Alec Zeck & Mike Winner Closing the Curtain

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 0:07) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth Podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Yerasimos. [Speaker 2] (0:11 - 1:40) What's up everybody? Yes, this is a different voice on the intro. I'm doing the intro today, okay? Joel's taking a little break, but welcome back to the Here for the Truth Podcast. We got episode 125 coming at you with two incredible human beings, two people that I'm that we're blessed to call friends of ours, people that are doing amazing work in the world, Alex Zek and Mike Winner. And we brought them on this time because they have a pretty incredible event that's coming out in about a month called The End of COVID. And they have 90 speakers that are going to be talking about different elements of the last three years and combating the lies that we were faced. So it was a great conversation of four friends covering a variety of topics. And yeah, we hope you enjoy it. But first off, we just want to let you know that our sixth round of Rise Above the Herd is open. Applications are available. It's our program that we've been doing five times already. And it's really geared towards truth seekers that want to take their life to the next level, that really want to embody who they are on the deepest levels and live the life of their dreams and be empowered and be confident to speak their truth and go out into the world. And so we're really excited to be offering it again. All the information is available at riseabovetheherd.co. You can check it out, read our testimonials, fill an application, and then get on a 20-minute call with us. So if you're interested, check it out. And without further ado, here's Alec and Mike. [Speaker 1] (1:41 - 1:43) Damn, bro, that was a dope intro. [Speaker 2] (1:44 - 1:46) Oh, cool, bro. All right, let's get to Mike and Alec, all right? [Speaker 3] (1:47 - 2:00) All right, everyone. Welcome to episode 125 of the Here for the Truth podcast. We have a couple of brothers, a couple of legends in the house, both previous podcast guests. Alec, this is your third time. Mike, this is your second. [Speaker 1] (2:00 - 2:34) And we're here to really highlight an incredible creative undertaking that you've both been developing over the course of a few months or longer and getting ready to launch the end of COVID. And I'll just explain to those listening briefly what that is. And it's exactly what it sounds like. It's a 90-session coming together to educate the public on a mass scale about everything that's transpired over the past three years and so much more. The end of COVID will cover everything from electron microscopy to masks. [Speaker 3] (2:34 - 2:50) It's going all the way back to the origins of the germ theory of disease and touching on every so-called pandemic up to the present, exposing the granule details of these concepts to the masses is the only way to put an end to the fictional reality show once and for all. [Speaker 1] (2:51 - 3:15) Guys, whoever wants to start, but where was this idea first born from? Where was this sprouted? How did this come into fruition? Yeah, I can start. So yeah, first, thanks for having us. Awesome talking with you guys. You are like two of my favorite people to talk to. And I kind of like one or two. So this is going to be good to have. You're not sick of me yet, bro? [Speaker 3] (3:15 - 3:16) Shut up. [Speaker 1] (3:16 - 3:51) No, I love you. Like eight hour meetings every day. But so the idea for the end of COVID honestly came about around a little over a year ago. Um, I started noticing the mainstream position shift quite a bit. And what I mean by that is the mainstream really started allowing into the conversation, this idea that there was a gain of function virus. And the reality is... [Speaker 3] (3:51 - 3:57) Alec, let me stop you there because I hear this term gain of function all the time. And like, I barely know what it means. [Speaker 1] (3:58 - 8:00) Yeah. Okay. So gain of function virus is essentially the idea that you can take something from nature, a naturally occurring pathogen, and manipulate it in certain ways to make it more lethal and more pathogenic or one of the two. And this idea was... Now I've come to the position that is cleverly inserted into the mainstream at the very beginning, actually, because we remember back to the end of 2019, or the beginning of 2020, for those who were paying attention a little bit prior to the widespread usage of masks, you know, lockdowns, etc, etc. There was talk in the mainstream that there's a lab in Wuhan, like gain of function research is risky, but we need to have more regulations on it. And even at the very beginning with this so called new virus, there was talks in the New York Post and other mainstream news outlets that this virus likely came from a lab or that it maybe came from a lab, right? So the point is, they inserted that narrative into the collective psyche at the very beginning, but then did this switcheroo where that started to gain traction, and then they put a squash on it after the mainstream had shared it a little bit just enough to where it's like, oh my god. And then you start seeing the imagery of people dropping dead in China and all these things. And then they also kind of put a squash to that. So it seemed like for those who were aware to certain degrees of the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, and like how the government lies to us, and I bought on to it at the time to like, oh my god, they actually successfully created a bioweapon in a lab. And they're covering up the truth, right? Like now because they started censoring it pretty early on, but they inserted it at the very beginning just enough to where it caught, most people caught wind of it. Even like so called normies, if that's what you're gonna call them, people who didn't believe any of, or believe all of the mainstream narrative still had lingering in the back of their mind, this idea that, oh, there's a lot of conspiracy folk that are saying that this could be a gain of function, like man made bioweapon virus, right? So all that to say. Very, very clever seed that was planted very timely and very specific. But this was up against the bat soup theory. This was the only opposing alternative to the most ridiculous proposition. Yeah. And that plays into the dialectic, right? That's what they, that is their strategy that they've always used. And the Hegelian dialectic, which is their ground, it's like their basic, when I say they, let's define they, right? Those who are the controlling factions of society, right? The ones that are pointed strings from the top, the round table groups, et cetera. Hegel, the slave master relationship, is the basis for reality that they consider. That is the fundamental ground level of how they see reality. And so they play upon that psychologically all the time by giving you two options to fight amongst left, right, blue, red. So that is what's so brilliant about this operation and what they've been pushing through the political sphere and the media and everything is you've got two options. You've got either it's the gain of function or what we like to call gain of fiction, but gain of function or zoonotic spread, right? Which just means coming an animal cross species virus that comes from an animal into another species, which also is completely ridiculous and goes against all ways of natural order. So I wanted to make, yeah, it's interesting how they're always playing that game, right? You get two options. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (8:01 - 8:02) Joel or Yerasimos, that's it. [Speaker 1] (8:07 - 18:01) So, yeah, so like it's the Hegelian dialectic mixed in with like a contrived Overton window and the Overton window is like the accepted discourse amongst society. And it's like you have the mainstream position is that it was just like Mike said, this is zoonotic virus that jumped from a bat to a pangolin to a lady eating bat soup, whatever the hell that is to the other end of the spectrum in this tightly controlled spectrum of, oh, all the conspiracy people think that it's this. And there's a lot of voices raising concerns about that. And then of course, like the EcoHealth Alliance stuff. And of course, people talking about how Fauci funded it. And then University of North Carolina was originally involved and they moved it from North Carolina to Wuhan and the U.S. was still funding it secretly, et cetera, et cetera. And it's like this window that is completely artificially contrived. But the point is. It's the approved paradigm of conspiracy. Correct. It's exactly. And what I saw happening in 2022 is that that narrative started to gain more mainstream acceptance. And it was like, oh, my goodness, they're fainting a release of the, quote, truth. Right. Like they're making it seem like they're admitting what really happened. And then, of course, you fast forward a few months. The FBI director came out and said it is likely this virus escaped from a lab. So then what situation do we have? We have all the most popular pundits from the alternative side then shouting from the rooftops, it was a gain of function virus. We were right. And it appears that they were vindicated. These were people, many of whom were censored for talking about gain of function. And then the mainstream is now admitting it. And it looks like a release of the, quote, truth. But but all that does is is set us up, us being just the collective us in a very general sense, up for future nonsense to continue, because as the mainstream position becomes so ridiculous that no one could believe it at this point, people are then latching onto the prevailing alternative perspective and the prevailing alternative perspective seems like it was vindicated in that they were correct that this was a gain of function virus. But what that does is it allows the germ nonsense paradigm to perpetuate into the future with actually worse implications. Because if you take the two contrasting narratives, that there's a zoonotic virus, that is a one in a gazillion chance that jumped from a bat to pangolin to whatever, versus a group of mysterious men that you don't know that are like mad scientists in a lab that are taking the natural version and trying to weaponize it in a way to release upon society. And that's the that's the side that the alternative community is taking right now. That allows the germ nonsense to continue into the future. And what we're presenting in a very, very deep way. Let's get to that in a second. But that was the idea. I saw this happening. So I called Dr. Cowan. I was like, hey, what do you think about doing an event to really bring all the terrain minds together under using COVID as a Trojan horse of sorts, because it's like, it's called the end of COVID. But it's it's so much more than that. Like it is so deeper than that. I want to clarify something. So is your position that like a bioweapon cannot be created or cannot exist? So I want to be clear in my communication here. I don't want to claim with certainty that they can't weaponize bacteria and things like this. I would argue that it's very likely that it's hard to do that, one. But two, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how our bodies operate. And Mike, you're so knowledgeable on that piece. But just briefly, with