually observe reality and navigate our own lives accordingly. I mean, yeah, like it's quite extreme when you think about it, this realm that we're living in and the war that's actually taking place against us on so many levels. And the problem is it's sugarcoated. But when you call a spade a spade in terms of 72 vaccines before the age of 18. [Speaker 1] (1:07:05 - 1:07:05) Insane. [Speaker 2] (1:07:06 - 1:07:20) Yeah, insane. So from like, from your perspective, like this is quite an intense incarnation, right? Earth school, whatever it is, this is extreme soul evolution. We're not here to have a fucking pony ride on any means whatsoever. [Speaker 1] (1:07:20 - 1:07:25) I want a donkey right now. Could I request a donkey? I'm tired. [Speaker 2] (1:07:26 - 1:07:42) Like, how do you perceive this? I mean, we're navigating a lot here. We're in the middle of the most extreme and intense psychological warfare ever being conducted against the people right now as we speak, as we have this conversation. What's your perspective on all of that from the higher level? [Speaker 1] (1:07:43 - 1:09:01) Yeah, what's important, what's been coming through is that some of the most powerful people are here on this planet right now. And, you know, there's people that were, like all three of us in our power and we're gonna be stepping even deeper into realms that we didn't even know existed. So multiply, you have three of us and then you have everyone else speaking up. We incarnated for this. And obviously we have our own soul lessons as well, but, you know, it takes a certain kind of soul. I do believe there's a lot of unconscious people here. The majority of the world is unconscious and I believe they're just, you know, walking through younger souls. And I understand that, you know, everyone's on a different soul evolution so they can't see a lot of the things that we see, but that's why we're here, right? I'm not saying I'm here to save the day or you're here to save the day. We're here together to use our energy and our consciousness because we're powerful and that's where we're going. You know, earth is getting an upgrade and we have to abide by the karmic laws of mother Gaia because we're here. So what do you think is happening to us as well? So we're coming back online. Our consciousness is being flooded. That's why it's so important for all of us. We've all done shadow work and we continue to do shadow work because we need to become clearer vessels to hold that light and to hold that frequency everywhere. [Speaker 2] (1:09:03 - 1:09:08) Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt the collective is in the underworld at the moment. [Speaker 1] (1:09:08 - 1:09:08) Completely. [Speaker 2] (1:09:09 - 1:10:25) We're all in our own underworlds to various extents and we are going through an extreme shadow phase. And during that phase is when the hero is able to discover his own innate power. But that power is only discovered by recognizing the darkness that he has himself in through his, let me quote, poor, unslaved ignorance. Right? And it's such an interesting time because this plays out in all our personal lives as well as the collective lives. And so we're seeing people experiencing tumultuous relationships. We're seeing people awaken to the fact that they hate their job or they hate their relationship or they're so uncomfortable and they've just been bypassing their entire lives, being stuck in the routine, which all of a sudden is getting shaken up, right? So we're forced to look at things more clearer for the first time ever. And there's great power in wielding clarity at this time and wielding discernment and wielding courage to make the decisions which we've been avoiding for so long. And I know just personally, I feel like I've stepped much deeper into authenticity than I ever could have if this event didn't take place. [Speaker 1] (1:10:26 - 1:10:27) 100%. [Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:28) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:10:28 - 1:11:03) It's wild to think about the you before this and the you now, right? And it's beautiful to see what we've all gone through and where we're going and it's only gonna get even deeper. And I actually see very clearly from at least my soul journey, I can see very well why I was not in a relationship before because of how much has changed in 2020 for me. And now it's like, that person's gonna be, we're at the same level now because it could have never worked before. And granted, people can grow and change together, but I see that wasn't my path. [Speaker 2] (1:11:04 - 1:11:30) Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting how those who are in a real authentic hero's journey and are connected, they can look at the things that did and didn't happen in their lives and realize the higher purpose of it all and realize if one of those things changed, the entire culmination of who you are in this specific moment of time and space would be different, right? And why would you want it to be different? If you have self-love. [Speaker 1] (1:11:31 - 1:12:36) Totally. I was told by spirit, I think it was early thirties, that my love for me in a relationship, it was coming later in life. And I'm like, oh, that's a tough pill to swallow in your early thirties. Then you're like, well, then what's the point? Am I going to date someone if it's not going to go anywhere, right? It's hard, but then it really forces you to be in the moment and to get the