Monika Bravo The Art of Synthesis: Consciousness, Astrology & Bitcoin

(0:00 - 0:14) Coming up in this episode. People think that you have to eliminate the ego. But as you know at all, ego, it means I. I. And so the only way that we perceive reality is through our own eyes, through our own perception. (0:14 - 0:24) So you cannot eliminate it. That's a lot of problem with spiritual communities where they have said that we have to have an ego death. And I'm like, so who's going to start seeing? Joel calls it spiritual communism. (0:25 - 0:34) Is that what you? Yes. You are now listening to the year for the truth podcast. Hosted by Joel Rafiti and you're awesome. (0:37 - 0:44) What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the here for the truth podcast. I'm Joel Rafiti. Got my co-host with me as always. (0:45 - 1:09) So grateful that you've tuned in here once again, listening to us. And if you're a new listener, welcome for the very first time. We really, I guess, consider and pride ourselves and being kind of like a home base for grounded truth seekers, people who are interested in the pursuit of truth, but not at the cost of their internal world, which really is the birthing place of truth. (1:10 - 1:27) Who are you? Why are you here? What are you interested in? How can you live more authentically? What is your authentic path? And really bridging that gap between like who you are and what you do. And to me, that's a real liberation. That's real freedom when you're living the life that only you can. (1:27 - 1:44) And that really is the crux of our message, what we're about and many of these conversations as well. And it's very much interwoven into this incredible chat with Monica Bravo, which you're about to hear as well. I really want to shout out at this point in time, our membership community, friends of the truth. (1:45 - 1:55) It's just an incredible intersection of so much awesome wisdom and knowledge. I don't know if you want to speak more into that, bro. Well, no, I mean, I just I love the community that has formed. (1:56 - 2:08) I love the people that have found us, obviously initially through the podcast. And I think it mirrors what the podcast is about. Everything you just said, we're interested in these different conversations. (2:08 - 2:32) We're interested in things that are more cutting edge or that challenge of status quo. And so we have these conversations about dreaming new medicine and homeopathy and somatic work and nervous system and astrology and all this stuff and money and political things like this is the Bitcoin. And so I just I feel like, you know, because you and I are curious beings and we're interested in a lot and like we are doing our best to answer those questions. (2:32 - 2:45) Who am I? What are my gifts? What do I value? What do I want to bring forth in the world? And so I think it's only natural that we're going to attract people like that as well. So, you know, we don't attract dogmatists. We don't attract people like I found the one truth and this is it. (2:45 - 2:55) Like people that are really curious and interested about things that I think really matter. Obviously, you know, I think we believe that may matter. And so I just love I love the community. (2:55 - 3:09) I love the conversations. But most of all, I just love the love and support that's within the container and the conversations and the way we communicate. Like it has been almost non-existent for people to just argue with one another. (3:09 - 3:20) It's like people share their thoughts. I mean, everyone agrees with every single thing. And because we have like 33, 34 topic threads in Telegram. (3:20 - 3:28) It's like it's kind of choose your own adventure. You know, like what are you more interested in? And maybe you're going to engage in the relations channel. Maybe you're going to engage in the nervous system channel. (3:28 - 3:40) Maybe you love flower essences and homeopathy. You're going to be in that channel. And so, yeah, I just I feel blessed and honored that, you know, we're doing what we're doing and that people are doing what they're doing and our worlds have intersected. (3:40 - 4:16) And so, yeah, for those of you that listen to this podcast, if you're craving community, if you're craving to be seen and to be held and to be inspired and to maybe be challenged at times in a community of grounded people that are doing their best to do the work and embody who they are, who they were born to be, then, you know, I really think Friends of the Truth is where it's at. Yeah, man, very well said. And people can join Friends of the Truth at heforthetruth.com forward slash F O T T. It's currently the biggest bargain on the internet, in my opinion, at $17 a month, which beyond the community, you also get seven live calls a month now. (4:17 - 4:27) We are getting close to the 100 member threshold. So that price will increase in the future. But yeah, heforthetruth.com forward slash F O T T. And just come connect with us. (4:27 - 4:45) Come hang out if you feel the call. Today, we've got Monica Bravo in the house. And I just love this human being and everything that she's about, everything that she's weaving together in her life via astrology and understanding the real value of money and Bitcoin and human design and arts. (4:45 - 4:57) It is just an amalgamation of awesome, grounded creativity and a very much so needed voice and a very much so needed conversation, in my opinion. So that's all from us. Here is Monica. (4:59 - 5:31) Monica Bravo is a multidisciplinary artist, writer, evolutionary astrologer, Bitcoiner and freedom maximalist whose work weaves together philosophy, psychology, cosmology and economics into a living synthesis. For over three decades, she's created large scale public art installations around the world while exploring the deeper questions of value, education, timing and human evolution. She's the author of The Nature of My Reality and is currently writing The Art of Synthesis, The Architecture of Value. (5:31 - 5:44) Through her art, writing and teaching, Monica invites us to embody our own logos and engage more courageously with truth, freedom and self-knowledge. Monica, welcome to Here for the Truth, my friend. Hi, Joel. (5:44 - 5:54) How are you doing, man? I'm so happy to be here. Oh, so happy to have you here. You listen to this podcast, you know how we like to kick this off with first time guests. (5:55 - 6:09) We really want to extrapolate your personal hero's journey and just get into the major rites of passage that were the major catalyzing transformational moments in your life that, you know, allow you to be who you are today. Okay. So how long do I have? Yeah. (6:10 - 6:17) Okay. So I'm going to start kind of, okay. At the very beginning, I was a very curious child. (6:17 - 6:33) I was always asking for how things work and many deep questions. I remember many times my father looking at my mother and said, you go, you answer. Because I was always like, why is the world full of illusions? Like I have this beautiful story of, you know, my father bought me this balloon. (6:34 - 6:43) I was probably four years old and he tied it up to my finger and I put it outside of the car's window. And I was just fascinated to see how this balloon was like holding the wind. And then all of a sudden it disappeared. (6:44 - 6:53) And I cried and I said, do not give me balloons anymore because they're like life full of illusions. And my father stopped the car and I said, what are we going to do? And my mom was like, I don't know. She's your favorite. (6:54 - 7:05) And so since then, I was always asking big questions. And my father was a thinker. He was always pondering with you, like he had an incredible rich library. (7:06 - 7:22) So when he died at my age eight and he was 37, that created a very big vacuum in myself because I did have a very close relationship to him. So I did something that I went to his books and I started to pick up the books that he was reading. He used to underline books. (7:22 - 7:33) And so it was through looking at what he was underlying. I felt like I had a connection with him. So long story short, I think that by looking at my dad, I found the answer in myself. (7:33 - 7:43) But that took an arc because after he died, I became more like, I don't believe in religion. I don't believe in life. It's all bullshit. (7:43 - 7:50) Mom, take me out of the Catholic school. Don't say that he went to heaven. I don't see any indication. (7:50 - 8:03) So I became very agnostic, like I don't want to know. But I started going to Europe for the summers to practice all the languages that I wanted to learn. And I remember meeting Italians and Greeks. (8:03 - 8:16) We used to have long dialogues. I was 13, 14 years old and really getting like, where did those things come from? So I started reading, again, my father's books. And then I moved around Europe. (8:16 - 8:23) I ended up living in Greece for three years. And it changed everything in me. I was in my very early 20s. (8:23 - 8:27) And for me, Greece is not Europe. It's not Middle East. It's just Greece. (8:27 - 8:39) And it brings so much wisdom to what it is now, the Western civilization. So I had to learn Greek because at that time, they did not belong to the European community they were in the process of. So people spoke Greek. (8:39 - 8:48) Few people spoke English and French. But if you wanted to eat, you have to speak Greek. So I had to do a lot of designs, go to the butcher, try to learn the language. (8:48 - 8:53) It was fun. It was 1988, 89. Wow, a great time to be in Greece. (8:53 - 9:03) A hundred percent. And then the people, I just learned so much about the mentality and how free the spirit is and how open and dialogue. So I had studied the Greeks. (9:04 - 9:17) But, you know, in school, you don't really study. But I, instead of going back to the books, I just wanted to immerse myself in the culture. And I learned so many things about living in Greece, like little things from the daily life. (9:18 - 9:31) And it's something that I have always kept with me. Then I travel, travel, travel, ended up in the United States, 1994. I was still not really connected to my spirit then because I wanted to make it. (9:31 - 9:41) I'm a very ambitious woman. I wanted to go to New York and become an artist. So I was like, rat race, one, two, three, four, like doing the things that you do in New York in order to not just survive, but to thrive. (9:41 - 9:58) And that happened until I was like my late 30s when I started not to feel OK. And I've been very intuitive. So I started having these dreams of my uterus and my ovaries coming down the hill after me and kind of like persecuting me. (9:58 - 10:15) So I woke up one day and I said, maybe I should go to the doctor because I've never been to doctors. So I found an acupuncturist and he said, you know what? I think you should start like going in. So I started my whole, you know, cosmology, Taoist cosmology with a Chinese doctor, then my teacher for 12 years. (10:16 - 10:30) So that's when I started to get in. And it was, this is 2003 until 2015 when I got completely disillusioned with New York and the art world, a lot of disillusion. And I started planning the escape. (10:30 - 10:48) So the first escape was getting out of my marriage because it was not working, getting out of the galleries and not knowing where to go. But knowing that if I clean, I leave a space open for what is to come. So 2020 has I have a dream in New York like around May that said, you have to get out. (10:48 - 10:54) And I said, where do I go? Is this Miami? And I said, but I don't want to drive. I'm not going to drive. You're going to be five minutes away from the beach. (10:54 - 10:58) And I'm like, yeah. So I packed and I came here within three weeks. I was here. (10:59 - 11:19) Wow, that's awesome. OK, real quickly, I just want to circle back because I know there's so many things in your story, and I'm sure we could talk for hours just about your story, your life experiences. But as someone who has parents that were born and raised in Greece, you had said something that like, you know, you learn certain things when you were in Greece that you that stays with you in your day to day. (11:19 - 11:32) And I'd love to unpack that. Like, what is that? What did you learn living in that culture and being around Greek people that impacted you and like kind of. For instance, it was interesting being like 20 years old, you're it's all about sexuality. (11:32 - 11:51) And what I learned coming from from Catholic, it was everything was a taboo. Oh, and in Greece with the people that I was engaging, everybody was open, not like open, like like to the other extreme, but it's not something that is it's it's a sin. It's something that you have to like appreciate the body. (11:51 - 12:00) Like, for instance, I had never done like topless anywhere. And so we go to these rocks and you kind of like get undressed. I was getting a dress like, you know, like this. (12:00 - 12:05) And my friends were like, come on, Monica. And I was like, OK. So then I became a little bit more liberated. (12:05 - 12:15) And then it was beautiful because it was never sexual. It was more about this is the beauty of the body. We're young people and we're supposed to embrace ourselves as how we are. (12:15 - 12:30) So sexuality was something that kind of changed because until then, I didn't know what like being bisexual was. Not that I like the same sex, but it opened up a lot of a lot of things that in Colombia were kind of like that's wrong. Yeah, that there was a devil. (12:30 - 12:38) So there was a lot of stuff like that little in the little things. I was like, oh, I didn't think about this. I didn't know you could be like this. (12:38 - 12:46) So it opened up like another window that I wouldn't have been able to open it up unless I don't know. I was in a different culture like it was. Yeah. (12:46 - 13:11) It's interesting that you say that, you know, because I've been to Greece, you know, a bunch of times recently and like people are go less topless now than they did in the past, which is like interesting to me, you know, and I don't know why that is that people are more insecure and more self-conscious. But I remember growing up as a young boy and just going to these beaches and you're just like seeing like boobs everywhere. And as a young boy, you're like, oh, wow, this is cool. (13:11 - 13:24) But but again, but as I got older, it becomes less about sexuality and just like this is the human body and this is what it's like. And this and I had an experience. This was about almost 20 years ago. (13:24 - 13:43) I ended up going to an Osho Center in Greece when I during some travels that I had and I got there and then I met some people and they were like, hey, like we're going to go to the beach. I'm like, OK, I'll go to the beach with you. And so we go we were in Lesbos, we go to the beach and we go to the right side of the beach and the people I'm there, we get there and then everyone just gets butt naked. (13:44 - 13:54) Yes. And I had never outside of maybe one time drunk jumping in like this ocean like to just be butt naked. And I had those initial feelings of like, fuck it, let's just do it. (13:55 - 14:09) And then like after some initial awkwardness, it became this really natural thing. And what I learned, even as someone myself who maybe had a little bit of a sexual bent towards things. Yeah, that I like it was it was not sexual. (14:09 - 14:24) It actually having the clothes on like it was more like, oh, what's underneath there? But when it was just there, I was like, these are just bodies and we're just jumping in the ocean. It was a very interesting like learning a lot of. Yeah, it's a lot of hanging things, you know. (14:24 - 14:41) And I remember my brother came to visit and obviously in comparison, he's very prude. So