Grant Eagles Becoming Your Own Shaman & Deeper Perspectives

[Speaker 3] (0:00 - 0:04) All right, we'll have a competition who can say the more, say the word fuck most. [Speaker 1] (0:05 - 0:05) All right. [Speaker 2] (0:19 - 1:15) Everybody welcome back to here for the truth. This is episode nine, and this is an episode that I've been looking forward to, we have grant eagles in the house. Little bit about grants. Grant eagles is a mentor wise counsel advisor and mystic. Since stepping forth from his vision quest of the thousands shades of gray and the crossroads, he has devoted his time to sharing his perspective on current events, modern day mysticism philosophy empowered action and self mastery, as we individually action our innate human potential in each perchance moment of now. He collaborates and co creates with the revolutionaries of tomorrow, the conscience conscious entrepreneurs, the social innovators, the way showers and the storytellers of the dreaming landscapes of paths once walked, and the journeys that are imagined ahead. Grant, welcome to here for the truth brother. [Speaker 1] (1:16 - 1:19) Don't on legends How are we very very very good. [Speaker 3] (1:19 - 1:22) We're just living that legend life man you know. [Speaker 1] (1:23 - 1:26) Yeah, represent. Yeah, exactly. [Speaker 2] (1:27 - 2:09) That's quickly grant grant someone that I would consider certainly a mentor and has helped me on a couple of occasions to go a little bit deeper with some things that you know I mean, we're out of my vision at the time grants been on dropping some Facebook lives for the past year and a half in the midst of the chaos, and has been a consistent grounded and strong voice through it all. You mean helping keep keeping those listeners censored and grounded empowered and able to position themselves accordingly. So man just want to really thank you for that and shout out the work that you have done and have been doing for the community and in service so thank you. [Speaker 1] (2:10 - 3:21) Thanks bro. Yeah man beautiful words my humbling. You know, in the bio mate like I've been been in the Dante's Inferno in the caves and going to the crossroads and returning without without anything in hand and just before COVID hit, you know was expecting something didn't know it was going to be the virus and then, you know, being, you know, into the psychology realms and all the rest of it, you can't yell and scream people don't don't get anything and they're not going to be able to see the deeper pitches, but, you know, you know yourself as well when you're and you can just get that one degree of separation to see the perspective to be able to see through it without having the attachments to it that's where one's path really unfolds into the next step. And, you know, that's that's for me what I feel is the service work to be able to do now and utilize that there is the rock to be able to, you know, get people to sharpen up their own sword with being their spoken words, but also their side as well. [Speaker 2] (3:22 - 3:54) Definitely man because it's so easy to get lost in in the chaos and in the psychic driving that is continual and this is this is on both sides of the coin whether you understand the truth of the matter or not. It's drawing you in on some level, right? So how do you how do you how do you step beyond that and see the bigger picture? But before we get to that man, I'd love to know your story your journey where it starts. How did you begin to see things a little bit differently and step into your innate knowing? [Speaker 1] (3:55 - 3:58) Oh, fuck bro. What do we got two hours? It's a load of questions. [Speaker 3] (3:58 - 4:03) I mean, we could probably we could probably make this a seven hour episode. I mean, we'll see what happens. [Speaker 1] (4:03 - 4:36) Yeah, man. Like, yeah, we can talk that many rabbit holes like I'll do the old, you know, long story short and add some add some side paths to that. Good. Yeah, obviously early on, you know, my parents were young. So, you know, it was a little bit of a different upbringing and stuff where, you know, I was able to be a bit more adventurous and all the rest of it. Then I got to high school. And yeah, that was a shit show. Like I spent more time in the corridor than what I did in class and all the rest of that stuff. [Speaker 2] (4:38 - 4:38) Yep. [Speaker 1] (4:39 - 13:51) Yeah. And, you know, sport was still a huge part of my life then. And, you know, go through the ups and downs, you know, become an everyday dope smoker by the time I was like 16 and all the rest of that. But suppose I at school, I was a terrible student, but, you know, like many of us, you know, had had deeper questions about things. But it wasn't until I think I was I was 19 at the time and I was going nowhere. Like I had all the talent in the world, just wasn't using it all that well. And I was lucky enough that, you know, my first mentor kind of pulled me aside and, you know, he was ex-military and I haven't copped this. I'd never copped a serve like that in my life. Yeah. Like he ripped shreds off me and there was that fuck you attitude in me always. But his words, the way that he fucking like spoke through me, he was 100% correct. And I didn't have an argument to come back, you know, and I was always a smartass. I'm like, there's nothing that I can debate this man about. And being a big figure, just the way that he spoke, I was like, okay. And he gave me an opportunity, mate. You know, my first job. And that's where it kind of all started to click into place. Like, yeah, I was still getting out on the gear and all the rest of that. But from there, you know, by the time I was what, 20, I think 25, obviously changed jobs. You know, I was managing a national business unit and a whole bunch of other stuff. And then I really went deep into personal development. Like I would have dropped easy, you know, over 100K, you know, done all the Robin Sings and all the rest of that type of stuff. But at the same time too, it was more appeasing of me just shaping my character and I wouldn't say getting rid of the bullshit, but just sharpening the edges up of who I thought I was. And I'd always had a drive more towards the deeper mysticism of things. Like very early on, you know, both my mum and dad very much into ancient Egypt. And, you know, my mum's a bit of a Jippo, so to speak, witchy poo. And my dad was always a good thinker. So, you know, a movie that, you know, I still love today is Dancing with Wolves and being exposed to that at a very early age and, you know, just the Native American culture and all the rest of that, like always had an epiphany with that. And then it got to a point where I was like, okay, where's the next step? And once again, I was lucky enough to bump in. This gentleman wasn't a mentor, but I just looked at him and I was like, fucking this dude's got a whole nother vibe going. You know, when you meet those people, it's like, okay, I want to know. And I reckon for about an hour and a half, I just like studied this man, you know, the way that he was speaking, very eloquent. I was like, this dude has to be a spy or some shit. How do you engage a whole room? Like, well, he's doing his fucking magic. And I had a chat to him and he was a Rosicrucian. And being a Rosicrucian, I think for 15 years at that stage, what I know now is obviously he's into a whole heap of other things, but then that's kind of got me into some Manly P. Hall side of things. And this is before YouTube as well, guys. So it was a lot more, you know, back in the blog days and all the rest of that. And then it just dawned on me of like, well, okay, I've really got to take my first step here. So I walked into the Grand Lodge in Victoria and joined Freemasonry and then, you know, went through that process as well. But that's where things really started to unfold with, I was living almost a triple life, like to my mates and all the rest of it. They had no real idea what I was doing on a work stage. Like, you know, my phone would ring at 11 o'clock at night, say the 24-7 operation. I'd be half pissed and on the gear, and then I'd get on the phone and I'm fucking organising shit in WA or shit hits the fan in Queensland. And they're like, just turn your phone off, mate. It's like, mate, you got no idea, mate. Like, you go to work at nine o'clock off at five, like I'm still fucking running things here. And then on the other side of things, you know, I meet with some Masonic Brothers and even Dale Holyhouse people. And then I joined the Rosicrucians as well. And so they all knew me and I had all these different characters. And then it got to a point where I was a workaholic and then I was in the Sydney Qantas Lounge and I was hungover like fuck, like bad, and I just wanted to get home. And then I walked into the Qantas Club and there was, once again, like I know his name, I won't give him away, a merchant banker. And I'm looking at it and he's got the watch that I wanted, like it was fucking like an 80 grand tag. You are, you know, first thing you see the watch, you're like, I am. I walk over and I point at the crown largas and he's like, go and have a chat to him. And the speech that he gave me was, I'd thought about it, but hadn't really gotten to that conclusion in myself, like where he was in life was what I was really wanting to be. And he turned around to me and at that stage he was 42 and he said, mate, I'm chasing a ghost. And I was like, what do you mean? He goes, well, I've been doing everything and all the rest of that type of stuff. He goes, I'm 42 now. He goes, I've got two failed marriages. My first marriage, my kids hate me. He goes, they only, you know, They don't want to communicate with me when they, they need new flash things. You know, my, my marriage that I'm in now, isn't all that great either. And I've gone too far into this and created a monster, so to speak. Like I can't just stop what I'm doing and change because it's just, you know, my parents rely on me, like, you know, with money comes extra responsibilities and all the rest of it. And then that's when I dropped the question to him and what, well, if you could, man, what, what is it would you, would you do? And he turned around to me, he goes, mate, to be honest with you, he goes, I'd fuck off to India and hop in a Hopi, Opium den for about two months. And I was like, well, you've been on the hammer before, mate. He goes, nah, dude. He goes, I need to go and fucking confront the demons. You know, like I've created a lot and I've, I've separated from who I originally was when I started this journey. He goes, and that's why I'm saying to you, I'm chasing a ghost. And I was like, all right. And then funny enough about, I think it was about a month after that. Boom. I just started having this fucking recurring dream. And by this stage, I was a master Mason. This room that you're in now, I started to transform into a bit of a meditation place and all the rest of that stuff. That's what I mean, living this double life, but the same dream kept on appearing. Yeah. The exact same wasn't every night. It was maybe what once, once a fortnight at the start, but it was the same places, the same things, the same, let's say beings in it. And then it just got to a point where. I was looking