respect to the virus side of this, it is completely impossible. You cannot weaponize something that has not first been shown to exist or to cause disease in the first place. Viruses have never been shown to exist, never been proven to be disease causing. And in fact, disease being passed from the fluids of a sick person itself is completely unproven. So that is context, this idea that we can weaponize something in the lab. And further, this idea that because there's money going to somewhere in a lab calling that quote proof that they're creating a bioweapon absent of actual proof. And we go into the so-called gain of function experiments on viruses very extensively in the end of COVID. So within that context, no, not possible. But when it comes to bacteria and stuff like that, Mike is very, very knowledgeable on that front. Well, so I guess, and this is a sort of reason, a good way to explain why I came in, a segue, if you will. So I'm involved with Alpha Vedic, one of the partners in there. And I've been forced to know Dr. Bearer Paul Lando for a good amount of time. And you guys, of course, have interviewed him, right? And he is a true legend. And so I've known for a very long time about the true nature of viruses, that they're essentially, as he called them, just particles that they've confused as a pathogenic entity, for lack of a better word. But we have, and so that being said, we've been talking about this online and out in public way before the whole COVID nonsense. So Alec was aware of that. In fact, Andrew Kaufman was inspired to look into this when COVID started through our Beshant versus Pasteur series that we did on YouTube. He wasn't even aware of the germ theory, sort of history and narrative until he watched that, which I take great pride in, in that, because he is one of the, you know, standing champions for this truth. So that being said, in the past, we have discussed this very topic around bioweapons, because obviously, we know the intelligence sector and the military industrial complex has been at this for a very long time. And we've covered an alpha cast specifically on Lyme disease. And the understanding that very potentially could be a bioweapon that was released. And that vector is sort of an insect. So we must remember the body has specific protections, right against natural insults from nature. And that is, of course, our epidermis, our skin, our skeletal structure, we're designed perfectly, right? Of course, the mainstream wants to always get across this narrative that genetically we're flawed, and that we come out, we can come out messed up, and that nature is always failing, and we need technology, etc. So what they need to do is need to figure out a vector to get through our natural defenses to infect us with something. And we do believe that potentially, bioweapons have been created be using a vector like a like a tick, right? That is a potentiality of that also is not been soundly proven. There are theories around that and bear has seen them in his lab. And he's actually in that alpha cast, we talked about how he came down with Lyme disease, and he wasn't even bitten by a tick. So, so very, very interesting. So this idea of transference, causing illness between people is in many ways still a mystery. It really is. And there are theories out there. But the scientific method, if we go by that, has never properly shown or proven that that transference is through a material particle that goes from one body to another to cause disease. So in terms of the bioweapon, yes, using an insect as a vector as possible using radiation and other ways that are toxic to hurt people through toxicity through poisoning. Yes, that is a way definitely they can do. Now, of course, the term bioweapon is biological weapon, right using biology. So in terms of like bacteria, bacteria in itself is inherently intelligent, right? It is not something that is easily understood still by mainstream science, they don't even understand or they won't admit to what we call the pleomorphic cycle, which means that bacteria actually goes through an evolution of different forms depending on the terrain or atmosphere that it's in. And it in we have theories, and we'll be doing an alpha cast on this bear is putting together that they actually are independently conscious and have a mind of their own and can do a lot of amazing things, including pleomorphically going back to the little spark we call like a protid, that is the spark of life that's indestructible. So whether they have been able to, you know, somehow biologically engineer that to hurt someone, that would require essentially really, really cutting edge, I don't know, genetic manipulation that I've never seen to happen one, because their whole theory of what DNA is, is seeming to be fraudulent and wrong. And two, they don't even understand how bacteria works, at least in what they admit in their papers. So for them to say that they've been able to manipulate that into a weapon doesn't make sense, because they're literally explaining bacteria in a totally wrong way. Yeah, so yeah, it's it's a fascinating rabbit hole to go down. And we've been covering it for years with AlphaCast. [Speaker 2] (18:02 - 18:25) Yeah, real quick, I want to say, so when you see on the news, when you see on TV shows, and in the movies, like everyone that works in virology, and they're wearing all these outfits, and tubes and make sure that they don't get infected or exposed, like in your opinion, are they doing that based on just the false premise thinking that they're going to be exposed to something? So it's all ultimately at the end of the day theater? [Speaker 1] (18:26 - 23:29) So this is a really good question. And I've thought about this quite a bit, just based on my and others interactions with virologists and molecular biologists on Twitter, and, and and just the the eye, the understanding of what's gone on the last three years with respect to so called agents of the state, or just doctors in general who genuinely believe what they're doing, despite it being on a false premise. I think the same applies to virologists, molecular biologists, etc, etc. They genuinely believe what they're doing. They genuinely believe they're working with pathogenic particles in a lab. And on the gain of function experiments, specifically, doctors, Sam and Mark Bailey, go into extensive details for a session during the end of COVID, covering the known, quote, viral gain of function experiments that have occurred and show very clearly that it's, it's obvious for anyone who can look with an objective eye, right, that there are so many unproven assumptions involved in this process of quote, creating a gain of function virus, that you cannot possibly claim or know what you're claiming to know. And you have definitely not proven what you're claiming to prove. And these experiments we have to remember, are, you know, without getting into too many details are just a continuation of this pseudoscientific cell culture, viral isolation, viral cultivation process. That's simply what it is. It's just a continuation of that using animal models using injections using multiple passages, etc, etc. But it's all based on a completely false, completely unproven premise that the overwhelming majority, the overwhelming majority, even the overwhelming majority of the, you know, freedom minded doctors and health freedom minded doctors are latching on to. And it's all rooted, well rooted in several places, Basham versus Pasteur, of course, but at the least in modern times, in a series of experiments that were done by John Franklin Enders in 1954, claiming to have proven the existence and pathogenicity of the measles virus. And we go into great detail on what occurred in 1954 with John Franklin Enders. And we also go into great detail on what occurred with Basham versus Pasteur during the end of COVID to really add layers upon layers upon layers of context for what has happened with with virology. Yeah, I think I was just gonna dovetail on that and just say, I think a lot of people and this is with a lot of sort of how control paradigms work, pyramid structures, etc. A lot of doubters to this, their immediate sort of logical fallacy they go to is, you know, basically this can't exist because it would mean everyone's in on it. Right. And I think it's really important to understand how one paradigms exists and how those are structured through society, through specific institutions that are centralized and top down, and how the system of belief doesn't rely upon deep, you know, wide conspiracy, it just relies upon belief from belief through institutional compartmentalization, just like how Alec, you know, the military does it. And so these people I true, you know, for the most part, truly believe in this, I have family members that were top top level physicists and biologists in government labs, I've been to labs where there were literally men outside the door with assault rifles and went in and saw the collider in Brookhaven labs. And I was a kid in in Long Island, and my uncle, you know, really truly believes in all this stuff. I know he's not in on it. And that is a paradigm that I believe is completely false, the particle paradigm of science, or at least it's severely flawed. So I think it's important for us to reflect on the true nature of society based on what I like to call the cult of scientism and materialism, and how that underlying factor plays into all of this. And we do a pretty good job of going into that with the end of COVID. One of my favorite interviews was with James Tunney, one of my favorite thinkers in the world. You guys are familiar with who James Tunney is, and we go deep in to the cult of scientism and the history of it going all the way back to like the 16 1700s. And how that has led up to all of this that is planned, it's planned by specific circle round table groups that actually, for the most part, you don't know if they totally believe it, but they want this to be their reality. So it actually gets quite simple when you start to see, you know, how society is structured around these sort of centralized, institutional setups. [Speaker 2] (23:32 - 23:58) There's such a psychological component to everything as well, too, because you think of people who have spent so much time and energy and resources, believing in a certain dogma that to take in new information would mean to challenge your entire identity as a human being and who you are and what you've learned all the money that you've spent. And so like that, that's something that just can't be thrown out the window, especially in the conversation of everybody's in on it. It's like, it's much deeper and more nuanced from a psychological standpoint as well. [Speaker 1] (23:59 - 24:06) Yeah. I didn't know your uncle held that position, Mike. I always had a feeling you would control the position, but thank you for confirming that. Illuminati confirmed. [Speaker 3] (24:08 - 24:11) Early on in the piece, you guys mentioned Dr. Cowan early. [Speaker 1] (24:12 - 29:36) He had a video that went, you know, no pun intended, viral, correlating the introduction of and roll out of 5G with what was taking place in relation to COVID. Is that still Dr. Cowan's position? And would you guys stand on that? Yeah. So I don't want to speak on what Dr. Cowan's position is or is not definitively, but I, from my understanding, and