Virology's *isolation* problem

Every paper titled *isolation of SARS-CoV-2* describes a methodology that is the opposite of isolation — unfiltered fluids from a sick person poured onto a monkey kidney cell, starved, dosed with antibiotics known to be toxic to kidneys, watched as it breaks apart, and the fragments photographed and named *virus*. The foundational evidence has never been produced.

The ping pong ball and the brick wall

Alec's analogy via Dr. Tom Cowan: if you hammer a brick wall, tape a ping pong ball to a boulder, throw the boulder, and the wall falls — you have not proven the ping pong ball caused anything. Virology has never thrown the ball by itself. They presuppose what they claim to demonstrate.

Cognitive dissonance as a career structure

Twenty years in a profession built on a foundational assumption you have never tested makes the assumption almost impossible to test. Alec's West Point classmates and his father-in-law will not go there on 9/11 or COVID — not because the evidence is weak, but because their identity has fused to the system they served.

Holistic practices wearing the white lab coat

Chiropractic and naturopathic offices with *the body heals itself* on the door and *masks required* underneath it. The allopathic system needs to crash and so do the holistic systems performing allopathy — anything that turns the person outward to an authority figure instead of back toward themselves.

One foot in, one foot out

The exemptions, the workarounds, the medical and religious carve-outs only buy time. The system is engineered to push everything that retains integrity out of it. Position now, while you still get to choose the timing.

Stop outsourcing — even in the truth community

The instinct to find someone with the answers travels intact from the mainstream into the so-called alternative. Alec refuses the guru role on principle — *I'm just a random 29-year-old white dude, you can do the same shit I do*. Take what he said about virology and go explore it yourself.

EPISODE 44 · NOV 14, 2021 · 1H 25M

Alec Zeck Virology Is Pseudoscience

EPISODE 44 · ALEC ZECK

Virology Is Pseudoscience

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Alec Zeck walks into this conversation a year into speaking publicly, still in the Army, having gone from West Point basketball recruit to U.S. national-team handball player to the founder of an organization that now spans twenty-four state chapters across four countries — and most of the hour is spent dismantling the foundational claim that any of it was ever needed. He breaks down, in language anyone can follow, what isolation of a virus actually means in the literature versus what the word would suggest in any other field. The Vero cell culture method. The unfiltered fluids. The antibiotics known to be toxic to kidneys. Dr. Tom Cowan's ping pong ball and brick wall. Stefan Lanka's control experiment, and the yeast that produced a full SARS-CoV-2 genome.

What makes the episode land is what surrounds the science. Alec refuses the guru frame the truth community keeps trying to hand him. He has compassion for the credentialed people who cannot afford, psychologically, to look at the evidence. And he keeps turning the listener back to the only authority that has ever mattered — your own body, your own observation, your own willingness to explore. Go look at the papers yourself.

The body is self-healing, self-regenerating Alec's foundational claim and the whole frame everything else hangs from. If you actually know — not believe — that the body heals itself, then the product, the protocol, the protection racket all stop making sense. Fear of an invisible enemy only lands on a nervous system that has been talked out of its own intelligence.
Virology's *isolation* problem Every paper titled *isolation of SARS-CoV-2* describes a methodology that is the opposite of isolation — unfiltered fluids from a sick person poured onto a monkey kidney cell, starved, dosed with antibiotics known to be toxic to kidneys, watched as it breaks apart, and the fragments photographed and named *virus*. The foundational evidence has never been produced.
The ping pong ball and the brick wall Alec's analogy via Dr. Tom Cowan: if you hammer a brick wall, tape a ping pong ball to a boulder, throw the boulder, and the wall falls — you have not proven the ping pong ball caused anything. Virology has never thrown the ball by itself. They presuppose what they claim to demonstrate.
Lanka's control experiment Stefan Lanka ran the Vero cell culture method without the alleged infectious material at all, and got the same cytopathic effect. Phase two: random yeast grown on a cell culture, run through forty PCR amplification cycles, produced 100% of the so-called SARS-CoV-2 genome — with no patient sample anywhere in the process.
Cognitive dissonance as a career structure Twenty years in a profession built on a foundational assumption you have never tested makes the assumption almost impossible to test. Alec's West Point classmates and his father-in-law will not go there on 9/11 or COVID — not because the evidence is weak, but because their identity has fused to the system they served.
Holistic practices wearing the white lab coat Chiropractic and naturopathic offices with *the body heals itself* on the door and *masks required* underneath it. The allopathic system needs to crash and so do the holistic systems performing allopathy — anything that turns the person outward to an authority figure instead of back toward themselves.
One foot in, one foot out The exemptions, the workarounds, the medical and religious carve-outs only buy time. The system is engineered to push everything that retains integrity out of it. Position now, while you still get to choose the timing.
Stop outsourcing — even in the truth community The instinct to find someone with the answers travels intact from the mainstream into the so-called alternative. Alec refuses the guru role on principle — *I'm just a random 29-year-old white dude, you can do the same shit I do*. Take what he said about virology and go explore it yourself.

Standout

Quotes

"I am who I am because of the trauma I've experienced, not despite it."

Alec Zeck

"If you treat your body well, you don't need any pharmaceutical product. You can find something nature provides that is just as powerful, if not more powerful."

Alec Zeck

"We are not begging the system to change. We are not asking the system for permission. We are telling the system — I am free by virtue of existing."

Alec Zeck

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Could there be a pathogenic disease-causing virus? Absolutely. But the foundational evidence we're using to flip the world upside down is, by definition, pseudoscientific."

Alec Zeck

"It is easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled."

Yerasimos

"Until you can fully embody it — *I'm going to stand in my authenticity, I'm going to live my life according to my deeper values* — it's not going to open up for you in the external world."

Joel Rafidi

"I'm just another random 29-year-old white dude. You can do the same shit I do. Take what I said about virology and go explore it for yourself."