at my reality and it was like, I was playing grand theft auto, you know, like everything was on autopilot and I was sitting there thinking that I'm running the show had a really shit day with work. And then I was walking to pass. I was walking past flight center and I'd done the old Aussie mentality of like, fuck it. Well, this is the moment. I walked in there and booked a one-way ticket to Peru. I hadn't, I hadn't organized anything and it was like, okay, cool. But we're doing this. Everyone thought I lost my mind. They're like, they're like fucking what I'm like. Yeah, I'm done. And they're like, dude, like the money I was on, you know, the status that I'd got and all the rest of that type of stuff. And it wasn't that I wasn't happy. It just, I'd got to that point where I was what I was 26 at that stage. And I was looking at so-called my so-called list of achievements. And none of them really were there as like ticking a box of anything. The ones that were pulling more out of me was the unknown, you know, the, the mystery of things. And then I started to be really consumed by that. And then once I booked that ticket, That's when all my dry Iowasca decided to appear to me once again in a dream and was like, come sweet. Let's do this. So I booked the Iowasca retreat. What year was this? [Speaker 3] (13:51 - 13:52) I'm curious. [Speaker 1] (13:52 - 13:55) This was in the beginning of 2012. [Speaker 3] (13:55 - 14:05) Okay. I went to Peru in 2008 and 2009. So I was curious. So the timeline was, yeah, I just said, fuck it. And I bounced up for a year and traveled. So cool. [Speaker 1] (14:06 - 16:54) Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Epic place over there. So yeah, organized the retreat. And then I didn't know what, what was really in store for me. I was fucking not even prepared. Really. I thought I was, you know, being that age, you have a little bit of a, you know, bravado ego. But my thing was, was I was going to go over there and have my last ride on drugs. That was going to be my last ride. And I did. And yeah, that, that turned. How I didn't end up dead is beyond me. But you know, over there when you're getting coke chalk sticks for like fucking 40 U.S. and I was cashed up too. So I was like, how many you got? This bloke pulls out 10. I'm like, yeah, fucking no dramas, man. You know, like we're on, you know, go into a nightclub and there's fucking blokes racking up lines there. And, you know, I'm used to kind of the Aussie cake over here, which isn't all that great. So here I am. And I'm a bit of a bait too. So here I am, I can just, just give a fuck. And you know, that turned into a three-day bender. I kind of come to in some fucking ghetto and there was a cop there and yelling and screaming at me in fucking Spanish. I couldn't understand a word. And, you know, they're carrying semi semi-automatic rifles. I'm just, I can just turn into a shit show. Really. It was hilarious. And then three days later, I'm into an Ayahuasca retreat, still feeling, still feeling sorry for myself. Wow. Yeah. And then done that, obviously that, that experience there kind of, you know, speaks for itself. But after that retreat, I done a, I done a, you know, kind of mini dieta cleanse after that. And that really there was kind of that, that anchoring point, but getting back to it, when I first got to Cusco, there was a first time in my life that I actually felt like I was home. Like it was really bizarre, you know, like I was there and I'm like, I've fucking been here before. Like it was just innate in me. And rather than going into the mind about it and all the rest of us, like, cool, let's just do this. And then after the retreat, I went back into Cusco and just played around. And if anybody's listening and you go to Cusco, just be careful how much money that you give the kids and stuff. But they must've all gone around and told me, oh yeah, there's this fucking Aussie guy who wears this. Because basically as soon as I walked out of my hotel, cause I didn't do the hostility, like I'm, you know, I was all class as soon as I walk out of the hotel, man, there's fucking 30 kids there. So I just, you know, It's like that scene, you know, sitting there fucking thinking I'm top shit. [Speaker 3] (16:55 - 17:08) Did you ever see that scene in dumb and dumber? You ever see the movie dumb and dumber where he's an aspirin and he just, they get that money and he just walks out of the hotel and he says, and for you and you, and you just pass it along. That's what I was doing with the kids. [Speaker 1] (17:08 - 22:34) You know, like that's what I was doing with the kids. Like, you know, I was doing dollar bills. So I was sitting there thinking I fucking here I am, but I just wanted to do that. And then I put a bit of a call out because I knew that I needed a shaman to do what I needed to do. And in this dream was very specific sites. I had no fucking idea what I was in for. And then, you know, I suppose I interviewed a couple and then this, this one, one fellow walks in many is his name. And he reminded me a bit, like myself, you know, he wasn't dressed in the shaman gear or anything like that, but he just like this amulet that he had on and, you know, just, he just had the right things. And I didn't advertise my name being eagles. And he walks in and he's like, okay, Eagle, when do we start? And I was like, fuck it. How much you want champ? You were, we're on here. And then I sat down with him over dinner and just explained to him, you know, not much about my life. Yeah. I didn't, didn't really want to do that. It was mainly just about these things here. And I said to him what I wanted to do. And he's like, yeah, no problem. And he goes, we leave, we leave in two days. And he goes, he just started laughing at me. He like, you have no, no real idea what you're in for there. I'm like, no, but I'm up for it, dude. Don't worry about that. So anyway, I went, started to go to all the different sites and all the rest of that kind of doing my own ceremonies there and all the rest of it. You know, each side I went to that night I was, you know, dreaming there, but the dreams had started to shift where I was seeing myself basically from the eyes of the beholder. I was there and I was, you know, almost like, like a computer program. Yeah. Just like typing new data and stuff like that into me. It's like, oh yeah, this is pretty cool. You know, this is, this is next level shit. I can don't need to have psychedelics, have these types of things. And then we got to more and more, which if you just type in Peruvian Stargate, you'll see it. And then yeah, that, that was, that was next level because when I got there and I seen that guy and I was like, once again, I was like, I've been here before, but it wasn't until I climbed up on the rocks and I was looking out to where the Lake Titicaca is. Yeah. I started to get really giddy and dizzy. You know, I had to fucking just lie down for like five minutes and I'm up there on this rock. And I started shaking. I'm like, fucking, this bloke doesn't know where I am, but I can, am I having, you know, what's going on here? The fear started to come in and, you know, obviously my drug days I'd been able to work through that. So I did. When I was able to look at the Lake Titicaca, I was like, fuck, there's, there's a whole heap of other things that are going on here that are well outside my periphery of even understanding. And then I heard this voice, had no idea, no idea what the language was. And I'm like, okay, cool. And then went to Coco Cabana across the border. And then, you know, obviously once doing it in style, I went and hide the whole boat, just the boat to myself. And then first we went to Island of the Sun and Manny's there. And I'm like a kid on the boat, like, you know, thinking of fucking pop shit. Like, yeah, this is the life. We can get used to doing it. Like you, mate, you, you were there for a year. I'm like, yeah, I was looking at me bank account going just, I reckon I'm just going to ring me mom and go, yeah, mom, sell me golf clubs, sell them to me. Nah, just sell them shit. Send me the cash. I'm fucking not coming home. I'm done. Well, this is, this is, this is paradise. I agree. Like I can be like a fucking kid, no problem. And then get to Island of the Sun, he's laughing at me. He's like, you got no idea. And I walk up to, you know, where the main rock of Lake Titicaca is and there's this, like stone table and there's, you know, Shaman there, elders, you know, wisdom keepers. And, you know, I've brought a whole heap of stuff for ceremony and gifting, you know, like I, you know, I was very well prepared and I walk up and same, same shit. This, this dude who didn't really understand much English just turns, turns around to me and says, he just, just had this smile, like one tooth. Yeah. Like I'll make chopper. He smiles at me and he calls me Eagle. He goes Eagle welcome. I'm like, oh yeah, cool. And I'm sitting there thinking, oh yeah, I'll make many years kind of, you know, had a chat to him and all the rest of it. And I do this ceremony and stuff and he, I don't know what it was, what type of thing it was, but he just blew right, right on there. And I felt my spine and it started and I was essentially in a lucid experience for a little bit. And then the rock was like, it was a good 15 meters away from me, but it was almost like a meter away from me. And before I knew it, I was at the rock. I had my hands on it. And then boom, like, it was like a, a fucking computer screen opened up and I'm inside my head. And there's this feathered serpent fucking being just almost giving me like chunks of data into my brain. And it felt, it felt like something out of the matrix with me. I like, it was, wow, this shit's good. [Speaker 3] (22:34 - 22:38) And then after that, Kung Fu you were like, I know Kung Fu. [Speaker 1] (22:38 - 32:14) Yeah. It was basically, it was similar like that way. And I couldn't really, I didn't know. And I'll get into that. Like I didn't know at that point what was really going on until about a year later. And then from there, like done what I needed to do there and how to play around and, you know, they all thought I was fucking hilarious. They were like, yeah, skippy. Like, yeah. You know, but before I left, old mate there comes over to me and puts his hand on my hand on my heart and says, I, I, I admire your, your, your courage, but you are completely unprepared. So just, just be cautious. I'm like, Hey man, I'm used to hearing that shit. Don't worry, man. I'm like the dude who falls off the top of the Empire state building or landing, landing a truck of feathers. You know, I've got this. And then from there we get to all of them all under the moon and I pull up there and Matt and Maddie was pretty furious at me. Just, you know, like I was just acting out, you know, and it was funny enough because I actually felt like I was back when I was like 13, like 12, 13, where, you know, that rebellious nature started to come through and, and he was sitting there trying to speak to me. I couldn't hear him. And, you know, I'm more worried about just how good is this? And you know, dadada, dadada, dadada, we get to the moon, to the island of the moon and I go to walk off the boat and this bloke, who's like five