I talked to Dr. Cowan quite a bit, that is not, he, he hasn't taken as strong of a stance on that as of late as he did previously. Now, now people tend to think in absolutes, like we're, we're all prone to it in some ways. And what I see happen amongst the, the so-called keep no virus team, if that's what you want to call it, or people who just take on the position that there's no proof of SARS-CoV-2, a lot of them will then basically just take out SARS-CoV-2 and then insert 5G. Ah, 5G is the key factor that called, that caused every one of these things and it caused COVID. But again, we have to remember, okay, what, what is COVID, right? Like what is that? COVID is an amalgamation of symptoms that are alleged to be caused by SARS-CoV-2 and they're alleged, this is alleged to be a distinct disease. But if you look at the COVID symptoms, there's nothing new. Now with that, people will jump on and be like, Oh, hold on, Alec. I experienced some shit that I had never experienced before. I'm not denying that. But what I'm saying is the amalgamation of symptoms that is COVID, if you look it up, I mean, you can look it up on the CDC and people be like, well, the CDC lies, but you look it up literally anywhere. I mean, it describes a set of symptoms that are not new symptoms. Is there a higher prevalence of symptoms in some cases, like loss of taste and smell, experience in people for extended periods of time? Yeah, there's maybe a higher prevalence of that. But again, going back to if you're saying that X exists and causes Y and you can apply this to anything, then you need direct proof that that is the case. Now, when it comes to 5G millimeter wave technology, and really you could put in the entire category of non-native electromagnetic fields, without question, there is pretty good evidence that this is bad for human health in prolonged periods. And it's cumulative. There's indications that it's cumulative. So with that, we do have the introduction or the widespread rollout of a new technology. Like this is not new per se in that it hasn't been used before, but the widespread introduction of it is relatively new. So we have to hold that in the back of our minds. So the likelihood that millimeter wave technology played a role in this is pretty high. I'd say there's a few correlative studies that I've shared on my telegram channel that show the rollout of millimeter wave technology in 5G in certain areas had higher incidents of COVID-19 positives and COVID-19 hospitalizations. But again, that goes back to what is COVID, but then it also goes back to the understanding that that's not how health works. And what I mean by that is it's very rarely one single thing is the cause of another single thing. There's so many factors at play in anyone's life that you can't possibly then take out that paradigm of, oh, it must be a virus causing my disease to, it must be 5G causing my disease. And in fact, that mindset is something that we need to unravel in its entirety, that there is one single thing that causes another single thing when it comes to human health. But Mike, I know you want to jump in on it. Well, I was just going to say that is one of the big truths that we are unveiling. We have many, many, many end of COVID. I mean, the end of COVID is not even close to just about COVID, as Alec was saying. That's just a container for educating people on the true nature of disease, yourself, your relationship to the external world, and what that means for your health moving forward. This is a massive paradigm shift that we're using COVID for. And so one of the great con games that allopathic medicine and mainstream medicine in general has used is the use of language to attach a certain groupings of symptoms. And usually it is from toxicity, mass poisoning, etc. And then relate that to some sort of disease name they create. And then of course, connect that to a remedy. It's usually a petrochemical medicine of some sort, or some sort of crazy, I don't know, radiation therapy or something that further poisons you usually. So that being said, that is one of the ultimate little tricks they use, right? Is they connect that with a specific now disease that's come out of nowhere. And then so that is a very, very important thing that we're trying to underline is that your health is your health. It's personal. It's a personal experience that you are having that has nothing to do with what someone else next to you is. I mean, that's possible if you're all being poisoned together, but even then there are an infinite amount of variables that come into play with how you will be affected by that same poison. [Speaker 2] (29:36 - 30:43) Yeah. And one of the main variable that I don't think enough people talk about is like your psyche is different than my psyche. You know, your psyche is different than Joel's psyche. And so how you're perceiving the events around you and the things that are happening are going to have an impact on your body and your body's adapting to the things that are going on in your psyche. And so even when we talk about like, oh, there was a greater number of loss of taste and smell. I mean, our society, our world has never gone through anything like what we went through starting in 2020. Like that impacted so many people's lives. I mean, jobs were lost. You were stuck in your home with like many people with like kids and parents and whoever. Some of them they didn't even like. We never experienced anything like that. So our psyches, our experience of our environment, of our life is so different. And so that's going to impact it too. So like I'm so in the same boat with all you, like it's so easy for people to go, well, this one thing causes that thing. But then it's like so many people, especially in allopathy and even in the alternative world, they leave consciousness at the door. Like your consciousness has such a huge impact. And I just think that's something that's not spoken about as often as it should be. [Speaker 1] (30:45 - 33:38) Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And like, it's interesting you bring that up because Brendan Murphy does a couple of sessions touching on the psychosomatic aspect of COVID, but then also another brilliant session later on, sort of re-contextualizing what so-called contagion may look like amongst people with the understanding that we all have measurable electromagnetic fields that surround our body. And then of course, we bring in Eileen McKusick's work with biofield tuning. And then we have a lot of interesting stuff on water. And then we are interviewing Melissa on German new medicine. We're kind of like weaving together in this, after we've dissolved the false nonsensical germ paradigm, what does health look like? What might it look like? And we start that with a beautiful opening, this video that was put together called what if my body is brilliant, that uses this like the Socratic method question asking to invite people to consider what might their health look like when it comes to this idea that viruses don't exist, that bacteria aren't these pathogenic entities, that they're just a part of our body's natural cleansing and healing process, et cetera, et cetera, to sort of open the container. And then we also put a big contextual disclaimer at the beginning of these sessions because people be like, well, have those things been tested in accordance with the scientific method? And it's like, we acknowledge that many of these things have not been tested in accordance with the scientific method. Some of them have, some of them haven't, but these new ideas that we're presenting, ultimately, because we've been so myopically focused on this unproven idea that disease is passed via the fluids of a sick person, we haven't given these other areas, these other possibilities, these other frameworks, modalities, et cetera, a good look, essentially. We haven't looked at them thoroughly in accordance with the scientific method, but we're just providing a, hey, this is what it might look like in a post germ nonsense paradigm. And I can, I just say to Brendan Murphy is so amazing at going deeper into consciousness with his work about past lives and everything. And I mean, talk about, you know, relating to that, like in terms of how you deal with stuff and this idea of miasms with, you know, in homeopathy and stuff that there, there's all sorts of other ideas in terms of why masses of people go through epidemic sort of, you know, effects that we don't even come close to in the mainstream. So, I mean, this is like really untouched territory. That's actually quite exciting that hopefully people coming out of this can find maybe some inspiration to do their own research more and more and start thinking bigger and, and, and I don't know, just getting more in tune with what role spirit plays in their health. [Speaker 2] (33:39 - 34:15) Yeah. It's also about getting out of just blaming something external too, and being curious and coming to an event like the end of COVID and being exposed to all these amazing speakers. Maybe they agree with a lot of what one person says and not as much, but they're taking this in and they're able to go, oh, wow. Let me self reflect. Let me be curious. How does this apply to my life? If I look back five years ago, oh wait, I got sick or I got diagnosed with this thing. What was happening in my life then? What, you know, where was I, where was I living? What was going on in the climate? What was the zeitgeist? Like it's just creates a much broader view for you to kind of take stock of an inventory of what's going on inside of you. [Speaker 1] (34:17 - 35:05) Yes. The great paradigm shift we're talking about is the realization that the external is mostly fiction, not all fiction. We were talking about a revolution of consciousness and understanding the inner game. It was great. I actually got to interview Tom Barnett towards the end and that's what we talked about. And this sort of understanding is revolutionary in a time of materialism, right? Yeah. And I think that to me is what's most exciting is that this is paradigm shifting for the individual is just as much as the society, but for the individual to start becoming way more empowered with their own ability to self heal and self regulate in their lives and with their family. That to me is the paradigm shift that gets me up every morning and gets me excited to go work and do this event. [Speaker 3] (35:05 - 35:09) Yeah. I think it's also like a revolution of self-responsibility, you know? [Speaker 1] (35:10 - 37:28) Yeah. Because like that's always been the key premise for the boogeyman to exist is, you know, man's aversion to self-responsibility. I really sense and feel that's shifting now. Dude, you could not be more spot on with that. And like, I got it. This is a shameless plug. That's why we've partnered between Alpha Vedic and The Way Forward with The Sovereign's Way and Law for Mankind. Because for anyone who's taken the knowledge share that's provided by The Sovereign's Way, their Law for Mankind knowledge share, that's literally what the entire course is about at a fundamental level is self-responsibility, self-ownership. And so when it comes to freedom, of course, you can't talk about what's gone on with COVID the last three years and beyond without talking about health freedom and our rights, you know? And that's why we've partnered with Law for Mankind because it's just as important, maybe if not more important, to educate people on how to be free. And it's funny, kind of like using Law for Mankind as an example for those who've taken the course, you'll know what I'm talking about. When you get sent this, you're like, oh, this is going to be an amazing course on how to procedurally take back my own freedom, right? And then you take the course and Modules 2, 5, and 8 hit you like a freaking ton of bricks. And it's like, holy shit. I'm having to face my own shit. I've been the one getting in my own way of being free. There's no boogeyman out there, whether particles or government agents. And I'm not going to pretend that there aren't people who will infringe upon you, but are you attracting that into your own life? And ultimately, in large part, I would say the majority, your own fears are what's preventing you from feeling and acting and being fully free. And that's kind of what Law for Mankind is centered around. And I think we can say this clearly with your audience, but for those who come in that we're attracting outside of our traditional audience, and we are, like I was on one American news network today. We can talk about this event. We were at Nashville with a bunch of like, there's this dude there that was selling Trump honey, like Trump, Trump, head honey. I don't like it. Like literally honey bottles that are shaped like man, honey, orange. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (37:28 - 37:32) Bro, I only eat MAGA honey, bro. I only eat MAGA honey. [Speaker 1] (37:32 - 40:06) I don't want to knock like, like Courtney, Courtney is, is awesome. And she, she put on an amazing like event and those that's probably just the crowd that she attracted in Nashville, who's freedom oriented, but like, cause she's super, she's super good. So she gets the no virus thing. She gets the self-ownership thing. She gets voluntarism. But the point is that was like the crowd that was inevitably there in any way, like that's the crowd that we're attacking or attracting with the end of COVID. We're really trying to like get into that crowd. Who's latched on to gain a function. Who's rallying against the system. Who's constantly looking out there, what they're doing. What are these people doing to us rallying outside their courthouse, et cetera, et cetera, to educate them properly on, Hey, health is your responsibility. Your freedom is also your responsibility. And that's what we educate people on extensively during the end of COVID at that event. I heard so much of the battle we're in the war we're in the fight we're in and Alec and I come from because we understand not only our rights, but living in the private that's waving the flag of neutrality. We're not here to fight. We're here because we understand who we are and we just want to be neutral and we want to live our out in the most loving way to serve our fellow men and women. We're not here to fight. And when you're in the private and when you understand these core principles life is really fun and it's easy going and it's calm and you have the ability and awareness of how to protect yourself and defend yourself if you're trespassed against. And it's very much like a great martial artist. You've got the skill sets now to be able to navigate the world without this feeling that I got to go fight the man. 100%. That is the great PSYOP. When you're out there fighting, you get sick because now you're fighting yourself. You're fighting everything. It's like, it wears you out. You're in the sympathetic fighter fight or flight mode and boom, you get worn down and there you go. You get the sniffles and Joel, you're really good at educating people and inspiring people to get out of victimhood and focusing on the external. Love your posts about that. And obviously we see a massive epidemic of victimhood, especially in the lower, excuse me, the younger generations. I'm a proud ex-Gener. So we still had like kind of a, got beat down when we were kids and knew not to be victims, the latchkey kids. But yeah, this is the thing that we're really trying to inspire people through the wisdom and knowledge of this event is that you got this. It's all in you, bro. Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (40:06 - 40:54) And this is why like becoming more whole and I'm a student of psychology. So the more that you integrate within yourself and, you know, allow to, um, to come forward from the unconscious, you're not going to project it as much out. So there's this people out there warring and warring and warring, and they just have no idea that there's a war happening within them, that they're just completely unconscious too, because they repress so much within them. And so, you know, I think the future isn't some, some image of perfection and Joel and I talk about this all the time, but it's wholeness and really getting to know those parts of us that maybe we don't really want to acknowledge, you know, the things that we've pushed down that we've repressed the wounds, the trauma, and be able to create a container within ourself. Talk about having a healthy nervous system to be able to have the container to hold space for these parts of us. And I think that's a piece that's also missing. [Speaker 1] (40:55 - 42:51) Alec's been really good lately of communicating this out through his channels about this, like, you know, whole dichotomy of being a freedom fighter. Right. And, you know, we have to have compassion for each other. And that's what Alec has really been good of late is like, Hey, stop calling. Like we, we jokingly and updated, call it the N word. Don't say the N word now, which is normie because that's, that's putting them down. Like, let's stop playing into that discord because that is what they prey on. Once again, those like controlling passions, divide and conquer, divide and conquer, eating that loose baby, loose, loose cereal, you know, and the compassion comes through when you listen, you're patient, but you stand firm, yes, stand firm in what you know, and you're brave in that. And then on the flip side, as you mentioned, you're awesome. Most people are dealing with a lot of trauma in this realm. And that's what music and skies about. It's like, come out to this event, come with people who are going to be compassionate, understanding, and hug you to death, no matter what your beliefs are. And let's get in the ice bath. Let's shake it out. Let's get some dancing on, you know, let's just get away from the technology out in the middle of wilderness, put your phones down and let's shake it out together and figure out where we can go from here as compassionate, loving souls who get sovereignty. Yeah, I think, you know, the key there is, man, to have compassion for another, you have to have compassion for yourself in the first place. And throughout the past three years, many people have just developed this identity of having to be in antagony with something else external to them. You know, they're pretty much swept away from 2020 into forming this new collective identity of now we're freedom fighters. You know, now here is our purpose. Here is our meaning. I waited my whole life, you know, but you've got to go deeper than that. [Speaker 3] (42:51 - 42:54) At the end of the day, you know, people, people are stuck there now. [Speaker 1] (42:54 - 43:05) And now as the, as the narrative is dying, as, you know, kind of mainstream's coming around in some degree, a little bit, you know, the question remains to these individuals, like, who am I? What do I stand for now? [Speaker 3] (43:06 - 43:12) You know, what is my purpose beyond this thing that I've been fighting for so long, so intensely? [Speaker 1] (43:13 - 46:59) Can I say one thing on that real quick? I'm sorry, because this is so important to understand. There's a reason why they separated us and put us in boxes and made us connect through Zoom. Because that very system, which goes back to ARPNET, and the military industrial complex is designed to create discord, is designed to separate and is designed to create false paradigms and pseudo realities in total simulacrum, which is divide and conquer. So when people have this identity as a freedom fighter, how is that usually? Maybe it's going to a rally here and there, but usually it's on a Facebook group, right? Usually it's on a Twitter feed. And those are literally designed to force you into a competitive, argumentative role with someone else to prove your point. We see, and we all know this, right? And it's then designed to reward you for those who like you and join your tribe. So this is why I'm so passionate about decentralized technology, because we're not getting out of the digital world. We're not going back. Sorry, guys. Those who want to be Luddites and go hide your head in the sand in your farm, eventually that sand, if you do that, will go away and it'll be a boot stopping on your head forever. Okay, so it's very important to understand the design of this and then step out of it and use it to our own benefit to continue to connect like we're doing here, right? We're getting all this great information out through a digital system. And do it in a way that is now, you know, in line with natural order with natural law and the beauty of what it means to be human. That's what I do with Cordel. And that's what we're trying to do with these online communities. We're doing with the way forward with Alpha Vedic is bringing it back to on the digital on a digital platform that isn't designed to do exactly that and put you in that sort of I'm a freedom fighter because this is my crew and F you meet me in the comments, bro. You know? Well, yeah, there's another thing that I've like I've been thinking on quite a bit. And I thought that when I was at this event this last weekend amongst a bunch of people who are certain that the only way or at least the primary way we can get our freedom back is to get Trump in office or you get X, Y, and Z in office or to reform our elections. There's like a few different people there who are a part of this, like the largest American election reform committee. And I got to thinking because every one of them in their speech was talking about freedom. Like we need to do this for our freedom. Like this is for freedom. We're freedom fighter. Like let's take a step back for a second. Are the freedom that you're referring to? Is that the same freedom that I'm referring to? Because the freedom that you seem to be referring to is that we're all ideologically entrenched in this one way that is very right-leaning, very conservative, very patriotic, that for many is very much Christian. And that's not hating on those who are Christian. But that's the freedom sense that many of these people seem to be taking on. And the freedom that I and you guys and Winner are coming from is completely different than that. The freedom that we're talking about, first off, has more to do with the internal environment than it does the external environment. But even with that, the external environment looks like this. I'm not going to impose or infringe upon you so long as you don't impose or infringe upon me. And from there, we can coexist in harmony. That's it. And it's a completely different version of freedom than so many of these so-called freedom fighters. [Speaker 2] (47:01 - 47:29) There were a lot of those there too. I mean, it's again going back to individualism versus collectivism. Even these groups that want to get their person in office, they want their person to have the most influence within the collective to then put their view of freedom on the collective and determine what is right for everyone as opposed to bringing them back to the individual. So it's similar on both sides, but the way they go about it may be different. [Speaker 1] (47:29 - 48:28) In all fairness, in that group, I mean, on the weekend there, well, partly because of us, Etienne was there. Howard was there. And he was in the back with me and yelling, yes, you know, and yeah, vote harder. And Mark Gover. And Mark Gover. Just vote harder. Right. And Mark Gover. Yeah. And of course, talking about voluntarism on stage and trying to get those little nuggets through. And that's the other, that's a, that's like right up there with end of COVID. That's why we're like Mark and both of them are involved in this because that's the other big paradigm shift, right? The whole democracy sort of government approach to the way society is organized towards more self-governance and self, you know, activation and however you want to call it. That is the other, that's the big paradigm shift too. And that all comes down to the same thing, right? Self-actualization and taking responsibility for your own actions. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (48:29 - 49:09) I want to get some thoughts on RFK Jr. Because what I'm seeing all of a sudden is a huge collective of individuals who since Biden got elected have said, I'm exiting the political game. I'm exiting the two party system. All politics is corrupt. I'm done for good. All of a sudden seem to buy back in quite emotionally. Now that he's started running and campaigning and made his announcement. So I just want to get some thoughts on that from whoever's willing. [Speaker 1] (49:11 - 52:04) You go ahead winner. Okay. So this is fascinating to me because what was a major part of, well, if you believe that, I don't believe Trump was organically elected. I believe that was all part of it, the system set up. But what on the show was very instrumental in him getting elected. It was the alternative right-leaning media, Alex Jones, Infowars, that played a big role in the groundswell movement of the Trump revolution. You want to call it that, whatever they call it, right? I see it as actually planned at this point. I mean, look what he did. It's very obvious that he played right into the system and he has connections with Kissinger and all that. So that being said, I think they have amazing systems of prediction and AI and all this. They've had it for a long way longer than what we're seeing with GPT and all that. They can see by the numbers what is trending. What is trending since COVID and they probably already planned all new. This was the alternative, the new alternative scene of alternative health, alternative wellness. And that connects to the divide between the libertarian and the more left leaning Democrat, everybody, right? And so who's better than someone that's a Kennedy to be aligned to get people back in. And that doesn't even require Kennedy to be in on it. Just like Trump very well wasn't in on it. They just use these people. So Kennedy is a perfect platform for them to get their boy and get them in there possibly, or at least cause a lot of distraction and get people back into believing in the voting system and democracy so that they can then continue on the fictional government that they do. So I think he's being played. I think it's, it's all show and people are falling for it again. I think, I think that's what it is. It's buying back the life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to comment on that a little bit further. And it's like, I completely agree with everything that winter said just now, like completely agree in at the same time, you know, I was talking to Dr. Edith about this on the phone last night, cause she asked me, she literally asked me the exact same question. What do you think, what do you think about the whole Kennedy thing? And I said, well, you know, like I essentially shared the same sentiments that winter just shared here now. And she's, and I said, what do you think? And she said, you know, it's kind of like my, my six degrees of, of the school system thing that she talks about how it's like, you know, there's public school. And then the step below that is these private schools. And the step away from that would be like Waldorf and Montessori schools, like alternative schools and step away from that as homeschooling and a step away from that as unschooling and a step away from that as self-directed learning. There's like six layers, right? She was like, I just, I just kind of see, I hope I can say this publicly, Dr. E, don't kill me. And for those wondering who he's talking about, that's Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan, who's a dear friend of ours. I'm not the previous guest. [Speaker 2] (52:05 - 52:06) She's the freaking best. [Speaker 1] (52:06 - 57:05) And she said, you know, it's, it's, I think it's, it's, it's like good on some levels in that, like, at least for some, they're taking a step in the right direction. Like I would rather them vote for this than vote for that. But you know, I'm at the point of voluntarism and I'm like six layers deep where some people might only be at two or three or four. And it was such an important reminder for me because I both acknowledge that there are people who are absolutely what I would say, taking a step backwards that we're seeming to go to level, like we want to do that six layers that she talks about seeming to go to level three and four and understand, like, I know people who understand the, the lie of the, the fictitious straw man and the birth certificate and the war powers act who are pumping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on their social media and his campaign. I'm like, okay, that's unbelievably inauthentic one, or at the least, like, how can you be saying all of that and have such a clear understanding for it and then be pumping this here like that, that, that does, that doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. So it does seem that there are some people who have taken steps back, but at the same time, there are some people who are maybe taking steps forward who are just waking up. And at the least, this is getting some conversations into the mainstream. Now there's, there's a huge exception to that. And, and it requires an understanding of exactly what winter just talked about with respect to the, the the overarching like wild gang of nefarious actors that, that that's what Greg calls them. Understanding that the alternative is becoming the attractive thing. Like it's the cool thing now to take on an alternative perspective. You see so many people jumping the ship of the mainstream and they're just what they did to my house music, bro. They made it EDM. There you go. Exactly. Exactly. So, so, so with that, when the alternative perspective is becoming much more attractive and you're not, let's take virology as an example, or like just the whole idea of infectious diseases in this whole allopathic paradigm, and we're not getting to the core of it. And the, the, the accepted leaders, namely RFK, and then you could also throw Dell, big tree, Robert Malone, and all these other people in there are then pumping the idea of one safe vaccines, refusing to touch on the idea that there is no virus. And in fact, Robert Malone calling anyone who's pumping that disinformation agents, literally, he said that on his Twitter. And, you know, you're still holding this whole idea of, of the viral genome to be legitimate. What you're creating is the very foundation of the pandemic industrial complex. And what I mean by that is what they're moving towards, especially in the language. And we cover this in the session during the end of COVID called the who pandemic treaty. We go in great detail during this, Jesse Zerwell and James Roguski, they're going to use this genomics stuff, right? Based on the idea that there is viruses to, in a weaponized fashion where they can go to a pig farm or a chicken farm or something like that, or literally just go to a local town and they'll use this, these nonsensical genetic tools like RTPCR and things like this. They'll, they'll test someone positive or let's say they test negative for known pathogens, but then they sequence the genetic material and they, they assemble a new so-called genome. Then they say, ah, this, this pig or this, like whatever has tested positive for a new novel virus. And then because of the MRNA technology, because of the infrastructure that was put into place over the last three years, it's bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And now the whole world is in a new pandemic state. Like the whole world is now succumbing to this narrative instantaneously because of the infrastructure that was put into place. And that is precisely why it is so important to get to the root of the virology fraud, because without doing that, acknowledging that we need safer vaccines and you know, I won't say it's Children's Health Defense's presentation, but they shared someone on one of their platforms and their screenshots of it floating around everywhere. And there are legitimate Children's Health Defense things where they interviewed someone who's talking about genetically identical vaccines. It still reinforces the idea that there's ever anything to vaccinate for in the first place. And that's where it's very clever, like propping up Bobby on this pedestal and having him be the prevailing leader of the alternative side. And he's failing to even ever get close to the root of what allows all this to perpetuate in the first place and actually upholding much of it to be legitimate is a very dangerous, dangerous path, in my opinion. [Speaker 2] (57:06 - 57:30) Yeah, man, I hear what you're saying. It kind of popped into my mind when you talk about like they or the power structures kind of jumping on what's popular. It just makes me think of back in the days when you had like Colgate buying Tom's and all these other companies like Kraft buying like the other product that was popular. It just seems like they're just getting in on the mix, you know, getting their fair share and trying to control how things are put out there. [Speaker 1] (57:31 - 58:21) Well, you got to keep in mind they all are corporations. Government is a corporation because we're dealing with the public. So it's all fiction because corporations are corpses. They're not living there, you know, and that's what I love about being partnered with the Sovereign's Way. Once again, with the end of COVID, it's like in the end, we hope that people get out of this the ability to see through the BS psyops. Because when you have the basic tools to understand who you are and how this whole realm functions, then it becomes quite apparent when someone's trying to pull something over you, right? And you can see the magic trick easier. I think I hopefully that's what people really get out of this is, oh, they can start to see the magic tricks all around them and then just be like, Okay, doesn't affect me. I have the tools and now to, you know, protect myself and move on and create beauty. Awesome. [Speaker 2] (58:21 - 58:25) What's your ultimate vision