Alec Zeck

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 1:00) You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafiti and Erasmus Stelionesis. Everybody, welcome back to Here for the Truth. This is episode 44. And what an incredible guest we have for you today. Some of you may recognize him. We have Alex Zach in the house. Alex Zach is a speaker, writer, activist, former army captain, and former grocery store manager. He's the executive director and founder of Health Freedom for Humanity, a nonprofit whose mission is to unite people from all walks of life under one common purpose, the reclamation and defense of health freedom. He received his BS in systems engineering from the United States Military Academy at West Point. Alex, man, such a pleasure to have you here. Welcome to Here for the Truth. [Speaker 1] (1:01 - 1:28) Dude, thank you for having me. I didn't expect that grocery store manager part. And you guys both know I'm like still having residual sweat from running, but I also have like the, you know, when you run when it's cold outside and you get that like that like cold lung that makes you cough. So when you said the grocery store thing, I had to like turn away and mute my mic because I couldn't stop coughing. That was good. Yeah, I got I got kicked out of the grocery store I was working at because I was selling shrooms out of the back. So that's hilarious. [Speaker 3] (1:29 - 1:31) Six times, man. Six times. [Speaker 1] (1:31 - 1:36) Dude, seven. I've been deleted seven. I'm on account number eight. Oh, wow. [Speaker 2] (1:36 - 1:38) I wonder who has the record for most deletions. [Speaker 1] (1:39 - 1:54) I think I know who. The dude who runs the COVID-19 vaccine reactions account. I know who he is and I know his name, but he hasn't unmasked yet. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah, he's been deleted 12 times, I think. Wow, man. [Speaker 2] (1:55 - 1:59) What a world, huh? Like, literally, what a world we're living in where this is normal. [Speaker 1] (1:59 - 2:31) Dude, and the crazy thing about his account, like, obviously, like mine, it's nuts that I've been deleted as many times I have because I, you know, I try to back up everything I say with data that's easily verifiable, sometimes even using the government's own data or the CDC's own data against them, you know. But him, he's literally, on his account, just taking actual people who are sharing their experience after getting the shot and posting it without any commentary, just like that, and getting deleted. And now he's been deleted 12 times. It's absurd, man. So wild, man. [Speaker 3] (2:32 - 2:32) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:33 - 3:00) Listen, let's, I want to start, man, like, you know, we're here for the truth. We love hearing about people's personal heroes journey as well. So it's like, obviously, you have a whole life. And so there's a lot to it. But in terms of major rites of passage, like what has led you to this place where you're like, I'm going to start this, I'm going to start speaking out, I'm going to start this organization, and I'm going to start speaking at rallies and etc, etc, etc. Like what, what led to all this? [Speaker 1] (3:02 - 3:40) Man, it's a, you know, I haven't, this is a really good question because it's like making me sit and reflect because I've been so go go go lately. Um, and really what what led me here is just authentically being and doing what I know I'm supposed to be being and doing like that, that is honestly it dude like if you would have told me, even a year ago when I was starting to, you know, speak out about things that are going on right now that I would be doing public speaking like flying places, like twice a month to speak at things. I'd have told you that you're fucking high. Am I allowed to cuss on here? [Speaker 2] (3:42 - 3:43) I'm from Jersey. [Speaker 1] (3:45 - 3:57) Okay, I would have told you that you're fucking high, like there would have been no way. Oh, you guys have matching mugs where's mine. That's awesome. Okay, um, can you like Photoshop one, and maybe. [Speaker 3] (3:59 - 3:59) Okay. [Speaker 1] (4:00 - 6:29) So, dude, I, I mean, I've had several, like what you would call rites of passage, if you will, though that, um, you know, I was raised in a household that, let me preface this by saying I've healed so much of this, I'm not a victim. And I want to say that I am not, I'm not who I am, despite the trauma that I've experienced I am who I am because of the trauma that I've experienced, like, this is not a like oh what was me I've been through some shit. Right. But I have been through some shit like I grew up in a very chaotic and traumatic and abusive household my dad was repeating patterns of generational abuse and trauma. And I was physically abused quite a bit when I was younger verbally abused when I was younger emotionally abused spiritually abused every type of abuse there was right. And I was made to believe that I was a worthless piece of shit if I wasn't a certain way. And on top of that my mom was also in many ways repeating patterns from her side of the family as well where she was very codependent more focused on fixing my dad than she was on parenting us so she there's also not a lot of neglect involved. Right. And so, like I said outsource my ear and it made it feel like I was worthless and outsource my self worth into external things and I was taught to do that from a young age because I didn't have any self worth myself is always performance based or like, like the clothes I had the friends that I could get the girls I could get this, you know, like just material things or my performance on the basketball court. And there was some good elements that too because my dad was very authoritarian so if I didn't get good grades, then I would get the shit beat out of me, but that forced me to become like to get good grades so I was, I was somewhat you know within the system if you will and intelligent which also doesn't mean shit but working hard and persevering through tough things. But as a result of the, the abuse has inflicted upon me, my siblings my mom, my dad went to rehab for some things and when he went to rehab my mom went to go see a psychiatrist by the, you know, just like a very traditional evidence based medicine allopathic psychiatrist, and the psychiatrist didn't talk to my mom about any of the abuse that she had dealt with didn't talk to her about trauma healing or anything like that. Nothing about nutrition, nothing about mindfulness meditation, any of those things it was simply like a 15 minute conversation then she has prescribed multiple benzodiazepines SSRIs. I think you guys have had my mom on the show so you know. [Speaker 3] (6:29 - 6:33) Episode 29 with Alex, incredible conversation. Yep. [Speaker 1] (6:34 - 8:02) Yep. And I so I will I'll save it for go listen to episode 29. If you want to get more on that but, you know, my mom found Dr. Kelly broke in 2016 and that sent her on a, you know, spiral of actually dealing with her shit but she was actually expressing vitality and health for the first time in 10 years was no longer suicidal. And that sent me down a rabbit hole of questioning my wife healed her to autoimmune conditions naturally and she was under the care of multiple rheumatologists for 10 years after seeing my wife, or seeing my mom healed my wife healed, and that sent me down a rabbit hole of questioning everything but also because my mom was finding, I guess, methods and people to help facilitate her trauma healing I started doing that as well for the first time. So I was no longer externalizing I was actually having like my you know proverbial dark night of the soul, where I was being forced to face my shadow, you know, and then in heal my trauma. And all that sort of came to head in 2020 in like May of 2020. I was still in the army at the time, and coven coven hit obviously February and I made a video that I actually found the other day, February 29 2020. So before much of the mainstream media was even talking about lockdowns or anything here, I said this will no doubt be used for mandatory vaccines for all people I'd already like, like dive deep into the pharmaceutical industry corruption 911 everything so like many of us did I saw it coming right when it happened. [Speaker 2] (8:02 - 8:02) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (8:03 - 10:35) But then I, you know, I was still in the army and there is elements of me having to suppress who I truly was because I didn't agree with killing already at that point I didn't agree with the wars that we are fighting in the army. I was very, I guess you could say, traditionally came from the left, like two years, two and a half years ago but was teetering more towards like voluntary ism anarchy. Like, yeah, and anarchy in the in the traditional sense not yet the media projects anarchy to be I know most of your listeners probably know what I'm talking about but. So I was already having to suppress real elements because I was still in the army, but like having all these perceptions didn't agree with vaccines already put in a religious medical accommodation in the army so I didn't have the vaccines anymore. But COVID hit and I felt so convicted to speak man because I had dealt with narcissistic abuse trauma manipulation gaslighting I had seen the harmful effects of blindly following allopathic doctors and how harmful pharmaceutical backed allopathic medicine can be. I'd already seen the amazing healing possibilities of natural health and like my son at this time was two and he was completely unvaccinated and like extremely healthy especially relative to his peers already knew all that. And then and then COVID hit and I, I got to a point where I had to speak so I started speaking despite still being in the army, very careful with the way I said things back then. Ever use the word government and anything that I said always just alluded to it kind of, but, you know, took off from there man and just kept speaking on my perceptions formed an organization surrounding that health freedom for humanity. Obviously, and now we have 24 state chapters and chapters in four countries and we're expanding pretty rapidly. And we do it differently man we don't we're we're health freedom organization that doesn't petition the government to change we're not asking the government for permission we're not, you know, pleading with the government to recognize our freedom we are empowering people to be free now, and we're creating community, educating empowering people around that idea and it's it's outside of any racial, political, religious socioeconomic gender sexual orientation it's uniting people from all walks of life and we really, really stress the importance of that because it's not a political thing it is not a religious thing it this is a human rights thing specifically speaking to health freedom so that's why I continue to do and here I am now, and I never would have guessed that I'd be doing this so that's it. [Speaker 2] (10:35 - 10:46) I love it man from West Point to help freedom for humanity man, it's, it's pretty cool. I want to I'm just curious, what, like, what was it where you're like I'm going to go to West Point I'm gonna do, I'm gonna go be in the army. [Speaker 1] (10:49 - 13:12) So, I was recruited to play basketball at West Point. Like I said like growing up, my, my entire childhood, middle school, elementary school, high school was focused around basketball is focused around sports like that was my entire life. And I was always, it was always like a life or death, like that's how it felt to me life or death my dad, like, up until age 10 my dad was a college basketball coach, then he got fired from his job as college basketball coach for some things that some, some pretty sketchy things he's doing behind the scenes, but he's an amazing coach and then he became my a basketball coach, which like a travel basketball team like basketball right when I was in elementary school, middle school and then all throughout high school and basketball was my whole life man like that was everything but I was so afraid of failure, because it was made to be like almost like a life or death thing for me where if I didn't perform I would get the, I would get my ass beat or I'd get cussed out right. And because I was so afraid of failing and I was self identifying with my performance. I fucked up all the time, I was constantly messing up if I played well, I'd play well and drop like 40 points. If I missed my first few shots my dad would be like get your fucking head in the game and then I would be afraid to mess up and I would play horrible. So, and that led to a lot of injuries too so I got injured literally every year in high school. And the only D one