foot buck or who's driving the boat, puts his hand out, touches me just like gently. And I get back about a meter and he turns around to me like he hadn't, he turns around and he goes, you need to wait, you need to stop and you need to shut up. And I was like, all right, I can listen to that. And these two, two ladies come down that are like, once again, five foot nothing. And, you know, other tourists jump on this, on this boat and they're there. And I looked at one of them and the smile that she gave me just, just opened my heart a little bit. And that was the main reason for what really got me into, you know, mysticism and stuff like that as well, which is, I went, you know, my grandfather passed away and, you know, I loved him. And at his funeral, like I had no emotion, you know, like I had compassion and there was no real emotion there. And I thought, fuck, I gotta sort this out. And just as I'm about to put my foot on outside the boat, like I kind of feel him and I see him and then he's kind of there. And then I see him kind of behind this, behind this woman. And I took one step onto the land. That was it, mate. I was fucking shaken and, oh, it was like, yeah, it was craziness. And this lady picks me up on her back and kind of drags me to like this area. You know, it was almost like a scene out of a Wolf of Wall Street when he's on the lemons, you know, like, I was essentially just retarded, but I was like Zen in my body. It was really strange, beautiful as well. And then there's Simon Ingaros to me and all the rest of it. And when I got up, yeah, everything looked a lot crisper. I couldn't understand anything that they were saying because I didn't bother learning Spanish. And then Manny came over and Manny came over and he was walking almost like an old school Chinese man, you know, hands behind his back, very disciplined and he's walking. He comes over to me and he goes, do you see now? And I had to just stop for a moment because my smart ass reaction or me needing to be reactive, I've kind of caught myself. And that was the first moment of, you know, what we class as kind of inner standing, like there was another voice that I was touching with when I was drinking the ayahuasca that was like, not so much now is the time, but, you know, can you see, you know, can you hear? And then that's when, you know, shit really started to get real. Wasn't so much of, you know, seeing spirits and all the rest of it, but I could sense them. I could sense the communion. I could sense the fire that was taking place not too far around me and dancing, you know, all of these different things, even though I could not see and I could understand and really feel what was going on. And I was like, okay. Then that was from that moment as well, where once again, it was like, okay, cool. You know, the next stop after that was we're going to Machu Picchu. And once again, the lady's there, and she turned around to me and she goes, when you go to Machu Picchu, you need to go spend time at the Temple of the Condor. Cool, got it. So I get to Machu Picchu, do all the things. And here we go again in fucking grand stories. Is you pay for a ticket. I paid for a ticket, went up there, you know, I walked around and sat at the Temple of Condor and all the rest of it. And there was just something missing. Like I hadn't done something that I was supposed to do to activate things or whatever like that. And I go down, back down to the town, because I decided to stay there for a week. And then there's this local dude and I just see him and he's, you know, and he looks tired. I'm like, mate, you want a drink or something to eat? And he's like, yeah, I'd love one. I'm like, cool, you know, sit down. And he tells me about this kind of jungle path to climb up the side of the mountain and all the rest of it. I'm like, fuck, I'm in for an Indiana Jones expedition. Well, here I am trying to write down these things and all the rest of it. Once again, completely unprepared. I'm up in the morning. Yep, no problem. You know, where's Manny? I don't know where he's gone. So here I am. I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. And then I decided to go on this fucking jungle path. And here I am climbing, you know, fucking through this river that's fucking flowing. I'm like, fucking, you know, and I'll climb up half this mountain. I looked down and I'm like, no one knows where I am. It's like, if I fuck up here, it's game over. And then it's like, yeah, whatever. You know, anyway, I get up there. And funny enough, here's Manny sitting at the fucking Temple of the Condor, just looking over and he's like, oh, glad you could make it this afternoon. And I'm like, no shit, dude. Yeah, no shit. And that's when my mind started to like, hang on, there's a whole fucking other thing going on here of what's going on. And there was that part of me that's like, how did you know? And all the rest of it, it's like, no, he knew and you knew and that's it. And I just sat there at this Temple of the Condor and it was bizarre because there was lots of tourists and stuff like that around. It's like, they couldn't see me. Like, I was actually sitting on the rock and the people who walk around Machu Picchu, they kept on coming over to me, oh, you can't sit on that rock. And I'm like, well, it needs to happen. So unless you want to pick me up and take me out, I'm not kind of moving. I'm not doing anything here. So yeah, that was really bizarre. And it wasn't until later on, like probably about a year later that everything kind of come to, and I missed the part out there where I was in Bolivia, usually like this story in Bolivia at Tiwanaku. And there's a sun gate there and I'm there and I've got my backpacks full of fucking, all the gear, once again, all the gear, you have no idea, you know, like, here I am, my fucking Aussie gringo. And just so everybody can hear as well, yeah, I wasn't dressed up in my shaman gear. I was rocking the Adidas tracksuit guys. And, you know, I was wearing a bit of a poncho and all that type of stuff, but I was still keeping it real. And there's this like kind of square spot where you could see that they do ceremony in that. And I'm at this guy and I can, I'm looking at the gate and I could see this mirage at the gate. And then it's like, I've got to walk through this fucking thing. And I'm looking around and there's people with, you know, fucking machine guns and shit. I'm like, all right, how am I going to do this? And it's like, you need to light a fire. And I'm like, fuck, how am I going to light a fire? And I'm looking at my backpack, I'm like, hey, I'll just buy a new one. So here I am, I'm like, all right, get a fire going and light that fire pit there. And that starts to fucking go. And here I am and it's chained around and I'm like, you got to run through it, you know, sitting there and lining it up anyway. I jump this little iron fence and I stand in the middle of it, do me a little zzzz and walk through the other side. And then the security guy comes running over, I'm going off tap in Spanish. And I've done this through COVID as well, is kind of just act a little bit slow. Pardon. Days in there thinking, oh, here we go, we've got one of these fucking crazy white fellas going on in. Well, my bag's up in smoke. Lucky I didn't have my passport in there, that's for sure. [Speaker 3] (32:15 - 32:19) Wait, real quickly, did you lit it on fire as a distraction? Is it, what was it for? [Speaker 1] (32:19 - 32:25) No, mate, I just had this thing, like you need to have a fire going before you walk in these fucking things. [Speaker 3] (32:25 - 32:25) Oh, okay. [Speaker 1] (32:26 - 36:47) All right, well, fucking so be it, you know? And this is what I do with my mentees and stuff as well. Then people that are out there listening, if you have those moments, like you've got to rub with it. Like they are permission slips to see, like you've got a moment in time to be able to activate or really move into the seen and unseen and be the bridge between those worlds. And that was another one of those moments because I had consistently, you know, those perchance moments and all of them sounded a bit bizarre, but I took every single one of them and being like, well, here it is, let's kind of just run with it. You know, Marchepichu. And then from there, I decided to book in another ayahuasca retreat. And that was very beautiful, you know, just brought a lot of things together. And I was planning on staying over there for another like four or five months. And I woke up one morning and it's like, it's time to go home now. I'm like, okay, cool. You know, I said my goodbyes and, you know, a lot of love. And yeah, I come home and yeah, it was breathtaking. But then that's what really started to uncover, which is probably, you know, the most crazy part of the story, which was, I kind of gave myself six months. I was like, look, let's like go full ball into this for six months. Yeah. Like I didn't want to read kind of new cages about astral projection and like all the rest of that stuff. I was like, you know, I'd done the work with masonry and with the rosies and all the rest of that. So, you know, I knew the foundations and the practical application from the mentalism and the lower kingdom and the middle kingdom getting those things right, to be able to have those types of experiences. And with what I'd just been through in Peru, I knew that that was almost like an email I'd sent in the past to kind of call myself there. You know, I'm like, okay, six months, no problem. So this room that we're in now, you know, I turned this into a full temple space and what turned out to be, oh yeah, let's do this for six months, essentially was, you know, right up until like, you know, the back end of 2011, really. Like I went to the depths of absolutely every possibility that you can fathom. And my process was ticking the box 99 times for the ways that didn't work to discover that one way that works for me, you know, to really bring forth that innate, which was rather frustrating, but it was the path that unfolded for me, that gave me the practical tools of understanding to be where I am today. And it was in the back end of 2013. I'll touch on this a little bit because I don't want it to sound too fucking out there. But I was in here and it got to a point where I was like, look, I'm not moving until, because shit was just getting crazy. Like I had information coming to me that no one was really talking about. And, you know, I was fucking out there and I was like, I need to make sense of this real quick. So I got a shutter installed in here so I can turn the shutter and turn this room into pitch black. Grabbed 20 liters of water and was like, I'm not fucking moving. That's it. This is it. If I'm like fucking fall over and croaky, that's it. I've got this way too much things going on. So I'm in here after about two hours. Oh yeah, let's light some incense. Nah, incense out. So, you know, within the space of about five hours, everything that was in the room ended up in the hallway because it was just distractions. I even moved the water out because it was that part of me like, oh, let's just get water, I'm like, fuck. Then just sat there and went through the depths of absolute fucking hell. Like the silence is