for end of COVID? Like, how many people do you want to be exposed to it? [Speaker 1] (58:26 - 59:22) Millions. We want this to be the biggest online event of the year. And in doing so, it's been a massive undertaking for our small little group. We've already run into some issues with the launch, you know, trying to really make sure because one, literally the domain is the end of COVID. So we know it's going to get targeted. So we were doing everything in our power to not use any centralized services or any third parties, which is impossible until cordals fully launched and capable of doing that. So in that doing so, and this is like beyond anything I've done, because I'm like the technical director of this project. I've I must say I took on way more than I ever have. And it slapped me in the face a bit this week with the launch. And I humbly apologize and, and, and take on that responsibility. And we are moving forward in a way as gracious as possible. So we've had to delay a little bit. [Speaker 3] (59:23 - 59:24) It's good. [Speaker 1] (59:24 - 1:01:38) It's all good. Like we're delaying intentionally. And honestly, we don't even really need to delay. But at this point, just because we know that this information is so freaking unbelievably important, and that it's cutting to the very core of both the the freedom, I guess you could say fraud, and also the the viral fraud, both, which are the very foundational things that allowed and all this nonsense to continue, or to even begin in the first place, we're cutting to the core of it. And because of that, we want to make sure our website is impenetrable, and that we have the best overall user experience. So we've we've set the launch date for July 11. That's when it will launch now. And we just want to make sure that our website, its infrastructure is robust, and that we're good to go. Because we know that there's going to be some people out there who are not going to like that this exists, and they're going to attempt to target it. Yeah, and that's what I was getting at. This is this information is too important to not do it. Right. And like, as right as possible. And if that means delaying a little bit, that's what we're going to do. So I am super excited about the team we have and how this is releasing right now. And you can go to the end of COVID calm and check it out the sites live, you can become an affiliate, we're all about the groundswell movement of promoting this, you have the ability to print out posters we've created, and just start slapping those around your town, share with your friends and family, because that's really what we're going to need. Because the censorship is just ramping up with these types of, you know, you guys know how it is. And, you know, for me, it's just, I'm just excited to see this information reaching this amount of people. Because when I was talking about this with bear, back in the day, like this was weird, like this was the most conspiratorial thing to talk about the germ theory. This was way crazier than, you know, Sasquatch and aliens and all that. You got put in the far weird corner of the internet. When you were talking about viruses don't exist, you don't get sick from someone coughing on you. It was the most it was like Amanda Volmer, us. Who else? Oh, gosh, what's his name? He passed away. We interviewed him once and from Canada. [Speaker 2] (1:01:39 - 1:01:41) Resnick, Resnick. David Crow. [Speaker 1] (1:01:41 - 1:01:58) David Crow. I mean, there was people out there, but we, you know, you go to the whale.to whale2 website and stuff, but it was all like really in the confines of the weird parts of the internet. And now look at it. Thanks to COVID. [Speaker 2] (1:01:58 - 1:02:06) Like, it's going. That's the silver lining of everything that went down in 2020 is people are way more open to these ideas. [Speaker 1] (1:02:08 - 1:02:52) I see how ridiculous and yeah, it means how, like it doesn't work. Whatever we think what they are saying is reality and how that's supposed to work clearly isn't because society is fracturing all around us in like the public sphere. I mean, look at it. It's just becoming more and more crazy to the point where people are having to come up with all sorts of ideas of what reality is now and Mandela effects and all this because it just seems like reality is splintering all around us. It's not because reality is, you know, reality is here. It's natural. It's it's we're all experiencing it together. It's just that the systems that they've set up suck because they're based on improper actual laws, fake laws and fiction and all stuff they've created. That's not real, right? [Speaker 2] (1:02:53 - 1:03:14) Yeah. You know, we talked about war earlier and I know you're talking about, you know, exposing the virology lie, but even just diving into the whole concept of the immune system and what that really is and that's been thrown on people as well. And I think people need to gain a new understanding of how they've been misdirected with that term that gets thrown everywhere. Oh, well, you didn't get sick. It's OK. You got a good immune system. That's why. [Speaker 1] (1:03:14 - 1:04:04) Yeah, the function of medicine people drive me crazy with that. Yeah, there's a whole alternative industry around that that is just cleaning up shops since covid long covid. You got long covid come to me, you know. Yeah, it's predator. It's a predator class amongst the alternative practitioners that are using this to just keep like it's like two point germ theory 2.0, you know, it is. Well, it's allopathic medicine 2.0. It's like literally just a green version of allopathy instead of treating with treating the symptoms or masking the symptoms or perpetuating symptoms. I'm sorry, I'm laughing because Joel type in the chat. I've got sick of it. Oh, man. Oh, those are the chefs I like. Well, I mean, shit. You start my train of thought and I think you guys got an editor. You guys got it. [Speaker 3] (1:04:04 - 1:04:06) No, you're going to keep it. That was good. [Speaker 1] (1:04:06 - 1:04:09) We even like too good. [Speaker 3] (1:04:10 - 1:04:29) I want to bring up something like recently, obviously, now we've seen the mainstream mention this whole Jamie Foxx having blood clots and paralyzations from the mRNA covid vaccine. Apparently, why is this in the mainstream media, according to you guys? [Speaker 1] (1:04:29 - 1:08:19) And what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, so I've thought a lot about this, actually. Well, first off, we have to look at the sparse pandemic scenario that was released by Johns Hopkins in 2017. It's like sparse 2025 and it was like a fictional pandemic simulation that Johns Hopkins ran. And in the sparse pandemic playbook, which I will say it's pretty interesting if you go read it, like the timeline of events, I won't say has followed it identically, but like what's happened over the last three years, trends alongside the sparse pandemic scenario pretty well. And in the sparse pandemic scenario playbook, they talk about how the government and the media begin acknowledging vaccine injury to some degree. And I don't know what the purpose is, but nonetheless, the playbook does start to acknowledge it. So that's really interesting. That lingers in the back of my mind. But with that, I've thought about the implications of why. So the amount that I share this statistic is probably getting to be annoying at this point, but it's just the magnitude of it is so crazy to me. And I don't really hear many other people talking about it. The second strongest risk factor for death associated with a COVID label, which is effectively meaningless, but with a COVID label and a study conducted by the CDC published in July of 2021 on 500,000 people who passed away due to COVID. Second strongest risk factor for death was fear slash anxiety related disorders. Right? So what is the biggest issue at play with all this? I would argue in large part, if not most importantly, fear slash anxiety. Perpetual fear is the issue. So with that, for those who have fucked up and realized they made a mistake in receiving the shot, maybe they're not awake to other vaccines, maybe they're just superficially awake, at least they're awake that they made a mistake in receiving the product or they're injured or something like that. What better way than to put them in a freaking just absolutely traumatized state than to start sharing that these celebrities are becoming paralyzed and things like this. I don't discount that that's true. I would say it's probably true that that's happening with Jamie Foxx. And of course, we interviewed during the end of COVID. One of the interviews, it didn't happen on this interview, but her name's Felicity Jackson. And when I was interviewing her for health and for humanity, she had a freaking seizure during the interview and her boyfriend had to take over. So of course, vaccine injury is real. It's dark. It's fucked. It's so fucked. But all that to say, what better way to scare people and put them in another perpetual state of fear for the large number of people who took the shot than to start sharing these stories. When in my mind, what needs to be dispelled more than anything is that perpetual fear. And to help people understand that even if you took the shots, yes, that was a mistake. Yes, the healing process is an arduous task for some people who have succumbed to their conditioning enough to where they've made these types of mistakes. But with that, the body is self-healing. The body is self-regenerating. You can overcome and you can heal. And what frustrates me to no fucking end about the alternative community are those who are calling themselves purebloods. That label is fine because it's an accurate label to some degree, possibly. Possibly, right? That's a whole other conversation on the implications of so-called this material integrating into your genome. I don't believe any of that bullshit. Also, though, like a weird inversion into sort of like supremacy and... [Speaker 3] (1:08:19 - 1:08:19) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (1:08:19 - 1:08:22) It's another othering. It's another form of othering. [Speaker 1] (1:08:22 - 1:09:15) But it's the people who do that, who call people vaxtards, who call people sheeple, like almost exclusively and then only perpetuate fear for those who got the shots. Are you just trying to prove yourself right at this point? Wouldn't a better approach be to say, hey, there's actually nothing to fear in the first place. You may have fucked up this time, but guess what? The exciting news is your body is self-healing, self-regenerating, and you can overcome this. And once you overcome this, you will know, damn, my body is so fucking powerful. I never need to get one of these things ever again. And that's the most important thing is that dispelling that idea that you need something outside of you to help save you and helping people understand you have all that you need right here within yourself, within your own body, dispels the need to ever get any of these products in the first place. Like, that's what we should focus on. [Speaker 2] (1:09:15 - 1:09:39) Yeah. Your body's a miracle, man. Your body's a freaking miracle. And I'm 100% agreement about the fear thing. So many people in the alternative community are just like talking shit and saying all these things. You know what's going to