we took him to the beach and then all my friends were like, do you think you would like to go to the nude beach? And I was like, let's go extreme. So he was he did not take his shorts off. (14:41 - 14:53) He was like, what's going on? And I was like, I mean, this is it. But it's interesting because it's such a different, different perspective when you come from such a Catholic country. Oh, yeah. (14:53 - 14:59) Yeah. Yeah. The Greeks have been very influential in terms of modern sexuality. (14:59 - 15:07) That's for sure. Yeah. And then they will try to convince me, but they never did, that all human beings are bisexual by nature. (15:08 - 15:18) So there were all these friends and there were the girls like, give her a kiss. And I was like, I mean, they were very pushy. And I was like, no, I really think that this is something that you feel in the body. (15:18 - 15:27) I'm very connected to my body. So I have never had any problem like saying I like I don't like I'm a manifesto. So yes, no, like get out something like that. (15:27 - 15:35) But they were trying to convince me. And I'm like, look, I get it like intellectually. But if the body's not responding, I'm not going to do it just because everybody else says this is cool. (15:36 - 15:39) Yeah. It's a good thing. Yeah. (15:40 - 16:06) Hey, Monica, what was your disillusioned process like? Because you were in New York during 9-11, weren't you? Did you become privy at that time? Or did it come later? Okay, so this is an interesting story. That's why I'm so much into astrology, human design. So the day 9-11 hit, it was exactly by degree my second nodal return. (16:07 - 16:21) So I was 36 years old and it was exactly. But even more was that I had applied to an artist residency in the Tower One. And I was there for six months filming from the nice first floor, 92nd floor. (16:21 - 16:30) The night before there was a hurricane called Aaron and I filmed the thunderstorm. And I used to smoke a lot. So I ran out of cigarettes and I didn't eat. (16:30 - 16:42) So I called my husband and I said, why can you bring me cigarettes? He goes, oh, it's rainy. And I was like, I cannot go the whole night doing the work that I do. Because at that time I was not taking care of my body. (16:42 - 16:53) This is before all the meditation and the, you know, the Dalai teacher. And he said, come back home. And I came back home and I took a tape with me that I recorded because it was from the tower. (16:53 - 16:57) I'll give you the link. It's a very beautiful piece. It's from the night before. (16:57 - 17:09) And then next morning, we get a phone call from somebody who knew that I had a studio there. And they say it was in Brooklyn Heights looking at the tower. So this woman asked, is Monica in the house? He said, yes. (17:09 - 17:18) He goes, turn around, look through the window. So the first tower was already burning. And when he did that, he woke me up and I saw the second plane coming in. (17:19 - 17:30) And I turned to him and I said, this is a terrorist attack. Let's call everybody right now because this is huge. Because I had lived in Paris during bombs. (17:30 - 17:33) I grew up in Colombia. Violence. So I can detect immediately. (17:33 - 17:44) And I have this thing of the 28 gate as my earth. I know when things are out of control. And I'm the best person to have around when there's like a crisis. (17:44 - 17:52) I immediately like I respond immediately. So I already knew something was big. I organized. (17:52 - 18:08) So I don't know how I did that. Now that I think about it, I organized the group meeting with everybody was part of the residency two days after in another room that I found out I called two people. And so I knew and I knew that this was big and I knew that this was going to change my life. (18:08 - 18:16) But I didn't know about the astrology yet. Only a few years later, I realized. And now and I, I changed my life then because I said this was very close. (18:16 - 18:20) This was like the plane literally went. I just it's not there. Wait. (18:20 - 18:28) So if you didn't go back to get cigarettes, you were going to stay there all overnight. Yeah. And though artists that die, Michael Richards, he stayed that night. (18:28 - 18:32) I'd say goodbye to him. It's the last person to see him alive. Wow. (18:33 - 18:35) Yeah. So it was. Yeah. (18:35 - 18:38) So it was something a single. I'm very intuitive. I'm super, super intuitive. (18:38 - 18:51) I like some people do a lot of meditation to get intuition. Sometimes I meditate so I can get a little bit more of structure because I am open. Everything comes in and I listen to things and I go. (18:51 - 19:02) So even, for instance, that day that I called for cigarettes, in a way I was calling somebody to tell me, come back. And this is interesting thing. My father died because he went to buy a pack of cigarettes. (19:02 - 19:11) He ran out of cigarettes. I am alive because I did not have a cigarette. And that year, the year later, I quit smoking. (19:12 - 19:19) Wow. Did you get dad get into an accident or something like as he was going to get cigarettes? Yeah, he did a U-turn. He couldn't find the cigarettes and then he crashed. (19:19 - 19:23) And he died almost immediately. Wow. Thank you for sharing, Monica. (19:25 - 19:40) So I want to raise something because there's kind of like a faction of conspiracists or truthers that believe that the planes during 9-11 were holograms. But you're saying you physically saw planes, right? Okay. So I saw the planes. (19:41 - 19:54) I saw one plane. I knew something was wrong a few weeks before because I'm super perceptive. So I used to get there on my bike and I used to go around and, you know, kind of go around the little plaza. (19:55 - 20:10) And there's and it was always fun to see like who was coming in because we were like only 15 artists and everybody else was in suits and, you know, wearing all this whatever briefcases. And it was very odd. So I remember I was making friends with the guards because they speak Spanish or they speak Greek, whatever. (20:10 - 20:20) I'm always like that. So I remember they were changing the label of the building. It was a one WTC, you know, World Trade Center. (20:20 - 20:49) But then they put a plaque that says lease to Silverstein, whatever, this guy Silverstein, Larry Silverstein Properties. I remember turning around saying to the guy, oh, that's that's not good that this building has the name of a person because I know the whole history of the buildings that they used to belong to the fourth authority, which is like between two governments, New Jersey and New York are the owners and they lease that land. So I was like, this is weird. (20:50 - 20:58) And so that happened. Then during the summer, they put extra security. So we needed to have these cards to get in. (20:59 - 21:07) And it was it was not like now that everything is with security. It was like all of a sudden things were different. And I noticed all these things and I go, hmm. (21:07 - 21:19) But I don't you know, I'm I'm always conspirational, but I'm not like the one who's going to have a wall full of threads like I don't do that. But I look at patterns. So there was something there that it didn't go well. (21:19 - 21:46) And I was noticing that there was so many changes that summer since the Silverstein plaque was put into the building. Interesting. Did you you said you I don't know if you were spending a lot of time there, but did you notice people going in there that looked like they shouldn't be in there or maybe like extra people that looked like they were doing construction? Because I know obviously there's also the theory that like somehow somehow bombs or detonations might have been put in. (21:46 - 21:53) So I'm curious. They could have. For instance, that building was built in the early 70s and it was never full occupancy. (21:54 - 22:04) Never. The space that we were giving as for artists, it was a space it was given for free to the city for this residency. But it was still it was a crazy place. (22:04 - 22:12) It was raw as it was built in the 70s. We didn't have any real ceilings. Those horrible ceilings that people have in offices, they didn't have that. (22:12 - 22:19) It was just there. You can see the cables coming down and then you put a bulb around. It was all stripped. (22:20 - 22:28) It was concrete. And there were so many offices like that. So people coming in and out through the main elevator is one thing, but there's service elevators. (22:28 - 22:35) So that only knows they could have had the time enough to do whatever they did. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Interesting. (22:36 - 22:44) Thanks for sharing, Monica. Yeah, obviously, this isn't a 9-11 episode, but it was nice to touch on that and get your personal experience in that regards. Yes, it's a conspiracy. (22:45 - 23:02) Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think anyone that pays attention, I mean, even just within the first few years, but in the last 20 years, there's just so much information and so many documentaries and so much stuff that highlights. The official story doesn't seem like it's truthful. (23:02 - 23:12) So I saw an object getting into the building. I cannot tell you which brand of the thing. So I saw something coming in at this point. (23:12 - 23:16) I don't know what it was. There was a violent thing happening. Yeah, gotcha. (23:17 - 23:31) If people want more on that, we have an episode with James Corbett, which people can find focused on that. Okay, you're an artist. However, you chose not to formally study art. (23:31 - 23:50) Can you speak into, I guess, let's begin in the art realm in terms of education versus indoctrination in that capacity. Okay, so I have the very good blessing that my mom and my grandmother were progressive. Now I'm very, kind of pay attention to that word. (23:50 - 23:58) I didn't understand it, but now I do. So they were both progressive educators in Colombia. My grandmother made the first kindergarten in the 30s. (23:58 - 24:10) So she didn't want to be like a state mom. I mean, this is 1930s, but she wanted to teach, but she didn't want to teach in any other school, but she wanted to create her school. So she created something based on Montessori. (24:11 - 24:32) And she was very influenced as well with John Dewey, the pragmatist educator in the United States that ended up being a communist anyway. So my mom too. And so the interesting thing, my mom had a school kindergarten when I was in my very early two or three years old, and she called the school John Dewey. (24:32 - 24:41) And it was all about learning through dialogue about democracy. This is the first time I hear the word democracy right now. I'm like, she's dead right now. (24:41 - 24:54) I'm like, mom, I mean, really? Like you were so socialist, but she was an entrepreneur, my grandmother too. So this is where it's a little bit interesting for me that I had this background of like working for what I want. Like if you want to be happy, you have to do it. (24:54 - 25:00) That's what she used to say. But at the same time, I have to be able to teach. And she told me this with my grandmother. (25:01 - 25:14) Whenever you love something with so much passion, learning so well to the point that you can give it to the people. So she made me work since I was little because I was always very money oriented. It's like, mom, I want money. (25:14 - 25:19) She was like, you got to work this summer. What are you going to teach? And I was like, oh. So she taught me to do that. (25:19 - 25:37) So education is very much part of my DNA. But the interesting thing is like I started studying many things when I was young because I saw my father was very much of a scholar and he did study. So he was an economist and he was a lawyer, but he wanted to be a psychiatrist. (25:38 - 25:48) But my grandfather didn't let him, whatever. So he was reading a lot. And I thought, I don't want to go to university because at the beginning, I was like, OK, I'm going to try to go to something like a technical school. (25:48 - 26:07) So I did go to fashion school in Europe. And then I did photography because I wanted to learn like things that are actually tactile that I can do something with my hands because I know that I can stay every day reading, which I love, but I didn't want to go to school to keep on reading. I wanted to do something more material. (26:08 - 26:27) And that's what I did. So that saved me because when I went to New York, beginning of the 90s, and there was a whole process in the art world at that moment that if you really want to make it as an artist, you have to go to school and then you have to have a master's and then you have to kind of get together with a group of people. And this is how you're going to be recognized. (26:28 - 26:39) This is how you're going to be seen. And I said, I don't want to go to school at the age of 30. Like, like, no, I did go to a technical school for two years for the visa because I'm very practical. (26:39 - 26:46) So I needed to get a visa. So go to a school, technical school, go back to photo school and don't tell them you're a photographer. That's what I did. (26:46 - 26:50) I lied. And I said, I want to learn photography. But I had already been working as a photographer. (26:51 - 26:56) So then I got my visas and all that. I did everything legal. And I thought, I'm not going to go back to school. (26:56 - 27:08) I'm going to figure it out how to make art because great masters didn't go to school. Like, what did they do? They have an MFA. Did they have a studio at Columbia University or Yale? Like, no, they didn't. (27:09 - 27:18) And so I was thinking because I want to embody everything I do. So I want to test first and then come and talk about it. So that's one of the reasons. (27:18 - 27:46) But the very beginning, that made me feel a little bit like not ashamed, but a little bit like it was more difficult for me to go out there and be able to talk because people will always ask you, where are you? Did you do an MFA? Why not? And so the whole conversation was about what I was missing and not about what I could bring. So then I decided to be able to turn it into an asset. And I concentrate on how can I turn not going to school into an asset as opposed to a liability. (27:47 - 28:02) And so I focus on that. And in my statements and when I was having studio visits, I will talk very much about how empirical my life is and how I really need to test things before knowing them. And I don't want anybody to tell me, well, they can tell me. (28:02 - 28:14) I can learn from people, but I don't want to repeat things like a parrot because that's what I think that schools are doing. Schools are very different than schooling is very different than education. For me, schooling is all about indoctrination. (28:15 - 28:27) And that's how we have such a big problem in society right now, because people are not really speaking from their own truth. They're like mimicking masters or mimicking gurus, whatever. So I think that that was something. (28:27 - 28:38) Or mimicking communist professors. Yes, exactly. And so, I mean, I lost all my communist, socialist friends already because I became very vocal about this. (28:39 - 28:43) And so they hate my guts, but it's okay. That's part of the payment. Yeah. (28:44 - 29:04) Yeah. I mean, and the reality is, is that it is a real advantage not having gone through formal tertiary education and had all that programming and ticked all those boxes. For me, I tried to do university three times and something within me each and every time was like, nah, this isn't happening. (29:05 - 30:01) I literally just self-unenrolled myself every single time. Because it's like, at that age, you're more malleable to think that someone else has the answers and you need someone else to mold you and to put you