school that was recruiting me was West Point. Everyone was a D two offer, right. So I went to a basketball like recruit camp for all the dudes at West Point was recruiting my junior going into senior high school, and I grew up in a military community, although my family itself wasn't military just like the high school I went to is right near military base so a lot of my friends parents went to West Point as well. So, after going to look at West Point, and, you know, with with the mindset of like in the system seeing how many like historic generals graduated from there how many fortune 500 CEOs of fortune 500 companies went to West Point, and just all that West Point offered you know one of the top public universities in the United States, it wasn't even being an army I didn't, I didn't give a shit about that. It was that I was being recruited for basketball, and then having a degree from West Point in the system meant a lot. So that's what led me to go to West Point and then I got cut from the basketball team. [Speaker 2] (13:14 - 13:21) So, this is why I didn't know you played hoops man I love it I love playing all life but it's been fucking pride to 1015 years so play but that's awesome. [Speaker 1] (13:22 - 13:29) Yeah, so so basketball in my life growing up man, it was it was everything. That's what I self identified with. [Speaker 2] (13:29 - 13:29) So, yeah. [Speaker 1] (13:30 - 13:47) What do you think of the carry situation. Dude Kyrie's always been my favorite point guard and now I know why. Okay. Yeah, I love Kyrie I love what he's doing. Like being one of the only people that's willing to speak up I also don't think LeBron got the vaccine either I don't think half of the like bigger names got the vaccine. [Speaker 2] (13:48 - 13:50) Dude. Yeah, I don't buy it. [Speaker 1] (13:50 - 13:51) No chance. No chance. [Speaker 2] (13:54 - 13:56) Yeah, yeah, I definitely don't buy it. [Speaker 3] (13:57 - 14:09) It's pretty crazy now because now they're saying, basically they're saying that the J&J vaccine is useless because now they just put out a statement the NBA Association saying everyone that's got the J&J vaccine needs to get a booster. Right. [Speaker 1] (14:11 - 14:32) It's because they want to do whatever they can for whatever reason to get this mRNA technology into our bodies. Yeah, that is my thought process on that. And I mean I don't think that is not that is not saying that like oh the J&J shot is safer that's not what I'm implying either but I really think it's they're doing whatever they possibly can to get this mRNA technology into our bodies. [Speaker 2] (14:33 - 14:58) Yeah, I mean I agree with you on that point man. Without a doubt, it's just like usual they keep pushing the goalposts keep pushing the goalposts it's like when the people who did you know consent to making this decision to go I'm just doing it because I want to go to a concert because I want to do this or because I want to do that it's like it's not ending. It's just going and going and going which is predictable, what I thought a year ago you know I was like this is what's going to happen this is the game plan. [Speaker 1] (15:00 - 15:01) So, everyone's going to have. [Speaker 3] (15:01 - 15:07) Yeah. Yeah, my bad. Go ahead. You're on man from your experience what is the long game with mRNA. [Speaker 1] (15:09 - 18:39) Dude, I, there's so many. I don't want to apply apply too much conjecture to this. And I'll preface this by saying that I fundamentally believe that the body is self healing, so I don't believe I know that the body is self healing self regenerating, and that human beings like the our capacity to heal ourselves of anything is far greater than we've ever been led to believe. And so with that, I think a lot of people in the so called health freedom truth seeking whatever community. I tend to forget that in our set that aside that belief that they supposedly hold in order to fear monger on the harmful effects of this vaccine and to be clear, do I think the vaccine is killing people. Yes. Do I think it is harming people. Yes. Do I think that there is any redeeming qualities of this. Absolutely not. Do I also think that the human being who genuinely perceives that that stuff is good for them and that will help them can trick their body into accepting that and it being good for them, possibly as well but but my point is, I do not think that millions of people who receive this are going to die. Come the rest of this fall or winter time. I think as we continue to receive these products, we will continue to poison ourselves, and then we will have potentially more harmful effects for sure. And that's where it's important to get back to the understanding that the body is self healing self regenerating because if you get people to understand that at the foundation, then then receiving this thing wouldn't even be on the table because it's like no, why would I need this product if I know that if I treat my body well. And if I, you know, treat my mind body and spirit as a temple, then I can be well right like the body, my body's ability to heal itself I'm not afraid of any so called virus and we can get into that. But, you know, it's a, it's an entire mindset shift but but then I think there's other possible implications surrounding patent law, and you know whether you can. This is this one's tough because I don't want to speak too much on this because it's like, do I believe this has the capability to edit like to edit your DNA, right or to alter your DNA. Yes, I think it could do I think the human genome is constantly changing and re expressing itself. Yes. So like, do I think anything is permanent no but we know that something that is naturally existing cannot be patented, even as it or own, even as it applies to human beings and there's court cases that have settled that. So is it possible that people who continue to receive these products are able to be owned in a certain way. Yes, I do think so especially with the understanding that everything that is happening. For the most part, at least at the highest level we are consenting to it, you know, and that's that we are actually expressing that we are consenting to it or it's implied consent by our actions so most of this we are consenting or most if not all the things that are happening to us that they are doing, we are allowing to happen by consenting to it. So, it's that we maybe we are in many ways, consenting and contracting with the government or whatever nefarious entity to allow them to to own us in many ways, so that can be a possible thing. [Speaker 2] (18:39 - 19:16) Yeah, I'm right there with you man. Those are thoughts that have been going on in my head as well. You know you bring up a, you bring up such an important point on the body's innate intelligence on the body's innate healing capacity. And if people could understand and apply what happens if they when they cut their finger, and then apply and apply that concept to the rest of their body like if you cut your finger there's all these little things that are going to happen and whatever you know I'm not going to get into it and then after a few days you know there's a healing process you didn't do anything you need to take any supplements you didn't need to do this X, Y, and Z. You don't have to think about it. [Speaker 1] (19:16 - 19:52) Yeah, think about it exactly and imagine if you have the because we do. And, you know, all discussions on Joe dispenses turn towards whatever he's turning towards now, aside, what he has taught in the past, absolutely, is beautiful and brilliant and spot on with how the human body works without consciousness works like if we have the ability to tap into that natural innate intelligence into our body and consciously manifest and bring it about, then we can heal ourselves of fucking anything, anything and we don't require any pharmaceutical product to do so. [Speaker 2] (19:53 - 21:14) Yeah, I agree, man. I mean there's these adaptive processes that happen the same things happening deep and within the body of the tissue level at the organ level. But what happens is we're conditioned to fear so much to fear diagnoses to fear words and what does that then do to our psyche and so it's like to really connect deep within to that level where it's like my body is a fucking walking miracle. It is incredible. Wow. It's amazing. Look what happens. I just cut my finger. That is so fucking cool, you know, but unfortunately the way the system has been look at the last hundred years it's just like you go to you go to an allopathic doctor and then they go, you have cancer. And then what does that do, you know, oh fuck, I'm gonna fucking die, you know, so it's just this wild wild like domino effect that occurs and it's like really how do we get back to the foundation of that belief that you talked about man it's so important. It's why education is huge is why this connecting from the matrix from the system, getting information from other things and and then at the same time, just tapping into that deep wisdom that you know you know connecting to source God nature whatever that is for you. When I just really believe that when you do that when you really connect to that essence. All this stuff fades away you're like wait what you want me to do what now I'm not doing that. [Speaker 1] (21:16 - 21:26) Exactly, dude. I don't even think I need to comment on that because I don't think I could add anything better than what you just said. Spot on. [Speaker 2] (21:27 - 21:55) That's why there's so many interesting demographics when you look around all the different types of people that are choosing to say yes or no to this experimental medication, and it's just interesting to observe like what is it, you know, there was a what was, I think, yeah, the beginning of this year there were chiropractors and Chinese medicine doctors who were recommending sending out their newsletters telling people to get the shot. And I go, okay, so you're so you're connected to spirit and nature on paper but in reality, you couldn't be further from it. [Speaker 1] (21:55 - 24:22) We were dropping off these flyers for our event around the Kansas City area. I went to a bunch of chiropractic offices of course and like naturopathic doctors offices and you know functional medicine offices, and it was so crazy, because most of them like on on their door like on their signage they'll have like a little saying of their mission statement underneath and talk about how the body, like is amazing and it heals itself nature this this and that. And then on the other side say like masks required you walk in and then the receptionist is wearing a face shield and a mask and gloves, doing temperature checks and it's just like, yeah, the amount of the amount of so called holistic practices that are going against their foundational teachings is insane. And this is where like I don't know if you guys know Dr. Tommy John. He and I used to be really really good friends we've sort of shifted ways now just because the way he approached things but I do agree with him on this man like the the allopathic systems need to crash, and all the holistic systems need to crash to all of it all that needs to fucking go all of it, especially because all the holistic ones are trying to play allopathic and trying to be like the white lab coat have as many titles as you can after your last name to so that you're the authority figure you tell people how to heal, instead of turning people back to themselves to understand and then you're facilitating that guiding them back to themselves and that understanding, rather than having them outsourced to you allopathic or not. And it's even worse when we so called holistic doctors like when I go to those offices and they're talking about nature like it's just like it's almost like a fad it's like they're just saying that because it's a fad thing but you don't actually fundamentally fundamentally know that you're not actually teaching that your patients when you're also saying that in one hand, and then requiring them to come in and wear masks and vaccines I could, I could you know I could see if you were saying like hey if you want to wear a mask or even if you had a sign or like if you want to wear a mask. Yeah, totally valid because because that at least like you're, you're, you're a stepping stone for them you can still like teach them in many ways and you don't even have to talk about the vaccine some situations. If you get them to understand the body self healing and self regenerating, they will come to understanding on their own but when you're actually blatantly saying masks required. Well, you're, you're not about it you're not actually about what you say you're about so I agree that all all systems need to crash and we just need to