Kerry Boytzun NLP and Descendants of Atlantis

[Speaker 2] (0:00 - 1:32) You are now listening to the here for the truth podcast hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stilionesis All right, everybody welcomes episode 42 of here for the truth podcast I'm Joel Rafiti and as always I'm with my co-host here Erasmus Stilionesis Now quickly before we get into today's guests in case you missed the announcement and the news We are again a public and free podcast and retro retrospectively all our full episodes are available on YouTube And by the time you hear this, they will be on all other platforms as well This was a decision that Erasmus and I were contemplating for a while and we decided we just need to stick true to our mission Which is making the truth as mainstream as possible and honestly it excites us more than anything else To be able to share this information and to release these episodes completely free to the public So go check those out for sure This doesn't signify the end of Patreon We're working on other benefits for our Patreon community We'll be getting early access, we'll still be doing our community calls And we're gonna work on some other exciting things to offer you guys that do support us And we do really appreciate the support and the continued support And yeah, that's the announcement and thank you so much And without further ado, Erasmus is gonna introduce today's guest, Kerry Boydson [Speaker 3] (1:32 - 3:51) Alright, we got a special guest, Kerry Boydson with us today I just happened to finish reading his amazing novel about a week ago, it was pretty incredible But anyways, I'll just get into talking about his bio a little bit and then we'll get into this So Kerry, he was born in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada And then he went to Vancouver, British Columbia in 1991 Ended up joining the NLP Institute of Canada and received training by the world-famous Marilyn Atkinson Also in Vancouver, he met some ex-bankers who introduced him into becoming a conspiracy analyst He was trained in Vancouver on how to develop one's intuition so as to channel And by channeling, communicating with sources of hunches directly In 2007, he was looking for something interesting to write fiction-wise And was looking for a story world to create He ran into Michael Tesarian's recorded video about Atlantis And then started investigating more and more and got hooked He got Michael's Atlantis book, then his Irish Origins book, watched his Oracle series And joined Michael's periscope's mystery school Kerry then taught himself how to develop fictional stories and write scenes Over many years, he ended up with his novel called Descendants of Atlantis That was released on Amazon last year You can find Kerry and his blog at www.descendantsofatlantis.com And I will be the first one to say that what a ride this book was I have not read fiction in a long time And I just flew through the book The stories were awesome, the characters were amazing There was suspense, it was cool And based on alternative historical research So I think, why don't we just start there? Why don't we start talking about a little bit about what we talked about in the bio here What was it about Michael's work? And your journey of exploring all this history That lit you up and was like, aha, that's what I want to do this on This is really cool [Speaker 1] (3:53 - 11:33) Well, first, I'm really grateful and appreciative to you both, Joel and Yerasmus For having me on It's a blessing to have people interested in the novel I guess myself as well, kind of hand in hand Let's see As the bio suggests, I've had a As one of my NLP mentors said You prefer to catch the ride on the train by jumping head first to the engine And, you know, holding on And that's pretty much how I do everything, I'm very intense And with the so-called conspiracy analyst stuff I had, 1996 we were in Cancun, we met David Icke David Icke started telling us off the record a lot of his adventures Of things going on Which one of them included people who had confided in him about seeing reptilians I had a friend out here, I moved to Kentucky in 1994 There's a friend out here who has seen outside his windows What he called demons or devil, I just call them, you know, sounds a lot like a reptilian I've had my own paranormal experiences where, you know, I was 4 years old And then later, in actually 1991 or 2, I saw the same being again And I got friends who, a friend of mine when he was about 12 or 14 or something like that He and his mother 2 nights in a row saw a gigantic spaceship over top of their houses in Pennsylvania So, then I had a sister who she had seen in Edmonton, Alberta And you see a lot of things with the sun As the sun is setting, its rays are coming obliquely at an angle And they will show you devices that are designed to hide So you can't see them straight on But if you're looking at them, you know how you look at something peripherally outside of your vision It'll catch your eye more than something right directly in your face And it's the same thing with that So she saw the triangular spaceship, the first triangular spaceships we saw on TV Were spaceships or ships like a pie That was actually in the X-Files The X-Files whistle blew a whole ton of stuff Ironically, at the same time when I was in Vancouver Kind of having my, I don't know, welcome to the, you know, taking all sorts of red pills And so as far as looking So I was thinking, well, yeah, I could go write non-fiction But, see, I ran into David Icke first and nothing against him But then I ran into Michael Tasarian Michael Tasarian, who was working with Jordan Maxwell and a host of others And he was involved heavily with psychology A lot of people say that, well, David Icke's into psychology But I've actually gone looking for articles And I don't see any specific articles about psychology Whereas Michael will get into Studiers, Freud, Young Freud's wife, if I recall You know, various other people, like a whole host litany of researchers And so while I was, see, at first I was looking for Ironically, I was going to go write I was watching the movie And I think it's the last movie we've seen about a strong female character One who uses her wits, one who uses her physical charms To do what needs to be done And that was Erin Brockovich And Erin Brockovich is essentially about Call it man versus the institution The institution, which is clearly evilly Just on the appearance trying to make money But really there's more going on with that And I thought, well, maybe I could do something like that And so I started actually investigating vaccines at the time Which was, this is, oh, I don't know, 2009-ish or something like that Or eight or whatever But I was also into Michael's research And I thought, well, let me just go for it You know, you get killed, you get killed And I thought, well, let's bring up this whole Dragon Court Let's bring up the Great Wives Club Let's bring up the whole litany of these characters Because no one else is writing about them They just have it, and not in a fictitious way And I was thinking of the success with the Da Vinci Code As far as getting people intrigued with the institution of Christianity Which is a completely different world Than one's personal use of collective religion And so I was thinking more and more about this whole Atlantis thing And then I was thinking, well, they must have died out But you've got these descendants left over Do you like what they've done with the place? And I'm thinking, yeah, okay, descendants of Atlantis I want to have a title that actually, at a glance, explains what it is Like Lord of the Rings, it's really a metaphor For a ring being an organization And the Lord lording over and manipulating such organizations These organizations are ancient cults And which Tolkien was talking about the same thing And so I thought, okay, well, let's rock and roll with that And then that took me into It's one thing to read, even my novel It's one thing to read my novel with the intent just to enjoy it It's another thing to read it with the intent to explain it to someone else Also, you've got to be focused, you've got to be making notes Because you might, at least to yourself, be going, well What do you mean by the Oh, the tunnels, where do these tunnels come from? And all of the things that he's got in the novel There's tunnels, there's aliens, there's There's Mach 3 trains Did he really dream all that stuff up? Did Jules Verne really dream up the submarine? Wrong answer, Sparky So no, no, no, no And so I kept adding as much as I could into this novel Which would hopefully compel someone to go Maybe he's crazy, but let's go and see what all that is The names of these characters, who is that? Meritottan Scotia Scota, I heard that In Canada, Scotiabank