on the right path kind of thing. But it's like, you're not ready to really understand what real education is and the kind of educational path that you want to follow at that point in time, you know? And it's like, we need to just, I think, usually at that age to have more curiosity to find what we're really interested in and realize that we can educate ourselves on such a deep level based on the pursuit of our interests without having all this unnecessary bullshit piled on top of us that just dilutes what we're really interested in, that dilutes our essence, and ultimately leads us astray from our genuine song's path. (30:02 - 30:07) Yeah, 100%. I went to a very nice school. It was an English school in Colombia. (30:07 - 30:23) They kind of put me aside because I was a little bit different. In the things that I was curious, I excel. When I'm curious, I dive in and I become not an expert, but I know so much that I can actually become so, we should really do something about this. (30:23 - 30:30) But then things that I don't understand, I don't care. I actually don't care. So my grades were always like super or nothing. (30:30 - 30:40) And my mom was like, what are we going to do? And I was like, mom, but this is stupid. She goes like, just try to finish. So another thing that I have to disclose, I was about to finish high school, but I got kicked out of school. (30:40 - 30:53) So I never got a diploma. And then that's why I went to technical school and everything. So even if I wanted to go to university, I kind of like not going to do it because I didn't care about that piece of paper. (30:53 - 31:05) I think that I'm more educated than anybody who has had, like, I don't know how many degrees because I have studied a lot. Like I'm a self-taught person. I don't know how to call that. (31:06 - 31:20) And I'm always studying new themes. So even the last five years, I studied economics, social economics, and I'm studying natural law, common law. Like I'm really going down rapid holes that are so important right now. (31:21 - 31:32) And I know more than a lot of people, but it's not a contest about knowing. It's like I know that I'm not wasting my time. If, you know, if I had been in school, I would have wasted a lot of time. (31:33 - 31:56) Yeah, I mean, in today's day and age, but even back in the days with the book, but more so now we have so much at our disposal, like, like, especially like with AI, you know, from as a learning tool, you know, there's so much stuff we can investigate. From our phone, from our computer, computer. So if you have the curiosity, which is what schooling beats out of, you know, because again, I mean, we've talked about this before, but look at any child, look at a child. (31:56 - 32:23) They are these curious, beautiful, magical beings that whether it's through parents or through schooling, like that sense of wonder, that sense of curiosity just gets destroyed and gets pushed deep into a child's unconscious very often or, you know, teenagers unconscious. And so, you know, like to have that excitement, I mean, you can learn so much. I mean, people live 50, 60, 80, 100 years. (32:23 - 32:36) Like how much learning can you put into that? Like, that's what's really cool and exciting. Like, I know. And I'm very blessed because my mom, she was of the thought that you got to give opportunities to people to choose what they're curious about. (32:36 - 32:48) So her school was all based on that. And she saw me very early on being curious. So she always said to me, look, anything that you want that is leading to education, I will support, but make sure that you make a good case so I can say yes. (32:49 - 33:03) So I became really smart about bringing, you know, presentations. At that time, there were no PDFs or anything, but I will come and just make drawings and say, look, mom, just bear with me. She will always say, how much is that going to cost me? I was like, you see, you're really going to invest in me. (33:03 - 33:17) So I will just put the whole thing. And then at the end, it's like, all right, who do I make the check to? And I was like, yes. But she taught me how to earn that and make proposals about how am I going to engage my time with education and then bring something after. (33:18 - 33:30) So she was the first person that supported me. I don't think if I didn't have that kind of relationship with her, I wouldn't be here because she was the first supporter of my craziness. That's beautiful. (33:31 - 33:38) Yeah. What's your incarnation cross? So I'm the left cross of alignment. OK, cool. (33:38 - 33:45) Mine's education. Oh, there you go. But I have the 45 in the line. (33:45 - 34:01) So I'm a manifestor and I have my Venus there. So I'm like, you know, just everything that has to do with value, with education and money is funny because they call it the money line, but it's not really the money line. For me, it's not about money. (34:01 - 34:15) It's about the resources, about the talents, it's about how I'm going to make use of my sense of value and then everything else is going to thrive. So, yes. For those that don't know, we're talking about human design on, I guess, another level. (34:16 - 34:23) I'm left angle cross 14, which is called uncertainty, but it's sometimes called the left angle cross of resources as well. Oh, nice. Beautiful. (34:23 - 34:29) You guys have the 45 as well, right? The what? Sorry? I don't know if I have the 45, Gabe. I don't know. I don't think I do. (34:29 - 34:32) No. Okay. You're not sure. (34:32 - 34:35) I have the 214 channel. 214 is nice. Yeah. (34:36 - 34:41) So, so nice your response to that channel. The channel is nice. Let me be your friend. (34:43 - 35:23) Okay, speaking of money, how did you come to, I guess, understand and recognize the value of Bitcoin on a deeper level? Let's call it the Bitcoin awakening, shall we say? How did that come about in your life? It's interesting because Bitcoin came to me in a later part of my life, but if I had not done other things, I wouldn't have been able to really appreciate it. Because for me, I call it Bitcoin, like a state of consciousness because it arrived to a time where I was able to synthesize everything else and then say, whoa, Bitcoin is here. So I have always been attracted to the idea of like making money, not to hoard, but to be able to be free. (35:23 - 35:35) So again, I was working since a very young age. My mom kind of like participated in that. She's like, if you want to do another travel, you should, you know, you should earn your money, et cetera, et cetera. (35:35 - 35:46) But then, so I never had a problem earning money. I was always not even lucky. I was like, I have this manifestation way of doing like, I want to do this and I do it with all my heart and then things come out. (35:47 - 35:57) Sixty manifesto, sixty manifesto. Yeah. So I was in a little bit of a problem, like understanding that the money that I was making, it was not fast. (35:57 - 36:14) And because I had the shame of that, I was able to make a lot of money. And so I felt like guilt that I have to give it away. So, you know, remember when all those Kickstarter started happening like 20 years ago, whenever 50 years ago, I used to just like, you will send me a Kickstarter and I will give you whatever like, yeah, fine. (36:14 - 36:22) So I was like behaving like a philanthropist. But then I realized that I was not a philanthropist. I was just didn't want to keep that money. (36:23 - 36:38) It was like, I don't know, it was something crazy. So I've been working with that in the last, let's say, 10 years, because life really shows you that the places where you really have to work are the places where you're most vulnerable. And that's where my Chiron is in the second house in Pisces. (36:38 - 36:54) So Pisces doesn't have any structure. And second house is about value and Chiron is the vulnerability. So I had this vulnerability and for as long as I could remember, I was able to make money, but I was not able to hold it because I didn't have a structure. (36:54 - 37:14) You know, Pisces doesn't have a structure. And so come 2015 and I get a divorce and I kind of cut everything. I did not make a preparation of like, what am I going to do when I leave the marriage and I leave the galleries? I didn't prepare with any money because for me, the freedom was more important. (37:14 - 37:38) So I made a terrible mistake that afterwards led me to, okay, I'm not taking care of my values. And this is when I started getting into the whole idea of like, so what is value? And what is money? Why don't we know anything about money? So I started listening to a lot of podcasts. And I think the first person that I listened to was Robert Breitler and actually didn't listen to him. (37:38 - 37:51) I read stuff that he had written in Medium because he was talking about time. And so I related to all his talk about time and zeros and numbers and stuff like that. But I kind of put it aside. (37:52 - 38:06) Some people had spoken to me about Bitcoin and that I should get money in there. I did buy some coins and other shit coins and stuff like that, but I didn't understand it because I just didn't understand it. And I thought, I need time for this. (38:06 - 38:32) So that's when 2020 came and we were given so much free time just to be by ourselves. So I said, this is the best. And I started getting into online programs, like hiring people to learn, getting into really a lot of communities and starting to understand and asking questions, because I think that for education, the best way to find out is to ask. (38:32 - 38:44) If you don't ask, you don't know and don't assume. So I started really getting very curious. But I still didn't know how to work because I was kind of like buying at the lowest, at the highest and selling at the lowest. (38:44 - 39:02) I mean, because I understand what it was. And so at one point I said, it will be easier if I take thousands of dollars and I open the toilet and I flush them out of the toilet. That would be easier as energy than to do this thing because I was getting nervous with it when price would go up or down. (39:02 - 39:10) And I thought, this is not for me. So that's when I said, OK, I have to really study. That's when I joined seminars with Saifedean Ammous. (39:11 - 39:22) And so he's been a very important person that has taught me everything about Austrian economics. I mean, not everything. I'm still, this is going to be my third year and I'm still learning more and more and more. (39:22 - 39:37) So Austrian economics gave me a base about Bitcoin, because you see, Bitcoin is this technology that is the most sound money. That means this is the only money that doesn't debase your time. It doesn't inflate. (39:37 - 39:57) So with long term, if you do low time preference, which is you make choices in your life towards the future and you don't spend the money every day that you have a thousand dollars, you're going to spend $999 because you have it. Instead, you take one percentage of that and you put it on a DCA, dollar cost average in an app. It's going to start growing. (39:58 - 40:07) So New York for me was high time preference. You go out every night for a restaurant, you buy a lot of clothes so you look good. You pretend you have more than what you do. (40:07 - 40:22) You spend, you spend, you spend, you spend, and you don't have a savings account. You don't. It's impossible because you're always, and then you have an overhead of one assistant, two assistants, three assistants, four assistants, studio, house, car, all the things you don't need. (40:22 - 40:36) So for me, when I started studying this, I was like, Oh my God, I did the whole equation wrong. I can actually just lower my time preference and only stay with the essential only. And so I became a complete carnivore. (40:37 - 40:43) I only buy directly from the ranch. So my, my expenses are like. And then. (40:43 - 40:58) What is the relationship between Bitcoin and Carnivore Dai? Saipedean is a very, like he's, he's been a carnivore for nine years, I think. But I was always a carnivore since I was little. My, my nickname was Carnitas. (40:59 - 41:03) Carnitas. Because I used to have. Moni Carnitas, Moni Carnitas. (41:03 - 41:14) Yes. But I still have steaks for breakfast, but I used to have, and my husband was like, are you going to eat meat? And I'm like, it's delicious. It's just, I was always Carnitas, but I was having veggies. (41:15 - 41:30) Right. And so when I think it is, it's like, once you get into the Bitcoin rabbit hole and you understand the whole problem that we have right now in society, not whole, but most of the problems stem from the idea of fiat. You know, the fiat standard money doesn't have any value. (41:30 - 41:40) Inflation is another form of tax. Governments are printing money every day. So your livelihood is having less and less value by the day. (41:40 - 42:04) Not because of your choices, but the choices that are given to you and because of your ignorance. So that's why, you know, if you want to know more about it, you've got to educate yourself. So I thought, okay, if I am learning about long-term purpose and I'm learning about Austrian economics and I want to live in a civilization that is voluntarily collaborating, non-violent, because this is what Austrian economics is telling you. (42:04 - 42:21) Then I might as well become this person that I understand my actions and I make those actions in a logical way. That's what Mises was talking about, praxeology, which is like the practice of your actions. So you become, you become aware of your decisions. (42:21 - 42:30) And he said that every decision that we make is economical. You go back and start noticing everything you do in the day. Everything has a cost. (42:31 - 42:39) Everything has an opportunity cost. So when you, you make, it's mathematics, then you can actually leave it there. All the decisions, economical are logical. (42:39 - 42:43) And then the rest, I live through my intuition. Yeah. So. (42:45 - 42:47) Beautifully shared. Thank you. Thank you. (42:47 - 43:06) And shout out to Robert Breedlove and Seyfied Yilmaz, another two previous guests of Here for the Truth, where people can dive in as well. I was, I was on Robert Breedlove's podcast a couple of years ago and like, he asked me to give my definition of what is money. And for me, it's, it's life force exchange, the amount of life force you're willing to exchange for anything. (43:06 - 43:18) And with fiat currency, when we just print money on mass, that's backed by nothing. It's not really the value of the dollar that's being diluted. It's the value that's being placed on your life force. (43:19 - 43:45) That's being diluted and your time. That's right. And yeah, I'm with you on that front, that in my experience, Bitcoin is the most sound money that exists and really the only money that we've, we've ever had that really can be locked away, stored in a time capsule as, as a form of your life force exchanged, which isn't going to be deflated by the ongoings of culture and society and of the world, you know. (43:46 - 43:55) And I want to add something else that is important that it also made me ship very much. In Catholic countries, you always talk about scarcity of something that is missing. I don't know. (43:55 - 44:05) I experienced more like a Christian country. So I don't have, I wish I had. So we focus our life on all the lacks and this void keeps on growing. (44:06 - 44:27) And so when I learned that the most like Bitcoin, because it is scarce, it is valuable, you go like, what? Like, wait, but what is scarcity? Like I used to hate that word, but then I realized that, you know, it, because it is finite and we only have 21 million, that's what makes it valuable. So then you turn it around. And this is something that Saifedean wrote in the book. (44:27 - 44:33) He says that time is