lessons and really connect with people for just that without having ulterior motive, right? So that was hard, but I can see now why, right? I can see everything I went through of part of why it needed to be later in life for my soul journey. And so again, I share that openly with people because I think there's so much comparison of why is this someone not married yet? Why don't they have a kid, right? But we all have our own soul journeys. Like, this is not what Danielle chose. This is what my soul chose. Danielle was like, what the fuck is this bullshit? Right, you know? But that's ego. But my soul had a different plan and my soul has a journey. And so once you understand that, it's just coming back into balance between your ego and the soul and really coming to a coherence and a peace with that. [Speaker 2] (1:12:36 - 1:12:44) Yeah, definitely. I mean, sorry, just quickly, there's an incredible barometer and metric now for relationships, right? [Speaker 1] (1:12:45 - 1:12:48) Oh, two seconds, you can tell. Two seconds. [Speaker 3] (1:12:49 - 1:13:09) That's what I was gonna say as well. I mean, to that degree. And also just in general, when you're on that path of truth and especially like what these last couple of years have forced people to go into, the people that come into your life from this place, the alignments that are made, the connections that are made are on a whole nother level. [Speaker 1] (1:13:10 - 1:13:10) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:13:10 - 1:13:23) I've met the most incredible. I've been fortunate. I've had some amazing people in my life, but this last year, year and a half, I've met some incredible people. What are you laughing at over there? Are you making fun of me? I love it. You know what I'm laughing at. [Speaker 1] (1:13:23 - 1:13:24) Is that when you two met? [Speaker 3] (1:13:24 - 1:13:43) Oh yeah, oh yeah. I know what he's laughing at because Joel and I, we have like our things that we bring up often. And this is why one thing that I bring up often. So it's just like, I've just met some great, amazing people, you know? It's been really cool. You know what I mean? Joel's one of them. You're another one of them, you know? And we just met recently. [Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:44) I know, I loved it. [Speaker 3] (1:13:45 - 1:14:11) Through a mutual friend. And the mutual friend we met because I think you shared a clip from our podcast. And I think she told me, she's like, oh, I think like I told her like, oh, I saw that she posted it. I was like, I know that guy. And so like, it's just amazing how the connections are made. I could be wrong in the story, but I thought that's what she told me. She was just like, yeah. Yeah, so I just think it's amazing. And I love connecting with new people and to connect on this level. It's just, it's incredible. [Speaker 1] (1:14:11 - 1:14:26) Our tribe is coming together now, our community, our soul family. We've been spread out throughout all over the world and we are powerful. So we're lighting up and we're finding each other. It's beautiful. It's really just, it's everything. I feel like we've been desiring. [Speaker 3] (1:14:26 - 1:14:47) I want to kind of flip it and bring it back to things astrological. Yeah. Like what in the stars or what's going on, like what's happening now. And then even going into next year that you see, like, what do you see happening? And I'm not saying I'm going to hold you to it that you're predicting the future, but like, what do you feel is going to be going on? [Speaker 1] (1:14:47 - 1:20:11) Well, I'm actually in the middle of writing the 2022 forecast right now. So I don't have all the answers, but I do know a couple of things, but I can talk about what's going through at the current and then leading into 2022. So basically right now, we're probably in the most pivotal time of the year. Next week on the, what is it? The 19th. So on the 19th, we enter the eclipse portal. Okay, so we have two more eclipses this year. Let me give you the dates right now. They are November 19th and December 4th. So as I see eclipses, the energy of the portal opens up about a month before, and that's when activity starts really happening and things start shifting. Eclipses are basically game changers for the collective consciousness. So it speeds us up and it puts us on a new timeline. So things, this is where people get married, people get divorced, like sudden things happen because it's like the universe comes in, it's a clock in the sky and it tells us, okay, what time is it? And this needs to shift and this needs to change. So totally speeds things up. Big events happen. So next week, and it's also the full moon, so we're going to start feeling the energy come in. November 19th, like I said, and then December 4th. We do have eclipses every six months, and then they have about a six-month journey until the next one, okay? So that's when the unfolding happens. So this one is at 27 degrees of Taurus, which could be about the land, food, finances, money, right? There could be stuff with bad weather as well. And then we have another one in Sagittarius. I'm actually very curious to see what the travel situation is going to be like around the December 4th eclipse. Because I said, and I did the blueprint in January of 2021, I said, it's either going to be, they're going to flip it and it's going to open it, or they're going to like lock it down even more. So, because it's Sag, it's about travel. So