deafening when you put yourself into those things. I know Albright Marcus has spoken about it recently in relation to the dark retreat. That's what I did. [Speaker 3] (36:48 - 37:01) And it was- That's what I was gonna ask you if you did like your own dark room. I did, yeah. One of my teachers had done the dark room over at Montag Chia's place in Chiang Mai. I've never done it before though. So I'm curious. [Speaker 1] (37:02 - 39:59) It's intense, dude. It's intense. Yeah, because it was on day two, halfway through day two. Then that's when shit started to get real. That's when my sight just went pop and it was like, I've broken bones before and that's what it felt. That's what it sounded like. It felt like my fucking head just went. And then all of a sudden, I was essentially in, you'd say, almost like an ayahuasca visionary state, but I was able to see the unseen. And it got crazy. My body went into paralysis and many other things. And those places, a lot of people out there, you see at the moment, they're like, oh, I want to turn on my third eye. And it's like, there's a whole heap of other work that needs to be done because if that happens and you don't know how to get through the paralysis or those types of things, you're going to end up in a psych ward. Literally, that is what is going to happen. So I went through that and then that's when I got to meet a future aspect of myself that appeared to me like I'm speaking to you guys in this room, in the corner of the room. And he spoke to me exactly how I kind of is speaking to you guys now. Still the shits and bucks and all the rest of that type of stuff. And I'm kind of just, wouldn't say relate information, but for me, it's never really been about that. It was just some really interesting breadcrumbs to consider. And then I think I walked out it was almost on a week and it took me about three days of just like slowly integrating again. And well, funny story, just for the people out there that do this. I went to the post office and I've got all of these people looking at me. I'm like, what the fuck are these cunts looking at me for, you know? Here I am, I've got a fucking mold of light taped to me head, you know, like big chunk of mold of lights taped to me head. I've got fucking amethyst taped underneath my ear. And here I am, you know, I'd just forgotten all about it. Yeah, that's like an epic. So that's what I mean, you know? And there are these moments that sound really bizarre and crazy, but they were those perchance moments that presented themselves of craziness of what, well, I'm not even gonna try and define meaning of it. There's something else going on here with that, you know? And then that really unfolded into a whole heap of other things. I wasn't, I didn't do any YouTube. I'm really grateful I didn't get out on YouTube and all the rest of it then, because I started channeling things and a whole bunch of other things. And that's what really led me down the rabbit hole of what's really going on with the shit show, yeah. [Speaker 3] (39:59 - 40:21) Okay, cool, right there. But real quickly, I'm curious because just some people watching, you kind of, you know, we're just throwing out Freemasonry and Rosicrucians and there's a lot of people that might not know that. Like, first of all, why would a person like yourself at that point in your life be like, I wanna be a Freemason or I wanna hang out with Rosicrucians? Like, can you talk a little bit about that and what that is and what did you get out of that? [Speaker 1] (40:21 - 43:59) Sure, yeah, man, yeah. I'd met a couple of Freemasons through work, through the job I was doing and all the rest of it. And they all had something there. Like, there was a reverence of, wouldn't say wisdom, but they had a very interesting way of looking at not just life, but reality and all the rest of that stuff. And the people who I was reading at the time all had stemmed from some type of, you can say, secret society, but more to do with, you know, mystery school teachings. And once again, at that time, YouTube wasn't what it was today. And that there was really the progressional path for myself. And probably before joining the Masons is that I had a conversation with a Knights Templar, an amazing man, you know, like amazing. And he presented a very interesting synopsis to me is that every man has a choice, whether they wanna take the first step in actually building the structure that they came here to build. And when I heard that, I really understood the undercurrents of what he was saying. You know, like, and I was like, everything that I've actually created right now has been through, I've mimicked, I've looked at something or I like that, I'll replicate it or, you know, to say, type it in and find out about it and repeat it. I didn't really have the deep understanding of what I have now, which is, you know, we have the capacity to really get through the layers of our own bullshit, the conditioning, and do the things that, no, I wouldn't say we came here to do, but play in the realms of what is only imaginable and through this vessel of being able to make it here manifest. And there's tools to be able to do that. And then that's when I looked at Masonry and was like, okay. And the same as Rosicrucians, a lot more of that to do with mysticism and magic. But I was really intrigued by the science and allegory. And even with Masonry, I wasn't the best Freemason, but what I got out of it was really being able to read science, symbols, and allegory and understand that there is the language upon how this reality actually communicates, not through the spoken word or not through what the eyes see and the ears hear, we perceive to believe. You know, and that wasn't just something that I was able to go, oh yeah, I get it now. You know, it's that path of mastery is being that lifelong apprentice, still learning more and more and more, but by being able to play in those environments and receive and perceive some things that were going on was really quite magical in relation to all of that. So, yeah. [Speaker 2] (43:59 - 44:52) Well, that's the thing, right? Because we so easily correlate occult with evil or bad, right? But occult is just hidden and it's that symbolic literacy, which is lacking at most, right? Because the way the surface culture appears is all designed to keep us in this left brain consciousness, right? Of just data analysis, words, and numbers, right? But beyond that, developing the symbolic literacy to actually open the right brain, which is really just the whole brain consciousness and bring in your imagination and actually really understand what imagination is, is probably the most profound work, in my opinion. So, yeah. Just wanted to throw that in there. [Speaker 1] (44:53 - 47:48) Absolutely, man. And, you know, I'll just add a little bit to that because that's beautiful. We like, everyone likes to break down words, but, you know, imagination, I, magi, meaning a magician in my own nation, therefore reality. I am creating my reality through thy will, yeah? From the most high coming through. And we can see that as more service to others and being present in the now moment of okay, and being able to play of like, do I drop a brick from here? Do I just watch? You know, what are these things? But we have a reality that has the psychic driving in the mind control where a lot of people out there want to get into the occult because of power. They want to use thy will with the lower T and W of utilizing what they want, how they want to manipulate, and these types of things here. You know, and that's for me, that's why I've really spent the time in that thousand shades of gray because it's in that there, you can see through all of it for exactly what it is and no longer needing to consent or give your power away to it. You can see it, that it is a game that people are playing. And is it actually a game that they're playing or is it a game that they're perceiving they're playing with preconceived ideas upon who they actually think they are without going through the path of selfhood and contemplating those bigger questions upon who is the original identity that has no name, that is in stasis streaming itself here across multiple different landscapes in the sands of time. Like, who is that? How do you tap into that? The misconception of it out there is people want to embody that all the time. It's not a reality. What is the reality is opening up the space to have great mystery and my story present itself through the signs, symbols, tokens, and allegories to get into those moments of like, that there is my path. What is that permission slip to show that my commitment of actually signing that contract and that agreement with myself. So that's why I was saying before, I thought I'd drop those things there because as much as they sound bizarre, some others that have gone down a very similar path to me, some of their shit's crazy and people would be like, you're nuts. And it's like, well, it sounds nuts. But at that time, like there was no other choice. Like I got to that perchance moment and it was either, do I want it or not? And then when you get later on down the line, you know that you're playing a big fucking cosmic joke with yourself. It's huge. [Speaker 2] (47:49 - 48:30) That's the thing, man. There's always that underlying oceanic experience you mean, which is really the substance of what this experience is. But tapping into the mystery and tapping into the mythos of what our life actually is, how do you do that? How do you, is the first step to be able to break down the conditioning, those barriers, seeing the mind control and the psychic driving for what it is in your process? Like, is that, would you just call that intuition? Would you call that being able to, you know what I mean? Understand the difference? [Speaker 1] (48:30 - 52:19) Yeah, we can get into that, guys. And chip away at me, because it's what I mean. Like I went through that path of the fucking 99 ways it didn't work. But through that there, it gave me the practice and the foundations to continually find another degree of separation from what I was thinking to see the perspective of like, okay, this is how this would apply to these types of things. And so people out there, you're like, I'm a CR. So I can say, you know, the auras and a whole bunch of other things, you know, and even that there is that's still a complete unknown. Like it has taken me years of sometimes, you know, weeks on end of disciplined practices and craziness to really understand what is being communicated. I don't even think I'm even close to 1% of understanding that I don't think I ever will. But being, following the chance moments when they come and transforming, but transitioning from the belief into knowing is the biggest hurdle to get over. Because once we're there, we don't need to allow the mind to go into its logical analysis of a lunar sat matrix of broadcasting the past into the future to define meaning. We're able to be more of that defined to the first connection, which is of the earth and to the solar locus. And then that thread there of being, I just know now, I don't know how I know, I don't need to know why I know. I just know, therefore I will action coming from thy will and thy will be done. And