also scarce. Why is time scarce? It's because you don't know when you're going to die. Yep. (44:34 - 44:54) So if you take care of your time, your life with food, with no pharma, with like ecology, nice friends, you know, like you, you, if you really take care of it, you're actually taking care of the most important asset that you have in your life, which is your, your time on earth. So that's when I was like, oh my God, this is brilliant. Yeah. (44:54 - 45:26) And you know what? The most interesting paradox here is that authentic capitalism is more caring than anything else. Yet the taboo around capitalism is that it's ruthless and careless and all the rest of all this bullshit indoctrination, right? Whereas it's the complete opposite. Whereas the people that call themselves progressive, it's more regressive than anything else, isn't it? What progress have any of these people made in their lives since having socialist ideologies or whatever it might be? It's like, it's backwards. (45:26 - 45:49) Well, the thing is this, I think I wrote a small chapter in my book that it says why I'm not a socialist, but a capitalist. Because again, with the history of my mom in the schools, it's like she was thinking very much about collaboration. And I recently wrote an article about Aristotle and he says, you know, that politics is actually a master art and how we behave collectively. (45:49 - 46:23) So it's the sum of the, of the behavior of a collective, it's an art. Now, if you know a little bit about Austrian economics, you know, that Mises based human action on Aristotle, but the beautiful thing is that he says, all right, fine. We love the group, but what about our own accountability? So when you put these things together, like you take care of your own finance, you take care of your decisions, then in a group, in collaboration, if you're together with people who actually feel that, you know, being an entrepreneur and putting capital, something is a risk. (46:23 - 46:53) And it's not like the other oligarchs are horrible. Like, you know, then the whole premise of socialism, all the isms, you start understanding why there's been this, like, I don't know, false ideas and ideologies that are not based on anything that has worked because not a single socialist slash communist country has ever been able to produce any other thing other than poverty and death. So it's understanding the principles. (46:53 - 47:05) And I'm one person that I really like to speak about the principles of things. And I really think that principles is like, you know, like the worst, this is the base. But then integrity is the price that we have individually. (47:05 - 47:14) We all have a price where we're going to bend. And that's up to every individual to find out where is the price. Now we have morals and ethics, which is the other thing. (47:14 - 47:28) Those are society. And what happens with socialism is people just like, they get on the, that's not ethical, that's not moral, but they don't even understand that they're not standing on any principle because they don't even have any integrity. Yeah. (47:28 - 47:37) So that's why I'm called very much like, oh, I have no compassion and I'm very selfish. That's which I don't think. But anyway. (47:38 - 47:50) Yeah. Now, well said. What's that? What's that G. Edward Griffin quote you're asking us when he was on our podcast? What's really good for the collective? Well, he was pretty much saying like the phrase, the greater good for the greater number. (47:50 - 48:03) He's, he's for that. He wants the greater good for the greater number. But the way about going that way is more, the more ideal way is honoring the individual, honoring individual rights as opposed to through a collectivistic lens. (48:04 - 48:14) Yeah. Because Aristotle says that we are in the, this isn't the declaration of, of, of this country, of, of the declaration of independence. Yeah. (48:14 - 48:20) It's like, it's a pursuit of happiness. Like you want to do good. You basically want to do good. (48:20 - 48:24) You want to wake up and do good. Don't kill. Don't steal. (48:24 - 48:47) And I, I, I want everyone to be happy and to live their life and do the things they want to do. But I'm not going to sacrifice myself in order for that to happen. So if everyone, again, takes care of themselves, the number one asset, you know, follows their interests, knows themselves, does their honors, the other person, like that's how healthy communities come together. (48:47 - 49:12) And that's actually the future of community because we are social beings. We have to be together, but how are we together? That's the question. And this is the future with Pluto and Aquarius, but in order to understand Aquarius, Uranus, Promethean fire, you have to understand that if you have not achieved your own solar, like you're shining, which is the opposite, Leo, you're not going to be able to live in community in peace. (49:12 - 49:29) And another word that I want to emphasize that you probably relate to this is like, people think that you have to eliminate the ego. But as you know, a whole ego, it means I, I. And so the only way that we perceive reality is through our own eyes, through our own perception. So you cannot eliminate it. (49:29 - 49:45) And I think that that's a lot of problem with spiritual communities where they have said that we have to have an ego death. And I'm like, so who's going to start? Joel calls it spiritual communism. Is that what you think? Yeah, it is. (49:45 - 50:13) But exactly. We've lost the value of the self and basically by sacrificing the self, we've sacrificed all healthy relating, period. Because as Erasmus said, if he's just constantly sacrificing himself for everyone else, then what's happening inside him? There's this self-loathing that's developing and that self-loathing turns into resentment for everyone else. (50:13 - 50:23) It turns into, fuck everybody else. Whereas if you're able to prioritize yourself in a healthy way, wow, you're filling your cup. Wow, there's an overflow. (50:23 - 50:57) Wow, I'm really able to connect with others and build healthy relations all of a sudden. Yeah, I have a thing because I'm very big on etymology. So obviously when I hear the word sacrifice, it's like, I started thinking, okay, what are the ways to say the word sacrifice in a positive way, in an assertive way? So you bring the word offering, an offering, you're not chopping your arm or like, you know, like, and I, because I grew up with my mom at times and she was very disappointed on whatever we were doing. (50:57 - 51:05) She was like, I sacrifice everything for you. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You could have gotten married like three times. (51:05 - 51:10) You didn't. So you did an offering for your children, but not like that. I started kind of changing it. (51:10 - 51:32) And I noticed that when I use that word, it has a different resonance and a frequency that is very positive because it opens up space for offering as opposed to like, I'm missing something. Same thing with scarcity, you know, like it's just changing the frequency of the word. Well, sacrifice, kind of implicit within it is a lack of choice. (51:32 - 51:41) It's almost like a forced kind of morality. Like no one, no one really agrees to this. But it's this thing which we all have to abide by. (51:41 - 51:52) Well, we've been conditioned to think it's a virtue as well, like, especially parents like, oh, I've sacrificed for you. I'm sacrificing for my children and something that we talk about often. But no, you get clear on your values and you live according to those values. (51:52 - 52:14) And so are you really sacrificing for your children? If you love your children and you want your children to live amazing, beautiful lives like, I mean, I don't think. If you go to the root, sacrifice comes from sacred. But that's why I came up with the idea of offering, because something that is sacred, you offer something like it's sacred to you that you actually make time for it. (52:14 - 52:20) Yeah. Well, an offering implies a volition. It implies a choice on your behalf. (52:21 - 52:28) Yes. And it implies accountability, which is what is lacking in many places. Yes, yes. (52:29 - 52:42) I think you have a statement where you say Bitcoin is a state of consciousness. Can you extrapolate on that for us? Yeah. So I arrived at that a couple of years ago. (52:42 - 52:51) I mean, there were many layers. At one point, Saylor, which has become like the god of Bitcoin. I don't like status and stuff like that, but it's not on him. (52:52 - 52:57) It's on the people who put a lot. And he's a very clever guy. Like, he's very well read. (52:57 - 53:09) He's a little machine, whatever. So he came and he said one day that Satoshi was Prometheus. And I'm like, no, you got that wrong. (53:09 - 53:31) So I started to say this and people are like, oh, but you know, it's like Satoshi cannot be Prometheus because Satoshi is basically back into the realm of the gods. He's nowhere. But Bitcoin is Prometheus because Bitcoin is giving us the opportunity to liberate ourselves if we have the will to do it. (53:32 - 53:53) So when I started talking about that, and I actually gave a talk, I think it was last year in adopting Bitcoin in El Salvador, and I was speaking why I believe that Bitcoin is a very, very Promethean energy, also because it has a lot of Aquarius in the chart. And so because I do everything with charts. So are you saying the Bitcoin birth chart has a lot of Aquarius in it? Okay. (53:54 - 54:04) Yes. And progress chart this year, the sun, which was in Capricorn, but now it's in Aquarius is completely Aquarian. And then it attracts people that are very Aquarian. (54:05 - 54:13) Everybody that I do charts in Bitcoin, they have something very, very Aquarian. It's all about trauma. It's about like, remember, for me, this is what it is. (54:14 - 54:43) I believe that in other times, the people who are really very much aligned with Bitcoin, we knew about the society being distorted by overpowering, whether we were part of that in wars, whether we did something about it. But now when we came, we saw it and we recognize it as this technology that is, if we really do it right, it's going to lead us to the other realm. So there's a kind of memory because Aquarius is about trauma, collective trauma. (54:43 - 55:05) So I think that the energy of Bitcoin has this collective trauma embedded in the whole, in the whole, I don't know, genetics of what it is. And then when people align to it, they know that this is the technology that it can actually take us to a better way of living. And because it's mathematical, nobody can corrupt it, even though right now we have the war, there's always wars in Bitcoin. (55:05 - 55:14) So we have like the OPSEC, like, I mean, there's wars right now. And I laugh because man is always trying to divide things, the polarity. But Bitcoin in itself is that. (55:14 - 55:30) So I started thinking, what are the levels of consciousness that Bitcoin can give us? So some people are on the level of just financial. Some people are more like, oh, let's think about health. What about pharma? What about, because you start opening all those questions because you want to have a better life. (55:30 - 55:48) Like let's say you want to have a lot of money for when you grow old, but if you don't have health, how are you going to make use of that? You also want to make sure that your children are healthy and they are in an environment where they can actually have good education. So you're probably going to be homeschooling. So you change, you change everything. (55:48 - 55:54) Bitcoin opens the door to another level of consciousness. That's why I call it. It's a state of consciousness. (55:56 - 56:08) And the next answer is, is like Bitcoin is a state of consciousness and it's going to meet you where you're at. Yeah. Monica, there's so many people out there that talk about Bitcoin, like it's going to get to 20 million and it's going to get to 10 million. (56:09 - 56:28) Like, do you play that game at all? Do you, do you kind of like, I just found, okay, so I don't play that game. I actually learned how to read financial charts, but because I'm really good at patterns. So I found there's this guy, incredible guy that used to, he said that if you read the Bible three times, you know how to do like trading. (56:28 - 56:40) He lived in the 1920s, very famous guy, W.D. Gunn. And he's that, he's done everything with numerology, with astrology and just pattern recognition. So he wrote many books, but he wrote them in code. (56:40 - 56:46) So he's very, I'm, I'm a coder of, of things. I'm not a coder. I can code, but I'm a coder. (56:46 - 56:58) So my thing is how I'm going to decode that. So I wanted to get into the frequency of Bitcoin and I've been studying many things, how to get there. And a few weeks ago, I got a, I have to write this because I'm, I'm, I'm in the middle of it. (56:58 - 57:16) Like I created a thing with the eye to really validate everything. So I found that the big, the harmonics of Bitcoin are very much attached to Venus. Venus, I don't know if you know, Venus comes back to the same space every eight years and it creates this star of David in the sky. (57:17 - 57:33) And it has this retrograde and Venus is the planet that is very much related to money and it's related to basically our needs. So if you listen to your needs, you give value to them. Therefore you make choices that are, you know, going to be, you know, attached to the money problem. (57:34 - 57:45) And so I, and my chart is very, very much about deciphering. It's everything with Venus, like value, value, value, wherever I go is like, okay, I get it. So I started really asking in meditation. (57:45 - 58:04) I do this getaway series, you know, the getaway tapes meditation, you know, Bob Monroe out of body. I I've been doing them for a while. And when I do them, I get a lot of messages and they're all numbers and things that I have to decipher. (58:04 - 58:22) So I got a message few sometime time ago about to look at a specific thing that has to do with astrology, Venus and the price. So I started looking and I was like, Oh my God, I found the harmonics. So I cannot be predicting because this is the interesting thing. (58:22 - 58:26) It's like, I look at your natal chart. It's the same thing. And I can look at your progress chart. (58:26 - 58:40) I can actually ask you a lot of questions and we'll figure something out, but I cannot tell you you're going to die this day at that time. I cannot tell you if it's going to be married or not. I'm going to say there's a possibility that this and this and that, but it's, it's, there's free will in it. (58:40 - 58:50) And at the very end, Bitcoin is the total sum of everybody who is in that buying and selling. So we cannot predict. I don't think it's going to go to a million. (58:50 - 59:06) Honestly, if you ask me, no, yes, we're going to go into a bull market. I'm not going to say when, because I don't like saying, but I've become very good at it that few friends call me and they say, should I buy the dip? And I say, look, this is what I found. This is for entertainment purposes. (59:07 - 59:15) I'm not, this is not financial advice. And then they, they say, thank you. I mean, I just do it for fun, but there's cycles. (59:16 - 59:23) So if you see, for instance, this is where I think is very important. We're all wavelengths. We all like frequencies and Bitcoin has that too. (59:23 - 59:44) So the price is mirroring the sentiment of the collective. So, but there's a lot of people who manipulate markets, lots of people manipulate. So when you see this big, like yesterday was like, wow, then they're manipulating the market because basically what this government is doing right now is it's trying to get rid of fiat. (59:44 - 