get back to nature and health and empowering people to go within themselves. [Speaker 3] (24:23 - 24:47) Yeah, man, well it's just a marketing front, right, basically the for these for these practitioners, and I mean at the same time this is the silver lining of this time is that those that aren't really in integrity with this remission of being exposed to the same time because there's a clear metric at this point for actually who is on the path of authenticity and who means what they say, and who doesn't even within the health truth and freedom communities. [Speaker 2] (24:49 - 25:35) Yeah, and also to in terms of like, obviously have allopathic here and more natural holistic practitioners, you know, a lot of times it's like oh well I'm not giving you pharmaceutical but I'm telling you, you have to have you have to spend $1,000 and get this XYZ and it's like what, you know, and even from a healing standpoint, you know, I'm a beginning student of German medicine Germanic healing knowledge is like a lot of times. Once you start getting symptoms. That's showcasing that you're in a healing response and so people will take will take these natural supplements, that'll stop that natural process that's happening that adaptive process happening in your body. And so yeah maybe it's not as toxic that you're that you're getting some pharmaceutical but you're also inhibiting a process that is natural that the body needs to go through to some degree. [Speaker 1] (25:35 - 26:59) Yeah, and that's where it's like, if you are to take supplements, it's a shift in perception, it's not that like you're doing this, you're taking this specific thing let's say for example vitamin C right like yeah I'm not, I'm not going to eat a bunch of oranges because I'm afraid because I'm having a healing response it's because I'm aiding my I'm aiding my body's ability to express that healing response. Does that make sense. Anything that is still just masking symptoms or stopping your body's healing response is absolutely in the same line of thinking is allopathic medicine this is where like, man, this is a deep conversation on an individual's perception because I think many people for example, and this is not always the case, jump on the ivermectin train because it's like oh I'm afraid I'm like you know I feel like my lungs are collapsing so I'm just going to take this ivermectin because I'm so afraid of what's happening to me right now. You know what I mean but then like, there is. I don't want to say evidence but like there is a thought process and a potential mechanism behind ivermectin in that it is purely a zinc ion for that helps your body absorb zinc better so like maybe in that case, it might work but but the whole perception behind it which is why 99.999% of people are taking it is that it's like, oh, I'm afraid of the symptoms associated with this disease so I'm going to take that to stop those symptoms. And that is completely wrong. I agree. [Speaker 2] (26:59 - 27:08) And people are like taking it like it's candy like I'll just preventative just in case and I'm just a pop a few ivermectin, but totally totally don't need any you don't need any like and I mean this and I truly [Speaker 1] (27:08 - 27:27) mean this, you do not need any pharmaceutical products like I don't care what they are you do not need them you can find something that nature provides that is just as powerful if not more powerful than pharmaceutical products. Most of them are most if not all of them are based on emphasizing the lab but most if not all are based in what nature already provides. [Speaker 2] (27:28 - 27:40) Yeah, but you can't patent nature so it's like well let's synthesize this from this natural compound and then we can patent it, and then we can sell it for 5000% more than what we're making it for and make a little bit of money on the side. Exactly. [Speaker 1] (27:40 - 27:41) Exactly. [Speaker 3] (27:41 - 28:09) I mean, that's the game in all industry not just pharmaceuticals I mean look at look at what Monsanto has done for years, you know, even talking about patenting like potentially DNA. They've been patenting crops right they've even been growing plantations then the, I think the wind carries the seeds into into other into other organic farms and natural farms crop circles, whatever it might be. And then they can end up patenting their seeds on that farm as well simply because those seeds have been carried to the other farm. [Speaker 1] (28:11 - 28:11) So angry. [Speaker 3] (28:13 - 29:01) It's, it's crazy and I mean obviously GG is not the conversation and where this is going it's who knows, but I mean, we can't buy into the doom and gloom narrative, but by any means whatsoever, you know, because this is ongoing at the moment we're in the war now we're in the fight now it's happening in real time, there's good people in all levels of the game doing good and powerful things. So, everyone that gets swept away in there all powerful it's all over, we're all going down one track. I just really implore people to come back to the moment and look at things with a little bit more perspective, because at the same time, everything is being exposed right and without this event without these circumstances, we would never have really looked twice or look anywhere near as deep as we are looking now behind the veil. [Speaker 2] (29:01 - 29:36) I also to like based on what you said, if I'm going to sit here and say that there's this innate intelligence in my body this healing capacity that's happening. Why can I apply that to what's happening in the world that there's this process happening and there's symptoms, and there's things that are just, it's just I don't need to fear it like we're living let's say there's a global body and what's happening right now is like, whoa crazy symptoms and heal, and I'm going to be afraid of it like no I'm going to do my part, but trust that things will develop and continue to adapt, and we will heal. That's my view. [Speaker 1] (29:38 - 31:29) 100% man. I mean this is like a collective dark night of the soul. Like the, I mean, for anyone that's had and I'm assuming it like YouTube have at some point in your life. Out of the soul, that shit was fucking hard and very very very traumatic and like going through all of your, you know, like drumming up all of your shadows that you haven't dealt with yet and having to really look at them and then authentically choose a new path for yourself that is some tough shit. Right. And that's what we're in the middle of collectively right now but it's beautiful what's going to happen on the other side, if we let it we can either evolve through this or repeat and go back into the same bullshit patterns and you know, a lot of people right now are being faced with a decision where they have one foot still in the door in the system, and one foot out, and maybe they're getting you know medical exemptions and philosophical exemptions and religious exemptions or they're doing notices of conditional acceptance of notice of liability and it may work and you may, it may be that like when it comes to this individual piece of the system, we overwhelm it so much because so many people say you know like take their their monopoly piece there off of the chessboard and don't even say no just say no I'm going to be free, I'm going to be free. So we overwhelm the system and force it to change, or we're stepping away from the system but either way, people are still in this dance where they have one foot in the door of the system and one foot out and they're trying to hang on to both worlds. And that's not going to last any longer like these these exemptions that people are getting those will only buy you time they're not going to last and you're going to be forced with the decision to either get completely out of the system and face that harsh reality that the system needs to collapse, or you're going to have to comply with the system, and it's going to be one or the other. [Speaker 3] (31:29 - 31:58) Absolutely, man. Like on some level the system is intentionally pushing everything that's good out right look at what's happening in the schooling in the schooling world and in the hospital and all the good nurses all the good all the good teachers right nothing that can still expose the system is being allowed to stand by any means and I mean, I've been telling everyone for the last two years just position accordingly because whatever thread that you have now where you think you can still have this dance to keep one foot in the system, it's really not going to be there for long. [Speaker 1] (31:59 - 33:10) Exactly. And I want to be clear on this, like, of course, there are people who have situations like a mom who's a nurse that has four kids and is living in a hospital and that's her only source of income. Like, am I saying that she's absolutely screwed and a week from now she's going to be like that she shouldn't do a medical exemption no like, of course, buy yourself time if you have to but just understand that you need to be setting yourself up to be reliant outside of the system, you need to be looking for opportunities outside the system because it is going to come to a point where it's either that, like I said, that specific situation let's say that hospital so many people overwhelm it by saying, No, we're not going to participate with this we're all going to quit all you know 100 employees are going to quit and go elsewhere unless you change and we're forcing you to change. And that's a shift in perception, even on a political from a political lens that like we are, we are not begging the system to change we are not asking the system for permission we are telling the system that like hey I am going to be free. I am free by virtue of existing. It's either you get on board with it and you adapt. Otherwise you're going to collapse and we're going to go over here and start something better. [Speaker 2] (33:11 - 33:46) And you hear so many stories of that happening you know I remember some article or someone posted a tweet or is like, even in a not maybe not a large company but it was like a dentist office or something and before like dental assistance like got together and they just said like, Yes, so we're putting in a notice, and the main dentist like oh no no no no okay it's no worries you don't have to get it's fine. So, again, you're right like what's to stop people from coming together, and just forming an unofficial union I guess you can say just their own union together and being like we're having this, you can take that shit and go fuck yourself. [Speaker 1] (33:47 - 34:48) Exactly. What's so beautiful man is that like, even if you're in a situation right now, where you're one of the only people inside your business your practice wherever that is like saying no, and they do fire you. There's so many people who are in on the same page you that are starting things outside the system that are going to be so much better from the ground up, they're going to be so much better than what you're doing inside the system. So regardless of if you're by yourself, and it is I acknowledge that that is a very scary thing for sure if you're by yourself. You're one of the only people in your office that has that perception but but even more beautiful when you do have the courage to stand up and be like nope I'm not fucking doing this, you'll probably see 1234 other people in your office they're like, you know, I needed someone else to stand up first thank God you did that I'm standing up to, but regardless of whether it's just you, or it's multiple people, either way, it is the best thing for you, because you're either going to force that to the system itself to change like I said, or you're going to be booted out of the system. Good, you should be booted out of that system because that system sucks anyway. [Speaker 2] (34:48 - 35:38) Yeah. And the self empowerment that feeling that comes from standing in your truth and doing something like that. There's no price tag on that when you really stand up for something. And then what happens on the other side after you've gone through that, what that gives you. There's no money in the world, you know, and again I'm not here to discount like hey, people have real bills to pay this that and the other, everyone has to make their own choice, but we're almost two years into this. There's health freedom for humanity How many chapters Did you say there's all these other orgs like there, this is something that's out there this isn't like four months in where people are like, I'm the only person in my friends group I'm only person in my family I don't know anyone with the fuck this is crazy I just lost my like my boyfriend my girlfriend like there's a large community all over the world. You know, so you