play those games out accordingly with the principles and the commitment that we have from our heart. And it's not always easy because we live in a reality where the hero always lives long enough to become the villain. And to get to that point and go, this is the height heightened of this experience. And it's my time to get off the train now. We have this codependency upon relationships where we're even struggling to communicate properly to each other because of what has been happening. Everybody takes things personally. And that was a huge part of myself. And it still goes on today. That's why I love my haters because they teach me that right there consistently of not taking things personally. But the moment that you're able to get outside of yourself, that's where you can see things as they are and then give yourself the alchemy of time to go, I don't need to know this right now. This is something I am going to put on my altar and consider the multiple different ways this can be perceived, you know, and be one's own alchemist in relation to those things as well. And utilizing the elemental forces. The one thing I learned the hard way with as well, and I stress this a lot because I see this way too much. And I don't really do that work now, but I did that work for a few years. Like I became the fucking healers going to person with all of the bad stuff, you know, great, great learning curve. But seeing people reciting other people's word magic, other people's spells, you know, like people still playing with the Kabbalah and have no idea that there's a backside to the Kabbalah, you know, that leads into like the fuckery is absolutely genius. [Speaker 2] (52:21 - 52:24) And I don't think- The Kabbalah is the most perverted system. Well, exactly right. [Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:25) You know. [Speaker 2] (52:25 - 52:26) It's a review of the Kabbalah anyway. [Speaker 1] (52:27 - 54:28) Exactly right. I played with that and it wasn't until I got into it, but I wasn't in it to utilize it for power. And that's why I use the terminology, you know, going to the crossroads and coming back empty handed. Like I would continually roll up to those crossroads and see those types of things. But that wasn't my MO. My MO was, well, I have this fucking thing inside of me that wants to see the depths of each genius and its application. And I would show up on the daily and have those, oh, do you want this? Do you want that? You know, not today, Satan kind of talk and being able to go, that wasn't why I came here for. And that's what I mean, to be able to see the fuckery through its exploration. Sure, did I create some karmic shit shows? Absolutely. Did I know that was going to happen? I did on an innate level. Did my personality want to just reject that, thinking that it knows more than what it does? You know, and they're the battles that we have with ourselves as well. So it's a fucking fun game when you're playing with it like that and utilizing that higher mind intelligence that we have that has all of our wisdom and knowledge of the ancestral lineage that we are a part of, but also, you know, we can get into some of the, you know, the galactic coding that we have within us that are turning on now, rather than going into galactic fantastic about it. It's like, well, that's here now as a trinket and that treasure chest for me to open. What are the keys to be able to open that? And it's never been locked. We're playing around with way too many, I want modality this, and we're still playing in the places of I want, rather than I know this already. And what do I need to do to be able to see through that other side? [Speaker 3] (54:28 - 54:35) What do you think has been happening in the last 16 months? What do you think, what's going on? [Speaker 1] (54:36 - 54:55) Oh, wow. Where do we go with that one, mate? We're changing. Yeah, we're changing from a digital interface reality into a quantum. We hear the quantum all the rest of the time, but the AI biometrics side of things is ready to go. Now, if we want to go a little bit deeper into this. [Speaker 3] (54:56 - 55:00) Well, how about this? Start by explaining what AI biometrics is. [Speaker 1] (55:01 - 56:41) Okay, I'll step back one thing and then I'll get into that, okay? We've lived in a reality where covens have been in control from very much backside technology and a whole bunch of other stuff. Grandparents are involved and many other things, but let's just deal with covens. Now, and it has been very much a magical reality where they've done ceremonies and created events to get us coerced and consented into performing their magical rituals, therefore being able to create the shit show that we're in. So as much as everybody's wanting to fight against it, they're actually still consenting and giving their energy away to it that is feeding it without coming back to the original question of it is how many of those ceremonies have we actually participated in without ourselves knowing? And then people get upset, which is rightly so, but I didn't know. And it's like, yeah, well, we kind of did. They broadcast through everywhere, through Hollywood, all the different signs and symbols and all the rest of that type of stuff. It's all there, but now that doesn't really work. So let's create the change over the years where we can make it into an AI, which gets into Red Queen and a few other bits and pieces in relation to that, like Starlink at the moment, Starlink's up and running. So that now gives every single person on the globe access to the internet. And when you understand what the VAX is about, it's an operating system. [Speaker 3] (56:42 - 56:46) Mm, okay. [Speaker 1] (56:47 - 1:01:55) Yeah, and then we hear the agendas of the transhuman side of things. And you have a look at the psychic driving that has been happening since, you know, before the Obama era, but particularly with that, with LGBTQ, that is the pathway for them to bring in the pedophilia and many other different things like that, that we're in such a demoralized state socially and community-wise that nobody can really accept the ideological subversion that has been happening since the 60s, you know, where, what's that? Well, it's worked. Oh, absolutely, you have to marvel at it. You have to marvel at it. If you don't, it is going to continually push you and drive you into a reactive response, therefore unable to see how it is playing you and your own thought process in relation to those things, like the reality of it is we've all been infected with all of it, but therefore we have the power within us to in a stand of actually how we want to play the game, you know, and you see this push at the moment, you just need to have a look at the words, like Delta. Delta is a sleeping state, you know, and those that are driving the, let's lock everything down and all the rest of that again, would be considered those that have a special kind of stupid, so to speak, that are actually sleeping in their own greatness. They won't do that. You know, we're living in a society right now, which is unfortunate. And if I ruffle some feathers here, well, you know, maybe look in the mirror is that intelligence in this society is considered those that watch the Roman, the Caesar's circus of sport and can rattle out who done this and, you know, who won these awards over the period of time and consume all of that knowledge into that. Having a conversation for two or three hours in relation to that, that there is kind of agreed upon that that's a social status. And then if somebody knows more of a, they're a bit more tactitious or they're in the know about those types of things, that there is regarded as some type of intelligence or some type of communication, or even some type of debate. If someone is on a different team that instills that mindset of it's my team win or lose, you know, and it's been great since the seventies worldwide with sport and all the rest of it, which is a huge part in all of this to create the ideological subversion of my team win or lose and the egotistic understanding of people think they know things, but they don't. They have no real comprehension upon, like it was Bill Cooper that said this, you know, when 150 people that can meet in secret and govern the lives of 7 billion people and nobody knows about that, but a football player has a night on the piss and fucks up. It's on front page news for a week. There's a reason for that. Yeah, and that there is a talking point, but if you actually speak about something that has something to do with longer term vision than two weeks, the mind control is that great that people will not accept it at all. You know, we are living in a fishbowl mentality of week to week, week to week, week to week. And we've been saying that for the last 17 months. Like it's been great. I've been marvelled at the amount of people that have so-called, you know, woken up, which is brilliant, but there's nothing new being spoken about at all. We're in Groundhog Day with all of it. You know, when you get into the deeper layers of things, you know, the wealth of knowledge of someone like Michael Tesarion, yeah? And DeJorda Maxwell's and all the rest of that world, you just need to listen to those guys for three or four hours. And you gotta stop for a moment and allow yourself to digest that possibly over the next week, yeah? Nobody wants to listen to that. And that is how genius, this psychic driving has created pseudo identities that we play into that we actually think that are our own, far fucking from it. And that's the hard part about this until you can actually look in the mirror and go, well, I need to accept that. And the moment you accept it, you're no longer giving power away to it. And then that's where, you know, whether people want to choose to do the work or ask bigger questions, there's many different pathways towards that. You know, it's massive. [Speaker 2] (1:01:55 - 1:02:18) Constantly assessing what actually is driving you, right? Like where, what is the motivating force behind, you know what I mean? Where I think I want to go or what I think I want or what I think I want to achieve. Is that really innate to me? Or, you know what I mean? Is that something that's implanted by me being so, you know what I mean? I guess lost in the forest, so to say, or so to speak. [Speaker 1] (1:02:19 - 1:03:30) Absolutely, man. Absolutely. You know, when, like today, you know, I still have a lot of conversations with many different people and all the rest of it. Like I love it. I get my kicks out of that, so to speak, looking at things very methodically, not just from an energy sense, but seeing where people are taking directions in their path. You know, the language that they use, but also the psychology that they're acting out and where that has actually come from. You know, what actually is that, which is fascinating, particularly at this time, because that really, there is the landmark upon, well, where are we headed next? And where we're headed next is psychological fallout. You know, with all of that, it's fucking massive in its scale. But getting back to what you said, that there is the toughest work to be able to do at the moment without having your inner bully and your inner critic want to fucking scold you and rip you apart. You know, it's in Carlos Castaneda's book. You know, we've been given our enemy's mind. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:03:31 - 1:03:32) The predator mind. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:03:32 - 1:04:25) Exactly right. You know, we're a predator inside of ourselves. And when we're doing that, we're unable to, it was what you were saying, we're unable to see what is further on down the line and put things in place, whatever they are, to then be able to position accordingly so that we are able to be a future version of ourselves that actually looks back and be proud of the tough decisions that we made. And the toughest decision is the first step. Well, that's always the hardest. You know, some would say it's the midway through the journey, but it's like the first part, the hardest part is the first step. You get that right, then the second step is not as hard, but it's almost there, which is how committed are you to it? Yeah. And then the next one is how far do you want to go with the momentum that you're building? [Speaker 2] (1:04:26 - 1:05:03) Yeah. Well, it does certainly feel to me as though we have like an opportunity here. It feels like on a macro level, like things are being compressed, which are kind of forcing people, it's a bit easier to see what the work is and what our shadow is and what that next step is that we need to address, that we need to face, that we need to clear in the inner realms to actually have that experience externally of having that space to be able to be more authentic and be real. I know for me personally, I mean, I've done more shadow work the last year. [Speaker 1] (1:05:03 - 1:05:39) Oh dude, you've been down there with Dante, man. Yeah, you've been down there with Dante, bro. And full respect, man. And the courage that that takes to go down there, we thought like, and I use that reference with old mate Dante, like it's not an easy thing to go down to the bellies of hell and you walk into the bar and old mate Dante is there with that look, just that look of like, here's a cup of your medicine today, mate. And you got to drink it and you got to look in that mirror and you got to go, fuck, I know it. [Speaker 2] (1:05:39 - 1:05:49) It's funny because until you know it, you think that it'll never catch up to you, right? And then once you know that it's always going to catch up to you, you're wary every single time. [Speaker 1] (1:05:50 - 1:06:52) Exactly right. You know, the path of awareness and coming into conscious awareness, it isn't all, you know, Kumbaya around fires and smoke in the Hopian. Yeah. You really have to be super vigilant and present in each perchance moment upon which way you're actually following yourself. Is it still from a free will capacity where you have the illusion of I'm creating what I want because of what exactly? Or are you moving in that place of divine will and allowing the mystery and great spirit to give you the signs, tokens, and allegory to give you that moment of like, I need to just stop for a moment and in recognise with what has just happened. And what has been revealed to me. [Speaker 2] (1:06:54 - 1:07:16) Yeah, man, we've been on this hamster wheel for the longest time. You mean this structure that's been given to us, the highways that have been built for us. You know what I mean? The pre-carved paths as Yerasimos and I have talked about before that just laid in straights of the abyss. So yeah, man, that's the thing, dude. And it's just such a rich story that you shared with us earlier on. [Speaker 3] (1:07:16 - 1:07:27) I love hearing the stories. I'm just sitting back. I'm just kicking back with my year for the truth mug. I'm like, hmm. I felt like I was having a castameter story. What happens in chapter seven, chapter eight, chapter nine? [Speaker 1] (1:07:27 - 1:07:59) You know, maybe that, you know, I'm happy to do that with you guys where we can just go into from, you know, 2012 right up until recent. I'll tell you now, I wrote a book two years ago about all of that. And this is what I mean too, yeah. Like I wrote it. It was all there. I was quite chuffed with myself. Obviously it needed some editing and all the rest of it. But once again, woke up one morning and was like, it's got to go. And then I fucking burnt it. [Speaker 3] (1:08:01 - 1:08:04) Wow. I got so much respect for that, man. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:08:04 - 1:08:57) But what that did, but that's what I mean. You know, I was fighting with myself for two hours with that, yeah. Like the things that came up with it, but I was at that stage, some would say I was a bit fucking delusional, but it was a very similar experience, which I didn't get onto before. When I got back from Peru, I had like fucking 20 grand worth of suits, yeah. I went and grabbed all my suits in the fire, mate. My mum's like, you've lost it. You've lost your fucking marbles. And I'm like, well, nothing's changed from when I was a kid, really. Just a captain extreme. And that's been my thing. And that's my learning at the moment, you know, is that I've played extremes, you know, like where it's extreme, you know, extreme Steve. And I'm really trying to find that balance out at the moment. [Speaker 2] (1:08:57 - 1:09:12) We all have different ways of being and dealing with that as well. You know what I mean? For me, I feel like I'm a kind of extreme guy as well. If I sense something, I just know I have to act on it immediately. And you know what I mean? I can't leave it dangling there because I'm just moving against myself if I do. [Speaker 1] (1:09:15 - 1:09:19) The aftermath of it's worse than actually doing it. You know, that's the thing. [Speaker 3] (1:09:20 - 1:10:21) Same here, this is what I find fascinating is like what causes a person to be someone who hears that voice or sees the symbol and goes, okay, I'm making a change in my life. Like you, you said it was a 2012 or whenever it was, you were like, fuck this, I'm out. I'm heading to Peru. Like, I remember when I left in 2008, just I left my job to just travel around the world. I took my savings. It was just something that came to me. And it was like, yep, that's it. That's what I'm doing. Fuck it, fuck all. There's no turning back. There was not like, well, maybe I should just stay for a little longer. It was like, no, I'm out. And then we'll see what the next thing brings. So I love people who are able to like have that experience and follow through on it. And make those choices. You're gonna make those choices. And go through, go through the journey. I mean, it's part of the hero's journey. I know it's cliche in a certain way, but it is that hero's journey where you make a decision, you go on that adventure and we'll see what happens. I mean, one day you're burning your backpack and walking through a Stargate or whatever it is. And then who knows what happens day two. [Speaker 1] (1:10:22 - 1:13:32) Yeah, for me, definitely the hero's journey. And for me, that there is really the path of that mystic experience. That there is the start of it. That there's something that has communicated to you from the unseen. You can't describe it. It's untangible. You just know. And you know that it's not something that you can fucking, oh yeah, I'll worry about that next week. It is that moment that you have of like, okay, the door is open. I have to walk through. And the moment that that door closes behind you, for me, that is that moment that you are no longer emanating the past into the future. You have a moment in the now to go, I am moving in a way that is more divine in its nature. There is other things that are happening here and your awareness opens up. And all of the juice is there, whether it's a shit show or whatever it unfolds. And generally it's years later that you come to that awareness and able to look back at it and go, that's what that was. Not trying to define the meaning or understanding in the times that it's unfolding. It's beautiful. I'll just finish off the book one, because I think you'll like it, mate. Because it was big. It was huge. Once again, it wasn't until probably about eight months ago that I knew why that book had to go. Was it, I'm sitting there, I'm like, but fuck, I've put the amount of hours and time and all the rest of this stuff and I'm fighting with myself. And then it was just like, just get it done. Okay, you know, fire, you know, I can rattle out, dancing, doing me thing, you know, what I do with the fire. And then the moment that it went in, the grief that ran through every cell of my being was massive. But what I knew there, that that was the opportunity that that journey that was closed for me then. That was the closing of that ritual, that ceremony that lasted so many years. It was done. It was solidified then. It was crystallized into the wisdom from that experience. And the grief that came up with it was my own codependency to that story. And it was now time to animate a new story. And I grieved, I grieved that, you know, and I see, it gave me an opportunity to understand what grief was really about, which then brought me back to what my original question was at my grandfather's funeral, that I was there. I was sad that I wouldn't get to see him again, but I had no emotion in my heart. You know, I wasn't really in that grieving state where that there, at that end of it, that's what I mean, it wasn't until later on, it was like, wow, man, that start, that question to get to here and all of that shit in between. Fuck, like, well, you know. [Speaker 2] (1:13:33 - 1:13:34) That's the thing, right? It's so hard to let go of our story. [Speaker 1] (1:13:35 - 1:14:12) He's writing that script, you know, that's the thing. You know, we could sit there and contemplate on that for hours, but until it's actually lived and you've gone through it, the appreciation of who you are and the characters that you are becoming rather than new identities that you are forming, it's big shit, you know? And that's why I love seeing those stories. Like what you were just saying there, bro, what is that? That there's, I could sit there for fucking the next five years around the fire, just listening to people's stories of like that and be mystified, just in bliss, wow. [Speaker 3] (1:14:13 - 1:15:00) And what is it about the individual that listens to that inner wisdom, that voice, the voice from beyond, whatever, and then those that do not or don't even hear the voice? I'm just fascinated by that process and whether that's something that goes back through many lifetimes. I don't know your views on that. If a person's soul is at a certain place. I'm just so curious, like what causes us to be having this conversation here? And then there's a bunch of people that are drinking a bunch of beers at the pub and talking about, you know, who won the game. You know, it's just, it's, I don't know. It's fascinating to me. So I was one of those guys too, you know, and it's- Yeah, same here. And I still occasionally will talk about- Yeah, same, same. But it's not what my life revolves around, you know, it's not the only thing I'm doing. [Speaker 1] (1:15:01 - 1:16:23) Yeah, it's, you know, and when you're in that as well, and that's what I mean, like I'm, you know, my drug these days is