Scotland? No, it couldn't be, could it? No one would really, in plain sight, be hiding One of the main daughters of Akunaten Who, interestingly, who was it? Oh yeah, Freud Freud was warned by his colleagues Don't go write that book Which book? Oh, the one that Moses and Was it Moses and Akunaten? No, no, no It was Moses Yeah, but is that the title of the novel? [Speaker 2] (11:36 - 12:07) I'm not sure of the title name This is what I want to get into This is what I'm interested in I'm not personally, I'm not familiar with Michael's work on Atlantis And perhaps the listeners wouldn't be either So what I'm curious in is, what's the actual historical foundation For the book, in terms of Atlantis itself From the most basic level, what is the story of Atlantis? And from the perspective of the historical side of things Not necessarily your book, the premise of the book [Speaker 1] (12:09 - 17:07) Historically, the Atlantis or the Nephilim Those are the same race That came from the sky, the visitors from the sky They're known by other names, angels And so it appears that we have strange races In fact, so the foundation ultimately is that We have Homo sapien, Cro-Magnon man, for example Just kind of came out of nowhere And depending upon the dates given For the anthropological skeletal remains of, say, Cro-Magnon man That's so many thousands of years ago And it just appeared, just poof Like somebody threw them out of the airplane And there they are Whereas it doesn't jive or sync up with anything So you've got archaeological evidence of anthropological beings That all of a sudden appear out of nowhere You have geographical changes in the earth Where you have, say, the Rocky Mountains Very quickly were formed I think at the peaks of some of these newer mountain ranges You have the fossil remains Well, now they're fossil Of marine life that's there It's like, okay, it used to be marine Now it's not You know, it's just, do the math How'd that happen? You have mythology Which is a, the officials have decided You've got official history And then if it's anything older, it's mythology Because we said so Well, yeah, but the mythologists Or all those spoken stories They all across the world speak about a serpent race Doesn't mean that they're reptilian But serpent was wise And they're all over the place And they seem to have The dates seem to be about the same The ancient India Vedas Have their written text Which go and correspond with actual changes In the stars That they would go and see from The view of the horizon And they could tell using their math Of that kind of astrogeometry I suppose we call it That the earth's tilt on its axis has changed That lines up with With what appears to be Atomic In the fossil Geological strata There's atomic residue Which shows that there was a big atomic war of some sort Which goes along with the big mythologies And the religious texts Which are nothing more than talking about the old mythologies And it becomes one big whoop-de-doo There was a war And when was this war? This war appears to have ended about 10,000 B.C. And about the same time when it ends They've gone and messed around with the dates But about the time it ends Is when these so-called ice ages seem to be hovering around And it's like nothing to see here We've got ice ages which lasted forever But then a lot of scientists actually question that So it's very intriguing All of a sudden there was these nephilim that show up And the stories are that they were making Building, building I think that was actually in the Original Old Testament or something like that Races And so that sounds a lot like Making things in a lab Genome research, whatever you want to call it And hypothetically the reason was Is because they didn't bring any females with them So they couldn't make their own kind They tried to make their own kind But they were much taller and bigger Than the earthlings that were there at the time And so they burst out of their bodies Destroyed the mother upon birth And so then they started making races When you combine it all with a collage That's what it points at So the naysayers They typically go with Well, I don't believe it So that's my out I'm opting out because I don't believe it [Speaker 3] (17:07 - 17:22) So you're saying that these nephilim Atlanteans That through genetic manipulation Created more humanoid, human-like And also is there a secondary race Like the reptilians Are they both descendants of these nephilim? [Speaker 1] (17:23 - 17:32) Yes You know how in Lord of the Rings you had Where Tolkien wrote about They're making all these different races Such as Minotaur and all that sort of thing [Speaker 3] (17:32 - 17:34) Like the orcs and stuff [Speaker 1] (17:34 - 19:23) Yeah, we got that beyond Tolkien as well In fact, Neanderthal Neanderthal, Bigfoot, they're the same thing You start research You want to go on a wild ride You start looking at Bigfoot Of which, last I looked into it There were 50,000 tracks Tracks? Yeah, of which To digress a little bit on that Any There's a researcher that he passed away But he said that A track expert showed him How you could Like if you take your skin Your skin, when it goes into the earth It will make marks Tracks in the mud Which show as it flexes through it He says you can't do that with a rubber foot You just can't He says I can point it out to you Since it's night and day And they can tell by the gait And everything that The Neanderthal And the so-called Sasquatch In fact, you've got the Oh, a little bit on that You've got the That Super 8 film In the 60s Where it shows That's a female You can tell it's a female Because you can see her breasts She walks away quickly You know, and you can tell That her arms are much longer Than a human's Her gait is completely different And what they don't tell you There's always what's not What's omitted And what was omitted was that She walked across sand Yet the depth of her tracks Were something like an inch and a half Or two inches Whereas a 200-pound man Only went in a quarter inch They did the weight And they figured that she was Between 350 and 400 pounds They said if a man was carrying around 350 to 400 pounds of weight How far would he get in the woods? [Speaker 3] (19:24 - 19:35) Now, with these With the Sasquatch, the Bigfoot Is that like when you hear About people talking about In the truth community Like giants Is that similar Or is that a separate thing? [Speaker 1] (19:36 - 20:29) I think it's all It's like going back to Okay, did they make a bunch of races? It sounds like they did There are two stories of Atlantis There's one where They made their first race The Sons of the Serpent What became the Lemurians I've adopted that for the novel And the Sons of the Serpent Were like a blend Of the hominoids of Earth So they were in tune with nature And then they had the intellect Of the Atlanteans And they realized that The Atlanteans were psycho Ironically And this has been hinted at By Gene Roddenberry With the Vulcans The Vulcans are purely logic And if you've met anybody Who is purely logical They are very cold They might play chess like a bandit But they are very cold And they will end your life Without a moment's thought If it's logical And so [Speaker 3] (20:29 - 20:30) Kind of like Joel [Speaker 1] (20:32 - 22:39) There we go So Multiple races So the story goes With that version Is that The Sons of the Serpent They took off The Atlanteans didn't see that coming They took a bunch of their hardware with them They waited like 200 years Supposedly they lived 750 years And they took off To Oceania Which is in the Pacific Ocean Atlantis or Appalachia That continent was in the Atlantic Ocean The northern part of it Was actually the British Isles Which is why When they say go look west In fact the words to the song Of Stairway to Heaven Is talking about The West And that's west of Ireland Ireland is Ari land And the Ari is the Well the Atlanteans The Lemurians So They made another race This was called the Edemic Race The Edemic Race was deliberately dumbed down Made smaller Hello And Due to its broken DNA Some today's Alleged scientist calls it junk DNA You have a junk mind running around Who really has trouble Even us connecting too many dots And so That was all fine They had their labor force Back in gear But that The Lemurians Decided We're not going to take that line down So we're going to go and Steal as many as we can And So the Atlanteans decided This means war And they blew the place to bits And they sunk two or four continents Depending on how you look at it Geological And archaeological And geographical evidence Show that there are sunken continents And so you got that The other story [Speaker 2] (22:39 - 22:48) Hang on, so Kerry, what you're saying Is that, so you're saying that we We were a dumbed down Byproduct