59:56) They're doing every possible thing. I think people should really start listening about CBDCs and all CBDC stable coins. They should really get informed and educate themselves financially so they don't get wrecked. (59:56 - 59:59) But I'm not here for the price. I'm here for. Yeah. (1:00:00 - 1:00:09) It's a bit of a false dichotomy to like measure the price of Bitcoin in fiat anyway. You know, it's like the whole idea is that Bitcoin is the primordial. It's one equals one and that's it. (1:00:10 - 1:00:14) It's the first time we have something that equals itself. Yeah. And then I'm almost all in. (1:00:14 - 1:00:28) I say I am almost because I still work in dollars when I get hired. But what I do is like I figure out a way how to kind of put everything. And so the moment I said I'm going to go all in, it's like, okay, I really trust this. (1:00:29 - 1:00:34) That's it. You have to trust it. But I trusted more than fiat or anything else. (1:00:36 - 1:01:09) No, thank you. Let's kind of bridge these two conversations we've had in relation to arts and like Bitcoin capitalism. Do you think better art is produced from the foundation of a deeper understanding of like capitalism and individualism as opposed to socialist and progressive art? It's interesting because Saif has written a couple of books where he says that, you know, modern art is heightened preference and it doesn't have any value. (1:01:09 - 1:01:21) And this is a place where we always kind of do like that because I'm an artist. So I always say, what do you know about art? He doesn't even like it. And so we had many conversations about them. (1:01:21 - 1:01:46) And I actually wrote in my book, like there's the only part where I say, like, I'm sorry, Saif, but you're wrong here because I'm an artist now. This is an interesting thing. If you study the history of art and you study the last 50 years and even the last probably 25 years, you will see that there's a lot of manipulation and a lot of money laundering here because the people who are actually putting a lot of money in buying art as assets are people. (1:01:47 - 1:02:01) It's the same people right now putting money into the Bitcoin reserves. And if you see right now the art market, they're not having so many sales because people find another asset where they can actually have money, you know, growing. And art used to be like that. (1:02:01 - 1:02:21) Now, artists are very ignorant of that. So they don't understand that they're being played and they're being, yeah, they're being played. So there's this concept that if you follow certain social, I don't know, ideologies like all the LGBTQ, whatever, whatever number of letters like that. (1:02:21 - 1:02:36) So I saw this in the 2010s. A lot of artists in New York, some of them were ex-friends of mine, that they started using all these ideologies in a very kind of sneaky way. So they got a lot of attention. (1:02:36 - 1:02:45) They got a lot of work in collections and they use it so they could get into the price. As like a form of like social approval, almost. Yes, 100%. (1:02:45 - 1:02:56) And so they were getting the social approval. They were getting the works in the collection and they were in the rat race. So they were, I don't know how much do they know that they're being played, but they are playing the game. (1:02:57 - 1:03:10) And I noticed that because, you know, you speak to the dealers and they tell you what I wish you would do more of this and less of that. And I'm like, no, that's not going to happen. So I noticed that I was always asking too many questions. (1:03:10 - 1:03:25) Why can't you produce my work? Why do you want me? And so many dealers started saying at the very end, Monica, either you're very complicated or you should just do your own dealing. You don't need a dealer. So that's when I started saying, oh, this is a red flag here. (1:03:25 - 1:03:34) If I ask too many questions, I ask for contracts. I was probably the only artist that I knew at my time that had a lawyer. I would run everything through my lawyer. (1:03:34 - 1:03:55) Make sure that I'm not going to be played and I'm going to be paid on time and all of that. So, um, I think that they don't, it's not that they don't care about the money, but they care so much about the social part and they want to become famous and they want to be part of collections that they forgo everything else. So there is a lot of bad art out there. (1:03:56 - 1:04:12) Yeah, a hundred percent, but I'm not saying that all artists are bad. I can't do that generalization also because I'm a great artist. What kind of art do you do? Like, what's your focus? I mean, I know you've done installations and things of that. (1:04:12 - 1:04:24) So I started as a photographer, black and white photographer. And once I went to a psychic a long time ago and she was like, I see that you're going to do color. And I was like, oh, I shouldn't pay you. (1:04:24 - 1:04:44) And then she says, no, no, no. I don't know when, but you and when I started doing color, I was like, wow, I wish I had believed all the things she told me because I kind of erased them from my head. But I started doing so when I moved to New York, I wanted to become an artist and I just pick up a video camera and I started making videos and then showing them. (1:04:44 - 1:05:01) I got invited to shows and I started showing them. Then I started working with like I was a photographer, but I wanted to materialize the photography. So I will make images and started using computer very early on, but then put them behind plexiglass, very thick and then kind of sanding the plexiglass. (1:05:01 - 1:05:19) So they will look like paintings. I was always playing with the idea of what perception is. So you will see a video from a view in my loft in Brooklyn that you see the towers and the Brooklyn Bridge and it's filmed for two years and you see nothing happening, but everything is happening. (1:05:20 - 1:05:35) So I will just play with the idea of like, what is the medium? Why does it still have to be moving? And why does, I don't know, moving has to kind of be still something like that. So I started doing that. Then I started like discovering other things. (1:05:35 - 1:05:43) Computer really changed a lot of what I produced. So I did show a lot in terms of like insight installations. I will create environments. (1:05:44 - 1:05:55) I will say I'll create environments where your perception is changed. My aim was always to hypnotize the person for a few minutes so they can actually question their own reality. That's what my work was about. (1:05:55 - 1:06:16) Now I started to be asked in the 2010s to do commission work and I started to see a lot of value in that because then you have like an entity that is outside of gallery system that asks you to do a proposal. They pay you for the proposals. You have to actually bring the proposal, speak about your proposal, be with some jurors. (1:06:16 - 1:06:27) You have to earn it. It's your own merit. And then when you win it, sometimes you don't, many times you don't, you are giving a large amount of money and then two to three years to fabricate it. (1:06:28 - 1:06:35) So it's a whole process that is not just like bring me another thing for this wall. We need a red painting. It's not like that. (1:06:35 - 1:06:54) It's a different. So it gave me the time and the space to consider that I didn't want to work with more dealers and I just focus on that. So I've been doing, I have a lot of work in airports, subway stations, universities, schools, hospitals, anything that is federal. (1:06:54 - 1:07:01) It's funny. I work for the government. I work for the government with a socialist program that's called 1% per art. (1:07:01 - 1:07:18) I have a few things that happen, but, and it's maintained by them. Last piece that I did was for the University of Washington in Seattle, one of the most woke universities in the world. And I was there teaching everybody like, wow, this is woke central. (1:07:19 - 1:07:29) And then these dollars and everybody was like, why are you? And I'm like, wow, this place is fucking woke. And then I said, I only fear one thing. I only fear that these idiots are going to come and destroy the work. (1:07:30 - 1:07:45) Two weeks later, there was this thing at the university where they were, they basically, they couldn't enter where my piece was. It was all over the news because they didn't have the key, but they destroyed the whole building was brand new. These people just are idiots. (1:07:46 - 1:07:53) So anyway. I mean, destruction and violence seems very common in terms of, you know, the fruit of these ideas. There's no doubt about that. (1:07:54 - 1:07:59) I want to ask a question. Is it moving away from art? No. Okay, go. (1:07:59 - 1:08:13) No, it's not. It's a question that, I don't know, you may take offense to, you may not, but I'm just curious. You're a Latin woman, and obviously you've come to a certain ideology now in terms of or however long you've looked at things in the world. (1:08:13 - 1:08:26) I know you're anti-woe. Do you think, and I know you've earned your work, but do you think at all being a Latin woman has led to your art career taking off in a certain way as well? Well, very good questions. I don't get any offense of the last projects. (1:08:27 - 1:08:33) I'm sure that that was a DEI that they were saying, oh, let's choose Monica. She can do color. So that's diversity. (1:08:34 - 1:08:44) But then what happened in many of these projects, once they got me after the first interview and we signed the contract, they learned that I'm not. Yeah. So they had to deal with me. (1:08:44 - 1:08:50) They had to deal with me like big time. And they were like, oh, and I was like, no bullshit. No, no, no. (1:08:50 - 1:09:02) They were trying, especially in Boston. They wanted me to wear masks and do stuff. And I'm like, no, I wrote a letter that is based on natural law saying that I'm not going to, there's nothing above me other than God. (1:09:02 - 1:09:15) And nobody's going to interfere with the property of my body. And even the mayor of Boston had to say she never accepted that I was right. But she said she's going to make an exception, which it's a win-win for me. (1:09:15 - 1:09:37) And so that's why I started learning about natural law and common law to see how I'm going to speak, because we are allowing governments everywhere in England and everywhere to step over our rights to speak and to live freely. And this is something that I'm really voicing it more and more. But you need to get educated. (1:09:37 - 1:09:52) You need to have the etymology and the language. Yeah. But yes, I did get because of that, because that's what I, but I never, when I have to cross the boxes, I always say I'm not like, I'm not Latina. (1:09:52 - 1:10:05) And if I can answer, I said, I was brought up in a way that I, I learn about many cultures. I lived in a place where I don't, you know, everything is equal in a very different way. So no, I don't, I don't sign up with those. (1:10:05 - 1:10:14) Yeah, no, thanks for that. I was just curious, you know, cause a lot of times the things that we like rail against, we get value from it or we get benefit from something because of that. And so it's like the dance of opposite. (1:10:14 - 1:10:16) I benefit. I benefit. Yes. (1:10:16 - 1:10:26) But I, I always voice my opinion or whatever and people get annoyed. Yeah. But, but that's why I'm an artist because I, I'm here to just speak my voice. (1:10:26 - 1:10:30) Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for sharing, Monica. (1:10:31 - 1:10:40) Yeah. Just back in terms of the relationship between ideology and arts. I'm not sure if you, if you, if you've read the romantic manifesto by Ayn Rand. (1:10:40 - 1:10:44) Oh, okay. I definitely recommend. I know, I know Ayn Rand, but. (1:10:45 - 1:10:51) The romantic manifesto is her commentary on arts. It's, it's, it's specifically art focused. Okay. (1:10:51 - 1:10:53) I should read it. Yeah. You should check it out. (1:10:53 - 1:11:13) And basically like for her, it's like the fruit of the art is directly correlated to the person creating its sense of life. Right. Um, and for her, the relationship was like the, the fruit of Marxist or socialist art very much was like irrational and all over the place and incoherence. (1:11:13 - 1:11:35) And like you mentioned, lacking principles, lacking foundation, whereas, you know, the, the fruit of someone who comes from a more coherent place is more so visible. Anyway, she goes into this whole commentary on the, on the destruction of art. Um, and the other thing I wanted to say was, so I'm currently living in San Miguel, Mexico, where the roots and the foundations of this place are very much driven by arts. (1:11:36 - 1:11:51) All the artists kind of fled here. Um, I think post world war two or something like that. Um, and as you know, like the most revered figure in all of Mexican art is Frida Kahlo, right? Like she was magnified beyond belief. (1:11:51 - 1:12:01) And like, I didn't know much about Frida, but like, okay, it was cool. Frida. Then I think it was some months ago, I watched the movie, uh, Frida and Salma Hayek was the actress. (1:12:01 - 1:12:08) I had no idea. Like she was a raging Marxist. Um, and like Diego Rivera, her husband was a raging Marxist. (1:12:08 - 1:12:12) And the Rockefeller mural that they have. The Rockefeller mural. Yeah, that's, that's right. (1:12:12 - 1:12:41) And like, she even had, she had an affair with Trotsky as well when he came to visit, but like, I don't know if the movie representation was correct, but she seemed like so like self loathing and self hateful and just very much inclined towards destruction. And for me, it's just like, man, they, there's everywhere you look is Frida Kahlo in Mexico. And it's like, wow, it's just so interesting how these people get propped up, you know? And Mexican artists, most of them are all like socialists. (1:12:41 - 1:12:53) And now you have a new woman that is purely socialist. It's funny. I lost, I had a lot of friends in Mexico and they stopped following me when I started doing like this with Millet and Trump. (1:12:53 - 1:12:58) They're like, you don't know what you're talking about. I was like, no, I know what I'm talking about. You don't know what you're talking about. (1:12:58 - 1:13:09) She was quite a thing. I've never been a Frida Kahlo like leader. No, I don't like what she did. (1:13:09 - 1:13:17) I don't even like her paintings. I don't like when you take your suffering and you carry it that way. I don't think so. (1:13:17 - 1:13:50) And then Diego, like I was interested in him because when I started doing public art, I started going to many places in New York where public art started being like, he was one of the first in New York and he was like, sorry. And this is like what happens when you get a contract with somebody who's the difference with when you work for a state and when you work for a private corporation, it's like you can have the work taken completely out and you can be Diego Rivera or whatever. So that was interesting for me to find out. (1:13:50 - 1:14:02) And I went to see if there were any traces. Obviously, they didn't leave any traces, but it was a fun story to read about. Because he wanted to paint a portrait of Lennon in one of the public spaces in the Rockefeller building. (1:14:03 - 1:14:33) Yeah, yeah. But if you see a lot of that art, like art deco, there's so many symbology that can go, it can pass as something else. So it's interesting because there was all this period and many artists, actually, I think all the abstract expression is that it is said that they were used by the CIA and the government in order to to promote American art, because like the art from the Soviet Union was very figurative. (1:14:33 - 1:14:50) So that they say, somebody says, I don't really believe that, that