the thousand shades of gray, like those many different perceptions, perspectives, you know, the way that people are seeing things, like as much as it's the talk at the moment, or why won't the sheep wake up? But when you really look at it and you're like, yeah, they're consumed by fear, but it's like, have they actually made any of their own decisions throughout their whole life? And that's sad, you know, that hurts my heart a bit. It's like, fuck, like, you know, did they ever give themselves the opportunity to not do what someone said, don't do, you know? And that's really the bedrock that we're playing with now. What I feel is that there are those that have bucked the trend and activated that spark that was within them, or at least touched it once in their life, you know, had an intuitive moment, had a, I seen a ghost, or I seen like something that is outside of the periphery area of this made manifest world with the systems of domination and control. There's a questioning, there's a, I need to know that a little bit more. [Speaker 2] (1:16:24 - 1:16:24) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:16:24 - 1:16:44) And that's brilliant. It's just, for me, the paradox at the moment is many have gone down this conspiratorial path, which is a huge process in, you know, a huge pathway as well in the path of awakening, but the ego loves that too. You know, like, oh, I know, I know. [Speaker 3] (1:16:44 - 1:16:44) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:16:45 - 1:18:01) You are still in that place of belief. Like you are typing something into Google that is telling you something. You are taking that on as a new version of what you think it is. It's nothing, nothing too dissimilar to the hot chick who used to wear mini skirts and drink vodka to having a revelation moment to now wearing yoga pants and drinking smoothies. Wow. You know, in, you know, it's no different. It's a near fit. Yeah, it's, you know, those paradoxes upon, oh yeah, the process of change, but what are you really changing? Are you just changing costumes? Are you just changing identities? Seeing something that you've seen on television that you're going to purchase with your own energy and commitment? Or actually going to commit to going, yeah, there's some boardroom discussions in my head that I need to figure out that, yeah. Who are these people running these games of inside the ways that I perceive and create reality? You know, that's- Yeah, I want to ask you something. [Speaker 2] (1:18:02 - 1:18:11) There seems to be like a big awakening from the Christianity side of things, right? [Speaker 1] (1:18:11 - 1:18:12) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:18:12 - 1:18:14) Revelation, revelation playing out. [Speaker 1] (1:18:14 - 1:18:15) You got me with that, yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:18:16 - 1:18:35) You know, the mark of the beast being the vaccine, et cetera, et cetera. Now you and I are both obviously students of astrotheology, but what is your perspective on why that seems to be playing out in such a similar way as written? [Speaker 1] (1:18:37 - 1:18:50) Because we have fanatical groups from the backside system that this is their script and that there is their view of how to construct reality to play that out. [Speaker 2] (1:18:51 - 1:18:59) Yeah, so from your perspective, would then revelation just be another method of psychic driving? [Speaker 1] (1:19:00 - 1:19:53) It's the original mind control. The original, well, not the original, but you know, people like a really good one is just type in Bible codes. Yeah, just with the Torah, Bible codes. And you will see that there and there are things in that that you'll go, holy shit. How is it that within the Hebrew language, you can see things throughout history that are running in very specific patterns through the Torah? Like it is an AI interface system that these backside individuals have the knowledge and know the magic to be able to create very specific events and characters to roll out into the front side to garner the energy and the focus to be able to break these events. [Speaker 2] (1:19:54 - 1:20:05) Yeah, so it's like the biggest story, right? Within, we're in a small story within a bigger story kind of thing, which are kind of being coerced into playing out or into taking part in. [Speaker 1] (1:20:06 - 1:20:56) Absolutely, like we're hearing at the moment, you know, disclosure and alien stuff, yeah? Well, yeah, blue beam, but for me, it's well, fucking roll out the second coming. Yeah, right. You reckon that's coming? That fits the script, yeah? Like many folks that have awoken, that they've jumped onto the Bible, which is great. It's merely a book. You just need to have a look at Babylonian sun worship and what the Vatican has gone and done with the holy days and all the rest of that. Hello, it's all there for the astute student to have a look at. We are playing out a game where history is repeating itself continually. It's the same cycles, the same characters, just different themes. [Speaker 2] (1:20:57 - 1:22:14) I've got a quote here. Yeah, go for it. So the first one is by Madam Helena Blatsky. She says, the compilers of the Old Testament knew well that the language of the initiates in the days of Moses was identical with that of the Egyptian hierophants. And the second quote is, there is nothing holy about the Bible, nor is it the word of God. It was not written by God-inspired saints, but by power-seeking priests. Who but priests consider sin the paramount issue? Who but priests write volumes of religious rites and rituals? No one, but for these priestly scribes, sin and rituals were imperatives. Their purpose was to found an awe-inspiring religion. By this intellectual tyranny, they sought to gain control, and they achieved it. By 400 BC, they were the masters of ancient Israel. For such a great project, they needed a theme, a framework, and this they found in the creation law of more knowledgeable races. This they commandeered and perverted. The natural to the supernatural, the truth to error. The Bible is, we assert, but priest-perverted cosmology. And that's by Lloyd Graham, Myths and Deceptions of the Bible. [Speaker 1] (1:22:16 - 1:24:24) Perfect, and that's the reality of it. You know, we are witnessing at the moment black sun groups, dragon families, covens, and all the rest of it jostling for their right to create the next thing that then the so-called right, R-I-T-E, to claim dominion of the next thing, but haven't been able to get what they've needed to do in relation to all of those things. You know, like I said months ago, you know, this period between March and August is gonna be very interesting because we're outside of time. You're seeing more and more of the biblical stuff kind of play out. It's like, well, you know, you've got black sun groups and all the rest of this stuff that are orchestrating events and you've got priests and so-called the new prophets that are continually sitting there, you know, giving sermons of spelt words into those that continually give their authority over to other people to tell them how to think from that perspective. And that if anything is outside of that, it is evil and bad. You know, it's, I've had many over the years, I've had many conversations with born again Christians and all the rest of it. You know, for me, I always be, I'd be a bit of a smart ass with it. You know, I don't be, you know, argumentative, but I do be a smart ass. I do say, open up the Bible, go to Genesis 1.26. Can you read that out aloud to me? When it says, let us make man in our image, like our likeness. And what God is the one who wrote this book. And yet in Genesis 1.26, it clearly states, our, you know, the God that you are saying that has written this book has to do with Anu, period. You know, Marduk, period. You know, Enlil, period. Enki, period. You know, and these types of characters, whether it's all true or not. [Speaker 2] (1:24:24 - 1:24:30) Do you consider these characters as actual beings or would they be a deeper scent, deeper form of astro-theology? [Speaker 1] (1:24:31 - 1:25:47) All of it. You know, and you know this as well, man. You're a beautiful student. It's astro-theology that governs this reality, not just this reality, but you know, it's the science. It is the true religion of the universe. You know, the energy of planets and the invocations of those energies that are instilled into that. But when we have a mind control device that has imprinted so much information into people's minds that they then broadcast subconsciously and all the rest of it, it is only symbols and the different slangs in words that are able to broadcast those signals and have these priests that are able to utilize invocations and other magics to therefore create those perchance moments of opportunity that we've been talking about in this discussion, that they see their opening of, you know, you just need to have a look at the Iraq war and look at that of astro-theology. You know, shock and awe when that first bomb hit, where that, what that was actually going on with astro-theology. I think I'd have to have a look at it, but I think it was for Nimrod. [Speaker 2] (1:25:47 - 1:25:48) Wow. [Speaker 1] (1:25:48 - 1:25:57) You know, which is part of these covens of who they actually worship to, with Moloch and all the rest of that stuff. [Speaker 3] (1:25:57 - 1:25:57) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:25:57 - 1:27:49) So a lot of these events have an astro-theology tie into them, the same as 9-11 as well. You can go throughout history and see all of that, all of it, you know, and you're like, okay. And even the Bible is, you know, with revelations, you know, for the initiate of astro-theology, it is an astro-theology script that if you know that and understand some backside systems, you go to look, well, this actually looks like a script for the future for certain priests to continually go down the line and see a script of what they actually need to insert and what they need to play with. And that's the thing with Luciferians as well is, you know, I've sat down there and I'll say this now, I've sat and I've had conversations with Satanists and I've had conversations with Luciferian. The Satanists I've sat with, I didn't even want to know if they're into the kid stuff or anything like that. For me, I wanted to sit there and gather how they mind work, like where is their genius in all the rest of that. I always found it fascinating with the Luciferians because they really live in that thousand shades of gray. Do I agree with the way they go about it? No, but it's hard to argue with what their terminology is. And very simply, it is this. If the toilet sign wasn't over there, most of these people would poo and wet themselves. They have no comprehension of what actually is going on. Therefore, they're not even initiated with their own mind. So they need to be led. They need to come to their own, you know, thing. [Speaker 2] (1:27:50 - 1:27:57) Well, it's basically the concept that you have to, there has to be some work that needs to be done for you to, you know what I mean, step into anything deeper or further. [Speaker 1] (1:27:58 - 1:28:31) And I'll say this because it was pre-COVID, had a conversation with this