of genetic manipulation [Speaker 1] (22:49 - 23:21) Yeah, yeah In fact, it's even hinted at With the whole virgin story Jesus was born of a virgin Really So she didn't have sex, but magically She gave birth Okay, where Mary is an organization And Mary gave birth Without sex Meaning, out of the lab comes A race And I've been told, well that's pretty crazy I don't know if I can go with that kind of story Oh, so you're going to stick with the way in a manger Story then [Speaker 3] (23:21 - 23:35) Well also If I look around the world And what's going on today It sure seems like there's a dumbed down race I mean, you know [Speaker 2] (23:35 - 23:57) Yeah, I mean There's astro-theological explanations For the virgin story as well Which wouldn't Entail the genetic manipulation side But I mean, I'm open to it, man I'm not closing it off By any means We hear of Anunnaki As well in this picture Does this fall into the Nephilim Category as well? [Speaker 1] (23:57 - 24:53) I think Anunnaki and Nephilim are the same Yeah Yeah, there's various names Visitors from the sky It's just Cro-Magnon man Homo sapiens makes no sense at all Stop going along with the Official stories And the Official research They just showed up There's nothing there All of a sudden they're there They don't Darwin and his evolution Don't get me started on that Tell us But even he said it was Bilox And in fact they had a name for it Correct me if I'm wrong Before Or Whatever he was calling it I think it was There was kind of a darker word that they had for it I forget what it was It might have been eugenics, I don't know Anyhow [Speaker 3] (24:57 - 25:45) Can I just share something real quick? It's actually from Michael's website That kind of talks about this It's the quote from his Atlantis aliens Atlantis genetic manipulation It goes, in summary, it took man over a million years To progress from using stones As he found them To the realization that they could be chipped and flaked To better purpose It then took another 500,000 years Before Neanderthal man mastered the concept Of stone tools And a further 50,000 years Before crops were cultivated And metallurgy was discovered Hence, by all scales of evolutionary reckoning We should still be as far removed From any basic understanding Of mathematics, engineering, or science But here we are Only 7,000 years later Landing probes on Mars So how did we inherit this wisdom? And from whom? [Speaker 1] (25:45 - 25:54) That's from Lawrence Gardner Right, so clearly we have some Consultants out there It's interesting to think about Pardon? [Speaker 3] (25:55 - 25:58) It's interesting to think about Absolutely, right [Speaker 1] (25:58 - 26:46) And as I wrote actually an article in my blog About beliefs And they're talking about how Thinking is the act of Asking questions, really And so, unfortunately When we get to the The dumbed down batch of humans Which seems there's a good third And then you get another third Which is, I actually read an article which says You got a third out there which are just Total dumbasses, then you got another third Which go along with anything Pretty much, just to keep the status quo So they can keep their Barbecues and football games going Then you got the other third Which is very People that ask questions And at least get philosophical And ask Psychological questions [Speaker 3] (26:47 - 26:50) I have a little extra Nephilim DNA I think that's why [Speaker 1] (26:53 - 26:58) Why not? I feel like a bloody alien I mean, listen [Speaker 3] (26:58 - 27:02) You don't have to be an alien to write this book I'm just saying, dude [Speaker 1] (27:02 - 27:04) Look at that, that's thick [Speaker 3] (27:06 - 27:27) It's a thick book, but don't be scared of it It's a great book The font is not super small But not big either It's amazing, I highly recommend getting it Taking a few days and reading this This is so much fun to read You'll be really excited I can't wait until you write a sequel And then someone purchases the rights to it And makes a movie or series out of it [Speaker 2] (27:27 - 27:35) All right, so Can you please explain to us The beginning, the middle, the end, the major plot twists All the characters I'm joking [Speaker 3] (27:40 - 27:42) Okay, you go, Joel [Speaker 2] (27:42 - 27:56) I was going to say Obviously you have history Training, education with NLP What is NLP On the most basic, fundamental level For someone that's never heard I used to read that as before [Speaker 1] (27:57 - 29:31) Neuro-linguistic programming Got into it, started reading about it Around 1988 Or something like that Got trained in it up the wazoo in 1991 Neuro means the mind Linguistic is language Programming is programming Just like the computer You got a flowchart Enter this, do this If this happens, do that If that happens, do this Repeat as necessary It's the closest I've seen To a manual for the mind It was Created by Richard Bandler And John Grinder One of them was a behaviorist The other was a Computer programmer I think at the time And this is the 70s And so they took three Three people that they were aware of That could Fix anybody. One of them was Milton Erickson Which Erickson hypnosis Comes from. They asked these people How do you do it? And they go, I don't know They didn't. I just do it And so they started breaking things down Into procedures And they were Quite imaginative, quite creative And so Language Oh, I will say A lot of people, 99% Of the people out there blow off NLP Like nah, I don't need to know it I don't need to know how my mind works Because I can talk I can move my limbs And I've got opinions [Speaker 2] (29:31 - 29:36) Can you give us a basic example of how it's Applicable and how we can use it? Sure [Speaker 1] (29:38 - 34:09) You The One of the areas Where it's not really NLP But Court of law At least before it became so corrupt You had to go And You would have During a lawsuit, so to speak You would have The attorneys and eventually the judge Maybe a jury They would use whatever you said You made claims of It would be Analyzed As in what would a reasonable And rational thinking person Think about what you had to say They also They use dictionaries They have legal dictionaries In With the legal system, Black's Law Dictionary For one, there's some older ones And I should be talking about this a lot As of late I was telling some people the other day Because they wanted to deal with Being Forced to go along With the new Fake mandates and everything So I said, look You will not Succeed unless you Use their words Against them They're making a claim, you have to Deconstruct the claim And break down the word So what NLP does In a nutshell is And there's a lot of it A lot to it, more than just words There's behavior, there's touch There's different types Of To get into the senses Ironically, the sense You have the sensory faculties You have visual Visual eyes, auditory Hearing, kinesthetic touch And then But they also had at the time Digital, and I'm in This in 1991, digital Was kind of rare Everybody has all of these Faculties But Predominantly digital is taking Over, digital is literally Nothing but words You're not seeing, like a lot of people When they don't read fiction Because they do not visualize Imagine in their head what the Scene looks like, they just see a bunch of words And so imagine how exciting That is, right And so With NLP you Attack the claim Like what I Am blogging about is Using NLP to attack the claim That somebody says to see what is There. NLP starts off with If you can put it in a Wheelbarrow, an elephant can go in a Wheelbarrow, a whale can go in a Wheelbarrow, even a very large Wheelbarrow, because it's something that exists If it's not something that exists Then it's something that is done A verb Or you turn it into a verb. Sometimes you Have a lot of words out there which are nothing So then you've got to go break it down For example, I did a Like a pandemic, I did a Blog post on a pandemic Pandemic is nuts, right And ultimately so I Broke, and I don't just use legal Dictionaries and regular Dictionaries, I'll look at the entomology The Origin of words, and so pan Is all, so you have And then demic, actually I broke it down to Demise, so you have a large Demise Okay, of what Right, and this is if And so if I was in The courtroom, I would say, okay, you say there's a pandemic You have a large demise of what And you have to Be careful with today's Dictionaries, because they have a lot of Bullshit words in there, like you look Up pandemic, and they'll say, well, it's a Problem with the virus, and a this and a That, or really Who said, that's an opinion That's an opinion, just, well, it's part of a Virus, no, a pandemise Could be anything, the big Flood, back in the You know, in the bible, right, 40 days, 40 nights Of all this water, that's no virus That's