can make those connections. It's just a matter of whether or not you, you want to and believe in can stand in it. [Speaker 1] (35:39 - 36:09) Exactly. And that's what's beautiful because like we are just one of many organizations like we have 24 state chapters and chapter 400 and we're expanding. There's Freedom Keepers United who's very similar set perception is us. There is Derek bros is freedom cells there's a bunch of different organizations that are very like minded in this, that you can find in your area there is absolutely community there. What it usually requires is you your willingness to authentically express who you are, and your, your authentic perceptions. [Speaker 2] (36:09 - 36:49) Yeah, several. So, my wife and I we moved from Santa Monica to Topanga set last year, and several months ago we started having like freedom parties, we have these massive parties and there were people in the beginning they were like, I'm literally the only person in my friend group in my family that has these views, I was going to move out of California because I felt alone. And now I don't. You know, what's the ripple effect of that, you know the relationships the connections being made and who knows what comes from that. So, you know, there's community, there is the branches three weirdos sitting around doing nothing to be like, we just have these views and everyone thinks we're crazy. [Speaker 1] (36:51 - 36:53) We are pretty weird though. [Speaker 2] (36:53 - 36:55) Yeah, that's very true. It's true. [Speaker 3] (36:55 - 37:27) Speak for yourselves. The point is 100% you have to make that you have to cross that bridge within yourself first, you know what I mean because while you're still teetering teetering on the edge, and still have that uncertainty within yourself, you're going to call that in externally as well. So until you can fully embody it, I'm going to stand in my authenticity, I'm going to stand in my integrity, I'm going to live my life according to my deeper values, morals, and what's intrinsically what feels intrinsically correct to me, then it's going to open up for you the opportunities in the external world. [Speaker 2] (37:28 - 37:59) Amen. Amen. Yeah. All right, I want to get into this man. A little while ago you posted a tweet. I'm probably going to butcher it, but it was like, if XYZ hasn't been shown. And then it then leads to XYZ symptoms, like, you know, like, talk about that tweet. Like, how do we know this thing? Everyone talks about, well, it hasn't been isolated. Like, has it? Has it not? What does that mean? And how is it all of a sudden, this thing that hasn't been isolated then leading to all these different symptoms? [Speaker 1] (38:01 - 44:19) Okay, so it depends on your definition of isolated. So if you think of isolation as taking one thing and having it completely separate of other things, then no, it has not been isolated. If you think of isolation in the terms of putting a bunch of things together, and then that thing breaks down into a bunch of fragments after you put a bunch of things inside of a thing. If you think that is the definition of isolation, then yes, it has been isolated. So what I was saying is, on the X and Y thing, is this, if you hypothesize that X exists and causes Y, then you need to observe X existing and causing Y, right? You can't say X exists and causes Y. Y, therefore, X exists, if you have never proven that X exists. What I mean by that is, you can't hypothesize a virus exists and causes disease. Disease is present, therefore, it must be a virus, if you have never proven that a virus exists. And at face value, that statement is going to sound batshit crazy. But here's the deal. Every single paper, every single one, you can type in on Google or DuckDuckGo, isolation of, and then put any virus you want, just for the sake of what we're dealing with in the world right now, put SARS-CoV-2. Isolation of SARS-CoV-2. You'll find hundreds of papers where the title of the paper is that. Isolation of SARS-CoV-2. But if you read the methodology, the methodology describes a process that is exactly the opposite of what we know isolation to be. So, I'm going to use an analogy that Dr. Cowan has used in his book, The Contagion Method, is one of the best analogies. But even this analogy is still missing a piece of it too, and I'll explain that in a minute. So, if I were to try to prove that a ping pong ball, or if I were to hypothesize that a ping pong ball could break down a brick wall, I would obviously need to observe that ping pong ball breaking down that brick wall, right? Like, that's just logic, right? So, if I were to take a giant hammer and smash the brick wall several times, and then tape the ping pong ball to a giant boulder, and then throw the boulder at the brick wall and the brick wall falls down, have I proven that the ping pong ball caused the destruction of that brick wall? I would say no, because I think any person who's thinking logically would say no. You already smashed the brick wall with a hammer, and then you tape the ping pong ball to a giant rock. So, how could you possibly say that the ping pong ball caused the destruction of that brick wall? So, how this relates to virology, going back to the virus isolation papers that I'm referring to, which are the foundational evidence for viruses, for viruses as pathogenic disease causing agents, right? They take snot from a sick host, and inside snot or spit, semen, blood, and inside any of those fluids from a sick host are millions of RNA, DNA, toxins, food particles, proteins, red blood cells, white blood cells, so much shit inside unfiltered fluids from a sick host, right? They take that unfiltered fluids, and they put it on a monkey kidney cell, known as a vero cell culture, alongside fetal bovine serum, Delbeco's modified eagle medium, which are food sources for the cell, and then also minimal nutrient medium, which means that they're giving the cell the minimal amount of nutrients, which effectively means they're starving the cell, right? So, they put all that on there, alongside amphotericin, gentamicin, sometimes one or the other, sometimes both, and then also trypsin sometimes. And if you look up amphotericin toxic kidneys, like just type in amphotericin toxic kidneys on Google or DuckDuckGo, or type in gentamicin toxic kidneys, you will find a number of articles where they are known to be toxic to kidneys. So, they're taking those antibiotics and also putting them on the monkey kidney cell. So, again, this isolation experiment, right? They're taking all of these things and putting it on a monkey kidney cell, starving and poisoning the kidney cell. The cell then breaks down into a bunch of fragments, experiencing what is called the cytopathic effect. They take pictures of the fragments with an electron microscope, electron micrograph imagery, and they say that those fragments are viruses, right? So, again, relating it back to the ping pong ball example, they have never taken the ping pong ball completely by itself and thrown it at the brick wall, meaning they have never taken the virus that they, again, this is where the ping pong ball itself, example itself is even somewhat off, because we can see the ping pong ball. We know that the ping pong ball is there. They presuppose that there is a virus inside the fluids of a sick host that they're introducing to this cell culture, along with those other things, and they just assume that it is the virus inside the fluids of a sick host that is causing this cell to break down. They just make that assumption without ever having proven that there is a virus inside the fluids of a sick host. How do we know that that's the truth? Ask any virologist, molecular biologist, microbiologist, immunologist, epidemiologist, whatever profession, whateverologist you want to say, ask them to provide you one single paper in which a virus was isolated, purified, characterized, and sequenced directly from the fluids of a sick person. And they cannot do it. Every single isolation paper is with the methodology that I just described. Every single one of them. They have never, ever, ever foundationally proven that a virus is inside the fluids of a sick person. Ever. It has never been done. [Speaker 2] (44:20 - 44:28) Didn't something go down with Dr. Longo where he put out some kind of bet on this? What happened with that? Yes. [Speaker 1] (44:28 - 44:31) So, I don't remember the exact year. [Speaker 2] (44:33 - 44:44) Real quick, I just want to say I'm an avid ping pong player, and I play often, and I've smashed ping pong balls to the brick behind my table, and it's never shattered. Just wanted to put that down in there. Okay, continue your story. [Speaker 3] (44:49 - 45:55) Also, before you go into the story, man, this is just wild, because before you came on, we asked you for your birth details. And so, in human design, your personality sign based on the I Ching, the Chinese divination system is 62. You translate that to gene keys, which is another system, and you get an archetype. And this is just crazy based on the analogy that you just provided, but the archetype for you is called the scientist, right? I just want to read you these two sentences. The scientist is a master of naming things, concepts, and facts. He assembles, organizes, and labels the details. A true scientist provides logical, thorough information that everyone can understand and has a gift of explaining the intangible, making it accessible through clear, factual expression. So, literally, man, you were born for this, man. You were born to be and do exactly what you were doing on such a deeper level than most of us even know. It's just crazy how these things always present themselves. And as you went through that analogy, I just remembered reading that, and I'm like, this guy. [Speaker 1] (45:57 - 46:07) Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I've had Dr. Cowan and Kaufman tell me that I'm like one of the best that they know of breaking this down into layman's terms. [Speaker 2] (46:08 - 46:21) So, I appreciate it. I think our audience is going to appreciate that too, because some of this stuff can get really, obviously, uber scientific and technical and heady. And not everyone has the capacity, but to be able to hear it in a way that you can follow and make sense, man, is huge. [Speaker 1] (46:21 - 53:24) Yeah, dude. Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I want to, like, obviously, reading the methodology of a virus isolation paper, like when I first started doing it, I had no idea what the fuck I was looking at. So, I would email Dr. Cowan all the time and ask him like, hey, this one, I think it shows virus isolation. And then he would send respond to me with like, no, here's here, here where it's wrong. This is what this means. So, it finally got to a point where like he was like, Alec, you are smart enough to figure this out on your own. And like anyone can do what I'm doing. And I also have to give a shout out to one of my friends, or a few of my friends, Jordan Grant, who's a urologist, brilliant human being. And then Jacob Diaz, he's a dude just like me out of New York, that is probably, probably the most brilliant trained theory mind that I know, especially breaking it down into layman terms. His account on Instagram that everyone needs to follow is called undercover virologist. And the dude is brilliant. But, um, yeah, so, Stephan Lanca. So, okay, so Stephan Lanca is himself a virologist, right? And I guess he really, he likes to say a molecular biologist rather than virologist, because he thinks virology is completely pseudoscientific. And so, Stephan Lanca a few years back put out a statement that if anyone can prove the existence of the measles virus, and he laid out some criteria for that, right? And it's very logical criteria. I don't remember exactly what it was, but it's like that this thing has been separated of all genetic material completely by itself, has been identified, has been characterized, right? And then has been introduced to a sick host by itself, and shown to cause disease. Essentially following, I think, and don't quote me on this, and people go look for yourself, but essentially following Cox postulates, right? But he put out a statement, like basically saying, if anyone can prove the existence of the measles virus, I'll pay you 100,000 euros. And originally, someone presented evidence, I think another scientist, and he, a German court ordered that he had to pay. And of course, the mainstream news ran with that, like virus denier, molecular biologist Stephan Lanca, forced to pay in German court, yada, yada, yada. What happened though, is he appealed that basically showing where that dude had not shown that the measles virus exists, because he was using the same