man. Another one, like people might get upset, but I've been witness to him, okay? He'd done this very wealthy man, by the way. A kid was, I think, 13 years old, had George Orwell's book. He wrote him a five grand check, just gave it to him. Love that. Go buy some more books, son, he says. [Speaker 3] (1:28:36 - 1:28:39) Yeah. And was this the Satanist or the Luciferian? [Speaker 1] (1:28:39 - 1:28:40) It is the Luciferian. [Speaker 3] (1:28:40 - 1:28:41) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:28:41 - 1:30:03) Yeah. You know, for him, he's very, very Machiavellian, you know, like that is the way that I would consider him. Obviously, there's many of them out there, particularly evil and all the rest of it. But for him, he just, he says it makes him vomit in his mouth, people that don't actually comprehend like anything, you know, they're there to be led. They, like everything they know about anything is that they haven't done anything. Like you sit there and go into that. Where my mind was going with that wasn't kind, but I think people can gather that. When I sat down with him before COVID really hit, very interesting conversation with things. And that's where, you know, I, once again, my reactive nature of things wanted to jump out and debate, but I had to listen. And I'm like, I can't argue with that. And his thing is, is because I was speaking to him about, I was like, look, I think some shit's going to go down and all the rest of it. He's like, oh, absolutely. Because you know, there's many things that need to play out. He goes, but it'll be those that play the game. That'll be left alone. [Speaker 3] (1:30:07 - 1:30:10) Meaning those that are led, those that follow the rules. [Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:55) Those that follow the script and stuff like that, that go on, like they're essentially consenting and choosing to go and have that experience. But even now, yeah, as much as it looks all dire and all the rest of it, if you position yourself accordingly and play the game, there's always a pathway through. Yeah. And in their motto is that's to be respected. That in their thing, like there's an honouring of that. There is like, okay, you think, you can, you know. Well played. I will respect you. I will welcome you to the game of chess and let's have a game. [Speaker 3] (1:30:56 - 1:30:59) So when you say position accordingly, what do you mean by that? [Speaker 1] (1:31:00 - 1:34:58) Okay, good question. And you know, I've been banging on this for about a year. Position accordingly. Like I see a lot of people at the moment in relation to rights, yeah, R-I-G-H-T-S. And people are jumping up and down and all the rest of it. Yeah, I know my rights, all the rest of it, but they're still coming in from a place of anger. And we're in a system that has no remedy. Like there are no common law courts and all the rest of it. You can yell and scream and do whatever, but you're still feeding the so-called beast, so to speak. But when you know them and be like, I will exercise them in the way that I go about my example, but also my rights is in R-I-T-E-S. What it is that I do to keep myself centered, how to keep myself clear, how to actually look at things without needing to respond, seeing them for what they are and being able to see the game. And therefore me choosing through my tactical analysis on my strategy, which way I'm going to play, which is the path of least resistance and which battles do I want to choose to get involved in? Because everybody at the moment wants to go and fight 20 battles at one time. You're never going to win anything. You're just going to be depleted. And when that time comes for your perchance moment, you're not going to see it. You're too invested into the game of thrones that's going on. Yeah, so position accordingly. What is it that you're doing in like, how are you eating? You know, how, or just the very simple things that give the temple of you being this body, the resonance to be able to house more and more of the different parts and pieces of yourself that exist throughout time. And how is that actually filtering through? Like I've done my thing with the courts. Yeah, like I'd done the whole sovereign thing back in 2012. Took on the banks and all the rest of it. I know where that ends. Basically jail, like there is no remedy at all, nothing. You know, I've been lucky. I've had QCs that I've shown all of the fraud to, and they have looked and been like, wow, didn't even know. And these QCs are retired. They've been in that game fucking 40 something years. And you show them that, that if I'd have gone to them as a conspiracy theorist, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'd went through all that and then like, well, you tell me, man, here all this shit is. There's no remedy there. Where there is remedy, if I'm well look, I know my rights, but I also know the people that are enforcing them are reapers of souls that are tied to the temple bar, you know, blacks law, which is tied to the Vatican. You know, all of this is a magical realm. Do you wanna continually consent to that magic and continually play in the good versus evil game or be in the thousand shades of gray, see it for what it is and be able to make very strategic analysis upon where you can actually position and be as honest with yourself as possible to not get caught up in any entanglements and all the rest of it. You know, there's a saying of like, you know, there's, you know, walk away from a fight. Well, I agree with that to a degree, but we're at this time now where it's not so much walk away, but it's to stop for a moment, see it for what it is and be like, is this actually worth my time and energy? And where's that best invested? Exactly right. You know, like it's at that time now where you can shoot by the talk, by the repeated word spell of the marketplace and be led by many different things. Like a synopsis that I'll give you now, which is happening all over the world is the so-called thing of bug outs. Had a conversation a week and a half ago, someone rang me and like, oh, you know, you wanna be a part of this community or whatnot. I'm like, okay, well tell me the skills that you guys have. Crickets mate. [Speaker 3] (1:34:59 - 1:34:59) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:34:59 - 1:35:07) I'm like, so you're gonna have what, 30 people there? Who's the hunter? You know, who knows how to do these types of things? No one did. So good luck with that. [Speaker 3] (1:35:07 - 1:35:10) Oh, you said bug outs? Is that the term? [Speaker 1] (1:35:10 - 1:35:12) People are like, oh, let's go to bug outs. And you know. [Speaker 3] (1:35:12 - 1:35:15) Oh, let's buy a piece of land and start some community farming. [Speaker 1] (1:35:15 - 1:35:59) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of the people that are doing that, awesome. You know, like I know I've tried a couple of times. I still have some work to do to be able to survive more than fucking four days in nature with nothing but a blade and a bow. But I know that if I had say two other people with me to feed them and all the rest of it, like that's some serious business. I know people that can do that. And they know like max, they're like, yeah, I could do it with five people tops. But to feed five people and the personalities and you know, all the rest of those types of things, the idea of, oh yeah, let's just have a fucking community of 20 people moving to the same place. Like, it doesn't work. So I'm like, show me a place in the world where that has worked. [Speaker 2] (1:36:00 - 1:36:18) What do you see coming though? If they lock down the entire system with, you know what I mean, having to be vaxxed to participate in any part of it, to even be in the cities, to even be connected to the grid, is there a breakaway civilization down the timeline? It's happening now. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:36:20 - 1:37:01) In what way? Because what I'm seeing is this, like, I don't know what you call it, bifurcation. Like there's a path of people going one way, waking up a little bit more. Obviously there's different levels and gradations of to what degree they're waking up. Obviously some of the things you're speaking about now for a lot of people, it's just like WTF, you know? But let's say people are like, hey, I'm not getting a fucking vaccine. Like, I'm not letting you know what's going on in my body. Like, you know, I don't want the government telling me what they're doing. There's some fucked up shit going on in the world. And there's people that are just like, I'm vaccinated and healthy. I'm doing the right thing. I'm such a good person. I don't want your grandma to die. Woo-hoo. You know what I mean? Like, what's gonna happen? Again, not that you have a crystal ball, but like, what do you think? [Speaker 1] (1:37:01 - 1:37:38) Well, you can see, you don't need to have the crystal ball, you know, being able to see that. The breakaway civilization is actually having a look at things and going, do I actually need these systems that are being presented to me as a token? These systems of domination control are falling in on their own way. You know, you're watching the last breaths of it fall apart. The trick of it is going to be, what is going to replace it? You know, even from like the white hat side of things at the moment, oh yes, quantum financial system, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, all the things. Well, it's just fucking one thing replacing the other. Like, who's in control of that? Oh, it's the white hats. [Speaker 3] (1:37:38 - 1:37:39) Really? [Speaker 1] (1:37:39 - 1:39:31) Like, I'm down with all of that shit. Like, see those types of things. The breakaway is going to be those that grow their own food again and are not reliant upon any other system of authority other than themselves, yeah? That have the resourcefulness and the intelligence to be able to look at things very methodically and go, okay, I have a problem. I'm going to find a solution. Rather than, oh, I've got a problem. I'm going to tell you what to do. I'm going to yell and scream. You know, like we're at a place right now where we know this for a fact, okay? System of domination control is falling apart, okay? We're being told that there's new systems here and all the rest of it. I see a huge collapse with many different things and there's many opportunities, yeah? For those that will play out that. But there's still so many people that are yelling and screaming upon, we need to fix this. You cannot fix a fixed system that was always designed to do what it is doing. It has never had your interest at heart. Everything is reversed and everything is inverted in it. So therefore having the thinking that you want to try and fix it or you want to try and expose it and all the rest of it, you are giving your energy away once again to breaking down something. And that system with its reverses and its inversions, I loves that, just loves it. Let's keep bringing it in because then the magicians with their words can just keep on spinning it against like what's going on at the moment, all the censorship and all the rest and just antagonizing gaslight. And it's just this cycle of feeding. And then you've got others or the,