an abundance of rain Or water, and so in this So again, using NLP to break Down the claim that we have a Pandemic, okay, of what We have a, right So you just go from there Everything they say, yeah There is a virus, okay, what is A virus [Speaker 2] (34:09 - 34:39) So basically They're trying to co-opt These words, and attach Them, and create stories And narratives, which the words don't In fact Entail So by using the language In it's literal sense, then we can Begin to deconstruct What programming has been Attached to the words, in conversation Is that what I'm gathering, in a sense Exactly, yes The one [Speaker 1] (34:39 - 35:42) Let's just call it, the 1% is Into NLP, a billion percent Yeah You know, I am not exaggerating The 99% are basically Not into it at all And that is pathetic Because they are shooting You full of Magical words, and most people Just aren't interested, in fact People, I've got Comrades, so it goes, oh yeah, they're using Mind control, okay, can you Use details, like what kind of You know, it's like You just hear noises, right, it's just No, you can't do that, you can't deal with The noises, you can't jump ahead To, well, we've got to vote In our politician to this and that And everything, just no In fact, I've got some Friends that are very good At this, in the legal department And they Constantly go And deal with the words Right off the bat You never know what you're Going to run into, in that sort of sense [Speaker 3] (35:43 - 36:00) I hear about NLP in the coaching world And I think it's interesting, too, like Isn't like Tony Robbins Or those type of people use that, but then Maybe use that to I don't know, like I feel like it can also be Used, like the 1% does, to Influence our thinking and get you to Buy things and get you to do things Is that correct? [Speaker 1] (36:01 - 37:55) Oh, sure, well Yeah, Madison Avenue advertising, it's Been into that forever And as soon as, when NLP was created They just got a big woody on that Tony Robbins, he was Anthony Robbins. He was like the leading public face of that. And as Tony said every time when he was he didn't succeed all the time but when he was on TV he did succeed when you know somebody came in with uh so yeah they said they were afraid of snakes he would work with them on the snakes then they bring in a boa constrictor or something like that and Tony says he's got to work on his issues with snakes right before he does that. So yes that is all going on and it's like people say well you've got to have an open mind. Okay let's be specific. How are you opening your mind? And the answer is with questions. See I just said how do you open your mind? That's a question. You have to use different types of questions. For example most people go with why. Why'd that happen? What do you want me to do? What'd you do that for? They're very limited with their questions. One of the first questions that caught my eye when I was being trained with NLP was uh how do you know? Think about it. How do you know there's a pandemic? How do you know? Yeah well because uh Fauci said so. You know it's just well okay well let's just pretend this is way back when you first heard about it. Well he's you know it's like when in the way I was when I heard that there was this uh pandemic something like that I was just well how do you know? And I'm hearing a bunch of stuff and I'm like okay there's something. I expect to see taxi car drivers and bus drivers and uh people and pilots uh you know cracking up vomiting and crashing their vehicles. Crickets right? Okay not going with it. [Speaker 2] (37:56 - 38:11) Imagine the collective just heeded the question how do I know what I claim to know? Like I think this would yeah this would really solve a lot of the um the the incredible haze that we find ourselves in. [Speaker 1] (38:12 - 39:36) Yes I uh actually wrote a blog post on well several uh one of you guys remember the first Matrix or the first Matrix movie? Yeah of course. So I did a blog post on it simulation and simulacracy and they were whistleblowing to you. This was not the Wachowski brothers writing as far as for that scene. Somebody else was just giving it away and they and they're pretty much saying the Matrix is you living in your head of beliefs. You and because uh Neo. Neo is uh he's asleep and there's music going on and the computer monitor starts talking to him you know talking to him and you got to look at everything every character in there computing including the computer is representative of an organization. Excuse me. And so Neo represents an organization. Anyhow so he's there and he's asleep and it's just yada yada yada wake up or he says something like uh follow the white rabbit. The white rabbit goes back to uh um Atlantean times as far as symbolism goes and I forget what it means but I do remember that and it wasn't like evil or anything it just is. [Speaker 2] (39:36 - 39:39) Yeah well I mean Alice in Wonderland as well I guess. [Speaker 1] (39:40 - 40:57) Oh yeah yeah sure yeah. Neo goes he hears the knocking on the door and what is the door? Right everything everything's coded in this scene. The door is a path from one group to another group. He goes and he opens the door a crack and he looks and he goes oh it's you guys. Goes and closes the door. He goes to his bookshelf. A bookshelf is what? Knowledge. He goes and he pulls out a book. The book is Simulation and Simulacra. Why wouldn't I look that up? Was that a real book? It is and the guy who wrote it says that we are fast as a society losing touch with our ability to perceive reality because we just live in our heads of beliefs. You know and beliefs and reality are not the same thing and so he goes and opens up the book. The book and the movie is carved out. It's hollowed out so when you have a hollow figure you have a straw man. It's not a real thing right? So the knowledge and he's pulling out digital information so the written word is gone right? Puts it back on the shelf. The Neo organization is flat out telling whoever's watching this can decode this that you are now going to get your information digitally okay? They're also telling you that well I'll leave that alone. [Speaker 2] (40:57 - 41:01) So then he goes opens up. Come on come on you can't do that. What are they also telling us? [Speaker 3] (41:02 - 41:04) Well let's just go into breaking down the matrix. [Speaker 1] (41:05 - 42:12) No no no no no no no I'm gonna leave it for I got something actually much deeper that we can get into okay later on. Yeah I just actually been thinking about the last few days and my thinking process is pretty crazy um so he goes and opens up the door and he gives the guy hands the guys the tapes and he says I was never here. So what's the organization? These are basically the Masonic secret cults. I do not exist to what? The group he's handing it to is the public okay? The public is not aware of the Neo group. They're hidden. They are hidden. I was never here and he that goes and takes it oh thank you. You're my savior. Got it? You're my own personal Jesus Christ. That's what the guy said. They're flat out knocking you right there saying that the hidden groups we wrote all that up. Yeah I know I'm gonna lose some more friends. Oh he's so bad. He keeps knocking religion. You know I'm not saying don't be spiritual. I'm not saying being a good person. I'm saying you know figure it out. [Speaker 2] (42:12 - 42:36) It's I hear you. I hear you as well. I'm on the completely the same page. It blows my mind how particularly in the truth community as well people can claim to be truth seekers and claim to be for the truth then all of a sudden get stuck at religion and get stuck in these belief systems and stuck at the dogma. It's like what are we after? Are we after liberation? Liberate your mind from all of it. You know it's like why? What's causing that? [Speaker 1] (42:36 - 43:27) Yeah so at the scene so the guy goes and takes it and then they yike yak a little bit and then and then they talk him into coming with him. But then there's a woman that's there. The woman's got the white rabbit on her shoulder. She is as far as for the she is the female Illuminati. She is the great world wives great royal wives club of which Nefertiti was a member. Nefertiti was the handler of Akunaten and so anybody who thinks Akunaten was the big pharaoh pulling the strings wrong. And so that is the end of that. That scene is just amazing what is given away in that and so yeah. I like what I wrote about that. [Speaker 3] (43:27 - 43:35) I like your Trump impression. Wrong. I've got I've got. Was that a Trump thing? I don't think he used to say that all the time. I'm just making a joke. [Speaker 2] (43:35 - 43:55) I don't know. I don't know. This is my first search on what the white rabbit's a metaphor for but you tell me if it's if it sounds right. The white rabbit for isn't is a metaphor for following one's curiosity to an impossible land. What makes this metaphor especially interesting is that Neo is in a way already in wonderland and he's actually about to emerge from the rabbit hole. [Speaker 1] (43:56 - 44:10) Yeah it's older than that. It's like yeah it's like the the goat the goat is got supposedly got god came from got you know things like that as far as that word. [Speaker 3] (44:13 - 44:23) Anyhow is that why they call like the greatest athlete like the greatest of all time for athletes they call them the goat. So it's kind of like these gods. I don't know. [Speaker 2] (44:23 - 44:32) I've heard of that. And then you also you have goat as as Baphomet. There's a link there as well. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (44:32 - 44:39) Yeah. Baphomet who could shape change into a into a humanoid. That was interesting. [Speaker 2] (44:39 - 45:27) Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean Baphomet. I mean the Baphomet is such a such a polarizing symbol and figure because at the same time Baphomet is simply the sigil of the mystery school tradition right. Baphomet means is just to bathe to bathe in wisdom. If you break down the etymology of bath and meet us it's to bathe in wisdom. But then as well this is being co-opted as satanic and all the rest of it transgender because it represents the masculine and the feminine. But people can get so scared of the symbols because we don't know the symbols. We don't understand them. So they they're used to manipulate us. But if we could develop our symbolic literacy and understand these symbols and use them for our own benefit and to enhance our knowledge then. [Speaker 1] (45:28 - 47:44) Right. As crazy as I appear and sound I'm actually very pragmatic. And NLP is actually a very pragmatic tool. It's like OK let's break down the words like say gender. You have this hierarchy of the NLP model. I forgot what it is but a hierarchy where at the very top it's spirit and then below that is the identity identity and the identity is you know who you think you are whatever it is not your role but you know who you see yourself as stuff like that. But as far as getting into say sex you've got male and female. But when you have a drag queen the drag queen is a role. A tranny is a role that they've turned it into. Forget the actual operation if the person has it. If you're dressing up as the opposite sex stuff like that. OK you're in drag. That's a rule. In Vancouver I unwittingly had moved into a gay neighborhood. I just it was along the beach. I liked it. Next thing I know I'm surrounded by gays. They're kind of funny. They could tell in a second. It's like you gay. And then even before the way the way you responded it's like they looked each other nice straight. But then they knew all the girls of course. And so but that was just. But they hated the flamers as they call it. The guys typically the women were quiet but the guys they were just parading. Even boy George is just going there. You guys are just a bunch of attention whores that are constantly parading. Never turn it off. And but you know so anyhow. But yeah using NLP go break it down. It's just identity politics. What do you mean by identity to identify with. OK. Are you the role. Are you a role. No. If you think about what is the role it's basically a character I'm playing. Well then you can't be the character can you. You know it's like if you've got a pair of nuts down there you don't. The costume. Yeah exactly. The costume. The clothes don't make the man. They don't. You know it's just. [Speaker 3] (47:48 - 48:12) How did you get into it. Like what what first drew your interest in neuro linguistic programming. Well NLP. But even just like I kind of just want to hear like not briefly because I know you like you know you're a storyteller. But like what was like your childhood like. What what what what was that like that led you on this path. And I'm different. [Speaker 1] (48:13 - 51:25) I just am. I just a different I've always been different as far as it's like my wife's father said I've never met anyone answers ask so many questions. I've got that so much. I've had so many people say you're so deep. You know it's just I've I'm a lot of people think that I think I'm the smartest guy in the room. No I think I'm one of the most aware people in the room. I have a super high level of awareness. Not just. And I've actually I've been tested. It's not only logical. You know on the left brain side but also the right brain side. Extremely intuitive. Almost psychic. And I suppose it's so yeah I just question things from day one. Grew up in Canada. I started reading before I was I don't know around two years old or something like that. I got two older sisters. They decided well let's play. Let's play school. So you start teaching me the alphabet things like that. Then so I started reading books and a lot of people I don't believe it. Nobody could you know read that early. Yeah. And so but I would question things. I remember when I saw the money and you got this queen on the back of the money and it was Queen Elizabeth. And I says well who's that. Well that's the queen. I don't know Canada had a queen. Well it doesn't. Well what's she doing on the money. It's our money. You know I didn't quite see it that way but it's our money. Well we're part of this commonwealth that you know it's just and then you're hearing the adults and it's just that's a story. You know it's just you don't really quite put it put it together but part of you's just going it's like it's like one of them fables or something and it's just not adding up. Then there was Christianity. So then we go to church and we're at you know we were Anglican but we were we're never diehards. But so we go show up this little church. It's a little church. I don't know Kong maybe six rows of pews. Ten rows of pews. Stuff like that. Not like out here which is you know in the north part of the Bible Belt. They make it a industry. And so I'm there and we're we're reading this. You know I could already already read. And so these guys are yackety yacking about whatever. Probably doing the sermon or something. I'm reading this book and and it says something yada yada yada for I am I am a jealous God and there will shall be no other gods than me. And I'm thinking I said to my mom who sits and I'm looking up at her because you know he's tall. And I said isn't that against the rules? And she chuckles. And she says why don't we go ask the the minister. That's what the priest was called was a minister. And so okay. And so so I'm like four years old or something like that. Four or five or whatever. So she goes and takes me you know to see him after the service. And you know he's standing there. And she's like yeah so I got my son has a question for you. And he's looking at me like cute kid. You know like you know it's like how do you like he's probably thinking about the color of the robe or this or that. Or did you like you know the building? And I says yeah. [Speaker 2] (51:26 - 51:28) I'd be worried if a priest said cute kid. [Speaker 1] (51:29 - 52:11) Well yeah right. Yeah I never even thought of that. But yeah. And I wasn't meaning it that way. I was just so. So I go and I open up the book. And I'm reading from it. So he's he looks at me. And I says yeah it says right in here dadadada for I'm a jealous God and there should have no other God but me. What's with that? You know whoever. And he looks at me. He looks at my mom. He's like is this for real? And she just grins kind of like see what I got to deal with. And he goes well. And then he just dadadada. And I just closed the book. And I thought yeah it's all bullshit. That's incredible. I just right there. I'm just I'm calling bullshit on the book. That's incredible. [Speaker 2] (52:11 - 52:16) But like that's kind of you applying NLP without even knowing what NLP was at four years old. [Speaker 1] (52:16 - 54:45) No no. I just I had a intuitive sense the guy. He didn't even. I mean it's his own thing. He doesn't know how to answer. He's like he's defending God. You know I'm a joke. I got to go and break the rules because I'm God. I'm the big kahuna and I can do whatever you want. You guys can't. And I'm thinking. And of course the world's a mess. I could tell that already from my little vantage spot. You know parents weren't happy. They were having fights. We were poor. And so if we're poor and the world is so great and you've got this God looking for everybody. And yet we're handing money on this plate. Money that we didn't have. And I'm just you know. So yeah I've always been at school. Oh yeah. I was. So I heard of this school thing right. And so I didn't go to kindergarten because you gotta be kidding me. It's just. So