papers that I was just describing, where it's the Vero cell culture isolation method to prove that measles exists, right? And he had not proven it. So Stephan Lanca still has his 100,000 euros. He has, no one has sufficiently proven the existence of the measles virus, and he still has his 100,000 euros. And more importantly, this is good that you brought him up, is Stephan Lanca is in the middle of phase two of his control experiment. So I want to start by saying that the definition of pseudoscience is anything that claims to be science, but does not strictly adhere to the scientific method, right? So within the scientific method, especially when conducting like really, really in depth experiments, and you're trying to validate your claim, you have to have like identified an independent variable, right? You have to, you know, at least try to validate your foundational claim, and you have to conduct control experiments. Virology has done neither of those three things. They have never validated their foundational claim that there's a pathogenic disease causing virus inside that exists inside the fluids of a sick person, right? They have never identified an independent variable because they have never done what I just described. They have never identified a pathogenic disease causing virus by itself inside the fluids of a sick person as they presuppose, right? And then they have never conducted control experiments on their Viro cell culture isolation method, right? So Stephan Lanca has conducted those control experiments. And what I mean by that is Stephan Lanca has done the exact same, relating it back to the brick wall analogy, the exact same thing without even introducing the ping pong ball, meaning that he just had the brick wall, smashed it with a hammer several times, took a giant boulder through the brick wall, the brick wall fell down, and he was like, well, like, it's the same thing, you know? So with the Viro cell culture isolation method, he used the exact same ingredients, except for he did not even put the supposedly infectious material that they presuppose contains the virus into the mix at all. He put all the other same things in there, and the same result happened, right? Same exact thing, which completely invalidates all of these so-called isolation papers, right? And from my understanding, this is in the midst of peer review right now, I think, or I think he is having it published or putting it up for peer review here soon. So phase two of this, and I want to preface this by saying, or lay the context for this correctly, is that, you know, people usually respond to the lack of proper control experience with, okay, well, we've genomically sequenced the virus thousands of times. That's how we've identified the Lambda variant, the Delta variant, the Delta Plus variant, this variant, that variant, like it's been genomically sequenced thousands of times. We have the full RNA sequence for this virus, and it's been uploaded, you can download it from multiple laboratories, you can look at it yourself, but here's how that goes. The very first genomic sequence of the so-called genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 went like this. They took one patient sample, they extracted 52 and a half million, or no, 56 and a half million fragments of RNA from that one patient sample, right? And remember, inside a patient sample, there is, I would argue that it's not 100% purified virus, right? Inside a sample of snot is a bunch of shit. So they extracted basically every fragment of RNA that they could from that snot. And then there was long strands of RNA, short strands of RNA, they threw out all the long ones, and they took these short ones and rearranged it, or like strung it together in a computer program based off of a template of SARS-CoV-1, which they isolated in the exact same way that I described earlier, right? So they have this template of SARS-CoV-1 in the computer, it's a so-called sequence of RNA, right? And they string it together to match SARS-CoV-1. They generated 1 million possible new sequences of a so-called new virus that when templating against SARS-CoV-1, and they arbitrarily picked the longest one and said, voila, here is a new sequence of a new virus. [Speaker 2] (53:24 - 53:30) It's like a lie built upon a lie built upon a lie, and it just keeps going. [Speaker 1] (53:30 - 56:34) Well, and it's, you know, like, is, are all virologists in on it? No, I don't think that at all. I think they have just never questioned the foundational, like, methods of virology. And this method for virocell culture isolation was first done in 1954 by John Franklin Enders, who is the guy who so-called discovered the so-called measles virus, or like said to have discovered the so-called measles virus, right? And what's interesting is in his paper, where he, quote, discovered the measles virus, he admitted that when he did a proper control experiment, he did do a proper control experiment, the exact same result happened. So he did control experiments back then. But John Enders went on to win the Nobel Prize, and also created the measles vaccine. So everything thereafter was sort of ushered in as this is like, this is acceptable science. I want to pull something up, though, because I want to describe exactly what John Enders used in his first 1954 isolation experiment, the so-called isolation of measles. So he had throat, blood, and poop samples, milk, streptomycin, penicillin, bovine amniotic fluid, beef embryo extract, horse serum, antibiotics, formaldehyde, hematoxylin, eosin, soybean, trypsin, phenyl red, and he put it all in a monkey kidney cell. The cell broke down into a bunch of fragments, and he said, ah, I've isolated the measles virus. That was the first so-called isolation of a virus, and that method has been modified over time, but it's basically, that is the foundation for virology, right there, that right there. And his own admission, and this is the quote, this is John Enders himself in that paper, the cytopathic changes it induced in the unsustained preparations, meaning the one that he did the control without even introducing blood, poop, or throat samples at all, could not be distinguished with confidence from the virus isolated from the measles sample. So that was his own admission back in 1954, right? Yeah, and so I just think that virologists have never questioned the foundational evidence of their profession, right? And it's all built upon this. And when it comes to the genomic sequence, this is phase two of Stefan Lanke's control experiment. So again, I described that genomic sequencing process. Stefan Lanke took a random sample of yeast, grew it on a cell culture, did the exact same process, and after amplifying PCR, I think 40 cycles, which is what they do to do the original genomic sequencing, he was able to get 100% of the so-called SARS-CoV-2 viral genome without even having a patient sample. It was random yeast grown on a cell culture. [Speaker 2] (56:37 - 56:38) Clown show, man. [Speaker 3] (56:39 - 57:07) I just, I don't like, this is either testament to just the complete severe indoctrination that most of these so-called virologists, the spell that they're under, or you're right, they're all in on it, which I don't think so either. But at the end of the day, if this is your profession and you carry the integrity of the scientific method, how are more mainstream virologists or scientists not looking at this and questioning this? [Speaker 1] (57:07 - 1:01:03) Dude, I don't know, man. It's really crazy too, because I started looking into this stuff pretty early on in the so-called pandemic. This is what I obsessed over from the very beginning, because I'd already done a lot of the vaccine research and stuff. And that's why when people ask me questions about the technology of the vaccine, I don't know the intricate details because it's not, obviously it's relevant, but what's more relevant is getting to the root of what causes disease. And it's really tough because at first I was scared to speak on this and then I became more confident. I finally got to a point where I was confident enough to ask virologists or just point blank ask on Twitter, can anyone provide me, anyone, just ask me, I'm serious. Can you provide me one single paper in which a virus was isolated, purified, characterized, and sequenced directly, and I would put asterisks around directly to emphasize that, directly from the fluids of a sick person? And no one can provide me one single paper. And that is asking for foundational evidence. That is asking for them to follow scientific method. Or I'll ask another question. Can anyone provide me one paper in which virology strictly adheres to the scientific method and validates their foundational claim of a pathogenic disease causing virus inside the fluids of a sick person? No one can provide me one paper. And I'm not asking that to be like, aha, gotcha. I'm asking that because that is how science works. I'm asking them to follow the scientific method, and I cannot find one. If someone can find one where they follow the scientific method, awesome. I will be like, yes, here's the paper that follows scientific method and validates the foundational claim of pathogenic disease causing virus. And again, to be clear on this, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Could there be a pathogenic disease causing virus? Abso-fucking-lutely there could. But the foundational evidence, especially the evidence that we're using to flip the entire fucking world upside down right now, is inherently flawed and by definition pseudoscientific. So that's why I, you know, beat this drum so much. And it is important because, yes, like, you know, we may get to the understanding that that COVID-19 or like, you know, it seems to be that way right now that the tides are really starting to turn where I'd say more and more people are starting to understand that COVID-19 is not what we're told, right? But what's stopping them from doing COVID-21, COVID-23, a new bioweapon, a new variant of COVID that's more deadly? If we don't get to the root now that the foundational evidence for virology is by definition pseudoscientific, and we need to maybe start looking at the true causes of disease from a different lens, and that we need to, you know, be taking steps to be well, because what is built off of this for whatever purpose you could say it's for malicious intent, I think there's like, it's that as well as profit for control, everything is that because we have this in our mind, we think, oh, all nutrition, all that other shit is irrelevant. The only thing that we need to do to be healthy is just defend against this by taking vaccines, by wearing masks, by distancing from other people, because this is so ingrained in our psyche. Right, and that's where it's important to get back to questioning the foundational evidence behind this, and understanding that we don't need to be fearful of each other, that there is, per the available evidence, no pathogenic disease causing agent that is going from person to person and causing massive amounts of harm, that health is a function of your nutrition, function of your lifestyle, function of your mindfulness, your connection to source, your time in nature, connection to other people, your ability to heal your trauma, that is what health is. [Speaker 2] (1:01:05 - 1:02:48) 100% man, I mean, you speak truth. I mean, I couldn't agree more, especially with this last few sentences. And, you know, going back to what, you know, Joel, you asked in terms of, you know, why aren't more people even speaking out? And it's like, if you fully believe these I didn't answer your question, Joel, I'm sorry if I didn't. If you fully believe in a certain foundational information, and you've applied that, and you've worked in a career for 20 years, 30 years, and you have a house, and you have bills to pay, and you have kids to go to college. Like, that's the reason why there's a small percentage of human beings that become whistleblowers, and that, like, completely risk livelihood, career, reputation to speak out. It's because there's a cognitive dissonance, you know, that word gets used often, that comes into play. Like, you would have to literally come face-to-face, you talk about Dark Night of the Soul, face-to-face that all that money you spent in school, all that education, all the time spent doing research, or whatever the case may be, you know, that maybe was based on something that isn't true. And how many people have the psycho-emotional fortitude, knowledge of self, to sit with that reality? I mean, that's one of the deepest vulnerabilities, to question your identity, to question your livelihood, your career, who you are as a person, everything you believe. Not many people have