I'm very curious to see what that's going to happen. Also, we have the theme for 2021 was the Saturn-Uranus squares. So Saturn is the old and the rules and the regulations, and Uranus is the new and all about the revolution, shaking things up. Those two planets have been at odds with each other, forming a square. When you have a square, they put tension on each other. So that happened in February, June, and the last one is on December 24th, so Christmas Eve. And that is what, again, I told people in January, this is going to be about revolution, people taking to the streets, protesting, rioting, picketing, just really clashing and fighting. I mean, you're going to see a divide of like anti-this or non-this, mask or no mask, Republican, Democrat. It's a very much of odds of fighting. But I also said the good news of this, and this, when I was giving the 2021 blueprint in January, I got the download as I was writing this, is that this is what's going to wake people up, because it is, because people, when you have this much tension and people are fighting and screaming, and I want medical freedom, and no, you need to get this. Well, people start looking and saying, well, what's going on, right? So this is a revolution that's happening. So as we're building to eclipse season and the last Saturn-Uranus square of 2021, it's going to be dynamic, okay, so dynamic. Then in 2022, we're also building, and we've been since, I think that this was happening since 2020. There was, granted, there were other things going on that led to 2020, but the United States is having a Pluto return. So it's exact in February, February 20th of 2022, and then July, and then December as well. But here's the thing. Pluto is not just a one-hit wonder. It's a slow journey. And so as we've been moving forward, we're already in the Pluto process. Well, Pluto is complete destruction. It goes in, it pulls things out from the abyss, breaks it down, so it's like you're on the ground, and then you rise up from the ashes, okay? So it's powerful. So the fact that the United States is going through a Pluto return in Capricorn, which is about the governments, we're going to see more government breakdown. We're going to see more political structures breaking down. I mean, it's inevitable. Once you know the astrology, it's inevitable. These systems need to die. That's what Pluto is, literal death. It's death, a death of the old. So now what's very interesting with that is the collective North node, and the nodes are our collective destiny, they change signs in January. So it's moving into the North node is moving into Taurus, and the collective South node is moving into Scorpio. Well, Scorpio is very connected to Pluto. So we're going to see a lot of disclosures coming out, a lot of secrets coming out. Just wait until like even mid-year, next year, you're going to see a lot of shit coming out, secrets that were hidden. There's a lot of Scorpio and Pluto energy. So it's going to be coming out, and it is not going to be pretty. We're going to be fine with popcorn, right? But the other people, they're going to be crying. No, I loved you, and I believed you, and you told me this was safe, right? Just wait for the shit to come through. It's going to happen. [Speaker 3] (1:20:11 - 1:20:11) But you know what? [Speaker 1] (1:20:11 - 1:20:38) And here's the thing I want to add real quickly. There's also a human timeline. I can't exactly say, because these tyrants block everything and censor everything. So maybe it takes a little bit longer to come out. That's actually very valid as well, because they're getting in the way of everything. So, you know, like the timing of it, that's what the astrology unleashes, but then the humans, let's see what they do with it as well. [Speaker 2] (1:20:38 - 1:21:37) And also what we're being fed, what we see is like delayed compared to what's actually happening behind the scenes. So like things could already be collapsing and falling. We don't know what facades are being presented to us most of the time. We didn't really know. That's so interesting how you mentioned that the US is in a Pluto return. So from my perspective, we all, each of us have personal years and personal timelines based on our true numerology, which can provide us information about the year, energetically, what we can expect, et cetera. So, and this is calculated by understanding our birth day and our birth month. And then you add the current year. So America is in the 13 year, which is ruled by the death card, which is ruled by Pluto, which is ruled by Scorpio. It's crazy how the numerology and the- That is amazing. Yeah, so this is the destruction that we're witnessing right now. [Speaker 1] (1:21:37 - 1:21:39) Yep, it is actual death, yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:21:40 - 1:22:01) And so from that perspective, next year, that puts America into Sagittarius, into the card of temperance. So there could be a revival of the hero coming next year and perhaps even deeper understanding. But again, we'll see what happens, but it was just interesting to me how that was aligned. [Speaker 1] (1:22:02 - 1:22:07) Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. That is so, it's so beautiful to see the overlap and how everything is connected. [Speaker 3] (1:22:08 - 1:22:15) Yeah, definitely. What are you excited about most in your life? Like going forward? [Speaker 1] (1:22:16 - 1:23:08) Ooh, on a personal level or just- Yeah, yeah, on a personal level. I'm