I'm already. My dad was teaching us math. So I was already learning to write and to print. Math. I could read books. Like I mean well. Out loud as well. And then I go to grade one. And I'm figuring OK this school thing's going to be great. You know we're going to go and say is there all the adults. This is what I'm thinking. All the adults work together and we're going to and I didn't even know what overview was but they would go and say OK all your adults are all working together and they're all making sure that we got cars and clothes and food and we make the roads and there's paint and electricity and all this other stuff. I was expecting something like that. Instead I get class class and half the kids are feral and clueless. And then the teacher I could tell really didn't know anything. Start over the first week asking the odd question that's kind of looking at you like you're asking questions. You know a little kid and she was my aunt also. I hate questions. Yeah. Not only was she a teacher she was my aunt. And so yeah. And I was just I remember coming home tell my mom just. But you know what my greatest fear was that the adults didn't know any more than the kids. So that was me long before NLP. And then I would ask questions throughout school and I was honestly for me school was a waste of time. [Speaker 2] (54:46 - 55:42) Absolutely. It's a waste of time. I mean we go and get our minds molded for approximately 15000 hours by the time we're finished by these systems these indoctrination systems people that we often don't even know by strangers to our parents. Right. Like the fact that this has become so normal within our society as the means of raising a child. It's it is it is the biggest sigh of. And it's probably the foundation for the mess that we find ourselves in more than anything else. Right. All we're taught is how to obey how to comply how to put all our real innate passions and desires and self-directed learning to the side for what someone else tells us is good for us. And I mean you talk about the basis of the psychological mess that we find ourselves in. Man look at school. That's that's that's where it starts. [Speaker 3] (55:43 - 56:07) Yeah. It just kind of blows my mind again that like I'm not a parent but if I was that you just drop your kids off to this place for eight hours and very often you have no idea what they're even being taught. Yeah. Right. But again it's just this cycle because their parents did it to them. And so this is what we do because if we don't do that what does that mean? [Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:28) What are the alternatives? What else is there? Yeah exactly. But and then then it's the fear of the unknown. And the fear of the unknown means oh I've got to think for myself. I've got to be responsible for myself. And no no one can do that. We can't have that right. So there's we fall into the trap of yes whatever you say whatever whatever you fill it with is the path that I'm going to take. [Speaker 1] (56:29 - 57:38) Right. And fear of the unknown. Let's let's analyze that a little bit. Ultimately it's can one admit that and actually state I don't know. Right. So in school they ask what is the answer to that. Right. And who do they punish those who don't know. So nobody wants to say I don't know. Wow. I remember there's the details that you're being taught in school. But they're really concerned about what you're learning through context. There is an authority. You will not question authority. You will swallow it hook line and sinker. You will not you will be afraid to say I don't know. Yeah. Which is real pain in the butt and say I like I work in I.T. and you've got people you run into these people they got to have an answer for everything. Excuse me. And most people are bringing out that stuff out of the belief hat. Let me you know grab a belief and just it's like that because it's like asking for directions. [Speaker 2] (57:39 - 57:44) And yeah that's right. And that's all we have an epidemic of people that are pretending that they know right now. [Speaker 1] (57:44 - 59:49) Repeaters. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's just I can't it's like amongst my own gang hardly anybody's read read my novel. I don't know why I just. Yeah I know. Yeah. But yeah it's wonderful that you did. But it's not so much as you read the novel. It's that you know I wrote that thing because there's enough philosophical arguments in there that if we just live like that this world would be completely different. If we invest the novel covers thematically say a monster on both sides. What is it like to be monstrous or monstrous you know. And is a monster really monstrous because it looks like a monster or because it behaves like a monster. Emphasis on behavior. Truth is in the behavior. Oh yeah that's another thing that I learned through NLP was that well and then I would in the 80s we had all these books on making it getting rich and well not really getting rich being successful. And it's not only did you have Tony Robbins say unlimited power which he wrote to it was he wrote it he said to so you could have self-power power over yourself be self-confident deal with your issues stuff like that. And he was dismayed to find that we got all these people going we can sell all kinds of stuff using this this is awesome. And he was no that's not really why I wrote it. You know yeah you can be successful in business and I want you to but you know help people um nah you know what why would deal with that. So yeah behavior um it's it's this simple. You go buy a used car. The car was in a flood. They dried it out. They replaced the carpet and the salesperson avoided telling you that the car was in a flood. What people avoid seeing and doing speaks the loudest if you can catch them. [Speaker 2] (59:51 - 1:00:11) Yeah the the the truth is more so in what's not said than what's actually said. Right yeah yeah man um earlier you said that you have a deeper analogy for us than the matrix in terms of oh yeah right right. [Speaker 1] (1:00:13 - 1:00:35) Uh so I'm gonna do a podcast or um I'm going to do can we take a quick break for like a minute or something. I just got to uh I gotta go close the window. I'd open the window and it's it's cold. So I gotta all right cool. [Speaker 3] (1:00:35 - 1:00:37) Let's do it. We're talking about that other analogy. [Speaker 1] (1:00:38 - 1:03:58) Okay so in my in my uh blog I am uh essentially delving into the I decided at first I was going to do do the blog from the perspective of an insider in the underworld. But I just find that there's necessity to go and get people to realize that the mindset that they have is like every Michael Deserian talks about this essentially the mindset of people uh individually has given us everything you see around you for better or worse. And if they don't understand how that mindset is uh programmed and or uh or not and just running willy-nilly forget it. We're never going to get anyone. And so I thought I need to go and in uh NLP is very useful for me. So I thought okay let's start writing about this. And first I did simulation simulacra. I said then I says what's the mindset causing your face fate. Then there was one uh the misinformed fatal gamble. I realized that people with this whole COVID thing the whole vaccine thing is they're betting the they're unconsciously and if you ask them they'll just say yeah it's fine it'll be fine. They're betting the farm everything their life their children's life on everything that'll be fine. Eventually it'll be normal. They'll flat they'll tell you if you push them. And so that's that's ignorance at its best right there. And then they uh there's a contempt for uh even knowing anything outside your your beliefs. Most people are not even aware that there is. They just I believe. Belief is. You know it's the is. This is. The world is. People are. Right? Black people are. White people are. Brown people are. Yellow people are. It's very much spicy. Spicy food is. You know it's beliefs. Well I mean you can have an experience which backs it up. Right? Thai food is hot. Yeah. Yeah it'll it's very hot. Sure. Um so and so I'm leaving. There's a path. If you start with my articles I'm getting more and more complex. And I was thinking about well okay I want to write about the um I remember I said that I had uh I got training in channeling. And so I channel my intuition. And so my intuition's even in the novel. And um I had I got training in it but then there was uh Abraham Hicks which my wife actually went and saw in like Ohio or something like that. And she was channeling and when she met her she said uh when she was in the channeled state uh she says her eyes she sensed like a very dark presence and she was being sucked into them and it was you know frightening. [Speaker 