it was a movement that was created to to make like, I don't know, like a dialogue. But I do love Roscoe and I love all these people. The only thing is that I know that all this group of people ended up killing themselves. (1:14:50 - 1:15:16) So God only knows what they knew that ended up having all of them dead. So yeah, it's interesting because like the artist is the most inclined towards like the revolutionary, so to speak. But yet it's like real revolution isn't this resistance and to take down the man and so whatever it might be like, real revolution is you uplifting yourself, right? Yes. (1:15:17 - 1:15:37) And I think that that's the problem right now in art is like people are behind the facade and they don't understand where the money is coming from. They don't, you know, they're against the oligarchy, right? Let's say. But then when the oligarch comes in another phase as the patron that wants to sustain your work for two or three years, oh, that's different. (1:15:37 - 1:15:40) Yeah. They're patrons. And I'm like, but that's the same thing. (1:15:41 - 1:15:59) No, it is not. And I said, do you know where money comes from? Because when you know where it comes from, you probably would like to say yes or no to that money because everything is connected. And so I think that there's a lack of responsibility from the artist who wanted to accept that they have a say and they're not victims of society. (1:15:59 - 1:16:10) So, but they're being indoctrinated. I mean, we can even look at the life of Karl Marx directly. Like he was completely financially supported by Engels, who was one of the most prominent industrialists. (1:16:10 - 1:16:31) He was a lazy bum that had a lot of opinions and he was not even famous when he was. I mean, that manifesto was kind of like brought to light later on. And I don't understand why it was a big, I actually think that people who were really bullying the world, like the deep state kind of use it in a way says, this is perfect. (1:16:31 - 1:16:36) We can talk about oppression and everybody's going to go, oh yes, poor people. So it's interesting. Yeah, exactly. (1:16:36 - 1:17:14) Because like for me, like whenever, like the way that I look at, I guess the overarching conspiracy from a macro lens is I see it fundamentally as a war on the values of the West and anything that can be weaponized against the primordial values of the West being freedom, independence, capitalism, entrepreneurship, whatever it might be. Like you see that and you see it also in the conditioning where like the West has been so indoctrinated to hate itself, where the Western mind has begun to hate itself. Not realizing everything that the West has created, even the very fact that you can have a different opinion. (1:17:16 - 1:17:27) It's beautiful. That's why lately I really went back to the Greeks. I think that, you know, that culture really gave us, and the Greeks brought a lot of wisdom from Egypt as well. (1:17:27 - 1:17:36) So I noticed, you know, Simas in one picture of something that you have the biogeometry thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I got this several years ago. (1:17:36 - 1:17:41) Yeah. So I've studied with Ibrahim Karim. So I did that. (1:17:41 - 1:18:08) So it's interesting because I love the Egyptian culture where all the occult and everything like that. So there's so many principles there, but the Greeks kind of took it and brought it to the West and start speaking about them in a way that it was more easy to digest. So I think that right now, going back to those main things, like going back to the Socratic dialogue, like how can we have conversations? It's not about winning. (1:18:08 - 1:18:19) It's about the new thing that can emerge between two people or three people when they're speaking. What is ontology? How things are formed. You know, Plato, so beautiful. (1:18:19 - 1:18:32) How can I try things? You know, Aristotle, like, you know, be empirical about, be your own scientist in your life. Be your own subject. And that's what human design is, isn't it? Yes. (1:18:32 - 1:18:37) Yes. Yes. But not the people who are like repeating things. (1:18:38 - 1:18:51) Not the pirates. No, it's your, you're in your own experiment and you're observing and correlating what you're doing. So I had, for the last two years, created many assistants on AI. (1:18:51 - 1:18:56) I'm pro technology since I was little. I'm always something new. I'm not learning. (1:18:56 - 1:19:06) And I decided to, instead of having some assistants, I'm just going to create the assistants. So I have devised ways of learning very fast. It's incredible. (1:19:07 - 1:19:17) It's incredible. And so another thing that I created was like a codex of me. Like there's everything about my design, everything, but it's filled with my own. (1:19:18 - 1:19:28) Every day I talk about it. Every day I talk about it. It's there for me just to have like, I don't know, like a surface board or to recognize certain things. (1:19:28 - 1:19:39) So it's been incredible. And I got very deep with it because I have a sounding board that can remember my insights. It can really get what it means. (1:19:39 - 1:19:55) So, yeah. I think that the potential with AI on that level, like the right mind and the right person with the right reasons coming into contact is like, it's exponential. What value can be created for oneself? I am right, right, right, left. (1:19:55 - 1:20:04) So the only left part that I have is my perspective. So I can be very focused, but everything else, I'm a funnel. I'm always receiving. (1:20:04 - 1:20:11) So that's why it has become, so I'm very much about synthesis. It's because I have so much information. Sometimes it's like, oh, I'm going to go crazy. (1:20:11 - 1:20:18) So I need them because I'm a left cross. I need people to ask questions. So then these things can come out. (1:20:18 - 1:20:31) So that's why I train AI to, my assistants cannot speak to me without me telling them that they can actually open their mouth. So then I said, ask me the right question for this. And then I interact. (1:20:31 - 1:20:41) Amazing. Amazing. Monica, Greek food or Arabic food? Arabic food. (1:20:41 - 1:20:46) No, it's the same. I know. It's, but the thing is that you don't have a lot of need. (1:20:46 - 1:20:53) So now I'm just looking at it. I think it was just like upset. He's about to end this podcast. (1:20:54 - 1:20:58) I'm engaged in the Socratic method right now. Oh yeah, he's there. We're having the dialogue. (1:20:59 - 1:21:07) We lost him in Socrates. He's like, yeah. But there would be no Greek food without Arabic food anyway. (1:21:08 - 1:21:13) 100%. 100%. And there wouldn't be Spanish language without Arabic language. (1:21:13 - 1:21:19) Yeah. There wouldn't even be mathematics without Arabs. Yeah, I love that culture. (1:21:19 - 1:21:24) So I'll send you that a thousand dollars later. Okay. Yes. (1:21:27 - 1:21:46) What is your favorite Arabic food? And what is your favorite Greek food? And are they similar? Oh, you know what I loved in Greece? The taramosalata. Oh, it's my favorite. I mean, a lot of it's my favorite, but whenever we travel to the islands, if a restaurant doesn't have taramosalata, I'm like, are you serious? What? And then I learned that it was more seasonal. (1:21:47 - 1:21:55) So I would go to a restaurant like in September, taramosalata, and people would turn around and I was like, hey, I'm Colombian. I'm from Colombia. So people are like, okay, she's Colombian. (1:21:55 - 1:22:00) She doesn't understand. And I was like, oh, I understand. I just love the taramosalata. (1:22:00 - 1:22:16) I also love how different restaurants, like obviously there's traditional, but then they have their own little like twist on it. And so, yeah. All the dips, like, you know, tzatziki or anything that you have with yogurt, Mediterranean food is all about these little tidbits. (1:22:16 - 1:22:19) And it's so delicious. Yeah, tapas. Yeah, a little bit like that. (1:22:19 - 1:22:28) But since I'm a full carnivore, I only eat meat right now. Yes, lamb too. Lamb is delicious. (1:22:29 - 1:22:36) Yeah, like, yeah. No, Greek was the food, the people. I remember the grandmothers were the best. (1:22:36 - 1:22:40) Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. All the yaya's is like the best. (1:22:40 - 1:23:04) And they used to make fun of me because a lot of these old women did not understand how a Colombian young lady, it's free roaming all over the world. And they were like, does your mother know that you're here? And I was like, yeah, of course, she's paying for this. It's a different mindset, you know, they're a little bit more like close knit, like don't venture off. (1:23:05 - 1:23:12) And the grandmother of my ex-boyfriend, she didn't like me. I didn't like her either. You know, we're like between people. (1:23:12 - 1:23:17) I were like this. And then she will tell me sometimes, you know, you will never become Greek. And I was like, wants to be Greek. (1:23:18 - 1:23:28) And then she started telling me, you will never get the passport you want. And so then I will turn around and say, look, your grandmother is just telling me some truth here. So maybe, you know, maybe she's right. (1:23:28 - 1:23:37) And he was like, yeah, yeah. Why are you telling this to Monica? And I was like, I don't like her to be Greek. She's like, she's not Greek. (1:23:37 - 1:23:45) And I was like, I cannot convert to that. That's like you're bored. And she was the one who told me like, you can only be Greek if you are born in Greece. (1:23:46 - 1:24:04) So then I'm not Greek. Something like that. Hey, Monica, is there anything that we've left out of the picture here that you feel is like presence and wanting to come forth in the last 10 minutes here? Yeah, I think that tools are very important to have in one's life. (1:24:04 - 1:24:19) And everybody can tap into their own tools if they kind of align with their own frequency. That's why for me, human design and astrology are so important because they're not these tools to predict. There's no prediction, even financial charts. (1:24:19 - 1:24:32) It's not about predicting, but it's understanding how your design is working. And then you can use it as a board to know that you're actually aligned. I mean, the best way that you know you're going to be aligned is when things happen to you. (1:24:32 - 1:24:48) And even if you have triggers or things that are not really flowing, you question those things and then you will have an opening. Like I love triggers because they give me a possibility to confront something that I didn't want to deal with. So I think that understanding from that perspective. (1:24:49 - 1:25:25) And another thing that I think is important is that we're entering a very, very like I don't want to use the word dark, but it's going to be a very difficult next six months in humanity because we're going to see more confusion. So my take to everybody right now is like, take the stand of the tower, go up in the tower and start looking at your life from afar and concentrate on the little things inside of yourself. Because if you really develop your instinct and you understand what your design is and you follow your light, you're not going to be confused. (1:25:25 - 1:25:46) But if you are out there reading everything and believing every style and that because we are in the side of the side of the side, I mean, we're Truman show like times 100. So you're not going to give anything to yourself if you keep on connected to that energy. So disconnect a little bit and live your life. (1:25:46 - 1:25:50) So I've been this life. I've been taking it. I'm very hermetic this year. (1:25:51 - 1:25:58) I've been taking a lot of time for myself. I created a whole relationship with my own values and with myself. I'm my best friend right now. (1:25:58 - 1:26:19) And so I don't need the outside. Obviously, I love other people, but I decided because I know the astrology and I go, oh my God, we're really going to be in a very shaky boat until February 2026 and onward. So I always say about like, if you're on a boat and you have to get to the other shore, make sure you don't have the drunk person in that boat. (1:26:19 - 1:26:38) You have to boot out of your life people who are not giving you the right thing because you're going to lose a lot of energy trying to keep for yourself. So we have to understand who our communities are. And I'm going to start focusing on community more next year because I wanted to concentrate on me. (1:26:38 - 1:27:01) And I think because I received those messages that community will come to me the right one as soon as this big storm is coming and know that I can actually be on my boat kind of sailing the storm with courage. So we need to be courageous and speak our truth. And I don't think a lot of people understand how important that is this moment to be correct. (1:27:02 - 1:27:07) Yeah. Thank you for sharing that, you know, in honor of booting the drunk person off. I just want to make the announcement. (1:27:07 - 1:27:18) I'm not going to be working with Joel anymore. I'm going to go on my own and I just need to, like, steady my ship. And he's just, you know, taking me in a direction that I just don't think is my aligned path. (1:27:18 - 1:27:24) That's not true. I was laughing so much at that clip on Instagram. I was like, what is that? Oh, with Alec. (1:27:25 - 1:27:33) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Monica, without me, you're supposed to be just a leaf scattered in the wind. So you're drafting him. (1:27:34 - 1:27:42) So you'll be like, la, la, la, la. No, I think you both do a great pair. And I guess that if you see your charts, it's it's all there. (1:27:43 - 1:28:04) I love looking at charts in terms of frequency, because every like, for instance, every position, every gate, every line, it has has a frequency. And when you align or you or you have like a channels connecting it, you're actually resonated at a certain degree. And that's why it's so beautiful about it, because you can actually align with the right people or or meet the right people. (1:28:04 - 1:28:09) We're going to throw you into the right track. Yeah, I agree. I agree. (1:28:09 - 1:28:16) I mean, partnership is very important to me for many systems. I mean, for both of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. (1:28:16 - 1:28:28) So it's been it's been really great. But it was like a once in a lifetime connection to, you know, on many levels. You know, all jokes aside, you know, it's just I feel really blessed and honored to have Joel as a dear friend and a brother and a business partner. (1:28:28 - 1:28:36) I have the deepest respect for him. His backgammon game has been slipping lately. But other than that, you know, you know, he's a good he's good. (1:28:36 - 1:28:44) I'll be I'll be back. We're back. You guys are Pluto in Libra or or or in Scorpio? I'm Pluto in Scorpio. (1:28:44 - 1:28:47) I was 1990. He's 1980. There's a decade between us. (1:28:48 - 1:28:57) You're 1990? Yep. You're still in the crib? Like, babe, six to six to six to Monica. You're getting there. (1:28:57 - 1:29:01) You're getting there. I love it. Yeah, 1990. (1:29:01 - 1:29:10) I get along with millennials. I think I waited until like 10 years ago. And when you guys started waking up, I was like, where have you been all my life? It's just amazing. (1:29:10 - 1:29:24) But yet both of those Pluto need they need partnerships to understand how to evolve. I'm a Pluto in Virgo. So it's all about kind of discerning and refining society in a different lens. (1:29:24 - 1:29:36) And so my chart is very much about myself, which is hard to accept it. But now I'm like, OK, this is what it is. I'm not going to lie to myself and try to pretend that I have to do these other things. (1:29:36 - 1:29:49) So that was like, oh, good to understand on the design level. When I learned I was a manifestor, I cried for like 10 days. When did you learn that? 2017, I had my chart. (1:29:49 - 1:30:01) I was at my lowest. 