happen? There's going to be mass casualty event. People are going to die left and right. And like, you know what? You've got to send this documentary called Died Suddenly to everyone who got the vaccine in your family. And it's like, what are you talking about? Like, we need more. [Speaker 1] (1:09:39 - 1:09:42) Did you know that there's snake venom in all the water? [Speaker 2] (1:09:43 - 1:09:43) Yeah, bro. [Speaker 1] (1:09:44 - 1:09:59) Totally. It could be a brilliant PR move by the RFK Jr. camp, you know, using their celebrity connections to get that out. Because, you know, that's his platform is the anti-vax. You know, that's what they're. So, yeah, I don't know. [Speaker 2] (1:10:00 - 1:10:33) But it's really interesting just to think about. But I think the common thread is how do we how do we become more empowered? How do we not let fear drive our decision making on either end of the spectrum and and realize, man, we're amazing, like as individuals and our bodies are capable of anything. If I take a knife right now and just slice my finger right now, I don't have to do shit. I'm just if I just sat there with a time lapse camera, I just see it do some amazing things and start healing. And our bodies have that capability. We just have to have that deep trust in the miracle that is our biology. [Speaker 3] (1:10:33 - 1:10:33) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:10:45) What's super interesting is that we've done nearly three podcast episodes with Alec. He never said the word fuck. They just said it like 12 times in three minutes. I'm actually shocked by his mouth. Dude, have I not cussed ever on this? [Speaker 3] (1:10:46 - 1:10:49) I love that. [Speaker 1] (1:10:51 - 1:11:34) That shit makes me so irritated, man, like about the like I cannot stand that shit about the alternative community, man. Like it makes me so mad. Like what do you think if your goal if your goal is to try to like, you know, I don't think this should be anyone's goal, but some people will say that it is like my goal is to try to wake people up to really fuck. Do you think if you're fucking shaming and mocking and belittling the other people and then you yourself look like a raging lunatic and you're not peaceful and kind and loving and you're not thriving in your own life and you're just like a black pillar who's obsessively looking at what they're doing, is that attractive? Is that attractive at all? Are people going to want to jump ship from their perspective and come on to the way you're living? Fuck no. [Speaker 2] (1:11:34 - 1:11:57) You're just going to be, you're going to be in your little bubble and that's what people stay in. And I get it. Listen, also I want to have compassion for the fact that we all go through rites of passage, you know, in our truth journey, in the way we deliver information. I mean, I remember in the beginning of 2020, like I was like the fucking mean king on my Instagram stories and I was just sharing every freaking meme that was out there and a lot of them were probably like, you know, talking shit. [Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:12:46) Well, that's the thing too is when we've been gaslighted and ostracized from society so much, like of course, like that, that element and you know what? Ironically, I need to have more compassion for the people who are doing those things, but like it's gotten to a point where like the alternative side has become so common and it's just like a cesspool of people doing things that yeah, maybe you and I were doing in like 2020 and maybe 2021. But, but, but the point is, it's like, there are people who are aware that the body is self healing and self regenerating. I'll name one, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. She's literally said that before, like on multiple occasions. And then she was the one saying 60 million people are going to die because of the shot. Like it's going to happen. I'm like, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:12:47 - 1:13:12) I mean, to me, the way that I assess, you know, that group that's clinging so hard to the identities and having to label, you know, the other side is that kind of like I hinted to before, they've just formed this inflated sense of self, you know, and they're willing to do anything possible to keep that self reinvigorated. And the death of that persona now is like the worst thing in the world to them. [Speaker 1] (1:13:13 - 1:13:27) They have to continue to find ways to energize it and to keep it alive. Yeah. I mean, that's spot on. That's spot on. And it all goes back to like an identity crisis, I'd say, at a very fundamental level. [Speaker 2] (1:13:28 - 1:13:34) They over identify with certain parts of them, you know, and then they, those parts of them take over their psyche. [Speaker 3] (1:13:35 - 1:13:44) Yeah. If they built an audience or a following talking a certain way and behaving a certain way, you know, then all of a sudden, this is what people expect of me. This must be who I am. [Speaker 1] (1:13:44 - 1:14:10) They've got a brand and they've got an income from it. And it's, you know, a market dynamics involved with it. And there's a, you know, it plays on and plays into those, those easy pickings, right? The low hanging fruit. Yeah. Yeah. Which we don't have at Music in Sky. Well, that was my next question, man. Everybody there. [Speaker 2] (1:14:10 - 1:14:17) I was ready to go into like, Mike, tell us about Music in Sky and how that came about. [Speaker 1] (1:14:17 - 1:15:12) I've taken great pride and our compassion for everybody who comes and especially our 2021 event, which you're awesomest. I think I was the first one you came to the month, the big one on 4th July in 2021, which I would say was like, dude, that was balls hanging. Well, I'm getting to that. I'll shut up my bad. So that was like peak of the, of the insanity, right? Like major lockdowns, summer of 2021, like it's 2021. We did it in the fall. It was still kind of, it was, I mean, we were in deep into COVID, but it was still kind of new. Like we still didn't totally know what was going on in 2021. So I'm like, geez, when is this going to end? This is getting serious. And people were really hungry to, to gather. So that was a big event. It was up in the Western Sierras in the mountains and you're awesome. And Sophie came and had a blast doing body work. And then you guys are like in the rave section. That was back when we still had a lot of house music going. [Speaker 2] (1:15:12 - 1:15:13) That was hilarious. [Speaker 1] (1:15:14 - 1:17:36) But no, our, but this is the thing. And this is what we stood up for is, you know, we have vendors there that were quote unquote, you know, Normie or that, you know, we're there because they were just used. They wanted to come and work because all the festivals were shut down, right? There was no one doing festivals. So we had vendors there that were just kind of coming from sort of the regular slant on life. And we had a, we had a host, God love them, but he was doing rallying against them and saying, if you, we don't want any of your vaccinated skin in our ice baths, stay out of them, you know, keep your, you know, it was, it was gnarly. And we, we dropped the hammer on that. That's not acceptable here. We don't talk like that. It's not in tune with our vibe. We're here. If anybody's, you know, especially in 2021, brave enough to come out to an event like this, no matter what their beliefs are there, they're in, they're welcome to the community. And I'm not a, I don't follow the shedding narrative. That's another thing we talk about in this, like the whole, that's a total, another psyop about fear of shedding. And so, you know, get, keep your shedding out of our ice baths. Like, no, I want that person who maybe did make the mistake to get injected, to get in that ice bath. Maybe they're going to have an epiphany and awakening and realize and come to the healing understanding of what was the decision that drove me to do that. Not so much the after effects of what it's doing to my body, more importantly, why did I do that? Right. And so anyways, music in sky is for those who have heard of it, go to music in sky.com. It, we started it in 2020 because nobody in California, because gruesome Newsome was trying to tell us that we couldn't meet, we couldn't meet up and come dance and, and, and, you know, come together and hug and in the wilderness, like we love to do and listen to music and just be regular men and women and enjoying our lives. So we decided with my partners, Matt and Owen, uh, to throw a festival, an underground festival, like old school rave days. When I, you guys had me on the first time, it was kind of a weird one. I'd never done a podcast or just like talk about my life like that. Um, but you guys know my background a little bit. I was through raves and stuff. So I'm like an old school house DJ. So we kind of took that. And then we combine that with like really cutting edge health and wellness and law talks. So we talked about the germ theory, the false germ theory and Melissa, Dr. Melissa sell there talking, which you've had multiple times, I believe. [Speaker 2] (1:17:37 - 1:17:37) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:17:37 - 1:19:54) We have hang the banksters. Like awesome dude talking about common law and the legal fiction world. Uh, we were, we were talking about, uh, we had Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan there talking about cosmic kids. Um, a lot of people you've had on your show and back in the old days. And then Troy Casey was there, but naked doing Qigong and all that. And a big part of that was the ice bath. We had, we try to get everybody in the ice bath. Cause we feel like that is like kind of like one of our core things that we do. It just is grounding. And it's kind of like, it's an amazing immersive experience that can really help, uh, sort of shake your neurology out and kind of get a reset going without doing psychedelics. It's not a very music and sky is now really evolved out of that first year into a very sort of holistically minded, very intentional community-based event. That is not so much. It is a party in the sense that we're there celebrating life and each other, but it's not like a, like what many might think of a festival, like lightning in a ball or something where everyone's high on mushrooms and, and very like, Oh, I'm at the festy, you know, it's, it's, it's like Alec explains it. Well, it's like, uh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, dude. Cause I, like, I, I gotta say as someone who's put on a lot of events myself, and I will say this, we attract a lot of the same crowd and like our event as an example, the one that we did on the is awesome. Um, and we're, we're, we're doing another one after music and sky in October on Molly Englehart's farm. Mike's also DJing and speaking at that one too. And it will be Tom Cowan, Andy Kaufman, uh, Eileen McKusick, Kelly Brogan, and a bunch of others in California. No, in Texas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but inspired by music and sky, really, I gotta say because like the vibe that they create there is unmatched. I don't know of an event like it. Um, Mike and his team, Mike Owen and Matt have done a, such a good job with music and sky. It's, I always say this, it's like a farmer's market meets, uh, meets a music festival, meets a healing