2] (1:03:59 - 1:04:06) And there's this video footage now of her channeling and then recommending the vaccine from from Abraham. [Speaker 1] (1:04:06 - 1:09:03) Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a shock. Yeah. Um so so I so I've got to I went online with my uh intuition my hunches just through sheer will. A lot of people in fact aren't into willpower. They're just like like I was talking to a friend the other day. And it's just uh you know she would prefer to uh not be as heavy as she is physically. You know fat. And it's just oh I don't have the willpower for it for that. I says well you gotta start you gotta build your willpower just like you gotta go in the gym. And it's just yeah now I can't. Can't or won't. Right. We're back to the words. And I remember that in NLP. Change the words until it gets you moving. You know it's and uh um so anyhow the uh so my process actually with fiction and non-fiction is uh I will incubate incubate uh for a period of time on some ideas and things like that. And I could also I could sense in fact I can even start writing something down now. I can recognize when something's forming it's going yeah this could be good. Could be. Could be a pile of crap but it could be good. And so I was coming up with that first this was like a couple weeks ago I think. Beliefs the land of fairy tales. You know that was kind of me and my uh sarcasm. You know people living you know twilight. Then I just wrote down like I had this idea and I think before I went to bed I just wrote it down. Twilight zone. Uh looking through you know through the looking glass. Alternate reality in any ways. So then I was thinking about what am I going to write about next. And when I'm thinking about that sort of thing the muse sooner or later you know wakes up off the couch and just decides okay let's go and look look at this thing. And so then yesterday a bunch of stuff came pouring in and a whole bunch more start pouring in today. And it has to deal with uh seeing it's a bunch of things and this won't be eloquent but essentially for a lot of people seeing is believing. If they see it then it's real right. Okay so let's look at our uh so we're going to compare nature to so-called civilization because both are real. But one of them's sustainable actually self-sustainable and the other isn't. Nature is. For example if you have an untouched nobody's fooled with it. Uh mountain range and within it are a bunch of rivers and lakes and flora and fauna. I don't know if you guys say they even have documentaries on dirt. How complex dirt is. Dirt has little critters in it and bacteria and worms and bugs and it just grows from there. And everything eats and feeds off everything else. And it has to rejuvenate itself and the weather has to support it. The proper weather not the geo-engineered weather which is actually harming and destroying things. It's ruining the system. Nature is very systemic. It is not at all um this bogus uh anyways it's systemic and so there's a system that's there. Okay and it's a complete system. Whereas uh I've got a potted plant and the potted plant is the human's version of nature. I scoop out some dirt and I put it in a pot and what is and I put the plant in there. Okay that's from nature but what is now required? I need an external source of light. Okay the sun sure okay and you know hang it in front of the window or something like that. External source of water. Maybe an external source of uh nutrients. The key is it's external. What if you cut that off? What happens to the plant? Right. It's gonna wither. Okay let's look at this. So you got somebody who's driving through the city and the uh. Sorry. Can we pause it for a sec? My dogs are barking like crazy. Sorry. We're back. Okay so forget me. I had to go and deal with the dogs and then I made a comment coming back. Something like man I'm glad I don't have kids because you know I'd kill myself and of my wife would be dismayed but uh anyhow double backing that. [Speaker 3] (1:09:04 - 1:09:07) No nothing. I was going to make a joke but I'm going to leave it at that. [Speaker 1] (1:09:07 - 1:10:38) I was doubling back. You guys were asking kind of like well how come you're the way you are and uh my my parents got divorced and I could see that I was youngest of you know three kids and the parents were not getting along and now that I know what I know the problem was is that the enthrallment weared off. A lot of people this is where you get into say you know using NLP and love or if you go look up Eric Erich or Eric Fromm. F-R-O-M-M. He goes and he actually wrote a book about the art of loving and he goes and breaks love up into four distinct qualities and I actually get into that a little bit with the novel and I think one of the scenes and love is something you do. It's not something you have and but when you meet someone and everyone's fluttering it's like oh this and that they could do no wrong or whatever it is. You are enthralled but eventually every relationship becomes like the new car. The new car is no longer new and shiny and then you know and we all got issues. Everybody got issues. All three of us got issues and you know the kind of issue I'm saying that people would want to you know smother you with a pillow for those kind of issues right. So you got to go and deal with them have that sort of stuff and be flexible. I don't think my mother was and so anyhow. [Speaker 2] (1:10:39 - 1:11:02) It's interesting because I know that you're a member of Michael's Terrascopes Mystery School as well. I'm not sure how well you've made the connections in terms of the astrological side but your house four is ruled by Scorpio. House four being the mother, being the root, being the family tree. So with Scorpio there it's expected that you're going to have quite a chaotic and intense upbringing but just simply based on that. [Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:37) Iris was born April 4th. That was my mother. Yeah so I didn't want to duplicate that. You know apart from the fact as far as I was concerned I was just parents got divorced you know and the whole family went to hell so to speak and it took me a good 10-15 years to wrap my head around that and anyhow. [Speaker 3] (1:11:39 - 1:11:58) I mean I think that's I mean at the end of the day it's like we're on our individual journey and some of us make the choice to create a family and other of us we don't you know for whatever the reason. It's not like we can't paint everyone with the same brush. Everyone has to do this journey. Everyone has to follow this path and so that's part of it you know. [Speaker 1] (1:11:58 - 1:11:58) Right. [Speaker 3] (1:11:59 - 1:12:01) And you have given birth to this. [Speaker 2] (1:12:05 - 1:12:05) Right. [Speaker 3] (1:12:05 - 1:12:06) Yeah you know. [Speaker 2] (1:12:06 - 1:12:58) Making the distance. Go ahead. I was gonna say I'm just thinking about it even deeper astrologically because I know your chart based on the telescopic system. You've got Virgo in house two. House two is how we make our money. Virgo is the writer. Right. Literally. So it's there's never any coincidences in any of this and the way that the basis and the premise of using the astrological insight is that we realize that we all have our unique karma which is given to us based on our upbringing being the root of the tree which is house four and the midheaven house 10 which is the mom and the dad and the way our life unfolds is usually born out of whatever that experience was on some level. You know what I mean. So where we're lacking in some areas we're given in other areas and this is applicable to all different chart designs. [Speaker 1] (1:12:59 - 1:13:03) Hmm. Yeah. I'd be interested in talking to you further about that. [Speaker 3] (1:13:05 - 1:13:08) You can go to joelrafitti.com and you can book a reading. [Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:11) Thanks for the point. [Speaker 3] (1:13:11 - 1:13:16) I might do that. Yeah. As you can tell I like to you know be calm and relieved sometimes. [Speaker 1] (1:13:16 - 1:13:19) Yeah. So back to. [Speaker 3] (1:13:22 - 1:13:35) So this yeah so. So real quickly because we I love the stories and I love going on these tangents but what was that analogy that like not the matrix it was another analogy that we were right. [Speaker 1] (1:13:35 - 1:14:14) Yeah. Yeah. So I'm we're okay. So I was talking about the potted plant. So are a little micro a little tiny version of man's nature is the potted plant. Yep. And that's not nature. That's fake. Yeah. Right. And it just and then the more I started thinking about it and intuiting it all at the same time is we've set ourselves up in a zoo. People will tell you oh I don't care. Society is real. I'm driving on roads. There's all these buildings around. Yep. And