2017, I was I mean, I've said this already in public. I wanted to kill myself because my life had gone into a place that I didn't want what I had. (1:30:01 - 1:30:06) So I start cutting things very fast. But then I I was left with nothing. I didn't know who I was anymore. (1:30:06 - 1:30:15) And I was in a desperate situation. And then something happened that day that I wanted to actually do it. That made me kind of reflect. (1:30:16 - 1:30:30) And then I remember praying and saying, just show me the way of how to understand my life, because I don't understand what I'm doing. And I'm very confused. So within a few weeks, I saw this astrologer, evolutionary astrologer. (1:30:30 - 1:30:38) His name is Simon online. I had a reading with him, and he introduced me like a manifestor. And I was like, what? Because I knew about astrology, but not. (1:30:39 - 1:30:48) And so when he told me that and he told me what it was, I was like, oh, everything is making sense, especially because I think I was married to a generator. Generator. And he became a manifestor. (1:30:48 - 1:30:52) Wannabe. And I became a generic wannabe. So everything changed. (1:30:52 - 1:31:03) So that's when I started studying both and started doing readings in 2017. So yeah, but I you still do. Do you do readings for people? Yes, I do readings. (1:31:03 - 1:31:15) I do readings. I like to do readings to the right people, meaning that I only intentionally attract the people who actually are supposed to be in my in my in my cross. I'm the left cross of alignment. (1:31:15 - 1:31:26) So whoever comes through me, it's going to receive. I'm like that post in the middle of the road, like when you're hiking and there's some directions. I get on my doors. (1:31:26 - 1:31:34) Thank you. And so you're like, I don't do anything else like like that when I do the reading. So I don't want quantity. (1:31:34 - 1:31:37) I want quality. Yeah. And and it's good. (1:31:37 - 1:31:48) So, yeah, I do. I do several months of readings a week, but I also do my artwork and I speak in conferences about Bitcoin. So I have a I have a lot of things that I want to do. (1:31:48 - 1:32:03) So I don't want to just. I love it. I love this unique synthesis that is just brewing within you between all these worlds, particularly because like primarily primarily in both the art worlds and even the astrology worlds, like it's very left leaning. (1:32:03 - 1:32:07) Yeah. Huge. The spiritual world. (1:32:08 - 1:32:14) Oh, my goodness. The astrology community is like, I don't follow anybody anymore. I'm like gone, gone, gone, gone. (1:32:14 - 1:32:35) And yeah, even in even in the health professions and psychology and trauma, like it's very, it's very, very interesting to see. And it's like, what are the roots of that? You know, is it from an academic standpoint, like going through the universities? Is it just like this idea? Like if I help someone, I'm a good person. And then you're getting kind of co-opted by certain ideas. (1:32:36 - 1:33:00) I think it's the Pluto in Aquarius that is actually creating a lot of and and what we're seeing right now, Saturn and Neptune and Pisces, the end of it. So we're at the end of a very big delusional state. When Neptune entered Pisces in 2011 and the like, look at me generation with Instagram created this idea that you have to always be like speaking. (1:33:01 - 1:33:12) But that doesn't mean that when you speak out, you're actually becoming 100% true. You are projecting a persona. So you are asking the world to give you likes and give you algorithms. (1:33:12 - 1:33:32) So then you're not creating reality. They don't have a reality within themselves because it's all about the algorithm is about like whatever the influence or like I it's interesting because when I speak about this word, if you know the origin of the word influence, it was first used in the Middle Ages when they were talking about the planets. They'd say the planets have an influence over you. (1:33:32 - 1:33:44) So having an influence is having power over something. Now, inspirational means it comes from breath to inspire us. But it means if you're inspirational, you're not doing anything to anybody. (1:33:44 - 1:33:53) You're actually giving your breath from your breath. So people go, huh, I like that. Am I going to try my thing? But it's not influence. (1:33:53 - 1:34:15) So I think that these people, a lot of them rely on the algorithm to make a living, which is the most slave thing you can do. Like if I only have to make my living from readings, I'll be dead because then I will have to be there every day like I don't want to do that. Like when I post, I post from my I post and I don't care about it. (1:34:15 - 1:34:40) Things come because I'm aligned with my own thing. So I think that there's also this group thing that is happening with Luton Aquarius that people are not feeding the part of themselves that is about being accountable, about being responsible with their own will. And they think that they have to hold hands and jump all together, you know, like all these cults that they always do things together. (1:34:40 - 1:35:02) That's the problem with Pluton Aquarius. So until they don't find their own Promethean fire, which, you know, Prometheus is one of the most beautiful stories. He basically gave light to humans and he sacrificed himself until good old Chiron came and said, I don't want to have a painful life because I have a wooden leg. (1:35:03 - 1:35:13) I'm going to give my immortality to Prometheus. And that's when he became part of a constellation of Sagittarius and Prometheus was able to live among the humans. So we all have that part of ourselves. (1:35:13 - 1:35:40) We have the part where we have a pain and we have to give something to humanity with that pain. So your pain becomes your best asset. So when you get your Chiron return, you're still very young, but when you get it, especially you, Joe, if you're a 62, when you're 50, that Chiron is going to be, wow, like become fully your biggest, like, I don't want to say weapon, but tool in your life. (1:35:41 - 1:35:45) Yeah. I love this conversation. Oh, thank you. (1:35:46 - 1:35:59) Yeah, same here. I knew it was going to be great. You know, once we first connected and like seeing the things that you're into and the people that you're connected with and like, you know, you brought up Mark Jones and Tiziano and like, I mean, this is our world and I just love it. (1:36:00 - 1:36:10) I'm just so grateful to connect with you. I love that you have some history in Greece too. Yeah, yeah, I think I think our audience is going to get a lot of a lot of value from this conversation. (1:36:11 - 1:36:23) And just, you know, don't be don't be afraid to be yourself. I think we need to be more courageous and courage is a word that comes from the heart. If you have heart, you can get anything. (1:36:23 - 1:36:38) So connect to that energy and do what is really making you feel passion. Because everything comes along, everything, money, everything comes. The ultimate form of courage is to be oneself. (1:36:38 - 1:36:52) 100%. What is courage beyond that? You know? Yeah, yeah. And if you think of like, I have dreams of being a very like terrible, not terrible, but like a strong warrior in previous lives. (1:36:53 - 1:37:02) Very like it's it's it comes over and over. And and I know that the courage is not just to go and fight. So I learned like fighting is something I did a lot of martial arts and everything. (1:37:03 - 1:37:18) So I tried to understand what fighting is. And it's not I ended up doing Tai Chi and Feng Shui and all these things to understand that the energy is something that you basically take from the attacker and you transform. So it's not about defense nor offense. (1:37:18 - 1:37:42) It's about understanding how the energy is going to evolve. So courage is something that you will know you need in a specific moment where you actually have somebody coming and taking away your right to speak or taking away your right to have a face without a mask. And then if you learn the language, you can say, I prefer it not to do that instead of saying, I'm going to kill you because you're an idiot and all that, because this is what I find in social media. (1:37:42 - 1:37:53) People are fighting and they're insulting each other because they are not eloquent. They don't know how to speak. They don't even know what they're fighting for because they're blah, blah, blah, mimicking the other. (1:37:53 - 1:38:04) So that's why I was very disrupt about the death of Charlie Kirk. It really, really got me in my heart. Then I look at his chart and mine and I was like, of course, there was something very much connected. (1:38:04 - 1:38:34) And then I did a little bit of like, I don't want to say celebration, but yeah, I did a little bit of like candles and stuff. And I said, I'm going to speak to his soul to see if he can give me through meditation, like something that is going to make his life be valuable, like whether he's dead or not, you know, because we don't know. And it's beautiful because that's when I had this phrase coming. (1:38:34 - 1:39:10) It says, yes, keep on educating people and the difference between indoctrination, education and schooling and tell them to be free. Yeah, I think that's the most powerful aspect, I think, of his legacy is just the critique of colleges, period. You know, and it's like, are you wasting your life in this place that is just sucking your life force out, whereas this time could be spent in a much more efficient, valuable manner in terms of the ultimate evolution of your soul? A hundred percent. (1:39:10 - 1:39:25) And then it's funny because he did all this like Hillsdale College and Liberty Classroom and I've been, I signed up for those courses like two years ago. So when I used to watch him a lot because I just loved the way how he was eloquent. And I was like, I want to be eloquent. (1:39:25 - 1:39:36) So I want to be able to have a dialogue and maybe disagree, but at least know what I'm talking about. Yeah. And say, I don't know when I don't know, which is one thing a lot of people don't do. (1:39:36 - 1:39:50) Having the courage to be humble. Well said. I learned that late in my life because when I was in New York, you pretend so much that you're faking it until you make it. (1:39:50 - 1:39:59) Hey, Monica, do you have an open Ajna? No. Okay. No, my, I have a, my head, my Ajna is closed. (1:39:59 - 1:40:02) My, no, sorry. It's like define, define, define. Gotcha. (1:40:02 - 1:40:09) And I have a will center defined. My only two that are open is my identity, my G center and my sacral. Three. (1:40:09 - 1:40:11) Yeah. Yeah. That's it. (1:40:11 - 1:40:19) Everything else is like, sorry, I'm defined. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm pretty open. (1:40:19 - 1:40:23) I only have three centers defined. Oh, nice. I've got six defined as well. (1:40:24 - 1:40:30) Yeah. I don't know. Like I, I, I don't know what I will be if I was all open. (1:40:30 - 1:40:37) I don't know. Like already with the identity was a little bit difficult for me to understand. Well, I mean, it's a tricky one. (1:40:37 - 1:40:52) That's a tricky one. You know, like I find people even that I've worked with, you know, when they have an open identity center, like how to navigate this fluidity of identity as you move through life and go through. Especially now, especially now, especially now with what you have to identify yourself with. (1:40:52 - 1:41:03) Like, are you what gender? Like, I get really annoyed when they put me these questions. I'm like, no, no, no, no. And they, and I said, I'm not going to fall into this idiotic thing because today maybe I want to feel like I'm a turtle. (1:41:03 - 1:41:11) I don't know. Like, I don't know. But it took me time because in New York, you basically needed to identify yourself all the time. (1:41:13 - 1:41:21) And if you didn't, you were ridiculous. You didn't know who you were. So it brought shame to me until I'm like, no, I'm going to liberate myself. (1:41:21 - 1:41:36) So I think that that's one of the biggest ones as well with the will center, people trying to pretend that they can do all these things. Like I have my will center defined and I only attract people who have no will center. And I laugh so much because they break my nerves. (1:41:36 - 1:41:43) But then I said, no, they're doing their thing. Yeah. I mean, I've had to learn like this whole idea, the motivation behind why I do the things that I do. (1:41:43 - 1:41:55) Am I trying to prove myself? I mean, both Joe and I have an undefined center. I think, Joel, you have no gates at all in your in your ego center. You know, so it's just it's just interesting, you know, and I have an undefined throat. (1:41:55 - 1:42:12) So I've had to I've had to take a look at how like, you know, proving my worth, attracting attention. The conditioning influences of those two have been like my main things that I had to kind of work through over life. And even the open Ajna of even just like needing to needing to be certain and needing to convince people that you're certain. (1:42:12 - 1:42:26) Like earlier on in my life, those three together felt like the strongest, like conditioning influences on me that I've just, you know, I'm getting some wisdom around it. That's completely open for me as well. Zero gates in my Ajna, zero gates in my will center. (1:42:26 - 1:42:29) Oh, wow. Yeah, that's powerful. I know two very good friends. (1:42:29 - 1:42:37) And at the beginning, they were breaking my nerves like, yeah, we'll talk. And then it's like nothing happens. And I'm like, well, and now I know like they need time to actually. (1:42:37 - 1:43:06) But it's all perfect, isn't it? Like this integration of, you know, our design via astrology, via human design, via whatever it might be, and even via just the core essence of who we are. Like all these things amalgamate together into this perfect path, which is yours to unlock. But, you know, the first ingredient is this courage, which requires you to walk the path in order for all this synthesis that comes together in this beautiful way, you know, which is this unique life path that only you can live. (1:43:06 - 1:43:12) And no one has ever existed before that can live that. And that will never. It's your own imprint. (1:43:13 - 1:43:28) And one thing that Paola didn't speak about that has really helped me both in evolution astrology and human design is Jungian shadow work. I was very early on attracted to Jung. I actually have a lot of things that I share in our chart that is like, it's just so familiar. (1:43:29 - 1:43:43) And understanding how the other person's situation or thing are going to be a surface for my projections and expectations. And it's like a dialogue. So instead of like me saying, oh, this is right or wrong and saying like, I'm triggered. (1:43:44 - 1:44:00) What is it that I'm triggered about that is coming my way to show me another way like evolution? Because the third way is evolution. That's why we're so much embedded in this third dimension is bringing us a possibility to evolve. If it weren't the other dimensions, we wouldn't evolve. (1:44:00 - 1:44:08) So it's very, very beautiful place to be, to be empirical and make mistakes. Exactly, exactly. All of them. (1:44:09 - 1:44:12) All of them. The younger, the better. Touch all the bottoms. (1:44:12 - 1:44:15) Beat the room by house. Boom, boom, boom. You know, like. (1:44:16 - 1:44:28) But I mean, that's what it is like conjecture and criticism, like trial and error, like iterates. Like, how else do you learn? How else do you get better? How was like, you have to be willing to fail. You have to be willing to make mistakes. (1:44:28 - 1:44:36) You have to