retreat meets a like doctor's conference meets an evangelical worship service. It's like the best parts of all of those things had a baby. And that would be what music and sky is. It's like the, it's like the best thing ever. [Speaker 2] (1:19:55 - 1:20:40) Yeah. I mean, I've gone to the last, I guess, what is it? Three now, 2021. And the two we did in 2022, I think, or anyways, I've been to the last, however many, and it's incredible. Great group of people. I mean, now like we got a chance to get deeper at the last one, which was, which was great. And it's just good food being in nature and, um, listen to some good speakers, but it's not too speaker heavy and just an opportunity to come together. That's why it's called the gathering. It's like a gathering of, uh, like-minded individuals that want to honor each other's sovereignty learn, but also chill because you know, our day-to-days can get a little crazy and to be able to kind of get away for a few days and be in the sun and the pool and, and, and communicate and be intimate as a is really important. And I love it, man. I can't wait. Uh, Sophie and I are going to be involved in speaking this, this, um, this time around as well. So excited about that. [Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:44) I mean, you got, you helped host it when I couldn't make it two years ago. [Speaker 2] (1:20:44 - 1:20:48) So I'm like, I say in like quotes, like you have to pull up. [Speaker 1] (1:20:49 - 1:24:52) No, no, no. That was swinging that D around. It's all free. That Greek D no, but we design it too, to be kind of like the old, like, like rave days up in the mountains and stuff. So it's remote, right. It T it's an adventure in itself to get there. And that's on purpose. That's intentional. Right. So this is, this is, uh, an event that's not like going, you're just going to this outside the city somewhere, or you're just, you're going to be inside a building or something. You're going to a beautiful space. That's completely curated and thought out where ideally you don't have service on your phone. You're going to be camping in a comfortable place. This place right now, this venue is extremely comfortable. It's like full kind of super glampy bougie, uh, really nice showers, a nice pool. It's farm to, you know, farm to table, family dinners and all that. Um, all inclusive, but that has always been what I love about like a truly good festival is that the whole entire thing is like a crazy, a journey to get there. And once you're there, you're like, I'm here. And you get to get escape, not saying we're into escapism because it's not like we're there to talk about real solutions and figure out stuff together in a harmonious way. But you get, like you're saying, you're awesomeness. You get to escape like the, the nine to five grind of social media and all that. And you're kind of in like a vortex of all of this beautiful energy where you can sort of be in a village for four days and experience as Eileen McKusick said, this is the future village I want to live in. And she was there last year. She says, can we make this just like our everyday reality always, you know? Yep. And I think that's how humans are designed to live. Um, and we talked about that in last week's sky, like what is the top number you should have in your community, right? Like when you say it's like 500 less like indigenous tribes kind of community or your cults. Well, are you going to join our cult? Uh, we have a secret handshake and, uh, no, we have gotten that, but so that's funny because we're actually, the goal is after this event, we're decentralizing. We've got an, uh, an online platform that's been up for a while now. And we're, we're going to be working on that more. But the idea is if we've gotten a lot of questions like, Hey, I want to have this in my neck of the woods here in Missouri or Kelly Brogan really wants to do one down in Miami. So we're setting up after into COVID and this music and sky and I have a little more time. We're going to have an online course. If you're into event production and wanted to learn how we do this because collaborative or excuse me, collectively, Matt Owen and I probably have 40 years of event experience together. I've been doing events for 20 years, Matt and Owen the same. So we have a lot of knowledge. That's probably what I do best is events. So we are going to put that into a course that you can take on our site. We're free. Take the course. And you, if you graduate, you become a music and sky official event producer. Then you can use all the resources on our site, all the event producers and everyone, the musicians that and the ability to sell tickets and everything, and to do a music and sky partnered event in your neck of the woods. We will work with you on that. And we will create that because quite frankly, this needs to go all over the place, this micro festival or micro gathering idea like this, the way we do it. And we don't have the ability to do ourselves. We want to decentralize it and have everyone else take take a role and being able to, you know, enjoy the prosperity from it, the abundance from it. And also take this to your neighborhood, take outside of California because a lot of people can't make it to California. Frankly, a lot of people don't want to come to California for the same. But I think I think like Del Carmen will be a great spot for a music and sky festival. I would be amazed. As long as it's once again, remote, you know, like has that aesthetic, because that's really important, right? If it's just like right outside the city, I don't know if it's music and sky. But yeah, I know that that is would be amazing. Count me in. I am there. [Speaker 2] (1:24:53 - 1:25:40) I love I love the micro festival in that sense, because I'm not into like thousands and thousands of people. I've never been into that. I don't like going into big stadiums and to be able to connect with like 150, 200, 300 people is just so cool, man. I loved it. I come back like refreshed and reenergized and rejuvenated because you have again, you talk about a cult before it's like it's not it's like individuals that come together because we are social beings at the end of the day. But when we honor each other, that's the way to do it, man. I'm not trying to force you to be any certain way. You're not trying to force me. We just connect with one another. And if we're aligned, we're aligned. And I love it, man. I can't wait. It's a couple of months away. It's going to be awesome. Anyone who's in California, anyone who's who's, you know, close to California or not wants to take a road trip or take a flight, just come out to be so much fun. Get to hang out with us. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:25:41 - 1:28:21) August 18th through the 21st, you can go join the music in sky dot com platform for as little as a dollar a month. It's our own decentralized platform on our site. And then you can start meeting people that are coming, figuring out carpooling, all of that. And we designed that on purpose because the one thing we found as you're awesome is kind of alluding to is lifelong friendships are made at this event because you're you're finding people that are one have a lot in common with you. They're free thinkers typically and are the more friendships many times of the way we think. And you have this intensive, like immersive experience. And it's very personalized. And people go through a lot of emotions at these. And you're sharing these moments with these folks and you become really close. And then you leave and you're like, no, I want to continue this right now. You live across the country. So this platform, the idea is allows you to stay connected and you can create your own groups and have private DMs and you're off the Facebook, Twitter. You're not in that an apticon. Right. So I think that's what's exciting about where we're going with music and sky is the vision of decentralization. But yeah, it's August 18th to 21st in Kuyama Valley, which is east of Santa Barbara in this beautiful valley in central California. It's remote. You can find like Bakersfield, I believe, is the closest or, you know, Burbank or LAX. And yeah, come out, man. We've got Kelly Brogan speaking this year. Dr. Bear Lando is going to do a keynote around the Grand Fire. Some other surprises on the way. Zuby's performing. Yeah, it's Alex Zek is going to be doing an awesome talk. That guy, it's going to be a great time. And then you're awesome. And Sophie, it's going to be like your third, third go at presenting. And you guys are always a hit there. And you're, you're definitely core fam now, music and sky fam, bro. So, and if you remember, I actually misquoted it cause I totally forgot. I thought you said it, but did I say it in the, in the speakeasy? Cause we have a, at this event, we have a completely soundproof banging nightclub that goes till two or three in the morning, maybe later, but you go outside and you don't hear it. Cause like sound is off. The sound is off at the latest midnight, dead quiet for people to sleep. Very, very important. But inside it's going off and I came up to you and what did I say? This must be what it's like to party in heaven, right? You're muted. But yeah, that, cause it was like a lot of sober people, but super high on life and amazing dancers. It's like, how is everybody like a professional dancer here? Yeah. The vibes are just amazing. [Speaker 2] (1:28:22 - 1:28:33) Yeah. I love that. Check it out. Alec, anything to add man, anything you got going on with the way forward, any final messages obviously for, for, for our crew and our audience. [Speaker 1] (1:28:33 - 1:30:24) Yeah. So with the way forward, so like, this is like one of the things with the end of COVID is that we know we're going to attract a massive amount of people to this and somehow like there's still people who are struggling to find their local community. And one of the things that we're launching here actually in the next couple of weeks with the way forward, and it'll definitely be ready by the time this airs and the end of COVID is a tool where you can type in your zip code and find other people near you. We also have an online marketplace where you can get access to the best possible deals available on all these various holistic health products and brands and things like this. And then also have a freedom oriented and health oriented business directory. That's a little bit different than ones that exist kind of like public square in that we have a membership card that you can present upon entry to over half the businesses that gives you discount on whatever they offer to members the way forward. So it's a it's a pretty cool system. And it's just a way to help people who are meeting virtually connect in person and connect with businesses in person and stuff. So that's that's what we're doing with the way forward. Awesome, guys. So good to have you here once again. So awesome to chat about the end of COVID and excited for that launching on July 11. For everything to everyone listening for everything that these guys mentioned, you know, I'm going to drop links in the brief wherever you're consuming this podcast to go register and check that stuff out for sure. And we highly encourage you to do so. Guys, thank you for all you do. Thanks for being here. And until next time. Thanks. Love you guys. Love you too, bro.