the ability to do that. And so this goes beyond just this one instance. You could look at that in every field that someone's been at for 10, 20, 30 years, and maybe that also has been built on some foundational falsehood. It's very challenging for a person's psyche to hold that. [Speaker 1] (1:02:49 - 1:04:04) Dude, some of my friends that went to West Point with me that are in the Army and still in the Army, or even like, I think of my father-in-law, who is a retired Fulbright Colonel and still works a government job right now for the Department of Corrections. And like, they will not go there on 9-11. They will not go there on 9-11. And then even when it came to this COVID situation, I had a conversation with my father-in-law, and I gave him all the evidence and data and then like broke it down logically, how none of this is making sense. And how he responded after I gave him all that was like, you know, I've worked in the government for a long time, and I just do not believe that they could pull one over on someone like me. And that's where it is, man. It's the cognitive dissonance of having to face like the reality of all the time and money and energy you've invested in this one thing, especially if you are self-identifying with it, rather than just self-identifying with exploration, or self-identifying with perceiving, experiencing. If you're self-identifying with that which you have perceived, that which you've experienced, that which you've explored, then you are prone to be hurt, and you will not want to go there on any of this. [Speaker 2] (1:04:05 - 1:04:23) Yeah, you know, the huge thing that I think is happening everywhere is people think they're too smart to be fooled. They think they're too smart. It's like this quote that it's been attributed to Mark Twain, but I don't think he even said it, but you know how quotes go around. It's like, it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled. [Speaker 1] (1:04:24 - 1:04:27) Yeah, exactly. Exactly, man. [Speaker 3] (1:04:27 - 1:04:35) So let's drive this one home for the audience. For clarity, from your perspective, is there foundational evidence for any disease in history? [Speaker 1] (1:04:42 - 1:06:55) So, this is tough because, like, for example, relating it back to COVID, or to AIDS. COVID and AIDS are a set of symptoms that you can actually observe, right? Like COVID-19 is a series of symptoms, AIDS is a series of symptoms. HIV, or SARS-CoV-2 are this alleged causes of COVID-19 and of AIDS. So like, the diseases themselves, like, yes, like when you like tie together multiple symptoms and you come up with like, okay, these symptoms are the expression of this disease. Yes, you could technically say that those are real things that exist. Now, I don't think putting a label on anything is helpful whatsoever, because it's just your body expressing symptoms in order to begin to heal itself like any fucking label, we need to get rid of all of them. And just like, regardless of what it is, we need to heal our trauma. We need to eat clean, right? Like eat, and not eat clean out of fear, eat clean because we love our bodies. We need to exercise, we need to detox, like it's, it's the same regardless of what it is. And again, there's some nuance to that. But the point is, like, there is evidence for disease, it's that the lack of evidence for what we are claiming to be the causes of disease. That's the issue. Even when it comes to bacteria. I don't think that there's any, I don't think that there's any good evidence that shows bacteria is at the foundation, the cause of disease. Now, can bacteria consume toxic? Because we know bacteria's role in nature is to is to consume decaying tissue and bring it back to the earth or to consume toxins and then decompose them and bring it back to the earth, right? That's the role of bacteria in nature. Now, if bacteria is eating toxic flesh in high amounts, then bacteria will poop or the byproduct of bacteria will be toxic. So in that case, like, yes, bacteria can cause disease. But is, is it really that bacteria are the cause? Or were you already toxic? [Speaker 2] (1:06:55 - 1:06:56) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:06:56 - 1:07:13) So I think when it comes to bacteria, and viruses, I don't think have ever been shown to exist. I don't even like using that word because the implications behind virus, but but it's the causes of these diseases that are in question, right? It's the cause of disease. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:07:15 - 1:07:17) Well, paradigm. [Speaker 1] (1:07:17 - 1:07:20) I didn't ramble too much and made sense. No, dude, you didn't. [Speaker 3] (1:07:20 - 1:07:23) Oh, you're making so much sense. You're making sense. [Speaker 2] (1:07:23 - 1:07:25) And for me, my big wake up call. You go, man. [Speaker 3] (1:07:25 - 1:08:23) No, we've kind of addressed this from different perspectives with different guests. But even for me, I'm getting I'm getting deeper insights as to as to really what's going on, you know, and then there's this is the beauty of all this is there truly is a new paradigm, which is probably closer to the real paradigm being being born out of us being forced to question disease based on based on what's going on, you know, but obviously, people following mandates and towing the line of what the government says is so much deeper than just fear of disease at this point, you know, and that's that's that's the saddest part is how many people have gone against their own deeper sense of morality and their own their own will, due to being forced or coerced and being threatened in terms of their livelihood and their jobs. So it just it's it's beyond disease for a lot of people out there, too. [Speaker 1] (1:08:25 - 1:10:16) Yeah. And people have been just so indoctrinated and propagandized and conditioned. I mean, that's where I always default back to and like, do I get pissed off at the people who are like blindly obedient? Yeah, I do. But I also have to have compassion for them, because it's like the what Jesus said when he was on the cross, man, he said, Father, forgive them for they know not what they do. And it's like when it comes to these people, forgive them for they know not what they do. They don't know. They haven't had an experience that is like, like shook them awake. You know what I mean? Like, had I not experienced what I had experienced growing up and seeing my mom and my wife transition out of allopathic medicine. I don't know that I'd be able to see I would fucking hope so because by now it's getting increasingly obvious, but I don't know that I would be able to see right. And I am I am more concerned with the large number of people who can see that there's something wrong and are are too afraid or just too apathetic to wake up and to quote my main man Jesus Christ again, is I would rather you be hot or cold than be lukewarm. If you're lukewarm, I'll spit you out of my mouth. And we have so many people who are in that apathetic state of, you know, they they're too afraid to speak. There's nuance to everything. So there's some situations where like, fuck, like, if I say one word, I will lose my job that's providing money for like providing food for my kid. I'm barely making ends meet as it is. So like, I get it, I get it. But there are so many people who know something is wrong. But as long as they have their football, their basketball, they have their like shows on Netflix, they have, you know, their fast food, this, this and that they don't give a shit. Like, they'll just let this happen and let tyranny take control and take hold of everything. [Speaker 2] (1:10:16 - 1:12:13) Well, yeah, but this is where the proper, you know, the propaganda comes into play. I mean, you're looking at decades and decades of Hollywood of media of TV shows. And I mean, I remember my wife and I liked watching. This is us. It's like a nice little show. I used to love that show. Yeah, bro. And we love that show. And then the last season, like whatever it was last season, we put it on. I'm like, Are you fucking kidding me? Like, they just literally took whatever was going on current events and applied into it. And then I'm always so curious. Like I watched an old show that I used to, I used to like, and like from 20 years ago. And before I, you know, got into this stuff, and I see the little things that they put in there that support virology, that support this whole paradigm, allopathic medicine. Oh, you know, you're going to take medicine for the rest of your life. You know that, right, sweetheart? Yes, you're going to need to do it for the rest of your life because you have this XY disease, whatever. Okay. And so, and this is, this is us. There was this scene where the Kate, I think was her name. She brought like their baby to the pediatrician. The scene was over, bro. There was no need for it to exist. And then the nurse goes, remember to come back next week for your vaccines. Cut to next scene. Like it was over. I was just like, all right. Okay, cool. So back to that thing. It's like, yeah, some people know better, but they're, they've been conditioned for so long to think certain things and then bringing in crowd psychology, like what it's like to separate from a herd, you know, how that also is destabilizing for some people. My parents aren't going to like me. My friends aren't going to like me. Like people that work with aren't going to like me. And so again, the psycho-emotional fortitude to be able to stand in your truth. And what does that mean? Like it's harder for certain people. So I'm not saying that's an excuse, but that's just the reality of why people don't do the things they do. If we're sitting here analyzing behavior, these are different elements to that. [Speaker 1] (1:12:14 - 1:12:33) For sure. And like, there's, there's a lot, but again, there is that crowd of people who absolutely know something is wrong and it's not even coming from a fear perspective. They just don't care. Cause it's just like, ah, as long as I have this, this and that, I don't, I don't feel the need to speak up. And it's like, that, that is really bothersome. [Speaker 3] (1:12:33 - 1:12:42) Well, they're the ones that know what they do. Right. To reference the Jesus quote. That's the lukewarm right there. [Speaker 1] (1:12:43 - 1:12:45) Yep. Yeah, exactly. [Speaker 3] (1:12:45 - 1:13:00) Just one more note on the propaganda. I was watching this kid show on Netflix with my daughter called Ohana or something like that. It was a cute show, nothing wrong with it. But anyway, at the start, they travel from New York to Hawaii. When they get to Hawaii, they're all wearing stickers, stickers on their shoulders, just to show that they've had a vaccine. [Speaker 1] (1:13:02 - 1:13:29) Just a little subtle things like, well, like think of how, how similar, like how nefarious that is too, because the way it's done, even on the, this is us, like, don't forget to come back and get your vaccine. It's not even like, it's not trying to press it upon you as like, oh, you need to believe this. It's like, of course, this is something that we do. It's not even like in questions like just like in passing, like, of course, this is how it is, right? Like, of course, that's how it is, you know? [Speaker 2] (1:13:30 - 1:14:06) Yeah, my wife and I don't watch like regular TV. So we didn't, we don't see commercials. Okay. But we were watching something recently on Hulu. So you watch Hulu commercials kind of come in. And even just within the commercials, they're just like, if you want this thing to just be done, if or why are you having these commercials where everyone's wearing masks, everyone doing like the band-aids, everyone, it's just like, why are they bringing this in to, to like our consciousness? Like, it's just weird. Like, that's the weirdest thing. Why are all these people and actors on commercials wearing masks? Like, it's just silly to me. [Speaker 1] (1:14:07 - 1:14:21) It's just like, just like how in airports, they, you know, they said that the stuff that TSA does would be temporary to fight terror. It's the same thing now. This was supposed to be temporary, or so they said. [Speaker 2] (1:14:21 - 1:14:30) Yeah, two weeks to flatten the curve 600 days later. You know, two weeks to stop terrorists from coming into the United States. Take your fucking shoes off like 20 years later. [Speaker 1] (1:14:31 - 1:15:08) Or the Patriot Act, we get to monitor everything you do because of terrorism now. That's, it's all, it's all, it's a slow drip, man. It's a slow drip where they slowly change things. And it's like one thing leads to another. And if you don't have the wherewithal to understand what they're doing, then you're going to be conditioned to just accept the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. And