actually excited. I did, I don't, it's very private and people don't know, but, and I'm keeping it private, but I met someone that I'm actually very interested in. And it's been a while since I felt that there's something about someone that could actually be something, and just very real. And we have a really beautiful heart connection that's growing. And I'm actually really excited about that. And I'm going to allow it to be whatever it is because I understand that sometimes things last forever and then sometimes they don't and it doesn't make it any less important. I'm just happy that we were to meet when we did and just exploring and getting to know him. And it's been really beautiful. [Speaker 3] (1:23:08 - 1:23:10) Yeah, thank you so much for sharing that. [Speaker 2] (1:23:11 - 1:23:29) Yeah. Yeah. Awesome, it's like, we struggle to have the experience without having the whole, bringing all our, everything that we expect into the future, et cetera, et cetera. But there's so much to be gained just from having an experience, letting things be for what they are. So yeah, that is very beautiful, I agree. [Speaker 1] (1:23:30 - 1:24:32) I'm learning so much about my own, what was my own wounds, versus is this something that's actually he's doing, right? Or is this my wounds, right? And then how do I move through that? And then how do I talk about it? So I've actually learned such beautiful lessons and it's just been, there's a lot of respect and the way we've handled things that have come up. It's just been really beautiful. Like we just had a conversation recently and I was just like, oh, okay, this is, it's just going to be done. I just, I don't know. I just, based on everything in the past with like all my past relationship, I'm like, oh shit, okay. I'm just like preparing for it to be done. And it actually turned out to be a really beautiful conversation of like me just being very honest and setting some very strict boundaries and stating exactly what I want and I need and how I felt. And it was just really beautiful. I couldn't honestly, like it went better than I thought. I kept like, my job was like, I'm like, wow, is this like a real like adult relationship? Like, holy shit. [Speaker 2] (1:24:32 - 1:24:33) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:24:33 - 1:24:35) We can actually work this out. This is great. [Speaker 3] (1:24:35 - 1:24:37) Yeah. It's shocking. It's shocking, right? [Speaker 1] (1:24:37 - 1:24:40) It's shocking. Yes. Very shocking. [Speaker 3] (1:24:40 - 1:25:05) We talk so much about truth and seeking truth, you know, but I feel like in a relationship, like being able to truthfully express your needs and what you want, as opposed to, wait, I'm feeling and wanting all these things, but I'm not going to say these things because if I say these things, then something's going to happen. You know? So I just like, again, it's like, let's start with truth within ourselves and within our intimate relationships, first and foremost, you know? [Speaker 2] (1:25:05 - 1:25:27) But I bet it starts with each individual realizing why am I scared to speak my truth without it being the other person is oppressing me from speaking my truth. No, it's usually, it's your shit that's stopping yourself. And then we just project it onto the other because we are scared of the fallout from having a truthful conversation because of our wounds, you know? [Speaker 1] (1:25:27 - 1:26:02) Absolutely. And that's what I went through too. And I was like, am I scared to say because I'm afraid to lose him because of based on the past, right? And so I had to work through that. And he even said to me, you know, thank you for being so like eloquent in expressing everything that you said. And I said, oh, you know, that's just because I waited. Trust me, if this was a week before I would have ripped your fucking head off. But like, I knew enough to know to not do it at that moment because I knew that was coming from my wounds, not my heart. So I waited till I could get that out of me because that's not his problem, right? And then talk to him from my heart because that's my truth. [Speaker 3] (1:26:02 - 1:26:20) Yeah. I mean, I'm such a lover of truth. I mean, it's in my design, it's in fucking probably all the things. And like in my partnership, even with my wife, it's like, I need to know what you're feeling. You know, I need to know the truth. Like I'm here, I'm not leaving you. You know, just like- Well, you guys have that established. [Speaker 1] (1:26:20 - 1:26:24) This is still new, right? And so- No, of course. That's beautiful that you have that. [Speaker 3] (1:26:24 - 1:27:09) But in general, you know, it's like, I want to know the truth, you know, even with friends. Like Joel and I, we kind of laid something down in the beginning of our partnership. You know, we met, what, in March and like we started this venture together. And it was like, bro, I can handle anything you say to me. Like, just tell me what's up and vice versa. And I just think it's important to lay that on the line. If you have the ability within yourself to hold space for it. Unfortunately, not everyone has space for it, you know? So there is that, wait, are they going to have space for what I have to say to them? Which is rational, you know, that's the way it is. But at the end of the day, you lay it on the line and then you find your answer. You find out the truth right away. Is this a person who can hold me in my fullness or not? Then I