be willing to be the fool time and time again. Like, if you want to be the master, learn how to be the fool gracefully. Yes, 100 percent. (1:44:37 - 1:44:45) Are you? What are you? A five one? I'm a five one emotional. Okay. Oh, he's single definition. (1:44:45 - 1:44:57) Okay, beautiful. Yeah, because Joe is still in the you're ready. You're in the he's in the second phase in the second, which is the best when you're like your own thing. (1:44:57 - 1:45:01) I think that's so beautiful. Human design is perfect. Yeah. (1:45:01 - 1:45:15) Well, I just think it's been a cool system. You know, I've definitely enjoyed it, but we've talked about it, you know, and it's definitely allowed allowed me to just again, something I say often just stake my flag in the ground even more like you have these intuitions like this is who I am. This is what I'm interested in. (1:45:15 - 1:45:23) So what I like about these systems, they mirror back to you like, okay, all right. This explains why I do this. This explains why this is a gift of mine. (1:45:23 - 1:45:38) This explains why this is a challenge of mine. And it's all these systems. You know, I've gotten something, whether it's a system based on playing cards or numerology or human design or astrology or or I just I value it because self-knowledge is a value is a deep value of mine. (1:45:39 - 1:45:41) It's like probably the highest value. It's the highest. It's the highest. (1:45:41 - 1:46:02) And I agree like that. And I also point for me like I have few friends right now and I know their charts and and it's interesting because I started accepting people as they are because they are different. And sometimes like, you know, not having a will center beginning, I was like, you know, like we will do this on Friday. (1:46:02 - 1:46:08) And then Friday came. It's like changing their mind, you know, and I'm like, I say yes, and I do it. You know what? You know, it's interesting. (1:46:08 - 1:46:16) I like I've got a completely open will center, but I've got like six planets in Capricorn. So it's like, I guess you're done, you know? Yeah. Yeah, you do. (1:46:16 - 1:46:32) And because you're that beautiful year with everything in Capricorn is there like, okay, you guys, you guys came to get a lot of things done, which is beautiful. And, you know, this kind of relates back within the beginning. We're talking about like the ego, ego, I, you know, and for me, it's like, this is what this is. (1:46:32 - 1:46:47) It's like not from a place of like, you know, unhinged pride or whatever it might be, but it's like a real genuine pride in that. I am a unique human being that came with a unique purpose. There's something that only I can fulfill. (1:46:47 - 1:47:04) And at some place in time, like I came with certain qualities that perhaps I even chose certain qualities, certain circumstances, whatever it might be for me to fulfill a mission. And like, that is the most sacred fucking thing to me. So damn straight. (1:47:05 - 1:47:23) I'm interested in who I am, what I'm capable of, my potential. In fact, I value my potential more than anything else. And all these are keys to unlocking that potential and bringing it as fruits into reality, which then can ultimately be the first form of service to those around me. (1:47:24 - 1:47:43) If you're not living your mission, if you're not living your gift, how can you, how can you call yourself communitarian in any real sense? If you're not living the life that only you were born to live, that's who the communitarian is. That's the person that's doing God's work, becoming who they were born to be, and then offering it to the world. That's so beautiful. (1:47:43 - 1:47:50) Well said. Can I ask you what month are you in 1990? November 22nd. Last day of Scorpio, 29 degrees Scorpio. (1:47:50 - 1:47:54) Oh my God. I love that. Okay, so 29. (1:47:54 - 1:48:02) 29 degrees Scorpio. What is this thing doing? I have one in Scorpio. So it's like, hey, it's like, there's no joke. (1:48:03 - 1:48:14) There's nothing like, tell me. What's your sun and sun, sun sign? I'm a Taurus. 27th of April, my ascendance Aquarius and my moon is Scorpio. (1:48:14 - 1:48:20) So I had a lot of fixed stuff. I was radically like, it's my way or the fucking highway. That was me. (1:48:20 - 1:48:41) And through the last years, I've been kind of understanding that there are things that are moving, that there's a progress chart, that there are things that I can, like for instance, 2020 showed me when I moved to Miami, that perspectives can change. And that's when I realized that I had been living in woke land. Because when I was in New York, I didn't even know that was woke. (1:48:42 - 1:48:57) Not that I was aligned with that, but I just like, I moved to the tropics and I was like, wow, this is different. And that's when I started opening up, opening up, opening up. So even, and there's one thing I'm saying, I'm writing right now in my second book, I'm writing a lot about vibration and movement. (1:48:57 - 1:49:07) If you don't move, you stagnate. Energy stagnates. So the most important, like if you're a person that is doing a lot of sports, maybe you need to sit down for a bit. (1:49:07 - 1:49:16) But if you're like a couch potato, like I can be a matura. So I'm like all about comfort. I have to, in the morning go like, yo, are we going to go out? And yeah. (1:49:16 - 1:49:24) And no, we go now. Like I have to push myself to get on that bike and start riding my bike. Because if it was to me, I prepare my setup. (1:49:25 - 1:49:36) So I have everything I need. That's a tour. So it's understanding what is the opposite energy or even the quarter squares that are going to initiate that evolution. (1:49:37 - 1:49:39) So that's how I work. It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. (1:49:40 - 1:49:49) I love it, Monica. I'm a Gemini sun, Leo moon, Libra rising. Wait, wait, wait, you're a Gemini and what else? Gemini sun, Leo moon, Libra rising. (1:49:50 - 1:49:58) Oh, okay. I like that one. Yeah, no one asked, but I'm a Pisces rising Capricorn moon. (1:50:01 - 1:50:04) I like it. I like the moon there. Capricorn moon. (1:50:04 - 1:50:16) It's good. Myself nowadays, I'm Capricorn. So I come from lives of like understanding discipline, understanding rigidity and understanding structure, some very structure. (1:50:16 - 1:50:26) But this life I'm here to actually have fun and connect to my heart. And finally, I'm connected to my heart through courage, not through like that. So it's beautiful. (1:50:27 - 1:50:39) I think next time we chat, let's just dissect every aspect of the three of those charts and just talk about how amazing we are. Okay, but we can do this is what I do. I do composite charts and I find out the reason. (1:50:40 - 1:50:58) Like, for instance, if we do both of your charts, what's the reason? Can we send you both our charts after this podcast? Yes, yes, yes. And then find out what is the real cause of your relationship. Like, what is this relationship? What is this like all the projects that you do? This is the relationship and then the progression. (1:50:59 - 1:51:03) This is so beautiful that I'm always recording this. Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. That'd be cool. (1:51:04 - 1:51:15) Awesome. Well, real quickly, how can people like find more of your work? And like, I don't know, like what do you have available at the moment? Like, where do you want to direct the audience? Basically, everywhere. Everywhere. (1:51:17 - 1:51:34) I'm ambitious. No, first of all, be yourself. When you're yourself and you want to know more about yourself and you want to get a reading, you can get, you can go, you know, you can go to my subset blog spot that is called monicabravo.blog. I can send you some links and that's everything. (1:51:34 - 1:51:40) You can book me or you can buy my book. You can read my stuff. You can listen to me in other podcasts. (1:51:41 - 1:51:45) So that's where everything is. And then my artwork is there. Everything is there. (1:51:45 - 1:51:52) Great, great. Yeah, send us that link and maybe we have it, but send it to us and then we'll have that in the show notes. And yeah, I'm just, I love this. (1:51:52 - 1:52:02) I love this too. This feels like this meant to happen, don't you reckon? Yeah, definitely. And then when we will meet and I will realize that you guys exist because we don't know if this is a projection. (1:52:03 - 1:52:08) That's right. We're just holograms mirroring back to you. Like in the hologram of life. (1:52:08 - 1:52:14) But no, I love it. I love it. I actually told Mark last week in my meeting, I said, guess what? I did. (1:52:14 - 1:52:20) And he was like, you didn't. And I'm like, I did. And he says, I'm excited for you because we're working together. (1:52:20 - 1:52:27) So I love Mark so much. And several months ago. What do you say? You're welcome. (1:52:27 - 1:52:32) Oh, yeah. I mean, we're going to play that game, dude. Let's play that game. (1:52:35 - 1:52:40) Yeah, no, he banned Mark. I think it was through Bernard. Was it Bernard and Laura? Laura, Laura. (1:52:40 - 1:52:44) Laura Matsu studied in the mark. I'm pretty sure. And then I came across Mark. (1:52:44 - 1:52:51) Then I had a reading with Mark. Then I was like, he needs to be on the podcast. I'm going to share something. (1:52:52 - 1:52:59) I had a reading with him last year. And because I've been doing my chart for a long time. So my reading was always like, oh, I know me this and this and that. (1:52:59 - 1:53:20) And then he asked me that last question. I have just one question for you. And I'm like, oh, because I know he's going to go since you didn't speak in your in the reading, anything about wanting to be together with somebody again, intimately, because I had I divorced and I haven't had a relationship since voluntarily because I needed to understand what love was. (1:53:20 - 1:53:35) I did not know because my chart, I'm all about like merging and then not having boundaries. So I said, God, I said, you're really good because he spotted his spot where I was not true or open. So he said, when you're ready, if you're ready, we can work together. (1:53:35 - 1:53:44) And I'm like, I have to think about this because this is opening Pandora's box. This is like. So three months later, I'm like, I think I'm ready. (1:53:44 - 1:54:00) So we've been working and it's been amazing, amazing because I've been taking a lot of time to to really understand many things that they have been there. But I didn't want to deal with them unless I have somebody that I can integrate it with. Because I think this is it. (1:54:00 - 1:54:05) I mean, I have not done psychedelics. I don't think I ever going to do that. That thing not because it's good or bad. (1:54:05 - 1:54:11) It's just I find another way to integrate my own psyche. And it's through this kind of conversations. Yeah. (1:54:11 - 1:54:16) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that episode of Mark Jones, for those that want to listen, it's 217. (1:54:17 - 1:54:28) That's one of my favorite conversations. It's just yeah. And like astrology readings with Mark is so interesting, aren't they? It's like just a conversation with like, you know, a friend that knows you yet, you know, is trying to prod things out of you. (1:54:29 - 1:54:35) I don't think we talked that much about my chart. Like we talked a little bit about it and then I had other things I wanted to talk about. And then he brought some other stuff in. (1:54:35 - 1:54:39) But it's just really nice, really nice. Especially at that point in my life. I'd taken a break from like working with someone. (1:54:40 - 1:54:52) I was just focusing on their stuff. So just to have someone there to like mirror back and to hold space and a man to do that to like, yes, yes, who I really respect and value was really, really cool. Yeah, he's great. (1:54:52 - 1:54:59) I think that it's all working out right now. There are incredible people out there that are supporting. I love what you guys do. (1:54:59 - 1:55:06) And eventually I will kind of be more closer to be ready to be in community. That's why I answered to you in the first email or no. That's it. (1:55:06 - 1:55:21) I'm not ready right now because I'm working on who I am still like and I run away from communities because I just don't have boundaries. And so it's part of my thing. But anyway, I think it's tremendous work that you guys are doing. (1:55:21 - 1:55:27) Thank you. And whenever you're ready, we'll welcome you into friends of the truth. But like because it's true, like we have these online connections. (1:55:27 - 1:55:40) But one of my favorite things is that like we meet each other at events and we see each other in person. And there's nothing better than that. There's nothing better than hugging someone that you've known online for a couple of years and then really being in their presence and their essence. (1:55:41 - 1:55:48) Maybe I'll look forward the next time you do something in person and I'll just fly wherever you guys are just to get a hug. Cool, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. (1:55:48 - 1:55:53) Well, that was our story. You know, we worked online for two years without ever meeting each other. And then. (1:55:54 - 1:55:58) And then you finally ran. Yeah, we finally met here in Mexico. Yeah. (1:55:59 - 1:56:10) That's amazing. He was just he was just a square on my computer for two years. Yeah, I joke because a lot of the people that I met that are in my life right now have not met or I'd recently met. (1:56:10 - 1:56:25) And so that the question I always do is like, let me see your feet to see if you're like, because I don't believe that you have legs. That's hilarious. And then because I'm so petite, I always go like, oh, my God, you're so big. (1:56:25 - 1:56:35) Let me see your profile because we never see the profiles. So when I meet, I'm like, oh, like, oh, you look like that because it's always this. Yeah, it's interesting. (1:56:35 - 1:56:45) It's interesting. And I'm starting to meet people more and more kind of going out. And I think it's in online communities have been very strong. (1:56:45 - 1:56:51) And this is a gift from, you know, the whatever happened on 2020. Yeah, just to make the best out of it. Yeah. (1:56:52 - 1:56:56) Winnika, appreciate you so much. Thank you for your time. It's been a pleasure getting to know you. (1:56:57 - 1:57:01) And yeah, we'll see you next time. And we'll see everyone else next time as well. Take care. (1:57:02 - 1:57:04) Yes, thank you. Thank you. Have a great afternoon. (1:57:04 - 1:57:24) Bye-bye. What an awesome conversation that just was classic, classic here for the truth, right there, you know, just the free flowing dialogue, getting to wrap on, you know, a bunch of these topics, which normally wouldn't really intersect, but they intersected here. And yeah, man, I just love everything that she's about. (1:57:24 - 1:57:30) Yeah, I do too. She's awesome. Obviously, you know, I have a soft spot for people talking about Greece and their love for Greece. (1:57:30 - 1:57:36) So that was also a highlight. Even though she prefers Arabic food. Well, I mean, she kind of, you know, I think she's an emotional authority. (1:57:36 - 1:57:43) So she said that real quickly. And then she kind of had to like, maybe take some time to really think about it. So we'll ask her tomorrow and see what her final answer is. (1:57:46 - 1:58:03) But yeah, it was great. I mean, again, like all the different topics, how they weave together, her passion and, you know, desire to live as someone who goes against the status quo, you know, embodying that manifest nature and human design as well. And I just loved it. (1:58:03 - 1:58:06) I loved the conversation. It was very inspiring to me. Yeah, for sure. (1:58:07 - 1:58:23) Thank you guys so much for being here. 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