that's, you know, that's why it's so important right now to turn people back to themselves to empower people to trust their own observations and experiences. And at the least, when you do that, they start that inward process, and they start questioning what's going on in reality. [Speaker 3] (1:15:08 - 1:15:29) Oh, you've hit the nail on the head, man. And that's the biggest problem is that most people cannot trust themselves because we're so used to and so conditioned to externalize the truth and to look everywhere else for it, except ourselves, right? Even just to even within the truth community, we want to find someone who has the truth, just so we don't have to do the work ourselves. We want to find someone who's got the answers, someone that we can rely on, you know, just anything that's safe. [Speaker 1] (1:15:31 - 1:15:45) This is such, I was talking with my wife about this other day, how many people in the truth community are trying to pose themselves as like, some authority figure expert that everyone should outsource to? [Speaker 3] (1:15:46 - 1:15:46) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:15:46 - 1:16:35) And that's what bothers the shit out of me so much, which is why every single time I speak, I'm making a point to empower people to trust their own observations and experiences first. I'm just another, I say this almost to a fault where it's almost like kind of awkward how many I say it. I'm just a random 29 year old white dude. You can do the same shit that I do. Like, you can do the same shit that I do. I'm not some authority. I want you to trust your own observations and experiences. Take information from all sides. Take what I said about virology. Go explore for yourself, though. Don't blindly trust what I say. Go explore that shit for yourself, please. I mean, that's even what Dr. Cowan told me to do when I was continually questioning him. He said, Alec, you are smart enough to figure this out for yourself, right? He could have said, oh, you need to blindly trust that I know this. I don't want that. I want people to go fucking explore, explore for yourself. [Speaker 3] (1:16:38 - 1:16:46) How deep into your army career were you when you woke up to 9-11 or even to the fact that there was never nukes in Iraq? [Speaker 1] (1:16:50 - 1:19:24) So that was before I started my health journey, so to speak. When all this stuff happened with my mom and Kelly Brogan, that was in the middle of 2016. But I had been looking into 9-11 and stuff around 2014, 2013. It was pretty undecided on like, you know, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance. And here I was at a military academy about to come into the army, you know. So it was a it was a tough thing for me. But as I began to, you know, start down the rabbit hole of questioning everything else in 2016, that's when I really became solid in my perceptions on 9-11 and everything else. And I, you know, I never like went to West Point like dreaming of being in the army. It was really I went there again because basketball like that. And I'm like, OK, I just just hoops, man. I just wanted to hoop, you know, and I got cut. But I stayed because, dude, having a degree within the matrix, like having a degree from West Point meant a lot to me. So I was like, you know, just like stay here. So five years in the army, get out. I always knew that I wasn't going to make the army a career and I was going to get out after my minimum of five years. And I was just sort of rationalizing in my mind, OK, like whatever I can to to stay out of situations for combat. And, you know, it's kind of cool because I kind of manifested that there is this program in the army called the U.S. Army World Class Athlete Program, where if you're on a U.S. national team for any of the Olympic sports, you do that full time for any Olympic qualification period. So back up when I got cut from the basketball team at West Point, I was playing pick up basketball in the gym like very beginning of my freshman year. And I got approached by this dude who is a senior who saw me playing pick up basketball and he said, hey, man, you should you should come try for the handball team. I was like, handball? Like I was thinking the game where you like hit the ball against the wall. I was like, what are you? Yeah. I was like, what are you talking about? And he's like, no, it's not what you think. Like, I got cut from lacrosse team when I was a freshman. I found handball. Come try out. I promise you'll love it. So West Point has a handball team, a rugby team and a water polo team and a men's volleyball team where everyone who gets cut or quits from the basketball, football, baseball, soccer or lacrosse team goes and plays those sports. So I happen to come across handball just like you're you're doing. Yes. What do you do? You're awesome. Sorry. [Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:33) You're awesome. Just think you're awesome most of the time. That's how you remember my name, dude. You're awesome most of the time. You're awesome. [Speaker 1] (1:19:37 - 1:20:55) You're awesome most of the time. I like that. You're awesome. OK, like, yes, that handball like where you're throwing a ball into a goal. So I end up playing handball West Point like in there, like all the clubs that we play against around the United States, like there's one Chicago, a few in New York and other places. And they're all comprised of people who grew up playing it in Europe or South America because it's huge in those countries and live in the United States now. So they just like form a local team and there's a few college teams as well. But I got good enough to where my junior year, a U.S. national team coach saw me playing. I was like, hey, I want you to try for the U.S. national team. And I was like, I can't because I have to be in the Army. And he was like, oh, au contraire. Yes, you can, because there's a program in the Army, like I said, where you can where you can do that full time. And so I was like, this is this is the way, man. So I tried out for the U.S. national team, made it. And then I was in the U.S. Army world class athlete program from 2000, the beginning of 2018 through the end of 2019. Just training as a as a athlete and playing professional handball in Germany, training with the U.S. national team in Auburn at the time. That's where the U.S. men's and women's team trained. So that's what I did for two out of my five years in the Army. [Speaker 2] (1:20:55 - 1:21:14) That's so cool, man. You know, that's another thing why I love that we focus with this podcast. It's not just like, who are you? What do you do? Tell us. It's like we love people's stories, man. Like how many people on Instagram know that you're fucking an avid handball player? I mean, I don't know, dude. Like I don't maybe maybe you have talked about it, but I haven't heard. [Speaker 1] (1:21:14 - 1:21:31) Not really, man. Like I don't like it because it usually ends up being a long conversation of like when I say, yeah, I was on the U.S. national team for handball. They're like, oh, handball. Like I used to play that. Like I used to play doubles with my partner, you know, at the men's club. And I'm like, no, it's not that handball. And then it's like a long conversation. [Speaker 2] (1:21:31 - 1:21:50) I went to my family from Greece. So I was in Greece for the 2004 Olympics. And I spent the summer there and I went to a handball match. I don't know who I don't know who played who. But I was like, this is so cool because I love like these weird games or sports like that are different. Handball, is it pretty much like water polo, but on the ground? [Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:23:25) Water polo on land or lacrosse with your with your hands instead of sticks, because on defense you can check. Right. Or you can wrap people up. You can't like take them to the ground. You do get taken to the ground. But it's like the perfect American sport or maybe Australian sport that Americans and Australians don't really play. Like it's fast paced. It has a lot of contact. You jump like you want to be able to jump super high. You want to be able to run fast. You throw a ball as hard as you can. It's dude, it's the best, man. It's such a fun sport. And I was very fortunate to get to play. It was pretty funny. Our U.S. national team qualifier. So we had our qualifier against Canada to qualify for the Pan American Games, which is like the North and South America's version of the Olympics that qualifies for the Olympics. Right. And our qualifier against Canada, we had 16 dudes on that roster. And I want to say. Only six out of the 16 dudes on that roster were born and raised in the United States. The other 10 dudes that were on the roster were like German-American, French-American, Egyptian-American, Swedish-American, that their mom just happened to have U.S. citizenship for some reason or like something, and they weren't good enough to make their national team. So they're like, oh, I'm going to play on the U.S. national team. So we had dudes on our team that had never even lived in America before. They were playing for the United States and like half of them couldn't speak English. It was pretty funny. [Speaker 2] (1:23:25 - 1:23:33) That's pretty awesome. One more question I have. Have the skills that you've gained from handball made you an amazing dodgeball player? [Speaker 1] (1:23:35 - 1:23:41) I would say it made me awful at dodgeball because it's like it's the exact opposite of handball, right? [Speaker 2] (1:23:41 - 1:23:47) Like you're wanting I mean, maybe, but I feel like because you throw an accuracy, you could just like you could just hit a person. You know, you have. [Speaker 1] (1:23:47 - 1:24:29) Yeah, I guess that's yeah, I guess. Yes. Throwing like throwing. Yes. Especially because like I can throw with both hands, too. Yeah, pretty cool. But but I guess like dodging a ball, I'm also thinking from the perspective of a goalie in handball. I've never played goalie in handball, but it's funny because we would play at West Point, especially. We'd play dodgeball as like a as a warm up game sometimes just for fun. And it was funny seeing the goalies have to shift their perception because like a goalie, you want to get hit by the ball to try to stop it. And then you're having to see goalies now like not want to get hit by the ball. So it's like messing with their. Yeah. Yeah. I can throw I can throw pretty, pretty well now, especially because, I mean, the ball is this big and it's like a pound. So cool. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:24:30 - 1:24:32) I love it, man. Well, I like this. [Speaker 1] (1:24:32 - 1:24:35) This is a nice change of pace where I'm not talking about. [Speaker 2] (1:24:36 - 1:24:48) I mean, listen, we get to talk about some personal stuff. We get to talk about some real shit, too. Like we're just, you know, three dudes doing our part, having a good conversation. I love it, man. I'm really thankful for you making the time and coming on our show. [Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:51) Dude, this was great. And you're dude, you're awesome. Most of the time. [Speaker 2] (1:24:52 - 1:24:59) It's true, dude. Like I can get behind most of the time. I'm definitely not all the time. Like you can ask my wife probably won't say all the time. [Speaker 1] (1:24:59 - 1:25:04) I'm never going to forget that. Oh, that's great. That's great. [Speaker 3] (1:25:05 - 1:25:21) Alec, man. So grateful. So much deep respect for what you do, the way you stand and the path that you've chosen to take, man. During this course at the time, it's so needed and so necessary. There's no coincidences. There's only synchronicities. And thank you for being you, bro. Really? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:25:21 - 1:25:25) Thank you guys for having me. This was awesome. This is super fun. [Speaker 2] (1:25:26 - 1:25:35) Awesome, dude. Well, yeah. Yeah. To our to everyone out there listening. Thank you so much for listening. And we'll see you next time. [Speaker 3] (1:25:35 - 1:25:38) Yeah, absolutely. Take care, guys. Peace.

Alec Zeck

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Alec Zeck is a speaker, writer, and activist building Health Freedom for Humanity, a nonprofit organizing around the reclamation and defense of health freedom across 24 state and four international chapters. He holds a B.S. in Systems Engineering from West Point and served five years as a U.S. Army officer, two of them as a national-team handball player in the World Class Athlete Program. His work centers on questioning the foundational evidence of virology and returning people to the body's innate intelligence.

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