it's real. [Speaker 2] (1:14:15 - 1:14:15) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:14:15 - 1:16:58) You know it'll last because it's been around here. I mean Philadelphia has been here for whatever 300 years or so. It'll keep going. See that's the thing. These people think it'll keep going. It's like 300 years is nothing compared to that mountain range there. In fact the way we're living there ain't gonna be anything in a few hundred years. Nothing. And you know be a lot of people. I never used to. I didn't realize that but now I do. The way these lunatics are going is they're absolutely going to destroy everything which is hinted at in the novel as far as why. But yeah I was thinking so we're in this zoo. And the zoo has been the city the town. And you need the feeders right. So you have all the people that bring the food. You know you're not other than you know some victory gardens for a little blip there. We're going to a grocery store which is seeing you know you got you know what you got at the zoo. You got the guy who's feeding the animals. So we're being fed by the grocery store. You got the water that's being plumbed in. You got the power electricity and then we live in our little cages our houses. Excuse me. The new normal is clearly not wanting us to leave the cage anymore. Forget the zoo. You're staying in your cage. And even this latest meta bullshit where Facebook's renaming itself the meta and the so-called virtual reality. There is no virtual reality. It's in here. And we're already bamboozled into thinking that that well Kerry's crazy and society is the buildings. See it's like seeing is believing. Yeah I believe that we are for real because we got houses and streets and light switches and everything. Yeah but nobody knows just like with the mind. Nobody knows other than the guys that work about it in it about the infrastructure and just how much it's hanging on a thread. The power. The wiring. Whatever it takes to go and build a house. It just doesn't last. Termites in the south here can wipe your house out pretty easily. If you stop and look at all these shutdowns we're having right. Supply chain shutdowns. You shut things down enough and well in New York the firefighters aren't fighting the fires and so they're you know burn baby burn literally. And so yeah so it's just that's what it became to me. The new normals. The cages in our house feeding us with the internet. I hear you man. [Speaker 2] (1:16:58 - 1:17:34) Yeah and there's no doubt from even the overarching perspective that the entire premise is to co-opt the nature and to give us a pseudo reality right. As a pseudo cage. A pseudo zoo. Whatever it might be. And the problem is we become so attached to this illusion. And what happens when your foundation's illusion. What's everything that you're going to build. Build. In tell you how sustainable is that going to be when the foundation is oh this this reality is going to last forever you know. And I mean there's so much psychological implications just exploring that issue. [Speaker 1] (1:17:35 - 1:19:23) Look at the quality of customer service that you get anymore. Yeah it's just you get people who overall they don't care. They can't connect the dots. They you know talk to someone else and you never talk to the same person. It's just it's ludicrous. They can't follow along. And this whole. Luda. Let's let's just call it like it is. The like with geoengineering itself which again people want to pretend it doesn't exist. But you know all the streaks in the skies. I mean they're just going overboard over Lexington, Kentucky lately. It's just insane. Never seen it so much. And geoengineeringwatch.org. Dane Wellington. He I don't know if you guys are familiar with that geoengineeringwatch.org. Yep. He so Dane started up that because he was living in northern California and it's James Bond fortress and he he was in the solar industry and he was losing power. And so he started replacing parts and then realized hey we're you know these guys are spraying in the sky and they're blocking the sun. Well it's not only that but they're actually they're destroying the ozone layer. And so now you're getting way too much of this ultraviolet waves and which are burning the bark. They're observing it's burning the bark. Scientists are observing this. Of course it's censored. And it's yeah. So in other words the whole theory of well we're going to lower the population and then you know a few of us live left over in uh nirvana. No they're not. It's just uh they're not. [Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:39) You know the biggest hypocrisy in all of this is is that um they want to protect you from uh is that where I was going on that? Never mind. I don't know. I did have something. It slipped. [Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:20:03) All right. Well anyways Kerry what any last words you have for audience that you want to share? About like you know solutions too. You know how do you think people should should be? I know it's an individual question but what are your thoughts on that? People got uh. Inspiration and your wisdom for here for the truth audience. Besides buy your book. [Speaker 2] (1:20:06 - 1:20:25) Oh that's where I was going. Sorry. They're saying climate crisis is the problem of overpopulation rather than overpopulation problem. But at the same time they're trying to keep you safe with these shots. Right. They keep you safe from everything. But like it's it's so hypocritical between the climate crisis game and they keep you safe with the vaccine game. Right. That's where I was going but yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:20:26 - 1:22:26) Yeah. Sorry. I suppose in the answer to your answer to your uh comment is uh if you don't know if you don't know how your mind works then you will be a puppet for someone else. Even if you are strong-willed and it's just nah I take a shift from no one and I'm gonna just go and do whatever it is I want to do. You'll still be fooled. It's like I know I have friends with a lot of people as of late who were into the local politicians out here and thinking like the Rand Pauls and the Ron Pauls and they got seduced by these guys. You know. And no. Rand has told me everything all about him by what he refused to do. Him and his father with you know 9-11. Two jets. Three buildings crumbled to dust. Both of them are allergic to architects and engineers for 9-11.org or com or whatever it is. Yeah they never made a big stink about it uh the politician out here saying oh well that's because he's worried about dying. Well then you're in the wrong line of work. If you're worried about getting burned don't be a firefighter. Yep. You know it's just so if you don't understand you know you gotta become smarter and smarter is not memorization. Smarter is learning how your mind works and it starts with the mind and if you you know that that's what I would do and then you work with uh best you can work with people and god be open like out here we're trying to you know we got a bunch of patriots we're trying to do this and that and I'm seeing a lot of people where the the blinders come on like Christianity. Oh no no no. Well the other day we're having a meeting guy 9-11. Oh no we're not going there to 9-11. And the reason that came up is because one of us said that uh well this caught us by surprise like this whole new normal and I'm like didn't catch me by surprise you know. [Speaker 3] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:22:27 - 1:23:19) 9-11 nobody cared. Uh Alex Jones getting deplatformed 2018. Nobody cared. Identity politics yeah it's kind of funny but whatever. Oh something happened to you now it's a big deal. Wrong. And it's just uh yeah you've gotta you know in fact the whole Christianity the problem with the whole Christian uh collective religion thing is that someone else is going to take care of you. I don't worry. In the end god oh god in the end god wins. Q wins. Trump is coming back. All this and that. No you gotta treat this like your house is burning down and you better deal with it or it's too late. And uh we're at that press preface. I mean I'll take it if Trump comes in on a white stallion and uh you know deals with all the evil people but um doesn't make any sense. [Speaker 3] (1:23:19 - 1:23:19) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:23:20 - 1:23:48) Hear you man. I hear you. Kerry thank you so much for joining us on He For The Truth podcast. Um your website is the descendants of atlantis.com is that right? Yes sir yep. Anyone interested in in the book or in exploring further Kerry's blogs which also are very interesting please head there. Thank you so much for listening to this program and we'll see you next time. Take care. Thanks for having me. Thanks man.