know, okay, well, I don't need to pursue this anymore because they can't even do this basic thing. [Speaker 1] (1:27:10 - 1:27:10) Absolutely. [Speaker 3] (1:27:11 - 1:27:12) Just allow me to be truthful. [Speaker 1] (1:27:13 - 1:27:52) Totally. And that's the thing is I, I've been so independent for so long. So that's why I'm learning so many lessons with this experience. And it's beautiful because I'm also coming about it from like, you know, what do I desire? I desire a true, deep, intimate relationship based on honesty and intimacy. So that means I'm showing up fully and saying, you know, this hurt my feelings when you did that. And without saying it like that, but like my feelings were hurt, right? And this is why, right? And let's have a conversation about it. And it was beautiful. And I was met with so much compassion, so much understanding and so much love. And that's actually what builds intimacy to go even deeper with each other. [Speaker 3] (1:27:52 - 1:27:54) Yeah, I agree 100%. [Speaker 1] (1:27:54 - 1:27:54) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:27:55 - 1:28:02) It's like the next level of bonding. When you work through something and you see each other in a new light. And then it's like, okay, now we can go deeper. Now we can go deeper. [Speaker 2] (1:28:04 - 1:28:12) Yeah, that's awesome. So like we mentioned earlier before we started that your personality sign in human design is a 23. [Speaker 1] (1:28:13 - 1:28:14) And- Yeah, tell me about me. [Speaker 2] (1:28:14 - 1:28:34) This translates into your gift in Gene Key, which is 23. And so each of the Gene Keys, they come with a bit of an archetype as well. So your archetype is what's known as the translator. And this is just, it's so fitting. It's mind-boggling, but I mean, it's never surprising. [Speaker 1] (1:28:34 - 1:28:34) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:28:35 - 1:29:44) This archetype translates inspiration as inner knowing into language. The translator gives voice to received insights. She is here to express individual understanding that brings new innovative ways of thinking and understanding into the collective. She is not afraid to shake life up and instigate new perspectives. Often with a glimpse in the eye, her grand statements can come right out of the blue and make everyone notice and take notes. She is a proponent of radical measures, eager to see people thinking in new ways and embracing new approaches and ways of seeing the world. The translator is attuned in the present moment and feels the right moments were advised in a direct and efficient way. Things that were problems somehow dissolve in the relaxed presence of the translator. So I just think it's so fitting the entire story and the entire theme of this podcast has been these intuitive insights that you've had and this inner knowing, which comes forth through you to be translated. And I mean, there's no doubt that you were born with this gift and to give this gift and to be of service in this way. So I just, yeah, it's one of those things, you know. [Speaker 1] (1:29:44 - 1:29:49) Thank you for sharing that. I love hearing things from a different perspective. And was that Gene Keys? [Speaker 2] (1:29:50 - 1:29:51) Yeah, that's Gene Keys. [Speaker 1] (1:29:51 - 1:29:57) Yeah, that Gene Keys is so powerful. It honestly makes my head explode every time. It's so amazing. [Speaker 2] (1:29:57 - 1:30:44) Yeah, definitely. Danielle, such a pleasure to share the past year and a half with you. We're so glad we're able to make this work and have these conversations. I think it's so important for us as individuals to come together and offer our different perspectives and experience those interactions, especially at this time, because we all have such incredible ways of being in service now by stepping deeper into our authenticity and fulfilling these deeper roles that we came here to fulfill. And the fact that now we can sit in different parts of the world and do this together after all the experiences you may know of life to come together at this point and have these conversations. It's, yeah, it's something I'm extremely grateful for. And so thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:30:45 - 1:30:49) Thank you so much for having me on. It was honestly an honor to speak with both of you. [Speaker 3] (1:30:50 - 1:31:17) Yeah, thank you so much. Everything that Joel said, I echo. And I just love being able to have these conversations. You know, this is one of the beauties of having a platform like this is just connecting with different people and sharing their stories and allowing people like the public and our patrons to just get a little insight onto other cool things that are happening and the things that are happening in your life and what you have to offer. So I'm psyched that we connected. I love that you're in Los Angeles, hopefully the longer, but if you end up leaving, it's all good, we're connected. [Speaker 1] (1:31:17 - 1:31:18) Yes. [Speaker 3] (1:31:18 - 1:31:19) We'll see what happens. [Speaker 1] (1:31:19 - 1:31:20) Thank you. [Speaker 2] (1:31:22 - 1:31:31) Guys, go check out Danielle. She's on Instagram at I am Danielle Page. Go check out that website. It's daniellepage.com. Is that right? [Speaker 1] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:31:32 - 1:31:55) Awesome. Thank you so much for listening to our patrons. We really appreciate you. We appreciate the support. 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